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Straw Polls 13 August 2011

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, India, Lie Down Fall Down Dems, Sex / Reproductive Health, Total fucking lunatics.
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New Delhi, India: An Indian Muslim girl waits for noon prayers to begin at the Jama Masjid mosque [Kevin Frayer/AP]

hmm… for the moment, she is allowed to be a turquoise flower… soon enough the black robing will get slapped on her.

Ah, religion.  Succor of the masses.

On the same issue, USA!! USA!! style…I see reports around that the entrance of Perry, The Hair from Texas, means that the “culture wars are back”.

They were gone?

Somebody believed that blither last year from Mitch Daniels? Something something about setting aside the social issues?

Yeah right, as if they OR the Fucking Democrats ever planned to do that.

Take a moment and feel the cement hardening around us.

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1. marisacat - 13 August 2011

speaking of religion… moiv sent me this… admittedly from the Daily Mail which can get nutty… but ………….

She sent this one too… YIKES

[H]uman rights have been no more than a pretext for liberal elite lawyers to pursue a radical anti-authority agenda, and are now both loathed and discredited here. They have many faults, but their worst is that they provide the basis for an unending stream of claims for compensation which make decisive government and the exercise of authority almost impossible, and which gravely hamper large areas of business as well.

The laws permitting ‘no-win, no-fee’ lawsuits should be repealed. Such lawsuits, pursued by unscrupulous and socially irresponsible lawyers, have intimidated and paralysed every major public body, through their fear of punitive compensation awards.

Rigour and order should be reintroduced into the state schools. Comprehensive and child-centred education has failed and has been a giant betrayal of the poor.

It should not be necessary to pay fees of many thousands of pounds a year, or to live in privileged and sequestered areas, to have male teachers at primary level, ordered classrooms, desks in rows, times tables chanted, reading taught by traditional and effective methods, the punishment of the disruptive and the pursuit of knowledge under the guidance of authority. This stupid, wasteful injustice must end. . . . .

Read more: 50 Years of Carrot Time for the Stick Now

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 August 2011

ah, fascism & overt authoritarianism … so comforting in times of stress.

2. BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2011

Well we know where this one’s goin’.
Prolly to the White House, now.
With 90% of the DEMOCRATIC male vote.

As revered pictures come down in traditional Donk homes everywhere.
Fuck.
Tthe prized Barry “Staring Off, Like, Into The Future or Something”??
Poof – First to go,
Sorry sacred JFK portrait!
Sorry grainy FDR profile over the mantle!

As pushing and shoving occurs within the home.
A Shame.
And after BarackO spent all that time sucking white male het- dick.

BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2011

…I see reports around that the entrance of Perry, The Hair from Texas, means that the “culture wars are back”.
They were gone? -Mcat

All wrapped in a corndog here.
NTIM, the jokes write themselves,
But an peasy prediction tho: Nasty.
Nope. But ALL the Dem carneys will be RIDING Corndog.
Hump Hump Humping And holding on.
Like… its… ah, an issue.
Barry’s minders will not touch the Christo-Fascism, tho!
How can they? After presenting Barry Christian Orphanage Foundling ahem necessarilily ridng white Jesus dick… for political “advantage”.

I don’t have TV now where I’m at but any bets on the MSNBC line-up over the next few? :roll: . …..CornDog!

BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2011

cutting and pasting error.., the ” Nope.But ALL ” was supposed to go before Barry’s minders…

Anyways, :oops: :roll: :crondog: etc…

3. BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2011

Brrreaking! :roll:
Pawlenty had plently. Out
…as sleeper mullet cells stand down… and re-align.

marisacat - 14 August 2011

Seems he had the belly but no fire.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 August 2011

if the culture wars are back, can those of us on the putative left start fighting back now, please?

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 August 2011
6. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 August 2011
marisacat - 14 August 2011

So many people want the wars ended for a wide range of reasons… but it’s clear they won’t b. Interesting to watch where this takes us… if anywhere at all

brinn - 14 August 2011

NINTH?!?

…..

