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Insider 15 November 2011

Posted by marisacat in 2012 Re Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Occupy Wall Street, San Francisco, U.S. House, U.S. Senate.
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I managed to sleep thru 60 Minutes, I had planned to catch it to see just how badly La Nan did when queried about her conflict of interest investments… but moiv happened to pop me this:

(CBS News) 

Washington, D.C. is a town that runs on inside information – but should our elected officials be able to use that information to pad their own pockets? As Steve Kroft reports, members of Congress and their aides have regular access to powerful political intelligence, and many have made well-timed stock market trades in the very industries they regulate. For now, the practice is perfectly legal, but some say it’s time for the law to change.

The following is a script of “Insiders” which aired on Nov. 13, 2011. Steve Kroft is correspondent, Ira Rosen and Gabrielle Schonder, producers.

The next national election is now less than a year away and congressmen and senators are expending much of their time and their energy raising the millions of dollars in campaign funds they’ll need just to hold onto a job that pays $174,000 a year.

Few of them are doing it for the salary and all of them will say they are doing it to serve the public. But there are other benefits: Power, prestige, and the opportunity to become a Washington insider with access to information and connections that no one else has, in an environment of privilege where rules that govern the rest of the country, don’t always apply to them.

Questioning Pelosi: Steve Kroft heads to D.C.
When Nancy Pelosi, John Boehner, and other lawmakers wouldn’t answer Steve Kroft’s questions, he headed to Washington to get some answers about their stock trades.

Most former congressmen and senators manage to leave Washington – if they ever leave Washington – with more money in their pockets than they had when they arrived, and as you are about to see, the biggest challenge is often avoiding temptation.

Peter Schweizer: This is a venture opportunity. This is an opportunity to leverage your position in public service and use that position to enrich yourself, your friends, and your family.

Peter Schweizer is a fellow at the Hoover Institution, a conservative think tank at Stanford University. A year ago he began working on a book about soft corruption in Washington with a team of eight student researchers, who reviewed financial disclosure records. It became a jumping off point for our own story, and we have independently verified the material we’ve used.

Schweizer says he wanted to know why some congressmen and senators managed to accumulate significant wealth beyond their salaries, and proved particularly adept at buying and selling stocks.  . . . . . .

I find it all especially hilarious, aside from enraging, as the description of the Pelosi family that is in fact used and does fit what they do for cash flow:

Investor Class Family.

And how.

They also profiled Gregg, Hastert, Boehner, Bachus and others – all dirty as hell as I see it… so, they spread the joy.

The former Speaker did about as well (badly, that is) as she ever does:

And former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her husband have participated in at least eight IPOs. One of those came in 2008, from Visa, just as a troublesome piece of legislation that would have hurt credit card companies, began making its way through the House. Undisturbed by a potential conflict of interest the Pelosis purchased 5,000 shares of Visa at the initial price of $44 dollars. Two days later it was trading at $64. The credit card legislation never made it to the floor of the House.

Congresswoman Pelosi also declined our request for an interview, but agreed to call on us if we attended a news conference.

Kroft: Madam Leader, I wanted to ask you why you and your husband back in March of 2008 accepted and participated in a very large IPO deal from Visa at a time there was major legislation affecting the credit card companies making its way through the– through the House.

Nancy Pelosi: But–

Kroft: And did you consider that to be a conflict of interest?

Pelosi: The– y– I– I don’t know what your point is of your question. Is there some point that you want to make with that?

Kroft: Well, I– I– I guess what I’m asking is do you think it’s all right for a speaker to accept a very preferential, favorable stock deal?

Pelosi: Well, we didn’t.

Kroft: You participated in the IPO. And at the time you were speaker of the House. You don’t think it was a conflict of interest or had the appearance–

Pelosi: No, it was not–

Kroft: –of a conflict of interest?

Pelosi: –it doesn’t– it only has appearance if you decide that you’re going to have– elaborate on a false premise. But it– it– it’s not true and that’s that.

Kroft: I don’t understand what part’s not true.

Pelosi: Yes sir. That– that I would act upon an investment.

Congresswoman Pelosi pointed out that the tough credit card legislation eventually passed, but it was two years later and was initiated in the Senate.

