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Honestly? I think Bush has them by the balls… 24 January 2007

Posted by marisacat in Culture of Death, DC Politics, WAR!.

… and their hearts and minds were never far away…

This is where matters stand tonight, in the here and now. I have spoken with many of you in person. I respect you and the arguments you have made.

We went into this largely united — in our assumptions, and in our convictions. And whatever you voted for, you did not vote for failure. Our country is pursuing a new strategy in Iraq — and I ask you to give it a chance to work. And I ask you to support our troops in the field — and those on their way.

The war on terror we fight today is a generational struggle that will continue long after you and I have turned our duties over to others. That is why it is important to work together so our Nation can see this great effort through. Both parties and both branches should work in close consultation. And this is why I propose to establish a special advisory council on the war on terror, made up of leaders in Congress from both political parties. We will share ideas for how to position America to meet every challenge that confronts us. And we will show our enemies abroad that we are united in the goal of victory.

And this, this the Dems wanted…

One of the first steps we can take together is to add to the ranks of our military — so that the American Armed Forces are ready for all the challenges ahead. Tonight I ask the Congress to authorize an increase in the size of our active Army and Marine Corps by 92,000 in the next 5 years. A second task we can take on together is to design and establish a volunteer Civilian Reserve Corps. Such a corps would function much like our military reserve. It would ease the burden on the Armed Forces by allowing us to hire civilians with critical skills to serve on missions abroad when America needs them. And it would give people across America who do not wear the uniform a chance to serve in the defining struggle of our time.

I make a joke nowadays … that Momma says, Fairness is “off the table”  .

Several reports indicated the Blackhawk brought down over the week end, was the work of al Qaeda.  As long as we are forced into, and accept, the great myth, this multi-generational conflict with al Qaeda (I notice nobody mentions Osama much, unless to smear a pol) rather than an international policing action against terrorism… well, I don’t see how we ever leave. 

And that was the lay of the land from the get go…

Meanwhile, Webb uses “mismanaged”. 

This country has patiently endured a mismanaged war for nearly four years…

He should have delivered that one on his knees, whispering. The coded language in that single phrase just drips with pabulum…  Here baby, a spoonful for Momma.

And little Dems (who no doubt are on the payroll) are stepping on themselves to claim “Webb Speaks for Me” (the thread is pathetic).

Lordy.  Tell me again how he opposes this war?  With the slobber for his ”fightin’ Scots Irish” and his son who is over there?  I was not taken in by the boots he campaigned in either…

Tell me again?



UPDATE, Midnight…

Fortunately I never bought “Two Americas” nor the cheap opportunistic use of the poor.  Wonder if they  have flown him to Masada at dawn yet, to declare his allegiance

As to the American people, this is a difficult question. The vast majority of people are concerned about what is going on in Iraq. This will make the American people reticent toward going for Iran. But I think the American people are smart if they are told the truth, and if they trust their president. So Americans can be educated to come along with what needs to be done with Iran.


UPDATE, 2:15 am Wednesday…

At some point I caught TNH interview today, Gwen Ifill with John Warner.  He recoils as if burned with boiling water at the word “timeline“… In his pickled, heavily made-up state he nevertheless is frantic that it be understood she used that word, not he.  He can b a r e l y handle “benchmarks” but manages to get it out.  That one is acceptable…  It’s OK John.  We get it.

It is laughable, the resolution will be “We strongly disagree.. “.  And even then, wanna bet a voice vote?

Scared, freakish children.  Well they should be, Bush pushes the outer boundaries… and they, well they just want their limited power, the perks and pensions.  It makes for profound imbalance.

Pepe Escobar is up in Asia Times, these are the closing grafs:

With Baghdad to be divided into nine military districts, each with its dedicated Iraqi army/police and its embedded US battalion, the muqawama is also more than relishing the prospect of laying siege to the sitting-duck Fort Apaches that will spring up in each of these districts. What happened in Karbala last Sunday will be quite common in Fort Apache land: attacks by guerrilla commandos disguised as American soldiers, driving in a convoy of GMCs. And Black Hawk Down will be endlessly replayed – just like last Saturday, when a helicopter was shot down by a clumsy Russian SA-7 shoulder-fired missile.

Most of all, the dire prospect is of a devastating air war over Baghdad – followed by wholesale slaughter of Sunnis and Shi’ites alike as counterinsurgency fails (there are no hearts and minds to be won; everyone wants US troops out). But as US bombs and missiles now define who is a “terrorist” and who is not – see the recent bombing of Somali nomadic herdsmen sold as dangerous al-Qaeda operatives – Iraqification-cum-surge will be a disaster mostly for every Baghdadi caught in the crossfire.

