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All the great battles came 17 February 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Culture of Death, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, The Battle for New Orleans, WAR!.
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in the recent decades.. health care, education, SCOTUS, life, death, caring for the poor and the hungry – even just admitting people need help.  Facing race in America.  Saving a great American city and her people…

War.

Bush is outcome.  However the Democrats paint him as anomaly.  And the Democrats?  They live in the margins… it is where they want to be.  They feel safe there…

pulled forward from the previous thread

Oh let me make this short and sweet… No one here is surprised, in the least.

Y’all bitched and moaned and slammed at dissenters and then moaned and bitched.  Then y’all screamed.  And bitched.  And slapped the dissenters around.

The congress that the shit faced Liberal BlogPAC (not), Advertising Liberally (not) and Drinking Drunk with the homie operatives, &c all the measly moves,  the undergirding of the online machines, the congress that the operatives, congressional leadership, boiler rooms, DNC, lame consultants, Liberal Suger (just hook them up to the glucose drip, they cannot face a drop of reality) campaign workers.. on and on … oh the list is long. 

But y’ all  bought this congress:  Screw up your courage Boyz,  your sort never demanded anything.  Don’t weep now:

Who’s blocking real progress on Iraq?  A number of groups and individuals who might surprise you.

Steny Hoyer, who is tearfully saying Democrats will not defund the troops, thereby perpetuating a false frame that makes it hard for Congress to check Bush.  Rahm Emanuel is sticking with Steny, safe in the belief that Democrats have no responsibility to end the war, as are Chet Edwards and the Blue Dogs (who are otherwise known as the ’scared white Southern men of the party).

Oh the Blue Dogs?  And the hard core Pro Lifers? 

THE BOLL WEEVILS… famously known to be nearly the very last to abandon the Vietnam War….  But take a look at who is getting “Frontline” help… it ain’t the progressives (y’all cover one ass cheek with Hodes and the other ass cheek with McNerney).  Not Ellison.  Nor Shea Porter.  Nor Loebsack… and so on.

Harry Reid, who failed to get a vote on a non-binding resolution in the Senate, and doesn’t think his original war vote was wrong.  It’s Bush’s fault apparently that Reid voted for the war.  Like with his stance on Alito, Reid is giving the impression of action, but not the teeth.

But you all keep dressing his fractious, irritable, but still USELESS corpse up in his pink Everlasts?  Why does it not work?  You practically tuck him in and adjust his privates to suit him. 

Do you not get how servile y’all hve been?

Chuck Schumer, who thinks he can put enough pressure on Bush to change his mind and change strategy, but is slow-walking on really challenging Bush.

Carl Levin, who has ‘a little hope’ we can ‘turn the President in a different direction’, and made the bad faith deal with Warner that the Republicans ended up filibustering.

Hillary Clinton, who argues that the war won’t end until the next President takes office and so she won’t take a public position that Congress should use their financial leverage to end the war.

Go weep on the bony skinless shoulder of some fucking Democratic organiser.  Or a fat shoulder.  I am sure you can find some rot gut Dem organiser… Some online whip.

Since y’all know so many

Addendum…

The thread to the Stoller post is mostly weak… but there is this… LOL from a Mooncat…

I have this nightmare (none / 0)

That in the minds of some Democratic politicians and ‘advisors’ it would be advantageous to still have the war in Iraq going strong in Nov. 2008.  That the war is a winning issue for Democrats and we don’t want to end it too soon.

I hope that isn’t the case, because in my mind, the vote in Nov. 2006 was the referendum on the war in Iraq, and if it is still going on in 2008, voters are going to decide that Democrats had their chance, squandered it, and elect a GOP president and throw out all the incumbents in other races.

Sure, it is hard to get something done in an evenly divided Senate.  But our leaders, and those who aspire to be leaders, need to be doing everything they can to turn things around now.  Lead , dammit!  Think outside the box!  Try to find a way.  There may not be another chance in 2009.

by Mooncat on Sat Feb 17, 2007 at 09:36:20 PM EST

That was always the kicker…. the Repubs run a “moderate” in 08 and the nation is so sick of Quisling Chamberlain Petain VICHY Dems that they say FU.

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UPDATE, 10:28 pm

Thanks to earth to meg from the thread, a comment to the NPK diary  (what a tortured mess) at Dkos… too classic, too true not to elevate:

It was nice knowing yall (2+ / 0-)

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My sister recently told me she didn’t log onto KOS anymore–something about not being allowed to discuss 9/11 on this site. Too “liberal” or “tin foil hat” or something.

But I liked coming here. This was a good news site with decent links.

I really didn’t understand all the fuss recently about KOS dropping some blog sites–but I did manage to pick up that some bloggers here had ‘wasta’ (Arabic for ‘influence’ or ‘nepotism’) and that Nightprowlkitty is one of them.

Must be why you won’t be totally banned after this diary.

I grew up in Madison, Wisconsin in the 1960’s and 1970’s.

My mother worked at the University Hospital, adjacent to Sterling Hall and knew both the researchers devastated by the bombing and the protesters who marched in favor of change by any means necessary.

http://www.madison.com/…

My father worked at the Post Office and was the editor of a Union Newspaper, for which he won a national award in 1973.

My parents marched on University Avenue to protest the War. My little sister and me had a reaction to tear gas in the bushes. In my house we boycotted non-union foods/goods. We campaigned for Shirley Chishlom.

I know my family didn’t change the world, nightprowlkitty, but what we did do those years, mattered.

What we did mattered.

For you to call my family and my family’s friends “the condescending rhetoric of the far left” or perhaps “not inclined or educated enough to know how to effectively make their voices heard” is too much.

Really.

Oh, and do please define “the far left”. I am really curious just how proper one must be to be “central left” or “middle left” or Emily Fucking Post Left.

And then, perhaps you can explain some of the social changes that took place like, Title IX, perhaps.

http://www.dol.gov/…

Is your position that ‘reasonable, moderate people’ besieged the White House to allow girls to compete on a level playing field with boys?

Or maybe it might have been those damed, ineffective, radical leftists.

Anyway, this site is really too Republican Lite for me. Time to move on.

“I want to pay a dollar” Bill ‘B.B.’ Babowsky

by rafalah on Sat Feb 17, 2007 at 08:39:29 PM PST

Long time posters will not be surprised at the reply to him/her from DH… who elsewhere in the thread recommends Gitlin and Edsall as the books to read to understand the 60s.  Amazing I could still scan a thread of 600 or whatever. Because it really is not worth it…  

And catch SusanG obsessively explaining Daniel Ellsberg.  He is, for all the gentle demeanor he adopts in public, capable of being quite snide to the tedious.  That drifted thru my mind.

Best of luck to the lost.  Here is a very pointed diary from Feb 2004… a sort of book end to OPOL’s diary and the congealing fuckball that NPK hacked up.. 