Pelosi: I will hold my record in terms of fighting the credit card companies as speaker of the House or as a member of Congress up against anyone.

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The NYPC has moved in on Zuccotti Park, thanks to diane, these comments of hers drawing on the NYT time line and other links (carried forward from previous thread):

3:16 a.m. Occupiers linking arms around riot police
3:15 a.m. NYPD destroying personal items. Occupiers prevented from leaving with their possessions.
3:13 a.m. NYPD deploying sound cannon
3:08 a.m. heard on livestream: “they’re bringing in the hoses.”
3:05 a.m. NYPD cutting down trees in Liberty Square

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2:55 a.m. NYC council-member Ydanis Rodríguez arrested and bleeding from head.

2:44 a.m. Defiant occupiers barricaded Liberty Square kitchen
2:44 a.m. NYPD destroys OWS Library. 5,000 donated books in dumpster

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2:42 a.m. Brooklyn Bridge confirmed closed
2:38 a.m. 400-500 marching north to Foley Square
2:32 a.m. All subways but R shut down

live audio coverage from WBAI
#ows on twitter

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NYPD IS RAIDING OCCUPY WALL STREET
Posted 1 hour ago on Nov. 15, 2011, 1:20 a.m. EST by OccupyWallSt

Eviction of Occupy Wall Street at Liberty Square Underway
Liberty Square (Zuccotti Park), home of Occupy Wall Street for the past two months and birthplace of the 99% movement that has spread across the country and around the world, is presently being evicted by a large police force.

EVERYONE should get to the park immediately for eviction defense! Subway stations and bridges are closed. Please either take a cab or use Canal St. subway station (which is currently open.)  . . . . .

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1. marisacat - 15 November 2011

Thanks to diane again, from end of last thread:

3:36 a.m. Kitchen tent teargassed. Police moving in with zip cuffs.

3:33 a.m. Bulldozers moving in

diane - 15 November 2011

as of 4:19 AM EST, there are no more timeline entries at the OWS site since that last post, at 3:36 AM EST. I’m imagining the person(s) posting the timeline has/have been ziplocked.

(Re the VISA IPO, I’m imagining NAN clutching those huge pearls she covets during that questioning.)

marisacat - 15 November 2011

That’s only 10 or so minutes ago… I assume a NYT reporter is sending the updates…

marisacat - 15 November 2011

oops I see you mean OWS site NOT NYT (sorry)

diane - 15 November 2011

not a problem honey, it’s fricken late, and there’s way toooo much news datoids to try to track.

marisacat - 15 November 2011

Moderation is snagging most all of your comments.. it has acted up all day, snagging Madman and Gangified.

sigh.

diane - 15 November 2011

I can’t imagaine all the time you must spend ‘unsnagging’ and making your ‘place’ so seamless. It’s so wonderful that you do it honey, thank you!.

(love that clown, …Up popped BOBO Nan! :0) )

g’night hon ;0)

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2011

not good news to wake up to

Ganjafied Gabacho - 15 November 2011

yeah it sucks….I guess there’s some hearing at 1130 e.s.t….such fools, if they’re successful at stopping the occupation (doubtful, the occupiers have demonstrated they are smart and ddetermined) the next thing down the pipe is not going to be non-violent

marisacat - 15 November 2011

Just saw this:

Court order allows Occupy Wall St. protesters back

By COLLEEN LONG, Associated Press – 13 minutes ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Hundreds of police officers in riot gear raided Zuccotti Park early Tuesday, evicting dozens of Occupy Wall Street protesters from what has become the epicenter of the worldwide movement protesting corporate greed and economic inequality.

Hours later, the National Lawyers Guild obtained a court order allowing Occupy Wall Street protesters to return with tents to the park. The guild said the injunction prevents the city from enforcing park rules on Occupy Wall Street protesters.

At a morning news conference at City Hall, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the city knew about the court order but had not seen it and would go to court to fight it. He said the city wants to protect people’s rights, but if a choice must be made, it will protect public safety.

…..

Ganjafied Gabacho - 15 November 2011

yeah I think that’s the 1130 hearing.

