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Thursday (and Friday too!) Open Thread 30 November 2006

Posted by marisacat in 2006 Mid Terms, 2008 Election, Abortion Rights, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Lie Down Fall Down Dems, Sex / Reproductive Health, WAR!.

Turner ; Tate
J.M.W. Turner. Sunrise with Sea Monsters. Oil on canvas. Exh. c.1845. The Tate Gallery, London.

UPDATE, Friday 8:00 am

Welllllll.  I did not expect much when the “good guys” were elected… but oddly as I read report after report indicating that the Dems intend – it appears – to do as little as possible about Medicare D (soon to be fully a Democrat Disaster, frankly) I get angry.

Right, why bother.  Oh maybe because it was the cornerstone of their run stumble run to the finish line.

And another nasty tid bit… I heard months ago that Howard was going to Dem groups and clubs saying that if the party got power again ”health care was no 1” and they were ”all” (and i heard he quotes 95% or 98%) behind it.

Since they never were and clearly never would be (fully behind health care), why bullshit the worn out electorate. 

Couple days ago at MyDD I tripped across some spew from one of the Boyz that “Baucus is just the worst Democrat”.   Where to begin…

From Common Dreams:

[N]ow that the Democrats are in control of Congress, they have a chance to reform the Medicare drug bill, making it simpler and cheaper. This is exactly what the party leadership committed itself to doing during the campaign. However, there have been numerous reports that it intends to back away from this commitment. For example, there has been discussion of the possibility of just removing the phrase in the law that prohibits Medicare from negotiating with the drug industry, but not setting up any mechanism that would allow for meaningful negotiation.

There are also reports that Max Baucus, who will chair the Finance Committee in the Senate, wants to hold hearings on how best to deal with the bill. This would be comparable to holding hearings after December 7, 1941, to determine who had attacked the United States at Pearl Harbor. [snip]

I also caught Jimmy lst night on Charlie Rose.  He is concerned they will not take on ethics… in particular earmarks

Well, again I have heard Reid defend earmarks (The News Hour – a few months ago), he invokes the Founding Fathers if you can swallow that bullscheisse.  And Murtha just gets angry and combative (C-Span in those one on one newsmaker forums where a pol sits with 2 or three reporters).

Not a pretty picture…

more to come… 😉


UPDATE, 9:20 am in San Francisco – bright sunny cold…

Madman popped me this from Susie Bright… and all I can say is Amen Sister:

[M]ost Americans are still invested in American dream — regardless of whether it has an economic and ethical basis or not. Most haven’t notice there’s no THERE THERE anymore. We’re huffing on borrowed time.

I do have one concern about my “objectivity,” and that’s the POV of my age.

I remember interviewing a few older folks, in my reporting career, who suffered under the worst of McCarthyism. I took oral histories of Japanese-Americans, who were sent to internment camps in the 40s. I have family and friends who saw the most frightening elements of the Kennedy/MLK/Malcolm assassinations, who held their breath during the high circus of the Chicago 8 trial, or had their heads bashed in by Mayor Daley’s thugs in Chicago. Not to mention Kent State, and the Jackson State student shootings before that. […]

Maybe, as Byrne once sang, “It’s same as it ever was,” and I’ve just reached the age where hope doesn’t spring eternal.

Or maybe, it’s because I WAS a child of the 60s, and saw such a remarkable, progressive renaissance. This nation has always showcased its violence, prejudice, and hypocrisy. What was unusual were the moments when it was SOMETHING ELSE.

I was in the New Left in the 70s, the pick-up-the-gun crowd, and everyone in my milieu was scouring with their history books to decide the precise SECOND when you could say that fascism was officially in motion. Nixon had a lot of people shook up, that’s for sure. My god, now he looks like a swinger.

History is always swinging, testing your memory. The worst of authoritarianism sounds tick-tock, tick-tock, gentlemen— and global capitalism sans leash doesn’t amount to much else.  [snip]


moiv at Talk to Action has more on the issue D Throat raised in the thread on mifepristone (RU 486)

As the rest of the world knows but the Christian right won’t admit, having an abortion does not increase a woman’s risk of developing breast cancer. That’s yesterday’s news.

Today’s news is just-published research showing that the early abortion drug  mifepristone, also known as Mifeprex and RU-486, offers great promise in preventing breast cancer.

And just as one might expect, the religious right’s spin machine is going into vapor lock. [snip]


Helen Speaks! via Seattle PI

[D]on’t expect any dramatic recommendations from the Iraq Study Group led by Baker and former Rep. Lee Hamilton, D-Ind. The nine men and one woman on the panel are cautious Washington insiders who got picked for the job because of their don’t-rock-the-boat reputations. After all, they might want to get asked again, sometime in the future, to serve on another White House commission.

