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Oh… storm the battlements. Just for the hell of it… 6 March 2007

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…a couple of wonderful posts around this evening – one from Madman on the modern battlements, Fortification and Empire… and a complex post from “XP”, who is also Para Justicia Y Libertad, on eugenics, those sometimes rather creepy ‘zero pop’ people… (always too white!) and related issues of immigration, land use, trade and reproductive rights … and really, what is there unrelated to keeping the population, the teeming mass, at bay.


Empires are expensive to expand and expensive to maintain. They require the spending of piles of treasure and fountains of blood, not just the blood of those being absorbed, but also the blood of soldier and citizen. Over time, this fact will cause not only resentment from the conquered, but also unrest and dissent from within. Those who profit from empire … the wealthy, the merchant classes (in our time the corporations), the mainstream clergy, the politicians … will need to take more and more precautions to protect themselves. They will set up fortifications and enforcement mechanisms to protect themselves, wrapping them in promises that these moves are for everyone’s security.  [snip]

Justicia Y Libertad…

[T]hrough neoliberal ideologies and policies, complementary eugenics is closely tied to the shrinking of the welfare state that casts more and more people as drains on the economy and the state – not just the poor and people of color, but also elderly people and people with disabilities. Therefore, it is not surprising then that one can recognize signs of negative eugenics in population control measures and technologies aimed at impoverished women. Even though complementary eugenics can be found in neoliberal ideologies, conservative ideologues have manipulated the fears of scarcity in order to cast impoverished people as burdens and to foment racist assaults on immigrants and people of color.

This climate helps foster and legitimize eugenic thinking. According to conservative population growth lies at the heart of most environmental problems such as energy use, the depletion of natural resources, and deforestation. The prevailing notion of carrying capacity claims that population growth naturally entails increased resource consumption. This prepares the groundwork for blaming the poor for the destruction carried out by big landowners, transnational companies, and mega-projects financed by multilateral institutions such as the World Bank, whose purpose is to export natural resources to feed consumption and production in the US.  [snip]



1. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 March 2007

thanks for the link.

That XP piece is great, and the two trends are related. Control and conquer.

2. supervixen - 6 March 2007

I just took a look at FDL to see how they were covering the verdict, and it’s breathtaking. The brazen self-promotion, that is:

My heart was pounding in my chest as it all started to become real for me, all we’d done, how far we’d come.

And if you appreciated our coverage, and would like to see more of the same in the future, feel free to hit the PayPal button on the sidebar. We’re just getting started…

I didn’t know the Libby trial was all about THEM and their CAREERS! Gosh, I must not have been paying enough attention.

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 March 2007

oh good, another “non-lethal” weapon … this one supposedly makes you fall down and puke.

4. Sabrina Ballerina - 6 March 2007

Great post again, Mitm.

Empire is the discussion this country ought to be having now. At least that’s one thing the Bush administration did, it revealed so much about the policies of this country. Just trying to end the war in Iraq, even if it worked, would not be nearly enough. From what we’ve learned, the problem is way bigger than that and the American people need to decide if they are on board with the idea that this country is not what we thought and Iraq is only the tip of the iceberg.

SV, that’s what’s so glaringly offensive about this big blogsl. The notion that they are the center of every story. For their information, many, many blogs did as much to follow the Plame story as they did, long before they decided to make it a career move. And not one ever tried to profit from their efforts to get the news out to those who relied only on the media for information.

I followed the story on several blogs and some of the best reporting was on DU with no one making a dime from the work they did. What we learned, we passed on to others trying to overcome the media blackout of any negative news about this administration. I do not see anything on FDL or DK that I had not already learned elsewhere, other than the self-promotion and the profiteering. DK is selling the FDL book on its FP today.

5. Revisionist - 6 March 2007

I was just saw a story about Israel “alledgely” kidnapping an Iranian general in Turkey. The provacation aspect aside, what other nation on the planet could get away with that BS time and time again with no one saying a word about it. If it were reversed we would probably be declaring war.

6. marisacat - 6 March 2007

I followed the story on several blogs and some of the best reporting was on DU with no one making a dime from the work they did.

Sooo true. Just people, coming there every day. And recording.

I think from way back FDL had their eyes on a movie. Whihc is fine, but sometime ago it appeared to me that OBVIOUSLY the wilson book, the Wilson story would take precedence (and was recently optioned I think I read). Why not.

And frankly I think WIlson catered to the blogsnots, for gosh a year or more now, to protect the possiblity of future sales for his book and whatever other projects.

7. marisacat - 6 March 2007

oh SB

at one point I went back… FDL raised 65K for that book to be published, thru what else?, Kos Enterprises.

GMAFB, how naive are these people???

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 March 2007

thanks Sabrina

9. moiv - 6 March 2007

MitM and XP together, nailing it to the wall once again.

The have-mores began with their gated communities, and won’t be able to stop themselves until we see a Green Zone in every major city. They’ll give all the ‘brown people’ ID badges and bus them in for power-washing and yardwork. Out before dark.

10. arcturus1 - 6 March 2007

Robert Parry’s on flashpoints now

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 March 2007

More creeping fascism

On the second floor of a state office building here, upstairs from a food court, three facial-recognition specialists are revolutionizing American law enforcement. They work for the Massachusetts motor vehicles department.

