Diddling the war baby on your knee 30 March 2007
Posted by marisacat in Afghanistan War, Culture of Death, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Iran, Iraq War, WAR!.trackback
A post from IOZ on the various arguments proffered to appear to be against Iraq War, but oh so eazy squeezy for any war in the offing [that has not failed yet] when you pick it apart. Or, the argument sent forth is some tossed-in yearning for that other war, the one that is failing just as spectacularly, just not in the headlines..
Here is a snip:
[F]or a guy who spends as much time lamenting the “intellectual dishonesty” (is there another kind?) of his infinite array of intellectual opponents, this is startlingly disingenuous. You know, I think the kids in ANSWER are kinda funny too, but I’m able to loosen by garters and pull off my opera gloves and admit them to the Brotherhood of Don’t Invade Iraq. And if they want to bring along their “Free Mumia” tee-shirts, good golly, let ‘em.
When folks like Bérubé start chattering about The Message, you can be pretty sure that something’s up, and that something almost always looks like a Democrat who wants to be sure not to “discredit” some or other sort of “intervention.” The Message is marketing; it’s a word for political campaigns. Of course they want their rallies to look like Just Folks. They love Just Folks.[snip]
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I have a few other things, will pop them up. And sorry, comments are still being filtered in skrewball fashion. Some to spam and some to moderation… Sorry!
whats so great about me that my comments ain’t even moderated
i’m a dangerous guy with a key board
right on thru
like i’m from the florist
geeez
while decent hard thinking gals get the
“what for..who’s vouchin fer ya ” run down
something is not QUITE as it should be here
mcat sniiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiff
I’m exhausted from catching up on the last thread. That DiFI resignation (from MILCON) article was very interesting, mcat. Thanks for pointing it out.
Today’s example of “you know things are going to be exactly what you expect them to be when they start out like this…” comes to us courtesy of MOB at MBM:
Can anyone explain to me why mainstream liberals in this country are so firghtened of Mumia? I mean, every single eye witness in that case has retracted their testimony and stated unequivocally that the Philly police coerced them into testifying against Mumia. If there is any example of a longstanding political prisoner in this country it is Mumia. Shit, I went to college in Philly – I saw every day how racist the police force was even in the ’90’s.
lucid..
just wanted to say that you are not, at least today, getting trapped in Spam.
fingers crssed that it should hold.
Can I weigh in on the KevinLynch/mcat “hide ‘n seek” thing? Yes? Thank you. Okay. I just think you both have different ways of dealing with the anonymity v real identity issue and for different reasons, obviously. Vive le difference, I say. I understand both points of view and we all have that decision to make based on our own comfort levels. I know I’m not comfortable having my personal info available. It’s not because I have anything to “hide”. I just feel the need to protect myself (which is probably a good thing considering the threat I received this week and an attempt made by someone to track me down last fall because they were insanely pissed off at me due to their own paranoia). Others don’t have such worries. That’s okay too.
Can I weigh in on the KevinLynch/mcat “hide ‘n seek” thing?
Honestly – I didn’t understand that whole exchange. I think it also had something to do with an e-mail exchange the rest of us weren’t privy to… Anyhow, I hope you two are able to work it out amicably.
just wanted to say that you are not, at least today, getting trapped in Spam.
Yippee… I think it also helps that I have a wordpress acount now &, at least this evening, have been posting while logged in.
lucid …
well, not that I know much about the Mumia case. Hell, I’ll even admit that some wild-eyed self-described anarchists tried SO hard to sell him to me that I … well, got suspicious that it was all bullshit. Smelt too much of earnest-white-college-student elevating something he/she knew too little about. Just more rich white kids wearing Che t-shirts. I’m open to the idea that I’m probably wrong, and we all carry our political baggage.
Oh, and if we want to play dueling political prisoners, Leonard Peltier is at the top of my list.
No there was no email exchange.
I don’t care how anyone does it, meaning post online. I only ask that my way not be diminished.
Meteor blades sent an email to hrh/SV that is the only email at issue. I posted the part that was an apology to everyone who posts here. At the time I posted it, I said nothing about my own opinion of the apology.
But if anyone sees a Sugar List that says MB is somehow the Beloved here, point it out.
About it.
ok. today was suppose to be the birthdy of my dsl account. so I repluged all the wires I figured out last night, and it was working, and it was fast. (I was landing triple axels)
But then, I went back to the CD to finish installing the email program, and the fucker couldn’t cope. And then it was slower than dial-up.
So I had to go back to the dial-up (last day of subscription is tomorrow) and the external modem.
sorry if this sounds like a WYFP comment.
btw, just finished the 12 comment thread at IOZ… Arthur Silber is a hoot!
I don’t even know what a sugar list is. I do, however, have a cheesecake list.
Miss D,
Doesn’t it say in the evil manual that you’re not supposed to figure skate near your DSL connection? I think it’s noted right after “do not insert jello into your cd drive”.
Just uninstall it all and start again. And promise the company your first-born child.
Somewhere, DSL Jesus is weeping for you.
As for the meatworld/virtualworld thing … I admire the discipline with which Marisacat maintains her space. I’m, frankly, too undisciplined and lazy to be that careful, to remember who I’ve told what to. There are lots of people around who know who I am from my email address. I’ve met a few people in meat life (most notably the very nice guy known as folkbum). I frankly don’t care if people know who I am.
I am Madman in blogworld because I find it freeing as a method (and it summed up how I felt my politics are viewed by most around me), as a way to get past my doubts about my reasoning and writing. I think about how Clemons was freed by Twain, how Thomas Paine was freed by his various pseudonyms … even about how Harlan Ellison got some distance from his “real” work to be attributed as Cordwainer Bird (I love the guy, but he still cashed the checks).
Names are frames … and names have power. There is power in Marisacat’s efforts to focus solely on what she writes by removing people’s ability to link it to someone they can track down.
Ah hell – I just had a long comment on the anonymity thing & wordpress crashed when it was uploading… Anyhow – quick revision.
That’s cool Mcat. I didn’t really understand the thread & thought I had seen something about an e-mail in it. It makes little difference to me who protects themselves and who doesn’t – it’s a personal choice.
I was really naive when I first came on line and have left a footprint everywhere. Even though I post under a moniker now, there is so much cross pollination that anyone who was interested could figure it out in less than a minute with google.
And I related a story about a telephone dustup with a Larouchite after I’d published a piece on Counterpoint with a single sentence bashing Larouche… I found it both funny and disturbing that someone actually cared enough to track down my phone number.
thanks, nip. I figured it would be an uninstall, reinstall. but damn, I was so hooked on the speed. I wanted to watch The Deer Hunter on the DVD again. I wanted to click on youtube with impunity.
mitm13-yes, it is the discipline that keeps it together. and there are no cheap tricks provided. you make a comment, and when no one responds to it, there is no cheap mojo for….solace.
no she-wolf of rome to call mommy.
