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The government has completely abandoned us 31 May 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Culture of Death, DC Politics, WAR!.

Haifa Street Baghdad Jan 9, 2007

In case any of the many signals for years were missed.  The name is Lieberman, but it does not matter, nor does the party:


The night before, 30 other soldiers crowded around him with questions for the senator.

He wrote them all down. At the top of his note card was the question he got from nearly every one of his fellow soldiers:

“When are we going to get out of here?”

The rest was a laundry list. When would they have upgraded Humvees that could withstand the armor-penetrating weapons that U.S. officials claim are from Iran? When could they have body armor that was better in hot weather?

Williams missed six months of his girlfriend’s pregnancy when he was given six days’ notice to return to Iraq for his second tour. He also missed his baby boy’s birth. Three weeks ago, he went home and saw his first child.

“He looks just like me,” he said. “I didn’t want to come back. . . .

We’re waiting to get blown up.”

Ah but Lieberman, Clinton, Specter, Levin, Warner, McCain, Reid, Reed, you name the war stooge, they are not ”waiting to get blown up”.  All that matters to them.

Next to him, Spc. Will Hedin, 21, of Chester, Conn., thought about what he was going to say.

“We’re not making any progress,” Hedin said, as he recalled a comrade who was shot by a sniper last week. “It just seems like we drive around and wait to get shot at.”

But as he waited two chairs down from where Lieberman would sit, Hedin said he’d never voice his true feelings to the senator.

“I think I’d be a private if I did,” he joked. “It’s just more troops, more targets.”

NYT magazine, yes, Gerth and Van Atta …

She could have done the reading herself. Senators were able to access the N.I.E. at two secure locations in the Capitol complex. Nonetheless, only six senators personally read the report, according to a 2005 television interview with Senator Jay Rockefeller, Democrat of West Virginia and then the vice chairman of the intelligence panel.

Earlier this year, on the presidential campaign trail in New Hampshire, Clinton was confronted by a woman who had traveled from New York to ask her if she had read the intelligence report. According to Eloise Harper of ABC News, Clinton responded that she had been briefed on it.

“Did you read it?” the woman screamed.

Clinton replied that she had been briefed, though she did not say by whom.

The question of whether Clinton took the time to read the N.I.E. report is critically important. Indeed, one of Clinton’s Democratic colleagues, Bob Graham, the Florida senator who was then the chairman of the intelligence committee, said he voted against the resolution on the war, in part, because he had read the complete N.I.E. report.

Graham said he found that it did not persuade him that Iraq possessed W.M.D. As a result, he listened to Bush’s claims more skeptically. “I was able to apply caveat emptor,” Graham, who has since left the Senate, observed in 2005.

He added regretfully, “Most of my colleagues could not.”

On Tuesday, Oct. 8, 2002, Senate Democrats, including Clinton, held a caucus over lunch on the second floor of the Capitol. There, Graham says he “forcefully” urged his colleagues to read the complete 90-page N.I.E. before casting such a monumental vote.

In her own remarks on the Senate floor on Oct. 10, 2002, Clinton noted the existence of “differing opinions within this body.” Then she went on to offer a lengthy catalog of Saddam Hussein’s crimes.

She cited unnamed “intelligence reports” showing that between 1998 and 2002 “Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile-delivery capability and his nuclear program.”

 Both the public and secret intelligence estimates on Iraq contained such analysis, but the complete N.I.E. report also included other views. A dissent by the State Department’s intelligence arm concluded — correctly, as it turned out — that Iraq was not rebuilding its nuclear program.

Clinton continued, accusing Iraq’s leader of giving “aid, comfort and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members.” This statement fit squarely within the ominous warning she issued the day after Sept. 11.

Not fit to be president.  Not fit to run.

Lieberman in Baghdad:

“I think it’s important we don’t lose our will,” he said. “To pull out would be a disaster.”

The soldiers smiled and greeted him, stood with him for pictures and sat down to a lunch of roast beef and turkey sandwiches. It was unclear if they ever asked their questions.

As Lieberman walked out, he said that congressionally mandated withdrawal would be a “victory for al-Qaida and a victory for Iran.”

And it would be what for America?  What for Israel? (As we know this is a key factor, in selling and assessment.)

A win?

As she explained her vote on the Senate floor, Clinton noted,

 “Perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue, in the White House, watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation.”

It was not a coincidence that Clinton invoked her time in the White House, or her husband’s record. Bill Clinton served as her main counsel on the Iraq war vote, longtime associates of theirs told us. He had much personal experience to offer:   while he was president in 1998, the United States, assisted by Britain, launched more than 400 cruise missiles and flew 650 air attacks against suspected weapons-of-mass-destruction sites in Iraq after Saddam Hussein refused to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors.

