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Leadership… Fuhrershaft is another word for it… 29 December 2006

Posted by marisacat in 2004 Election, 2006 Mid Terms, 2008 Election, Big Box Blogs, California / Pacific Coast, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.


This is a mild story of love and perhaps a form of leadership.  I notice the pedalo is much bigger than the black swan, Petra, who has fallen in love with her skewed mirror image…

A couple of years ago I read that in his native Austria they find it difficult sometimes to report on the speeches of Arnold, out here in Reagan’s Morning in America, City on the Hill… California…

He uses “leadership” so often in his speeches and the translation is Fuhrershaft, a verboten word.

I read that one editor in Austria just inserts a standard replacement passage on ‘not raising taxes’ when Arnold talks of ”leadership”.

Well the love of Petra for her large white pedalo is benign… but few forms of leadership are.  Whether fully revealed in the public political arena, on the spurious gag-worthy Blahgs (jerk those pink rhinestone poodle collars!) or hidden behind the various curtains.

I wonder what is to become of us…

She always keeps close to the pedal boat and sometimes even nestles in the hollow area underneath it,” Münster zoo director Jörg Adler told SPIEGEL ONLINE. “She regards it as her firm partner. We’re going to introduce her to some male swans in March to see if she fancies mating with a real swan but I don’t think she does.

   plus ca change... etc 


UPDATE, 5:18 pm

Yes yes yes… let’s kill him too.  After all, it would not be random street violence nor sectarian revenge killing, nor spoils of war killing, nor fodder of war, all sides, killing.  Nor would it be blasting the children to death, as they gather for American sweets in the midst of a dying world…

Yes, let’s kill him too.  A full bore, state sanctioned, Rule of Law killing.  Why not… after all, he is the one who knows all the dirty deals, across the years, with America and her leaders.

Every offer, every bargain, every knock down price.  Absolutely, let’s kill him.  A crime passionel.  Why not.

[E]ven on the relatively ”safe” side of the river, a dizzying assortment of armed men roamed freely. In the space of an hour, we encountered the Badr Organization militia, the Mahdi Army militia, the Kurdish peshmerga militia, the Iraqi police, Interior Ministry commandos, the Iraqi military, American troops, the Oil Protection Force, the motorcade of a Communist Party official and Central Bank guards escorting an armored van.

We drove through one of my favorite districts in hopes of visiting shopkeepers I knew. But they had fled, leaving behind padlocked doors and faded signs for shops whose names now seem ironic rather than catchy: ”Nuts,” ”Ghost Music,” “Once Upon a Time.”

I asked my colleagues to arrange meetings with old Iraqi sources — politicians, professors, activists and clerics — only to be told they had been assassinated, abducted or exiled.

Even Mr. Milk is dead. The grocer we called by the name of his landmark shop in the upscale Mansour district was kidnapped and killed, along with his son, my colleagues said. The owner of a DVD shop where I once purchased a copy of Napoleon Dynamite also had been executed.


So many blindfolded, tortured corpses turn up that an Iraqi co-worker recently told me it was ”a slow day” when 17 bodies were found. Typically, the figure is 40 or more. When the overflowing morgue at Yarmouk Hospital was bombed last month, one of our drivers wearily muttered, “How many times can they kill us?”  [snip]

[thanks to Madman]

Gibson comes on with the ABC evening news.  He says someone, “they”, are worried about retaliations after the execution.

Why worry?  About what?


UPDATE, 6:56 pm


[A]gain, I can’t help but ask myself why this was all done? What was the point of breaking Iraq so that it was beyond repair? Iran seems to be the only gainer. Their presence in Iraq is so well-established, publicly criticizing a cleric or ayatollah verges on suicide. Has the situation gone so beyond America that it is now irretrievable? Or was this a part of the plan all along? My head aches just posing the questions.

What has me most puzzled right now is: why add fuel to the fire? Sunnis and moderate Shia are being chased out of the larger cities in the south and the capital. Baghdad is being torn apart with Shia leaving Sunni areas and Sunnis leaving Shia areas- some under threat and some in fear of attacks. People are being openly shot at check points or in drive by killings… Many colleges have stopped classes. Thousands of Iraqis no longer send their children to school- it’s just not safe.

Why make things worse by insisting on Saddam’s execution now? Who gains if they hang Saddam? Iran, naturally, but who else? There is a real fear that this execution will be the final blow that will shatter Iraq. Some Sunni and Shia tribes have threatened to arm their members against the Americans if Saddam is executed. Iraqis in general are watching closely to see what happens next, and quietly preparing for the worst. [snip]


UPDATE, 9:47 pm

Gonna be a loooong two years… with this much capitulate and bitch from the Paid Campaign / DNC / Unions / NDN / Democracy Alliance / DMI / DLC / Whatever / Whoever / Else Blahgger class:

You don’t have to be an Edwards fan or be convinced he’s the one for ’08 to get that the latest reviews on Edwards’ presidential announcement are not only way off base, but missing the point entirely. Or maybe it’s just that the spending gluttony of splashy campaign starts has jaded us all into believing that if you don’t flaunt it you don’t got it, if you’ll pardon the slang. If that’s the case, then public funding for campaigns, which will make presidential runs less glamorous as well as less expensive, are a non starter.

hmmm I think it is the PAID CLASSES that want to keep the “spending gluttony of splashy campaign starts” going (chocolate fountains anyone?  Warner on a triscuit?  Anyone??)… Fundraising, big and small, is the BlogSnottery’s way in… one of them anyway.  So look to your own self.  And others like you.