The Tucson Occupation keeps on taking lickings, but also keeps on ticking:

More than two dozen participants of Occupy Tucson left their campground at Veinte de Agosto Park Monday to descend on Pima County Superior Court, where foreclosed homes were being auctioned off.

The chanting and sign-waving demonstration came just hours after the protesters staved off a judge’s order that would have prevented them from returning to the park once they’ve been cited by police.

In a related development, City Councilwoman Regina Romero announced she will ask the council to order the police to stop citing protesters for violating the park curfew and to direct the Parks Department to waive the curfew and any park-use permit fees. The council will hold a closed meeting on the request today.

Since the protest started a month ago, police have issued more than 500 park-curfew citations, including 41 over the three-day Veterans Day weekend.

azstarnet

While in Kali for Bam’s memorial they moved the occupation back to “poncho villa’s” park (where it should’ve always been IMHO)

It is interesting how things are coming to a “head” here and everywhere with the occupy movement right now…

3. ms_xeno - 15 November 2011

The mayors and police are mistaken if they think scattering the “troublemakers” will help. All it will do is spread the discontent.

In the Nineties, a great many people were being fucked by banks, too. But they were being worked to death at their shitty jobs and didn’t have a lot of idle time to think about how really angry they should be at the 1% fucking them.

Now these people don’t have jobs to go to, and they have a lot of free time and energy to cultivate rage.

I don’t think Bloomie & Friends and their wannabees in other cities are going to have the last laugh here, but I could be wrong…

marisacat - 15 November 2011

I agree with you.

Plus more and more and more supports have been removed since the 90s.

There was a member of SF Occupy who identified himself as a long time volunteer at one of the bigger Protestant (perhaps Episcopalian who are fairly active here, after the fucking Cahtolics) assstance groups for at stress families and assorted.

he mentioned in an interview there is no longer anything to refer people to for help. SO many programs are simply gone.

Push came to shove.

4. marisacat - 15 November 2011

Madman sent me this

Showdown at Zuccotti Park: The NYPD’s raid on Occupy Wall Street NYC

INSIDE THE RESTRAINING ORDER PROTESTERS GOT ALLOWING THEM BACK INTO THE PARK:

FROM OUR REPORTERS BARBARA ROSS AND TRACY CONNOR

When the cops raided Zuccotti Park, lawyers for Occupy Wall Street immediately woke up a judge with a civil liberties background and asked for help. Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Lucy Billings signed an early-morning order temporarily barring cops from keeping protesters and tents out of Zuccotti Park.

WHO IS JUSTICE LUCY BILLINGS?

But within hours, she was off the case as court administrators prepared to randomly choose a new judge — and excluded Billings’ name from the list of candidates.

Billings’ biography notes that before she became a judge in 1997, she spent 25 years as a lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union. “I have devoted my career to public service, especially the disadvantaged in desperate circumstances,” she wrote in a 2007 pre-election statement.

Lawyers for Occupy Wall Street phoned Billings after cops moved into Zuccotti Park early Tuesday, evicted the protesters and got rid of their tents and other camp equipment. Asked why they called her first, protest lawyer Daniel Alterman wouldn’t say, remarking that he’s not a “gossip guy.” The lawyers also called an emergency hotline set up to assign judges to after-hours cases

A staffer told them that since Billings had already been contacted, she should handle the Zuccotti matter. He said Billings came to the lawyers and at 6:30 a.m. signed an order declaring cops cannot evict protesters who aren’t breaking the law or stop protesters from entering with tents. Billings’ involvement will be short-lived.

At 11:30 a.m., court officials were scheduled to use a computer program to pick a new judge for an afternoon hearing on the restraining order — the proceeding that will determine if the tents can be erected again. Billings’ name will not be included because she usually handles real estate cases, court officials

ms_xeno - 15 November 2011

Yeah. They could permanently close the campsite(s), with enough legal wiggling and dancing.

But they should ask themselves what happens when you pick up a dandelion gone to seed and blow on it. Because that’s pretty much what they’ve done.

Portland Indymedia had a couple of people a few weeks back proposing mass “move-ins” on foreclosed and abandoned properties in areas of the city that the banks essentially emptied and left to rot.

I’m wondering if that might be the next phase. Ideally, there would be both encampments and “move-ins” because there’s just no way that LE can smother both sets of actions at once. Unless they had the National Guard along for the ride, perhaps.

