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Everything and the kitchen sink Open Thread: Whaddup wid de Boyz??? 13 February 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Abortion Rights, Big Box Blogs, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Lie Down Fall Down Dems, Sex / Reproductive Health.


I must say they seem in a bit of a messy meltdown.  Even for them, star melters.  Link to the previous thread:  La Louche’s Open Thread

Hey go for it… 🙂  I have been called worse…

While I am at it, whaddup with an online (an outspoken one!… can we say outspoken?) feminist assisting the Democrats for Life (a scurrilous organisation!) with 95/10, a fake bill to subvert abortion rights.  A true snake in the grass piece of legislation???  From a Trojan Horse org???

From D Throat from the previous thread:  99. D. Throat – 13 February 2007

… a snip from the comment:

”This is why Amanda was hired”:

  Compromise” means time to blather about women’s morality, but still not about men

Published by Amanda Marcotte October 3rd, 2006 in Abortion Rights

As I indicated yesterday, I think the 95-10 legislation is a good bill for pro-choicers. Since we are pro-choice, we have supported women’s right to choose how she wants to manage her reproductive life. Choice means it’s on the woman; whatever her reasons, they are hers and not ours to use political means to constrain.* That means if women are making choices that they don’t feel are optimal, we pro-choicers want to find out how we can help them make the best choices for them. [snip]


Here is moiv writing on 95/10 (one of several articles over many months) and Democrats For Life America last September:

Why should such a compassionate program have had to wait so long for a sponsor?

Maybe it’s because 95-10 calls for preventing pregnancy, but mentions contraception only in regard to failure rates — anti-choice dog whistle code for “abstinence-only.”  Maybe it’s because 95-10 also calls for the imposition of repressive legislation upon every physician in the country. Maybe it’s because 95-10 mandates federal funding for a nationwide network to funnel unsuspecting women seeking information about abortion into crisis pregnancy center “ministries.”

Maybe it’s because most Democrats have scruples about crawling into bed with Concerned Women for America, Priests for Life, the March for Life, the Conservative Congregational Christian Conference, Lutherans for Life, CareNet, Heartbeat International, Project Rachel, the “abortion is genocide” Abortion in Black America, Life Issues Institute, LifeSite, Joe Scheidler’s Pro-Life Action League, Americans United for Life, the American Life League’s Stop Planned Parenthood International, Human Life International, Feminists for Life, National Right to Life, and the same Life Dynamics that lists every provider of abortion care in the country as “American Death Camps” — all of them directly linked from the DFLA site.  

Maybe it’s because DFLA opposes embryonic stem cell research. Maybe it’s because DFLA is still spreading the discredited lie that abortion causes breast cancer. Maybe it’s because DFLA officers publicly refused to support the Democratic presidential ticket in 2004, calling John Kerry the “Hitler of the Unborn.”  

Yes, maybe those are some of the reasons — the same reasons that DFLA is a Trojan donkey. [snip]

So whaddup Amanda?

more to come…


UPDATE, 11:24 am

Danny Glover at Nat Journal’s Beltway Blogroll has an update with a smatter of reactions.  Geraghty, a rightie, however, a lot of truth in there…

From Jim Geraghty of The Hillary Spot, reacting to the news that Pandagon blogger Amanda Marcotte resigned from the campaign of Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards:

”Presuming it was a genuine resignation … if you’re a Democratic candidate, don’t the netroots look like heavily shaken nitroglycerin right about now? Think about it, you embrace them, they embarrass you by alienating a demographic you’re courting; you consider firing them, they raise hell and promise campaigns of vengeance; you stand by them, take the hit … and then they quit on you, and everybody thinks you fired them anyway. With scenarios like this floating around, how in the world is embracing the blogs worth the trouble?”

I would add that it still appears that, whatever they may or may not have done w/r/t to her conciliatory writings about the DFLA right wing Trojan Horse Dems… the Edwards campaign did not read Pandagon, at all.

I think the whole thing is a certifiable mess.  And Donohue gained power and recognition (as if he needed it) for the coming season.

From Bowers via Glover:

Chris Bowers of MyDD: “Overall, I can’t help but think that all of the netroots] work [in defending Marcotte] has gone for naught, and nothing will change for the better the next time this happens. And now the progressive blogosphere will look really bad, mostly for encouraging people involved in politics to act like normal humans.”


Further… thanks to aemd in the thread, Donohue is not done.  Just preparing the Bar B Q I would say, from his site, a snip:

“It is not enough that one foul-mouthed anti-Christian bigot, Amanda Marcotte, has quit. Melissa McEwan must go as well. Either Edwards shows her the door or she bolts on her own. There is no third choice—the Catholic League will see to it that this issue won’t go away.

Did Amanda think that appeasing (well, what was that, above??) the DFLA meant something?  Honestly, one wonders why she wrote so approvingly of their bill.  Easy enough to find out what was up and what was down with the DFLA people – and 95/10…  Many of whom are Catholics… Last I looked ( will poke around) Bob Casey Jr’s brother, Pat, was on the advisory board…  

Ah yes… serpent to the bosom.  You just cannot get Democrats to wise up.  As Donohue cuts down his harlot women.  Edwards and Eliz are still lost in the fake placid Apple Pie 50s… white Christian Do Gooder Southerners when the day is done… And, most nominally Dem party apparatchik bloggers are still staring, all agog, at the chocolate fountains, high above Las Vegas, that Warner knew enough to provide.



From BlueMass… hmmm.. I rather think her post on Children of Men was the least of it. Donohue stated he would not stop…. nor has he… But, here is BM take:

And the saga continues.  Amanda Marcotte, the Pandagon blogger whose writings about religion sent rabid rightists Michelle Malkin and Bill Donohue over the edge recently, and whom John Edwards decided not to fire over the flap, has now resigned from the Edwards campaign.

Marcotte, it turns out, didn’t stop blogging at Pandagon once she took the Edwards job.  Yesterday, she published a review of the movie “Children of Men,” in which she wrote:

The Christian version of the virgin birth is generally interpreted as super-patriarchal, where god is viewed as so powerful he can impregnate without befouling himself by touching a woman, and women are nothing but vessels.

Tame stuff, by comparison to what she had published before.  Problem is, this time she published it while she was on Edwards’ payroll.  Predictably, that sent Bill Donohue into another tizzy, and this time Marcotte decided to bolt.  Melissa McEwen, it should be noted, has not resigned and remains on the Edwards campaign. [snip]

I see that Blue Mass posts that the “lesson” is stop blogging when you are paid by a camp.  I think the lesson, if there is a new one in this right wing winning tsunami, is figure out what you want.  And for campaigns to vet.

I mean, how fucking hard is it?


UPDATE, 12:12 pm

Well, ABC calls it Breaking News

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:




UPDATE… 1:20 pm

I can barely type for laughing… from a pyrrho comment to his I wuz banned by Daddy post at MLW (I am just catching up… sorry, I really DON’T actively, religiously read the Blahgs, Dkos, etc., then MLW, BMT and other box car sites… they are SO predictable):

sorry, cat, I do not recall that one.  And I think your cat memory my have failed you a bit… me pleding loyalty to DelawareDem is HIGHLY unlikely.  HIGHLY. Same with the liberalism, due to how I define that wrt “progressivism”.

I posted it a few days ago…masses of people having already emailed me (starting the previous weekend) as to who LV is.  Unless P just pledges loyalty to any drifter Roman… hell maybe he does.

 LSF (1+ / 0-)

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Lucius Vorenus

you have no idea how big that rift is if you really mean that.