And by the way, LOL it is not a movement.  It is a business that is online.  NOT A MOVEMENT (more than one site has moved to full on gag level using “movement”, even recommending other sites as “movement sites” or offering “movement perspective“).

Between Harry Shearer’s Edwards Uses New Orleans as a Backdrop, and Michelle Pilecki’s The Media Disconnect of Edwards’ New Orleans Photo Op, you’ve got to wonder if these two people understand what was going on yesterday. Sorry to pick on them, because they’re not the only ones. Fox ran an old Bill O’Reilly interview with Edwards featuring questions that would be insulting for the local dog catcher.

It’s called an announcement for president not John Edwards solves the problems of NOLA that George W. Bush and his Administration continue to ignore.


No… it is called using New Orleans and her people.  For what is, again and again, fake white missionary work as a veneer for politics.

And it likely was instructive to observe Jimmy Carter at a cross street in Bed Stuy and 4 years later, Reagan at the same cross street.  It was searing then, searing now.

What people are saying is, we don’t see [hear] much that will benefit the American people.  And we feel taken.  It took a reporter’s question for Edwards to even mention the governmental lapses.  Standing in NO, in the Lower Ninth Ward.  Other than that the speeches this week as he moves from NO to Iowa to NH and now to NV are a soft drooly call for people to sacrifice and be patriotic.


How about really calling out the bullshit?

And how about not kissing Edwards shoes and bitching over Shearer’s and Pilecki’s columns… neither of which gave in.  Taylor does not just disagree with the two reviews of Edwards very lame start at Huffpo, she does not want that sort of thing SAID.

Why give in? Especially early on? 

Unless of course shoring up the god damned fucking Democrats is a paid position


hmmm Having a movement, shopping it hard.  A very long two years indeed:

Compare Edwards’ rhetoric — “We can create that change that America needs” — to that of Gandhi: “Be the change you want to see in the world.” In his 2-minute and 28 second pre-announcement video, he touched on the continuing hot-spot that is Sudan and the rather bizarre and gruesome situation in northern Uganda. It’s almost as if he’s Bill Clinton of the Clinton Foundation-era, having skipped all those years in the White House.

I had convinced myself of before joining up with Mark Warner that it’s okay — healthy even — for us to end up with a Democratic presidential nominee who was not also at the head of a larger (progressive) movement. I think I largely still think that’s true. But Edwards is confusing me because it seems like the latter might be the job that he’s auditioning for.


I thnk Bill just lives on in their minds as the big white pedalo, the object of their love.  And mixing Gandhi and Edwards… ooo so ill-advised I don’t know where to begin.


hmmm Really looooooooong two years.

OK… I stumbled early this week on a mention at the Chronicle (SFGate.com) Technical blog that some “top blogger” had been invited along on the Edwards plane this week.  So I read along from his flight out of Oakland  via Houston into NO…and then along with Edwards this week..

It was massively unedifyingLink to his last post.

And here is <laugh now> a comment of his to his last post on the “hard questions” he asked Edwards that were (satisfyingly to him) answered.

John: I haven’t said anything about his policies on purpose. My blog isn’t about politics. It’s very easy to get a good look at his stances. He was online the other evening for 1.5 hours.


But, here’s my list:


Gay rights. Yes.
War. Pull out, starting now.
Medical care. Wants national medical care.
Stem cell research. For it.
Global Warming. Thinks it’s a place where we need to do a LOT more (gave a bunch of specifics).

I’ll put together a more comprehensive list, if you want. But there are other places to do that. A wiki is much better for that kind of thing.

And, video certainly is better. WHy? Why should I be another gatekeeper on his ideas? Why shouldn’t you just listen to what he said and draw your own conclusions?

Comment by Robert Scoble — December 29, 2006 @ 11:09 pm

God help us.  Oh yes, the blogger did post a link to some photos of HIMSELF that another “going along for the ride” took.

I am sorry, the candidates are buying soft coverage, I have long thought that the sharpest elbows in the game (Scoble just appears to be a rather dull as dishwater geek and likely has some shilling for products in his background) sell the FuckedNutRoots as utterly malleable. 

I also rather think there is open talk of how dissent is shoved to the side.  “Concern trolls” being banished or at the least ridiculed:   Sign me up, I am a Concern Troll. 

Hell why not.

The other thing the candidates are buying is lack of criticism.  Soft slop, blogswarming, building buzz.  Stuff they/staff can check online and feel good about.