The Pentagon cannot at the same time launch the Battle of Sadr City, fight the muqawama spread out and in control all over western Baghdad, and fight al-Qaeda in al-Anbar province. Or maybe it could: if bombs and missiles from above are The Great Decider on who’s a terrorist, why not take out everybody down there on the ground? Forty years after Che Guevara’s “one, two, a thousand Vietnams”, meet “one, two, a thousand Fallujahs”.


Really, we are there… 


UPDATE, 11:12 am

Adjusting the window dressing for the folks at home.  Otherwise known as Breaking News from ABC:

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:





1. wu ming - 24 January 2007

great catch about edwards. what a shame, the only democratic senator halfway close to sanity on israel – russ feingold – decided not to run.

2. Feeder of Felines - 24 January 2007

FWIW, what Webb said about the increasing maldistribution of income and wealth and the need to do something to reverse the process he meant. Just what he might intend by way of policy, I don’t know. The minimum wage increase is only a single step on a much longer path. The fact that a politician (other than Sen. Edwards) in a national spotlight would say these things is, however, a wee bit encouraging. The first half of his reply to the SOTU address was given over to recounting some basic facts about those disparities of income and wealth, but I see that the NYT in their story accompanying the text of Webb”s remarks chose to spend most of the time describing what he said about Iraq and only in the last paragraph did you get any quote from the first part of Webb’s remarks. But for the NYT the increasing divide between “the two Americas” isn’t a curse, but a blessing, so far as I can tell. But what would one expect from them, anyway?

[A. Lincoln, 1858, revised and updated: “As I would not be a wage slave so would I not be a boss. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy.]

3. marisacat - 24 January 2007

I don’t know… I know a lot of the queasy liberals around swooned for his WSJ populist opinion piece of a few weeks ago. There was chatter of his going into the lions den. He has had a number of pieces in the WSJ, and… well we shall see. I don’t think the party he rides on intends much in the way of policy.

It smacks a bit too much of CNN’s Dobbs for my taste. He ladles out some sugar and the pulp of the rotted fruit is hidden.

One more militarist. I have read nearly all his 20 or years of essays and speeches at his site…. think it is http://www.jameswebb.com. It is not at all encouraging..

I think people are desperate to hope.

4. supervixen - 24 January 2007

Webb is a creep. He loathes and despises “social engineering” when it has to do with ensuring equal rights for women, but I guess he’s OK with it when it comes to his 1930s-style “populism”. He must have been reading a lot of Steinbeck lately.

Mcat, did you see this article over at Webb’s site – not the one from 30 years ago, but from 1997:

But neither should we delude ourselves into thinking that assimilation of females into military occupational specialties is the same as breaching racial and ethnic barriers. Eliminating cultural bias requires intellectual conditioning to break down old attitudes. But eliminating or neutralizing an attraction to the opposite sex requires much sterner and more imaginative therapy, and is probably impossible.
The time has finally come to cease examining these issues solely from the perspective of how the military culture should adjust itself to women. While women make valuable contributions on a variety of levels, the military is and always has been a predominantly male profession. Its leaders should demand that any adjustments in sexual roles meet the historically appropriate criterion of improving performance, and should stop salving the egos of a group of never-satisfied social engineers.

That article was published in The Weekly Standard, unsurprisingly.

Let’s face it – the guy is a social conservative, a Reagan Republican in Dem’s clothing. He has some sort of egotistical attachment to “the working class” because of his background, but I suspect that to him, the working class is made up of big macho Joe Sixpacks like himself, and women are conspicuously absent.

5. Chris - 24 January 2007

Absolutely, people are desperate to hope. I know I am. It gets in the way of sound judgement. I watched his rebuttal last night half in the tank and I found myself enjoying it and a bit enthusiastic. But reading it this morning, sans beer goggles, I’m not sure what I was so enthusiastic about. The bar is just so damned low.

6. JJB - 24 January 2007

Funny to read that “one, two, a thousand Fallujahs” in light of this, online today at Counterpunch:

In recent years American police forces have called out SWAT teams 40,000 or more times annually. Last year did you read in your newspaper or hear on TV news of 110 hostage or terrorist events each day? No. What then were the SWAT teams doing? They were serving routine warrants to people who posed no danger to the police or to the public.

Occasionally Washington think tanks produce reports that are not special pleading for donors. One such report is Radley Balko’s “Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America” (Cato Institute, 2006).

