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Revolution 30 January 2011

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, DC Politics, Egypt, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Pan Arab Revolt - 2011.
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A protester stands in front of a burning barricade

A protester stands in front of a burning barricade in Cairo   [REUTERS via UK Telegraph]

No question, it is one.

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1. mattes - 30 January 2011

Schumer wants a secular government in Egypt. But the “jewish” state is okay?

marisacat - 30 January 2011

:lol:

All I ask is that Madeleine Albright not chime in. Zbig this am on some channel ws enough! (I’ve compromised!)

mattes - 30 January 2011

Friedman: Israel should close the deal on Palestine now.

Ya, think?

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 January 2011

Jeebus, Indyk and Haas … why not just knit together things they’ve said before? Those two are such broken records on Zakaria’s show.

marisacat - 30 January 2011

All the old gargoyles, juggling.

3. mattes - 30 January 2011

Where are Baker n’ Kissinger? I think they even might be more interesting.

4. marisacat - 30 January 2011

I am so glad it is about something other than idiot fundy-ism. (I just don’t think all that many muslims, to say nothing of secular Arabs, give a flying fuck about the depiction of Mohammed)

IMO leave the people alone – both sides, Israel, Saudi and the US — stop paying the fucking fundies to make noise, come out, bomb things etc.

Let people find their way.

mattes - 30 January 2011

It’s obvious most demonstrators are not fundies, as when it was time to pray, most stayed standing.

marisacat - 30 January 2011

oh clearly… this is not an islamist uprising.

LOL Nor a Southern Baptist one…

Thanks be….

brinn - 30 January 2011

Yeah! Like I said to my mom last night as we were talking about this, they’re not “Islamists” or “terrorists” or any other monolithic stereotype, they’re people and they’re fucking pissed off as shit!

marisacat - 30 January 2011

yes, people are people… and as much as fundamentalism is a problem, our,s theirs, Israel’s, all of it, it is just a slice of what is happening.

Forget what channel I was watching, it may have been AJ, but a street protestor in English, called for a global Arab unity, a pan arab coming together.

Nasser must be smiling…. broadly.

5. marisacat - 30 January 2011

Of course Bruce Reidel, a CIA guy, retired now iirc, has been an advisor to ObRama… and stood on the podium stage with Obby 4 times, as he (that would be Obby) pronounced on the wars.

Reidel has stated that the British did not lose in Afghanistan and neither will we.

Typical clueless idiot…
:lol:

Angry Arab:

Bruce Riedel: a Zionist who knows it all

Read what I have written about this guy before. I recently mocked him because he posed as an expert of North Africa. Today in the Times, he is promoted as an expert on Egypt, when the Obama administration has used his services as a foremost expert on…Pakistan. Tomorrow, Bruce Riedel will pose as an expert of China. (Of course, he knows no Arabic or Urdu or Punjabi, but is conversant in English).

Posted by As’ad at 11:07 AM

Angry A linked back to this at the NYT an Eliz Bumiller [gah] article, quoting Riedel, Indyk, Mullen, Hillary and the like.

hey maybe Miss Maddy and James Baker are terminal somwhere… ;)

6. catnip - 30 January 2011

This can’t go on for too long. It’s pissing off Wall Street.

marisacat - 30 January 2011

Well it is not just the tear gas that is Made in the USA, but the tanks, the stun grenades and who knows what else. Prolly our planes sold to Egypt are flying low over Tahrir Sq… and wherever else..

I think we have been unmasked, more than usual, even with hideous wars going.

catnip - 30 January 2011

How many Americans care though? When Israel last tried to bomb Lebanon back into the Stone Age, sponsored by the US, there just seemed to be a collective shrug. Scary brown people and all of that…

marisacat - 30 January 2011

oh it is only in cities…. the protests in solidarity I mean.

Well I think Gaza War and the most recent attack on Lebanon, 2007 (the war in which Hexbollah and Nasrallah fought back against a flabby IDF)? did sharpen some sensibilities in the US. It is not an accepted response however in the USA USA media.

But it is there.