But I guess time will tell.

marisacat - 15 November 2011

Madman mentioned to me there is widespread plans for action on Nov 17. And likely this was done to disrupt that…. Quan admitted to the Guardian BBC that she coordinated with 18 other mayors.

I did nto realise the big day of action was coming up so soon as the 17th (Thursday). For some reason I had some date in my head of about 6 days later.

marisacat - 15 November 2011

This Weeks Occupy Evictions Were Systematically Plotted By The Nations Mayors

Linette Lopez and Robert Johnson | Nov. 15, 2011, 12:57 PM | 2 |

Conspiracy theorists are going to love this one. In an interview with the BBC, Mayor Quan admitted that she discussed dismantling Occupy Oakland with Mayors from 18 other cities.

That explains why the crackdown on Occupations seems to have happened all at once — in Oakland, in Portland, and in NYC, to name a few.
You can listen to the clip around 5:30 here, on The Takeaway (they have a partnership with the BBC). Or you can just read what Quan said below:

“I was recently on a conference call with 18 cities across the country who had the same situation where what had started as a political movement and a political encampment ended up being an encampment that was no longer in control of the people who started them. And what I think you’re starting to see is that the Occupy movement is now looking for more stability. There’s been a lot of… talking to peaceful demonstrators…who wanted to separate themselves from anarchists…They’re now looking for a private space where they can go to do community organizing around the issues that started the movement, so I think you’re going to find that…the encampments are going to try to move to place where they’re not in direct conflict with the public…

Quan then mentioned that NYC’s Occupation is in a private park, so it isn’t infringing on the public’s right to use a public park.

Read more: Business Insider: Mayors Plotted Occupy Evictions

marisacat - 15 November 2011

[T]he spectacle of police beating and brutalising unarmed civilians for the crime of sitting on the pavement and demanding a fairer world brings home the point of the struggle to public and protesters alike. The second is galvanising: attacks on peaceful protesters rarely make the police or government look anything but weak and cowardly, and have tended only to increase public support for civil disobedience.

“This is going to explode now,” 26-year-old Katie tells me, as we watch demonstrators marched out of Zuccotti Park one by one. “They don’t realise what they’ve done.” . . . . .

Guardian

ms_xeno - 15 November 2011

That could backfire, too. If the protestors can’t do a mass action on the 17th, Black Friday isn’t that far off…

marisacat - 15 November 2011

oh very right!!!!!

lucid - 15 November 2011

From reports I’ve read today, folks aren’t backing down at all… I have a feeling that the Thursday event could be very big.

5. marisacat - 15 November 2011

Yum

EuroNews is covering a Anti War, Anti US, Anti US base Anti Mutual Agreement Treaties march in Manila…. burning a mock us flag.

Signs against Hillary (they gotta learn the word, O B A M A, too!!)

I read this am that Slob plans to “increase our military strength in Asia”. ONe of the messages he is carrying iwth him. (Thanks so much!)

As he and the Consort-at-Arms sashay thru the Pacific theatre.

Fuck them all.

6. marisacat - 15 November 2011

Not unexpected:

ABC World News with Diane Sawyer to me
show details 2:03 PM (0 minutes ago)

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

Judge Rules Against NYC ‘Occupy’ Protesters: Can’t Bring Back Tents

7. marisacat - 15 November 2011

Tsar Michael.

The Observer stayed up all night watching the NYPD’s raid on Zuccotti Park and witnessed several instances of credentialed reporters being barred from getting within viewing distance of the scene as the protesters were evicted. According to Mayor Bloomberg, police kept reporters from getting close to the park to keep them safe.

During the more than six hours we spent at the raid last night, The Observer was unable to get closer than two blocks away from the protest. We assumed this was due to our lack of an official NYPD press badge, however, we also saw credentialed reporters from CNBC, CBS, the Wall Street Journal, NBC, The New York Times, Reuters and a Japanese TV station get blocked at the barricades. . . . . .