No wonder all the “message” and the “massage” is even sloppier than just a few years ago.  Hype the hits.  Hit the links.  Roll those numbers.  Stack up the tulips for Tulipmania!

At one point early on, Scoble said this:

But, I’m not going to write a lot about John Edwards. If you care about what happened here today he’s been doing a different interview every 15 minutes, just follow the reports on Google News, and just stood on the lawn next to a destroyed Ninth Ward home in New Orleans and talked with dozens of press here (I counted 20 video cameras). Translation: you can read a ton about what he said, with a lot more coming soon.

And fuck the American people.  A lot of what goes on in campaigns and online is just a transient flash mob of one sort or another.  But BlogSnots are selling and the poor advertising men (oh yeah, plus HillaryBillary) being run as ”leaders” (also known as fixers) are buying.

The one consistent theme that resonates with me is that Edwards is asking people to get involved to fix America.  The taxi driver yesterday who drove me from the airport said he thought Edwards sounded a lot like John Kennedy. I hear that on the front lawn today.

Sorry.  Soft slop.  Same slop Carville was selling about Edwards in 2003.  At least Scoble got some push back in his threads.


UPDATE, 11:25 am

In fairness to Scoble, he has up two more postings, sort of early assessment at the end of the “compression tour” (my words, not quoting) of a few days on the campaign plane with Edwards…

He comments, in both posts, on some of the limitations of blogging in the firestorm of a political run.  I agree with him. 

As for how bloggers can play in this process? I think we just are going to come up short in coverage of campaigns when compared to the mainstream press. In order to ask really tough, probing questions, you need to build relationships with not just the candidate, but also with the staff. The staff really can decide whether you get him at a good time, or one where he’ll lower his guard a bit — and to really ask a tough question you need to listen to him answer questions thousands of times — that’s when you’ll see his weak points and where to probe more. There’s no way a blogger who comes in fresh without following him around is going to know his weak points, or the questions that he always gets riled up about. I got him a little riled, for instance, when I told him that people thought pulling out of Iraq would destablize the Middle East. I knew that’d get him riled, cause I had seen how he, and his staff, were thinking about that. You’ll see that on video next week too.

There is a tremendous expansion of information with the advent of the internet.  Fabulous.  But the noise and the sell outs (that would be the Blahgers – and the Box Cars tied to Armando and whoever – and others,  the ones tied utterly to elections) went up exponentially. 

Less fab.

Over all of the years, what I get the most from is verbatim transcription.  Full text.  Interview, Q & A, full text speeches.  And then, second, astute observation of the candidate, the campaign and the people from a tiny, tiny number of political writers.

I get a lot from TV.  I would never sign off from observing politics thru the dirty lens… 😉 of corporate owned, bottom line driven television.  And I love the way C-Span just sets up and films.  Lets it roll… Wonderful.

If Nancy had a brain cell operative (she is making herself a gatekeeper, WRONG!), she would agree to what Brian Lamb wants, for C-Span to have their own cameras, under their control, in the House.  But she said “No”.



1. NYCee - 29 December 2006

Hey, Marisa. Just got home from a big shopping for tomorrow’s weekend getaway, 2nd Xmas gathering to attend. Trader Joe laden… Hear the news. Within the hour. HE will hang within the hour.

Well, Marisa, et al, all I can say is thank gawd, finally!… Now I can finally get a good night’s sleep, now that Saddam will be no more. Oh thank gawd. Blessed rest. Blessed peace. Yes, yes, yeeesss!!

And it is like old American Media Saddam Expert homecoming week, and all. I mean, who do I see on my TV, which was set on MSNBC, upon entering? That sorry old Queen of Saddamophobia Supreme, the one who sees Saddam behind every bomb (terrorist attack on us) and potted palm, Ms Lauri (slurs like she’s drunk) Mylroi… Oh, fuck’s sake. She is followed by Judy disgraced Miller and then that horrid Kenneth Pollack, of Gathering Storm (invade! invade! invade!) fame. Who next to be resurrected from the rotting woodwork to join the deathwatchfest?… Saddam’s bombmaker? (Remember how you couldnt NOT see that guy in the months prior to the war, and then… whoosh. Gone. just like Bibi and Laurie, et al)

Kangaroo Court… This should be internationalized. Outside our occupationland. And no, I dont make exceptions in my stance against the death penalty for tyrants and mass murderers. I never said I wanted Bush or Cheney to hang either. Its just all a sick joke. Twisted. Hypocritical. Justice? Shiites in charge. Revenge. Express lane. The criminal trying the criminal … the weaker one. The one who lost gets “justice.” Sick.

Lol. On MSNBC they gave an encapsulated history of THE monster interspersed by those damnable talking heads I mentioned above – there’s the perception that he was thought to be paranoid. Yeah, like, as in, “Hey, I dunno, they call my paranoid, they, my familiars, tell me I gotta relax, get a grip, but I cant shake this funny feeling about my American friends, who sell me chemicals for lethal use against my enemies and come to shake my hand and sell me all kinds of weapons, nice deals, too, and conveniently look the other way as I do my bloody thing… I have a sneaking suspicion I gotta worry… about my “friends.”