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UPDATE, 1:45 am… a balmy night … 😉

Madman popped me this link to The Atlantic, a Joshua Green article… and a very cheering read it is too… good antidote to the vacuousness of a congress that long ago abdicated responsibility… and an antidote to old fur balls:

[G]ill led me through his evolution as a donor. For years he gave generously to gay organizations and dutifully supported gay-friendly candidates. His guiding ambition was helping to teach other donors and nonprofits how to operate more efficiently, and he had organized a series of major-donor conferences toward that end. But several years ago, a growing number of his peers began to sense that they were playing in the wrong arena.

“A lot of [gay donors] are driven, cycle to cycle, by the notion that there’s going to be an epiphany—that one day they’ll wake up and accept us,” he said.

“But this group had spent millions of dollars on philanthropy, and yet woken up the morning after the election to see gay-marriage bans enacted all across the country.”

Gill decided to find out how he could become more effective and enlisted as his political counselor an acerbic lawyer and former tobacco lobbyist named Ted Trimpa, who is Colorado’s answer to Karl Rove. Trimpa believes that the gay-rights community directs too much of its money to thoroughly admirable national candidates who don’t need it, while neglecting less compelling races that would have a far greater impact on gay rights—a tendency he calls “glamour giving.”  [snip]

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UPDATE, 2:25 am

The Page One article from Wapo  on Walter Reed and the grueling day to day [thanks to JJB]:

[O]n the worst days, soldiers say they feel like they are living a chapter of “Catch-22.” The wounded manage other wounded. Soldiers dealing with psychological disorders of their own have been put in charge of others at risk of suicide.

Disengaged clerks, unqualified platoon sergeants and overworked case managers fumble with simple needs: feeding soldiers’ families who are close to poverty, replacing a uniform ripped off by medics in the desert sand or helping a brain-damaged soldier remember his next appointment.

“We’ve done our duty. We fought the war. We came home wounded. Fine. But whoever the people are back here who are supposed to give us the easy transition should be doing it,” said Marine Sgt. Ryan Groves, 26, an amputee who lived at Walter Reed for 16 months. “We don’t know what to do. The people who are supposed to know don’t have the answers. It’s a nonstop process of stalling.”  [snip]

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UPDATE, 8:40 am

The Washington Note has up a post on the ”Reid Recess”… really, the man has been useless from minute one.

Senate Majority Leader Reid thought that pushing through a cloture motion to debate the House-passed resolution against the President’s Iraq troop surge plans would balance out a principled call by Senators Hagel and Snowe to oppose any Senate recess until a debate on the troop surge takes place.

Reid’s effort to get cloture just failed — and now Dems are voting in mass against Hagel and Snowe and in favor of Presidents’ Day shopping excursions.

Hagel, Snowe and others have been writing a “pox on both your houses” letters several times over now — and there are numerous Democratic Senators who are getting as irritated with their own leadership as with the Republican leadership of Mitch McConnell and Trent Lott.

… 

It was not enough to have a simple cloture vote today — Reid should have gone further and become a stakeholder in what Hagel is doing — and that is assuring that the Iraq troop surge resolution be our single highest priority right now.

And … Matt is still taking a critical look.  Catch the thread, the pro Reid forces are out.

Reid ws and is a mistake as leader.  Tired old hack.  But the Boyz so covered for him.  Practically an 11th Commandment… a la Reagan.

For shame.

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UPDATE, 11:10 am…  sunny and warm in San Francisco…

Oh tut tut.  What is this?  Obama bought some cheers on the blogs (and whatever passes for cheer on the Blahgs) when he swore off FOX …

But I just spied one of his advisors, Jim Demers, on FOX, sitting in a cosy blue leatherette tufted booth at an eatery in NH with a FOX person (they all look alike)… passing on tidbits and jollies.  Folm clips of Obama and wif at the ready were run…

They are just doing what Team Hillary did last year, supposedly protecting, and thereby enhancing “Product Obama”.

Well, if you want to be a sequestered can of Spaghetti-Os.. be my guest.  Whatever lifts your corporate yacht. 

 Why don’t they just go ahead and run Britney Spears for president (she has a new look after all!)?  That would get the ”youth vote”, from somewhere.  All of this tedious tired talk of are they ready, do they know enough… traipsing Obama thru Kenya… Hillary invoking Bill.

When we know we will get Foreign Policy Establishment (FPE) work, from the likes of Gelb, Holbrooke, Albright, etc.  No matter which Dem thinks the win is in view. (And it ain’t.)

 This is not the early months of the Democratic primary, difficult and strange as they all are….  It is the make up room and the Green Room.  It makes 2003 look wide open.  By comparison.

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1. liberalcatnip - 17 February 2007

Just a quick continuation from the last thread. I’m sorry, but it is just too flipping painful to read anymore of npk’s drivel in her diary built of strawmen. It makes my eyes burn.

2. earth to meg - 17 February 2007

If this diary by stalker doesn’t prove that there is a “double standard” over there, I’m not sure what will. She posts a diary that is filled with misinformation, shoddy references, and inaccuracies and is uprated to the rec list. According to one poster in the thread, she “called out” OPOL, although without using his name, but using his name wasn’t necessary – everybody knew who she was talking about. She also tried to engage JPete in arguments about the past shit that happened around hrh, even though npk constantly – constantly – talks about how she is “sick” of the ongoing flaming/baiting/trolling. And even though JPete was engaging on the points of the diary!

Someone here actually referenced npk being a dkos shill:

It was nice knowing yall (2+ / 0-)
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My sister recently told me she didn’t log onto KOS anymore–something about not being allowed to discuss 9/11 on this site. Too “liberal” or “tin foil hat” or something.

But I liked coming here. This was a good news site with decent links.

I really didn’t understand all the fuss recently about KOS dropping some blog sites–but I did manage to pick up that some bloggers here had ‘wasta’ (Arabic for ‘influence’ or ‘nepotism’) and that Nightprowlkitty is one of them.

Must be why you won’t be totally banned after this diary.

I grew up in Madison, Wisconsin in the 1960’s and 1970’s.

My mother worked at the University Hospital, adjacent to Sterling Hall and knew both the researchers devastated by the bombing and the protesters who marched in favor of change by any means necessary.

http://www.madison.com/

My father worked at the Post Office and was the editor of a Union Newspaper, for which he won a national award in 1973.

My parents marched on University Avenue to protest the War. My little sister and me had a reaction to tear gas in the bushes. In my house we boycotted non-union foods/goods. We campaigned for Shirley Chishlom.

I know my family didn’t change the world, nightprowlkitty, but what we did do those years, mattered.

What we did mattered.

For you to call my family and my family’s friends “the condescending rhetoric of the far left” or perhaps “not inclined or educated enough to know how to effectively make their voices heard” is too much.