I am left speechless by this really….

marisacat - 14 August 2011

oh but brinn dear, they send them into the battlefield medcated… so it’s OK… really it is.

I recently read, since there is little hard news on the wars, on the battlefield much less just “in country” reporting, and on the long term injuries mental and otherwise, not lik under Bush… but I recently read, I believe in the WSJ, that the top two meds given to soldiers over there, not as after care but when they are on the battlefield, is Xanax and Cymbalta. And with soldiers finagling and getting masses more than is prescribed.

God Bless America and Her Wars of Greed and Horror.

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 August 2011

Hard to believe, isn’t it?

diane - 14 August 2011

Come on now, WTF? …. don’t you understand, its part of the Stimulus Algorithm, … Gainful Employment! …our benefactors in DC realize that the MIC’s grunts will be hard put to find a job in the UZ, with that Post Traumatic Stress goin’ on, so out of the kindness of their hearts (no really… nothing to do with Wall Street, and MIC Masters of the Universe), our dear Bipartisan Public Servants send them back, over, and over, and over , and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again ….. I mean ya wouldn’t want that unemployment disaster like all those: served their country, …. but still, to this day, homeless Viet Nam Vets …would you?

;0(

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 August 2011

Why “business needs certainty” is destructive

So why this finger pointing at intrusive regulations, particularly since they are mysteriously absent? For instance, Dodd Frank is being water down in the process of detailed rulemaking, and the famed Obamacare actually enriches Big Pharma and the health insurers.

The problem with the “blame the government” canard is that it does not stand up to scrutiny. The pattern businesses are trying to blame on the authorities, that they aren’t hiring and investing due to intrusive interference, was in fact deeply entrenched before the crisis and was rampant during the corporate friendly Bush era. I wrote about it back in 2005 for the Conference Board’s magazine.

In simple form, this pattern resulted from the toxic combination of short-termism among investors and an irrational focus on unaudited corporate quarterly earnings announcements and stock-price-related executive pay, which became a fixture in the early 1990s. I called the pattern “corporate dysmorphia”, since like body builders preparing for contests, major corporations go to unnatural extremes to make themselves look good for their quarterly announcements.

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 August 2011

The problem is that the “certainty” language reveals what the real game is, which is certainty in top executive pay at the expense of the health of the enterprise, and ultimately, the economy as a whole. Cutting costs is as easy way to produce profits, since the certainty of a good return on your “investment” is high. By contrast, doing what capitalists of legend are supposed to do, find ways to serve customer better by producing better or novel products, is much harder and involves taking real chances and dealing with very real odds of disappointing results. Even though we like to celebrate Apple, all too many companies have shunned that path of finding other easier ways to burnish their bottom lines. and it has become even more extreme. Companies have managed to achieve record profits in a verging-on-recession setting.

Indeed, the bigger problem they face is that they have played their cost-focused business paradigm out. You can’t grow an economy on cost cutting unless you have offsetting factors in play, such as an export led growth strategy, or an ever rising fiscal deficit, or a falling household saving rate that has not yet reached zero, or some basis for an investment spending boom. But if you go down the list, and check off each item for the US, you will see they have exhausted the possibilities. The only one that could in theory operate is having consumers go back on a borrowing spree. But with unemployment as high as it is and many families desperately trying to recover from losses in the biggest item on their personal balance sheet, their home, that seems highly unlikely. Game over for the cost cutting strategy.

And contrary to their assertions, just as they’ve managed to pursue self-limiting, risk avoidant corporate strategies on a large scale, so too have they sought to use government and regulation to shield themselves from risk.

marisacat - 14 August 2011

you know, a few years ago I did not have all that much hope for GG… but I was wrong. I had thought he might turn into a sort of better Ezra Klein, with a law degree…

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 August 2011

Getting out of the US seems to be helpful, and he links to and posts other very interesting folks.

marisacat - 14 August 2011

well we see where it all goes when the R firm up a nom. How many tuck their tails in and come out for ob.

Pepe Escobar is in Brazil as well… and he humped for Slobby in 2008… or course now it is nice to write expostory pieces about Ob… but we see soon enough where he lands.