LSF to dKos?

I’ve tried to bridge that myself, did so as the gap widened during the pie wars, and have friends and enemies suspicious of my loyalties as a result.

NEWS: I’m loyal to you, the nation, liberalism. I want what is best, which is a coalition with paths and bridges between factions.

strong infrastructure and fair play

by pyrrho on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 03:48:16 PM PST

[ Parent ]

when the above, with its parent, was first sent to me, it was only the reply from Pyrrho and the parent.  Since then about 50 coments come between.  Click on parent and ….

This is the parent:

 I think we all are tearing each other apart (23+ / 0-)

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over complete and total nonsense.  

I think we all, as basic ideological or partisan allies, have differences of opinion from time to time.  And sometimes these differences can spark into longlasting feuds.  

We are using the same tactics against each other that the Republicans have used against us for decades.  We are holding the same animus against each other than we hold towards those same Republicans.  

We need to put down the knives and realize, we are friends and allies first and foremost.

Markos.  MSOC.  BTD.  Booman.  LSF.  and on and on.  

You are all natural allies.  Not enemies.

Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc

I support Barack Obama for President.


by Lucius Vorenus on Fri Feb 09, 2007 at 01:30:07 PM PST


DO they ALL post drunk?  And what is the deal with loyalty to a Dem Party organiser?  And, please note the word, liberalism.

What is it with Amanda Marcotte, the ”great” anti religious, anti Catholic pushing crap legislation that HURTS WOMEN, legislation from the DFLA?  DFLA is riddled iwth Catholics…

Yes, whaddup in the fields of the money grubbers… a grub is a sort of worm.

Fits. And, in reply to the posit from DD/LV, I am not a natural ally of the worms.  Just the way it is…

I am not well understood by marisacat, but usually she has her quotes organized better. I hope to see this one, there is always SOMETHING to it, either I said something she could construe that way, or else someone else said it.

I would refer pyrrho to the email I sent him when he was banned from Mcat..  It fleshed out an item alluded to in the post I did about the banning.

Dkos and related sites are operative infestations.  Loaded with hangers on, wannabes, people who want sex or jobs or gigs or referrals or any number of things from the operatives, whips and thugs.

“Saving the nation”… used over and over by all of them, is way way down the list.

Not exactly news frankly.


UPDATE 3:40 pm

MyDD is still wondering… but hopping mad that Obama apologised.  In the midst of his “remarkable run” he apologises for “wasted” lives…  

They still muddle thru… wondering.  Who had The Bloggers apologise?  Who made Durbin apologise for reading, on the floor of the US senate (where better?), FOIA’d FBI cables about Gitmo?  (with placating speeches right after from Feinstein and Obama)???

As colleen posted in a comment here the other day… the Dems are hung like aphids.

And the Boyz polish the aphids.  Kinda pathetic.  Oh yes, they shout and scream.  For attention.

ADDENDUM: colleen says “Democrats are hung like aphids” was Steven Colbert… We give credit!  Where credit is due! 

Even when they scream…  🙂


UPDATE, 3:45 pm

Number 2 goes down (emphasis is mine).

I regret to say that I have also resigned from the Edwards campaign. In spite of what was widely reported, I was not hired as a blogger, but a part-time technical advisor, which is the role I am vacating.

I would like to make very clear that the campaign did not push me out, nor was my resignation the back-end of some arrangement made last week. This was a decision I made, with the campaign’s reluctant support, because my remaining the focus of sustained ideological attacks was inevitably making me a liability to the campaign, and making me increasingly uncomfortable with my and my family’s level of exposure.


UPDATE, 5:40 pm

Poor Bowers.  Misses the point.  In his entry about the Mellissa McEwen resignation he has this graf:

[Y]ou know what? I don’t want Hillary Clinton to apologize for her war vote anymore, because I am sick of Democrats apologizing. You know what else? I think someone, maybe BlogPac, should produce some sort of guide for independent bloggers with no experience working on statewide or presidential campaigns both what they should expect and what they should demand when they are first hired. Clearly, this wasn’t something that Amanda and Melissa wanted to do. Then again, this entire experience might make such a guide moot, considering how much publicity this received online. [snip]

hmm.  Boyo, it is Democratic voters and Ind. voters (still want some of them?) who find her eazy squeezy ‘cap the troops / get out of Iraq / without really acknowledging my vote’ who want the apology from her, as she asks primary voters to FUCKING BELIEVE HER..

But you keep it up.  The hall mark of an informed electorate is demanding acocuntability from the elected.

Not a thing operatives bother with much.

Here is what they DO bother with:   All choked up over Blue Dog Patrick Murphy’s speech about Iraq on the floor of the House (it made him feel better about the Blogosphere)… Bowers hits the ATM:

[W]hen I saw Patrick Murphy on swearing in day, back on January 4th, I moved to shake his hand. Instead of shaking my hand, he gave me a big hug. You guys played a big role helping him win, by less than 2,000 votes, with the $165K you raised for him on Act Blue. Now, you can be the first person to donate to his re-election campaign at the new Dailykos / MyDD / Swing State project Blue majority page

Speeches are cheap. Murphy has done jack shit as of a few weeks in (sworn in Jan 4)…  But be sure to pay him.

Fools, born constantly they are…


UPDATE, 6:30 pm

 ms_xeno, probably rightly, commented in the thread below, that when The Boyz outed my very distressed words left at a devotional site in the late Nineties… that they thought commenters here would be appalled.  At me, being religious.

I never saw the need to correct whatever paint the Boyz threw at me… but let me elevate my comment in relpy to mx_xeno:

48. marisacat – 13 February 2007[Edit]
oh but I am not religious. Oppps sorry. I never saw the need to “correct” the boyz.I was at the end of my tether. I turned to an idiosyncratic site, that relates to a church in paris I love (France is so free of the horror of religion, the remnants, architecture, etc., but not the whackos). And I lit a few candles, lost it in a few words…

There are two things I do in churches the candles and the water, esp if in a large clam shell… When my father was dyiong, I would stop at Sts Peter and Paul in No Beach, where marilyn was married and bring fresh clean wash clothes dipped in the holy water fonts to his bedroom…

I am more or less an animist, all things have a soul or the fire within. And I am superstitious. I was baptised Catholic, but we are not believers. Mother was soemthing around agnostic/atheist but declined definition. Father lapsed Catholic, former, unabused, altar boy.

I love the relics and the talismans. When I fly I have all manner of little Mexican handmade religious “charms” with me… More superstition.

I love Rome as you can go into, for instance, St PEter in Chains and in the basements is a Temple to Mithra.

But I was at the end of my tether in 98/99. MY mothers death, the actual two days it took to die, was horrific. Hospice failed me. My mother choked to death over almost 9 hours. Another 12 -18 hours for the pacemaker to stop. The Hospice night nurse never came as my mother choked to death and I had sent the LVN home, expecting the hospice last hours assistance. It never came.

And yes, sure the Boyz saw to it I remembered all of that.

FUCK THEM. I don’t whine




1. ms_xeno - 13 February 2007

I’ve got five dollars that says if you went over there and complained about this, you’d get some response along the lines of “Well, at least we’re DOING SOMETHING ! All YOU DO is COMPLAIN !!”

Because crawling into bed with pro-lifers at the behest of a pandering Democrat and helping him create astroturf to scam feminists with is clearly so much more constructive than sitting at home “doing nothing,” Drawing a line in the sand and saying that you can not be made to cross it by anyone is “doing nothing,” but deceiving the people whose cause you wrap yourself in –for money– is “doing something.”