Really.

Oh, and do please define “the far left”. I am really curious just how proper one must be to be “central left” or “middle left” or Emily Fucking Post Left.

And then, perhaps you can explain some of the social changes that took place like, Title IX, perhaps.

http://www.dol.gov/

Is your position that ‘reasonable, moderate people’ besieged the White House to allow girls to compete on a level playing field with boys?

Or maybe it might have been those damed, ineffective, radical leftists.

Anyway, this site is really too Republican Lite for me. Time to move on.

“I want to pay a dollar” Bill ‘B.B.’ Babowsky

by rafalah on Sat Feb 17, 2007 at 08:39:29 PM PST

3. liberalcatnip - 17 February 2007

It’s been disappeared from the rec list now.

4. bayprairie - 18 February 2007

If this President won’t end the war, Congress must. If this Congress won’t end the war, it needs to be voted out of office by the public for failing to do its job.

the democractic party-lead congress doesn’t care a whole hell of a lot about what the public thinks . huge surprise.

maybe next friday harry reid can head for Building 18 at Walter Reid and laptop-liveblog “Got A Happy Story?” with the permanently disabled vets.

5. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 February 2007

Here’s how they talk to people who ask a simple question. Even if they had a point, and they may have in this case, (sorry lost the link, it was someone who wrote a diary asking why her comments ‘disappeared after she told a military mom that her son made a mistake by signing up. Not very nice when the mom was worried. But this the way they talk to anyone the disagree with. And this is not covered by the rulezzzz, unless you’re on the wrong side:

Why is it that the people with the least to say (8+ / 0-)
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are always the ones who bitch the loudest and the longest about being repressed? Look, lady, one way this community engages in debate is by allowing its members to decide when things are so vile that nobody who hasn’t made a sufficiently substantial contribution to the site to win trusted user status should be able to see them. The community voted your hateful comments off the island, as is its right. Get. Over. It. (And while you’re at it, get over yourself.)

Michael
Musing’s musings

by musing85 on Sat Feb 17, 2007 at 04:58:38 PM PST

Catnip, it was the worst, most inaccurate diary I’ve ever seen get to the rec list. They’ve added one more example to be brought up when they yell at the next unfortunate diarist who makes an honest mistake in a diary. They will be reminded of this, although she apparently made corrections.

Thinking of how big taunt (thanks Miss D) went after another diarist because he didn’t get the point of the diary, (and there no links, they make up rulezz when there aren’t any in the FAQ) which was great and made the rec list and the lectures from the likes of npk about ‘standards’, all you can do is laugh at them. They are amusing if nothing else. Few take them seriously, even on dk. But, yes, her constant, droning on and on is wearying.

rafalah, one more disillusioned ‘kossack’! And probably a few more will join her after that diary. Good for her, that was a great, heartfelt post. And she dk does not deserve her efforts.

I

6. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2007

SB,

Here’s the link to that lady’s diary. (I linked to it from my “Stuck” diary tonite so I had it handy.)

Catnip, it was the worst, most inaccurate diary I’ve ever seen get to the rec list.

No kidding! And the huge number of rec’ds it had was just plain embarassing – or should have been to anyone with a half-functioning sense of logic. A classic case of promoting the person, not the diary. I also noticed that she made corrections without noting them in the original diary. Tsk, tsk… Grade: F

7. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 February 2007

Sorry, I really messed up that post – hope it’s readable.

That WR article is awful.

I noticed that Dems are allowing Republicans to get away with calling ‘defunding the war’ – ‘not supporting the troops’ again. Why do they not scream at them, using the WH’s own statements as to what this war would cost? Why do they not say ‘you mean funding Halliburton while the troops go without proper protection and food?’

I give up, they are either collaborators, or they do not belong in office. I’m thinking the former.

8. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 February 2007

Well, she’s not all that popular, Catnip, but she’s working hard to be one of the in dk in-crowd. So, they will overlook the inaccuracies – anyone else writing a diary like that would have told to ‘delete this diary’. lol, you have to laugh really. It’s obvious to most people there.

I haven’t read it since it was linked earlier, but several people pointed out glaring inaccuracies, ie, ‘Nixon was impeached’ and ‘ the draft was instituted for Vietnam’. She should have added a credit and noted that the diary was edited. Too embarrassing I suppose. Reminded me of Ann Coulter saying that Canada was in Vietnam!

9. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2007

Yes, I love the smell of napalm in the morning. 😉

10. D. Throat - 18 February 2007

Well I don’t. (4+ / 0-)

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The folks I work with are loyal Democrats. But they wouldn’t come near this site because they feel it’s too far left.

Again, it’s all relative, I guess. And ultimately I don’t think it’s terribly important.

by Nightprowlkitty on Sat Feb 17, 2007 at 05:46:33 PM PST

The real reason why they are attacking the “far left” …. it hurts revenue.

NPK (11+ / 0-)

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You know I disagree with you, but still, I’d be honored if you’d cross-post this to ProgressiveHistorians. It’s an excellent piece, both well-researched and well-presented, and would spark some stimulating discussion IMO.

ProgressiveHistorians: History and Politics Of, By, and For the People

by Nonpartisan on Sat Feb 17, 2007 at 03:50:27 PM PST

Shouls be named Regressive Historians. That diary sums up the entirementality of Daily Kos… Reagan Republicans

11. marisacat - 18 February 2007

Listen… Oliver North has been reporting that the soldiers and marines DO NOT SUPPORT THE SURGE…

Do you think a fuckign Democrat could use that.?

No.

They are too busy bitching over planes and whihc lobbyist to go wtih.

12. D. Throat - 18 February 2007

This is the same as Hotpants Elise trying to redefine Feminism to Feminisms

DHinMI had to come in and rewrite the fucking piece… this time with a few facts not conjecture…

That diary is an embarrassment… to be on a “Liberal Blog” looks like she cut and pasted it from LGF or Redstate. All the thread thugs and FPs had to jump in to rescue this piece of shit.

But the most telling is that this is how Kos is being instructed from the Washington establishment… “GET RID OF THE LEFT”…

13. Ezekiel - 18 February 2007

Re: Dems in Congress and their dKos shills, the old words of Mose Allison apply quite well:

I don’t believe the things I’m seein’
I’ve been wonderin’ ’bout some
things I’ve heard
Everybody’s crying mercy
When they don’t know
the meaning of the word

A bad enough situation
Is
sure enough getting worse
Everybody’s crying justice
Just as soon
as there’s business first

Toe to toe, touch and go
Give a
cheer and get your own souvenir

Well you know the people running
round in circles
Don’t know what they’re headed for
Everybody’s
crying peace on earth
Just as soon as we win this war

Straight ahead, gotta knock em dead
So pack your kit, choose your own
hypocrite

You don’t have to go to off-Broadway
To see
something plain absurd
Everybody’s crying mercy
When they don’t
know the meaning of the word

Nobody knows the meaning of the
word

14. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2007

Well, she’s not all that popular, Catnip, but she’s working hard to be one of the in dk in-crowd.