I have not been able to stand Norman SOlomon for years (he is right here, over in Marin) but he has already plighted his troth with Beloved. Very disgustingly several times over the past week on KGO (he is running for the House seat Woolsey is vacating).

Disgusting, ALL OF THEM. Every last one. Ultimately.

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 August 2011
marisacat - 14 August 2011

A couple of cops have called into to one of the hours done on this mess recently and wow… what shits. Basically how dare anyone get in their way or photograph them. Mostly they hold off (exposing themselves so clearly), but these lately… ugh.

I have read a piece by a defense atty locally, that cops constantly “fiddle” with the cameras on their cop cars or elsewhere. Too often in court it ends up there is no really viable working tape vid, whatever the word, made of a contentious event.

ONE good thing at the moment, the Public Defender that has gone up against the City pension system for cops and firemen and others at the top of the heap… AND gone against dirty cops, once he had security vids in hand from a SRO in our ‘Tenderloin” district, not really a skid row but a cross section area with many legal issues (I leave it at that, comes closest to what the district is) and he has woven into it what individual cops on vids committing crimes make… in one case a plain clothes vice cop stealing from poor people he NAMED and said he makes 228,000 a year.


Anyway he threw his hat in the ring for mayor right at the deadline shortly before 5 pm on Friday
. God help me I am going to vote for him… we have “ranked voting” and I want the guy appointed to Mayor after Gavin did a fashion run way walk to Sacto to be Lt Gov… I want Ed Lee, a horrible hack, out.

marisacat - 14 August 2011

by the way, our PD Jeff Adachi made the doc on Asian males depicted in US films… The Slanted Screen….

I see various criticisms of it at Netflix and IMDB… and I think there must be two versions, the DVD released at 60 minutes… and a longer viersion that I have seen… as some of the criticisms as o what is left out make no sense according to the version I saw…

diane - 14 August 2011

From the above, a few other things you’ve mentioned about him, and some things I read when I still had a subscription to the San Francisco Chronicle, … I’m really loving Jeff Adachi, wish I lived in San Francisco, to vote for him.

marisacat - 14 August 2011

well with ranked voting t seems there is a slight chance for change… ti is how Jean Quan got in over in Oakland as mayor… she understood how it worked (I don’t, really) and part of her campaign instructed people in how to use it. As if Oakland NEEDED fuckign Dan Peralta from the state lege. Who has done, as I see it, everything that gets you landed in prison. But has not gone to prison.

So we shall see… Anything to get rid of Ed Lee.

diane - 14 August 2011

I listened to Pat’s KGO show regarding photos of the police, arrests of people on their own fucking property.

I’d love to hear her address people being detained for taking photos of companies, as is mentioned in Madman’s link.

And yeah, as he noted: totally fucking screwed ….

marisacat - 14 August 2011

I only caught part of her show on that, I fell asleep… Someone they have in on Saturday afternoons – cannot hink of his name at the moment, did a coupel of hours on it yesterday… which is when I heard the cops calling in. Gah…

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 August 2011

The hardcore authoritarians feel really empowered by recent events, and seem to sense that a fair number of people will back them.

Not that cops have been held really accountable ever, but the meager attempts to rein them in seem to have only made them more belligerant.

marisacat - 14 August 2011

well it is one reason to vote for Adachi … think it will be coming up soon, but not sure of the date…

And the “ranked choice” voting MAY have been put in as it is harder to game. I don’t really understand it… but over in Oakland, Peralta got the highest number of votes, but Jean Quan got far more placing her EITHER first, second or third, in the ranked choice voting.

I can vote for Adachi for No 1 slot, the current City Atty Dennis Herrera for No 2… and figure out who to vote for as number 3

So shoving this Dem party hack Ed Lee in, m i g h t be harder than they think.

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 August 2011

I hope it works out … someone who wants to rein the cops in would be a real blessing.

marisacat - 14 August 2011

I am even going to manage to get to the voting booth… because over the past few years, I think they just throw out the absentee votes… AND I did know, already, from a lot of information that came out around 2000 Florida, that absentee votes are figured at a number mutually DECIDED UPON and only opened and individually counted if there is a dispute… among other things they do.