I like the “que sera”-ness of it.
I think it’s noted right after “do not insert jello into your cd drive”.
I always thought that was a cupholder [sorry, IT person joke].
Counterpoint
urgh. Counterpunch
Miss D. E-mail me. I can help. I’m about to go to a friends and have some drinks, but I’ll send you something back tonight.
I need to know:
What platform [pc or mac] and operating system
What e-mail program & do you have other options for e-mail software
What DSL provider
What specifically are the problems, including any error messages you might have received.
I do stuff like this for a living & am happy to help out.
noxes at verizon dot net
Cheers :)
” don’t care how anyone does it, meaning post online. I only ask that my way not be diminished.”
Goodness Gracie on a licorice stick! Isn’t this over yet? Where did I ever say; “You know Marisa, I think your ‘no info a’tall’ approach to online privacy is so boring! Come out on the high wire with me!”. I was just contrasting my way of doing things with yours. No diminishment even IMPLIED
“Meteor blades sent an email to hrh/SV that is the only email at issue. I posted the part that was an apology to everyone who posts here. At the time I posted it, I said nothing about my own opinion of the apology.”
But you did welcome him back into the fold
“But if anyone sees a Sugar List that says MB is somehow the Beloved here, point it out.”
Sugar List = oposite of Shit List. Welcome back, MB! Meanwhile, I’m apparently trying to besmirch your reputation. NOT!
“About it.”
I certainly hope so. Let’s end this, even if you don’t want to be budz
Kevin
(Oh shite… meant to get this on the freshest thread. Obviously, I was not on it… This comment is also on the last, tail end)
Marisa:
Have been noodling around in the threads – gettin ready for a little display tomorrow at work (NO – NOT pole dancing! and taking a short break.
And you know, and I meant to tell you this by email long ago, but you know I am a godawful emailer, and I will, marisa, to a greater extent, but that eastbayexpress quote from you was a blast of fresh AIR.
At the time. When it came out. Post election 2004, or not too far after, as I recall.. I happened upon it via a dkos diary that linked the article for the express purpose of showing how Kos had told Kerry operatives to stay mum on election malfeasance the very day after the election… you were on that diary too, at the time. The diary was the red flag sort, from one of the many of us who were disgruntled over that topic’s kabosh at DK. And total FP silence.
A very belated chapeaux. I do not often do the chapeaux, but it was immediate when I saw what you said there. I doffed mine instantly. Or threw it up in the air, is more like it.
It was very vanguard of you… very illuminating… and very much appreciated.
Hey, biased lefties!
Gotcha some good stuff coming up this weekend on book TV. Maybe. We shall see. But anyway, check it out. Scahill on Saturday on Blackwater and Coburn on Sunday on… well, on a LOT, as he is on for 3 hours on In Depth.
http://www.booktv.org/
Lucid, like you I was also very naive when I first went online and used my real name. After several death threats and messages such as ‘I know where you live’, I was scared enough to almost quit. Back in those days (2001 right after 9/11) the whole atmosphere was very different than it is now. I decided not to quit, but to try to be a little more anonymous. It was pretty frightening back then, very few people revealed who they were. Sites were shut down by roaming gangs of rightwingers attacking anyone who criticized the Bush administration.
Since you are a techie, can you explain why, after installing a new hard-drive, I can no longer get sound or video etc. Does that mean I need a new sound card and why would installing a hard drive make the sound card disappear? I am clueless about how all this works.
Oh fuck’s sake. I wrote Cockburn the way it is PRONOUNCED, not spelled.
That is Alexander Cockburn on In Depth this Sunday. No Coburn at all.
That was Categorically Imperative’s diary… I was glad he/she linked to the eastbayexpress article. And pointed up that easily lost in the morass couple of lines.
Yeah that little tidbit about Kos hit people.
Thanks..
Kevin–I think many of us here are not as familiar with you, as we are familar with others in (skippy’s) blogtopia.
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thanks for the CSPAN heads-up, NYCee!
Well, it was really appreciated by me, both the red flagging of the Kos electoral info, and then, lo and behold, your quote about the troubling consultant or operative phenom on site. Dont have the exact quote handy, but it was somewhere thereabouts and it was helpful. Added definition to a bad smell coming from the kitchen.
I was surprised in a good way to see you pop up in it, but, really, not surprised to see it was you saying it.
missdevore —
you shouldnt need software for dsl. depending on the age of your computer and os it should be plug and play. often times the service providers send you a cd that is in reality nothing but useless adware. earthlink is the worst i have seen. everything is already built into windows (like windows has had a built in zip unzipper for years but people still think they need winzip). without being at your box, i would say that there could be a residual set up from your dial-up. i say uninstall everything reboot. plug the modem in and let windows just find it. your internet connections setting should be set to never dial connection.
you can go to dslreports.com for a bounty of info on ALL dsl providers
I was surprised in a good way to see you pop up in it [The article, let it be said, clearly), but, really, not surprised to see it was you saying it.
28-thanks. it’s complicated-I’m moving from a PC with windows 98, and cheap juno dial-up. to a new MacBook with dual OS, that I use at work, a workplace with its own wireless airport & ethernet. got the home dsl from att/sbcglobal.
If I had dentures, I would remove them and put them in a cup at this point.
Oh, woe. Berube. Get Scruggs to tell you all about his, er, visits with ol’ Mike sometime. Reminds me of another proud professor I used to run into online. These people never stop treating every goddamn exchange they have as if their opponents are dewy-eyed babes fresh to the classroom. They parade their formidable intellects, positively beat you over the head with them. Then feign a lack of understanding when those who are not (and do not desire to be) their students tend to get annoyed with that particular attitude.
Guys like Berube love to dismiss their opponents as purveyors of “you’re either with us or against us” schools of thought. A phrase so vague as to pretty much mean nothing. It could just as easily be turned against those who feel compelled to make the case that there’s such a thing as acceptable bomb casualties. Y’know, like Mike and his championing of bombing Afghan citizens to save them from Al-Queda or whatever. But there’s nothing “extremist” or polarizing about dropping bombs on civilians, so long as you can smother it under polite discourse, I guess.
Hell. No wonder I never went for that MFA.
Why would a progressive blogger even consider giving such advice to Kerry operatives? And even more puzzling, why would they listen?
I hope anyone who thought that was good advice is paying close attention to the US Attorneys growing scandal re ‘election fraud’. The silence on DK regarding the revelations of corruption in Ohio regarding the 2004 election is very interesting also. There is no longer any doubt that at least in Ohio (the critical state as everyone knows) Kerry most likely won. This should have been front page news on any blog professing to be progressive.