How much did you get for your soul indeed. >:

2. Miss Devore - 13 February 2007

Juan Cole’s headline today:

“139 Killed, as Iraqi Public Doubts Security Plan”

The new security plan bearing a striking resemblance to the old one.

Did they ever get anywhere with building a moat around Baghdad, as was once discussed?

3. marisacat - 13 February 2007

Mss Devore… think the moat was eventually traded for a helo pad on every US owned/operated or a hotel wtih a good bar inside the GZ… And armaments, anti aircraft munitions, and so on…

Talk about a planet – much more than a gated community – within a city.

ms_xeno Gotta say, it stinks. I read Pandagon in late 2005 and into the spring of 2006. Jedmonds more or less moved on around late March, popped in a bit but, really, was gone. I blogrolled Pandagon as he blogrolled me (they have separate blogrolls over there).

But as I have said before, Amanda’s writings soon became sexual astroturf for me (rather like Msoc screams, sorry borring!, on cue, not authentic, afaiac). But then I am not 29 (think Amanda is around that). No slam on her in that sense.

But sorry, borrring… if you have been around…

Then again neither am I sell out.

I think this got very messy inside the Edwards camp. And certainly it would explain the hire. Just as “Maura in VA” who posed as an independent Democratic voter / activist / cblogger but was a paid union liaison to campaigns… tactically endorsed Kaine late. After resolving, so the paid operative said, her conerns.

Amanda cannot complain she does not know how to google. People like moiv and bayprairie have been writing about 95/10 for two years.

And this would appear to explain what may have been ”vetted” by the campaign. Because this was never a “fit” on the face of it. I suspect more wil come out.

I think we are in an extended leak season.

4. marisacat - 13 February 2007

Chris Floyd (another banned blogger, from the DKos squish joint) on the Dirty Anglo American War in Iraq

“Do you remember the right-wing execution squads in El Salvador?” a former high-level intelligence official said to Hersh. “We founded them and we financed them. The objective now is to recruit locals in any area we want. And we aren’t going to tell Congress about it.” A Pentagon insider added: “We’re going to be riding with the bad boys.” Another role model for the expanded dirty war cited by Pentagon sources, said Hersh, was Britain’s brutal repression of the Mau Mau in Kenya during the 1950s, when British forces set up concentration camps, created their own terrorist groups to confuse and discredit the insurgency, and killed thousands of innocent civilians in quashing the uprising.

Bush’s formal greenlighting of the death-squad option built upon an already securely-established base, part of a larger effort to turn the world into a “global free-fire zone” for covert operatives, as one top Pentagon official told Hersh. For example, in November 2002 a Pentagon plan to infiltrate terrorist groups and “stimulate” them into action was uncovered by William Arkin, then writing for the Los Angeles Times. The new unit, the “Proactive, Pre-emptive Operations Group,” was described in the Pentagon documents as “a super-Intelligence Support Activity” that brings “together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence and cover and deception.”

5. supervixen - 13 February 2007

Good Goddess Almighty, deliver us from these fake little “feminist” sellouts. Thank you.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 February 2007

Hiring indigenous killers is an old American tactic. Reservation police were often used to silence trouble makers, like the assassination of Sitting Bull in response to the Ghost Dance, and up to and including the second Battle at Wounded Knee, where trumped-up charges were used to imprison Leonard Peltier as an political prisoner in our internal gulag with the help of tribal police.

7. Tuston - 13 February 2007

I have heard that the black police were some of the most brutal enforcers of apartheid in SA, and I’ve seen first hand how the mestizo Border Patrol agents treat Mexicans.

Divide and Conquer is an old strategem that neither Machiavelli nor Sun Tzu invented, but the old white guys in washington sure have employed endlessly.

8. D. Throat - 13 February 2007
9. D. Throat - 13 February 2007

Boehner teared up before reporters as he listened to Rep. Sam Johnson, R-Texas, describe being a prisoner of war in Vietnam and learning of U.S. protests back home.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., insisted that they had no intention of impeding the mission of those in Iraq.There will be no defunding of troops in the field. There will be no defunding which will cause any risk to the troops,” he said at a news conference.

Amanda must ask herself was it worth it…

10. marisacat - 13 February 2007

DT, judging from the first lines, Punkass is being hit with DOS attacks. hmmm.

But reading the Amanda post… 100 emails in 12 hours.??? Oh that is just pissed off people, that is not a Donohue swarm.

Again, The Bloggers and MYDD/others never understood what they were up against in Donohue. Now he and his backers are major players right at the start of the “promise season” (Amanda being an hors d’oeuvre). More interesting would be to know the communications from Donohue/others to Catholics working the Edwards/other campaigns.

Well one to watch.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 February 2007

Edwards might as well quit now, as the right has his number, and know he will fold under pressure.

12. D. Throat - 13 February 2007

Well I still can’t figure out why some people want to earn money from people and institutions that are polar opposites of their beliefs and values… and think that they can be untouched. They really shouldn’t take Kos as an example because his views are not in opposition to the GOP backed think tanks and Corporate raiders… Kos is not bothered taking money from Chevron and …. he fucking voted for their proposition… people should really by now get a clue….

If Amanda really believes in pro choice then don’t fucking get into bed with Democrats for Life…kay? Because in the end… no one likes you.

13. ms_xeno - 13 February 2007

…Time to wake up and smell reality—real bigots follow the siren call of the fascist right wing. Why would they even bother with liberals and all our equality and human rights and other tedious ideas?…

From the Punkass page.

And yet, and yet… Amanda is now touting DFL’s. So, how does that work ? She decides who the “good” Right-Wingers are and the rest of us are expected to follow along lest we have to deal with another sneer session about how we’re obsessed with “purity” and “not doing anything but complaining ?”

If I vote Green, I’m an intransigent menace to feminism, but she shills for a warmonger and aparently can’t, in her epic post about the bill, say whether or not she is doing her shilling at Edwards’ behest ?

I feel had. I tried to go easy on her and McEwen when I wrote my SMBIVA column last week. I should have just let it rip. >:

14. JJB - 13 February 2007

For no good reason, I decided to check out the medicationless psycho war otherwise known as Daily Kos and see what some of my favorite sociopaths were up to. I was not disappointed:

What [pyrrho posted (7+ / 0-)

what MSOC allowed, what pyrrho did today, was a dare .. . apparently the dare was met.

MOSC and pyrrho I considered good friends until a few days ago.

Their behavior of the past few days, and I sdo not mean MSOC’s blogroll diary, made that utterly evaporate.

To promote for FP treatment the malicious lies of a pathoological liar and to promote this bald attempt at pett revenge by a despicabloe piece of crap named peeder is so beyond the pale, that I lost all repsect for the bith of them.

As someone who has strenuously defended bioth for a long time, I feel an utter fool. pyrrho’s communications to me, his defense of a piece of crap over someone who has been hisos friend and colleague for more than ay ear was an utter personal betrayl.

And MSOC was the cause of it all.

That she wriote THIS diary now, as if she does nit understand what happened is so dishoinest, so dispicable, that a new low is reached today at this site.

I truly believe that this is beyond repair and rightly so.

If this were my bloog, MSOC would be banned.

by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 03:31:16 AM EST

you need to take a break, BTD (18+ / 0-)

you’re getting so worked up that it’s showing in your typing.

seriously, take a break, get some rest, and come back tomorrow when you’re a bit cooled off. you’re taking this all way too personaally, and way too intensely for anyone’s good, including your own.

by wu ming on Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 04:02:05 AM EST

Oh, that wu ming is an innocent one! Gory details to be found here. At this rate, pyrrho may end up being persona non grata in more places than David Byron.