Last year they tried an experiment, for sport. Using computerized biometric technology, they ran a mug shot from the Web site of “America’s Most Wanted,” the Fox Network television show, against the state’s database of nine million digital driver’s license photographs.

The computer found a match. A man who looked very much like Robert Howell, the fugitive in the mug shot, had a Massachusetts driver’s license under another name. Mr. Howell was wanted in Massachusetts on rape charges.

The analysts passed that tip along to the police, who tracked him down to New York City, where he was receiving welfare benefits under the alias on the driver’s license. Mr. Howell was arrested in October.

At least six other states have or are working on similar enormous databases of driver’s license photographs. Coupled with increasingly accurate facial-recognition technology, the databases may become a radical innovation in law enforcement.

12. Sabrina Ballerina - 6 March 2007

And frankly I think WIlson catered to the blogsnots, for gosh a year or more now, to protect the possiblity of future sales for his book and whatever other projects. – marisacat

It’s funny too that at the very beginning of all this, when no one knew what the outcome would be, I remember Joe Wilson sending a message to DU asking them to keep the story alive as he was getting thrashed by the rightwing and really needed people to back him up. There was no ‘quid pro quo’ or anything, just somene who, at the time, had stood up to the bullies and was about to be smeared as had others who dared to tell the truth. People spread the word after that, wrote letters to the papers and assured him that they ‘had his back’. But I never see anyone on that site claim they were responsible in any way for the verdict today. They kept their promise, without any material reward, by answering the smears wherever they found them. And I really do think that was an example of what people in large numbers, with no personal agenda, can do.

The big blogs have stood in the way of that kind of activism and corralled whatever power there was for their own personal benefit. If anything, they’ve diminished the potential of the ‘people power’ the internet provided.

I did hear about a lot of money going to the writing of a book at FDL. What should have happened and it would have been far cheaper since people were so willing to donate their talents, was to simply put together much of the writings of the many people who followed the story closely and reported on it. It could have been available online (in fact much of it is) with little or no cost. Even if people donated, the money could have gone to causes more deserving than individuals who saw mostly personal opportunity in the story.

Moiv – a scary thought, but in some ways it’s already happening here with the illegal immigrant situation. That is those who are not in detention camps.

13. marisacat - 6 March 2007

ABC news is covering the Purity Balls… where the daughters pledge (ugh) their virginity to their (ugh) fathers. Beyond creepy.

BUT here is the NOOZ… there is FEDERAL MONEY payng for some of these abstinence jamborees.

Sunk.. and sinking!

14. missdevore - 6 March 2007

“SOUTH BERWICK, Maine (AP) — The world premiere of Three Days in the Life, a documentary about John Lennon, was canceled after lawyers for the slain Beatle’s widow, Yoko Ono, warned that she had not authorized any public viewing of the film.”

I’ve always felt very ambivalent about Yoko. Not for any “breaking up the Beatles” reasons. And I know artists for whom I have a great deal of respect, think highly of her. And I don’t get it. I recall in the Playboy interview with Lennon, shortly before he was killed, his mentioning her as the consumate financial manager. And that characterization has persisted through the years. Which seems so at odds with those grand symbolic gestures she throws out from time to time. So she was the person he was married to at the time he died, and they had a child together. But somehow her claim upon the life of a hugely public figure seems disproportionate.

Is it some kind of Hillary syndrome: “I should have been the president/famous artist”, etc.? He ran off with a young thing for awhile, but I managed to keep him!

15. Tuston - 6 March 2007

sunker and sinking more, deeper, faster

From an elle msnbc poll:

Of male respondents, 41 percent said men are more likely to be good leaders, and 33 percent of women agreed. And three out of four women who expressed a preference said they would rather work for a man than a woman.

The survey, conducted early this year, found a bonanza of stereotypes among those polled, with many using the optional comment section to label women “moody,” “bitchy,” “gossipy” and “emotional.” The most popular term for woman, used 347 times, was “catty.”

There are still few women in the corner office today, and the numbers appear to be declining. Our survey sheds light on one obstacle blocking women from the boardroom: negative attitudes about women leaders— attitudes women themselves still harbor.

“One cannot live in a sexist society without absorbing some of those messages, which make women feel worse about themselves and suspicious of other women,” said Janet Lever, a professor of sociology at California State University in Los Angeles, who helped conceive the survey. “The enemy is omnipresent cultural messages, not women themselves.”

There are long-established attributes that are assigned to men and women, says Madeline E. Heilman, an expert on workplace sex bias and professor of psychology at New York University. Women take care of others and nurture, while men are seen as taking charge and being assertive. The problem is, she says, when we map these attributes onto the workplace the male attributes are much more sought after.

“I call this the lack of fit,” she explains, because the perceived attributes of women don’t fit the leadership mold. “When women succeed in areas they’re not supposed to they are disapproved of greatly, by everyone, men and women.”

Indeed, our survey found that about 33 percent of men and women would rather work for a man, while about 13 percent would prefer working for a woman. (The remaining 54 percent had no preference.)