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In other news, reports of a shooting, someone shot, inside the Haas School for Business at Cal Berkeley. No doubt they will try to blame it on the Occupiers a ways away at Sproul Plaza. (Last I heard about 2000 there in the Plaza)
:lol:

8. wu ming - 15 November 2011

2,000 rallied at uc davis today, which is huge for our sleepy campus. 400+ currently occupying the administration building.

marisacat - 15 November 2011

They’ve taken over a building at SFSU too… not a high number of students but still they took it.

wu ming - 15 November 2011

now that the regents cancelled, there will be a mass march from SFSU to the SF financial district by UCD and CSU students/faculty/staff, plus the nurses, teachers and other assorted unions. they’re calling it “the people’s regents.” should be fun.

wu ming - 15 November 2011

tomorrow, that is. oh, and also occupySF and occupy oakland.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2011

The NY Daily News, believe it or not, has had a good live blog running all day, including posts, pics and video from inside the police bus by one of their arrested reporters, Matthew Lysiak. Look for his posts prior to 11 AM.

Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2011

oops, live BLOG and etc.

marisacat - 15 November 2011

fixed it… ;)

Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2011

danke!

marisacat - 15 November 2011

Oh that is excellent, thnks so much. I’ve never minded NYDN… it is what it is and at tmes lots of good reporting. Hell, NY Post has its uses too…

People may not know this but we have barely any actual newspaper reporting here. Next to no political reporting. Hell the two papers in Las Vegas look like steaming piles of gold to me… as an example. Frankly depending on the story, the type of story, the Bees and the odd news TV channel (which sometims is the local FOX affiliate even) do the best.

We are in lockdown mostly. A machine town. And whatever the San Jose Mercury once was, it no longer is. The Chron/SF Gate always was a joke and, strangely, the Examiner here in SF was just sold. Golly. Amazing. I don’t even think they charge for it anymore.

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2011

Exclusive Video: Inside Police Lines at the Occupy Wall Street Eviction

I waited, and when nobody was looking, I crossed back over as confidently as I could and entered a scrum of suit-wearing police brass and cleanup workers scrubbing the park’s sidewalk. Nobody bothered to stop me as I strode up to the park’s northern entrance and stopped against a wall, a few yards from where police in helmets surrounded the the remaining occupiers.

Next to me, an officer was telling an important-looking guy named Eddie about “the intel we’ve had over the past couple of months” about “the severely mentally retarded, the ones that are real fucked up in the head, and have been violent in the past.” He went on: “They are a little off kilter. They’re off their meds. They haven’t had meds in 30 days.”

“I’m only 24 hours off mine,” Eddie joked.

“It’s good for you, Eddie,” the cop said. “You’ve got to come clean every once in a while.”

As the two men talked, a sweaty-faced man wearing a neon vest over a business suit walked up and started tearing protest signs off the wall.”I couldn’t wait,” he said. “Destroying things never felt so good.”

“Really,” someone said, almost inflecting the word as a question.

“They’re fucking assholes,” the guy in the suit shot back.

Another guy came up to Eddie. “How are we about hooking up the fire hydrants?” he asked. “We talkin’ to somebody?”

“Do it. Do it,” Eddie said over the roar of a garbage truck.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2011
12. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2011
marisacat - 15 November 2011

I saw at the NYDN blog that the cops have forbidden cooking (and eating too aparently), but the cook says she will go on cooking.

Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2011

I just read somewhere that they won’t let people carry in a slice of pizza …

marisacat - 15 November 2011

From the blog you posted:

4:49 PM Anjali Mullany Our Roque Planas has more details on the food standoff earlier this evening:

OWS protesters attempted to reestablish food service in Zuccotti park this evening, but were told to leave by police. “Uniformed officers told us to leave with the food or they would throw it out, said Erica Williams of the OWS kitchen staff.

A group of protesters walked out of the park around 6:45pm carrying trays of baked ziti, a blue garbage bag full of bread, buckets of mashed potatoes and other food to the corner of Liberty and Broadway, where they began serving.

“Set up shop ’til they make us move and then we’ll move again,” said OWS protester Eric Smith.

Within 15 minutes, police arrived on the corner and told the protesters to shut the food service down.

“They can’t serve food here, it’s private property,” said Lt. Kenny, who wouldn’t give his first name but confirmed that protesters can no longer cook or serve food in the park.

