BBB: Boys push back. Links and whatever else… Updates and a Whupdate. 24 June 2006Posted by marisacat in Big Box Blogs, DC Politics.
Well, how old are the Zengerle pieces in The Plank? Mid week? Earlier?… due to Fog of Blog Wars, I must check… (Zengerle's first piece appeared the 21st).
In the mean time, some links to the push back. The fake phrase. Or was it used elsewhere. But still, Zengerle is on the spot here. Where did he get that phrase *AND* where did Gilliard use it, if he did, since he does not fully refute the phrase – or something similar. To be clear, neither Greenwald nor Mike Stark are refuting the email extracts that Zengerle quoted.
To refresh, here is the phrase at issue:
I dont see how this can be ignored. We should all write in defense of this once we know the facts. Jerome?
Feeling clear on this?
Read the whole of the Gilliard post, the convoluted, stern! refutation… and see what you think.
Only problem: I have no record of sending such an e-mail to the Townhouse list, Kos, Armstrong, who did not participate in any of the discussions, or anyone else. I didn't send any e-mail with that phrase at all. There's a similar phrase sent to Hubris Sonic a month before on an entirely different topic, and the Greenwald e-mail
To be fair, I told Glenn I disagreed with the characterization of it being false, because I may have express some kind of sentiment close to that. The issue to me is not that Zengerle created it out of whole cloth, but if he got it from a source that he was too lazy and sloppy to confirm it with me. Let me be clear, I didn't deny writing the e-mail. I said that I had no record of writing such an e-mail with that phrase, to the list on that day.
I told Zengerle the same thing and that he needs to provide the provenance of the e-mail so I can confirm or deny it. If it turns out I didn't write those words, I'm going to write Franklin Foer, the editor of the New Republic and demand a retraction and an apology.
Greenwald (previous MCat post has a couple comments from his piece extracted), Gilliard lui-meme and — I hear Hunter has a piece up over at BlogSon, Daily Kos. Found it, it is meta meta meta. Everything and a navel to contemplate TOO!
I am still calling for meta-morphosis!
His piece responds to this from Peretz.
A MESSAGE FROM TNR'S LIEBERMAN-LOVING NEOCON OWNER:
Forgive me. But I never read Daily Kos until today. Well, now that I've read it, the first thought that came to me is how illiterate Kos is, just plain illiterate. There has been other not-with-a-pick-axe-but-with-a-bludgeon left-wing journalism in the English speaking world, the American PM, for example, or the British Tribune. If you look them up (they must be some place on the Web), you'll see how elegant surgical argument can be. OK, that's not what the Daily Kos is. Daily Kos is actually a rant, Kos's own rant and then his comrades.
And his rant against us, well, borders on a nut case's.
I am calling Blog Swarm, Blog War and TNR as mag stand in for Greater MSM. And I think everyone needs crisis management and media lessons, lessons that don't include hair gel.
And really, in the big world, who cares. The real political story is what is happening slightly off stage. A part of that is Warner, the earnest and very nervous Southern White Male, ''Dem in a Red State'' pol – dragging Mudcat Saunders with him for "color commentary", and when he decides to, just how loudly he cashiers the West Coast Astrologer. That is the real story – or a part of it…
Til we hear of that one, snips from Greater, but ever lesser, Blog World for weekend amusement.
Here is a snip from the Hunter (made it to the Rec List, call mother!) close:
In short, Peretz writes two paragraphs of personal attack blasting the shabby illiteracy of personal attacks, ignores the issues raised as to his magazine's own "reporting", and considers himself smugly vindicated.
Perhaps he is. And perhaps that demonstrates, as much as anything, the tattered shreds of that old and once-proud banner, one that many of us will no longer pretend at propping into relevance.
Well snap! honey. Take that. Zowie Pow! Marty is shaking. His is also briefer. Hunter reminds of weeks of his pieces on IBM Selectrics, circa 1972. Or whatever it was. The RW still got Rather, they'd only been gunning for him for decades…. Leftischer Blogs (but they are not Left, we all know that – nor do they wish to be "left out") ''got'' Bob Domenech. Oh well, not to worry!, before that they "got" Gannon, nee Guckert. Big Whup. Some thought it would be "Watergate again!". Anything here sound like Fitzmas?? … and "Fitzmas" was a froth-built, 2005 edition Dem Party diversion to energise the base – as Roberts and Alito ascended to the court – it is separate from the real issues in the war, the lying to go to war – and the retaliatory outing of a NOC whose area of expertise was WMD. And some, I do believe, saw a movie in that one. And still did at opening comments at Spasm in the Desert.
I recall many a shrieked for, begged for, cry for battle from the boys (and the girls), they wanted to, oh, go to battle against or with MSM, with TNR, with the DLC (til they did not)… I am remembering the piece that Kos lui-meme FPed – but did not write, in February of 2005, for a ''DNCer in the know" and thus posted an anonymous hit piece on Donna Brazile. He says he apologised to her… but the apology needed to be FPed at Dkos. That I do not recall.