BTW, I haven’t looked into that supposed breakthrough deal with the North Korean’s, but from cursory reading, it sounds a great deal like the deal Clinton negotiated with them that wingnuts have always condemned as an odious sellout and appeasement of tyranny. I guess the difference is that unlike Clinton, BushCo. didn’t agree to give them light-water nuclear reactors, and (also unlike Clinton) BushCo. has agreed to pursue the normalization of relations.

Major points of the tentative deal to be found here. What this means is anyone’s guess, I do find it typical that the Bush Administration has just reversed field about making deals with terrorist regimes/AxisOfEvil members at a moment many suspect it’s about to attack Iran. This is good news, I suppose, though you have to wonder about a regime that lurches so violently from one position to another, even if it ends up doing something beneficial.

15. D. Throat - 13 February 2007

To see why Democrats fail ALL OF THE TIME… I suggest reading the interview of David Brock former Log Cabin Republican who started Media Matters.

His claim to fame was writing a smear piece on Anita Hill for that he was highly paid and honored in the GOP. What was interesting about this piece he said that the more outrageous and bold you were defending the GOP values the more kudos you recieved which always translated into money.

The Democrats do just the opposite… every single fucking dairy on Kos calls for moderation and temperance. Impeachment is too bold, so is the filibuster, peace marches, single issues, compromise should be sought for abortion, etc. etc. etc… it is ridiculous…. and they wonder who and why their supported Dems became Blue Dogs…. it is a joke.

16. aemd - 13 February 2007

Donohue ain’t giving up. Now he wants Shakes head on the platter. This is gettin’ ugly. He’s gonna have Edwards jumping at the snap of his fingers.


Bill Donohue, the face of the US Catholic Church. A vile and ugly face. Guys like him are deciding the future of womens health care. We’re screwed.

17. ms_xeno - 13 February 2007

I didn’t know David Brock was behind Media Matters, but it’s a good page. Very accessable w/o being glib. And I did read his book.

What pisses me off above all else is that all the nasty tricks and violations of the democratic spirit which Democrats cannot/will not use against the GOP– they use those against outsiders like Romanelli. A fucking pro-choice candidate, and they kneecapped him and bankrupted him. Not a whimper over it from the good li’l feminists like Amanda, I’ll wager. One of her regulars summed up the attitude on the ground nicely when I brought up our own Secretary of State’s manipulations that forced Nader down to write-in status in ’04: “I don’t much care.”

IOW, they need something smaller and weaker to pick on, to console themselves because their own masters treat them like shit.

“I don’t much care.”

18. Sabrina Ballerina - 13 February 2007

D. Throat, you are so right. They attempt to bully their own members, but bow down to the bullies who bully them.

Can’t find a link right now – in a rush – but I read earlier this morning that the attacks on Edwards’ campaign by the fundies have now extended to Obama’s and another of the Dem candidates. Apparently they have both received a challenge to condemn Amanda’s ‘anti-Catholic’ statements. They will drag all Dem candidates into this, as was predictable.

These people are not capable of playing in the big leagues. They are good at running good Democrats off their sites but their own personal ambitions have caused them to go down on bended knee to get a pat on the head from rightwingers never understanding that all that did was to prove their weakness.

Now their petty personal ambitions (which is all that site is about now) have opened wide a door for the fundies to storm right through. While they were busy with Meta wars, the fundies were organizing against them. Typical.

All over the blogosphere Dem sites are fighting each other with DK banniing and shunniing their own. I hope the banning of Pyrrho shows others that even those they call ‘friends’ will be kicked to the gutter at the whim of one of them.

It’s been painful to watch the personal stuff, but far more important is the waste of the time of people who care not one bit about their unimportant personal lives, but who time and money into that site because they care about their country.

MLW seems to be down. The left blogosphere is not the place to get anything done regarding what ought to have been the goals of these sites. They are there as a stage for the bruised egos of a few to play out their less than interesting personal dramas.

As for the hate-mail Amanda is receiving, no different really than DD’s and PD’s garbage directed at Marisacat with the full support of the small band of thugs that operates DK. They cannot point fingers. None came forward and condemned it, rather they praised it along with the Pastor and his Christian followers.

This is two years in advance of the election and already the left is shooting themselves in the foot. Candidates would be wise to stay away from them. I imagine that will be become clear before too long.

Pyrrho thought he had a friend – one who screamed about ‘honesty’ and ‘loyalty’ and ‘truth’ but I guess he learned. There are no loyalties at that site. It is sad to watch.

19. ms_xeno - 13 February 2007

James Baldwin once wrote that people cling desperately to hatred because they know that when hatred is dropped, they will be forced to deal with their pain.

These people are at each other’s throats largely because they know, deep down, that the DP big shots are using them and don’t care about them. Of course that is horribly painful. But to face that fact would be a good start toward recovering a sense of decency within themselves and towards one another.

Sorry to go all Oprah on you, but that is how I feel about it.

20. marisacat - 13 February 2007

well the banning is, IMO, both more and less that it appears. Too much Kabuki amongst the Boyz… hard to keep up!!

I would suggest, as Public Service Announcemnt, that pyrrho seek intercession thru those to whom he pledges loyalty. Lucius Venorus is a resurrection… People can figure it out and LV is hinting all over the place…at least from comments people have been sending to me for over a week now.

21. D. Throat - 13 February 2007

They attempt to bully their own members, but bow down to the bullies who bully them.

Perfect example was Kerry… he was a nasty sonofabitch to Dean… then turned around and wimped out infront of Bush… pathetic.

There is not one bold aggressive initiative coming out of the blaghsnotsophere that upholds Democratic values…. not one. The whole tone is to STFU and PayTFU. The whole set up is now to make a few people rich and write a few books… there is absolutely nothing there.

And you are right I see no difference between how Armando and DHinMI harrass and riducule Democratic voters than O’Rielly and Beck. Pastor Dan has the same grace as Donahue and “his” Christians are just as blood thirsty and evil.

They are racist, sexist, misognists, elitist. (I don’t care how many feminisms are on the FP…no Blacks)

22. Sabrina Ballerina - 13 February 2007

Lol, ms xeno – you should have your own ‘Oprah/Dr. Phil’ show where bloggers can fulfill their exhibitionist dreams on live tv instead of wasting bandwidth on the ‘internets’.

Just heard on the news that Dusty Foggo has finally been indicted. This is in relationship to the Cunningham (Hookergate) affair. Apparently there were two indictments, didn’t catch the other but I hope it was Wilkes, the shady Defense Contractor.

If I find a link, I will post it. This case was described by Ed Rollins as the biggest corruption case to hit DC if it developed, and that it would ‘bring down’ numerous top Government officials.

Recently the US Attorney who handled the Cunningham case was asked to resign. I believe that was Carol Lam. Other US attorneys have been fired or asked to resign also. They are desperately trying to cover up the crimes, it seems.

Foggo was the #3 man at the CIA for a short while but resigned last year after the Cunningham affair – the corruption is deep in DC.

Marisacat, I have a feeling they will have to back off the attacks on MLW and Pyrrho. They already have too many battles to fight. But it will require oaths of loyalty probably signed this time. Creepy, scary people.