Marlisa Wise, 24, who works with the OWS food service said she would continue to feed protestors regardless of the prohibition. “We’re here to feed the movement, Wise said.

Read more: NYDN Live Blog

13. Ganjafied Gabacho - 15 November 2011

This Week’s Occupy Evictions Were Systematically Plotted By The Nations Mayors

Conspiracy theorists are going to love this one. In an interview with the BBC, Mayor Quan admitted that she discussed dismantling Occupy Oakland with Mayors from 18 other cities.

That explains why the crackdown on Occupations seems to have happened all at once — in Oakland, in Portland, and in NYC, to name a few.

You can listen to the clip around 5:30 here, on The Takeaway (they have a partnership with the BBC). Or you can just read what Quan said below:

“I was recently on a conference call with 18 cities across the country who had the same situation where what had started as a political movement and a political encampment ended up being an encampment that was no longer in control of the people who started them…

BI

What we need now is for anonymous to hack in and get Holder’s emails organizing the whole thing…

marisacat - 15 November 2011

I wonder if he is as negligent as Rahm, I see a report that Rhambo used his own gmail account for WH business. Holder always was third, if nto fourth, rate.

The gang that does not know how to shoot but insists they do.

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2011

Say what you will about Maddow, it’s nice to flip on a news show and see clips of Mario Savio’s speech and then link that plaza to this week’s police riot.

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2011

Mario Savio Memorial Lecture on Tuesday in Berkeley Will Be Moved to Sproul Plaza

The Mario Savio Memorial Lecture and Young Activist Award Board of Directors and Robert Reich, the scheduled lecture speaker, have been asked by the Occupy Cal General Assembly to transfer the event to the Mario Savio Steps in Sproul Plaza at 8 p.m. Tuesday evening, instead of holding it inside Pauley Ballroom. This is in protest against the use of excessive police force against non-
violent demonstrators who were peacefully exercising their First Amendment rights to free speech in a symbolic encampment. Although we recognize that this change of venue may pose a physical hardship for some of the attendees, it was unanimously agreed that we would be violating our mission statement (see below) to reject the request. Depending on the exact circumstances at the time, a somewhat shortened presentation of the Young Activist Award will be held, and the award winners will speak.

The following efforts are being made to ensure people’s comfort and safety as far as possible.

1 – The students are planning to erect a few tents on the grass in front of one side of Sproul Hall at 6 p.m. Based on past experience, they believe the police will either seize the tents pretty
immediately or wait until late at night. In other words, a confrontation is very unlikely to occur during the period of the lecture, especially with a large number of people in the Plaza.

2 – Professor Reich is likely to start speaking at 8:40, not earlier. This will be preceded by the Young Activist Award speakers.

3 – the students intend to set up an area with chairs for those in need. If you can sit low down and still get up, please bring a cushion or a low beach chair. All of the rest of the audience will also be asked to sit on the ground so as not to block the view..

3- Dress warmly. Rain is not expected. The temperature is likely to be in the low 50s.

4 – There will be amplification.

Please do not attend if you feel the circumstances would be too difficult for you. We also want you to be aware that it is possible (though the students feel it is unlikely), that if the tents are taken down earlier, the
atmosphere might remain too charged and too chaotic for the lecture to be held.

If you contributed to the Lecture fund in order to secure seats in the reserved section, you may choose between having your donation refunded or letting us keep it and receiving a CD of the lecture, if one can be made.

We apologize for your inconvenience and disappointment, but, as Mario Savio said: There comes a time…

Thank you for your interest and your support.

Lynne Hollander Savio and the Board of the MSML&YAA

Mission Statement: To honor the memory of Mario Savio and the spirit of moral courage and vision which he and countless other activists of his generation exemplified;

To promote the values that Mario Savio struggled to advance throughout his life: human rights, social justice, and freedom of expression;

To provide a forum where young people can connect with older activists to understand their common ideals and find inspiration and nourishment for activism today;

To recognize and encourage young activists engaged in the struggle to build a more humane and just society.

To recognize and encourage young activists engaged in the struggle to build a more humane

marisacat - 15 November 2011

I’ll move this forward and include in the new post.

I am sorry to see Reich glomming on. He could care less.

16. marisacat - 15 November 2011

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