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Time and the river flowing… 24 April 2007

Posted by marisacat in Culture of Death, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, WAR!.

    San Joaquin Delta, California

Isn’t this the winner… I landed on it at Danny Schechter’s News Dissector… From the 1997 summer edition of the US Army War College quarterly, Parameters…  and we certainly are living it..

There will be no peace. At any given moment for the rest of our lifetimes, there will be multiple conflicts in mutating forms around the globe. Violent conflict will dominate the headlines, but cultural and economic struggles will be steadier and ultimately more decisive. The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killing.

We have entered an age of constant conflict. Information is at once our core commodity and the most destabilizing factor of our time. Until now, history has been a quest to acquire information; today, the challenge lies in managing information. Those of us who can sort, digest, synthesize, and apply relevant knowledge soar–professionally, financially, politically, militarily, and socially. We, the winners, are a minority.

For the world masses, devastated by information they cannot manage or effectively interpret, life is “nasty, brutish . . . and short-circuited.” The general pace of change is overwhelming, and information is both the motor and signifier of change. Those humans, in every country and region, who cannot understand the new world, or who cannot profit from its uncertainties, or who cannot reconcile themselves to its dynamics, will become the violent enemies of their inadequate governments, of their more fortunate neighbors, and ultimately of the United States. We are entering a new American century, in which we will become still wealthier, culturally more lethal, and increasingly powerful. We will excite hatreds without precedent. [whew, let’s snip that… ]

Needless to say it is a mass of rolling hubris, graf after graf of it.  For the 2000, 01, 02,  and so on, graduates of the various military colleges, I wonder what they think of the endless war…  From what I read recently, while still shy of 50% a significant percentage of relatively recent grads from the officer ranks are leaving at the first opportunity.

 Wonder how they feel in those schools about the death of Pat Tillman.  My evening news is just about to cover the soon to come (tomorrow I think) hearings.

Suicide by president.


Jeff at Rigorous Intuition takes an elegant, buying-into-nothing route to reach this graf at the close of a mid-March entry (he is still on hiatus):

So what’s my point?

Critical thinking isn’t instinctual. We shouldn’t presume, in our disdain of the official story (whatever story that may be, and however official), that we’ve reached the truth once we stand with it’s official opposition, because we may be either boxing ourselves in with rigid either/or thinking, or be boxed in by the authorities who mean to control both thesis and antithesis.

We should know that some boxes feel like home. They’re meant to feel that way.


Because so much is so terrible… the respite of art…;)

 ms_xeno's collage

I am here in mimicry of Scruggs who posted first at UFO Breakfast, but, what the hell, I did it anyway… 😉




1. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2007

That Army thing feels like self-fulfilling prophecy coupled with self-serving distortions used to justify further crimes.

2. supervixen - 24 April 2007

U.S. study shows no breast cancer/abortion link

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Abortions and miscarriages do not raise the risk of breast cancer, despite claims by some groups and some studies that suggest they do, researchers said on Monday.

A study of more than 100,000 U.S. nurses found that those who had an abortion or miscarriage were no more likely to have breast cancer than any other woman in the study.

The findings fit with a 2003 report from an international expert panel put together by the U.S. National Cancer Institute.

“If you look at the high-quality evidence, it does not support an association between induced abortions and breast cancer,” said Karin Michels of Brigham and Women’s Hospital and Harvard Medical School in Boston.

What do you want to bet that this story doesn’t make the front page at DKos? I’ll go further – I bet that it won’t get covered at all.

That place just gets worse and worse. Look at this: Christian iconography creakily rolled out and compared to – wait for it – Harry Reid! Ugh.


Hey ms x, I love your collages!

3. the paine - 24 April 2007

that parameters quote
don’t mind that ….
its by
good ole ralph peters

a brass hats’
junk yard dog
with a flair for phrasing

cut him slack
and he’ll bite anything
he can reach

a pure 360 scrapper

for the iraqotrap agin the iraqotrap

who runs his switches ???

prolly a tumor on his front lobes
that one
in charlie whitman’s head

4. supervixen - 24 April 2007

On another note: some good poetry here.

5. marisacat - 24 April 2007

paine.. I just don’t think that sort of view of the world and theorizing (or planning) about the future is rare, at all.

6. marisacat - 24 April 2007

Via TruthOut:

Low-Key Office Launches High-Profile Inquiry

By Tom Hamburger
The Los Angeles Times

Tuesday 24 April 2007

The Office of Special Counsel will investigate US attorney firings and other political activities led by Karl Rove.

Washington – Most of the time, an obscure federal investigative unit known as the Office of Special Counsel confines itself to monitoring the activities of relatively low-level government employees, stepping in with reprimands and other routine administrative actions for such offenses as discriminating against military personnel or engaging in prohibited political activities.

But the Office of Special Counsel is preparing to jump into one of the most sensitive and potentially explosive issues in Washington, launching a broad investigation into key elements of the White House political operations that for more than six years have been headed by chief strategist Karl Rove.

The new investigation, which will examine the firing of at least one U.S. attorney, missing White House e-mails, and White House efforts to keep presidential appointees attuned to Republican political priorities, could create a substantial new problem for the Bush White House.

First, the inquiry comes from inside the administration, not from Democrats in Congress. Second, unlike the splintered inquiries being pressed on Capitol Hill, it is expected to be a unified investigation covering many facets of the political operation in which Rove played a leading part. [snip]

7. outofwater - 24 April 2007


It’s a whitewash.

Here’s a sampling comments from TPM:

Reorganization of Special Counsel’s Office Raises Concerns in Congress

Six House Democrats yesterday asked the Government Accountability Office, an arm of Congress, to investigate a reorganization at the Office of Special Counsel, headed by Scott J. Bloch.

The House members, in a letter to GAO, said they wanted “to learn more about the rationale” for actions taken by Bloch, including his order requiring 12 District-based employees to accept reassignment to field offices or face dismissal.

Three watchdog groups had complained that Bloch’s reorganization was an attempt to purge career employees and replace them with political allies. The complaint was made by Danielle Brian of the Project on Government Oversight, Jeff Ruch of Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility and Tom Devine of the Government Accountability Project.

Two federal unions — the American Federation of Government Employees and the National Treasury Employees Union — also have called on the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee to probe Bloch’s reorganization. The committee’s staff is looking into the matter, a spokeswoman said.

The letter from the House Democrats asks GAO to investigate why Bloch told 12 employees in Washington to transfer to field offices or face dismissal; why he wants to open a Detroit office “even though the OSC does not appear to have a significant caseload in that region,” and why Bloch has approved the use of no-bid management consultant contracts.

In addition, the House members asked GAO to determine why Bloch signed a contract with a former boarding school headmaster “for unspecified services.”

Nice to see that the MSM has taken the bait, but very disappointed in you, Paul! – Get out the rake and do some digging…

OSC has been showing up on the back pages of the WaPo since Bloch was appointed. Every Fed I know lives in fear of having to rely on the Merit Systems Protection Board decisions and possibly being at the mercy of this wing-nut.

This is clearly a smoke screen. Look! The Government is investigating Karl Rove, see we aren’t incompetent – the Dems are full of crap and hysterical nay-sayers. Nothing to see here, fellow Americans, just competent Government in action!

Posted by: kimber
Date: April 24, 2007 11:07 AM

I am from Kansas, and the name Scott Bloch should not give anyone confidence in this investigation, I’m sorry to say. Here is info a watchdog group collected about him, courtey of Alternet:

“They claim Bloch has denied help to gay workers who assert sexual-orientation discrimination; dismissed hundreds of whistleblower and discrimination complaints without any investigation; issued illegal gag orders and reassigned or fired employees he suspects of leaking information about him; and left critical staff vacancies open, while hiring numerous unqualified friends at high salaries for unnecessary administrative positions. Worse, they allege that he has politicized what should be a nonpartisan office by squashing investigation into whether Condoleezza Rice had broken campaign law, but speedily pursuing allegations against John Kerry; and vigorously pursuing petty complaints against Democrats and Green Party candidates, while burying complaints against Republicans.”