This is unfortunate because the dire mess in Iraq demands bold action by the U.S. The real solution is a cakewalk out of Iraq tomorrow. The world would stand in shock and awe.

All it takes is courage.

On the other hand, Mona Charen this morning said “Bush is failing” on Washington Journal.  She appeared to mean it, and as much as they must now separate politically from Bush to move on to ’08… it was more simply and clearly stated than I had expected from her….


UPDATE, 12:11 pm…

From Hotline Blogometer:

Reinforcing MyDD‘s Chris Bowers 11/27 observation that the netroots do not have a standard bearer in ’08 DailyKos‘ founder Markos Moulitsas tell readers

“I am 100 percent undecided at this point. I don’t even lean toward someone.” Kos advises: “I’m in no hurry, and none of us should be either. Make them work for our support.”

Oh, so sweet… was that the format with Chevron? …oh I know, he says that Chevron is supporting the prog netroots.  Bridge for sale, anyone? Slice of Blahger on a triscuit? Slice of Fellow on a triscuit? 

And I do recall a lot of tongues hanging out for Warner, who, let’s be clear, greased his way….  And The Chosen People of the Blahgs went to Harlem – and drooled all the way home.  There was a strong urge to escort them to a sand box.

There won’t be all that much ”working”. 





1. D. Throat - 30 November 2006

Abortion pill compound blocks breast tumours in mice

A chemical in the abortion pill RU-486 prevents the growth of malignant tumours in mice carrying a gene linked to breast cancer, researchers have found.

The compound, called mifepristone, blocked progesterone, a pregnancy hormone, in breast tissue cells.

“We found that progesterone plays a role in the development of breast cancer by encouraging the proliferation of mammary cells that carry a breast cancer gene,” said Eva Lee, lead author of the study and a professor of developmental and cell biology at University of California, Irvine.

“Mifepristone can block that response. We’re excited about this discovery and hope it leads to new options for women with a high risk for developing breast cancer.”

The mice carried a mutated version of the BRCA-1 gene that significantly raises the possibility of breast and ovarian cancers in women.

Mice treated with mifepristone, an anti-progesterone compound, did not develop mammary tumours by age one. In comparison, the untreated mice all developed tumours by eight months of age, the researchers report in the Friday’s issue of the journal Science.

2. marisacat - 30 November 2006

Whatever will US Catholic Bishops and the fucked fundies say.

3. gong - 30 November 2006

I don’t know why, but I love that painting.

4. marisacat - 30 November 2006

I do too… a long time ago a painter friend just simply said that Turner is “spooky” and he is… no physical division. Fascinating.

5. colleen - 30 November 2006

The compound, called mifepristone, blocked progesterone, a pregnancy hormone, in breast tissue cells.

So this means pregnancy causes breast cancer?

6. Deepest Throat - 1 December 2006

Considering that the Dems won and the so-called netroots are gloating, why does it seem that some of the BBB are losing their appeal. Is it me, or has anybody else notice that there are less diaries being written over at the Kos Klones.

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 December 2006

I’m sure the Ponzi Schemer from Berkeley finds top-of-the-column ads ESPECIALLY persuasive.

8. Glingle - 2 December 2006

May I recommend this post at Making Light. it should amuse.

I am not content; I am a human being

9. JJB - 2 December 2006


These days, Big Orange Slop looks like one of those free Angelfire sites you could design for yourself, where you had a choice of having the ads as pop-ups, or in a banner across the top. I had to design one for a course I was taking a few years back. They don’t run the ads on every page, but the one that do have them are now at bottom and top. Hard to believe that thing is still there.

It’s amazing to see how the right-wing loons in the MSM are distancing themselves from BushCo. Mona Charen (or Moni Spumoni, as I prefer to call her) is one of the most brainless, doctrinaire wingnuts around. Things are going to get very ugly the next few years, so much so that I wonder if Boy George is going to live to finish out his term. I’m not kidding about this, I believe JFK was murdered for a number of reasons, the final straw in the decision process being his affair with Ellen Rometsch, who was widely believed to be a Communist spy by both the FBI and the CIA. Georgie better hire a food taster.

10. marisacat - 2 December 2006

Glingle… it looks as tho they changed the URL:

correct link for Teresa Hayden Nielsen’s post at Making Light.

Thanks so much for the tip… what a hoot.

BTW, I saw a snip at Hotline that, I guess as a result of the 5M capitalisation AHuff sought, there is a new structure at HuffPo as well..

Gotta laugh. I know the books coming from the Fellows at Dkos are gonna be so fascinating [not]…


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