One of the worst pro Israel, pro war (tho he masks as selectively for or against wars) has tried to push the “But the Alternative is the Muslim Brotherhood” on KGO, which is tightly aligned to the Democratic machine here… and it is falling flat. Masses of calls against his talking points.

And i have seen that grow over the past 3 years.

I am unsure how much the american people even matter. Much is decided outside the US now. Thankfully.

7. mattes - 30 January 2011
mattes - 30 January 2011

Egypt doesn’t need our foreign aid…all they need, is to start collecting a nice tarif on oil going through the Suez canal, and up the charge on the gas going into Israel.

catnip - 30 January 2011

I reposted that at The Big Conflicted Orange Place. ;)

mattes - 30 January 2011

You whippersnapper you! :)

Damn, wish I could blog over there again.

…I got banned when I was beginning to realize and post, Israel NEVER had intentions of negociating any kind of peace. As soon as Hamas opened the door to 1967 borders, the bombing started.

They wanted the whole pie.

8. catnip - 30 January 2011

ElBaradei:

Amidst reports that Egypt’s opposition groups are conducting talks to form a unity government, ElBaradei spoke to CNN earlier Sunday, saying that he had a popular and political mandate to negotiate the creation of a national unity government.

“I have been authorized — mandated — by the people who organized these demonstrations and many other parties to agree on a national unity government,” he told CNN.

“I hope that I will be in touch soon with the army and we need to work together. The army is part of Egypt,” the opposition leader added.

Hmmm…I have to wonder if that isn’t just bluster. Impossible to know in the midst of what’s going on.

marisacat - 30 January 2011

oh that is wishful thinking on his part… he wants to be selected by the US.

But I doubt it would fly inside Eqypt, not right now….. they know he lives in Paris and earlier in Vienna … irrc his daughter has gone all thru school in France.

marisacat - 30 January 2011

Speaking of Nasser (a comment of mine up somewhere… )

Nasser and Aljazeera

If Jamal `Abd-un-Nasir has Aljazeera at his disposal, the entire Arab world would have been under his rule–and with the full support of the people.

Posted by As’ad at 12:03 PM

9. mattes - 30 January 2011

Judeo/Christians/IMF/Central Bankers worst fears: “we’re all Eqyptians now”.
:)

mattes - 30 January 2011

…oh, let me add the Islamic fundies, too.

10. mattes - 30 January 2011
11. marisacat - 30 January 2011

Thank god for photography…. snicker

SMBIVA has photos of Suleiman and El Baradei with either Sharon and or Bibi

12. marisacat - 30 January 2011

Geesh. Poor Hillary.

Clinton and Obama really heart Mubarak

““[W]e do not want to send any message about backing forward or backing back,” she said.

“What we’re trying to do is to help clear the air so that those who remain in power, starting with President Mubarak, with his new vice president, with the new prime minister, will begin a process of reaching out, of creating a dialogue that will bring in peaceful activists and representatives of civil society to, you know, plan a way forward that will meet the legitimate grievances of the Egyptian people.” (thanks Hussein)

Posted by As’ad at 8:47 AM

Can she fall further…”backing forward or backing back”

Yikes. Good luck girlie.

13. diane - 30 January 2011

I’m so heartened by the human connection in misr (“Egypt”), I’m speechless ……….

diane - 30 January 2011

Loved this, I heard yesterday (passed on, as it were …)

…fuck’em all but six …the six that’ll carry my coffin …after they do that …fuck them to …….

anonymous from NO, Louisiana

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 January 2011
marisacat - 30 January 2011

Angry Arab had an entry that at the headquarters in PA of the producer of the tear gas, they fly the Israeli flag.

marisacat - 30 January 2011

Thisw seems related:

Aljazeera versus Israeli TV

Sabah Ayyub of Al-Akhbar is noting that Mubarak banned aljazeera but Israeli TV stations are allowed to broadcast live from Cairo–although they don’t dare meet the people.

Posted by As’ad at 2:20 PM

He links back to al akhbar, which is only in Arabic sadly.