If I had to guess, I’d say it’s quite possible that he’s looking to give Rove an official stamp of approval, not take a serious look at his behavior.

Posted by: Alice Lieberman
Date: April 24, 2007 10:15 AM

8. marisacat - 24 April 2007

well I think it mirrors the shadow dance done on the Hill w/r/t Gonzales.

Meaningless. The Dems can fake it all they want, the Republicans can shift the light from the Dems (something they are past masters at), the time for the Democratic party to run against Bush was years ago. And longer ago to oppose him.

I see EVERYTHING now as diversion. Used to pass time an dkeep that table top clear… LOL Waxman is not a majority in the HOuse, just one person.

9. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 April 2007

Hopefully at last the criminal Karl Rove, will be exposed and properly prosecuted for his role in the downfall of this country.

Otoh, these people never give up – even when they are caught breaking law after law. Wolfowitz is a perfect example:

Wolfowitz Hires Prominent Lawyer in Fight to Stay at World Bank

WASHINGTON, April 23 — Paul D. Wolfowitz, signaling anew that he will fight for his job as World Bank president, has enlisted a prominent lawyer who defended President Bill Clinton against accusations of sexual misconduct to help convince the bank’s board that Mr. Wolfowitz has done nothing to justify being ousted.

Robert S. Bennett, the lawyer selected by Mr. Wolfowitz, said in an interview that before the bank’s board acted on charges of ethical lapses, he and Mr. Wolfowitz wanted more time to prepare a case showing that the bank president had acted properly on all matters that the board is investigating.

“I am very worried about the rush to judgment,” Mr. Bennett said. “We just had a wonderful example of that in the Duke lacrosse case. I have reviewed the essential documents, and I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that Mr. Wolfowitz exercised good faith and that everything he did was in the best interests of the bank.”

It was unclear whether Mr. Wolfowitz intended to pay his legal fees himself or whether he would seek reimbursement from the bank. His latest sign of apparent determination to keep his job came as the furor over his record continued to spread.

Bank officials said that after several days of canvassing hundreds of employees, about 25 vice presidents of the bank were preparing to document that the overwhelming majority of the employees favor Mr. Wolfowitz’s departure.

The World Bank wants him to go, as the UN wanted Bolton to go. What a disgrace that any of these criminals were ever allowed to represent the US abroad. But that may be the only way to bring them down because the US itself knew what they were and did nothing to stop them.

Crooks like Tom Delay and Richard Perle, one already indicted, the other under investigation, are still allowed to lecture Americans on patriotism. It’s laughable really but indicative of how far the country has sunk in terms of morality and what we expect. The media is totally complicit in the downfall of this country over the past several years. It too needs to be thoroughly cleaned out.

10. marisacat - 24 April 2007

Worse, Tom Delay is allowed to lecture Americans on JESUS CHRIST.

Supposedly Mr Delay’s Lord and Savior.

11. lucidculture - 24 April 2007

Well mcat, you know the historical Jesus supposedly did hang out with criminals…

12. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 April 2007

Oow, it crossed my mind to be honest, that this could be a smokescreen, but I think if it is, it will blow up in their faces. Too much is now being revealed about Rove and his operation inside the WH. They may just be trying to cover for themselves, to be able to say they too had concerns, even if they ‘fail’ to uncover any ‘wrong-doing’ on the part of Rove!

Meantime, if you have not been tuned in, Pat Tillman’s brother and mother, as well as Jessica Lynch, have been giving devastating testimony on the death of Pat Tillman and the ‘creation of heroes’ by the military.

Pat Tillman’s brother pulled no punches, he basically said that he believes his brother’s death was ‘fratricide’. He was fantastic.

I hope the testimony will be repeated, it is still going on on C-Span 3 and I think some highlights made it to MSNBC. I also just heard a clip of his testimony on the radio.

His family believes he was murdered because he had spoken out against the war in Iraq and was about to come home (before the election) and join the Kerry campaign, which would have been devastating for the Bush campaign. Then, to add insult to injury, in their opinion, the military, knowing they were lying about his death, tried to use it to get Bush re-elected.

They are not giving up no matter how many military investigations say it was ‘friendly fire’. Jessica Lynch was also wonderful, and her doctor testified he saw no bullet wounds on her body, contrary to the reports at the time.

13. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 April 2007

Hi Lucid, re your question in the last thread, (a little OT, sorry) re playing on the Eastend! There are now so many different kinds of night-clubs and places to go for entertainment in the Hamptons, but don’t forget the North Shore which also has some great opportunities for bands that are not suitable for the old ‘coffee house’ crowd! I will look in the local papers (available online). A friend of mine who played acoustic guitar with his girlfriend (she plays flute) just went in to a few places a few years ago, and asked if they were interested in letting him play. Many of them feature different music on different nights, eg ‘all blues night’ or ‘all hard rock’ etc. They told him they had a night for his kind of music which was not filled so ‘yes, they were interested’.

My suggestion would be to get a listing of places that feature live bands and contact them. I’ll ask around also. This is the best time to do it as they have to schedule everything in advance and may still not have a full schedule –

14. lucidculture - 24 April 2007

Thanks SB. Yeah – I gotta start getting on this pronto. We used to have a connection up in the Hamptons, but is was a band full of trust-fund flakes that could never get their act together & book a show with us. We actually have gotten radio play in central LI, but before we could book some fall shows there our bassist left town.

Anyhow I’ll start browsing online tonight – if you come accross any club that looks interesting let me know: noxes at verizon dot net.


15. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 April 2007

Tom Delay is allowed to lecture Americans on JESUS CHRIST.Marisacat

Lol, yes, I remember after he was indicted and forced to quit Congress, he announced that he might become a preacher, or missionary or something. He is certifiable, imo. The public seems to realize it, but the media is still in awe of this crook. Not only is his sanity in question, but a country that ever took him seriously needs to have a reality check as to its own collective sanity.

16. marisacat - 24 April 2007

Obama foreign policy speech, edited version via RCP.

So I reject the notion that the American moment has passed. I dismiss the cynics who say that this new century cannot be another when, in the words of President Franklin Roosevelt, we lead the world in battling immediate evils and promoting the ultimate good.

I still believe that America is the last, best hope of Earth. We just have to show the world why this is so. This President may occupy the White House, but for the last six years the position of leader of the free world has remained open. And it’s time to fill that role once more.

I think that is called, on to greatness boobs and rubes. Vote for me, more of the same. Go fuck yourselves. Cue Sousa.

Full Text via TPM

And, if you can stand it, the Stoller take. Right in line with the speech, I’d say:

It’s good speech, what I would expect from a brilliant neoliberal. Obama provides a connected economic and political vision, which very much borrows from McGovern, Carter, and Clinton’s notions of a globalized and connected community led by American moral and military might.

There’s a lot to like here, though it’s not so much a progressive vision, which you can tell from his allusions to people like Dick Lugar, George Schultz, Henry Kissinger, Bill Perry, and Sam Nunn. It’s from the Clinton playbook.

oh I am sooo excited.

17. outofwater - 24 April 2007

SB-We’ll see, I hope you’re right.

TPM linked to a shakesville story about the investigation. It raises similar issues

Oh yeah, I’d never visited Shakespeare’s Sister before, it’s a neat site.

18. lucidculture - 24 April 2007

Obama just referenced Kissinger? The man who can’t leave the country because he’ll be arrested on sight for war crimes? The architect of the dissappeared?

And what, exactly, is there to like here?

Obama irks me more by the day.

19. marisacat - 24 April 2007

well from what I get off obama, but for his brief years (3, iirc) as a community organiser for a local church, he is very much a Clintonista. I doubt he ever left that camp post ’92. Yes he made his “dumb war” speech in advance of the war, but he also ran from that speech and actively hid it for years. Took it down from his website when he was running for the senate (according to BC)

At one point Black Commentator published it in full as he was denying it so vigorously. Now it is resuscitated as a campaign device. Little more.

20. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 April 2007

Lucid, #14 – will email if I hear of anything that might be of interest to you! 🙂

Kucinich planned to introduce articles of impeachment against Cheney today. But, poor Cheney had to go to the hospital!

Kucinich Puts VP Impeachment on Hold

ABC News’ Jennifer Duck Reports: Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, is not one to kick a man when he’s down. The congressman and long shot presidential candidate canceled a scheduled press conference Tuesday morning during which he was to call for Vice President Cheney’s impeachment.

When the Vice President was rushed to the doctor to examine a blood clot in his leg, Kucinich canceled the event and released the following statement: “News reports this morning indicate the Vice President was experiencing a medical crisis. Until the Vice President’s condition is clarified, I am placing any action on hold.”

The Vice President returned to work immediately after the doctor’s exam. No word yet on when, or if, the Congressman will reschedule the impeachment announcement.

Kucinich’s call for impeachment was getting more attention than I expected. I haven’t checked daily kos or the other ‘democratic’ blogs, but I’m sure we’ll hear that same old ‘and if Cheney resigns, who will we get, John McCain? That’s bad politics, he’ll be set up for the 2008 nomination if that happens’ blah, blah.

This is why criminals continue to hold high offices in this country. There’s always an excuse as to why they should not be prosecuted for crimes committed against the American people. It’s pure BS imo. We can’t impeach Bush because we might get Cheney, we can’t impeach Cheney because we might get McCain, and so we get two more years of the most criminal administration ever. That makes perfect sense! Except it doesn’t.

21. outofwater - 24 April 2007

Rudy, Obama and Hillary are fungible.

Let’s pray for a dark horse. Shoot, Gore is looking good to me right now.

22. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 April 2007

Bill Moyers is back on tv. He has a special coming up on PBS called ‘Buying the War’.

Bill Moyers’ Blog

How the administration marketed the war to the American people has been well covered, but critical questions remain: How and why did the press buy it, and what does it say about the role of journalists in helping the public sort out fact from propaganda?

In this clip from the premiere of BILL MOYERS JOURNAL on PBS, Bob Simon of 60 Minutes, who was based in the Middle East, talks about the reporting he was seeing and reading out of the beltway, and John Walcott and Warren Strobel of Knight Ridder newspapers (now The McClatchy Company), discuss their work burrowing deep into the intelligence agencies to determine whether there was any evidence for the Bush Administration’s case for war. On Wednesday, April 25 at 9 P.M. on PBS (check local listings), watch “Buying the War,” a 90-minute documentary that explores the role of the press in the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq, which includes interviews with Dan Rather, formerly of CBS; Tim Russert of Meet the Press; and Walter Isaacson, former president of CNN.

The first comment on his blog following the review, asks some good questions. I’m not sure the media bought the lies, I think they chose to propogate them, some because they were complicit, others out of fear. So, maybe the question ought to be ‘did the media deliberately lie to the American people about the Iraq War and if so, why?’ and then go from there.


The Waxman Committee hearings on Pat Tillman’s death is getting coverage in the media.

Tillman’s brother blasts military

WASHINGTON – Pat Tillman’s brother accused the military Tuesday of “intentional falsehoods” and “deliberate and careful misrepresentations” in portraying the football star’s death in Afghanistan as the result of heroic engagement with the enemy instead of friendly fire.

“We believe this narrative was intended to deceive the family but more importantly the American public,” Kevin Tillman told a House Government Reform and Oversight Committee hearing. “Pat’s death was clearly the result of fratricide,” he said.

“Revealing that Pat’s death was a fratricide would have been yet another political disaster in a month of political disasters … so the truth needed to be suppressed,” said Tillman, who was in a convoy behind his brother when the incident happened three years ago but didn’t see it.

The committee’s chairman, Rep. Henry Waxman (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., accused the government of inventing “sensational details and stories” about Pat Tillman’s death and the 2003 rescue of Jessica Lynch, perhaps the most famous victims of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars.


And in other news, Bush is in Harlem pushing his No Child Left Behind program, despite the latest revelations of corruption involved in that horrific program which never should have passed Congress, again with help from many Democrats. It also had the hidden recruitment clause which gave the military permission to collect private data on students from schools, and any school that refused to comply, would be denied federal funding. Dems have yet to explain their role in passing that draconian legislation.

23. wu ming - 24 April 2007

that paragraph from rigorous institution is brilliant.

24. marisacat - 24 April 2007


Pity the Dems supported NCLB and even now just meul. Burbles about “funding” it. They intend to do so little as to do nothing.

Testing, and profits for all the independent testing firms (in which Neil Bush is involved) hae shot thru the roof.

Bush woo’d both Kennedy and George Miller. It was highly successful.

25. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 April 2007

Marisacat, I agree re NCLB. But they now have a chance to undo the damage. It has been a total failure, not to mention the corruption invovled (districts ordered to buy from specific vendors, all friends of Bush). The use of children to further enrich themselves, and to make sure that many of the poor sign up for the military, is as reprehensible as anything else this adminitration and the Bush family in particular, are capable of. But the Dems have helped, every step along the way.

But Democrats could stop this program now, but I have not found anything yet showing any resistance to it from the DP.

I always felt that the title ‘No Child Left Behind’ was a sick joke by the Bush administration – which it was, whether intentional or not.

26. marisacat - 24 April 2007

Br-r-r-r-r-eaking. Tho really, broken, the system, the military, the nation…, to be more accurate.

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:


Some evidence is creating questions about how high any alleged misinformation campaign about Cpl Pat Tillman’s death may have gone. Read more about it here:

ABC News Link

27. marisacat - 24 April 2007

SB, well they lied about the Houston “miracle” (that led to NCLB) and used a black man to do it. So classic.

I don’t expect much. A few years ago I poked around (watching Medicare fall apart across Bush 1 and little cessation under Clinton 1 and II, those people who said they promised health care… LOL) and found that in ’73 when Kennedy pushed HMO legislation he (and the Democrats) promised it as the “first step” (his words) to nationalised health care.

The game is to break the public school system slowly over years. I don’t think, other than here and there, that the Dems care much, at all.

Vouchers, tax credits for private/parochial, etc, gaming the system, etc. I don’t hear a great outcry.

They may tweak it (NCLB) but not much else.

28. missdevore - 24 April 2007

from raw:

“A spokesman for Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice suggested that she had more important things to do than testify before Congress the day before a House Committee is threatening to issue a subpoena for her cooperation with an investigation into the evidence used to build the case for the Iraq War.”

and pray tell, what important things does she have to do? Broker peace in the Middle East?

29. marisacat - 24 April 2007

lie about birth pangs, I think.

They better issue subpoenas and be done with it.

I mean does congress get a lot done in summer? That the Great American Family notices?

30. outofwater - 24 April 2007

“It also had the hidden recruitment clause which gave the military permission to collect private data on students from schools, and any school that refused to comply, would be denied federal funding. Dems have yet to explain their role in passing that draconian legislation.”

Parents may refuse to allow their children’s information to be released. But few know they have that right.

31. marisacat - 24 April 2007

that is right, they have to specifically opt OUT.

32. missdevore - 24 April 2007

condi’s schedule:

Daily Appointments Schedule for April 24



10:00 a.m. with Sean McCormack
Pick up time for all press: 9:55 a.m. from room 2310 / no late escort

(at approximately 12:00 p.m. with Sean McCormack)


Travel to Norway
Secretary Rice will travel to Oslo, Norway April 26 for an informal meeting of NATO Foreign Ministers.

33. lucidculture - 24 April 2007

I thought Condi’s schedule was more like:

8:00 Wake up & shower to wash blood off hands.
9:00 Breakfast with husband Bush
9:30 Fly to NY on taxpayer money
10:30 Buy shoes
12:00 Lunch with CEO’s at expensive midtown location on taxpayer money
1:30 Play tennis with Monica Seles
3:30 Meet with members of AIPAC to discuss how US foreign policy can benefit Israel
6:00 Dinner with CEO’s at expensive Tribeca location on taxpayer money
8:30 Fly back to DC on taxpayer money
10:00 Read bedtime story to husband Bush.
10:30 Spend time in hot tub to wash blood off hands.
11:00 Lights out.

34. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 April 2007

Lol, Lucid – Condy was also subpoena’d in the Aipac spy trial. The defendants’ lawyers issued the subpoena claiming she can testify that they did not need to spy as top US Government officials willingly passed them ‘sensitive’ information. Don’t know what the status of that subpoena is since the media never mentions that upcoming trial.


Outofwater: Parents may refuse to allow their children’s information to be released. But few know they have that right.

True, except that this was covered in the bill. Schools were not allowed to inform parents of the law, and if they did, it was another reason for losing federal funding. Since most of us would never have suspected that our government was spying on children in order to sign them up (without the consent of their parents) that provision was useless until at least a year or two after the law went into effect and people began to learn about it.

I do remember one school in California I think, defying the law and notifying parents that they were being ordered to turn over info about their kids. I don’t know what happened in that case.

35. marisacat - 24 April 2007

That information is publicised widely in this area, thru media, both TV, print and radio. Even so, hard to reach everyone, when ti shoudl have been mandated that the school advise parents.

SF works (depending on who is on the School Board here) to deny ROTC a place in the public schools here, so the idea of a school turning over information to recruiters does not go down well.

36. Marie - 24 April 2007

Re: Robert S. Bennett, the lawyer selected by Mr. Wolfowitz,…

Guess Wolfie is going for Bennett’s skill in dragging out a case for years because as a defense attorney, he basically sucks.

37. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 April 2007

Marisacat #35 – you are right, California schools did provide the information that parents could opt out of the NCLB recruitment program. Actually, I just read the provision, and it does allow schools to inform parents of their options.

“(2) Consent: A secondary school student or the parent of the student may request that the name, address and telephone listing of the student as described in paragraph (1) not be released without prior written parental consent and the local educational agency or private school shall notify parents of the option to make a request and shall comply with the request.”

So, it isn’t as bad as I thought..


Marie, what’s amazing is how much Wolfowitz wants to hold on to that job. They never go voluntarily, no matter what is revealed about them or how many people want them to go. They will all have to be driven out of office and so far, most of them are still there. I really don’t know what it will take to get rid of them. How much more do we need to know?

Cheney, eg, under fire for his lies, is on tv attacking Dems again on the Iraq War bill (why, I don’t know since they are giving him all he wants) while articles of impeachment are being filed against him tomorrow. They have nothing but disdain for the American people.

38. Marie - 24 April 2007

Sabrina — nobody willingly leaves a “Master of the Universe” job. They’re all sick puppies.

39. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 April 2007

Memo to Daily Kos’ BarbinMd – it is not good news that the Office of Special Counsel will investigate Karl Rove. Didn’t read the thread, so maybe someone clued her in by now but she should have done a little research before publishing a FP story on the news. I think most people were pretty skeptical about this info from the beginning and most blogs, including those treated with disdain often by DK, hesitated to jump for joy until they checked out who was doing the investigating. Including THIS ONE! Lol.

Marie, too true, but what does it say about this country that for so many years these sickos have been allowed free reign to do whatever they wanted? It’s pretty depressing and even more so that the opposition party colluded with them many times, some of them voting to confirm some of the worst of Bush’s nominees.

40. lucidculture - 24 April 2007

Dammit. I’m missing a Patti Smith acoustic show tonight at Bowery Ballroom. Didn’t even know it was happening until I walked by there to catch the train & it was sold out. Grrr. I’m usually on top of it enough to catch her whenever she plays in town.

41. marisacat - 24 April 2007

Just saw this in a TruthOut email:

Jason Leopold | Rove Investigator Himself Under Investigation


A federal investigation into the political activities of Karl Rove, was announced late Tuesday, is being headed by a Bush appointee who is currently the target of an internal White House probe – calling into question the integrity of the administration’s efforts to conduct an independent review of Rove’s work as White House political adviser.

Haven’t had a chnce to read it … No big surprise tho…

42. outofwater - 24 April 2007

Lately, there has been what should be an embarrassing pattern between TPM and the DK front page. About two hours after TPM posts a story, some front-pager posts the same story, without credit naturally.

43. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2007

What does K mean, he won’t “kick a man while he’s down?”

Fuck, that bastard shoots his friends in the fucking face. He eats babies for breakfast and willingly sacrifices soldiers and civilians alike to the volcano god Halliburton. Kick him, dammit. Stomp on his head. Grab something hard and heavy and break his fucking kneecaps. Cheney has no compunctions about doing such things himself.

This is a fight for civilization, dammit. When he’s down is the best fucking time to kick him. This isn’t Sunday school.

44. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2007

While the Dems and their lapdog blogs continue to avoid the ongoing criminal theft of the right to vote, Green candidate Fitrakis keeps fighting the good fight.

Rosenfeld & Fitrakis:

Numerous tech-savvy bloggers, starting with the online investigative consortium epluribusmedia.org and their November 2006 article cross-posted by contributor luaptifer to Dailykos, and Joseph Cannon’s blog at Cannonfire.blogspot.com, outed the RNC tech network. That web-hosting firm is SMARTech Corp. of Chattanooga, TN, operating out of the basement in the old Pioneer Bank building. The firm hosts scores of Republican websites, including georgewbush.com, gop.com and rnc.org.

The software created for the Ohio secretary of state’s Election Night 2004 website was created by GovTech Solutions, a firm co-founded by longtime GOP computing guru Mike Connell. He also redesigned the Bush campaign’s website in 2000 and told “Inside Business” magazine in 1999, “I wouldn’t be where I am today without the Bush campaign and the Bush family because the Bushes truly are about family and I’m loyal to my network.”

Ohio’s Cedarville University, a Christian school with 3,100 students, issued a press release on January 13, 2005 describing how faculty member Dr. Alan Dillman’s computing company Government Consulting Resources, Ltd, worked with these Republican-connected companies to tally the vote on Election Night 2004.

“Dillman personally led the effort from the GCR side, teaming with key members of Blackwell’s staff,” the release said. “GCR teamed with several other firms – including key players such as GovTech Solutions, which performed the software development – to deliver the end result. SMARTech provided the backup and additional system capacity, and Mercury Interactive performed the stress testing.”

On Election Night 2004, the Republican Party not only controlled the vote-counting process in Ohio, the final presidential swing state, through a secretary of state who was a co-chair of the Bush campaign, but it also controlled the technology that allowed the tally of the vote in Ohio’s 88 counties to be reported to the media and voters.

Privatizing elections and allowing known partisans to run a key presidential vote count is troubling enough. But the reason Congress must investigate these high-tech ties is there is abundant evidence that Republicans could have used this computing network to delay announcing the winner of Ohio’s 2004 election while tinkering with the results.

Did Ohio Republican Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell or other GOP operatives inflate the president’s vote totals to secure George W. Bush’s margin of victory? On Election Night 2004, many of the totals reported by the Secretary of State were based on local precinct results that were impossible. In Clyde, Ohio, a Republican haven, Bush won big after 131 percent voter turnout. In Republican Perry County, two precincts came in at 124 percent and 120 percent respectively. In Gahanna Ward 1, precinct B, Bush received 4,258 votes despite the fact that only 638 people voted for president. In Concord Southwest in Miami County, the certified election results proudly proclaimed at 679 out of 689 registered voters cast ballots, a 98.55 percent turnout. FreePress.org later found that only 547 voters had signed in.

These strange election results were routed by county election officials through Ohio’s Secretary of State’s office, through partisan IT providers and software, and the final results were hosted out of a computer based in Tennessee announcing the winner. The Cedarville University releases boasted the system “was running like a champ.” It said, “The system kept running through the early morning hours as users from around the world looked to Ohio for their election results.”

All the facts are not in, but enough is known to warrant a serious congressional inquiry. Beginning with a timeline on Election Night after a national media consortium exit poll predicted Democrat John Kerry would win Ohio, the first Ohio returns were from the state’s Democratic urban strongholds, showing Kerry in the lead.