My mistake then. It seemed to me she was more in than out.

This Clash song keeps running through my head:

All the animals come out at night.
Queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick venal.
Some day a real rain will come and wash all the scum off the streets.

Thank god for the rain to wash the trash off the sidewalk.

No need to wonder why…

15. marisacat - 18 February 2007

hmmm I briefly rather liked TH-K in the run when she called someone a “scumbag”. LOL I thought it was very appropriate.

16. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2007

From that Stoller post:

If this Congress won’t end the war, it needs to be voted out of office by the public for failing to do its job.

He’s already turfing this congress? Well that was quick. And you’re right, mcat. It’s not like they weren’t warned. Kinda gels with what I wrote about in my “Stuck” diary.

As for his so-called surprising list, I sure wasn’t surprised. I don’t know about everybody else who’s been paying flipping attention the last few years like he and his blogger buddies were apparently supposed to be doing. Sold down the river…buyer’s remorse.

17. D. Throat - 18 February 2007

“voted out of office”…. you mean like Murphy, Bean, Nelson, Herseth, the Salazars… yeah I didn’t think so.

BTW folks there are some new faces here that don’t realize that me “D. Throat” and “Deepest Throat” are two different people…

18. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 February 2007

Well, I meant she’s not popular with the normal people – lol! I don’t count the dk ‘in crowd’.

Dk is a Republican lite site. While they want the ‘hits’ they do not want the ‘left’ there. Npk, undid all their work to try to prove otherwise yesterday, with that diary. As Rafala said ‘this site is too Republican lite for me.

By 2008, if they keep this up, half their readers and members will be gone. We are in the majority. As Tustan’s poll showed, even in that repressed environment, a majority of ‘kossacks’ are against them.

They are slamming Hillary now, but always remind us ‘if she wins the nomination, I’ll be behind her’. They forget, it’s a great big country out here. Kos may influence a few thousand, at most. I will not be supporting anyone who supports this war, nor will the vast majority of the American people. It’s likely to much worse by 2008 with many more body bags coming home. They will lose the WH if Hillary is the nominee, imo. I don’t want Hillary to apologize for her vote. She would be lying. She supports this war. Better for people to know that.

19. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2007
20. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2007

BTW folks there are some new faces here that don’t realize that me “D. Throat” and “Deepest Throat” are two different people…

Thanks. I didn’t know that. I thought perhaps you had evolved or something – not that I meant you’re not evolved…oh never mind…

21. D. Throat - 18 February 2007

Dk is a Republican lite site. While they want the ‘hits’ they do not want the ‘left’ there. Npk, undid all their work to try to prove otherwise yesterday, with that diary.

Yeah … as MCat says …. they are not too bright.

22. D. Throat - 18 February 2007

Yeah we go way back and if MCat had UID I would be in the single digits… now I can terrorize the rest of you (cue evil laugh)

23. marisacat - 18 February 2007

at one point last summer thre were 3 throats. I was getting so confused between the three.

24. ms_xeno - 18 February 2007

There’s a Mose Allison fan on this board ?!

8)

lc, I enjoyed your piece on the Mo Betta page. Don’t worry about it being a little longer than you wanted. I don’t think lengthiness is a problem so long as the author isn’t just repeating herself.

I wonder why the ringleaders in spaces like DK don’t learn how to lie better, since they work with liars all the time. Why, oh why, would they say that of course they’d support Hillary post-primary even though they despise her. Hell, People. Haven’t you ever heard of playing hard to get. If you were half as smart as you claim to be, you’d threaten to stay home rather than vote for her. If you can’t force your candidate to listen to you by running genuine outsiders, at least learn to make the most of the limited tools you’ve got.

But, no. That’s not important. Throwing 3rd Party candidates off fucking ballots. That’s important.

Bullies everywhere. And cowards. You deserve Reid and Hillary and their ilk. And vice versa.

25. D. Throat - 18 February 2007

The Hilliary/Obama/Edwards ticket is not working…

You can always tell what their internal pollings are showing… so far I picked up in the last 24 hours that the anti war sentiment is going against Hilliary hence the new rash of Gore is not running propoganda when he has said nothing new in the last 2 years… he even phrases it the exact same way. They need for people to give up on hope of Gore and latch on to Hilliary/Obama/Edwards (all the same shit)…

The second insight to internal polling is that Dems are alarmed by weakening support from African Americans… DK has had two gratutious favorable AA (this is just my interanal polling and I haven’t been far from the thruth) FPs… Hilliary is supposedly garnering support from Bill’s Black people and I still do not see Black showing up en masse in support of Obama. It was a slap in the face when and where Obama announced and it was duly noted…

They can try to redirect the “Blackness” argument all they want. As I said before:

This is not a debate wether or not Obama can recite the Hip Hop National Anthem (if there was one), it is about being “Black” enough to continue the legacy of that radical lefty MLK in ensuring civil rights for all… which Obama is vague about for everyone…l Black, Women and Gays.

BTW … this is the same redirection that was used against Malcom X because his mother was white and he was born in Omaha, Nebraska. Malcolm X was asked if he was “Black enough” he answered to the effect…

Just because a cat gives birth in an oven doesn’t make them biscuits”

It is another form of divide and conquer… however this would have no effect if Obama would annouce heartily that he will continue fighting for civil rights….we are all still waiting.

They got Obama “I am a new kinda Black” in the same net as Hilliary’s ” I won’t apologize”… and they are happy to give them both enough rope to hang themselves.

As Gore revs up his activities this spring, Hilliary will be in full force panic mode to tie up the race and give the preordained signal for Obama and Edwards to “get in line”…

26. D. Throat - 18 February 2007

Oh and redirecting the real debate “Civil Rights” to “Bacl Enuf” has backfired…BIG TIME

Because Blacks take that very seriously too. It may seem stupid to others but withing the Black communities it is very serious on all levels… There is a powder keg there… it is not cultural but economic. Immigrants get loans easier than blacks, For the first time Immigrant Africans and Mixed Race students have out numbered plain old Black Americans excepted into colleges and universities in the diversification schemes that Black Americans fought and died for. (If anyine has Times Select there was a great expose piece)

No wonder all of the right wing gasbags are egging on this fight. I never understood how the right wing racist understand African Americans more than the so called liberal progressives.

They are the ones who set up the whole “Faith based bribes” to infiltrate the Black political base … the church… and who was eggin them on shouting AMEN at the top of his lungs behind the pulpit of Black churches… LIEBERMAN. Now Obama says that he want to continue this bibery bullshit!!!!

