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Freedom 6 November 2011

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, California / Pacific Coast, Greece, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Iran, Occupy Wall Street, UK, Viva La Revolucion!.
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A placard between tents at the encampment [Dan Kitwood/Getty Images]

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I hardly ever drop in on the NYT anymore… but I did follow a link in the previous thread and so saw a guest op/ed from Sarah Shourd, one of the three hikers held in Iran… When she, Bauer and Fattal came to Occupy Oakland about two weeks ago, they mentioned they support also the hunger strike that had spread thru Cali prisons over solitary confinement… and I DO see signs at OOcc about prisons, prisoners and incarceration….

[A]fter two months with next to no human contact, my mind began to slip. Some days, I heard phantom footsteps coming down the hall. I spent large portions of my days crouched down on all fours by a small slit in the door, listening. In the periphery of my vision, I began to see flashing lights, only to jerk my head around to find that nothing was there. More than once, I beat at the walls until my knuckles bled and cried myself into a state of exhaustion. At one point, I heard someone screaming, and it wasn’t until I felt the hands of one of the friendlier guards on my face, trying to revive me, that I realized the screams were my own.

Of the 14 and a half months, or 9,840 hours, I was held as a political hostage at Evin prison in Tehran, I spent 9,495 of them in solitary confinement. When I was released just over a year ago, I was shocked to find out that the United Nations Convention Against Torture, one of the few conventions the United States has ratified, does not mention solitary confinement. I learned that there are untold numbers of prisoners around the world in solitary, including an estimated 20,000 to 25,000 in the United States. According to the United Nations’ special rapporteur on torture, Juan Méndez, the practice appears to be “growing and diversifying in its use and severity.”

Amy Fettig at the American Civil Liberties Union told me: “In the U.S. we use solitary as a routine prison administrative practice. It’s not something that’s used as a last recourse, as it should be.” Last summer, prisoners at Pelican Bay prison in California went on a hunger strike to end the practice of isolating some prisoners for more than 22 hours a day. The strike spread until thousands of prisoners were participating. Only when officials agreed to review the use of solitary confinement did the prisoners accept food.   . . . . .

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No shock really… even a nominally Leftischer party must fall.

Agreement reached on Greek unity government

Greece’s two main political parties reached an agreement Sunday evening to form a unity government, giving Europe a steadier partner as it works to avert a larger financial crisis on the continent.

Prime Minister George Papandreou will resign after the new government is formed, officials said, although the timing, and his successor, remained unclear.

Read more at:
WashPo, Washing the Nooz Daily    What else is new.

I’ll say it again, shut down the Port of Piraeus.

:roll:

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1. marisacat - 6 November 2011

ugh… speaking of Sandusky, Paterno and the Penn State manner of protecting children…

moiv sent around the Wapo which has th text of the Grand Jury findings.

marisacat - 6 November 2011

I see the charge is 40 counts.

Looks like Paterno cut a deal. Shorter version from BI

Paterno will not be charged with a crime, and will actually testify against Sandusky at trial, according to the Harrisburg Patriot-News.

Read more: Link

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 November 2011
3. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 November 2011
4. marisacat - 6 November 2011

So… he is the Banksters’ Community Organizer?

(snicker)

I see the point person at BI who defends Slob is on it!!

marisacat - 6 November 2011

Speaking of the banks… this had slipped by me, seems under Slob JPMorgan administers the Food Stamp program… or at least the electronic card system.

AND is outsourcing the call center to India. My own guess, Slob’s mother would be proud.

Today it all seems far too far gone to ever re-wind.

marisacat - 6 November 2011

Speaking of poverty and bullshite… I landed on this Tom Dispatch piece by Frances Fox Piven of CUNY who has writen on poverty and the US and so on fo decades… I gather she is given new life in that Beck campaigns against her.

But like so many, she must learn the word O B A M A. Don’t worry, it’s all been congress and the Rs.

She has a lot of trouble mentioning him. OH it is going to be a very boring frustrating year.

brinn - 7 November 2011

And unemployment too — though I don’t get any anymore, when I first went on in ’09, I was absolutely flabbergasted that the state of Texas has given Chase the “debit card” control over my UI check! For almost 14 months, I didn’t even have the option of having a check mailed to me OR direct deposit! It was NUTS! I made sure that I never incurred one penny of their fucking fees, but I was terribly pissed off the entire time that they were even allowed to CHARGE them in the first place! Texas finally got on the damned stick, and for the last 10 months I was still earning UI, I had direct deposit, but for fuck’s sake….