9. marisacat - 14 August 2011

Jeepers. Just making an effort ot tour the Nooz…

Gallup: Obama job rating sinks below 40% for first time
Los Angeles Times – Michael A. Memoli – ‎3 hours ago‎

President Obama’s summer woes have dragged his approval rating to an all-time low, sinking below 40% for the first time in Gallup’s daily tracking poll. New data posted Sunday shows that 39% of Americans approve of Obama’s job … Obama approval rating dips below 40%

USA Today – David Jackson – ‎1 hour ago

President Obama hit a dubious milestone today, sinking below a 40% approval rating in the Gallup daily tracking poll. Only 39% of respondents approve of Obama’s job performance in today’s Gallup survey, which calculates a … President’s Approval Hits New Low

Daily Beast – ‎18 minutes ago

At least 39 percent of Americans still believe in hope and change. The Gallup Poll’s rolling average of the president’s approval rating hit an all-time low Sunday, with only 39 percent of the public giving Obama the thumbs up. Our commander-in-chief’s …

Just a smattering from Google Snooz

Now imo, Gallup is just the leader by most known name of the polling scammers… but they sure lead chatter… and chattering classes. Well!!… the sooner they are off to the Vineyard, the better.

BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2011

It will be a scream to watch the Donks on the Hill desert him. They are really facing a wipeout. Aside from my own POV , (Fuck em all™ ), I don’t think people can be scared anymore over who gets in. I think it’s really into “Anybody But” Obama territory now. Certainly for Independents.

marisacat - 14 August 2011

In a sick twisted way, it is a hoot.

I was saying this am, if Perry somehow wins… the Dems will dance for joy, assuming that every single solitary weak kneed little Liberal mouse will crawl home to Black Foundling… and the Dems will be doing Victory Laps in August of 2012.

And MAY VERY WELL LOSE.

As Axe strategises from Venus… or whever ever the idiot hangs (he does so badly on TV, they should keep him off it).. and Ob continues to fall flat on his big ears.. and so on. But Victory Laps WILL be taken early!!!!

Yesireee.

brinn - 14 August 2011

Oh yeah, Perry in the White House will be a scream and a half — unfortunately, those of us her in Texas who watched the rest of idjut nation elect Dubya to the WH will suffer much the same fate as we did back in 2000 when the gov’s manse was left to Goodhair…we’ll get Dewhurst as Gov…

screwed and fuck ‘em all…..

marisacat - 14 August 2011

well I think the Democrats engineered Jan Brewer to the governor’s office in AZ, when they moved idiot whatshername from governor to Homeland Big Sis…

Or, when we had a tolerable (tho I never voted for him in my life, not once, not even back in the late 70s) Governor Grey Davis… and imo both the R AND the Democrats were part and parcel of the engineering of the Recall and election. BOTH brought in Arnold.

10. marisacat - 14 August 2011

wow.. tho less shocking, when you think about the weeks of MESS we watched.

The Fukushima Daiichi Reactors Were in Meltdown After the Earthquake, But Before the Tsunami Hit

TEPCO’s Darkest Secret

By DAVID McNEILL and JAKE ADELSTEIN

It is one of the mysteries of Japan’s ongoing nuclear crisis: How much damage did the March 11 earthquake do to the Fukushima Daiichi reactors before the tsunami hit? The stakes are high: If the quake structurally compromised the plant and the safety of its nuclear fuel, then every other similar reactor in Japan will have to be reviewed and possibly shut down. With virtually all of Japan’s 54 reactors either offline (35) or scheduled for shutdown by next April, the issue of structural safety looms over the decision to restart every one in the months and years after.