Progressive are blind fools rambling in the swamps of NOLA promoting the WRONG SIDE…. or having exclusive all white lunches with the First “Black President” in Harlem… maybe they should have a talk with their best friends at Redstate on “How to treat Blacks”… then do the opposite… cuz now they don’t have a clue and they are too racist and arrogant to listen to Black people…

27. marisacat - 18 February 2007

yeah… i was certain that no Dem with a partial shot at the WH is gonna say they will get rid of the faith based offices in the West Wing. Bribery in, bribery really in.

what shame.

28. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 February 2007

Ms xeno, once again, you nail it. I’ve tried to say to them that they should not let candidates know they will vote for them no matter what. It’s so simple. But once again, they miss the point entirely. And if you dare to say ‘well, I won’t’ (even as a message to any staffers who may be keeping tabs) you will be told that ‘this is probably not the place for you’. Orwellian doesn’t begin to describe that place.

Faith based is part of the Dem package now. Which is why dk has the ridiculous Pastor Dan. It’s so obvious. So fake. The only part of the package that is missing is the left.

D Throat, why should blacks stick with Dems? What did they do in NO, eg? The elected Dems (or Dinos) there sold out the people of NO.

29. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 February 2007

I am completely fascinated with nightprowler’s disastrous diary. I believe it will become the classic diary to use when they mouth off about ‘standards’ for diaries that hit the rec list in the future. Or when btd, as he often does, demands that ‘those who rec’d this diary ought to be ashamed’! This npk diary will be pointed to, and the list of recommenders, most very predictable, will be used as examples that either there are no standards, or they demanded only of Opol and some others.

The diary is filled with incredible comments pointing out the errors. The question everyone must have had was ‘where are the usual ‘fact-checkers that haunt Opol’s diaries’? And the answer is, in the rec box, to their embarrassment. It is too much fun to see supercilious know-it-alls make such spectacular fools of themselves.

This Diary Makes a Hash of Complicated History (17+ / 0-)
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First off, what Nightprowlkitty links to as “Nobody Gets Off the Bus: the Viet Nam Generation Big Book” is in fact a review of Old Left historian Philip Foner’s book on labor and the Sixties left by literary scholar Jacqueline Smetak. The actual Nobody Gets Off the Bus is a book whose webpage is here. For some reason the title of the book sits atop the webpage Nightprowlkitty was reading. The fact that Nightprowlkitty didn’t figure this out suggests that a bit more care could have been put into this diary. At any rate, the Smetak review is a fine article, but it’s not even attempting to describe the ’60s left as a whole. And it’s no basis whatsoever on which to draw the kind of sweeping conclusions that this diary reaches.

Secondly, this diary completely misses the boat on the practical politics of the antiwar movement. Let’s just take the electoral dimension for a second. Remember that Nixon was elected in 1968 in part because Humphrey refused to separate himself from LBJ’s war policies. And Nixon ran almost as an antiwar candidate. In 1972, antiwar candidates did very, very well in Congressional elections; McGovern was the exception not the rule. See this article by historian Rick Perlstein, one of the most important scholars working on the period, for more on Congressional antiwar politics and the 1972 elections.

In short, this is not at all a well-researched article. The ’60s left was far from perfect. But it was a complicated phenomenon that had a much more profound impact on American political life than can be gleaned by cutting and pasting a book review on a dKos diary (and misidentifying the book review while you’re at it).

The most significant thing about this slapdash diary is not that it isn’t better–most dKos diaries aren’t–but that despite it’s weak sourcing, it still made it to the exclusive list of recommended diaries.

At least since 1972, you attract many more Democrats by bashing the left than by supporting it.

For a different perspective, check out Green Commons!

by GreenSooner on Sat Feb 17, 2007 at 06:18:39 PM PST

It’s worth reading the conversation that follows. It brought to mind the mocking, sneering admonitions to other diarists when they reacted to attacks by the troll cops who repeat often ‘if you can’t take criticism, you should not write diaries. You need a thicker skin’ As a result of being part of that contingency, she really had no sympathy. In the end, Buhdy nailed it beautifully here:

your diary wasn’t written in good faith (0 / 0)

OPOL pissed you off and you wrote a reactionary, poorly sourced, inaccurate, inflammatory and politically stupid diary.

Not to mention offensive to everyone who protested, got gassed, got beaten, and got arrested.

I am deeply offended by this.

Yell Louder!!! …at NION and The Impeach Project!!!

by buhdydharma on Sun Feb 18, 2007 at 12:58:30 AM PST

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/2/17/182459/767/293#c293

Same thing, over and over. Hypocrisy, rightwing tactics and rules that only apply to some people. And just when they thought they had convinced everyone that the ‘left’ IS welcome in the big tent, npk proved otherwise. But it’s always better to know the truth.

30. D. Throat - 18 February 2007

…why should blacks stick with Dems?

I haven’t a clue.

The only viable reason is that they are not Republicans…. but that is getting thin too. Bloombergs election should have been a wake up call. Thousands of non evangelical, non conservative fucking fed up Blacks crossed over and refused to vote for the openly racist Dem git that was running to the right of Bloomberg trying to get the racist long Island vote. No one talked about that afterwards because it did not fit the “script”… Blacks still migrated to the most progressive candidate and that was Bloomberg over the racist Latino (Note to Obama… race only matters positively if you are progressive hence Blackwell, Swann and Steele…. again which is why the right are more than happy to jump on the bandwagon depicting Obama in the vain of Blackwell and Steele… they have proof it doesn’t work)

It is now TWO presidential elections that the Dems have openly turned their back on the African American voter… Kerry couldn’t even fucking be bothered to show up for a non binding slap on the wrist for voter dienfranchisement…. Kos still says Ohio didn’t happen. It is 2007 and still nothing has been done about electronic voting!!!!

I think Obama backed by the Democratic establishment just pissed off the wrong 10000 Black people… who all returned to their communities and organization and told of the fucking whitewash Black will be given in the up coming election and how the Dem establishment has once again selected the African American supposed leader!!!

Blacks have always been the harbingers of political change… and this time will be no differnet…

In fact, as I have said since the mid-terms…. Hilliary is fucked. She can no longer depend on the Boogey Man factor to sweep her into office. People are not desperate to have anyone with a D behind their name… because now D’s are in charge… there is breathing room.

Yes there is a fire in the building but there are several escape routes now ie Congress, Senate, Governorships, State Houses… no one is at the point of jumping out of the window deciding between the Dems and GOP as in voting to “die by fire or die by jumping out of the window” for now that is the only option Hilliary/Obama/Edwards provides.

31. D. Throat - 18 February 2007

I think Obama’s campaign is suppose to be the kiss and makeup sweetheart deal between Blacks and the Democratic establishment… It ain’t working after this long cycle of abuse of making up just in time of elections … people have figured it out.