This 100-page report is extremely important and should have been published as a book. SWAT teams (Special Weapons and Tactics) were once rare and used only for very dangerous situations, often involving hostages held by armed criminals. Today SWAT teams are deployed for routine police duties. In the US today, 75-80% of SWAT deployments are for warrant service.

In a high percentage of the cases, the SWAT teams forcefully enter the wrong address, resulting in death, injury, and trauma to perfectly innocent people. Occasionally, highly keyed-up police kill one another in the confusion caused by their stun grenades.

Mr. Balko reports that the use of paramilitary police units began in Los Angeles in the 1960s. The militarization of local police forces got a big boost from Attorney General Ed Meese’s “war on drugs” during the Reagan administration. A National Security Decision Directive was issued that declared drugs to be a threat to US national security. In 1988 Congress ordered the National Guard into the domestic drug war. In 1994 the Department of Defense issued a memorandum authorizing the transfer of military equipment and technology to state and local police, and Congress created a program “to facilitate handing military gear over to civilian police agencies.”

Today 17,000 local police forces are equipped with such military equipment as Blackhawk helicopters, machine guns, grenade launchers, battering rams, explosives, chemical sprays, body armor, night vision, rappelling gear and armored vehicles. Some have tanks. In 1999, the New York Times reported that a retired police chief in New Haven, Connecticut, told the newspaper, “I was offered tanks, bazookas, anything I wanted.” Balklo reports that in 1997, for example, police departments received 1.2 million pieces of military equipment.

I guess Bush, or whichever Democrat replaces him, will solve the military personnel crisis by nationalizing various police forces, and sending the cops over to Iraq. After all, they’ll already have hands-on experience with the relevant hardware that raw recruits/draftees will have to be trained on, and their daily job experience in our major cities will be just the sort of thing they’ll have to do in Baghdad, Fallujah, Mosul, etc. As to the blatant unconstitutional nature of this action, who’ll stop the POTUS from doing this? If said Chief Executive is a Democrat, all the “progressive” bloggers (led by Kosolini himself) will helpfully point out that this isn’t really any different than keeping National Guard units in the war zone indefinitely, and the conscripted cops will have something like real combat experience, while the NG’s are for the most part convoy/supply types thrust into combat jobs they’re unprepared for (actually, someone will write a diary entry about this, and Kos will steal the idea and put it up on the FP under his own name).

Anyway, with tens of thousands of cops holding down the fort in Iraq, we’ll have plenty of soldiers for our soon-to-happen invasion of Iran.

7. Miss Devore - 24 January 2007

would you like an appropriate image for this posting?

(Testicle Bouquet, Christine Canepa, 2004, Oil pastel on paper)

8. marisacat - 24 January 2007

Miss Devore LOL I remember that painting, when you used it over at BMT, you had them cringing in the aisles… 😉

JJB Thanks so much for that link. Oh the regime of Reagan and Meese out here was such a horror. In the most awful way, when they moved on to DC, I simply read nothing o fhtem for two years. The relief was so great. And so awful. Meese is a pure fascist. And Reagan the most perfect public face for fascism. It really bothers me that Meese is still alive… and still participating. He was on the ISG.

Sv I have read just about everything over at his site. Quite the display of conservative publications he has contributed to… inlcuding that one, the one against women from just barely 10 years ago. Also his spring 2006 slobber when Cap Weinberger died.

He is just appalling. The ones that still argue for Vietnam really really get me…

Chris well in fairness, he delivered it well… and obviously the “float” about trading off Iraq reconstruction (not that we plan to do any better by Iraq than we did Vietnam, ie no reparations) for NO reconstruction was struck. And he did finish well, in the flesh.

But really it was empty.

I realise people are afraid. Likely many of them went numb when he just flopped and fiddled on 9/11. And 12 and 13. My own take was he did not want to be bothered. And there are no Democrats willing to really speak to the American people.

Basically the only timeline that matters, and The State knows this one for certain, is you can run 6 years of WAR! for trumped up reasons (and that includes Afghanistan) before the American people withhold agreement.


Myself I find the Raw Story piece on Edwards and his speech and comments by satellite to the Herzliyah US Israeli conf. to be horrifying.

I doubt there would be any real opposition to an extended campaign, a series of bombing strikes on Iran, despite the few “on the record” protestations about war with Iran over the couple of weeks.