And when asked who would be more likely to lead effectively, males were preferred by more than a 2-1 margin by both men and women — even though women got high marks for being problem solvers and providing more supportive work environments.

16. liberalcatnip - 6 March 2007

Hey MiTM, are you familiar with infowarrior.org’s mailing list? They round up all kinds of security-related stories daily and send them out. (Not just techie stuff). PogoWasRight is also a good source for “creeping fascism” news.

17. liberalcatnip - 6 March 2007


Here’s an anti Iraq containment piece I thought you’d find interesting (considering your reaction to Booman’s post).

18. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 March 2007

no, I wasn’t catnip. Thanks for the links.

19. liberalcatnip - 6 March 2007

The most popular term for woman, used 347 times, was “catty.”

I get that a lot. How about you mcat? 😉

20. NYCee - 6 March 2007

chickens coming home to roost

nonchickenhawks limping home to rest (uneasily).

feels so of a piece with this whole horrid war cycle to me. one that keeps spiraling further down.

Started paying more attention to the walter reed story yesterday and today. It bleeds across the map. god. all of a piece, aint it?

21. New Fake Name - 6 March 2007

MD #14,

Re: The “Controlling Yoko” hypothesis. It could be partly cultural. In spite of the submissive outward image, there is a very long tradition of Japanese wives holding dictatorial control over the household economy and domestic decision-making functions.

22. XP - 6 March 2007

thanks for the link. When I was working for a community organization, I was able to see the who abstinence being demanded on us to be implemented. Once that took place, the numbers of births were are on the rise.

The organization also had a HIV sex ed component that provided a standardized health education and risk reduction curriculum that contained information regarding the ineffectiveness of preventing HIV/AIDS and STD. It also addressed self-esteem issues, communication and negotiation skills, and information related to Prevention Counseling. Thanks to the Great Decider, they said nope.

The CDC mandated that the agency do a single-session, video-based HIV/STD prevention program called VOICES/VOCES, the video is “designed to encourage condom use and improve condom negotiation skills.” All information was going to be done by a fucking video. I kid you not.

And they wonder why the abstinence program is not working.

23. NYCee - 6 March 2007

Check this one out (No, it’s not from Alan Dershowitz)

there is a reason for it (7+ / 0-)

Israel is the only democratic nation in the region, surrounded by the sea of hate and backward fundamentalism. Israelis literally turned a desert into a brilliant oasis. They are an inspiration in ingenuity, courage, and resilience. They’ve been defending themselves since the inception of their tiny and fragile country.

As a member of USAF I’ll also note the huge respect our military has for Israeli forces. We train with them and they have taught us things (in urban combat) that have saved countless American lives.
It’s no wonder Americans respect Israelis.

SwordsCrossed “To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it.” AR

by EnderRS on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 06:18:16 PM EST
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And the post comes from this diary, which is still up.

On Israel and American Public Opinion

It’s so naive, it’s pathetic. The gist: Americans poll in large support of Israel because they really really like Israel and that is why Congress really really likes AIPAC et al and that is why EdwardsHillaryObamaEtAl simply MUST vote as the people wish them to do – for Israel, against Palestinians.

Crikey! Ever hear of ONE sided info from about all our institutions when it comes to Israel? I said on it to ask Dean, Walt and Mearsheimer, Carter, Rachel Corrie (well, her play’s producers) what happens when one tries to EVEN the OUTput, to balance the scales a little more. If you cant balance the scales, you cant have justice. That is why the whole IP thing is in such a horrid holding pattern.

These people who write this shite are so ignorant.

24. supervixen - 6 March 2007

Such opportunism. More and more I’m getting the impression that a lot of these political bloggers are thinking of the war and the downfall of this country as a convenient springboard for their own careers. CarpetBlahgers.

BUT here is the NOOZ… there is FEDERAL MONEY payng for some of these abstinence jamborees.

Ooh, I want to hear some more about THAT!!!

Miss D – I have no idea about the documentary – maybe the issue is something to do with rights to photos, video, etc. My impression is that Yoko guards copyrights quite fiercely. I’ve never known what to make of Yoko but I’ve never had the antipathy toward her that many others have. Tony Bramwell’s recent tell-all book about his days with the Beatles, Magical Mystery Tours, is interesting – he absolutely LOATHES Yoko and rips her every chance he gets. There are some hair-raising stories to tell. Everyone who hung with the Beatles seems to fall into a different “camp” and he’s in the Paul camp, not the John camp, so he depicts Paul as a saint and Linda as the perfect woman, whereas Yoko is an evil monster and John is a deluded dumbass. I dunno, I don’t feel I have to judge her – honestly, I think it’s amusing that she pissed, and still pisses, so many people off.

25. NYCee - 6 March 2007

Wow … just posted something all linked up and blockquoted, etc…

and it just blipped off into nothingness.

usually I can backspace and retrieve the text, but nada.

Is it tied up marisa, in your vault of lost posts, or whatever that special situation space is? lol.

anyway, Ill repeat the main link here, which leads to an incredibly needful of the ignorant diary which claims, gist, that EdwardsHillObama all genunflect before AIPAC because the majority of American people are PRO Israel and ANTI Palestinian. it has nothing, of course, to do with the fact that that is the way information is controlled for the masses by our major institutions – govt, media, educational – PRO Israel and ANTI Palestinian. And anti truth, too, of course.