More and more I wonder, who is Markos really working for? Who benefitted by ignoring the fraud? It is also becoming increasingly clear from the US Attorneys scandal that there was a concerted effort to cover up the fraud. And again, how did it benefit Kerry of all people?
DK was not the only ‘progressive’ blog that shut down discussion of election fraud. Moveon and others suddenly became silent also, and, Alternet, eg, shut down their election forum a few days after the election while it was still the most trafficed forum on their site.
Sure, MissD.
Arent you the TVless one? (I am quite sure youre vacuum bagless, H-type … I had a similar quest once, although not so lengthy, for an N bag ;-) ) Can you really watch long shows, like In Depth, online? Dont know how you do it. I embrace my TV, I must admit.
33–I’ve had this free cable that I run thru the vcr, but hasn’t been working so well as of late.
the new dsl service offers me 90 days of free TV- I might take it. Hopefully can figure out other strategies by June.
sabrina
How is the Attorneys’ issue related to election fraud?
I know of the push to get them (disloyal, non”Bushie” fired ones) to investigate where GOPsters thought there was a chance of Dem malfeasance, or where they thought they could manufacture some, is probably more like it, but I havent yet heard of that scandal touching on the issues of voter fraud re Ohio/2004 and related states where there is suspicion of GOP fixin.
SB, I need to know more than that. Did you install a new hard drive to be your ‘boot’ drive – with the operating system – or did you install a second hard drive for storage. If the former, Then you need to go to the sites of manufacturers of your peripheral equipment, download the drivers for your specific equipment and install them in order to get your functionality back. Anytime you plug in a new hard drive with a fresh operating system you need to reinstall everything related to your peripheral devices [moniter, sound card, etc.] – they won’t work otherwise.
If it is something other than this, please e-mail me – the address is in my response to Miss D above.
[blockquote]The silence on DK [/blockquote]
there is silence on many issues. sometimes what they dont talk about is more revealing than what they are talking about.
something interesting thats going on now related to kos is he is mentioning something as coming from the “netroots” in my state. except it isnt. the only “netroots” support is from an “official” kos linked site. i think someone even did a diary at one point pointing this out. i have been too busy to get on the net and follow all these different stories.
the few times i’ve surfed to kos the past three weeks it looked like nothing more than a rehash of stories posted on rawstory. most of the diaries hadnt even bothered to change the title.
“Kevin–I think many of us here are not as familiar with you, as we are familar with others in (skippy’s) blogtopia.”
And that means I’m not to be trusted? missdevore, it’s true that I never made the TU list at dKos. But you can still find my comments, infrequent as they were. I think my last two comments were the most telling: Where I was telling operatives that they were giving WAY too much credit to themselves and using words like “delusional” and “professional help”. Words I’ve seen posted here in the exact same context, by the way. So, what I felt I had found here was a grouping of kindred thinkers. People whom I felt I could share ideas with. And all of you have given me enough input and inspiration so that my writing inhibitions have diminished incredibly. Thus, finding I could write more than 5 sentences at a time, I started my own Blog. It might just be me riffing away at the news of the world, but I was excited by it. And put y’all on the blogroll out of admiration. Started posting at your sites if I thought there was something my feeble wit could add. Too bad. Now it looks like being an unknown quantity automatically gets me branded as a possible operative trying to steer your sites into ‘centrist’ positions. Like weepy cat stories and cheerleading for you is going to do that!
You’ve got the info. Google me. See if I’m some Sacramento Sellout in disguise. Nah, I’m in Saint Louis. A thousand miles from free thinkers, centrists, or any of you. Get the picture? I really am just a harmless fat guy without pretense or a job (until my new one starts April 16). Hate my ugly ass if you want *shrug*
Kevin
just tossed something up … they caved on “My Sweet Lord”.
I found the Sampson testimony pretty amazing, btw. Did you catch it, Sabrina?
Just in seeing how this boy, really, Boy Sampson, was so enthralled and keyed in to the POLITICAL thing going on in that White House. The LOYALTY with the politics. I mean, he got it, and yet, being so green yet so ambitious and eager to please his superiors… his use of it in his role really trumpeted the real deal in all its base glory…
Like when he put Fitzgeral in an “unknown as to performance” category. He was asked why by Durbin (after WTC bombing conviction success, 1993 and high rating for Fitz all around), and he all but said it was because he shook in his boots, thinking that to put him in the outstanding/plus category (He had a chart thing he was emailing to Miers – all the attorneys were graded as outstanding +, outstanding -, or unknown quantity. I paraphrase, but that was the gist) would have marked him for death by torture, given that Fitzgerald had investigated their inner sanctum, was trying one of their own… He just kept saying it was sensitive, and he didnt think he should grade him…
And he blurted out to Miers that they should consider firing Fitzgerald. In 2006!
He said she (and someone else, McNulty?) just shot him a look. Silence. Well, she knew the kid was drinking just a tad too much Kool Aid on that one… his system hadnt adjusted yet for tolerance. Heady stuff. He said he knew he had really overstepped as soon as he said it.
Oh crickey.. It was sumpin.
did I miss something?
I havent seen marisa say anything untoward to you, kevin. What is all this about?
Kevin …
hang out, earn your bones … too many games have been played for too long, and guards are up.
fat guy to fat guy.
NYCee, in some of the testimony from US Attorneys who were asked to resign, it was revealed that they were discouraged from looking into the charges of voter suppression (minorities mostly). Greg Palast has written extensively about the lists of ‘felons’ who were not felons etc. and I’m assuming this is what they were talking about. But they were encouraged to look into possible Democratic election fraud. At least one of them has said he could not pursue such charges as there was no, or not enough evidence. The WH was not happy about this. It seems that they not only suppressed the evidence of the voter purge lists, but wanted to completely distract from it by pointing fingers at Democrats.
From what I have read so far, this is just the beginning, but it’s clear they were expected to ignore any actual evidence, and there was plenty, especially in Florida, of Republican dirty tricks regarding this aspect of election fraud.
Also interesting is the fact that the WH was trying to stop Patrick Fitzgerald from investigating the Plame leak. I’m saying the WH because although they are still in the investigative stage, it seems that Karl Rove is implicated in directing the effort to paint Fitz as below par as a prosecutor.
I was always surprised that the WH had not tried to stop that investigation. But now, it seems that they did. I wonder now what really happened with Rove who most thought would be indicted along with Libby. I cannot imagine Fitzgerald caving in to threats (and we know now that other US Attorneys did receive threats) to smear him.
kevin. You can email me if you wish. You may not get a reply til the AM.
Marisacat at AOL dot com
I wanted to click on youtube with impunity.
I know the feeling. I have an old system and while some videos stream alright, a lot of them are just a series of burps. It’s annoying.
The silence at dkos. Yes, that always bothered me. I’m not into the SYFPH culture, escpecially when it came to not criticizing Kerry or investigating election fraud. Very odd and very authoritarian. I don’t like being told what I can’t talk about for the so-called benefit of some almighty greater good on a political blog.