MLF has this message up –

Welcome to the blog. Create an account and start blogging
There are currently no front page posts

The front page is gone – last night it was filled with posts, some stating they had received pop-up warnings that their DK accounts were suspended because they uprated certain posters – it’s a trainwreck. Smaller blogs are now delinking from DK, I noticed and refusing to post links to diaries there.

I was going to post a link to a very good diary on Donohue but am reluctant to give them the hits anymore also. It confirms what you have been saying about him. Apparently he had enough power to force George Bush to condemn Bob Jones’ anti-Catholic stand.

They ought to learn who their real enemies are – they apparently don’t have a clue.

23. D. Throat - 13 February 2007

Gee another BOLD Blaghsnot Democrat:

by pastordan

The charges against Marcotte and McEwen are a wedge issue, then, and a pretty nifty one at that. But here’s the thing: I’m sick of being in the middle of it. I’m sick of being told I don’t get it or that I haven’t spoken up against the right person. My position from the beginning has been that Donohue was a h* * * * ‘* a**, and progressives, not Republican hacks, would define how we felt about the bloggers.

Mebbe Pastor Dan can write a few more words comforting Del Dem from that cunt slut bitch ….

24. marisacat - 13 February 2007

hmm I am somply going to repeat that with Pyrrho and Msoc, there is a lot of Kabuki. If the attacks back off it is for that reason.

25. marisacat - 13 February 2007

Fight song… anyone got a fight song?

But it has to have cunt bitch whore AND harpie threaded thru out…

maybe a little bubble about runt chihuahua watchdogs… (love the breed!, no really I do also miniature Dobermans, often mistaken for Chihuahuas)

Js? Where is Js when I lack for blank verse???


26. D. Throat - 13 February 2007

I figured something was up with delinking Kos because Bowers has just FP’d a diary on MyDD on the humongous number of links Daily Kos has… I won’t link to it.

27. bayprairie - 13 February 2007

yeah, im in shock on the amanda thing. i can’t believe she’d be so misinformed as to support 95-10. one doesn’t have to dig very deeply to find out 95-10 is nothing but democratic party pro-life jive. i haven’t had a chance to read the pieces though, only the blockquotes here. her site’s down at present. i plan to do some more reading in the two posts after it gets back up. its news to me. never heard a thing about those posts before last night. not even an “looksee” email.

on the snip From Jim Geraghty on the front page

With scenarios like this floating around, how in the world is embracing the blogs worth the trouble?”

the less democratic party “embrace” political bloggers in this country receive the fucking better off bloggers are! so a few A-listers lose out on some income, and invites to harlem and such. so what?

D. Throat blockquoted

Boehner teared up before reporters as he listened to Rep. Sam Johnson, R-Texas, describe being a prisoner of war in Vietnam and learning of U.S. protests back home.

Sam Johnson is batshit crazy.

Now we know where Rep. Sam Johnson (R-Texas) thinks the weapons of mass destruction are buried: in Syria, which he said he’d like to nuke to smithereens.

Speaking at a veterans’ celebration at Suncreek United Methodist Church in Allen, Texas, on Feb. 19, Johnson told the crowd that he explained his theory to President Bush and Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas) on the porch of the White House one night. Johnson said he told the president that night, “Syria is the problem. Syria is where those weapons of mass destruction are, in my view. You know, I can fly an F-15, put two nukes on ‘em and I’ll make one pass. We won’t have to worry about Syria anymore.”

The crowd roared with applause.

Im sure he’s got that tear-invoking speech down pat after all these years and can whip it out with ease.

28. liberalcatnip - 13 February 2007

What’s the relationship between that punkass site and pandagon?

29. ms_xeno - 13 February 2007

I wonder if any of these unduly elected assholes can spare a few tears for the Iraqis. Or for the vets who will come home screwed up, maimed and ripe to be shafted by their “betters” all over again. Or the ones still physically intact who will be shipped off ASAP to some fresh imperial crusade in Chile or Venezuela or…

Oh, who am I kidding ? They’re still blaming Vietnam on the horrible hippies, at least some of whom were themselves vets, for fuck’s sake. Pardon my babbling. I wish I had a bit of doggerel for you, Mcat.

lc, punkass marc is Marcotte’s partner/bf, or was last I heard.

30. liberalcatnip - 13 February 2007

Thanks, ms xeno.

I see MSOC had a post up at her place about The Drama however, she still plans to post at dkos – just not about meta issues. “The first rule of Fight Club is, you do not talk about Fight Club”.

31. D. Throat - 13 February 2007

The difference between the GOP and Dems is not that the GOP marches in lock step. IF the GOP changed places with Democrats today they would be DEMANDING free contraception in every highschool, Plan B in vending machines, PSA on sex education, abortion allowed in any and all hospitals not regulated to one or two clinics. The GOP demands 4 times what they really want and accept twice as much. Dems give up before even asking which is what this sham 95-10 bullshit is.

Look at this typical crap on MyDD in the humongus DK linkage fp.

It’s also because progressive bloggers (including myself) think their take on an issue is superior to another’s, while conservative blogs – even when they’re in power – feel under siege and the need to build up the team that liberal blogs just don’t get (also to my consternation).

Oliver Willis

In other word CAPITULATE before even trying.

All the so called librul blogs demand that the only way to ask for change …. is to not ask for it. You want reproductive freedoms … then elect anti choice “Democrats”, You want to get out of Iraq support Presidential candidates…that got us in this war in the first place…and the bar keeps getting higher and higher. Now Hilliary is saying that the Democrats can’t make a move until Dems get 60 Senate seats.

The only success Kos acheived was to stifle a nascent political voice… he should be very proud of himself “Mission Accomplished” not many people can say that.

32. ms_xeno - 13 February 2007

Oh, and Mcat, until Paine can return with help, there’s always the lyrics to Emmylou Harris’ classic: “I Don’t Have To Crawl.” I still remember her pre-MTV video that started with an innocent looking version of “Mister Sandman” and ended with “…Crawl.” The angry spouse leaves her asshole of a husband and never looks back. I guess we’re now in the liberal (U.S.) feminism bloggers’ “Mister Sandman” phase. Perhaps we will live long enough to see it mature.

When you look at me
Like you don’t know me
And you talk to me
Like you’ve never met me

I can leave you alone if i try
If I tried I could tell you goodbye

If I wanted to
I could be long gone
And I don’t have to crawl

Then you call on me
As if I should run to you
You make your move
as if I should follow you

Well I don’t have to be nobody’s fool
I won’t make no exception of you
I don’t have to be nobody’s fool
I don’t make no exception of you

I don’t have to crawl
I can just walk away
No I don’t have to crawl

I don’t have to get down on my knees

I don’t have to crawl
I can just walk away
No I don’t have to crawl

33. ms_xeno - 13 February 2007

D. Throat, Thank You so much. I’ve made the very point you make in your first paragraph, in places like Pandagon, to no avail. These people wouldn’t know “strategy” if it bit them in their hyper-conciliatory asses.

I joked to a liberal friend after Kerry’s insta-folding in ’04 that what liberals really need is to shape cranks like me into their personal version of a Far Left hit squad– sort of the opposite numbers to some clown like Fred Phelps. We could go out there and terrify the helmet-heads on FOX, and they could come in behind us, coolly informing the helmet heads that, yes, if those crazies get half of what they want, we can calm them down for you and send them home.

But I was only half-joking. Because liberals could indeed constructively use the far Left this way, if they desired to. Instead of just stomping us into the ground to impress the Right and one another with just how mature and level-headed they are. It makes me wonder if they really want justice, or just to look like the sort of people who want it. They acuse Lefties like me of treating politics like a fashion statement, but I think they need to look in the mirror. 😦

It’s why I take a hard line on electoral reform.