On Israel and American Public Opinion

There was a very dershowitzish post on it that I had blockquoted. I’ll get it.

26. moiv - 6 March 2007


Lots of people would like to know more about that. 😉

A major recipient of federal money is Leslee “Nolo contendere” Unruh, director of National Abstinence Clearinghouse. Leslee’s the queen of the purity balls, and a longtime collaborator of our new family planning czar, Dr. Erick “Just-Say-No” Keroack.

27. marisacat - 6 March 2007


just let two of yours out, the linked and blockquoted and the follow-up…

both were sent to Spam.

It has sent all of madman’s posts but I think one to spam today.. plus about 25 others.

Not sure what is wrong. It is always a bit “tense” over 2+ links and over 25 lines (no matter how I try to loosen the defaults) but today Spam file is


28. missdevore - 6 March 2007

oh, it was always that way with the Beatles. You had to pick your favorite Beatle and pledge loyalty.

At twelve, i did fantasize about Paul dumping Jane Asher for me.

29. moiv - 6 March 2007

Sorry, SV, I doubled up on the Leslee link and left out the one for Keroack.

30. NYCee - 6 March 2007

God you are so prolific, marisa. I feel like I have only been away from here for a spell, and there are like 4 posts up since then, which was late afternoon, yesterday.

Did you catch the Fisk on DN yesterday? For the hour… and not a minute wasted.

31. missdevore - 6 March 2007

#2 svix

kind of sounds like the end of Molly Blooms’s monologue in Ulysses–and I said guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty, and he asked me if I was his An-delusion Rose Law firm and I said yes.

32. New Fake Name - 6 March 2007

NYCee #23

There’s Gallup, and then there is the REST of the World..

Israel, Iran top ‘negative list’

33. NYCee - 6 March 2007

thanks for that retrieval, marisa.

Must say…

I caught up on some older older posts a couple of days ago and just want to say to boohoohooman: your bob johnson mini sketch was fab.

34. marisacat - 6 March 2007

NYCee.. no I missed Fisk… will read the transcript.

I had PBS on and let Charlie Rose stay on (comes on at the same time here as Amy on another PBS channel). He had Reid.

It was awful. I mean awful.

35. missdevore - 6 March 2007

hilarity–a/btd has updated his GBCW!

“we’re living in historic times” as the prez would say.

36. NYCee - 6 March 2007

Oh, Im so sorry Marisa. Have a little Fisk to take the edge off …. no shame in truth telling from him. Might be a nice antidote, but I would recommend doing the video if possible, only because he is so passionate when he speaks, it makes it extra enjoyable to listen while learning. He touches on a lot. Amy asks good questions. He’s in good spirits, right there in the firehouse studio.

Was the CR awful because Reid was too shady and sidewinding and dissembling and weak tea by HALF…???



Thankee kindly for that link. It’s a keeper. (The BBC online always has these great studies posted… that one can use in future jousts and rumbles)

37. missdevore - 6 March 2007

#21 New fake name–I have also heard about that phenomena in the Arab/Mulsim world-woman ultimately with the purse strings. But I also recall that Yoko was the daughter of a well-placed man in Japan. And I know the world-wide phenomena of wealthy offspring playing rooted-in-the earth characters.

It’s the trust funds.

38. missdevore - 6 March 2007

I’d agree that the fired fed prosecuters was the great story of today. thank goddess I can play the CSPAN on my new computer.

let us call transparent that which is transparent.


39. Madman in the Marketplace - 6 March 2007

they’re laying the groundwork to kill any future investigations, should some ambitious politician see that there is LOTS of populist gold to be mined should he/she choose to go after the Bushists.

Sadly, the only putative candidate who I can see might have the stomach for it is Chuck Hegel, and if the “unity” people do suck him in and pair him w/ Holy Joe THAT possibility would go right out the window.

40. Sabrina Ballerina - 6 March 2007

NYCee, #23 – Enders is a Republican. He posts at Swords Crossed and despite his rightwing garbage is in no danger of being banned at dk. Only progressives are banned at that site. As for the poll on support for Israel, even if that were true, Americans are hardly in a position to make any judgement about that situation since our media has long ago given up all attempts to present both sides of the issue. They used to at least allow some speakers for the Palestinian side of the conflict.

I did read that starting in 2000 there was a real effort to shut down any positive coverage of the Palestinians. Before that we used to see footage that did get sympathy for the Palestinians, and I imagine polls back then had very different results. Hillary made the mistake after the footage of a Palestinian boy dying in the arms of his father was shown on CNN, of saying that the Palestinians deserved justice, or something like that. She was immediately set upon at the time, and apparently has been properly re-educated.

41. Tuston - 6 March 2007

LuciousV is such a funny guy; it’s a dead pan and unconciously ironic kind of funny, but it is funny.
From tonite’s OPOL top rec hippie love paen diary

I give a damn. (23+ / 0-)
Does that mean I am not required to read the diary?

Just kidding.

I love the quote “Hate is not conquered by hate, but by love.” It is a paraphrase of the old Christian saying ‘Love thy enemies.’