Well, they got this partially right in the IHT…

The rush to hang Saddam

But they might have added a lot more to their editorial… like WHY the rush? Why, because the rush creates the HUSH. Hush my former friends, dont cry. Dead men dont tell no tales.

At least Larry King has on Tony Benn… who I like very much. To say NO to all this bullshit.

2. bayprairie - 29 December 2006

i’d have to say that so far this week, in the battle of the funeral directors, its james brown’s entourage by a mile.

hell, i’d be willing to die this minute if i could lay in state, dressed in velvet, at the fucking apollo theater while thousands of everyday americans line up for one last look.

o.k. ger. it’s your turn. lets see if you can dance.

my five bucks is thinking not.

3. NYCee - 30 December 2006

Why so needy of the speedy trial?

Sham trial …

Something I found rather instructive re this uber express track trial (so many crimes, so little time… Ah, let’s just hang him and get on with the fun of more civil war! ) is the relationship btw Mr Hussein’s age – closing in on seventy – and the fact that Iraqi law forbids the execution of anyone age seventy or over. Yup, seventy is the lucky number.

From PBS Frontline.

Saddam’s Road to Hell

Are there concerns with how the death penalty may be applied in Iraq?

Iraqi law forbids the execution of anyone over 70 years old. Saddam is 68, and some critics worry that a desire to execute him before he reaches 70 could lead to a hasty trial.

(The text is from Jan 2006, hence Hussein’s age is given as 68, but it is now – er, now would be – 69, soon to be seventy.

But will our intrepid media find and discuss this fact, this elephant in the room? So far it is predictably doing what it does best – doing its damnedest to keep the public dim when it comes to our leaders and their foreign puppets, and, specifically, their criminal enterprises.

Now, Anderson Cooper said several times tonight, to his guests, how curious it was that Saddam was not also tried for the far more egregious act, the gassing of the Kurds. “Can he be tried in absentia?” Anderson queried, going only so far, of course, in his oh so daring search for the facts. He was assured it could be done, one way or another, by the guest who had trained the Iraqi judges. (Oh boy, didnt see that one coming, did we? Lol.) Even guests who were more critical, and who were troubled by the haste, who spoke of how wrong it was that Kurdish victims were denied their chance to confront their victimizer, would not pin the tail dead center on the donkey’s rump, could not bring themselves to hit this bullseye of lucky number 70 and the most unlucky Saddam, age 69.

No bullseye, just more bullshit, then, it seems.

Really, it is rather breathtaking that Saddam’s “fair” AND “speedy” trial couldnt even address the gassing of the Kurds, the how many thousands dead? How many times have they, our criminal govt, our complicit media, cited the Halabja massacre, used it to incite war fever, justification to bomb Saddam? Oh, they did it ad nauseum, they did it over and over and over… They ceaselessly dragged out the immorality, the horror of the gassing of the Kurds, genocide, fer crying out loud, in colored photos of lifeless bodies, to convince us that Saddam is bad enough to bomb a country over (and create more lifeless bodies… )

Yet now, after roaring like lions at the outrage of Halabja, the media will go out like meeses, with barely a wimper, hardly a whisper of why Saddam was whisked off to his execution poste haste and then some without facing the music on Halabja.

We all know Bush had to have his execution. It wasnt enough to flex his muscles by invading and controlling the country (OIL), to lock up the monster, tear down that statue and tear up that Poppy Bush mosaic doormat, its perpetual loony frozen grimace there to be stepped on. (How that mustve pissed off junior.) So no 70 birthday candles for Saddam. Junior must have the snuff.

And then, of course, there is that little matter of the unfortunate stuff Saddam might say against the US, his former friends turned foes, if they gave him enough time, enough rope. (Oh sorry, gallows humor.)

(Psssst! That is, if they gave him enough time to turn SEVENTY!)

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 December 2006

Why can’t they allow a full hearing on the gassing of the Kurds?

Well …

The story of U.S. involvement with Saddam Hussein in the years before his 1990 attack on Kuwait — which included large-scale intelligence sharing, supply of cluster bombs through a Chilean front company, and facilitating Iraq’s acquisition of chemical and biological precursors — is a topical example of the underside of U.S. foreign policy. It is a world in which deals can be struck with dictators, human rights violations sometimes overlooked, and accommodations made with arms proliferators, all on the principle that the “enemy of my enemy is my friend.” […]

In late 1987, the Iraqi air force began using chemical agents against Kurdish resistance forces in northern Iraq that had formed a loose alliance with Iran, according to State Department reports. The attacks, which were part of a “scorched earth” strategy to eliminate rebel-controlled villages, provoked outrage on Capitol Hill and renewed demands for sanctions against Iraq. The State Department and White House were also outraged — but not to the point of doing anything that might seriously damage relations with Baghdad.