Boys wanted rumbles badly — I'm a Jet all the way til my last dying day!… they begged and begged for it. So, be happy. Sing a song. Call your mothers. You can now wear long pants. Or push-up bras. Enjoy.
Days of our Lives. Sands in the Hourglass. As the Blogs Squirm.
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UPDATE, 9:25 am, PT
Sean Paul at Agonist says Zengerle must burn his sources or …
He either needs to a.) apologize for lying about what Steve Gilliard did not write or b.) burn the sources that sent him the fictitious email. I can personally vouch for Steve that he did not write said email and that I did not receive any email from him that even remotely resembled the one Zengerle cites. It's really quite simple: 'fess up, Zengerle.
Think I am going with Punk Ass, from the comments:
That Kos is even giving the story time of day is fucking diabolical, considering the only interesting thing about the whole armstrong thingie is not that Armstrong actually shilled stocks for cash, the interesting thing is that
A) It wasn’t a huge fucking shock (”Major democratic party blogger used to be a con man for big business” should be a scandal of some kind, if you think about it, but isn’t because it’s armstrong, who is an already proudly out member of the paid-for-dem-hack community), and of course B) That Kos apparently thinks that there is nothing wrong with doing this, like Armstrong is being called on smoking pot in college or something actually minor, this man lied to trusting internet denizens so that they’d basically pump money into his bank account.
This puts him on the same level as nigerian scam artists (so if armstrong ever starts a fundraiser to get a trapped Kossack astronaut down from a secret Democratic Party manned satellite, don’t believe him).
Jedmunds at Pandagon on what I am now calling:
The Condo Owners Association List.
BTW, I recall one expostion that stated upwards of 300 were on that list. hmmm I can guess some. But a listing would be interesting. And there was media, oh, sympathetic media bien sur! on it… as well.
Well, somebody broke ranks. The Democratic Elections Process Blog – Adjuncts, Cohorts Too! – Army of America, breaking apart… ;)
Iocaste of Lawyers Guns and Money enters. Jerome and legal issues … tho iocaste wonder if anyone cares. This is an Iocaste comment, outside the body of the main text..
Well, it really is illegal, what he did. And it really is payola, in the sense of being paid to promote something, except that as I understand it, at the time he hadn't set himself up as a promoter in the same way he promotes candidates today. He was just some guy who posted about stocks and you could believe him or not.
Blodget was a closer case legally, because he didn't come within the text of the statute. But 1/1000th as bad would be overstating the gravity of Armstrong's conduct. The analysts — Grubman, Meeker, Blodget — these were people who were viewed as having significant authority and the voice to reach millions of people. The damage they did was far, far more severe.
[Addenda: I am sorry: Greenwald's must be called a WHUPDATE. I suggest people read the posting Iocaste of Lawyers Guns and Money made, the cool measured tone – and the narrow focus.. The lack of fevered defense. And then read the Greenwald entry. And the thread.
It is my guess, an educated one however, that some of the tied-in blogs — sorry to prick the Hindenberg here: but it is not a Movement, it is a Democratic party booster society with a certain type of mega-phone and tied, quite closely, to political campaigns for specific candidates — that some of the tied-in blogs, are considering what they are involved in. How simple or how complex it may be. I will leave it at that, except to add that I have received an interesting email. Looking it over and may post some of it ….
BTW, it is Marisacat on plain old vanilla AOL.]
AND the thread comments that follow are very interesting. Koserei are out in force. I see a trusty, a minion of a former (but they never leave) front pager. The standard slam is that if one questions Kos, one is aiding the Republicans. The movement is all! AND: All evil comes from Rove – or Lieberman, I suppose in some editions of the gospels… And as Kos and others gained influence, dark forces massed to take them down. Well Ben Nelson dials Dobson (wapo, March 27) I suppose Kos could be calling the La Hayes.
The godamedest funniest that is being pushed, is that MSM misunderstands that Kos and Jerome are not the "The Blogs" and by this critical misunderstanding, they make them the story and thus miss the greatness of the movement.
Koserei are on something a LOT stronger than Kool Aid. Check them for online purchases of bomb shelters and bunkers. Stop them at the gates if they try to fly to a banana republic haven in Guyana. For Kos to escape the controversy that refuses to understand ''he is not the story'' (oh yeah, look away, over there…) and is forced to off shore his Blog Kingdom.
Or this is just the summer season. Have a g and t.
Breakthru. Self-Whupdate. Now, I've been good (relativism is all!)… I have not linked to any of the salacious (but really very delicious) writings, caches being found, snips being shared and so on… on Jerome the Astrologer. But Mike Krempasky, Very Much the Red Operative and one of the RedState boys that [suppposed] Blue Boys (mix too many colors, get a mud color, you know) got to know rather well… MK's entry at RedState should not be missed (actually several posts there are good, as in bad! and they link to Riehl and others …).
And then there is this comment. How do they pick candidates? Star gazing?
Other than that, for a break and a change I put on RAI, for Italian news. But scandalo. Then Zambia, but, more scandals of government patronage and nepotism.
Have a negroni. Tall, chilled but no ice, a little light on the gin, big slice of blood orange.