It never ends this shit.

marisacat - 7 November 2011

It should just be direct deposit to the account of your choice. Nothing else should be permitted. But we live in the land of unregulated “Pay Day Loans” so …. it follows the whole thing is corrupt.

5. marisacat - 7 November 2011

:lol:

Nothing stands still… you know either way there will be tears and hankies.

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

Verdict Reached in the Trial of Dr. Conrad Murray [2:02 p.m. ET]

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 November 2011
marisacat - 7 November 2011

I found out tonight that Occupy has a TV site. OccupyTV.org I think htey said.

Local news is playing film of a protester who was shot from a police line, about 20+ feet away with nothing in between them, with a rubber bullet – which they got off the site…. I am not sure what he could be doing but refusing to disperse or elevating the flying finger of fate.

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 November 2011
8. BooHooHooMan - 8 November 2011

Well the “graduate assistant” at Penn State who witnessed and did nothing to stop Sandusky raping a child in the shower, was not only a Penn State football player – no scrawny kid – he got a promotion and is now in fact a Penn State coach AND their recruiting co-ordinator…
Howdya like them apples?
” Come play with ‘the Legends’ ” and all that the pitch no doubt.

And the guys name?…………….. Welp…….
Mike
*wait for it*
McQueary

Oh not to judgggggge- who judges anymore? – but from the looks of his VERY unfortunate pic up on the Wikii now, I’m gonna go out on a limb here – Oya – he’s definitely Irish Catholic.

marisacat - 8 November 2011

And Paterno is what?

Fucking Italian Catholic? And was in charge, short of the administrators that are now charged iwth perjury….and whatever else. PLUS he is lying like a dog now. APPALLING.

Nobody did anything.

I see that some R rep has asked Sec of Ed to look into it… I have no faith in the “system” as such… but of course it should be investigated at the highest levels…

BooHooHooMan - 8 November 2011

Well Penn State’s CFO was hauled in repeatedly to the Grand Jury about it , the upshot for him that he was indicted for perjury and sacked.. Which hardly begs the question : Why would a money guy be involved? Pretty clear Paterno and the franchise handlers paid the underling off with a job and they all shut up about it. . –

FWIW the PA AG says :roll: the investigation continues and other charges likely… (Not holding my breath) All the papers are calling for Paterno to go now, the University canceled his regular weekly presser, and the reports are that “an announcement” is coming soon although Paterno’s kid – who is also a coach – is saying that his Dad is “preparing for a game” :roll: I guess so…

I bet they are all hoping Sandusky just blows his own head off.
No doubt $panier and bookie/ football-ape Rendell are
The kind of money involved – more money than a number of the Pro teams – all that merchandising – not to mention the gigundo stadium and highway work and the Stroll Down Memory Lane alumni and corporate condo developments, classic pig-kin write-offs for subsidized entertainment – Jesus H Halfback Christ, on game days, State College is said to swell to the most populous city in the state other than Philly.. WELL It’s what they’ve used for years to justify all the highway ,airport, and infrastructure expansions and “vital” bond issues anyways…

Let’s not forget the drinking, sex, and drug trades either!
Party School it is.
All that loot from the selling thru the finesto the incarceration and/or the “rehabilitation”…
This is Higher Education in America afterall.
A Good thing they prolly don’t have any real vice tho,
like, you know,
throwing games and GAMBLING. Not at Penn State!

Well…. Val P , married that nice Ambassador fellah mixed up in that aluminum tube thing – Valerie was up there back in the day.
And it’s all gone to shit since then when you could get waived in to the reactor building and get stoned and veg out to the glowing blue core in the shimmering waters below…

marisacat - 8 November 2011

Who saw to it that Sandusky was still using the premises as recently as last week?

Who has a monument to him on the campus that identifies him as a

Educator
Coach
Humanitarian

?