I still think Obama is running for SoS and Edwards for VP…. Hilliary is not stupid enough to this a woman and black ticket will work. Edwards is the love child of Al From and Hilliary and he has been running for VP for 4 years… From needs a legacy… they can’t wait for Chelsea to grow up…. Edwards is a very long term deal…

32. XP - 18 February 2007

D. Throat – It is very interesting that you mentioned loans and college. I had just done a post about Tejas’ Gov Good Hair new financial aid plan. Perry plans to convert all higher education grants into zero-interest loans for those who do not graduate in four years.

But one of the biggest problems about the plans, many feel that it would that many Latinos would not actually apply for state financial aid because it would be like applying for a loan. Although there is a big to do about how easy it is for immigrants to get a loan the reality is, the actual number of immigrants applying for a loan is very small. In fact, many banks are puzzled as to why Latino immigrants have this, as the LA Times calls it, loan phobia. Even though the housing industry and the banking industries are very aggressive in trying to drum up businesses, even there, undocumented immigrants have a strong aversion to taking on debt, which I figured. If they are not applying for education loans, why would they apply for a home loan. And if they do apply, Latinos, like African-Americans, are more likely to receive higher rates for home loans than white borrowers despite similar credit scores and risk factors according to the Center for Responsible Lending. I happen to run into this study by Traiger & Hinckley LLP, which states the opposite. Funny thing is their clients are multinational financial institutions. I guess this can be compared to Exxon’s answer to the global warming studies.

Anyway, I think you hit on something, which I originally wrote on my post, before I told it out in my edit when you said

No wonder all of the right wing gasbags are egging on this fight. I never understood how the right wing racist understand African Americans more than the so called liberal progressives.

I strongly agree with you that right wing is egging on this fight. The problem with the so-called progressives, they are too fixed on this color-blind fantasy and all it is doing is creating splits. For right it is easy picken’s for them to exploit it.

But try explaining it to the Netfools, they either don’t listen or they are refuse to listen, but either way, it is easier to deal with an in-your-face racist at least with them you know where they stand.

33. Ezekiel - 18 February 2007

Oceania marches forward:

Brits will be interviewed before receiving passports; and

Australia gets key new U. S. military base

What is it about Anglo culture?

34. ms_xeno - 18 February 2007

S.B. – …Orwellian doesn’t begin to describe that place…

But it’s everywhere. My longest-running LJ thread (which I wrote when Kucinich announced that he was running again) drew a friend of mine who is Demo faithful all the way. Any time he got cornered with facts or philosophies he didn’t like, he simply made something up and finally was reduced to quoting a Bob Dylan song ! It was more like an old BOBS’ song, though: The Deprogrammer. You try and hit your opponent with facts and he just returns to The Sacred Text again so he doesn’t have to acknowledge that you may have a point.

These people threw folks like me on their own idelogical pyre in 2000 and 2004. I am so bloody sick of them. I’m guessing a great many of them spend hours crouched before some shrine to Reid praying that Bush pulls a coup and runs again. Because they have been flogging Bush the Bogeyman for so long that they really don’t know how to do anything else. And their treatment of Indies and 3rd Parties proves that they admire his bully-boy tactics, despite their protestations to the contrary. They like kicking around weaklings and then daring them to try and do something about it. Witness Bowers’ “go to hell” after the last election. That says it all.

With all due respect to D. Throat, I will be flabbergasted if Gore wants to run again and if they accept him. He ran out on them, Black voters in particular in 2000. He ran out. Nader did not tie his hands, despite all the whining that still goes on about how my vote rightfully belonged to any Dem who wanted it. Gore’s troubles were of his own making and he was not equipped to deal with them. One nice movie about saving the environment and a few belated speeches about how bad the war is (w/no acknowledgement of the people he killed on his own watch) doesn’t cut it. Are people’s memories really so bad as that ?

35. ms_xeno - 18 February 2007

And, gee, Al Franken, the consummate DLC ass-kisser, is running for office in MN. I suppose the good news is that we won’t be subjected to his smarmy, pathetic bullshit on national radio anymore. Maybe Rhodes will run, too. She can stick to shrieking and preening and shouting down the citizens in her own state, and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.

36. JJB - 18 February 2007

I notice in the other thread there was some mention of soj, who I thought had vanished into cyberspace. In much the way that nightprowlkitty’s diary is a template for the awful slop that gets recommended and used to get promoted to the FP (a practice that seems to have ended, except when Kosolini promotes his own diary entries), soj is to my mind the template for the disingenuous phony who passes himself off as something he is not and then blows his credibility up in a fashion reminescent of the old atmospheric nuclear tests – and I should add that like colleen, I am convinced that soj is a man. I always thought so. From the beginning, his posts had an indefinable but decidedly masculine nature, and I don’t mean that in a qualitative way, just that there was something about them that defined their author as male. There were any number of reasons to disbelieve everything about this person, from the claims of having been in the Ceaucescu-era Romanian police, to being a cop in Georgia, to having to disappear because “she” was being stalked by old enemies, to the fact that he was fluent in English to the point of being able to express himself colloquially but never seemed to know any other languages, etc. Yet he was taken seriously at dKos, and BooMan and Jerome a Paris both went into business with him, with the latter getting esepcially involved with him. Then came the “oh screw it, I’m sick of this charade” detonation of his fictive self with the email order bride business. In the aftermath of that fiasco, it became clear that for all the vouching Jerome and (from what I remember) to a lesser extent BooMan did for soj’s credibility, it became apparent that neither of them had ever met this person they’d allowed to play so prominent a role in their blogs.

All of that’s from possibly defective memory, so if anyone knows better, feel free to correct it. The lesson to be gleaned from this and other instances of blog fraud is that it’s remarkably easy for people to pretend to be disinterested parties and use the Internet to promote themselves or their clients surreptitiously (Armando and Walmart are a good example). Just what soj was interested in, I have no idea. He could have been trying to promote anyone or anything, or just trying to destroy other people for the hell of it. But the Blog world seems to be full of these sorts of people, soj merely being an extreme example.

Well, I guess the whispers that The Surge was making Baghdad safer can stop now. Fifty-six people have been killed by a pair of car bombs in Baghdad. And 8 US soldiers were killed in Afghanistan when the copter they were riding in crashed. Fourteen other soldiers were injured to one degree or another in the same crash. It is said the crash was due to bad weather, easy enough to believe in Afghanistan at this time of year.

37. Miss Devore - 18 February 2007

well, this stuff about soj is a revelation to me, and I always thought she was female. the only dust-up I ever witnessed was when “she” admitted that she had posted under a boyfriend’s username, and she got a lot of grief for misrepresentation. or something. then she seemed to disappear for awhile, but I haven’t read much of h/er/im since then.

38. D. Throat - 18 February 2007

Ms. D.

This is how I see it.