“The U.S.-Iraqi relationship is . . . important to our long-term political and economic objectives,” Assistant Secretary of State Richard W. Murphy wrote in a September 1988 memorandum that addressed the chemical weapons question. “We believe that economic sanctions will be useless or counterproductive to influence the Iraqis.”[…]

Somehow methinks they didn’t want Saddam and his cronies bringing this relationship up in open court, not to mention the reports that we provided LOGISTICAL SUPPORT for those gas attacks. The killing of the Shi’a was ALL HIS, but the Kurds …

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 December 2006

Robert Fisk: A dictator created then destroyed by America

But that is not how the Arab world will see him. At first, those who suffered from Saddam’s cruelty will welcome his execution. Hundreds wanted to pull the hangman’s lever. So will many other Kurds and Shia outside Iraq welcome his end. But they – and millions of other Muslims – will remember how he was informed of his death sentence at the dawn of the Eid al-Adha feast, which recalls the would-be sacrifice by Abraham, of his son, a commemoration which even the ghastly Saddam cynically used to celebrate by releasing prisoners from his jails. “Handed over to the Iraqi authorities,” he may have been before his death. But his execution will go down – correctly – as an American affair and time will add its false but lasting gloss to all this – that the West destroyed an Arab leader who no longer obeyed his orders from Washington, that, for all his wrongdoing (and this will be the terrible get-out for Arab historians, this shaving away of his crimes) Saddam died a “martyr” to the will of the new “Crusaders”.

When he was captured in November of 2003, the insurgency against American troops increased in ferocity. After his death, it will redouble in intensity again. Freed from the remotest possibility of Saddam’s return by his execution, the West’s enemies in Iraq have no reason to fear the return of his Baathist regime. Osama bin Laden will certainly rejoice, along with Bush and Blair. And there’s a thought. So many crimes avenged.

But we will have got away with it.

6. marisacat - 30 December 2006

ooo thanks Madman… I had just read the Fisk.

Also last night I caught a few mins of CNN (been avoiding it, frankly) of Anderson Cooper going on and on about the 91 shi’ite uprising. leaving out that we had encouraged it from afar (Poppy literally called for it) then WE GAVE SADDAM permission to put it down using helicopter gunships from us.


Oh yes… absolutely, both Bushes will get off scot free. No question.

7. NYCee - 30 December 2006

Yes, thanks Madman for digging up that WaPo piece. Very telling. Will read the Fisk next.

Was up very late last night. Read a poster on DK chiding another about an unsubstantiated claim in his diary’s title that he had just watched “Americans in black hoods” hang Saddam. I commented that it matters not a whit if they werent actually Americans under those masks. The American invaders and occupiers were, for all intents and purposes, his executioners as well. They were there, whether they were actually there in the flesh or not. Period. You could have a monkey in a mask pulling that lever to release the trap and it would function as a stand in for us. The revenge fest, the silencing and the humiliating was the Shiites and Bush’s… one and the same. So happy together, at last.

Had on CNN Int in the wee hours and saw them release even more photos of the murdered man. Now, a few hours earlier, I had heard an eager participant in the execution call in to give the anchors their first eye witness scoop. Full of overflowing bliss from the murder he had just had the privilege of attending, he assured us that his responsible new govt would prevent the footage from getting out, er, at least until some decent interval of time had passed. He emphasized over and over how “respectful” the whole process was for the condemned man and the rule of law.

Then, just a few hours later, a jerky cell phone video of Saddam, held by one of the folks prancing about his dead body, is released. There was a flurry of motion observable of those in attendance, from the waist down, swirling around the body in what seemed to be a sort of chaos of disrespectful jubilation. So much for the oodles of somber honoring of the dead, even a dead monster, we were promised. We got to view much more of Saddam than just from the waist down, specifically his dead face and neck. He was wrapped in a white sheet up to his neck, lying on his back with his head turned to the side at an impossible angle… for one who hasnt just had their neck snapped on a rope. The anchor noted that there seemed to be some nasty bruising evident. Whoever he was talking to at that point responded by saying how brutal death by hanging is – dropping fifteen feet, the neck breaking.

This is just more in your face revenge and display of domination by the controlling Shiites. They picked his date with death, this Saturday, on the very day the Sunnis begin their observance of the holy holiday of Eid. It appears the Shiites begin to observe it on the following day, Sunday. How interesting, this timing, this rush to do it on this particular day. Bush couldnt care less, or perhaps even enjoys creating yet more chaos and killing, by approving of this date. Someone surely must have told him what this date means to Sunnis. Perhaps his buddy Bandar. Someone.

From Juan Cole in Salon: Saddam: The Death of a Dictator

The tribunal also had a unique sense of timing when choosing the day for Saddam’s hanging. It was a slap in the face to Sunni Arabs. This weekend marks Eid al-Adha, the Holy Day of Sacrifice, on which Muslims commemorate the willingness of Abraham to sacrifice his son for God. Shiites celebrate it Sunday. Sunnis celebrate it Saturday –- and Iraqi law forbids executing the condemned on a major holiday. Hanging Saddam on Saturday was perceived by Sunni Arabs as the act of a Shiite government that had accepted the Shiite ritual calendar.