“28-thanks. it’s complicated-I’m moving from a PC with windows 98, and cheap juno dial-up. to a new MacBook with dual OS, that I use at work, a workplace with its own wireless airport & ethernet. got the home dsl from att/sbcglobal. ”
That explains a lot. Uninstall the CD you got from ATT. The problem is conflicting settings between the way your system is at work and the patriarchal structure ATT wants to impose on the way in which your computer accesses the net with the ‘home stuff’.
If it worked before the ‘email’ stage, I’d go reinstall to that point – as your computer at work likely runs through an e-mail server that will conflict with any preset e-mail crap provided by the ‘home provider CD’.
If this allows you to have full DSL capacity, then you will need to go in and hand configure e-mail settings to work from home with whatever e-mail program you are using -you can’t rely on a vanilla configuration for that given that it is a machine that is likely already configured for other connections. [Why are machines so damned monogamous?]
Anyhow. Keep me updated.
Uh oh, the fat folks are closing in. I may have to post a link to the thread I was in last week, in which I had fun turkey-shooting at a bunch of self-righteous asshats who whinged about how fat people were Destroying America by hogging all the medical while not paying enough for it.
Lefty site, too. I shit you not. Should have left it alone, but sometimes a fat woman needs to have her fun, too. :p
Yeah, Revisionist.
It began to get more and more like that, most noticeably around the election 04 issues and thereafter. The diaries were SAFE. And dulled down. Increasingly. (And the SYFPH about only stoking Kerry added to it, pre election, of course)
How ironicAL, aint it, that we get fucked by GOP hijinks and that becomes a reason, on DK, not to get more fired up progressively, but less so. I mean, at the time of most need (when the extreme rw are winning, and thru foul play… or at least our much trumpeted democracy is a larfing stock… a mess…) he ties everyones hands instead of sounding the call to arms… he goes SNAIL shell. Trail of slime, too, as that EastBayExpress piece indicated. Inside the gates, no need to crash. Just use the latch!
Yeah. Long has it been so. I got riled and over it long ago.
#39. heh ™. I just did a post on chocolate Jesus too. Some choice quotes from Donohoe’s site:
Bigoted, dangerous blowhard.
Kevin, I for one have read your comments at DK, (I checked when you thought they had disappeared and left you a few messages telling you how to find them). As far as I’m concerned YOU ARE a kindred spirit, very much so.
I think it’s wonderful that you started your own blog and plan on visiting (when I tried the other night I could not bring it up for some reason). I think from reading back in the thread, there just a small mis-understanding of your original post. I think it was directed at the DDs of hte blogosphere who howl about their ‘anonymity’ etc.
So hang in, all of us have these mis-understandings from time to time. Even families do, doesn’t mean you are not trusted at all. And keep on writing – and I did notice your increasing confidence which is wonderful! :-)
Oh, I hadnt heard the bit about them being discouraged from investigating voter fraud against Republicans, Sabrina. Only that they got in trouble if they wouldnt go after Dems, as in Washington governor’s race.
Interesting. Hope more comes out.
far too many putative lefties believe in a perfectable universe, and take comfort in scolding others.
Too bad. Now it looks like being an unknown quantity automatically gets me branded as a possible operative trying to steer your sites into ‘centrist’ positions.
I must have missed that part or did that even happen?
I hope you can work this out with mcat and whoever. I’ve had more than enough bloggy drama for this week.
Kevin:
I really don’t understand this post. I don’t think Mcat, or anyone here has implied anything like you being a ‘sellout’, etc.
Please stick around if you enjoy our company, but I am at a loss for why you express the above. I haven’t seen anyone attack you here.
yeah, the silence on ohio really shocked me, it seemed like such the perfect sort of story for the hive mind/googlemonkey set. i had already gotten pretty tired of ther SYFPH dynamic by then, but shutting down discussion there really sort of stunned me. revealed a lot.
I found the Sampson testimony pretty amazing, btw. Did you catch it, Sabrina?
I did hear clips from it on the car radio and some analysis from Randi Rhodes lol! It was amazing and probably finished Gonzales, imo. I am angry that it took this long since it’s not as though no one knew that many good US Attorneys were being purged.
I hope now that James Comey finally gets to testify. He was stopped the last time he was to be a witness. He was clearly aware of and very disturbed by the long list of DOJ employees who quit or were forced out, at least as long ago as 2005 when he voiced his feelings. And probably way longer than that. This has obviously been going of for a long time.
There was no oversight of these people and they very nearly destroyed our judicial system. Congress, imo, especially Republicans, are a disgrace as they knew, and in effect, helped to cover it up. All who did should be thrown out of office as soon as possible.
I was looking for a list of Democrats who voted to approve Gonzales’ nomination as AG. They need to be challenged in primaries also. No one should even pretend to be surprised by what is now being revealed about this treasonous monster. If ordinary people like us knew enough to sign dozens of petitions to stop his appointment as AG, they should have, and imo, did know.
Yeah, that was a big one on the seismic scale, wu ming.
A smaller but telling one was after all the (worthy!) activism we engaged in, on site, to fight against passage of the bankruptcy bill, which Kos said he was against (in his wan way, but nevertheless), as soon as the sell outs had voted, all 19 of them in the senate, or 18, whatever, he has this one little fizzle of a paragraph or two, sort of mild version of hush now, shut your goshdurn tartlette holes… He copped out using the excuse that “until the money gets out of politics, get used to this and get over it”
Telling was that if he were a true progressive who actually felt that way, he would have then turned energies toward federally funded elections… getting the money OUT. With gusto.
But no, he just went back to getting the money IN, to elect more Democrats.
It was bizarre, the way it played out. Really.
Well, on too long. Late to Zzzzland, EST.
G’night.
There was no oversight of these people and they very nearly destroyed our judicial system.
After 27 years of appointments made specifically to do this, I think it is hardly our current Emporer’s fault. There were 8 years of Clinton [who was pretty much Reagan II anyways], but he could never get any of his court appointments to the bench due to Republican obstructionism. It is no mystery why there were so many federal judiciary slots to fill when Bushh II came to office.
Yes, Abu Gonzales should go down for canning Federal Prosecuters because they were actually doing their jobs, but the judiciary as a whole has been in disrepair for a good long time.
Cite 1: Gore v. Bush in Dec. 2000
I thought I had the East Bay Express.
There ’tis… (and here am I, stiil)
At the time, reading those words burned so badly.
And your fantabulous nuggets are within. They cheered me at the time… the sweet after the bitter… someone speaking up, solo, for something better.
Okay, for real, to bed.
And to be CLEAR, that was BEFORE you were banned.