And ironically, Nixon himself realized that too late for himself, and his fellow Republicans have yet to realize the message: “Always remember, others may hate you. But those who hate you don’t win unless you hate them. And then you destroy yourself.”

Hate, a primal human instinct and emotion, is the key to much of the sorrow in this world.

I’m all for a kinder gentler Lucious Vag, but lest any of youse catty types (not to be confused with cato types) think that its all velvet glove, no iron(y) the following reparte will assure the skeptics that Vag is still able lay down the law with his wet noodle:

I’m not sure we have the votes for love. (14+ / 0-)

Let’s wait to do something about it until some Republican Senators take up the cause.

by JeremyA on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:25:24 PM MST

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I’m not sure we have the votes for love. by JeremyA, Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 04:25:24 PM MST (14+ / 0-)
Unnecessary. (2+ / 0-)

And this comment does not fit the message of this diary.

Post Hoc, Ergo Propter Hoc

I support Barack Obama for President.

I know I shouldn’t love to watch so much trash blahhging, but like a car crash its just too morbidly fascinating to refrain…

42. marisacat - 6 March 2007
43. marisacat - 6 March 2007


Oh Reid was just his smarmy self… said his boys are great, they are not lobbysits… LOl which all of them were, at one time…. IIRC, LATimes did a big piece on his sons a couple years ago. They had to be warned off doing lobbying for business that was before the congress… so I assume they were fairly egregious. Of course next to Abramoff, who cares I guess.

he moaned about how they can do nothing with no mandate, not a “real majority”.. blah blah. And how much he loves Bush 1… I mean over and over. Love for bush and 3 times that I counted that they are not a real majority and are powerless.

I mean lie down and die in your pink tutu…

44. liberalcatnip - 6 March 2007

Those pesky irfts…

rofl…I don’t know why, but I found that comment hilarious. 😉

I know I shouldn’t love to watch so much trash blahhging, but like a car crash its just too morbidly fascinating to refrain…

It’s more like glancing through Weekly World News for me (which only happens in the checkout aisle about twice a year). Did you know they have video of batboy in the NYC subway on their site? Raise the terra alert!

45. liberalcatnip - 6 March 2007

Oh, the thot plickens:

BTW (1+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
Same As It Ever Was

On outing, you know the first person to out me a Big Tent Democrat was an Admin.

He asked me pointedly how the weather was in Puerto Rico.

Meaningful standards kos enforces here.


Let’s Go Gators!

by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 09:01:46 PM MST

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BTW by Big Tent Democrat, Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 09:01:46 PM MST (1+ / 0-)

Want to see who did it? (0 / 0)

Want to see who cheered it on? The stcklers for the rules.

Think they might be banned?

Let’s Go Gators!

by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 09:04:42 PM MST

That was DHinMI.

Really now. Who EVER would have guessed that btd was Armando?? This is getting more fun by the minute…

46. Miss Devore - 6 March 2007

just a thought:

the dems aren’t worse off than any repubs at this point.

it is a matter of “sad, but true”

opportunity knocks on the door of the deaf, I guess.

47. marisacat - 6 March 2007

that has been the battle there, between DH and Armando.

Each side arrayed with their proxies and supporters and detractors.

48. New Fake Name - 6 March 2007

LC #45

Frankly, I think DHinMI IS Moultiis’ real identity.

49. missdevore - 6 March 2007

I thought I outed him. Oh well, I guess I have to sell pencils on the subway now.

50. wu ming - 6 March 2007

missD – one of the ironies of the patriarchy is that by pushing separate spheres to exclude women from the public sphere it tends to produce strong female control of the household.

just as how the practice of marrying older men to younger brides tends to produce widowed matriarchs in old age.

oh, madman – i see hagel as being of a piece with the moderate dems, in that he might occasionally talk a good line, he’ll ultimately just put the appearance of debate on a unanimous decision to perpetuate empire and oligarchy. not someone i’d expect to do more than whinge about incompetant emperors.

51. Revisionist - 6 March 2007

NFM — thats funny. I have been thinking about that for about a week. Most forums admins and nearly all game developers have a sock puppet they post as or use to play Henry V. I have been thinking about who Kos probably is. I dont know DH well enough to agree or disagree but I am sure someone is Kos.

52. liberalcatnip - 6 March 2007

I thought I outed him. Oh well, I guess I have to sell pencils on the subway now.

With batboy?

Frankly, I think DHinMI IS Moultiis’ real identity.

Hmmm…I don’t see that, unless kos has multiple personalities.

DH, LV, Bob Johnson…they all seem like the same sort to me. Constipated minds. Anal-retentive twits.

53. ms_xeno - 6 March 2007

I would like to hire somebody to be my LJ sock puppet. Just show up once a week and massage my ego for a couple of paragraphs. I will pay in collages.

Just got back from the Lynn Stewart talk. It was very interesting, well attended, etc.

54. bayprairie - 6 March 2007

quite unlike the energizer bunny sancho keeps going, and going, and going…yet never is gone!

one last all nighter? purrrrhaps

The history relates that the outcry Don Quixote, the curate, and the barber heard came from the niece and the housekeeper exclaiming to Sancho, who was striving to force his way in to see Don Quixote while they held the door against him, “What does the vagabond want in this house? Be off to your own, brother, for it is you, and no one else, that delude my master, and lead him astray, and take him tramping about the country.”