8. NYCee - 30 December 2006


Just wanted to give a shout out to your stellar memory, from a few days ago when I commented on the pathetic performance of matt damon and deniro on Hardball… I said damon’s offensiveness was in his utterances about the execution of the war being bungled, but you reminded me, with much greater accuracy, that what he had said was that this war may have been done with “the best of intentions.” Ugh. What a fucking dolt.

Also, I caught the Ritter and Hersh talk at the NY Ethical Society a few months ago on Cspan, I guess. Was surprised Amy took so long to air it, but glad she did and glad you mentioned it. Havent even watched all of it yet, but I intend to one of these days. Perhaps before Ritter’s warning comes to pass about BushCo’s plans for making war on Iran.

Nice having an insane and ruthless king in charge of our foreign policy, no? With the BEST of INTENTIONS, of course. Ah, our blessed democracy.

9. marisacat - 30 December 2006

ugh… Later I pulled up the transcript to the Tweety/DeNiro/Damon thang.

God it was awful. Damon is apparently deeply entrenched, as is Clooney and others, in the Bono DATA and One Campaign. These are, end of the day, tied to the governments (US and UK, esp) and function as plain old PR for the adherents. You notice they ramp up the blither when they have a movie out.

I am SOOOOOOOOO unimpressed. They all blather for Bush and for PEPFAR and so on. And you know, Darfur “won the lottery for attention”. And so much better to point to Darfur than to New Orleans (or go there and be lame, thanks John)

Damon drooled for the Bush’s AIDS Africa funding. Swore the money gets there.


10. marisacat - 30 December 2006

here is the MSNBC link to the Tweety interview with DeNiro and Damon… I had some snips pulled out that I emailed so will post them (gmail has a lot of bugs but I do like that it is searchable… LOL):

MATTHEWS: If you were drafted?

DENIRO: Well, I don’t know, that’s another thing about the draft and so on, if it ever would come up again. I mean, I was for going to Iraq originally and then I saw, I realized that when you—we went in and we didn’t know how to like deal with it once we were there.

We just thought they’d all cheer us and we’d be out and then they’d want democracy. We’re dealing with—we were just talking about before—the thousands of years old cultures that have all their in-fighting, whatever. I mean, we can’t come in unless we have a real plan or strategy and I never thought that.

DAMON: There is this great book that just came out about that called “Imperial Life in the Emerald City.” That’s definitely a book worth reading, just about that.

We kind of blundered in there with the best intentions, but nevertheless without a plan. So, but in terms of your question, I agree with Bob that it’s a complex question. It would depend on certain situations. I mean, I don’t think that it’s fair, as I said before that it seems that we have a fighting class in our country that’s comprised of people who have to go for either financial reasons or you know, I don’t think that that is fair. And if you’re going to send people to war, if we all get together and decide we need to go to war, then that needs to be shared by everybody, you know. And if the president has daughters who are of age, then maybe they should go to

There is more:

DAMON: But, I would also say that I do some work with a group here in D.C. called Data. They’re part of the—the parent organization of the One campaign, and who prioritize Africa and issues of extreme poverty.

And whoever’s in there, Republican or Democrat, I hope—I hope they take up that issue. And I will say that I disagree with George Bush about a lot of things, but PEFPAR, his emergency plan for AIDS relief, is an outstanding…

Same shit Clooney was selling when he was with Poppy 10 days ago or so. Well LOL actors and a script.

MATTHEWS: In Africa.

DAMON: In Africa. It’s…

MATTHEWS: Is the money getting through?


The money—not only is the money getting through, but I’ve been there and I’ve seen—I have met people who are alive because of that money. It is the only place you can actually look at our tax dollars and equate it with lives saved. It’s a fantastic program, along with the global fund, and the president should be applauded for it.

Later Tweety said to Damon that he was ”being very good to Bush” in the interview and Damon said “he deserves it”.

UNACCEPTABLE. Manufacturing consent. They should [cough strangle choke] BLOG.

11. spider - 30 December 2006

MCat, LOL that you found Scoble. He’s Tier 1 corporate/marketing/PR blogger, cut his teeth as MSFT’s blogger in residence until he moved to a Web 2.0 company this summer.

He is the a-list to Kos’ ‘who?’ list.

12. marisacat - 30 December 2006

Well I did not find him very smart. And def a baby and a whiner at the airport (problems in OAK and HOU)… people laughed at him in the thread.

Plus reading his blurb at wikipedia, he is trained as journalist, 3 years at I forget which school.

Supposedly the ride along is to report on new technology in campaigns… so I will hang in to read those ruminations when they come down.