The most eyebrow-raising example to emerge from parsing precinct results was finding 10,500 people in three Ohio’s ‘Bible Belt’ counties who’voted to re-elect Bush and voted in favor of gay marriage, if the official results are true. That was in Warren, Butler and Clermont Counties. The most plausible explanation for this anomaly, which defies logic and was not seen anywhere else in the country, was Kerry votes were flipped to Bush while the rest of the ballot was left alone. While we have some theories about how that might have been done by hand in a police-guarded warehouse, could full Republican control of the vote-counting software and servers also have played a role?

The early returns on the Secretary of State’s website suggest Blackwell’s vote-tallying and reporting system could manipulate large blocks of votes. Screenshots taken during the early returns in Hamilton County, where Cincinnati is located, gave Green Party presidential candidate David Cobb 39,541 votes, which was clearly incorrect. Similarly, early return screenshots in Lucas County, where Toledo is located, gave Cobb 4,685 votes, another clear error. (The screenshots are in our book). Were these innocent computer glitches or was a GOP vote-counting and reporting system moving and dumping Kerry votes?

There’s more evidence the late returns from Ohio’s Republican-majority countryside were not accurate. During the spring and summer of 2006, several teams of investigators associated with Freepress.org, notably one team led by Ron Baiman, a Ph.D. statistician and researcher at Chicago’s Loyola University, examined the actual election records from precincts in Miami and Clermont Counties. These records – from poll books where voters sign in, to examining the actual ballots themselves – were not publicly accessible until last year, under orders from Ohio’s former Republican Secretary of State. Baiman compared the number of voters who signed in with the total number of votes attributed to precincts. He found hundreds of “phantom” votes, where the number of voter signatures was less than the reported vote total. That discrepancy also suggests vote count fraud.

There was other evidence in the observable paper trail of padding the vote, including instances in Delaware County where in one precinct, 359 of the final punch-card ballots cast on Election Day contained no Kerry votes, which means the day’s last voters all were Bush supporters, which also is improbable. In another Delaware County precinct, Bush allegedly received the last 210 votes of the day. Were partisan local election workers trying to mask what was happening electronically to tilt the vote count?

Ohio’s 2004 ballots were to be destroyed last September. However that fate was blocked by a federal judge, who ruled in the early phase of trying a Voting Rights Act lawsuit that accused Ohio officials of suppressing the minority vote in Ohio’s cities. The state’s new Secretary of State and Attorney General, both Democrats, are now holding settlement talks for that suit, suggesting its claims have merit. However, unlike Florida after the 2000 election, there still has yet to be a full accounting of Ohio’s presidential vote.

What’s clear, however, is the highest ranks of the Republican Party’s political wing, including White House counselor Karl Rove, a handful of the party’s most tech-savvy computer gurus and the former Republican Ohio Secretary of State, created, owned and operated the vote-counting system that reported George W. Bush’s re-election to the presidency. Moreover, it appears the votes that gave Bush his 118,775-vote margin of victory – the boost from Ohio’s countryside – have yet to be confirmed as accurate. Instead, the reporting to date suggests that what happened on the ground and across Ohio’s rural precincts is at odds with the vote tally released on Election Night.

45. marisacat - 24 April 2007

I don’t think Reid is rational. He revs up with a camera. I have thought that for a long time, back to before 2004 election…. He appears fine, as people often do, as he is within familiar surrounds iwth LOTS OF HELP, but really just a garrulous old man.


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46. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2007

forget feeding them, clothing them, sheltering them, educating them, providing them with a world that hasn’t been used up … it’s vitally important to expand censorship to protect the children.

47. marisacat - 24 April 2007

Probably old news but heard on the BBC World News, Mexico City voted for first trimestre abortion.

NYT link

A start…

48. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2007

Thank goodness homeland security is there to keep us safe this dangerous Canuck:

Vann sez, “Vancouver psychotherapist Andrew Feldmar has been barred from entering the United States. The reason? During a random stop-and-search at a US/Canadian border crossing, a Google search of his name led to his article from the Spring 2001 ‘Janus Head: Journal of Interdisciplinary Studies in Literature, Continental Philosophy, Phenomenological Psychology, and the Arts.’ In it Feldmar describes two acid trips he took under the supervision of his graduate advisor in psychology — in 1967. This turns out to have been enough to earn him a life-time ban under the grounds of ‘admitted drug use.’

The border’s are secure!

49. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2007

The Aussies have themselves some crackerjack security too.

50. supervixen - 24 April 2007

I don’t think Reid is rational.

Who needs rationality when you’re a saint!

It’s so hard to be a saint when you’re just a geriatric Mormon out on the street.

51. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2007

Fascist America, in 10 easy steps – Naomi Wolf.

It is very difficult and arduous to create and sustain a democracy – but history shows that closing one down is much simpler. You simply have to be willing to take the 10 steps.

As difficult as this is to contemplate, it is clear, if you are willing to look, that each of these 10 steps has already been initiated today in the United States by the Bush administration.

Because Americans like me were born in freedom, we have a hard time even considering that it is possible for us to become as unfree – domestically – as many other nations. Because we no longer learn much about our rights or our system of government – the task of being aware of the constitution has been outsourced from citizens’ ownership to being the domain of professionals such as lawyers and professors – we scarcely recognise the checks and balances that the founders put in place, even as they are being systematically dismantled. Because we don’t learn much about European history, the setting up of a department of “homeland” security – remember who else was keen on the word “homeland” – didn’t raise the alarm bells it might have.

It is my argument that, beneath our very noses, George Bush and his administration are using time-tested tactics to close down an open society. It is time for us to be willing to think the unthinkable – as the author and political journalist Joe Conason, has put it, that it can happen here. And that we are further along than we realise.

52. Miss Devore - 24 April 2007

ugh. on campus today, the anti-abortion brigade, was just outside the art building with their enlarged 5000x pics of first-trimester abortion. never saw them on campus before, but the anti-gay brigade also selectively held their rally around the art building, last year.

was too busy to post pic of “A woman who died when abortions were illegal.”, but there is always tomorrow.

53. outofwater - 24 April 2007

My son just told me that I’m a good mother, but I’m not maternal person. This was part of a conversation about something like broccoli, totally unemotional. That’s the point, I suppose.

54. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2007

I’m afraid of Americans:

What’s a predictable result of the nonstop wall-to-wall coverage of the Virginia Tech shooting rampage? Well, unsurprisingly, a lot of people are angry.

And with xenophobes like Peter Brimelow and VDare (Michelle Malkin’s fave mag) taking the opportunity to exploit the tragedy for their own political agendas — in this case, bashing Asian immigrants — it isn’t hard to figure out who people will take their anger out on: namely, innocent Koreans. After all, scapegoating is one of our favorite American pastimes.

Sure enough, down in Alabama, an Auburn student was assaulted by a pack of rednecks for the crime of being Asian:

Auburn police are investigating a campus assault last week that targeted an 18-year-old Auburn University student because he is Asian, according to the police report.

The man was standing outside Lane Residence Hall about 11:30 p.m. Thursday when he was attacked by four men, according to the report. The assault lasted for about two minutes and the victim suffered cuts to his lips, a swollen right cheek and a knot on the right side of his head.

55. ms_xeno - 24 April 2007

outofwater, thanks for the compliment. However, Mcat is in big doo-doo with my personal BMT-sponsored lawyer for posting that pic w/o my approval. She’s only safe for now because I’m broke. That goes for you, too, SV, you foul woman-hater you… :p

Speaking of destitution, both physical and moral, I need somebody to explain to me in fifty words or less who Boxer thinks she’s fooling with the “Choice Bill ?” If she were serious, she’d call for Reid to step down from his post before wasting everyone’s time on a bill the Big Blue Patriarchs will never let fly.

If you all covered this while I was once again hitting my Mac with a hammer and cursing the entire Jobs empire with a megaphone, just ignore my query. I’m reading backwards to catch up. 😮

56. ms_xeno - 24 April 2007

Oh, it wasn’t outofwater. It was SV. Now I can’t sue her. Especially since I really dig the poetry.