34. D. Throat - 13 February 2007

Obama has made his entire campaign one long conciliatory stump speech… with intermittent apologies….compare that to McCain speaking to Creationists

35. jam.fuse - 13 February 2007

agree (11.00 / 1)

what’s going on isn’t helping. I don’t want to see MLW suffer what happened to BooTrib–which in my estimation at least became the community for those who believed that DailyKos was a Reagan Republican site.

Far-Shooting Politics: http://www.hekebolos.com
by: hekebolos @ Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 02:51:11 AM PST

[ Reply | ]

Smell (7.50 / 2)

Kos is a very conservative site. It’s corny and nerdy and provincial.
Kos is from a wealthy family not a poor family. A good look at his background, from what can be made of it ….suggests an elitist portraying himself as a victim of the bloodbath in El Salvador and a person who is pro military.

Was his family involved in shennanigans with the U.S. in El Salvador?

There isn’t much information or evidence…but there’s an odor.

by: Stu Piddy @ Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 10:14:54 AM PST
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36. marisacat - 13 February 2007

Obama has made his entire campaign one long conciliatory stump speech… with intermittent apologies….compare that to McCain speaking to Creationists

Yes the Big Difference.

Shooting Party ahead… Body aprons distributed, Opera Glasses, Popcorn machine fired up..


37. rif - 13 February 2007

D. Throat and ms_xeno are spot on. It’s about shifting the Overton window.


It describes a “window” in the range of public reactions to ideas in public discourse, in a spectrum of all possible options on an issue. The Overton described a method for moving that window, thereby including previously excluded ideas, while excluding previously acceptable ideas.
The technique relies on people promoting ideas even less acceptable than the previous “outer fringe” ideas. That makes those old fringe ideas look less extreme, and thereby acceptable. By moving the limited range . Delivering rhetoric to define the window provides a plan of action to make more acceptable to the public some ideas by priming them with other ideas allowed to remain unacceptable, but which make the real target ideas seem more acceptable by comparison.

It is only after the extreme edges are defined that a middle ground can be identified. If the far right and the centrists are the only ones allowed to be heard then any proposed solution is naturally going to fall on the right. Every time the dems capitulate the political discourse gets ratcheted to the right.

38. marisacat - 13 February 2007

In my post above, I only put snips from the Pyrrho comment at MLW… but for the record, this below, is the whole with replies.

As I said, a lot of kabuki. They are all TIED to Dkos, Armando, DD other operatives. Please note that Msoc will continute ot post at Dkos. She has always believed she can push traffic from there to her site. Not really how it works, sorry…. But again, none of these poeople are the sharpest spoons in the kitchen drawer…

peering at marisacat (6.00 / 1)

62. marisacat – 12 February 2007
O spare me the fucking BULLSCHEISSE – from Pyrrho at MLW:

My relationship with private businesses is not like my relationship with my family, my nation, my species. If I’m working for that company, I do have a great deal of loyalty, but EVEN THEN, not the sort one has to a nation or cause.

Couple of threads back I post his pledge of loyalty to `Del Dem, to the nation and to liberalism”.

People can find it and figure it out. Follow “parent” link.

Why would you declare loyalty ot a Dem party organiser and an online whip for the Dkoswhack itty bitty breaking machine??

I am sorry, his push pull, bullshit in bullshit out, is old.

sorry, cat, I do not recall that one. And I think your cat memory my have failed you a bit… me pleding loyalty to DelawareDem is HIGHLY unlikely. HIGHLY. Same with the liberalism, due to how I define that wrt “progressivism”.

I am not well understood by marisacat, but usually she has her quotes organized better. I hope to see this one, there is always SOMETHING to it, either I said something she could construe that way, or else someone else said it.



by: pyrrho @ Mon Feb 12, 2007 at 21:41:45 PM PST
[ Reply ]

pyrrho, you are a marvel of a man…

It takes quite a feat to make enemies of both Markos AND marisacat…

-9.63, -7.03… If I can’t rant, I don’t want to be part of your revolution


by: Maryscott O’Connor @ Mon Feb 12, 2007 at 22:05:49 PM PST

[ Parent ]




by: pyrrho @ Mon Feb 12, 2007 at 22:11:18 PM PST

[ Parent ]

consider this

those are the only two places I’ve been banned in over 15 years!
the only two!

you see, to have them both ban me would be nothing if I went everywhere getting banned.

this is surgical being-banned-ism here.



by: pyrrho @ Mon Feb 12, 2007 at 22:16:29 PM PST

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39. Tuston - 13 February 2007

The Off Topic Express brings you this groovy graf on ganja (well, industrial hemp actually but I love alliteration):

WASHINGTON, DC — For the second time since the federal government outlawed hemp farming in the United States, a federal bill has been introduced that would remove restrictions on the cultivation of non-psychoactive industrial hemp. The chief sponsor of H.R. 1009, the “Industrial Hemp Farming Act of 2007,” is Representative Ron Paul (R-TX) and the nine original co-sponsors are Representatives Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), Barney Frank (D-MA), Raúl Grijalva (D-AZ), Maurice Hinchey (D-NY), Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), Jim McDermott (D-WA), George Miller (D-CA), Pete Stark (D-CA) and Lynn Woolsey (D-CA). The bill may be viewed online at: http://www.votehemp.com/federal.html


I doubt that this bill has much of chance of going anywhere, but I swear that the cannabis plant can help save the planet. You may say I’m a pipe-dreamer, but I’m not the only one…

40. colleen - 13 February 2007

It takes quite a feat to make enemies of both Markos AND marisacat…

What a shallow, self aggrandizing, overhyped fool that woman is.

In all fairness ‘hung like an aphid’ was not a product of my imagination. I wish it had been but it’s creator is that lovely man, Stephen Colbert

41. marisacat - 13 February 2007

ooo thanks colleen! will add that…

42. Sabrina Ballerina - 13 February 2007

Mx xeno, I took you seriously in your #33. It would make sense for Democrats to have let loose the most outspoken and fearless members of their party to take on the ditto heads and freepers. But they not only didn’t, they silenced and marginalized them as DK does. The question is why? Still a mystery to me, unless that is not the plan and everything is going along as it should. More and more, I think that is it.

Marisacat thanks for the update on the Edwards bloggers. This is truly a victory for the rightwing fundies. They will dance over the remains until the election. So much for the ambitions of other bloggers. I wouldn’t be surprised to see fewer and fewer candidates appearing at DK, especially if they begin to read over there. We know the right is reading. They do their homework.

‘Get a thicker skin’ has been the mantra of the crybabies at DK for so long. It’s easy to act tough behind a computer screen. Not so easy when they go out into the ‘reality based’ world. Laughable how they use that phrase to describe themselves. They have no clue.

43. Miss Devore - 13 February 2007

haven’t had time to catch up with the news, so I don’t know what Obama apologized for, but I guess y’all will make me eat my words. it will be with tuna, farfelle, garlic, o/o, grapefruit vinegar and parmesan, and some very dry herbs.

I was able to listen to CSPAN on the non-b resolution debate in the House at work, and it was the danger of the Caliphate over and over again, and Iraq is the central front on the gwot.

I wish I could remember which New Yorker article I read that indicated that the “jihadists” are nowhere near capable of re-establishing the Caliphate, because although they are sky-high on rhetoric, they are not paying too much realistic attention to establishing functioning economic states. Much like the neocons.