I think the graduate assistant should have broken it up – absolutely no question. Stop it, right there.. BUT I have no idea how nasty, how horrible the mess that is college sports hierarchy is. (Becaue thanks be to Jesus, I never cared about sports, any sports, but esp stadium sports, ever… at any level… well… then again, I like x country bycicling… and night skiing, I should amend – watching it – NOT doing it)

NO ONE did anything. It took a mother to call foul in 2009.

AND Paterno is STILL lying. Still. I did see that the State Patriot had a FP editorial calling on him to leave. Geesh t least.

BooHooHooMan - 8 November 2011

Paterno knew, no question. I remember when Sandusky “retired” in 1999 B.D. (Before Diapers in my life) I remember it very clearly ..Now there is a whole lot of jock strappy that goes along with it, – which I’ll spare you all from most of it – anyways he “retires” … And I, like other Bread and Circus mouth-breathers at the time,was all like Huh?

Alas, when Poppy Bush was gettin all Saddamy and Teh Clinton was about to be brought down upon us, what follows here was no small part of shop-talk in Pennsylvania ..

The college game is changing.
God Florida has all these niggers!
Niggers don’t like to play up in the mountains.
Damn those niggers can throw a football!
Thank God Paterno is still all “LineBacker U” with Sandusky and grinds it out the running game.
Fuck that! We need more niggers!

And this, mind you, was while scrubbing cases in an O.R.
Suffice it to say, I eventually moved to New Jersey.

Anyways , This guy played for Paterno, started coaching for him right after he graduated in 1965 and the two of them rode it all the way up, up up, towards Most wins in College Coaching EVAH.

So Sandusky’s Retiring? Really? Hmm. ,even then, sorts like myself wondered,,, In his early fifties? Slated to take over whenever Paterno retires? With all sorts of Head Coach, pardon the expression in retrospect – With write-you-own-ticket offers frequently reported on Sandusky from other NCAA and NFL teams? .

The guy had the “Charity” set up in 1977. And reading the indictment, the first known assaults on Victims 4 thru 7 were from 1995 thru 1999 , State College Police were notified, then the DA quashed the case. And boom – Sandusky..Retires? Really

The indictment also spells out how in 1998 one of his Victims reported he was upset that Paterno said he was not going to succeed him. Like what’s that about after all those years? Paterno and knew, he knows if kids get a speeding ticket. Which leads me to believe he figured they’d move him off the payroll officially and retain his coaching services otherwise like he never left. Who gets to keep an office have access to motor pool and expense accounts as part of their severance? Paterno knew, definitely.
Anybody in a fight, a DUI, hell, jaywalking in that program he gets a call fro the Police or the D.A….

In retrospect it’s also clear that Sandusky never took those golden offers all those years. He had enough limelight for his ego and… the perfect cover If he took a higher profile job, starting over in another college town or the NFL, all eyes on him, devoid of a boss and Admin to cover for him. Also clear how the decades long polishing of Paterno and Penn State’s “clean-cut” “old school” image polished ever more carefully as the years went on…also clear how that fits in to it too. They were all clued in.

marisacat - 8 November 2011

They were all clued in.

I think that is often how it is, not just with pedophilia but with any long, ongoing criminal scheme. A lot are in on it. Maybe more than just knowing.

Paterno looks like very rot gut Italian, the son too.

If i were a mother, it would hard not to exercise a mass killing.

9. marisacat - 8 November 2011

I have to say between the crew at Penn State, none of whom I had even heard of before this all broke with the coaches pedophilia…. and Cain and a few other things going on right now, I am a pig in clover… I LOVE public collapse, mismanaged collapse, failing false narratives, flop sweat, cold sweat and so on.

Go for it!!

Woman who accused Herman Cain of harassment in the 1990s wants to go public

One of the women who accused GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain of sexual harassment in the 1990s said she wants to go public now that her name has been revealed and hold a joint news conference with all of the women who claim to have been harassed by Cain.

Treasury Department employee Karen Kraushaar said she never wanted her name to be made public as an accuser of presidential hopeful Herman Cain. But on Tuesday, she said she is ready to go before cameras after a news outlet published her name. …

BooHooHooMan - 8 November 2011

The Gloria Allred factor is in play now.
Gergen next. Ben Ginsberg maybe. Possibly Dershowitz..
I’m thinkin Kissinger will eventually have to weigh in to sort it all out. Just so ya know the viewiing line-up. Cuz this ain’t no Ron Christie/ Geraldo/ Nancy Grace kinda deal.