9. JJB - 24 January 2007


Yes, that’s a scary piece. I agree with you completely re Meese and Reagan. We’re lucky that the former was an incompetent boob, if he’d been any good at his job, we’d have turned into a police state back then. As to RR, over a half-century ago, Gore Vidal said that if fascism ever did come to America, it would be brought to us by a smiling, seemingly genial, avuncular character exactly like Arthur Godfrey. Reagan proved to be an even better Godfrey than the original. Fortunately, he was already slipping into the fog of senility when elected, and his near-death experience after the shooting incident in early 1981 probably speeded the process, so between his incapacity and Messe’s blundering performance, things never got as bad as they could have. I was convinced Reagan was going to launch a war against the USSR, thankfully saner heads managed to keep that from happening. If Reagan had been 5-10 years younger and more vigorous in 1980, we might not be around to have this conversation. Of course, the Bush administration has pretty much made the nightmare of 25 years ago the reality of today, and he seems pretty determined to bring on Armageddon as well. Don’t know who’ll stop it this time.

Oh, BTW, don’t miss this smarmily self-congratulatory piece Kosolini wrote about Jim Webb for the FP. That boy’s ego is a festering cancer.

Incidentally, Armando seems to have pulled another alcohol-fueled all-nighter. He’s posted close to 370 comments in the last 26 hours, and I see only 2 rather widely separated 3 hour breaks in his comment history. This diary should provide an amusing overview of how he’s been spending his time.

10. D. Throat - 24 January 2007
11. marisacat - 24 January 2007

LOL but he is running again for the Senate. Please god no. Please go away. Retire. Whatever. Windsurf, apple bob… whatever. Goose hunt. Get TH-K to buy house No. 7… anything.


But addicted to the Club. All it is.

There was a short little LTE in the WaPo in 2002 in the wake of IWR/AUMF from none other than George Kennan. That the greatest danger was from the surrender of power from the congress to the president.

I did sit up.

I think most of them just like the lobbying graft (and now they luv luv luv their ”leadership” PACS, my guess Kerry can keep the 13 mil he has left) and the services maintained for the members of the club.

I say Elect Barney! to the senate. he can run online chats (I read she told people to hope) that people will hail as Great Breakthrus.

Same as the horse in Rome.

12. supervixen - 24 January 2007

JJB: the comments on that Kos diary were inane and depressing. They sure love their groupthink over there! I did appreciate this one, which was unwittingly apt:

I watched Jim Webb last night (10+ / 0-)

His integrity and strength was transparent.

Yes, Armando is having one of his manic phases in which he turns into the chestpounding screeching abusive male for days on end and accuses anyone who disagrees with him of having a “gang” or a “posse”. He even emailed me, demanding that I leave him alone. (???) I emailed him back and told him to suck my dick.

Actually, Miss D., I think I’ll send him that picture you posted, just to fan the flames of his paranoia 🙂

13. marisacat - 24 January 2007

Well… no surprise, National Interest Online (NIo), a Nixon Center publication, luvs them some Warner and some Webb.

Interesting series of post partum reviews of the SOTU. All I really hear is highly flexible R positioning w/r/t a ‘dying in the polls’ president….

And Allawi plumps heavily for a Bantustan’d Iraq. The Biden-Harold Ford plan. Or so they both helpfully pushed in recent months, at least a de-federalised tri-partite Iraq…. It sure was a hoot to hear Ford push it in TENN.

What I call The Israeli Plan. Broken to bits, never a power again. Or not for 50, 60 years.

14. supervixen - 24 January 2007

JJB, re SWAT teams: I was living in Philly in 1985 when the police bombed the Osage Avenue neighborhood and burned down 60+ houses. It was unbelievable. Philly cops are the worst. In my experience, anyway.

15. JJB - 24 January 2007

Just read the Raw Story piece on Edwards in Israel. Sheer lunacy from him:

Iran threatens the security of Israel and the entire world. Let me be clear: Under no circumstances can Iran be allowed to have nuclear weapons. For years, the US hasn’t done enough to deal with what I have seen as a threat from Iran. As my country stayed on the sidelines, these problems got worse. To a large extent, the US abdicated its responsibility to the Europeans. This was a mistake. The Iranian president’s statements such as his description of the Holocaust as a myth and his goals to wipe Israel off the map indicate that Iran is serious about its threats.

Once Iran goes nuclear, other countries in the Middle East will go nuclear, making Israel’s neighborhood much more volatile.. . . To ensure that Iran never gets nuclear weapons, we need to keep ALL options on the table, Let me reiterate – ALL options must remain on the table.