13. spider - 30 December 2006

He has his moments and he does know about tech which is his speciality… probably why he is covering the campaign launch… tactics and using social media. Ive taken issue to things his written in a thread before — but the corp bloggers tend to shy away from flamewars for the most part as real names and reputations are on the line… but criticism is part of the game.

He has gotten whiny recently after his book came out and then when he left MSFT. But he still is a-list in the corp world blogosphere and a much bigger phenom than kos. His readership are CEOs and industry bigwigs, so I can understand why Edwards would have had him tag along.

14. marisacat - 30 December 2006

Yeah…i read the wikipedia entry (linked in my post) as I was reading along. I guess growing up in CA, high tech, the high performers and the money industry (VC) around it and then ”dot com dot died” as I call it .. well I yawn a bit.

15. Miss Devore - 30 December 2006

{Yummy, yummy, yummy
I’ve got scum in my tummy}

“Frankly…I’d like that version myself… (0 / 0
I’m sure there are some yummy Kossack guys out there…and I’d like to see them 🙂
by Elise on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 04:33:10 PM PST

heh heh (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
there you go, not being a feminist again lol Why do you think you do that Elise?
Thanks for providing links below to some other dust-ups I’ve missed. The method of operation has always been clear (I read one other supervixen diary and never went back) but I had missed some of the others.
by lizah

Ah…no problem 🙂 (0 / 0
I like providing context for people. Context is important 🙂
Yeah…I like to objectify men occasionally…if that makes me a non-feminist in hrh’s eyes, I think in the end I’m probably doing something that’s okay 🙂
by Elise

No. (1+ / 0-)
And we’re not going to clean your toilet or get you coffee, either.

by MattK

sigh…a gal’s gotta try 🙂 (0 / 0
by Elise”

looks like they have managed to get hrh auto-banned, but they can’t help feasting on the corpse.

well, when you’re a smiley emoticon junkie, you got to get your meals where you can.

16. marisacat - 30 December 2006

oooo do you have a link?

Luv your intro, gets right to it…

17. Miss Devore - 30 December 2006

it’s the same diary hrh wrote on thursday. I think I posted the link previously. Unfortunately, since then, they have troll-rated most of hrh’s comments out of existence.

I’m moving elise to #1 on the ass-transplant list since she has critically laughed hers off, methinks.

18. Miss Devore - 30 December 2006

More from the McCarthy-plaid kneepads….Jpete is next on the chopping block:

“Well, if I had more trollratings (0 / 0)
I’d trollrate JPete and blueness and stiela and colleen and every other dipshit who uprated any of hrh’s trollish comments here in an effort to keep them from hidden comments and to help prevent the autoban from doing its job.

I agree that she’s breaking the rules and I for one am really sick of seeing people uprate comments that clearly deserve trollratings. I’m SO sick of it in fact that I am seriously debating asking the admins for more trollratings per day so that we can prevent this uprating (ratings abuse) from taking place. I mean, even if we just had 10 instead of 5 trollratings I could have hit each of those people once and explained that they were guilty of ratings abuse. As it was, I barely had enough to hit all of hrh’s appalling comments. I find this whole situation incredibly frustrating.

I mean, how can we self-police as a site if we’re unable to do so because of MORE rule-breakers. argh.

Read Feminisms Wednesdays and Take Action

by Elise on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 06:41:05 PM PST”

Now, if I could return for a moment to The State of the Mojonation, I’d be required to diary:

“Increase my fucking troll-ratings, Kos!”

Wiser now, I merely reflect:

“Do not ask for whom the belle trolls,
It trolls for thee..”

19. marisacat - 30 December 2006

LOL Oh this is too funny. Yeah I ws figuring they’d be going for JPete soon.

The joint is a tired cult. With lap dancing.

One more incestuous, cramped style Democratic CLub.

20. Miss Devore - 30 December 2006

the elsie-nic cleansing continues..Hopscotch1977 is being questioned on her loyalties now. Edrie was declared passe days ago.

The poodles have commandered the hydrants!

(yes, your poodle images are the poodliest)

21. marisacat - 30 December 2006

one of the reasons I get … ah… a tad exercised at the Edwards display is this all too hollow “people power” he is spewing. Along with the code phrasing in the (professional) political reporting is that he is so “internet savvy”. LOL Got it.

The netteries blahggeries poodles have effing worn it, “people power”, out…

LOL glad you like the poodles.

Loyality oaths for all! Thuggery for breakfast lunch and dinner. Their deep desire is to be the Young Republicans.

It is sooo clear.. 😉

22. spider - 30 December 2006

that we can prevent this uprating (ratings abuse) from taking place.

This is such utter bullshit it boggles. It is a classic example of people completely surrendering to mob-rule and the subversion of free thought.

It boils down to: if the majority (self-selected of course) determine a comment is unworthy you ARE NOT ALLOWED to disagree with our holier than thou pronouncement and voice/rate your own opinion.