The key question for operator Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) and its regulators to answer is this: How much damage was inflicted on the Daiichi plant before the first tsunami reached the plant roughly 40 minutes after the earthquake? TEPCO and the Japanese government are hardly reliable adjudicators in this controversy. “There has been no meltdown,” top government spokesman Edano Yukio famously repeated in the days after March 11. “It was an unforeseeable disaster,” Tepco’s then President Shimizu Masataka improbably said later. As we now know, meltdown was already occurring even as Edano spoke. And far from being unforeseeable, the disaster had been repeatedly forewarned. . . . . .

brinn - 14 August 2011

With all due respect to Jane’s Addiction:

nothing’s shocking

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 August 2011

AND it never matters when they’ve been caught stealing.

11. BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2011

Tired old white “liberal”, Al Hunt.

Bachmann ‘Real Deal’ Isn’t Reagan-Style Compromise: Albert Hunt

Incontinent lapdog. Democratic groveler. Reaganite.
Obama booster. Typical.

marisacat - 14 August 2011

Ages ago I did one of my overheated little pirouettes about Obby in an email to Madman… (pre blood pressure medicine, of course) and he said, what he really is Marisa is the Manager that gets sent in in a LBO, he is the “take over manager”..

Yup… shorter and more to the point than my blather. Oh we are so skreweeedd.

Madman in the Marketplace - 14 August 2011

well, my distillation was merely another step in the strong brew you provided me!
:)

diane - 14 August 2011

A Leveraged Buy Out indeed, …rancid buttah…….

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 August 2011
marisacat - 14 August 2011

yeah .. I think they could have done better with it. Get to the peronnel pages of the top people… supposedly they FIRST tried to hack BART.gov which is a main site… but then had to make do with what they COULD hack. Instead they released personal information of BART ticket buyers and riders…

sigh.

At least there is reaction here to the censoring that BART did, by shutting off their cell service to the undergrounds… and it was to several transit stations…

marisacat - 14 August 2011

ooo the weekend guy from 7 to 10 is fighting with people over it… first call up… what a laugh!!

I am enjoying it…

13. BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2011

On, forgive me, … DK.

Canary in the Coal Mine: Gallup has Obama at 39%

On the upside, I would just say that while the canary unfortunately is dead, President Parakeet flies to the Vinyard and the mining will continue,… don’t forget it’s a “clean coal” mine.

Anyways, on to the gassed Diarist’s pointed conclusion.
His own emphasis in wrapping it up, BTW….

What is President Obama’s plan?

As bobswern wrote this morning, the administration hasn’t quite figured that out yet.
::
The Republicans have a plan. It’s a batshit crazy plan based on counter-factual thinking and a devout faith in the church of tax cuts. But its a plan.

Where is President Obama’s?

:lol: Obama needs a PLAN! WE need a PLAN!
They have a PLAN! Why can’t we have a Plan!
Oh fer fuck;s sake.
I got a~ PLAN.
Shoot shoot shoot shoot SHOOT. Shoot.
Whoa! There goes a few more! Shoot SHOOT

My God, man! It’s all in the follow through! :wink:

marisacat - 14 August 2011

I think Obby needs a PLANE… ONE OUTTA TOWN.

14. BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2011
marisacat - 14 August 2011

but they liked and applauded what BART did in shutting the cell access at the stations

BooHooHooMan - 15 August 2011

And after the Chinaman did such wonders for rail transport in this country. I wonder what went wrong with their embrace of Capitalism over there. ‘course they left out Jeebus. Mighta helped out if they rethought the whole authoritarian oppression thing.

Oh we’re swimmin in it, all right, I’m just splashin around..
Hard not to get run over by various brokers out for a summer sail showing off their aircraft carriers.

Theirs…… Don’t forget US!

Etc…. Why can’t WE have a PLAN?!!? etc.
Just swimmin in it. News of the whirled. :wink:

15. BooHooHooMan - 14 August 2011

Herman Cain’s Cinderella story appears to have been cut short.

The man who captivated voters and reporters around the country for the first few months of the presidential campaign finished fifth in Saturday’s straw poll, demonstrating just how far he’s fallen — and how far short he is of having grassroots or organizational support to mount a viable run. With Rick Perry declared, Michele Bachmann coming out of Ames in strong shape and Mitt Romney picking up the pace of his front runner campaign, Cain’s set to end this weekend as a campaign afterthought.