The war in Lebanon had Iranian fingerprints all over it. I was in Israel in June, and I took a helicopter trip over the Lebanese border. I saw the Hezbollah rockets, and the havoc wreaked by the extremism on Israel’s border. Hezbollah is an instrument of the Iranian government, and Iranian rockets allowed Hezbollah to attack and wage war against Israel.

I cannot talk about the war last summer without referring to the Syrian role in destabilizing area. Syria needs to be held accountable. Syria has recently called for peace talks with Israel. Talk is cheap. Syria needs to go long way to prove it is ready for peace. It can start by not harboring terrorists and ending its nefarious relationship with Iran.


. . . Israel not only has the right to defend itself, it has an obligation to defend itself. This means continuing to ensure Israel’s military strength, diplomatically and economically.. . . For too long, the current US administration’s commitment to this issue has been halfhearted [what the hell?!?!?!?] .. . . We should be finding ways to upgrade Israel’s relationship with NATO. This could even some day mean membership. NATO’s mission now goes far beyond just Europe. Therefore, it is only natural that NATO seeks to include Israel.

Israel as a NATO member. Gee, that’s a swell idea. It should go over very well in the Islamic world especially. I can’t imagine that bin Laden or Ahmadinejad would be able to use that to win any converts to their way of thinking. Presumably, Edwards has foreign policy advisers. Did he get advice from any of them before running this insane idea up the flagpole? And in what universe has the United States been halfhearted in its support for Israel’s “right to defend itself” (i.e., make war against its neighbors any time it feels like doing so)? Is Edwards suggesting we’ll be even more fervent in our enabling of their aggression?

I guess his campaign slogan ought to be “If You Liked Bush’s Foreign Policy, You’ll Love Mine!!!”

16. marisacat - 24 January 2007

Well.. Edwards never was very smart. Pretty hidebound people. And I am sure he and Eliz fully buy all of that. I am reminded that Molly Ivins had a very reactionary knee jerk response when Hamas won seats in Ramallah.

A little over a year, the US worked (according to Chomsky in most brutal repressive actions) to reverse an election. She can sleep easy.

Really there is no one. Which is why the danger is so great. All co-opted. As the Daley machine strengthens.

Were there 40 years in between… seems not.

And I see that Ethel Kennedy has a PR slobber line out about Obama this am.

All Hail the Franchise… LOL. Might as well laugh.

17. JJB - 24 January 2007


That comment is perfect, in its own way, a trite cliches undone by the author’s stupidity. The fact that it might have been posted by some Webb staffer is kind of scary when you realize these people go on to be the congresscritters, media consultants, and political operatives of the future.

With regards to BTD, there’s obviously something very wrong with him, and whatever substances he’s abusing (he has to be doing more than one) are exacerbating it. His comments about being abused by “gangs” and “posses” might simply be projection (he always goes into combat supported by a phalanx of Armandildos, keeping up with his schedule must be extremely taxing), but I think whatever stuff he’s doing is making him seriously paranoid. And I don’t know what the final resolution was re his wife posting their marital difficulties on the Internet (was that indeed his wife, BTW?), but something in his offline life might be in crisis again. This is a shrill, hysterical performance even by his standards.

18. marisacat - 24 January 2007

It was his wife. He publically admitted (via email to those who received it, which seems was everyone)… he used “ex-wife”.

19. bayprairie - 24 January 2007

My personal opinion is Webb’s populism has its roots in old style southern democratic party populism that took root in the reconstruction era among disenfranchised “unable to vote” white males. At least this is how he “feels” to me. And i agree that he probably does mean exactly what he says. So yes, he’s anti-corp, “anti-trust” to some degree. But theres a huge downside that goes along with this that MUST NOT be glossed over. These same old southern democratic populists, fighting the good fight against the trusts and the railroads and the robber barons would often go out on a saturday night, slip into the robes and burn people people down. or hang them. or shoot them for being (their characterization) as lazy and shiftless and drunk.

jim webb’s populism has its roots the same worldview espoused in the film “birth of a nation”. hate the robber barons, granted, the worldview is no friend of corporate trusts, but it’s also violent and its racist and it wants women “kept” in their place.

old fashioned southern democratic populism (which is what i say webb is) has a the downside can far worse than the ittle “up” it contains. we have to have something better than that.

20. supervixen - 24 January 2007

JJB: “Armandildos”, LOL!

Yes, as I understand it, the consensus is that it was indeed his wife. And I agree, something is even more “off” than usual.

But even more disturbing than Armando’s abusive rantings are the apologias offered by people like Jerome a Paris:

Do not give him the opportunity to scream. Do not generate noise. Do not write fluff. Don’t be inconsistent. Don’t write in bad faith. Be sharp. And drop your pride offsite.