To which Sancho replied, “Devil’s own housekeeper! it is I who am deluded, and led astray, and taken tramping about the country, and not thy master! He has carried me all over the world, and you are mightily mistaken. He enticed me away from home by a trick, promising me an island, which I am still waiting for.”

55. Ezekiel - 6 March 2007

From an MSOC diary on her site:

Hell, I used to spend upwards of eight to ten to TWELVE hours a day on that site. Tell ME I don’t love DKos. Fuck you AND that fucking horse you rode in on.

That explains a lot.

Though I must admit it is consuming more and more time to keep up with this site. 😉

56. marisacat - 6 March 2007

as baypraiire once said, Kos made sure he had addicts. He wanted that constant mad posting and refreshing to boost numbers.

What always amazed me were how many of them had small children. Quite a few.

57. D. Throat - 6 March 2007

Adam B the “progressive” Daily Kos lawyer is once again promoting GOP Talking Points

Here goes (12+ / 0-)

Across the aisle, the pro-life movement has allowed itself to be used and let down by the Republican Party for the past thirty-five years. Every leader promises they will fight to end abortion in America; they have not delivered. Via Congress, they’ve received the Hyde Amendment (30 years ago) and an attempted ban on a procedure so rare that it wasn’t even discussed a decade ago. On the judiciary, for every Scalia they’ve received a Souter; for Thomas, they’ve had Kennedy and O’Connor. And yet, every year, they allow their grassroots energy, their voices and their wallets to be used by leaders who will never deliver to them what they want.

We have neither the time nor the patience to wait. Our soldiers are dying, and OBL will celebrate his 50th birthday on Saturday, alive and free. If the Democratic leadership does not deliver, we will not keep waiting for another series of empty promises. They must deliver.

Yes, efforts may be vetoed. Certain paths may be deemed constitutionally suspect. But try, dammit. That’s why you’re there.

this is my blog. Warning: 99% apolitical.

by Adam B on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 02:59:32 PM PST

Where does one start on this GOP lie? Adam is a laywer… has he just ignored the myriad of legal restrictions enforced upon women for the last 30 years. I mean it is incredulous that this day and age a supposed “progressive” can say this shit…

Adam B just strengthens the frame of selfish “single issue” voters while denying that this issue has and is being attacked more and more agressively by the right and by Democrats for Life (from the Boyz pal Tim Ryan). Is it now Virgina and Texas that want to curtail privacy laws and make public the identities of women who have abortion….

Yes, Adam B… it is a damn shame that the GOP have sat around and done nothing….

What is truly sad that with all of the purges and bannings… all of the sane people have left DK… there used to be a time when someone was there to correct idiotic statements like this… no that job is left up to the “feminismsists” Elise….

58. liberalcatnip - 6 March 2007

Ouch: This is idiocy, not feminism.

I wouldn’t go quite that far, but she does have a point.

59. marisacat - 7 March 2007

well nobody said he was a smart lawyer.

Just another paper drudge that sees politics as a way out. And of course all of these people know that a lot of money sluices around in poltiics.

Money and tangible goods.

So he could care less about all the laws making abortion hard to obtain…

60. marisacat - 7 March 2007

well she is wrong here:

The threat to abortion rights in America is not as great a violation of women’s liberties as deaths from unsafe abortion in sub-Saharan Africa, but protesting about the first injustice is the way to prevent its deterioration to the level of the second.

they are absolutely linked. Between faith based monies in Africa, the fucked Catholic church (some Protestant groups in Africa DO try to teach about condoms and safety and so on), a desire to leave people ignorant and unserved (lack of medical access) PEPFAR fucked monies (money for drug treatment that is still too expensive, not an emphasis on prevention and education) all mixed up wtih US government+Gates Foundation+Bono and his games… and so on. And global gag rule…

It goes on and on.

Ooops meant to add, I agree with her on the minimisation of the day = and assiging importance to what matters… Kind of like what Ehrenreich has written about infantilisng owmen with cancer with the pink ribbon and the pink teddy bears.

61. liberalcatnip - 7 March 2007

I didn’t read it that way, mcat. I just saw her comparing the risks in the two continents ie. you’re more likely to die from an unsafe abortion in Africa than in the US and that rights need to be promoted in both places for the sake of all women involved. (Although I’m tired and should be in bed soon, so I might have missed something.)

62. liberalcatnip - 7 March 2007

Trouble for Obama?

Less than two months after ascending to the United States Senate, Barack Obama bought more than $50,000 worth of stock in two speculative companies whose major investors included some of his biggest political donors.

One of the companies was a biotech concern that was starting to develop a drug to treat avian flu. In March 2005, two weeks after buying about $5,000 of its shares, Mr. Obama took the lead in a legislative push for more federal spending to battle the disease.

The most recent financial disclosure form for Mr. Obama, an Illinois Democrat, also shows that he bought more than $50,000 in stock in a satellite communications business whose principal backers include four friends and donors who had raised more than $150,000 for his political committees.