44. marisacat - 13 February 2007

Miss Devore… think it was in Iowa, he referred to the dead in Iraq as “wasted lives”….

He apologised immediately, from waht I gathered.

That one is tough, parents of people serving, of all stripes vote. It is a sweeping statement, taking in all, in all cases.

I was a little amazed he said it. You can be very critical of the war and not fall into that trap.

I feel all the dead in wars lost their lives and it rarely advanced much if anything… or advnced a larger agenda for the people, both sides, directing the wars…. Or as I like to say, Arms dealers the world over stand up and CHEER!

But in war, men – and now women – die ot protect each other.

There will be more mistakes…

45. Miss Devore - 13 February 2007

You are Topcat! I just czeched out the “L—–V—– character. My Left Ventricle.

I was actually pondering on the Notre Dame fight song for the runt chihuahua theme, but something makes me think I should do it to “When Irish Eyes are Smiling:

Back to the trawling table….

46. ms_xeno - 13 February 2007

S.B., I was never more serious while kidding on the square. Scruggs over at UFO Breakfast Recipients returns time and again to the concept of “look and feel,” of those who prize appearance over authenticity and thus are easily whipped into a fury if they find themselves in the presence of people who believe in exactly the reverse and aren’t shy about saying so. (A huge chunk of the irrational fury at Nader and at 3rd Parties in general comes out of that.) If you have time to swing by over there, ask him about it.

Come to think of it, the bufoons who thought we’d all jump ship on this space if they “outed” Mcat as a religious woman are the same way. Guys like this Pastor Dan character aparently have no use for religion unless they can use it as a club to beat on strangers with. It’s a superficial thing for them. I don’t think they understand a semi-private prayer as having any point, even though I gather that Mcat was praying for, well– exactly the sort of things I used to pray for when I still was religious.

The liberal-prog bloggers by and large really do strike me as being all about “look and feel.” They are so happy that they are part of the important people “doing something.” I’m more inclined to think that they run in the wrong direction all the time, and that even standing still is an improvement over a constant dash in the wrong direction, because at least you preserve your energy. It’s why seven years ago I shook my fist at committed non-voters with no trouble and hurled all manner of insults at them. Now I know better. :/

47. marisacat - 13 February 2007

LOL Miss Devore


ys really all of the manic shutting up of people, when “they” lost it in all manner of ways in threads. I think they just lost it, long ago, no restraints, bullies roaming a tiny spot of real estate, that Kos and Armando and others insisted was The Biggest Blog in the Whole Wide World.

Riding at the top of the page right now at MLW is a cartoon of how cute conservatives are. And I guess the unspoken subtext is useless and losing.

Recall all those essays of how the hard right wing was down and out. For an election.

Well a glass of Veuve Clicquot in honor of… oh runt chihuahuas. Somehow, the dogs, the real ones always maintain their dignity.

Wish the same were tru of Humans.

48. marisacat - 13 February 2007

oh but I am not religious. Oppps sorry. I never saw the need to “correct” the boyz.

I was at the end of my tether. I turned to an idiosyncratic site, that relates to a church in paris I love (France is so free of the horror of religion, the remnants, architecture, etc., but not the whackos). And I lit a few candles, lost it in a few words…

There are two things I do in churches the candles and the water, esp if in a large clam shell… When my father was dyiong, I would stop at Sts Peter and Paul in No Beach, where marilyn was married and bring fresh clean wash clothes dipped in the holy water fonts to his bedroom…

I am more or less an animist, all things have a soul or the fire within. And I am superstitious. I was baptised Catholic, but we are not believers. Mother was soemthing around agnostic/atheist but declined definition. Father lapsed Catholic, former, unabused, altar boy.

I love the relics and the talismans. When I fly I have all manner of little Mexican handmade religious “charms” with me… More superstition.

I love Rome as you can go into, for instance, St PEter in Chains and in the basements is a Temple to Mithra.

But I was at the end of my tether in 98/99. MY mothers death, the actual two days it took to die, was horrific. Hospice failed me. My mother choked to death over almost 9 hours. Another 12 -18 hours for the pacemaker to stop. The Hospice night nurse never came as my mother choked to death an dI had sent the LVN home, expecting the hospice last hours assistance. It never came.

And yes, sure the Boyz saw to it I remembered all of that.

FUCK THEM. I don’t whine.

49. liberalcatnip - 13 February 2007

Odd statement by Bowers about Shakes resignation:

You know what? I don’t want Hillary Clinton to apologize for her war vote anymore, because I am sick of Democrats apologizing. You know what else? I think someone, maybe BlogPac, should produce some sort of guide for independent bloggers with no experience working on statewide or presidential campaigns both what they should expect and what they should demand when they are first hired.

So…because the wingnut smear machine caused 2 bloggers to resign, Hillary gets a free pass on her Iraq vote? Hmmm…that logic might work if it wasn’t Dem supporters asking her to apologize.

I’l leave the analysis of zee blogger guide to you. Personally though, I’d just use the Boy Scouts motto: be prepared.

50. Miss Devore - 13 February 2007

I think religious upbringings or being versed in biology gives one the best metaphor mines.

That said, I have done my best to produce a “fight song” as requested by this blogowner, within her suggested parameters.

I was also inspired by some anonymous Livid Vitriol person.

“This evening, the tear is in my eye.”

{conductor raises wand}

There’s a jeer in a post
that’s offending the host
And that’s where more troll-rates will apply

With the power of your site
Sure some bitch you can smite
Be it banning or trimming blogroll

All the soft porno banter
And the 4’s to the ranters
While your lies fail transparency

You can launch other sites
While the runt huahua bites
Your ankles of hypocrisy

Ovarians have called you
On your clear misogyny
To the hilt of of “cunt”embracers
You can hear the harpies pling.

When dying sites get crappy
From the whores within your pay
Your ad bucks will be declining
While the bitches still have their say.

51. ms_xeno - 13 February 2007

Mcat, my friend Roberta is the same way. A lot of religious imagery makes it into her stories and art, but not the self-righteous bullying. Unless she’s making fun of the bullies and the poor fools they rope into serving them.

Yeah, those people are assholes. The type is very common on the ‘net. Ran into more than one of them on Ms., back in the day. There’s a good website or two that I never post on because some of them settled down there and the thought of reminding them that I still exist gives me the shivers. Color me not impressed with the Orange version. :p

52. liberalcatnip - 13 February 2007

I’m sorry to hear about what you went through with your mother, marisa. 😦 That must have been horrid.

53. ms_xeno - 13 February 2007

lc, go read IOZ’s current take on Bowers. If anyone ever needed your esteemed countrymen to provide A Boot To The Head, it’s dear old Chris.

Watching these assholes spin and spin every defeat like it’s a victory is like watching time lapse de-evolution.

54. marisacat - 13 February 2007

ooo Miss Devore: Thank you!

Will post that in the next blog entry… love “runt hua huas”



so many shits and shitty sites… so little time.. 😉

catnip… oh yea, to “balance” DOnohue, we should let Hillpac off the leash.

Poor Boyz.

55. supervixen - 13 February 2007

I like it, Miss D! The last two stanzas have a Kiplingesque ring to them.

56. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 February 2007

Hey ms_xeno, love that song.

here’s the video.

57. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 February 2007

wow, rif, I didn’t know there was a NAME for it. I used to argue at dKos all the time that they needed to welcome and USE far lefties like me to move the debate, NOT shut us up.

To which they replied, “you’re stupid, and crazy, and should shut up.”

Overton window. Learn something new every day.