It’s classic apology-for-the-wifebeater or childbeater: “It’s all YOUR fault – if you didn’t act like this, he wouldn’t be forced to hit you!”

And then there is this insanity:

Maybe you didn’t uprate. (0 / 0)
But you were supporting the people who were uprating the personal attacks in question by your refusal to call them out. Therefore, it is OK if your tribe does it, but not the other tribe. Silence means consent.

Give me a break — Nationbuilding 101 — loyalty to community must take priority over loyalty to tribe.

You did not lift one finger to stop the people on your side from making personal attacks. But it must be OK if the target is Armando. Right?


Finally, I suggest that if you don’t want people to call you a “lying sack of shit” that you not act condescending towards them. You think people don’t notice when you are looking down on them? You think people don’t feel it when people do not respect you? You thought wrong.

Conservatism is Dead!

by Eternal Hope on Wed Jan 24, 2007 at 11:10:25 AM PST

I truly hope that people like this never get into positions of real power. It’s too frightening to contemplate.

21. supervixen - 24 January 2007

bayprairie, good points about Webb’s “populism”. It reminds me of the old idea of “muscular Christianity”.

22. JJB - 24 January 2007

Aw shucks, I didn’t get the email!

I did think it had the ring of truth to it. Just too many details that no one could have invented.

He certainly doesn’t seem to have modified his behavior at all.

23. marisacat - 24 January 2007

bay.. oh yeah I agree. It appalls me how people gloss over his speech at the Confederate Memorial. And let’s get real, our foreign wars are racist wars. I say we are not past the old Slave Patrollers.

Just his spring he sang the praises of Cap Weinberger at his passing. Think WSJ published that one. Love how people think Webb goes into the lions Den.

I see Webb and Sestak… and others as the soft rise of the Right Wing, cleaned up, re-established inside the Democratic party (not that it is new), Van Hollen today is talking how the DCCC plan is that freshman for 06 and o8 will be told they can ‘vote their district”.

Jsut coded language that the Boll Weevils are back. And they let go of Vietnam, iirc, only at the end. Not til then. And getting them to declench was pivotal.

Trapped forever.

24. marisacat - 24 January 2007

Poor Jerome. Stll wants to suck up for the FP. He could not believe he did not ascend to the Mount Olympus in fall of 05.

And the game now is so split he needs to suck up to them all.

Frankly, well past time to laugh AT him.

25. colleen - 24 January 2007

I did think it had the ring of truth to it. Just too many details that no one could have invented.

Oh absolutely, I’m quite certain it wasn’t invented. Bob Johnson tells me that Armando has been ‘married’ enough times that the question of his marital status isn’t relevant. The disturbing and depressing thing is that Armando has children and a 5 year old daughter with the woman McJoan has replaced.
The emails all contained the contents of Armando’s address book; the news of his and McJoan’s tacky affair went out to, oh, Charlie Cook, TNJ, Little Green Footballs, Andrew Sullivan, Ariannia Huffington and numerous senate staffers to name just a few. It was a large addy book and, quite apart from Armando and McJoan’s tacky love life, is such an interesting read that I’ve saved and archived it. I just know it will come in handy some day. Do write if you would like a copy.

26. JJB - 24 January 2007


Yes, they always do that. Frankly, I think he threatens them with banning, or maybe (in Jerome’s case) cutting whatever ad revenue is sent his way, so they’ll do this grovelling act for him. It really is disgusting to see, and embarrassing for the people who are forced to do it. And of course, you can get banned for uprating people he and his tools trollrate. BTW, his insistence he’s never had administrative power to ban people is a lie. It happened to me in one thread where I was uprating his victims and giving him and mcjoan (who was on duty with him at that point in time) a couple of zeros for their own Anglo-Saxon filled insults. By that time I had deleted all my diaries and hadn’t put up a comment in a few months, so it really made no difference. But after only about 10 minutes in the thread, I tried to rate something and “poof!” my rating ability was gone.

27. cad - 24 January 2007

jerome’s plea on how to deal with BTD was hilarious. as if BTD’s borderline psychosis could be cured by treating him like some kind of legal eagle. or to put in his terms:

you are wrong.

i am right.

you are not a serious person.

28. aemd - 24 January 2007

“As the Daley machine strengthens”

Yeah, I got a bad feelin’ about that. Too under the radar, too contrived.

29. JJB - 24 January 2007


Oh, I’d love a copy. Email or snail mail?

30. supervixen - 24 January 2007

colleen, I’d like a copy too. You can send it to feministsupervixens AT yahoo.com.