(yanks self with cane, bedward)
Kevin. here is my view of the order of events.
after the columbine comment on meteor blade’s part marisa restricted his posts until he apologized. he did, based on the evidence of the post of the mail sniglet. therefore she removed her restriction. that’s the entirety of what happened. i feel that if you read something like “welcome back” between the lines, you misread.
best advice here is chill, and i don’t mean that rudely. i also hope i don’t sound like im lecturing, im trying very hard to express my thoughts clearly and thats hard for me. my opinion is that there isn’t a bat’s chance in in hell of meteor blades ever being “welcomed” here. in fact, i kinda have come to feel “here” exists as space purposely apart from meteor blades (in the political sense, of course) and the “movement” he embraces (to whatever degree anyone interprets his embrace of said “movement”, from 100% on down, i peg at 85%). he can now comment though, and in the past he has dropped in from time to time.
anyway that’s my 2cents and nothing but opinion. i only know the small portion of the “history” that ive been witness too from june 2005. i personally intend to recognize his apology by no longer ridiculing his user name. but that’s recognition of his apology on my part only.
miss d
i’ll not offer any advice (since i’m a amateur hack who does everything wrong at startups) but perhaps a very minor suggestion. make sure the little airport radar screen thingie in the upper right hand corner is gray and isn’t functioning. if it’s black try turning it off. theres a slight chance that after “whatever happened” happened you’re connecting via wireless to a nearby unsecured wireless access point nearby. that would explain very slow speed.
That is so predictable and so maddening.
I was at a loss during that period following the election on Kos where anything and everything was supressed re: voter fraud [especailly given that many of the places I came from before my days on Dkos rigorously investigated the voter fraud of both 2000 and 2002].
Thanks for yet another reminder that I wasted a whole hellofalotta time there for no reason.
I thought I had the East Bay Express.
As much as I loath reading articles about kos because they all seem to say the same thing, I’m glad I read all the way through that one to read your criticisms, mcat. Nothing has changed there since then, obviously.
bayprairie
I think you’re misreading the situation too. What it all boils down to is a question of who do you trust? There had been quite a few posts about paranoia among the BBB set when it comes to people supposedly searching for their “meat world” (love that term!) identities. People gave their varying degrees of personal paranoia and then the Head Mistress gave her tale of Supreme Identity Discipline! Then I posted that my opinion was “if they want me, they can have me”. My life has been of so little consequence that anything anybody could learn about it wouldn’t do them any good or me any harm. OOPS! Mcat seems to have read that as a belittling of her position. I try explaining that it wasn’t, it was just my way of avoiding the whole “outing” thing all together. OOPS! Now I’m accusing Mcat of outing people. This pissed me off, and I’ll admit it. So I trotted out the corpse of Meteor Blades and made up a Sugar List, because I was now most certainly on the Shit List. And it goes on for some reason, even after I’ve explained that none of what I said had anything to do with Marisa’s position FIVE TIMES! She won’t believe me, she won’t trust me.
What am I supposed to do? Tell me. I’ve tried logical discourse and have asked for the subject to be dropped. And yet, it’s still here
Kevin
Kevin – drop it. This is not a good avenue of discourse. I think you are misunderstanding a good much of what Mcat said – and she told you to e-mail her if it was an issue. Don’t continue to trot out a pretty obvious misunderstanding for all of us to comment on.
And she is not a ‘head mistress’ – that is a disingenuous characterization.
Lucid, thanks for that explanation. The hard drive was not a second one, but to replace the one that was destroyed, most likely from attacks by rightwingers. They could send ‘nukes’ to people which would shut down the computer. I eventually learned how to deflect their bombs, but not before the hard drive went.
Nasty little trolls, it really was war with them. Which is why I laugh at what is considered a ‘troll’ at DK. They’ve never seen a real troll. They remind me of the chickenhawks in the Bush administration. They, imo, want to appear to be what they consider to be tough without actually ever putting themselves in the crossfire of those they emulate. I doubt any of them ever went directly to the real enemy and took them on. Those of us who did learned some valuable lessons.
What’s really funny about the way they imitate rightwingers, thinking of them as ‘tough’, is that had they ever engaged them, they would have discovered that all they were were cowards and bullies, easily disposed of by anyone who refused to be intimidated by them. My girlfriend and I used to seek them out just to embarrass and expose them for what they were.
DK only attacks progressives. They would never survive on mixed sites where they had to fight off swarms of vicious rightwingers. What they do is try to emulate those trolls by practicing on progressives. I was stunned when I first saw them in action. Cowards was my conclusion. I really was in awe, considering years of fighting with righties, to discover similar tactics being imitated and used against people who supposedly were their allies taking extremely unfair advantage of their status as site managers. There is something really, really wrong about that site.
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On Kos’s election fraud advice. It’s clear now that what he was interested in was money. Iow, let them cheat, but now let’s move on and go for the money! So transparent when you read it now. I have seen nothing from him that convinces me he has any real interest in anything else. If fighting for a principle gets in the way of the money flow, he’ll dump the principle. That’s why he bans anyone who gets in the way of his real ‘principles’. He’s fiercely protecting the money.
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Lucid, again thanks, that explains the problem. Where do you find the downloads to reinstall everything? If I should go to email, let know.
I saw that when I joined Dkos, and for a time, I ignored it because there were so many good people there posting such great things and so many people trying to foster an open community. It was whittled away, and
whittle,
waddle,
muddle.
I think you probably got there in the ‘muddle’ phase.
As for your computer, Do you know the manufacturer’s of the parts in question? If you don’t know them offhand, if you still have the original bill from the company that sold you your computer, they would be listed there. If you don’t, you might be able to look up the parts by going to the site of the manufacturer of the computer & searching by your service tag number [you can definitely do this if you have a Dell or a Mac].
If not, you’ll probably have to open it up and get identifying info from the parts themselves – but unless you have that customized of a machine, you should be able to find vanilla drivers within the operating system itself that will at least make them functional.
e-mail me if you want. I’m always happy to help people on tech issues [and many others as well] :)
So, I’m watching late nite teevee and there’s this ad to sponsor kids oversees. The guy is walking along with a little girl through a slum and explains (as she’s walking barefoot beside his well-dressed ass) that she has to walk barefoot through the filfth and the scum on the streets and I’m wondering, “Excuse me, but why didn’t you give her a pair of shoes, you opportunistic asshole?”
Seriously.
“Excuse me, but why didn’t you give her a pair of shoes, you opportunistic asshole?”
Because they’d rather agglomerate the $.50 it would take to shoe the child into advertising so that their well funded front office people can buy nice homes in the Washington DC area.
These poor kids probably have no idea what the hell is going on. I doubt they’ve ever seen a camera before in their life and they probably can’t even understand one word of English. It just struck me as hugely hypocritical that he would walk her through those “filthy” streets like that. Some bloody humanitarian he is. And just how much of the money raised actually goes to these children?