A spokesman for Mr. Obama, who is seeking his party’s presidential nomination in 2008, said yesterday that the senator did not know that he had invested in either company until fall 2005, when he learned of it and decided to sell the stocks. He sold them at a net loss of $13,000.

Looks like it was a blind trust situation until it wasn’t quite as blind anymore.

And, umm, what?

Even so, the stock purchases raise questions about how he could unwittingly come to invest in two relatively obscure companies, whose backers happen to include generous contributors to his political committees. Among those donors was Jared Abbruzzese, a New York businessman now at the center of an F.B.I. inquiry into public corruption in Albany, who had also contributed to Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a group that sought to undermine John Kerry’s Democratic presidential campaign in 2004.


63. D. Throat - 7 March 2007

Everyone is jumping the gun at slinging the shit…

All Hilliary had going for her… was the air of invincibility…

Now that the “back up” singer is overpowering her weak feeble message… Hilliary’s “Dreamgirl” routine is ready to go solo… and is trying to dump the “back up” singers… sooner than expected…

Obama is belting out a full throated rendition of “… And I am Telling You I Am Not Going”... that would make the orginal cast proud.

64. bayprairie - 7 March 2007

In one-half of a short paragraph Adam Bonin trumpets his ignorance on the history of reproductive rights in the United States. I’m sad to say this is one of the major, ongoing problems with the online progressive movement, men who speak “authoritatively” on women’s reproductive rights, or use the issue for unrelated politican ends, and don’t know a thing about what they’re talking about.

Across the aisle, the pro-life movement has allowed itself to be used and let down by the Republican Party for the past thirty-five years. Every leader promises they will fight to end abortion in America; they have not delivered. Via Congress, they’ve received the Hyde Amendment (30 years ago)…

haven’t delivered? is he mad? and what’s this “30 years ago” business?

The Hyde amendment is a BUDGET amendment! It’s renewed yearly. 30 years ago sure, and every year since, and always passed, I pointedly add, with democratic party support (so that “across the aisle” is laughable). however, it isn’t debated every year, the last known debate on the hyde amendment was in 1994. of course we have democratic leadership now, in both house and senate, im sure they’ll get around to debating it soon and restore the rights of american women of modest means.

Hyde Amendment: A Bi-Partisan Disaster ::::pdf link:::

In June 1976, the House of Representatives passed an amendment to the Health, Education and Welfare (HEW) budget banning the use of Medicaid funds for abortions, named for its sponsor, Representative Henry Hyde (R-IL). The Senate refused to agree and the issue reached an impasse. Up until then, President Gerald Ford had indicated that he would veto such a provision. Once the presidential campaign swung into full gear, Jimmy Carter, as the Democratic nominee, emphasized his personal opposition to abortion and federal funding for abortions. Only after Carter made his position known did Ford reverse his and the Senate caved in, reconciling the two versions of the HEW budget including the Hyde Amendment. The bill was passed into law on September 30, 1976 and became official in August 1977

Thus, although the Hyde Amendment was first passed into law under a Republican president, Gerald Ford, it was a Democratic presidential candidate, Jimmy Carter, who was instrumental in pushing Ford to reverse his position and to support the measure. The Hyde Amendment is thus a truly bipartisan disaster. Since 1976, the Hyde Amendment has been inserted each year into the budget of HEW, now Health and Human Services (HHS), often without debate. Prior to 1976, the federal government funded about 300,000 abortions a year for Medicaid recipients. In 1995, when the law was slightly less restrictive than now, that number has dwindled to less than three hundred.

so the republicans “across the aisle” gave the “pro-life” movement the hyde amendment eh?

The politics of abortion in the House of Representatives in 1976.

Between June 24-August 10, 1976 there were 3 roll call votes on the amendment in the House of Representatives and during this period support for the amendment increased from 54%-69%. Multiple classification analysis was used to analyze the relative influence of 11 independent variables on the voting behavior of the representatives. The 11 variables included 1) the age, educational level, sex, and religious affliation of the representative; 2) the representative’s party affliation, degree of constituent support, and previous voting record on liberal issues; and 3) the average income, racial composition, geographical location, and the % of urban residents in the representative’s district. The factor which served as the best indicator of the representative’s vote on the amendment was the representative’s previous voting record on liberal issues. Those with more liberal voting records tended to vote against the amendment and those with more conservative voting records tended to vote for the amendment. The 2nd best predictor of amendment votes was the religious affliation of the representative. Catholic representatives, compared to Protestant and Jewish representatives, were more likely to support the amendment. Geographical location of the representative’s district was a moderate indicator of the representative’s vote on the amendment. Representatives from the south were more likely to support the amendment. The degree of constituent support for the representative in his own district was also a moderate indicator of the representatives vote on the amendment. The 11 factors together accounted for 1/3 of the votes.

and this?

and an attempted ban on a procedure so rare that it wasn’t even discussed a decade ago.

i won’t even go there tonight due to time, it makes me ill to even read such crap. suffice it to say that the “procedure so rare” really translates as “By the language of the currently-contested ban, even a procedure performed in a very early stage of pregnancy could be construed as a “partial birth abortion.””.

and the vote on that gift from “the other side of the aisle”?