The rest of you had better watch out though. And no looking at the pictures I posted of my lawyer, either. 😉

57. supervixen - 24 April 2007

out of water: My son just told me that I’m a good mother, but I’m not maternal person.

I’m the same way. I was never “maternal”, or even much interested in having kids, but when I finally happened to have one, I turned into a good mother. Albeit a tense and hypervigilant one.

Dunno about the broccoli, though.

58. marisacat - 24 April 2007

Actually the only thing I have gotten from Boxer is on e coli.

Nothing on the SC ruling. Obviously e coli in the food source is considered a broad based subject and criminalising a medical procedure is not.

She too, along with 8 other Democratic owmen in the senate, signed a letter of support for Casey… so………. too bad I would have to say.

He killed a veto override vote count in the senate on Stem Cell. And they can run again on it in 08. And they will.

59. outofwater - 24 April 2007


Ye[, I’ve got bunches of that. A frequent complaint is my requirement of helmets for bicycle rides in rush hour traffic. I chased him down the street yesterday, and he is nearly grown.

My justification is that it’s his diapers I’d be changing into my old age should he become brain injured, so it’s about me. That could be why he thinks I’m not maternal, too factual.

Or maybe I’m not maternal.

60. supervixen - 24 April 2007

oow – Yes, helmets, definitely – my husband is an MD and has worked many years in emergency rooms, and he says, wear a helmet for EVERYTHING where you are out on wheels/skis/skates, even something as innocuous as biking. He’s told me about some horrific brain injuries resulting from seemingly dumb stuff like rollerblading. You don’t even have to have a big collision. Just falling and hitting your head at sufficient speed will cause huge problems. So you are quite right.

Also, it’s OK for a woman not to be maternal. No need to justify it.

61. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 April 2007

Lol, ms x, promise not to look at the pictures of your lawyer that you posted. We all know that even if you posted them, with his name and address, it doesn’t mean WE can talk about him! That would be a breach of the code of blog ethics! 🙂

Oh yes, someone asked a few threads back, how the copyright investigation was going. Well, it seems to have stalled because Miss D has not yet completed her part of the investigation – she was supposed to take the chihuahua and follow either armando or Glenn Reynolds to determine if they are the same person. If they are not, then the copyright for ‘heh’ may belong to Reynolds (unless it belongs to Beavis and Butthead which is another story). Speaking of lawsuits, this could be a big one.

We’ve been accused of investigating armando’s private life and we’re not living up to our reputation. Now that Miss D solved her vaccuum bag problem, I hope she can complete her part of the assignment soon. This delay is a serious blow to the reputation of the Vags.

62. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 April 2007

outofwater, mothers are practical, so I don’t think being practical means you’re not maternal – just the opposite, imo.

63. outofwater - 24 April 2007

For the next five years I will view the teenage years as pathological, which they are.

If only one could convince the temporarily insane that it is passing. Such is the nature of insanity.

64. marisacat - 24 April 2007

One of my mother’s sisters was the most amazing BITCH. I mean really, breathtaking. Astounding at it. Not an effort either, she was all the time. “Hello” was ALWAYS followed by somthing amazingly rude and bitchy.

AND was the most amazing mother, absolutely in love with small children too…not just her own grandchildren.

People come in all shapes and versions.

65. missdevore - 24 April 2007

“Armenians all over the world commemorate this great tragedy on April 24, because it was on that day in 1915 when 300 Armenian leaders, writers, thinkers and professionals in Constantinople (present day Istanbul) were rounded up, deported and killed. Also on that day in Constantinople, 5,000 of the poorest Armenians were butchered in the streets and in their homes.”

umm–a badly formatted, as usual, post relating to above at Jb.

66. outofwater - 24 April 2007

SSV- My sister-in-law calls some of the equipment my son favored before we moved from a rural environment “donor cycles.”

They’d fly around these ranches on God knows what, mostly ATV’s and jeeps, sometimes they’d ride horses. All of it was just so dangerous. It was an extraordinarily difficult parenting balance between regulating safety and controlling rebellion.

Teaching them to control themselves is just this close to impossible.

67. outofwater - 24 April 2007

SB-Here’s redundant the truth Armando.

The dude suffers painfully if he isn’t the center of controversy. His intellectual contributions are overweighted with a ton of lead by his needy, sickly, desperate gasp for all the air in the room.

68. supervixen - 24 April 2007

Mcat – LOL about your mother’s sister! I’m the opposite – scrupulously polite in social interactions (until I get really super pissed-off), but I’m not “in love with children”. I was never one of those women who would rush to coo over the infant that someone brought into the office. “Oh look, Susie has brought in her new baby!” “Very nice. Excuse me, I see there’s a new pot of coffee!” I’ve gotten more sympathetic towards babies since having one of my own, but not much.

oow – the ATVs are the worst. We’re NEVER getting one. Horses aren’t so bad – at least they have intelligence and a self-preservation instinct so they won’t just casually roll over on you and kill you.

We used to live in Minnesota, where motorcyclists are not required to wear helmets. When we’d see the phalanxes of “helmet-free” bikers buzzing by, my husband would mutter “organ donors”.

Teaching them to control themselves is just this close to impossible.

Oh Shit.

69. supervixen - 24 April 2007

oow – Here’s redundant the truth Armando.

Has Armando been making any noise? I missed it. The last I saw, he was posting at TalkLeft and getting about six comments per diary.

70. marisacat - 24 April 2007

I don’t really know on Armando.. I posted links to his 4 USELESS posts on the SC ruling… just for the hell of it.

I assume he rotates between TL MLW and BHD but i don’ really read any of those regularly.

Well Helen was aberrational in her love of small children… No one in that family (3 sisters and a brother) or among my cousins is a biller or cooer.

My mother’s other sister (and I did not hear this til after Dolly died, it was not some ‘famous family story’) gave birth to her first child on election day in ’32. When she came to all she wanted to know was “Did Roosevelt win?”

LOL. Oh I laughed so hard when I heard that. What a hoot!!

71. outofwater - 24 April 2007

Oh shit.

I’s just like the “terrible twos” but without the fun for mom. I loved them at that stage of becoming themselves. Reliving it with a person who needs a shave isn’t as cute.

During adolescence, each of my children have behaved the way they did during their first “rebellion” at the end of babyhood. The next time there were just more words. My point being the next phase is entirely predictable, for better or worser.

72. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2007

The Indian Wars never ended:

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Native American and Alaskan women are suffering rates of rape and sexual violence nearly three times higher than the US national average, Amnesty says in a new study released Tuesday.

The human rights watchdog said a complex maze of tribal, state and federal jurisdictions often allowed men to rape with impunity, creating a vicious cycle that emboldened rapists and led to more attacks.

The study cited Justice Department figures which indicated that American Indian and Alaska Native women were 2.5 times more likely to be raped or sexually assaulted than women in the United States in general.

The figures said more than one in three Native women would be raped in their lifetime, although that figure may in fact be substantially higher because of a traditional reluctance to report sex crimes.

Also on All Things Considered tonight. The part w/ the interview with the former Indian policewoman from Alaska about her murdered sister (tortured to death) is heartwrenching.

73. outofwater - 24 April 2007

SV-He he has another persona at MLW,–Jake.

That’s all I know.

74. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2007
75. marisacat - 24 April 2007


is Armando Jake’s Guilt (or quilt, I never looked that close) at MLW?

that would explain, two monikers, one asshole.


76. wu ming - 24 April 2007

definitely wear the helmets. i have seen three people die before my very eyes because they weren’t wearing bike helmets. one college kid whose front tire locked suddenly, when i was in 3rd grade; one vietnamese guy in hanoi who got clipped in traffic and took a nose dive into a curb, during my year abroad as an undergraduate; one chinese guy in beijing who got nailed by a truck crossing the road in front of the east gate of qinghua university, where i was studying language.

i used to bitch about my mean mother who forced me to wear them, and actually made me walk 4 miles to school in HS for a week when one of her network of PTA spies caught me not wearing it one day; after witnessing the second death, i stopped complaining. i must have been the only person in beijing wearing a helmet, but i figured you get gawked at enough just for being a foreigner, taking it up a notch and wearing a helmet wasn’t really much of a change.