Gotta love the call. Tho I might put it a little differently….

Out of the gates, it’s JesusVagina by a length, Tex-A-Cutioner and Tabernacle Choir coming on now – Santorum on the rails -
and Token NegroHH! –
OH! – - DOWN in the turf.!

Just another at the races, another night at the Opera…

marisacat - 14 August 2011

Didn’t he get 4%?.. wll that should cheer Obby up… a lot lower than his approvals!!

BooHooHooHooMan - 15 August 2011

Yes @ 4%.- Somewhere around the new Hourly rate of Decline in the stock market.

16. diane - 14 August 2011

I loved Karel’s response to Rosie about welfare, if you were tuned in hon, speaking of which, if I didn’t have family here, and spoke German ..I’m thinking I would love to move to Germany at this point, just to live somewhere where the public servants had a clue that the welfare of the citizens is what they were elected to safeguard.

Is the guilt and shame of a Holocaust really what needs to happen in order for a country to do the right thing? How fucking hideous, bloody and shameful.

marisacat - 14 August 2011

No Germans were into public welfare long before the Holocaust.

diane - 14 August 2011

I wasn’t aware of that. I wonder what then made the German government turn so hideous … first against its own citizens who refused fascism, and then against a targeted group of scapegoats.

marisacat - 14 August 2011

well if you go back adn read of the massive public housing built under Roosevelt………….. same thing here.

Clinton broke the back of what was left of the policy. Under he and his wife the old law of replacing units one for one was ended. I am not an idiot to think it was always observed and followed, but at least the rule was there.

Gone. And we saw what happened in NO, they got rid of the people, many of them, that they wanted to be rid of. A lot of the intact housing that was shut down, that had been built under Roosevelt….

Blacks and whites together did that.

Out here, they are just waiting, hoping for an earthquake on the Hayward fault, that will be big enough, but not TOO big! to bulldoze the flatlands of Oakland and parts of Berkeley. Implement the NO plan.

diane - 15 August 2011

… they are just waiting, hoping for an earthquake on the Hayward fault, that will be big enough, but not TOO big! to bulldoze the flatlands of Oakland and parts of Berkeley. Implement the NO plan.

yeah, and East Palo Alto, East Menlo Park, Richmond, etc…. seems so.

17. BooHooHooMan - 15 August 2011

Hunh. I thought we won that war –
er, Wait a minute. Didn’t Obama end it?

Wave of Attacks in Iraq Leaves at Least 57 Dead

BAGHDAD — Insurgents across Iraq launched their most significant and wide-ranging attacks in months on Monday, using suicide bombers, car bombs and gunmen to attack Iraqi security forces and civilians.

At least 57 people were killed in the attacks and over 100 wounded.

Coming a little less than two weeks after the Iraqi government said it would negotiate with the United States about keeping some of its 48,000 troops here after the end of the year, the violence raised significant questions about the capabilities of the Iraqi security forces

At least it’s not like , uhm, which war was that?
The one you know where it got offensive and all with mass insurgency and they eliminated collaborators and were running over secure compounds and shooting down our helicopters and while we were winning the god-damn thing? One of those Wars. Maybe a couple. Are they allowed to even do this in August? Don’t they get, like…..VACATION?

The violence touched nearly every region of the country, except for Kurdistan, and appeared to be targeted at both Sunni and Shiite areas.

The most lethal attack occurred in the city of Kut, south of Baghdad, where a series of explosions inside the city’s main market around 8 a.m. killed 35 people and wounded 71, according to a local security official.

Obama’s “Got This”, right?

marisacat - 15 August 2011

I think he is working on lowering the oceans in Iowa today. Iraq might have to wait – in line. But hey, free glass of cheap wine as you wait!

Busy bee overseer. Why is it he is so disliked? I just don’t understand it!

BooHooHooMan - 15 August 2011

Give him Time! Or something appropriate …
for a war criminal.