58. moiv - 13 February 2007

Miss D, you have a gift.

Time for another song.

“How much is that Madman in the Window?”

59. ms_xeno - 13 February 2007

Ah, Madman. Bless your foul, godless heart. 8)

60. rif - 13 February 2007


There is a link in that wiki entry to a DonkleKos diary by thereisnospoon quoting Trevino. Apparently it was a tool developed on the right. I’m not quite sure what to say about that. Even assholes can crap out a few pearls I guess.

61. marisacat - 13 February 2007

meanwhile TINS spends his time declaring that communists vote for Democrats. Bowers has blamed the left for ALL ELCTORAL LOSSES. And so on…

They will NEVER “get” the Overton WIndow .

62. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 February 2007

Bowers, Bowers, Bowers … silly, silly little man.


Those two woman capitulated to their attackers when they apologized. It’s no different than a prisoner begging forgiveness for getting his blood on the jailer’s boot.

HILLARY HELPED A WAR HAPPEN, and she owes an apology to her supposed bosses, the voters, for being so horribly, terribly wrong.

The first “apology” is not an “apology”, it’s surrender. It’s cringing, cowering … it’s a whipped dog pissing on the rug. It’s the witch crying out the Lord’s Prayer as the flames start to lick at her legs. Stupid.

For Hillary to apologize would be for her to show that she FUCKING LEARNS FROM HER MISTAKES. But she can’t, she didn’t, because she doesn’t see it as a mistake. It was popular then with the people who matter to her now. She’ll promise something different now that is popular now.


63. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 February 2007

who needs God when one lives in a world blessed with Emmylou Harris? No need for Heaven … we live in it, if only we’d quit breaking the furniture and starting fights with everyone else there with us.

hell, go here and listen to a guy telling a couple of fundies why he don’t need no God or Heaven in a wonderfully friendly, upbeat, creative and altogether excellent extemporaneous rant.

64. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 February 2007

Thanks rif. I’m not surprised that that insight grew out of the right. They’ve been pursuing this strategy my whole life, and I’ve watched in frustration as the Democrats refused to respond in kind. “Sister Souljah” was celebrated as some act of political genius, but it was long-term suicide for the party.

I’ve been making this argument for quite some time, but never knew there was a name for it.

65. marisacat - 13 February 2007

New Thread up… Skewering the Sewers

66. Miss Devore - 13 February 2007

Moiv–don’t tempt with that bloggie in the overton window stuff.

actually, considering my apartment is above a florist on St. Valentines eve—last March, the business was sold by some American slackers, who overextended themselves on sillyvalley misfortunes, to some 1st generation Vietnamese-Americans. six years ago , when I worked there, there was about twelve employees for their first and ultimately failed v-day escapade. At present there are about 30 employees outside the shop, in back, and I have no idea how many inside. This will go on until late tomorrow night I am sure.

But maybe I want a little more time to work on a Mitm song. Goddess knows I have been accused of worshipping him by the golden calf at dk.

67. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 February 2007

how do you know I’m NOT a golden calf? Perhaps the internet tubes are stalked by formerly sacred objects, left bereft and alone, finally finding our way online to search for new supplicants?


68. Miss Devore - 13 February 2007

Ok. So you live in the diary state. I mean, dairy, of course.

see new thread for reverse moo musings.

69. Sabrina Ballerina - 13 February 2007

Mx xeno thanks, I’m not familiar with ‘ Scruggs over at UFO Breakfast Recipients’ – if you have a link, I’ll check it out. I saw this interesting post at MLW. This guy has the right idea, imo. If he does it, I’d be interested:


This is great! (9.50 / 2)
Sorry, I’m not partaking in any of the forementioned schadenfreudian. I really mean it. With these kinds of attitudes (surrendering to the past, while being determined to move on) – things can get done. New things. New hope.

There is enourmous opportunity over the next 12 months to make/re-configure community driven websites/blogs/whatever that can over time:

a) draw a lot of traffic
b) draw a lot of attention
c) make an impact on the public dialogue

I believe there is a lot of dissastifaction with the online status quo right now and a solid base of people looking for an evolution to what started in 2002(‘ish).

Me, I’m keeping a hand in the game here, keeping an eye on everything I can, AND I’m also very interested in talking to, anyone and everyone who would like to be a part of creating those ambitious plans for the commuity driven site I alluded to above. The intention would be to build something organized, open source, democratic (not the party), and which has some loosely defined principles/mission(s). (which is not to say meta is not allowed – on the contrary meta would be very welcome, it’s just that after having watched a few different sites I believe having some action items gives some cohesiveness to things)

The idea is to make an online caucus that is run by and open to many instead of sheepishly going to the neighborhood bullies caucus just to watch a handful of people continually co-opt our best ideas, lay claim as our representative to the world/media, and then kick us out the backdoor whenever it suits them.

Besides having experience with admnistering/participating in community driven sites, I’ve also become a full blown Drupal developer in the last couple years (it’s my full time job). From a functional stand point, creating and promoting such a site is no problemo – so that’s one less thing to worry about, but this site will need to be about more than any one person(s) to make it bother doing (otherwise it will be just another blogosphere 1.0 site).

Please contact me directly at highervisibilitywebsites at gmail.com and indicate what level of interest you would have for participation in such an endeavor. If at least a few people are interested and/or willing to help brainstorm I will get a site up where everyone can do it in public. There’s no rush on anything and no deadlines to meet, and it doesn’t even ever need to happen at all, but this is the first thread I’ve seen where it seemed worth posting the idea to.

by: Caleb @ Tue Feb 13, 2007 at 14:25:12 PM PST
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Bound to happen. People stuck with Kos because of Bush and the 2004 and 2006 elections. Bush isn’t a factor in 2008 and DK is getting a really bad reputation with all the troll-rating, banning and especially the silencing of some of the best ideas and people on the net. It’s so yesterday, this thuggish garbage.

Kos lucked out because of timing. In different times, he would not have been tolerated. People were desperate and he was there.

I imagine that this guy, Caleb, and anyone who joined him would be true progressives who would help other smaller sites. Anyway, it’s not the first suggestion I’ve seen like this.

And then I came across this, re de-linking from Kos.


70. Sabrina Ballerina - 13 February 2007

Miss Devore, I love that song – lol!

Marisacat, so sorry you had to go through that. So painful, and sorry that the ‘outers’ at DK caused you the pain of remembering. They are harmful to people. As for religion, that is everyone’s private business. Amazing that the DK outers thought the revelation that someone once lit a candle or said a prayer would someone cause harm to them. As someone said, ‘who are these people’.

71. ms_xeno - 13 February 2007

Sabrina, UFO is right there in Mcat’s blogroll. 🙂

72. marisacat - 13 February 2007

Sabrina… ufo breakfast is over on my blogroll.

I only know ‘Scruggs” as he posts at “Stop Me Before I Vote again” (also on the Mcat blogroll) and left some very nice ocmments here the day I put up my “Benchcat” post in response to “Outing Mariscat / Chihuahua Watchdogs…

I read his site, smart and sardonic.

73. ms_xeno - 13 February 2007

I don’t even have a blogroll. I’m sure somebody at LJ could tell me how, but I’m too disorganized and so prefer to borrow from everyone else…

74. The Battle: New Orleans « Marisacat - 14 February 2007

[…] Link to a comment of Sabrina Ballerina’s back a couple of posts… drawn from a post of Caleb’s at MLW… I pull it forward as it came up for conversation near the bottom of the previous thread… […]

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