It would be pathetic if it weren’t so predictable. People don’t even realize how deeply ingrained authoritarianism is into their being. It reminds me of the Harry Chapin song “flowers are red”. March in lockstep with the teacher or don the dunce cap and head to the corner for a “timeout from free thinking”.

23. marisacat - 30 December 2006

Elise, whoever she is, is quite the busy bee over there…


strange people.

24. Miss Devore - 30 December 2006

Koscartian mode:

I troll-rate, donc je suis!:

“It is the job of a Trusted User (0 / 0 )

to help police this site. That’s why TUs exist.

by Elise on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 08:34:45 PM PST

Right, but you seem to see yourself (1+ / 0-)

Recommended by:

as police chief. I am not trying to insult you here because generally I like you, but your constant approach to policing the site is a concern. It is moving into an obsession as I observe it.

by hopscotch1997 on Sat Dec 30, 2006 at 08:38:23 PM


politicians being netroots savvy….hmmm. I’ll grant them that once they can engage womano on womano. or something like that.

when a politician partakes in the blogosphere without posting careful policy positions, and something arises out of that, well, then I’ll believe.

well, maybe.

25. marisacat - 30 December 2006

hmmm I took time to swing thru the Edwards “announcement day” diary at Kos … since he linked to it on the FP of his johnedwards.com site…

it was like almost all of them. He posted to it 11 times in 40 mins or so…. Said little. Eliz posted 14 times, mostly later in the day across a couple of hours. She is a little more detail oriented (and wears the political pants in that family, CLEARLY) but really it was a bust, imo.

No one who called for “single payer” was replied to… nor were several other straightforward questions.

I have seen the odd nonaligned candidate show up with a real diary… De Vos who was running for AG in TX in 04 (great really progressive diaries, mostly ignored)… and way back McNerney who ran against Pombo. He was initially waved off by the House Beard, Meteor Blades. Of course later it was strategically expedient to adopt a couple actual progressives, like Mcnerney and Hodes (DhinMI was his campaign manager so, very in house, in the end)…

The real key is that the canddiates that get support are chosen by Kos Bowers Stoller and DavidNYC at SSP.

NO involvement of the so so so so so vaunted “community”… except for ATM. And really they did not pungle up much for the great beloved Lamont. What a joke that was.

So yeah it comes down to fake liberal lounge, certain posters/Fpers as candy or Blog Maid or whatever… and gibberish too much of the time.


26. Miss Devore - 30 December 2006

well, I half-curtsy to your knowledge of political insided-ness, cuz, geez, I didn’t know that!

at any rate, in my simple brenda starness, I must report code red:


someone had the unmitigated gall to hold forth on the nytimes without first consulting The Expert.

Poor maccabees. I recall urging him to repost his excellent first diary. Seemed he worked his way up without sucking on anything.

I’m thinking McCormick Hall is way too ambitious for Yearlydross II.

27. marisacat - 30 December 2006

oh gosh… no… I just observe. Not a whit of knowledge of political insiderishness… 😉

thanks for the link. Off to read…

oh “YearlyDross” is a great name for replay of Splat in the Desert with Chocolate Fountains. And Jumbo Shrimp. Gotta have the jumbos for the rubes..

yeah I laugh at ’em. Cuz it is so easy!

28. marisacat - 30 December 2006

How can we have discourse if disagreement can be allowed to be the basis for character assassination? – Big Blowsy Tent

oh that is rich from the man who screamed Slander! You fucking whatever you! you liar, you this, you that…

Screamed his way thru site after site, provoked long threads of utter drool and scream. Crashed and burned over and over in public.

I see Armando has the same grip on reality that Fernando and BTD has.


What a tired mess. And of course he is an Admin. Not the only place where he has keys to the place.

Stale meringues, all in a row.

29. Miss Devore - 30 December 2006

One must choose between being a Sunni or Shiite there, now.

Honor killings are in order.

30. marisacat - 30 December 2006

Good way of putting it. And surely each and every day is a High Holy… in the Cult du Kos.

LOL Bow down or leave. Or be escorted to the edge of town.

31. marisacat - 30 December 2006

hmm well I skimmed most of the thread. LOL I skipped out when one of Armando’s standing hareem showed up.

Take the diary and thread, dress it in aspic, feed it to a dog and then gild the solid waste. Set it on the mantle over the fireplace…

About all that can be said.

32. NYCee - 31 December 2006

Greetings from mountains and farmland, forests and burbling brooks. A painless hour+ drive from the big city. Ummm…

may yer new year be bright, marisa, cats, and all.

thanks for all the tasty tidbits, the wonderful past year of those and great photos as well. Definitely great poodles in there.

Dropping this off by Robert Parry:

Bush Silences a Dangerous Witness

33. marisacat - 31 December 2006

ooo thanks for the lovely words NYCee… so glad you are back in the E-Lec-Tron-Ic world… 😉

and thanks for the good wishes.. will pass them on to Los Gatos… they are getting shrimp today, lest they notice the devastation of America, outside the window.

Have a lovely weekend!

… and: thanks for the Parry link…

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