No, no – not Cain! -
I’m still talkin about Penn State for Gawd’s sake!
Once Gloria shows up on TV – – ANYWHERE – – :lol: it sets in motion a whole series of events from which there is no return.

marisacat - 8 November 2011

oh Obama will be calling in soon. Since he is Business Lackey ‘n Chief.

People get all twisted up over Gloria. She runs a business.

Like people get all twisted up over Paris Hilton. She runs a business.

marisacat - 8 November 2011

Daddy! Daddy! Daddy! And the refrain is DADDY! DADDY! DADDY!

Reminds me of Nikki Giovanni on Charlie Rose after VTech. She read her Rally To the Cause poems dedicated to Vtech. I nearly threw up.

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2011
marisacat - 8 November 2011

all of our “after event” assessments, official reports, either internal or hiring an outside entity to assess, reports have come down hard on the systems in place, or how systems were abused. From the shooting of the 4 cops in Oakland, to Oscar Grant before that… to Jay Cee Dugard… and so on.

What happens ………………………………………………………………………………….. one of those keep breathing things.

marisacat - 8 November 2011

ugh I don’t know if you have seen the film of the second Iraq vet… it is appalling. The cops (or rather the sheriff dept of Alameda who run the jail) state that HE DID SO get medical care in the jail.

The film shows him crawling in pain (he eventually had surgery for internal bleeding and spleen injury) on the floor and a jail nurse standing beside him. They call that adequate care.

Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2011

no, I missed that one.

It’s only a matter of time before OPD kills another person, probably at a protest, on video.

marisacat - 8 November 2011

I figure they want to.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2011

ACLU to OPD: No Seriously, Hand Over the Info

The Oakland Police Department oversaw the use of excessive force against Occupy Oakland demonstrators, and now the department is refusing to hand over information about what really happened.

The ACLU of Northern California and the National Lawyers’ Guild sent a public records request about OPD’s use of force on the night of October 25, 2011 on demonstrators supporting Occupy Oakland. The response we received is both infuriating and misguided.

OPD’s Chief of Staff prefaced the Department’s response to us with this: “The Oakland Police Department understands that the greater and more unfettered the public official’s power, the greater the public’s interest in monitoring the governmental action. We recognize and acknowledge your October 26th, 2011 request furthers our commitment to this obligation.”

Then the email went on to say that OPD was refusing to provide almost all the information that we had requested.

Not only is this a complete contradiction, it also reveals something very troubling. Police officers actually do not have “unfettered” discretion in using force against political protesters. It’s constrained by, among other things, the constitutional prohibition against excessive force and OPD’s own Crowd Control Policy, which as we’ve previously noted, was repeatedly breached that night.

Juxtaposed against OPD’s decision to withhold reports documenting its use of force that night – a decision we think misguided as a matter of law and policy (see our letter back to OPD today) – OPD’s response underscores the gap between its policy and practice. The agency has a great Crowd Control Policy, but doesn’t abide by it. The agency celebrates its “commitment” to “the public’s interest in monitoring … governmental action,” but withholds essential documents. It’s time for OPD to close the gap and live up to its word. Given the seriousness of what happened on October 25, 2011, the public has a right to full disclosure. And while we’re on this topic, OPD should really start following its own policies. That will help prevent messes like this.

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2011

Dick Morris ‘Looking Forward’ to Seeing Cain’s Accuser Naked in Playboy

Fox News contributor and self-described sex addict Dick Morris says he’s looking forward to seeing a “spread in Playboy” featuring the fourth woman to accuse Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain of sexual harassment.

Morris told Fox News host Sean Hannity that Sharon Bialek was just looking to make money when she came forward on Monday to explain that Cain had “reached for my genitals” and “grabbed my head and brought it towards his crotch.”

“Gloria Allred is in search of headlines and this woman is in search of money,” Morris opined. “This woman has been unemployed for 13 years and this is apparently pay day. She’s not accusing him of harassment, she accusing him of assault. He should go to jail if he did that.”