I’m extremely concerned about the fate of the “ex-wife”. Has anyone heard from, or about, her?

JJB: spiderleaf had a very similar experience just recently – she said something Armando didn’t like, and was suddenly banned from posting/rating. No warning, no nothing.

They are abusive, domineering thugs. And liars, too.

31. wu ming - 24 January 2007

BTW, are you colleen or the other colleen at bootrib?

32. colleen - 24 January 2007

JJB….I’ll send it via email. I’m not sure if I saved your address so please send a note to colleen (at) blarg (dot) net and I’ll reply. I may even have saved the original onslaught of emails.

sv, I’ll send it. I was concerned about the wife and the 5 year old and but there does not appear to be a way to contact her…at least not via the plethora of blogs she had started.

Wu Ming…on Martin’s blog I am The Other Colleen

33. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 January 2007

Hey Bay, agree with you on Webb’s populism, though Teach313 and Booman are working to set me straight.

34. marisacat - 24 January 2007

awww. quite the exchange. Thanks for the link… Who am I reminded of?

OH YES! Teacherken… who affects kindly old(er) teacher. And really a union operative (fine) and a Dem consultant (with paychecks out of DC) and tootles around ol’ virginnie peddling the soft soap.

Sounds like a crop of operators. And those suggestible souls at the receiving end of an Armando email.

And getting their drinkies paid for Tuesday evenings.

Sorry to laugh. But the chug chug chug of the tugboats all over the online gushing (should be blushing!) retail politics is really old.

35. Miss Devore - 24 January 2007

MCAT, j’adore your little un-cathouse here.

36. marisacat - 24 January 2007

BTW, according to a Bowers piece on the resolutions iwth teeth (Dodd and Feingold) Webb voted against in committee today. As did Casey. Wow huge surprise!

Big talker. And aligned iwth the handmaiden party, as a “one they bagged”. Like Casey.

In terms of individual Democratic votes, I am very disappointed in Democratic freshman–especially Webb. This is pretty stunning after his speech last night.

I didn’t expect much more from Casey and Nelson. I certainly expected a lot more from Cardin–maybe the Mfume people were right about him, but one vote is not the whole story.

[no but it starts ti fill in the story, the one we all yelled but no you all did not hear]

Boxer and Feingold typically rock. Also, say what you will about him, but Menendez is one of the best voting Democrats in the Senate–possibly top five. And good for Obama on this one. Further, when you look at his actions over the past year, Kerry seems to have clearly seen the light on Iraq

According to Bowers, Biden organsied the opposition to the resolutions with a tooth or two. So like him.

The whole thing is laughable. WIndow dressing. Masses of Boll Weevils loose on the floor of the window…. 😉

37. JJB - 25 January 2007


If you’re still doing battle with Teach313 (is that teacherken?), you should point out that the “Main Street v. Wall Street” meme he so proudly touts is right out of the philosophy of the late GOP Ohio Senator Robert Taft, who was about as far from a progressive as it’s possible to get. Compared to him, Ike was Robert LaFollette.

Mark my words, though, Webb will be running for President in 2008, whether he formally declares or “allows” and “independent” draft movement to push him into contention.


Thanks, I have sent you an email. I’ll be out of town and pretty much computerless until Sunday afternoon, but I look forward to reading the material then. BTW, I notice that BTD has posted nearly 500 comments in roughly 36 hours. The last 100 or so have almost no ratings, it seems he’s exhausted even the Armandildos with this spree.

38. marisacat - 25 January 2007

oh no I di d not mean that anyone IS teacherken… just that sometimes the commentary online (the breakdown of the Webb speech, for one) smacks of more than a mere thread commenter.

Oh I hope Webb gets the idea he should run. It would be clark all over again (who likely will enter, or so I hear). WOund way too tight.

I would get out the old OG&P. And sit back.

39. marisacat - 25 January 2007

Cardin is on Wash Journal. He only signed onto the Biden Resolution.

LOL On the shoals. Be interesting to see what they do…

40. Fred Zimmerman - 25 January 2007

Pepe Escobar fans may want to know that his GLOBALISTAN: HOW THE GLOBALIZED WORLD IS DISSOLVING INTO LIQUID WAR is up and available on Amazon.com and via Nimble Books:



41. supervixen - 25 January 2007

I don’t like Webb, but he is what he is. What I really don’t like is the blithering fanboy garbage from people who should be smart enough to know better. They are WAY too eager to worship the “macho military man” image. And I mean worship. Is this the legacy of 9/11: even the “progressives” in the US slide ever further rightward, toward fascism and worship of the military?