BooHooHooMan - 15 August 2011

A sordid history of what has been perpetrated UPON Kut. Frankly, who knows if “insugents” are behind the latest slaughter.

Much of the town of Kut was destroyed during World War I. During World War I Turkey was a German ally, and thus an enemy of the British. The British campaign against the Turks in Iraq 1914-1918 included the seige of Kut. The British advance into central Iraq was delayed for a time by their defeat at Kut, when the garrison under General Townsend surrendered unconditionally to the Turks on 29th April 1916 after a siege lasting 140 days. Despite the setback at Kut, described as “the most abject capitulation in Britain’s military history,” the British campaign in Mesopotamia continued. General Maude captured Kut in February 1917, entering Baghdad on 11th March. A number of British soldiers are buried in the Commonwealth War Graves Commission’s Kut War Cemetery in Iraq.

The Kut barrage (completed 1939) diverts water into irrigation channels. Upon completion in early 1943 of a rail spur from Kut al Imara to Ba’quba, the Khanaqin Lift consisted of barge from Basra to Kut al Imara, rail from there to Khanaqin, and road to Tabriz.

In 1996 Russia and China signed deals to tap Iraqi oil fields, with few objections by the United States, presumably because both said they would respect the UN embargo. Russia will develop the West Qurna oil field, Iraq’s largest oil pool. China will concentrate on the Ahdab field near Kut, also in oil-rich southern Iraq.

There is an extensive log of military actions that follows, from once cozy Clintonian “no- fly” deals to rather, shall we say, uncooperative Iranian backed militia. . A couple things are clear. Russia and China have oil holdings there. Russia, China, and Iran, well, get along. And most Iraqis ehm, how do you put it? Don’t like us?
Yeh, this should be another American success story.

marisacat - 15 August 2011

The British advance into central Iraq was delayed for a time by their defeat at Kut, when the garrison under General Townsend surrendered unconditionally to the Turks on 29th April 1916 after a siege lasting 140 days

Apparently, Kut is historically a big turning point in any ground invasion… so I would guess leveling it similar to Falluja is recommended.

BooHooHooMan - 15 August 2011

:wink: Which allows us, like Falluja,
to win the Battle AND the War – AGAIN!

The recapture of the city itself proved to be largely a success :shock: for U.S. forces, with a large number of local insurgent fighters being killed, and the momentum the Sunni rebellion had gained from controlling the city being dashed in the face of overwhelming U.S. firepower. Furthermore, al-Qaeda’s foothold in Iraq had been seriously degraded, even though its leader Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi managed to escape. Insurgent elements almost immediately began to attempt to re-group their power base in the city, with limited success.

Nevertheless :oops: the battle proved to be less than the decisive engagement that the U.S. military had hoped for. :cry: Some of the nonlocal insurgents were believed to have fled before the military assault along with Zarqawi, leaving mostly local militants behind. Subsequent U.S. military operations against insurgent positions were ineffective at drawing out insurgents into another open battle, and by September 2006 the situation had deteriorated to the point that the Al-Anbar province that contained Fallujah was reported to be in total insurgent control by the U.S. Marine Corps, with the exception of only pacified Fallujah, but now with an insurgent-plagued Ramadi[57][58]

After the U.S. military operation of November 2004, the number of insurgent attacks gradually increased in and around the city, and although news reports were often few and far between, several reports of IED attacks on Iraqi troops were reported in the press. Most notable of these attacks was a suicide car bomb attack on 23 June 2005 on a convoy that killed 6 Marines. Thirteen other Marines were injured in the attack. However, fourteen months later insurgents were again able to operate in large numbers.

And AGAIN!

A third…

A THIRD?

and ultimately successful push ..

ANOTHER WIN!
! Thanks, Pentagon Bloggers on WikiPedia!

…was mounted from September 2006 and lasting until mid-January 2007. Tactics developed in what has been called the “Third Battle of Fallujah,” when applied on a larger scale in Ramadi and the surrounding area led to what became known as “the Great Sunni Awakening.” :oops:

Obviously,Obvously – another DECISIVE WIN! GO USA!!