“Certainly if it was true, it would be inappropriate,” Hannity admitted.

“I look forward to her spread in Playboy,” Morris declared while chuckling.

“Do you think this is really about money?” Hannity asked.

“Yeah, sure it is,” Morris explained. “She’s been unemployed for 13 years. She’s been sued a million times. Of course, it’s about money. … I mean, come on. Anybody who knows Herman Cain, anybody who knows anything about Herman Cain, knows that this is not the kind of conduct — his religious convictions, his persona, his style. And also, if he was to do this, do you think the other women would be accusing him of inappropriate jokes or of inappropriate gestures? If his M.O. is he damn near raped somebody, they would say that.”

“Yeah, rape is a harsh term,” Hannity noted. “I didn’t take that out of what she said. I think that he made very inappropriate advances.”

“I don’t think he did,” Morris disagreed. “The only advance she wants is a cash advance.”

marisacat - 8 November 2011

Morris is making the head of CWA Concerned WOmen of America, a very conservative outift look sane. She has said publicly she found the woman credible and the charge shocking. And Cain better do something .

Then of course he said he never met the woman.

marisacat - 8 November 2011

… and Krashauer is another blonde.

Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2011

he does seem to have a type

marisacat - 8 November 2011

he does… alternative meat away from home.

I just read the beginnings of a joint presser are taking shape… Krashaar and Bialek both said for their attys to set it up… nd I heard the Krashaar atty, he said his client’s complaints are “very similar” to SB’s. Which means to me it was more than verbal.

And I read thru SB’s money woes. In today’s economy, good luck pushing that too hard.

marisacat - 8 November 2011

It gets better:

Accuser’s friend says she was saved from ‘monster’

By MAGGIE HABERMAN | 11/8/11 6:34 PM EDT

Democratic strategist Maria Cardona, who said she’s a friend of Herman Cain accuser Karen Kraushaar, told CNN that the former NRA employee was grateful for help in getting a job when she left the trade group after alleging the now-candidate made a series of harassing actions.

Cardona recalled Kraushaar saying at the time, “You saved me – and this is a quote from her – from this monster.”

Cardona also noted that Kraushaar is a registered Republican, after Cain raised the prospect that Democrats are behind the airing of accusations against him.

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2011

Occupy The Highway: The 99% March to Washington

On November 23rd, the Congressional Deficit Reduction Super-Committee will meet to decide on whether or not to keep Obama’s extension to the Bush tax-cuts – which only benefit the richest 1% of Americans in any kind of significant way. Luckily, a group of OWS’ers are embarking on a two-week march from Liberty Plaza to the Whitehouse to let the committee know what the 99% think about these cuts. Join the march to make sure these tax cuts for the richest 1% of Americans are allowed to die!

The 20 mile a day/2 week march from Liberty Square to DC is set to leave this Wednesday, November 9 at noon. On Wednesday we’ll be leaving Liberty Square and marching to the New York Waterway/Hudson River Ferry and onward to Elizabeth, NJ. This is our first stop. Everyone is welcome to join this two week march. If you’d like to participate, but can’t commit for two weeks you’re welcome to join us for the day or help send us off!

The march is being organized by a few of us here at OWS. We will be in DC by Nov 23 for the Congressional Super Committee meeting. This committee has the power to keep the Bush tax cuts (that only benefit the top 1%) or let them expire. We want to be there to fight for the 99%! We will also be connecting with Occupy Philly and Occupy Baltimore along the route, and, of course, Occupy DC!
A major draw for this march is to encourage more people in rural communities to get involved as well as bring spreading the word along the highway. We are hoping people will join the march along the way; whether for an hour, a day, or the full two weeks, we feel its imperative for OWS to be involved in the historical significance of long distance marches to support, promote, and encourage economic and social equality. We will be walking from 9am to to 5pm (banker hours) and will hold nightly GA’s and/or discussions at 7pm in each town where we camp. We will be spending two days off at Occupy Philly and Occupy Baltimore. We are hoping a few people from these occupations will join us in the march to the White House and Occupy DC!