I’ve had an index card tacked up on my dresser mirror for years:
hey kevin,
am i misreading the situtation? of course. everyone misreads, thats a given. it happens. lets kick back, enjoy.
“And she is not a ‘head mistress’ – that is a disingenuous characterization”
Is it any more disiningenious than her claiming that I belittled her positions or claimed that she outed anyone? Anyone can take offense at anything if they try hard enough. I’ve already told Marisa I’ll leave anytime she says go. “Dropping it” isn’t in my vocabulary
Kevin
Great press release from wakeupwalmart.com. lol
:)
“Dropping it” isn’t in my vocabulary
haha.
and thus … where did backing down get these people?
Monsters, pharisees, fascists …. it does NO good to appease them. They can only be fought.
MitM,
Dononue said on CNN tonite that he intended to see the hotel go bankrupt. That’s the new Revenge Jesus. Chocolate Jesus (My Sweet Lord) is just so yesteryear. Who wants sweetness & light when you can kill a business with just a few e-mails to your “500 friends”? That man’s hate speech wouldn’t last 2 minutes in Canada. We smacked down Limbaugh and Dr Laura. We’d do exactly the same thing to him.
My brother has done relief work in impoverished countries for 22 years. I disagree with a whole helluvalot of what he does, but he is a good guy – and there are good organizations out there that really try to craft whatever programs they can to alleviate poverty and build infrastructure [my bro is actually one of the progenitors of microfinance programs]. But by the same token, most of the big name NGO’s will pay no mind to exploiting the poor to enrich themselves – or look good, whatever the case may be. It fucking disgusts me.
We all know what he Red Cross did during Katrina. The FUCKING RED CROSS, exploiting the shower of donations to poor down the internal tornado into relief oblivion. No doubt Libby Dole had plenty to do with their changes in accounting proceedures – charity not only benefits the rich with respect to taxes, but comes back to them as laundered money.
Pathetic.
sweetness & light
Close enough – I know at least Miss D will love it:
Every picture has its shadows
And it has some source of light
Blindness, blindness and sight
The perils of benefactors
The blessings of parasites
Blindness, blindness and sight
Threatened by all things
Devil of cruelty
Drawn to all things
Devil of delight
Mythical devil of the ever-present laws
Governing blindness, blindness and sight
Suntans in reservation dining rooms
Pale miners in their lantern rays
Night, night and day
Hostage smile on presidents
Freedom scribbled in the subway
It’s like night, night and day
Threatened by all things
God of cruelty
Drawn to all things
God of delight
Mythical god of the everlasting laws
Governing day, day and night
Critics of all expression
Judges in black and white
Saying it’s wrong, saying it’s right
Compelled by prescribed standards
Or some ideals we fight
For wrong, wrong and right
Threatened by all things
Man of cruelty-mark of Cain
Drawn to all things
Man of delight-born again, born again
Man of the laws, the ever-broken laws
Governing wrong, wrong and right
Governing wrong, wrong and right
Wrong and right.
Oh – and for the copyright lords, it’s Joni Mitchell – Shadows and Light, “Hissing of the Summer Lawns”, copyright 1974 – I’ll tell you who’s playing on the album if you want….
:)
Hilllary/Donohue: 2008. The Who Would Jesus Sanction/Bomb Ticket.
I saw Happy Feet last night. It was excellent. Great fun, and highly cinematic, with stunning visuals of water, snow, ice, etc. Denizens of this blog will appreciate the story, which centers on a restrictive penguin society run by tightassed authority-freaks who banish anyone who can’t follow The Roolz. “You’re ruining it for everyone else!” etc. Some digs at religion too, surprisingly.
Speaking of sea creatures: the predicted Exploding Whale detonated on schedule, but it was a yawner, more like a California roll falling apart. Maryscott hateshateshates Louisianagirl now. Goodness, what happened?? There is some funny stuff:
“We come to you from the Land Down Under…”
I’m glad that she left LG’s “Voyeur” diary up, because it fits right into the newly-hot topic of misogynistic personal attacks on the web:
“Left-wing female blogger attacks her rival by publishing an insulting sexual fantasy about her”
That will look good in the headlines!
Lucid-that is actually from one of Joni’s albums I am not familiar with.
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good morning VAGs!
well such is the unfortunate state of our cult/community/special forces unit that we have no Saturday morning features. May I suggest “Saturday Morning Listening to the Roar in Your Ears?” This can be done offline, in the privacy of your home, big tent, etc.
That East Bay Express article is new to me. Wow, Kos is even more of an asshole than I thought. The story about catching up to the leaders in the long Army march and then thinking “I can conquer the world!!” is creepy. His focus was not on looking within and finding his inner resources, but on beating the other guys. And then the comment later – “what about ME?” Bad news.
I gonna have to keep up the post and runz as I finally get my turn with my nephews in from HI for spring break. First the went to the In Laws in SoCA, then my folks had them, now PK and I get them for 2 days before the flight back. (kidz are great when you can borrow them and return after you get tired of wiping boogers)
So bringing up the Green Valley AZ immigrant shooting that was mentioned in the previous thread (hey where’s that email mcat?! ;o} I got a couple of thoughts.
I don’t the think the GV incident is like the two recent shootings in my back yard (literally a two mile hike through the chaparral in my backyard. The two that occured here were directly related to hijacking loads of pot. I posted something about it when it happened, and I’m pretty sure that everybody knows the involved parties (the assault rifle used was found in a local trailer park notorious for busts). The Green Valley incident seems different and though it isn’t unusual for human smugglers to hijack “loads” they don’t generally shoot up the “cargo.” Also Green Valley is a town full of minute meanies and retired “good ol’ boys” from the midwest. I’m just speculating but the facts (paltry as they are) point to a different motive than pirating a “load”.
Cazamigrantes (migrant hunters) have long haunted the thornscrub of soAZ and most of their victims remain unknown…
(funny, I’ve got the local morning news on and they just busted 6 TONS of pot in my neighboring town and 38 “illegals” in a house in Tucson)
Well, hasta la bye bye… I’m taking the boyz to go murder fish at the nearest lake (this too shall be deducted from my share of paradise)
How about a Saturday Morning Quote to contemplate while listening to the roar in your ears:
Margaret Walters, from The Nude Male: A New Perspective, quoted by Germaine Greer in The Beautiful Boy
Tuston-thanks for the update.
from the latimes:
“Nature is pulling a triple whammy on Southern California this year. Whether it’s the Sierra, the Southland or the Colorado River Basin, every place that provides water to the region is dry.
It’s a rare and troubling pattern, and if it persists it could thrust the region into what researchers have dubbed the perfect Southern California drought: when nature shortchanges every major branch of the far-flung water network that sustains 18 million people.
Usually, it’s reasonably wet in at least one of those places. But not this year.”
latimes is also carrying the story about Kathy Sierra, and threats on bloggers.