77. wu ming - 24 April 2007

the voice doesn’t seem quite right for armando, though.

78. lucidculture - 24 April 2007

I must have a thick skull. I was knocked cold head first on the pavement – the cab was probably up to 25 MPH before I was loosed – judging by the fact I was sprinting as fast as I could to keep pace…

No damage to my brain. I adamantly argued to leave the hospital because scans showed that there was no brain damage [and I also adamantly argued against the cops & paramedics in a completely deluded state to let me just walk home].

I can understand protective mothers though. I can imgaine if I had a child, I would respond in much the same way. It’s just that most of the deadliest stuff usually happens in what one thinks of as the most benign situations…

As for the teenage years. Well, I once thought it was completely OK to drive I-94 on acid. Amazingly I live to tell the tale.

79. lucidculture - 24 April 2007


The reservation system and the systemic psychology of permanent disempowerment it has bestowed upon generations of Native Americans is beyond despicable. If we speak of reparations for slavery [with which I agree], we must first deal with making amends with the monstrous way we’ve treated Native Americans. What is worse, is that it is something both ongoing and completely ignored by most of the country.

80. supervixen - 24 April 2007

Jake’s Quilt?? Oh, I should dart on over to MLW and check that out. But…. the idea of going to MLW is too boring. Not only does the thing load like a dying bear (as MCat has aptly observed) but once it loads and you’re there reading it, it doesn’t get a hell of a lot better. It’s sugary and sloppy and suffocating, like Boston molasses disaster.

81. missdevore - 24 April 2007

agree with wu ming.

and I would be surprised if aravia would go through the trouble of manufacturing a voice so not his own. his initial attempts as BTD as another personality & temperment were quite transparent. (at least to me)

I’d czech the usernumber at MLW for Jake’s guilt before coming to conclusions.

“The Two Jakes”

Well Nicholson does remind me of an ultimate asshole who has charmed his share.

Anyway-can’t examine much on that issue–mshock has me in IP lockdown–silly girl! other users can examine exactly how dreadful my recent comments were there.

82. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2007

I’m like Lucid … twice over the handlebars, once head first into a tree while sledding, once hitting my head when I dove into a lake and didn’t put my arms out front fast enough. Think I took a header down some subway stairs when drunk after a show in NYC once or twice, though those are fuzzy.

Been lucky, though I’m sure the Boyz at Little Orange Footballs would say it would explain why I’m so politically naive and “crazy insane”.

83. missdevore - 24 April 2007

lucid–I guess with a truly flaming drunkout at age 14, I could never best myself when I became of legal age. I still can’t drink whiskey or scotch-such was the trauma then. In fact, for years after, I could not even think of an opened bottle without dry-heaving.

So are we all heading to Sabrina’s for summer fun on Long Island?

We better have that auction, so all can afford.

84. Kevin Lynch - 24 April 2007

Armando loves it when you talk about him. It’s usually why I don’t. Don’t read this, asshole!

About the Saint George = Harry Reid brouhaha: More evidence that the people at dKos are not so slowly going insane. It’s what happens when you stop thinking and just doing what the DLC e-mails tell you to do. Just like those voices in their heads, too…

Full investigations, followed by flights to the Hague funded by the confiscated Bush family fortune. Ah, to dream…


85. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2007

I was stuck on a long flight once, was sitting next to a guy working on his PhD in Sociology. He was going to work at a reservation, and was working on a thesis that applied Foucalt’s ideas to the US reservation system. I’ve always wondered how his work turned out.

We could start by making amends for the US Gov’t’s failure of fiduciary duty to properly manage and protect the monies held under trust for the people we insisted on treating like children. The Cobell Trust case has finally gotten a court date:

The federal judge overseeing the Cobell trust fund case has scheduled an October 10 historical accounting trial.

In a five-page order issued today, Judge James Robertson said it was time to move the case forward. He noted that it has been seven years since the Interior Department was ordered to account for the Individual Indian Money (IIM) trust.

“More than seven years (and twenty-eight quarterly status reports) after Cobell V, it is both prudent and well within the supervisory powers of this court to review the accounting project in detail, and to do so in open court, where the government may present, and plaintiffs may test or challenge, the methodology and results of the accounting project up to the time of the hearing,” Robertson wrote. Cobell V was the December 1999 decision that ordered the accounting.

Robertson said the trial will “continue as long as necessary.” He envisioned a visit to Interior’s Indian records repository in Lenexa, Kansas.

On a separate issue, Robertson awarded the plaintiffs $519,565.64 in “reasonable” fees.

They’ve dragged this case out over a couple of Administrations and several Secretaries of the Interior. Babbitt and Clinton were every bit as shameful under their watch as the fucking Bushies.

Steal, rape, denigrate, steal culture and language … the crimes just keep piling up.

86. missdevore - 24 April 2007

Kevin is right. Vitamin A (attention) is essential for aravia.

but the vagosphere and other non-aligned, don’t go and declare people “dead to me.”

in the abscence of a manifesto…..

87. wu ming - 24 April 2007

that cobell trust case would be beautiful if it ended up forcing the feds to cough up kazillions of dollars to the tribes. the poetic justice alone would be fantastic.

88. supervixen - 24 April 2007

wu ming, that’s so great that your mother made you walk four miles to school. In terms of mothering, that’s Clint Eastwood territory. I can only aspire to those heights.

No kidding – that’s hardassed.

Today I had to deal with my son and his friend (both 6.5 years old) for 8 hours straight, and it was very interesting – they spent the time alternately: 1) building things out of Legos in a cooperative fashion, and 2) battling with each other, either in pretend fights where they were playing roles, or actual physical contact (whacking each other on the head, pulling each other around, etc.). Finally I exploded, “OK! NO MORE HITTING OR PULLING OR WHACKING EACH OTHER!!” I was painfully reminded of John Cleese in Life of Brian: “NOBODY WILL STONE ANYBODY UNTIL I BLOW THIS WHISTLE!

The boys had a great time. I was burnt out.

89. lucidculture - 24 April 2007

I still can’t drink whiskey or scotch-such was the trauma then.

Well, neither can I, given that I have celiac disease… but I’m a fool for the wine.

SB’s would be fun. I’ve never actually been to East End LI, and even if it wasn’t for a gig, I’d love to see [from rumor, the ‘light is divine’]. I must warn you all though. I’m 34, I smoke & I’m a part time lush. None of that means that I’m not quite polite in my bad habits, but… well, hey, I’m an honest sort.

Well Nicholson does remind me of an ultimate asshole who has charmed his share.

While he might be an asshole, I wouldn’t quite hold him to the flame like I would Prince Avaria. After all, he is an icon, who has proved to be a decent actor over the years. While I don’t excuse him of being the sexist prick he is in his personal life I’d take 1 performances of Chinatown over 200 bleating diaries where a serial abuser pretends to be a feminist.

90. marisacat - 24 April 2007

He also has Brando’s 125 million dollar (as of a few years ago, in value) hilltop.

91. supervixen - 24 April 2007

Miss D: So are we all heading to Sabrina’s for summer fun on Long Island?

We better have that auction, so all can afford.

I’m up for that.

92. wu ming - 24 April 2007

that wasn’t even the hardest-assed thing she did either. that would be the time when i got caught shoplifting gum (well, actually my friend did it, i was a bystander, altho i did eat the gum) at age 5, and she not only made us go back to the store owner and return the gum and apologize, she called a (family friend) cop to show up and explain why stealing hurt nice people like the shop owner (also a family friend).

suffice to say i have not stolen anything since.

93. missdevore - 24 April 2007

lucid-all us smokers have to admit our vice before proferring in-person contact with others. de riguer.

we promise to go outside and assemble our own ashtrays.

oh, and I do take your point over aravia v. nicholson.

94. supervixen - 24 April 2007

lucid – yes, exactly. Nicholson is wildly talented and has accomplished a lot in his career. Which differentiates him from Armando. I have no idea what Nicholson is like in his private life, but at least he’s not nattering around the internet pretending he’s some kind of feminist.

95. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 April 2007

Lucid, you can smoke here – besides, in case there are people who don’t like it, the doors are always open in the summer so smokers can wander around the property without upsetting anyone else. It’s only a two hour bus-ride from NYC, maybe a little more. Can’t believe you’ve never been out here, it really is beautiful in the summer (Shelter Island, btw, not the Hamptons).

We can drink, smoke, listen to music (hey, Lucid bring the band lol) swim, while planning for Yrly Vags!

Sv and Miss D, an auction sounds like a good idea – we could write a book maybe, well, a pamphlet probably since we don’t have much time.

How about: ‘Begone! How to get banned from three or more liberal blogs – confessions of famous serial blog-wreckers’ – Catnip could write a few chapters on that subject! Lol.

Or ‘Advice to female bloggers: Never order a delivery of cat-food without first asking commenters on your blog for permission. To find out why, buy this book’

Re Armando, Kevin, you’re probably right, outofwater also. I do love kids, btw, and Jack Nicholson – don’t know what he’s like in rl, but he’s a great actor –


Mitm, that article on Alaskan and Native American women is truly disturbing.

96. lucidculture - 24 April 2007

Miss D – smokers code… Be polite and hold your fucking toung when wome ‘nice hearted’ person reminds you that you’re killing yourself. I mean should I call you out for your consumption of non-olive vegetable oils? Should I shake my finger at you every time you give that crap to your kids? [Which is incidentally responsible for their diabetes?]

Don’t get me started. I don’t want to be a smoker anymore, but I am now & the hypocracy of the mainstream health industry pisses me off enough to want to continue for spite.

97. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 April 2007

I love stories like this – I really do believe there is life on other planets, so this is really exciting, at least I think so:

Scientists Find Most Earthlike Planet

An Earthlike planet spotted outside our solar system is the first found that could support liquid water and harbor life, scientists announced Tuesday.

Liquid water is a key ingredient for life as we know it. The newfound planet is located at the “Goldilocks” distance — not too close and not too far from its star to keep water on its surface from freezing or vaporizing away.

And while astronomers are not yet able to look for signs of biology on the planet, the discovery is a milestone in planet detection and the search for extraterrestrial life, one with the potential to profoundly change our outlook on the universe.

”The goal is to find life on a planet like the earth around a star like the sun. This is a step in that direction,” said study leader Stephane Udry of the Geneva Observatory in Switzerland. “Each time you go one step forward you are very happy.”

The new planet is about 50 percent bigger than Earth and about five times more massive. The new “super-Earth” is called Gliese 581 C, after its star, Gliese 581, a diminutive red dwarf star located 20.5 light-years away that is about one-third as massive as the sun.

More …..

98. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 April 2007

Lol, Lucid, I couldn’t agree more re people lecturing others on their supposed bad habits. It makes me want to put a sign up ‘smokers welcome’ – maybe it’s just a reaction to the demonization of smokers now, which I suspect is headed towards more draconian laws just like the drug laws. I’d rather risk the results of smoking, marijuana or anything else, than be subjected to any more assaults on our freedom.

True, it would be better not to smoke, drink, do drugs, eat sugar products, drive cars, fly etc. but life is short no matter what we do, I think more people are sick from tension in their lives than anything else. But that’s just my opinion.

I realize the fear factor has been very successful and most people probably disagree with me.

99. lucidculture - 24 April 2007

He was going to work at a reservation, and was working on a thesis that applied Foucalt’s ideas to the US reservation system.

Ever read ‘Discipline and Punish’? It’s not a far cry. Foucault subtitled it the ‘Birth of the Modern Soul’. It was a book about how prisons were envisioned from Bentham on and their relationship to the idea of modern subjectivity. It’s one of the most profound books I’ve ever read – and, though not specifically, it painfully describes this system in a way that resonates with our reservation system.

Hey – he’s a great read too. You can put him away in a night or so because he’s a phenomenal writer – you can’t put it down.

High praise for ‘Discipline and Punish’ – seriously, must read, so many implicatons.

100. supervixen - 24 April 2007

Don’t miss this exchange in the other thread where Meteor Blades’ bullshit is exposed.

He’s a silly, silly man.

101. lucidculture - 24 April 2007

SB – I’m a sci-fi nut. Honestly, my biggest fantasy – first contact. I would die happy tomorrow, if we had confirmed contact from aliens. That, like no selfless activist from time past, would finally force people to think beyond sheltered lives. That would demand universality.

102. marisacat - 24 April 2007

That would demand universality. – Lucid

Which is why the idea of aliens, any sort of extra-terrestrial travel, thought travel, etc., (whatever one believes) is so slammed by The State.

103. lucidculture - 24 April 2007

And SV (#100) and others – read mine immediately above that link. He hasn’t, and won’t respond to that, because he casts aspersion of jingoism and racism within a limited frame that allows him to cry foul, when he see’s fit. It sadly displays no historical understanding of what nationalism means, or racism for that matter.

104. lucidculture - 25 April 2007

Well mcat… I am a Kantian after all.

I believe first & foremost that we are the same. We despite are difference, are equal. The institutions that divide us only serve economic forces that subject us. We haven’t evolved much from our beginnings, despite the oucry of the multitude throughout our history as homo sapiens.

We still live within aristocracy.

105. supervixen - 25 April 2007

lucid – he hasn’t even seen the film, nor has he read the review by Kael which he (mis)quotes. He’s simply Googling and pulling quotes that seem to be appropriate.

He’s a gigantic fake. And a boring one, too.

106. bayprairie - 25 April 2007

I still can’t drink whiskey or scotch-such was the trauma then. In fact, for years after, I could not even think of an opened bottle without dry-heaving.

neither gin nor carrot cake.

About the Saint George = Harry Reid brouhaha

i suspect i know what’s lies behind that. that communion wafer was really blotter acid.

107. Sabrina Ballerina - 25 April 2007

Lucid, then you must be thrilled with that article – I used to believe we all originally came from Mars and were very technologically advanced, but probably destroyed the atmosphere causing massive death and destruction but that some of the extremely wealthy escaped to this planet, but had to start all over again. Lol, most of my friends think I’m a little crazy, but who knows?

Btw, maybe you know some of these NY ‘kossacks’ (hate that word). A diary of a meet-up in NYC tonight. I recognize some of the names, Pinche Tejano, NYbri eg and a few others. Lots of photos –


108. marisacat - 25 April 2007

We still live within aristocracy. – lucid

precisely! I absolutely agree…



he has not seen the film?

Good lord. I have not seen it for 15 years or so, and cannot rmember all parts but i have seen it three times.. over the years.

I closed the last thread.

109. lucidculture - 25 April 2007

Yes, I know some of them. I’m on the list & have gone to a number of the NYC thingies. I’m in a different demographic. There are a lot of good people there – most of the originals have also fallen away – in particular the original organizer, a NY single Mom, ardent feminist.

Many of them are also exactly what you would expect – pedant centrist men more concerned about their middle class life than what actually might be going on in the world.

110. jam.fuse - 25 April 2007

Communion by Whitley Striber I found a believable intelligent and scary as hell account of being periodically studied by alien life forms over long spans of the author’s life. Freaked me out. Also a film starring Christopher Walken.

111. marisacat - 25 April 2007


I remember the Walken film of the book. Walken is an actor I so enjoy. NO matter what he is in.

112. jam.fuse - 25 April 2007

#107 The other theory being the souls of the dead Martians reincarnated into life forms on Earth after the destruction of the planet.

113. Sabrina Ballerina - 25 April 2007

Marisa, I love Walken also –

jam.fuse, is there really such a theory? I thought it was just my own wild imagination –

Lucid, you’re probably right, going by what some of those present there post on DK, I agree that they are not exactly the revolutionary types that I believe the country is in dire need of right now.

114. Miss Devore - 25 April 2007

Love Walken, too. Especially in The Deer Hunter.

communion wafer as blotter acid–if only!

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