Our route is as follows:
11/9/11: Liberty Square to Elizabeth, NJ
11/10/11: Elizabeth, NJ to New Brunswick, NJ
11/11/11: New Brunswick, NJ to Trenton, NJ
11/12/11: Trenton, NJ to Andalusia, PA
11/13/11: Andalusia, PA to Occupy Philly
11/14/11: DAY OFF AT OCCUPY PHILLY
11/15/11: Occupy Philly to Wilmington, DE
11/16/11: Wilmington, DE to Newark, DE
11/17/11: Newark, DE to Rising Sun, MD
11/18/11: Rising Sun, MD to Bel Air, MD
11/19/11: Bel Air, MD to Occupy Baltimore
11/20/11: DAY OFF AT OCCUPY BALTIMORE
11/21/11: Occupy Baltimore to Laurel, MD
11/22/11: Laurel, MD to Occupy DC
11/23/11: Occupy DC to The White House for Super Committee meeting

14. marisacat - 8 November 2011

The number of alleged victims in the Jerry Sandusky child-molestation case has more than doubled since Monday, FOX29 in Philadelphia reports.

Eight victims were named the intial grand jury report against Sandusky, but now that number is closer to 20, the TV station was told.

Sandusky is the former defensive coordinator for Penn State. He faces life in prison if convicted of the crimes he is alleged to have committed.

At a press conference Monday, state officials publicized two phone numbers that past victims could call to come forward.

It appears that alleged victims have called that number. . . . .

Read more: Link to BI

So fascinating … rocks turning over… th Penn State of course far more horrific than the Cain Gropinator Escapades.. but not unrelated.

Madman in the Marketplace - 8 November 2011

Joe Paterno, not getting it.

“The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them.”

Funny, that’s what the pederast priests’ supervisors always say, too.

marisacat - 8 November 2011

Pray pray pray. Apparently a substitute word for sodomy.

BooHooHooMan - 9 November 2011

Well not when the church has a prayer FOR sodomy.

Prayer. Sodomy, Confession. Regular attendance at Mass:
There IS NO substitute!
I mean, Christ, one wrong move praying for a lost wallet,
or the team to go in for the Big Win and Ding!
- Father Cornhole is on your ass.
A really classy operation. Godly. And earthy.
A real Holistic sorta deal.

marisacat - 9 November 2011

There was a Pen State alum on CBS this am (OJ McDuffy, OJ Duffy? something like that)… said the university has tried to get rid of JP and finally this will do it.

NOW I hear people saying, go now. Don’t wait. (Makes sense!)

I can only dimly perceive what people like JP mean in some place like this valley in PA.

Such entertaining politics at the moment. DEF on the popcorn side of the game!!

I gather Bill played fragile on Jon Stewart over a Cain joke.

snicker.

15. marisacat - 9 November 2011

It gets better. Liberal plot? Blame it on the Democrat machine? (Or whatever the old pile of blubber said):

Karen Kraushaar, an Ann Arbor native whose late father, George Grassmuck, was a University of Michigan political science professor and aide to President Richard Nixon

From the opening of a Detroit Free Press article.

16. marisacat - 9 November 2011

[“T]here was a fraud case in Ohio last year where some single black mother lied about where she was living so that her kids could get into a better school,” Taibbi says. “And the judge said that if she didn’t do actual jail time it would demean the seriousness of the offense.”

“And then here we have market alternating gigantic frauds. And nobody has to suffer any personal consequences.”

“There was one case involving Citi where a couple of guys had to pay $80,000 or $90,000. And that’s the extent of the personal damage that any of these guys have suffered. And until you reverse that, there is not going to be any incentive to behave better.” . . . .

Yeah, pretty simple.

Taibbi with Mokhiber at Cpunch

17. marisacat - 9 November 2011

Hahahahahah from the AP:

“In San Francisco, interim Mayor Ed Lee had a strong lead in early returns and would become the city’s first elected Asian-American mayor …”

Actually his lead fell all evening, from 40% to 33% to last I heard a shade under 30%. We are electing this time using “Instant Run Off” or “Ranked Choice Voting” so it may take a while to get a winner. As Ed Lee def did not take over 50.00% immediately. Which is how you would win outright election night.

He gave a victory speech anyway. He was endorsed by all the Big Fat Cat Democrats, so he might think it is inevitable… (and it may be!)

18. marisacat - 9 November 2011

New

LINK

……… 8O


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