Re: SV’s comment.
That’s one of the reasons I hate the battle between supposedly anti-sex and supposedly pro-sex feminists. (The terms are useless and/or deceptive, for starters.) Cast against my own preference into the anti-sex camp, I hear that there is incredible diversity in porn that I’m just not understanding, all because I think it’s 90% young, thin, blonde white women with huge surgically enhanced boobs and crotches performing for men. I am told that there is porn for people who like looking at women who are old, fat, tattooed, “natural” when it comes to naughty bits, etc. Yet this stuff, if it exists in commercially signifigant quantities (I have my doubts) does not change one iota the cliche of Woman displays, Man judges.
When I still thought porn was something I wanted to consume, but didn’t like the mainstream stuff, I was told to rent gay porn. That about says it all. A woman who wants to look is always a tourist in an exotic land, an interloper, an outsider. She borrows, because no way are such displays of the male body truly intended for her and the very name of the genre lets her know it.
I think the notion that women assume some incredible power by stripping and fucking on film is also bullshit. The power comes through submission to one of the most time-worn cliches about the supposed limits to human nature there is. I do not see men (hetero men, anyway) lining up to take pole dance classes, pose nude, wear body-flaunting clothing in public, etc. If they really believed that displaying your body was a sign of personal power, they’d be falling all over each other to do it.
86,89-good stuff.
Most porn is boring. The industry lends itself to internal abuse, use and disposal. No question.
And LOL “Voyeurs” was not some well written degustible. Tho people stood there with their tongues hanging out.
I think its hallmark likely was the Degas painting.
Cats are screaming. Off to feed and make coffee.
it dawns on my largely moi -zoomy
surveillence system
this site is into clever not funny
hmmmmm
overly slap happy lots of uuuzelles ain’t
may i preach ???
there’s to directions to the state of mirth
lighten up and heavy up
if your soul is by habit of nature
burdened
heaving up your humor might work faster deeper longer
then
a light touch
go for the big release gang
and that takes you toward heavy hardy har hars
not hamlet guying polonius
not kafka doobling his dad
but hog heaven preterition
go out
an deeply profane the the bystanders
the welles
of
chimes at midnight
the paine, you look darling in a pulpit.
please weigh clever v. funny on above remark. oh, I did have to look up preterition, to try to figure out which meaning you were using–the Calvinist one, eh?
I do not see men (hetero men, anyway) lining up to take pole dance classes, pose nude, wear body-flaunting clothing in public
Sometimes we get up and get our own beer, though, especially when our chick is enjoying a good Lifetime abused spouse movie. It’s the LEAST we can do ….
too often
funny is a lead ballooon
if yoy try to hold it still
funny reflects what ??
a happy soul
brake out loony
is prolly what i’m after
nonsense on an operatic scale
clever is like nimble sail boat
that catches all the gusts
i want that big bastard
the sea food
the inboard monstrosity that cut huge wakes
rodney d plowed around
the lake in caddy shack
at the helm of
query
can that homo felix vulgaris stupendicus
be de-gendered ????
clever is subconciously competitive and comparative
the duel of wits
is not the motley chorus of clowns
Mitm–that was clever & funny.
the paine–I will try!
one name that sez all
Pantagruel
Get thee to a record store. It’s her best album [and I don’t say that lightly because I’ve got ‘em all, even the, um, ‘interesting period’ from the ’80’s]
really? I was being serious.
NOTHING demonstrates more solidarity with the distaff sex more than getting up to get our own beer … walking across the room in those stilletos, not to mention the thong creeping north, must be exhausting for the poor dears.
And LOL “Voyeurs” was not some well written degustible. Tho people stood there with their tongues hanging out.
LOL! Emsock certainly did. Although she and lg appear to have had a falling out emsock so enjoyed the violation (emsock being one sick bunny) she ‘reconstructed’ the ‘erotica’ on her blog again. Not the comments, not the ‘oppo-research’ which wasn’t, just the essay.
Bay summed up what lg did and what emsock is doing best in the last thread:
I think it’s telling that emsock finds it necessary and exciting to try to sexually degrade people she cannot dominate and control by other means.
lucid, you actually own “Dog Eat Dog”?
Of Geffen’s many crimes, releasing that is at the top of the list.
Don’t mean to snipe, but my parents aren’t ‘good ol’ boys. They may be provincial in their religious values, but they’re also social justice christians and have donated money to putting up immigrant water/food stations in the sonora desert… [and yes, they retired to GV].
Honeybees are dying en masse all over the USA and Europe, don’t know about the rest of the world.
Holy shit.
the paine–Pantagruel–thanks for the discovery. I have not read Rabelais–the book is a free download at Project Gutenberg, btw.
“At the end of the fifth volume, which was published posthumously around 1564, the divine bottle is found. The epic journey ends with Pantagruel producing a large piece of ass shit, perhaps the ultimate commentary on the subjects of politics and religion which the books satirize.”
I also found an ezine called the New Pantagruel, but they have closed shop.
miss mary sunshine
all blistered and burned
throws matches in gasoline.
as the blaze broils her
she cries “its not fair,
what they keep doing to me!”
I have a huge confession to make–it’s actually an N-style vacuum bag I am looking for. However, there were no N-styles, either, at my 2 nearest sources.
Mitm-are you referring to Pissing on Summer Lawns as “dog eat dog”. Please explain.
Well, I would, but I’m not buff & and I only have an average package, so I doubt I’d be successful. :)
Great post Ms_X. While I come down in the other camp, I think your criticism on a cultural level is dead on.
Thanks for mentioning the reconstruction. I did not know. With a poll I see.
I am going to say again, as I did over the sexual advisory to hrh/SV, mother of a small child. Way to spend the day.
Well, go for it. It has a lemming effect eventually.
MitM – unfortunately, I do, on vinyl no less. And, silly me, I’ve actually listened to the whole thing several times trying like hell to like it. Alas, that’s an impossibility.
SUPER VIX
quotes
“a woman is expected to take a narcissistic pleasure
in fulfilling male fantasies
rather than in exploring and acting out her own”
u know this sub hegelian hall of mirrors is like a ouija board to me
the nar and the anoclete
a poke on both halves etc etc
now its made “serious” by genderizing it
weaponized so to speak
made an arena of contention
n better thrown another overlay of conflictual stakes
like another tier to the three d chess board
very useful i’m sure
finding forks
to turn into
distinct pathways
so we can journey away from each other
do they tell us enough
about the road forward together
or do we just got to take the steps
requires…it seems…
ten lost trails
travelled at night in our dreams
we’d all be better off without imaginations ..right ???
that vapor that epiphantom
twistable as a sock
commanding as a snake
how many twists
done when along the way
separate say ted bundy
from say …me ???
jam.fuse
there were congressional hearings this week on the honey bee issue.