House Vote Results

In the House, the bill was supported by 218 Republicans and 63 Democrats. It was opposed by 4 Republicans, 137 Democrats, and 1 independent. Twelve members were absent, 7 Republicans and 5 Democrats. The bill was then sent to the Senate for the final vote. Roll Call No. 530, October 2, 2003.

Senate Vote Results

In the Senate the bill was supported by 47 Republicans and 17 Democrats. It was opposed by 3 Republicans, 30 Democrats, and 1 independent. Two Senators were absent, Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Tx.), a supporter of the bill, and Sen. John Edwards (D-NC), an opponent of the bill. The bill was then sent to President George W. Bush for his signature to become law. Roll Call No. 402, October 21, 2003.

so in truth this “minor” gift is also a bipartisan gift to the “pro-life” movement. wouldn’t have passed if not for those progressive senate dems.

oh, and “minor” gifts to the ‘pro-life’ movement they ain’t. unless your a white male.

approximate number of women of reproductive age who obtain health care through Medicaid: 12 million women (19 million women are on Medicaid, and 2/3 of the total are of reproductive age)

65. bayprairie - 7 March 2007

i’ve a few cites stuck in a rant, inside the trashcan.

66. missdevore - 7 March 2007

just woke up. (dog barked maniacally at strolling feral cats–nightprowlkittys, etc.)

ms-x-collages are legal tender now?

I’m so glad to be alive.

catnip–gotta collage? I’ll trade you a pencil.

67. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 March 2007

Wu ming … I don’t expect that Hegel would do it out of principle, but he built his career on his brand of “truth speaking”, and if he were to go after the more overtly corrupt he could really ride it, an “I’m the REAL conservative, not these crooks and liars” kind of strategy I could see him going far w/ it, and accidentally do some good.

None of the Dems are going to go anywhere near this stuff.

68. supersoling - 7 March 2007

all the breathless celebrating of Libby’s conviction across the so called Left blovisphere is nauseating. Uh…Reid’s nipples are still sagging, Fitzgerald is going back to his day job, whatever that ever was, punk ass Bush is warming up his pardon pen and the Vampire Cheney is getting his clots cleaned to make way for more bloodshed.

…and oh, we need to keep crossing over and voting for more uselss democrats now. What a sick fucking state of affairs. Sunk it is.

69. outofwater - 7 March 2007

SV- I lost the link to your site, but you have entered the halls of infamy! No one can now be publicly banned from DK now without the ritual invocation of your IUD, brings tears to your eyes, don’t it?

* [new] Wrong again (0+ / 0-)

You have no idea what you are talkng about.

That has nothing to do with it.

Are some of his little friends feeding you that BS?

Let’s Go Gators!

by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 09:56:16 PM CST

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* [new] OMG!! That comment…. (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:cookiebear
…actually sounds like hrh in her most unhinged phase. Awhile back, I suggested a deep breath, and got that same “You don’t know anything” reply.

Without knowing the particulars, I’m pretty sure of the following: Anyone who swats off the suggestion that a few deep breaths are almost always a useful idea is getting unhinged themselves.

You do get very bratty sometimes, and probably most others would have been banned sooner. Auto-banned, in fact. Don’t understand the insistence on burning bridges.

Safe journey, wherever you go. And even the occasional deep breath, eh?

“Every single Democratic candidate is immeasurably better than what we have in the White House now.” – Sen. Joe Biden paraphrased

by Land of Enchantment on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 10:38:14 PM CST

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70. outofwater - 7 March 2007

SV-You’re infamous! No one can now be publicly banned from DK now without the ritual invocation of your IUD, brings tears to your eyes, doesn’t it?

* [new] Wrong again (0+ / 0-)

You have no idea what you are talkng about.

That has nothing to do with it.

Are some of his little friends feeding you that BS?

Let’s Go Gators!

by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 09:56:16 PM CST

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* [new] OMG!! That comment…. (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:cookiebear
…actually sounds like hrh in her most unhinged phase. Awhile back, I suggested a deep breath, and got that same “You don’t know anything” reply.

Without knowing the particulars, I’m pretty sure of the following: Anyone who swats off the suggestion that a few deep breaths are almost always a useful idea is getting unhinged themselves.

You do get very bratty sometimes, and probably most others would have been banned sooner. Auto-banned, in fact. Don’t understand the insistence on burning bridges.

Safe journey, wherever you go. And even the occasional deep breath, eh?

“Every single Democratic candidate is immeasurably better than what we have in the White House now.” – Sen. Joe Biden paraphrased

by Land of Enchantment on Tue Mar 06, 2007 at 10:38:14 PM CST

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71. outofwater - 7 March 2007

Why aren’t my posts posted?

72. Have a quadruple espresso … « Marisacat - 7 March 2007

[…] this comment at the end of the last thread is what I see: 67. supersoling – 7 March […]

73. marisacat - 7 March 2007

New Thread:

have a quadruple espresso



let me check the spam file. It sent over 50 legitimate comments to spam over two days.

I will bail them out.

74. ms_xeno - 7 March 2007

…ms-x-collages are legal tender now? …

Miss D., I got a “special amendement” through. Thanks to certain (wink wink) financial advising I was able to provide our esteemed hostess (nudge nudge).

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