15. marisacat - 30 January 2011

Jesus… at least one pretzel will say it:

Carter says ‘people have decided’ in Egypt: report

AFP – ‎23 minutes ago‎

WASHINGTON — Former US president Jimmy Carter, who brokered the existing peace agreement between Israel and Egypt, predicted Sunday that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak will have to resign because “the people have decided,” a report said.

“The United States wants Mubarak to stay in power, but the people have decided,” said the 86-year-old Carter, calling the unprecedented protests “earthshaking.”

And then of course he scrooz it:

Carter said Mubarak has become corrupt over his 30 years in power, but praised Mubarak’s newly appointed vice president, Omar Suleiman: “He’s an intelligent man whom I like very much.”

diane - 30 January 2011

Carter …praised Mubarak’s newly appointed vice president, Omar Suleiman

no wonder Carter’s ’bro,’ Billy, stayed loaded… publicly pissin’ all over everything he could find ……

(this may be a duplicate post, my dial up connection cut out while posting (and yeah,…in my wee opinion, I’m positive dial up has been on “their” hit list …. for quite the time))

diane - 30 January 2011

yup …lil billy peanut ………….

marisacat - 30 January 2011

Billy ws probably the “balance” to the fundi sister — not that Carter was not fundi enough. He was.

diane - 30 January 2011

I’m blanking on his sis hon …my memory banks are overloaded recently (sigh, TS …. (tramatic stress) …hope it’s a temp thang…..)

diane - 30 January 2011

ohhh, just shoot me, to all the fuckin’ pedantic, clueless bastards and bitches out there lurking, …for leaving out the fuckin YOU in traumatic …..

:0)

diane - 30 January 2011

…Ruth …, not worth remembering

indeed, ….not to disrespect “Ruth” ….but, why are the ‘citizens’ expected to pay remembrance, and RESPECT, to the lives, and families, of our ‘public servants’ (oops sorry, read: MASTERS, versus servants),… yet neglect our own remembrance of those we’ve loved: ……..those who were actually there for us, in a very tangible, and intangible way? …. quite unlike our “Public Servants” ……

marisacat - 30 January 2011

well I do both. And just because I have good memory doesn’t mean that I ever respected any of them.

I threw my hands in the air when Carter cut off hard liquor in the WH, he wanted to cut WINE as well, but somebody stopped him. Lunatic!

And i laughed like hell when Billy C locked himself and his retinue inside a series of rooms at their hotel in Libya and drank like a fish. Loved it!

Harvey Milk found a way to make fun of Ruth C to her face when she was here with Carter (she was known to be virulently anti gay)… I lvoed that.

marisacat - 30 January 2011

His sister Ruth… hey, not worth remembering.

16. BooHooHooMan - 30 January 2011

Remember
St Gabby of the Unavailable Box Set Video?

No, still unavailable. No Box Set, yet, tho SHE’s Literally In There, we’re told.

Well. CNN just carried the Detroit Police precinct shooting in detail, right down to the guy hopping the counter, multiple angles of multiple shots showing who got hit, who hid under what desk and who didn’t, right down to the final frames of the assailant standing over and firing a shotgun at a cop heroically scrambling on the floor for dear life.

Just sayin.

marisacat - 30 January 2011

I think at least one version of the Detroit bullet spray is online.

marisacat - 30 January 2011

BTW, Dennis Perrin has, in one of his perambulations about open mic NYC stand up comedy, a GREAT joke about the Parking Lot Princess (the whole scene actually). Delivered by an old friend of his… LOL to GASPS in the audience.

Love it when it hits.

BooHooHooMan - 30 January 2011

Definitely.

Dennis Perrin, really a good dude, “Stand up guy” comes to mind when thinking of him, certainly regarding character OR creation of his craft, and most most certainly his seeking to build both..

So I don’t think he has anything to worry about, certainly not being a Dad, loving his kid, showing his son by example how to LIVE.

Not to mention what he’s shown the lucky rest of us. And SOo NTIM I think, but I’m glad he’s out of the clubs. For now. Or whatever will come next with Dennis. Cuz you just know, as long as he’s around, come what may:
it’s gonna be good.

17. marisacat - 30 January 2011

New

LINK

…………….. 8)


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