I caught some of it rebroadcast on Cspan yesterday. It was excellent. A lot of talk of pollination and fruits and vegetables.. My godfather used to keep hives over in Emeryville CA… LOL so I paid attention.
Not good. On that note, I’m going back to bed.
N-style is back in style!! Off to the hardware store for me.
miss d
I also found an ezine called the New Pantagruel, but they have closed shop
lets re open it
honey bees
made so much happen
reminds me of the undoc march
hmm you know what the honeybee deaths remind me of… a news report I read years ago, maybe two decades, more… aobut the Ehtiopia/Eritrea war iirc.
War had come thru and come thru, devastation and dying. The locusts arrived and people barely noticed the war was so overwhelming. Drought and more devastation was overwhelmed by war.
Reminds me of the honeybees dying.
In the hearings that 15 billion figure (mentioned in the article jam.fuse excerpted) w/r/t pollination is a projection… the whole honey bee keeping (which makes for pollination) is mostly donation. 15 billion is what it would be if EVERYONE charged for what their bees do.
Honestly what I caught was great, very intense knowlegeable people getting out tons of information and talking very fast not to be rung down by the fucking clock.
je paine-the new, improved Pantagruel–with extra ass shit?
I really am going to the hardware store, but decided to take the bus there which will arrive at my stop in 17 minutes.
I am going to say again, as I did over the sexual advisory to hrh/SV, mother of a small child. Way to spend the day.
Now you’ve gone and upset Martin again.
whambulance for Martin.
Miss d,
Eureka vacuum link
BTW, have on Waxman hearings with GSA Lurita Doan.
Big sparks between Waxman and the Repubs. Esp just now Dan Burton…
And earlier, Diane Watson hits iwth a left.
I jsut fell into it by accident..
GO WAXMAN!
Bees: what I’ve heard from an organic farmer is that they think something in the fertilizers/pesticides has fucked up the bees so they’ve lost their faculties and they no longer know how to breed, carry on their daily behaviors, and so forth. It’s like Mad Bee Disease. So the hives die off. That’s the way he explained it, or the way I understood it, anyway.
More from The Beautiful Boy, this from Greer:
This is a gorgeous book, filled with exquisite color reproductions of art, including works by little-known women artists whom Greer is committed to bringing out of the shadows of art history (see The Obstacle Race). I’m not sure I agree with everything Greer has to say, but a lot of it is compelling. For example, her idea that women are especially attracted to the beauty of boys and very young men because these males are not yet fully mature and hence not powerful enough to threaten them, or to be threatened by their sexual interest. She mentions the young Sinatra, Elvis, James Dean and several rock stars – but oddly enough, fails to mention the Beatles, the most famous “beautiful boys” of our era.
In terms of the “How dare you raise your eyes to me” phenomenon observed by MCat and others: it seems to me that the act of judging a man by his physical looks and sexual attractiveness is subversive to the male-dominated culture, and an unfavorable judgment would probably elicit an inordinately angry response from the male. I think this is what happened with DD. MCat made no overt judgment on his attractiveness, but the fact that she posted the unflattering photo and mocked his dating-site profile was enough to throw DD and other supporters of the male-dominated culture into a defensive rage. Hence the “bitchcuntwhore” attacks, PastorDan’s curse, threats to tear her up with claws, etc.
Women may not mock a man’s sexual appeal. That is the worst transgression possible.
well I think the dating profile came out down in the thread (I will look again at that thread)
And to be frank, wanting an “energetic girl” had a lot to do with how women were treated at Dkos.
For me, ti was not the pie ad, I am sure I would have maybe noticed it (I breeze by ads mostly) and shrugged, if any reaction at all… it was the months of slamming women using “special interests”, abortion and abortion orgs on the FP.
Little wax doll Kos calling abortion “horrible” and then, from RedDan onward, the lemmings carrying the message. Just one instance across months.
So yes the Pie ad, in conjunction was offensive.
Like energetic girl to service a very nasty wannabe Dem Party Thug like DD.
As I recall in threads at Kos he also said whoever the lucky girl is, come the day, she should not work so she can care for him.
I would guess in a big crib iwth a big diaper.
the bee thing is especially worrisome. almond farmers in the san joaquin valley are panicking, as it is a solely bee pollinated crop. imagine if you had to hand pollinate each blossom, what that’d do to the price.
eat those almonds when you can, folks. we may be in for a load of trouble.
Lucid, it’s a Gateway and we do still have the original bill etc. Thanks for the info again. I never would have figured that out – :-)
Don’t know what to say about that, the paine. I can only speak for myself and feel very lucky in the regard, no steps of the kind I think you are referring to. Maybe it is all about luck, I can’t say. But ‘going down the road together’ is the ultimate goal, is it not even if steps are necessary?
Also, who’s to say that some women choose roles that from the outside appear to be unequal. If they make that choice the question is ‘are they less equal’? Iow, having the ability to make the choice is really the issue. So long as it isn’t imposed by society.
Waxman has been waiting and preparing for so long for this opportunity, marisacat. So, yes ‘Go Waxman’!
Lost a post – maybe it’ll eventually show up.
Oops, it did show up – thanks MC.
New Thread
It’s Suction City chez Devore again! Viva l’OSH!
Despite it not being my favorite hardware store ever, I do like hardware stores; they are filled with all sorts of things that remind me there is so much I don’t know. But eventually something comes up and you will have to purchase one of these mysterious things and understand its place in the world. You might even have the opportunity to pass on some of this knowledge “you oughta get a 14cm pantagruel to use as an adapter…”
etc.
Not to say you don’t occasionally run across a horror. For me today, it was the faux-bronze garden statuary, with a mist of blue-green over it to indicate the grand age of the piece. The worst piece-about 3′ high, was of a young girl in a dress, using a hoola hoop. A terrible pained exhaustion in her eyes which murmured :”Yes, I won the hula hoop contest, but I’ve been doing this since 1960, forsaking even puberty, for this Sisyphean game”
that Greer book sounds interesting, SV – thx! ‘male beauty’ is such a buggaroo for guys ‘cuz of a fear of homo-eroticism (& possibly being implicated in such should one upset the linguistic gender divide of beautiful/handsome) – how hard or uncomfortable it is for some men to even acknowledge another as handsome – Women may not mock a man’s sexual appeal. That is the worst transgression possible. – yep, that insecure male ego thang
I got used to women telling me I had beautiful hair when I was young – but recall as a teenage finding it odd . . . one grows as one can – I’ve known a number of beautiful men – outside & in
busy busy day ahead for me – here’s my newsie item for the day:
noticed the chron yesterday had a good piece on e-waste in the third world & the Basel Action Network (where the China cyberdump came from)
Lucid Culture, thanks so much for the Joni. Hissing of Summer Lawns is a masterpiece.