After four years of bitter fighting, Fallujah was turned over to the Iraqi Forces and Iraqi Provincial Authority during the Fall of 2007.

So screwed.

marisacat - 15 August 2011

At some point… either in the run up to war or the early months… kind of a blur now… I went back and read re read of the many Battles for Grosny. Grozny. It fell. Rose, fell again. A bit of time passed, fell again. Fell…. fell….

On and on it goes, where it ends…. in a bloody heap of bodies and fetid bandages, spent bullets, burning cars. Streaming colored tracers from ordnance… ringing, blasting bombs… Children’s toys strewn about. Lame dogs wandering thru it all. Flies. Rats.

BooHooHooMan - 15 August 2011

{wiping froth from beard now.} Thing is, – and I have no illusions how this affects people everywhere under the boots of their respective regimes, but we really are seeing a rather poor showing eh from a long line of rather dull US PTB. Oh they got theirs , I know the deal, and NTIM in benefitting people, afterall, here a serf there a serf etc. But fer fuck’s sake, :shock: :lol: , I’m being facetious now, even with a mild hobbyist interest in the global strategy game they might make a better show of it.

BooHooHooMan - 15 August 2011

Maybe Al Hunt or one of the Blog Boys can work us up something on the need for Nixonian Democrats. We’ll find our way somehow. This is America.

marisacat - 15 August 2011

I think it is all about Reagan. As sadly so much still is. Fucker died, was buried like a pharoah and still we have to hear about him. And the wife. And the three surviving children. At least Maureen checked out.

marisacat - 15 August 2011

oh AND, when it is not all about Reagan (have a jelly bean, you will feel so much better about things!) then it is about Israel.

SImple….

marisacat - 15 August 2011

yeah but. I think this is being played out, mess that it is, just as they want it. It’s a long term in country occupation… Brute force…. that will play out over 50 years. Or however long they can bleed this nation’s people for war….

So they just make itinerant mayhem inside the country… For every service man or woman who comes home derailed from human life and mentally ill from what they saw and or did… there are a few others who enjoyed it.

And it keeps selling testing using armaments on the battle field. Drugs on the battlefield. Think of all the data Cymbalta is writing up from being dispensed willy nilly to battlefield soldiers. And we deliver opened (raped) free markets to allmanner of other countries… and IMO we then serve as a global paramilitary for hire… to the Russians if need be. To the Chinese fer shure. To the Indians, absolutely. Both China nd India are in Afghanistan building major works… Russia will be included in any big deals that require all partakers be on hand. They FEEL they have a fought-for stake in Afghanistan.

I figure Pakistan is fucked up but also in a fight for its life. Etc…

And we get to play out the old slave patroller games, which a good few of the service people REALLY get into… low levels of all colors. Which is what the Vaunted Heros Be Still My Beating Heart 38 or whatever they were, were about.

So you know click those Army boot heels together, toss Toto from the plane and go out kill a few on the night raids. They way home is thru Never rNever Land. Or Oz. Which ever we land on first. And we will fight to the death to defend… yada yada.

BooHooHooMan - 15 August 2011

I agree. As big a picture there is. I think there is some ironic element tho for US PTB and Zionists relative to those they’re training- .In their ways.

No illusions tho, no revolution here around the corner. For one, given the illusion of some cohesive nation states as is.
Advantage to the Splitters.

marisacat - 15 August 2011

I dunno. Iraq and Af-Pak seem like South Lebanon, writ large. Really really large.

Seems to be the plan. Rampant rogue militaries… bad, lousy, 4th rate generals hailed as leaders. McChrystal? Oh please. They fired him for show and NOW they bring in both he and the wifette, into the WH basically. Petraeus? ugh. Same deal in Israel. Fat lumps of grease that are in the deal to kill and get on the armaments band wagon. Rabbis ministering to blessing the weapons on the battlefield. Here we sprinkle Holy Wa Wa, Blessed Sprinkle from Whomever! over everything.

Geesh.

We are so skerwed.

18. marisacat - 15 August 2011

Nu

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