Hilliary is no better and even worse than some of the GOPer running and I will NOT vote for her. Gore so far shows that he will be better than the GOPers and if he runs I look forwards to what he has to say and will be opened to voting for him.

39. D. Throat - 18 February 2007

Oop that was to Ms. X

40. colleen - 18 February 2007

Those who read DK may be able to answer this. I understand that the overtly misogynistic, racist liar (so beloved by the Next Hurrah crowd) jacinto has been outed over on DK. At least that’s what a post by PA Progressive http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=32065791&postID=117176726779039738&isPopup=true in this thread says. He/she also reports that jacinto is employed by a right wing think tank. Does anyone have further information? a link?

41. outofwater - 18 February 2007

* [new] Kos Bannings = Often Arbitrary and Capricious (0+ / 5-)
Trollrated by:lightiris, chumley, Clem Yeobright, FresnoKossack, PhantomFly

Don’t make the mistake of making a good-natured joke about a certain friend of Markos and his interest in astrology. It’ll get you tossed by the almighty one.

Kos has an ever increasing ‘body-count’ of burned bridges with respect to former members and corroborative communities; and yet, despite the fact that the only constant in the equation is Markos, he can’t bring himself to consider that maybe, just maybe, part of the problem lies with him.

Be Decent to Each Other

by The Officious Intermeddler on Sat Feb 17, 2007 at 02:44:44 PM CST

The standard response:

* [new] Then why are you here? (17+ / 0-)

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I don’t get those that whine, all the time, and then return and return and return. It’s borderline masochistic.

by turnover on Sat Feb 17, 2007 at 02:48:28 PM CST

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* [new] geez, go hang at redstate (3+ / 0-)
Recommended by:taylormattd, StevenJoseph, kestrel9000
They’ve got a nice little echo chamber there. Ever since they booted people left and right following the Domenech fiasco(plus a few other house cleaning episodes).

We must never lose it, or sell it, or give it away. We must never let them take it from us.

by Fabian on Sat Feb 17, 2007 at 04:10:22 PM CST

[ Parent ]

42. JJB - 18 February 2007

colleen,

I just found this cached comment thread that mentions this, and gives a couple of links. I think this might be the place where he works.

Hope that helps.

43. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 February 2007

it wouldn’t surprise me if jjacinto was. He writes like one of them.

44. marisacat - 18 February 2007

Dee-licious!

I always thought the hard nosed games that Dh played with jjacinto were just that, games.

Set-ups.

45. D. Throat - 18 February 2007

Booman drags out the old canard. The left is losing cuz it ain’t capitalistic enuf

The Progressives Institutional Disadvantage

The biggest disadvantage we have is that the people that are trying to lead a counteroffensive to neoconservatism are not well funded. Increasingly it seems that they are not even very well respected by their own audiences. They rarely appear on television, they don’t get gigs at the LA Times or Washington Post, and their radio appearances seem limited to Air America. We don’t have paid internships. He have no think tank. And, as soon as anyone takes a paying job, they lose a ton of street cred.

Is there any way for progressives to overcome their money disadvantage? Are we so suspicious of power that we refuse to do the things that increase our power?

No Booman… people lose street cred when they take money from the opposition. What fool in their right mind believes a supposed environmentalist that is funded by Chevron. OR supposed Democratic activist that are funded by right wing think tanks as in the case of NDN and DLC…

46. Tuston - 18 February 2007

G’day Bruces,

So the Sunday edition of the local Ganett rag has a story about the Army National Gaurd spending money on hotels for troops “gaurding” the border. Motel 6’s in Nogales for the Grunts, and world class golf resorts 80 miles north of the border for the brass.
AZ STARNET

While some of the money was spent on temporary lodging and lower-end places such as Motel 6 or the Americana Motor Hotel in Nogales, it was also spent at posh digs in the Foothills such as Loews Ventana Canyon Resort and the Westin La Paloma Resort and Spa.
Other upscale lodging such as the Doubletree Hotel and the Hotel Arizona have also been used.

Par for the course in the debauched state of our “republic,” but here is the tasty graf that really demonstrates far into fascism we have fallen:

Michael Dominguez, director of marketing for Ventana Canyon…added,“People at the resort liked seeing the soldiers. … It’s funny, but they felt safer.”

Maybe if the resort goers would tithe more to Rethuglicans and their Dumbocrat enablers they would finally get real soldiers in their hometown hotels and they could feel safe there too.

I’ve just gotta say that I can’t imagine why any soldiers sent to gaurd the border would be staying at places like these:

http://www.vacationidea.com/articles/loews_ventana_canyon_resort.html

http://www.westinlapalomaresort.com/

I guess they were talkin’ golf when they briefed the boyz on “HAZARDous Duty”

Maybe the Gaurd Officers were there to bust the resort for undocumented Mexican menial workers?

(/crickets chirping thunderously)

All joking aside. Where’s Lou Dobb’s on this fudiciary imbroglio?

47. marisacat - 18 February 2007

way way back I read that the grunts took exception to the transport planes that were ferrying all the golf carts to Kuwait, Doha Qatar and elsewehre in 2002/2003…

some of those golf carts arrived… damaged shall we say.

Seems pretty clear that as Dowd once said, “Lemon Fizzes on the Euphrates” ws the whole point.

And golf resorts near the US border.

I SO DID NOT BUY THE GENERALS’ GAMES IN SPRING. They could give a flying whoo whoo about the war and the dying.

All vote for Lemon Fizzes! tho.

48. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 February 2007

“People at the resort liked seeing the soldiers. … It’s funny, but they felt safer.”

If you wanted proof that Americans are morons, that sentence would get you started. THERE IS NOTHING REASSURING IN SEEING TROOPS IN THE STREETS. After 911, I always found the National Guard guys in the subway stations VERY disturbing. Looking at those huge M16s (confronting how big those rifles are in real life is a wakeup call from the watering down of seeing them on a screen) often brought to mind images of that young person opening up on the crowd if something happened.

49. marisacat - 18 February 2007

oh they just sicc’ed the federal form of cop on NYC and NO.

No other word for it. A hair’s breadth away from total lockdown.

50. earth to meg - 18 February 2007

Is it Carlos Jiacinto? In D.C.? Because this guy is all over Google, mostly commenting on Democratic websites. The same person has a myspace entry but it doesn’t mention his politics, although he’s apparently a hard-core Catholic. I think it’s the same guy, about 28, lives in D.C. At the very least, he’s smack in the center for DK politics but yeah, I’d consider him a right wing reactionary. His attitudes are extremely offensive, what I’ve read.

51. D. Throat - 18 February 2007

Is this sudden spate of Hilliary bashing on DK… a ruse to draw in “libruls”…. cuz I ain’t buying it.

52. Miss Devore - 18 February 2007

LOA returns from LOA at dk.

53. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 February 2007

I felt the same way, Mitm about the NG in the subways etc. It scared me more than the threat of a terror attack –

Re Jiacinto, I met him on DU over a year ago. Most people there thought he was a mole or at least so far right he couldn’t hide it. He hated Cynthia McKinney with a passion. But then, she is a woman and black and you find the same hatred for her amongst so-called Democrats also. I was surprised to see him on dk, but wasn’t sure if it was the same guy. Interesting that he was never banned at dk – lol!

Matt Stoller’s comment is interesting. I wonder if he will be allowed to continue to exress those sentiments, ie, voting out useless Democrats?

54. earth to meg - 18 February 2007

Mention McKinney on dkos and the racism really comes out. Yeah, you can’t hide that shit. It’s all unconscious, this hate and vileness towards anybody “different” (read: people of color, female, the poor). And on DK, you know it’s all bubbling just beneath the surface because so many of them are Republicans who sidled over after Iraq and the fundies took hold of their own party. They can’t hide it. Hell, it comes out just in the way they smack anybody down who can’t abide their own putrid beliefs about “centrism.”

“Go hang out on Red State. They’ve got a nice little ECHO CHAMBER there.”

Mirror not available, I guess.

55. Tuston - 18 February 2007

Hey all you Kos Bashing OCD GRRRLZ (GRRRLZettes…err..GRRRLZotos, eh whatever):

And just what the fuck is up with that? Joe Stalin brooked more dissent than Markos and his minions, a pack of gutless wonders who lack either the decency or the backbone to venture out of their cloistered confines to debate on a level playing field where they can’t use their delete keys like rubber truncheons in smacking down dissidents. I must say that even the most fervent of Republican chickenhawks have more intestinal fortitude than the soldiers of orange when it comes down to a fight. Kos cred should have been dead soon after that little rat bastard Joe Lieberman waxed Ned.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/2/15/184831/418

LMAO

Now I’m gonna have to go look for another draught of hemlock to end my second terminal laughing fit in 48 hours…

56. Tuston - 18 February 2007

OMFG.

The Belly Laughs just keep coming.

Check out the poll results from the “troll diary” linked above:

Poll
Ruler Of The Most Truth Adverse Regime In History

Adolf Hitler
17% 24 votes
Benito Mussolini
1% 2 votes
Josef Stalin
10% 15 votes
George W. Bush
44% 63 votes
Markos Molitsas Zuniga
24% 35 votes
Chancellor Adam Sutler
3% 4 votes

Kos beats Hitler on his own website!

I can’t help think that somewhere Godwin is perversely pleased with this poll…

57. Tuston - 18 February 2007

And now for something completely different:

The Larch

58. D. Throat - 18 February 2007
59. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 February 2007

D T, you can bash Hillary now, but once she’s the nominee you’ll have to get on board. Dk before country!

Lol, MissD – some things are so predictable –

Tuston, that poll is pretty disturbing, especially the results, despite how I feel about Kos, I have to say. Not cool, imo.

But his description of the keyboard thugs is dead on. Rightwingers do have more fortitude in that they’ll leave the comfort of their own boards and play on a level playing field.

‘Kossacks’ reserve all their venom for ‘fellow democrats’ and only on dk. They would be eviscerated if they left that venue, being that their act is already so old and people have had so much practice already.

60. Tuston - 18 February 2007

S.B.:

What is so disturbing? Hyperbolic, sure. But not nearly disturbing as the behavior that produces the sarcasm.

I don’t think anybody voting really believes that Kos is on par with Stalin or Hitler; they’re just voting for Kos as a duplictously wretched authoritarian tyrant, not that he would commit genocides and warcrimes etc.

I know good arguments have been made that equating a X tragedy with the holocaust/Nazis/etc. cheapens “real” suffering and is a dis-service. And perhaps they are right and true. But a little humor when commenting on the banal face of evil is welcome on my book.

(and what Kosco is up to is self-serving and sufficiently harmful to the general weal to be considered everyday evil in my other book)

But perhaps you meant “disturbing” in some other way?

61. marisacat - 18 February 2007
62. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 February 2007

Sorry, Tuston, it was just a reaction. I know it is dark humor and appreciate that. And I admit, it is funny and quite revealing that on his own board, people feel he is not trustworthy. I don’t know,

I can’t explain it. I let my mind go to the history first so then I lose the humor. Not sure if you understand that. Such names conjur up horror in my mind, even though I never experienced any of it.

Not being PC and not saying others shouldn’t have fun with it. Hope that explains it – 🙂

63. Tuston - 18 February 2007

SB:

Word. I totally grok where you’re comming from.

I take alot of my humor cues from Heinlein’s Valentine Michael Smith’s take on laughter, ” humans laugh when it hurts too much to cry”

Not that Kos makes me laugh (other than sardonically), or 20th century genocidal history can’t still make me cry( ain’t tears o-joy, neither), but I think ya know what I mean…

64. colleen - 18 February 2007

Is this sudden spate of Hilliary bashing on DK… a ruse to draw in “libruls”…. cuz I ain’t buying it.

I think, rather, it’s a ruse to frame the ‘centrist’ blogs as somehow populist and set the stage for backing some horrible candidate like Wesley Clark or Bill Richardson as (oh make me laugh) the anti-Hillary. They want so badly to be relevant and the only way they’re going to manage it is to raise a shit load of money for the highest bidder.
I also think that entire young feminists fired by the Edwards campaign who cannot even stand up for “his women” (a direct characterization and one which make me sick to my stomach) brou-ha-ha was orchestrated for the same reasons.

Thanks to JJB for the information about Carlos. Very interesting

65. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2007

If you wanted proof that Americans are morons, that sentence would get you started. THERE IS NOTHING REASSURING IN SEEING TROOPS IN THE STREETS.

No kidding. I remember the first time I went to Jamaica and was constantly surrounded by cops with M16s. Not “reassuring” at all. Quite the contrary.

66. ms_xeno - 18 February 2007

I’d be willing to bet that the “reassured” folks exist in the same proportion to the three or four pro-Bush “demonstrators” you’ll always see on the news after a march. Sure, there are several thousand anti-war demonstrators, but the news must be “fair and balanced” and spend half a three-minute segment interviewing the tiny segment of the populace that showed up to defend the status quo.

Then it’s on to another pic of Anna Nicole’s corpse !! Wheeeee !!!

67. wu ming - 18 February 2007

having friends in the national guard, i was fucking terrified by the kids with M-16s in the airports, when i flew out of the country on 9/15/2001. kids looking like ther tough guys they imagine that the crowd wants to see. shades of orwell’s “killing an elephant.”

my favorite game with jiacinto was feeding him black female dem names and seeing if he can think of dems he hates that weren’t black women. rather transparent, right down to the living in DC. i always suspected ihlin as prolife astroturf as well, never caught her outright.


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