I’d think that intelligent people would be going the opposite direction, away from the military and the tough swaggering attitude that has dragged us into the Iraq quagmire.

42. marisacat - 25 January 2007

Well the nation fell into line for the military under Reagan. And never got out of line. Plenty don’t care for it, but the language about in the land (traitor under the breath for decades now, it just ratchet upwards post Vietnam, but never gone) is very offensive.

And all the elected Dems signed on big time for war. Myself, I regard the vote for IRW to be jiggered. If their district might turn on them for voting for the war, they were “allowed” to vote against.

But myself, I believe they all signed on.

Webb is ntohing but a winger militarist… and it is a sign of how far gone the nation is that liberals shore him up.

I think the Dems packed the election as best they could with secure votes for the future wars. And certainly a ton of little Murthas, secure for the MIC. And are doing it again for 08.

That closing graf I took from the Edwards at Herziliyah is I am sure the regular chat.

43. supervixen - 25 January 2007

Well then, we are truly screwed.

It’ll be interesting to see how Webb squares his “populist” position on the middle-class and the economy with all the military expenditures that will be required for a society at constant war.

44. marisacat - 25 January 2007

LOL oh he has a long history of “all for the military”. I honestly believe much of this grew from pure pique at not being listened to when he argued agaisnt iraq invasion.

Sorry I think his populism, when he is off the soap box, is mostly sham. Talks a good line. But so does Dobbs. And veyr handy for the Dems as they sell out sell out sell out.

he is a Reaganite.

Reagan was a Pied Piper, but he did nothing for “the little man”.

45. NYCO - 25 January 2007

Off topic, but this is the FUNNIEST thread I have read on Big Orange in quite some time.


Yes… the netroots are feeling the need to go on strike for their rights.

(Cause you got to FIGHT for your RIGHT to Par-TAY.)

46. marisacat - 25 January 2007

oh thanks for that. Whenever Stoller Bowers et al get pissy its cuz the Big Liberal Billionaires “don’t get it”. meaning they are not being funded… as the boyz think they should be.

They need to ask Daddy Kos and Daddy Jerome for some trickle down.

The funniest thing the other day was Stoller grandly said that BlogPAC helped fund YKos (among a short list of checks they have cut to aid the progressive CAUSE!), or Slurp in the Desert, as I call it….

Which was funded. By, what else?, Dem orgs in DC and Dem Party orgs.

Such beggars. SO tired.

They really want to evade coming under FEC scrutiny, IMO.

47. supervixen - 25 January 2007

Oh man, that IS funny. I love this bit:

I could make a fucking fortune in politics if I waned [sic] to. You think someone with my skills isn’t in demand right now? You think there aren’t dozens of places that would hire me?

Little bloggyboys need to get over themselves just a tad.

48. NYCO - 25 January 2007

Actually I feel sort of sorry for the Children of the Revolution… it’s been, how many years now? and the light is only just dawning on them that they’ve been shoveling money into the political elites’ hole and they just can’t LIVE this way any longer!

This thread is like watching them reinvent the wheel.

My favorite comment is “We need grants and subsidies… but we need to establish a progressive think tank to provide the money first! Darn!”

49. marisacat - 25 January 2007

I loved the DHinMI interjection. From inside DC.

So cute…

If I stand still for minute here i might work up a laugh…

50. NYCO - 25 January 2007

I know, aren’t they cute? Planning their little strike… without any real knowledge of how strong their own numbers are and how many “scabs” would be willing to take their place. (since few people really know how many bloggers there are out there)

I tried to lay one of Alinsky’s rules on them, but I don’t think they’re at that point yet.

51. marisacat - 25 January 2007

It REALLY is so amusing.

52. NYCO - 25 January 2007

From the thread:

“Here, online, there are no gates to crash”

I THINK we’ve reached a tipping point. 🙂 How long did that take?

53. supervixen - 25 January 2007

It reminds me of all those gangster movies in which the young punks say, hey, why are we kissing the asses of the Big Guys – we can do business on our own! Oh ha ha ha. Never ends well.

54. marisacat - 25 January 2007

apparently there was a memo. MlOngman whining for lack of being taken care of.

The whole thing is so transparent.

We did retail work for you, we fucked the little net roots comenters (everytime Dkos pulled our chains we got the old equipment out!), we were willing box cars, we took shit/emails/love/whatever from Armando/DH/Kos/whoever and you… you … you


Why not? Call me.

Now I am laughing. Really hard.

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