“Mark my words, he will develop weapons of mass destruction,” President Clinton had said at the time. “He will deploy them, and he will use them.”

None of them is fit.  Not in my view.  We have been sold out, scammed, lectured, pontificated at, lied to, expected to accept smarmy political apologies, political equivocations, told MORE LIES –

and we have been forgotten. 

They call us to patriotism, values, religion, family (theirs not ours, we are asked to attend at their illnesses – while single payer is verboten, by THEM ALL).   Respect, civility, obedience even, they use all of that to call us to VOTE.

For them.


UPDATE, 1:57 pm

This was part of a commencement speech Mark Danner gave recently to the Dept of Rhetoric at UC Berkeley:

“We were asked to send the next of kin to whom the remains of my nephew, killed on Monday in a horrific explosion downtown, can be handed over…”So we went, his mum, his other aunt and I…

“When we got there, we were given his remains. And remains they were. From the waist down was all they could give us. ‘We identified him by the cell phone in his pants’ pocket. If you want the rest, you will just have to look for yourselves. We don’t know what he looks like.’

“…We were led away, and before long a foul stench clogged my nose and I retched. With no more warning we came to a clearing that was probably an inside garden at one time; all round it were patios and rooms with large-pane windows to catch the evening breeze Baghdad is renowned for. But now it had become a slaughterhouse, only instead of cattle, all around were human bodies. On this side; complete bodies; on that side halves; and everywhere body parts.

“We were asked what we were looking for; ‘upper half’ replied my companion, for I was rendered speechless. ‘Over there.’ We looked for our boy’s broken body between tens of other boys’ remains; with our bare hands sifting them and turning them.

“Millennia later we found him, took both parts home, and began the mourning ceremony.”

     morgue baghdad march 2007 

2:18 pm:

I am just hearing on K-CBS News that Odierno is saying

 there “may  not be a surge assessment available in September”.

What a shock…

Boxer is saying, according to the report, that the Democrats “expected one”.

Well, stop lying to us and stop presenting yourselves as suckers.




1. wozzle - 31 May 2007

Mcat, the above represents some of your best stuff. Powerful.

2. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2007
3. wozzle - 31 May 2007

And this is f’n unbelievable.

4. supervixen - 31 May 2007

Exactly right. They only remember us when they want us to open their wallets and send them money.

As you said in the t-shirt slogan: “Send Money and SYFPH”

5. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 May 2007

Marisacat, thanks for posting that information regarding Hillary Clinton’s refusal to look at the classified NIE. I am amazed that it has not received more attention. I remember the incident with the woman who asked her about it a few months ago. It was then that I read Sen. Graham’s statement about the classified NIE that so few of them bothered to read.

This alone disqualifies her from running for president and any of the others who voted for the AUMF, which includes Edwards and Kerry. They too had access to it. It is literally criminal that they refused to access critical information that was made available to them when considering whether or not this country should go to war. All should be eliminated from this race.

All the excuses, ‘Bush fooled us’ or ‘if I knew then what I know now’ are flat-out lies. I always wondered how they could have trusted Bush. It didn’t make sense. We seemed to know more than they claimed to know.

It wasn’t until Sen. Graham’s statement became public that it all became clear – they were all on board for this war and they deliberately fooled the American people. They allowed Bush to be the fall guy, allowed the people to vent their anger at him, while they played victim. He apparently was part of the game.

Looking back, there was simply no way to stop this war. They were laughing at the American people. But they are worse than Bush, imo. Because they lied to get themselves elected, they sought the support of people who were completely opposed to what they had endorsed, and pretended they were innocent. Way worse than Bush -who at least did not hide his disdain for the American people who opposed him.

Unfuckingbelievable doesn’t even begin to express the outrage we have to right to feel. It took a citizen to bring it up to her face. Our useless media no doubt knew all along also.

I don’t know why we even bother with elections anymore. Apparently all is decided way in advance and the process is simply to generate money and keep the illusion that we are still a democracy. I see no point in voting.

6. supervixen - 31 May 2007

catnip: LOL, George Will:

Conservatism is realism, about human nature and government’s competence.

Ah, the “Conservatism is realism” claim. A rightwinger told me this the other day: “Be realistic! Liberals aren’t realistic! They want the world to fit their fantasies – they don’t look at the evidence!” He then went on to say that Muslims were all murderers (“it’s part of their religion”) and cut people’s hands and heads off on a regular basis, and all they understand is force, so we should nuke them – that would make the situation much better.

That’s realism, he thinks.

7. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 May 2007

‘Send money and stfu’ – great slogan for DK.

SV, that conversation with McJoan was funny ….

Bhhm, thanks for the links …

Re the suicide at Guantanamo Bay, when is that blight on humanity going to be shut down? It is horrific.

8. jam.fuse - 31 May 2007

re #99 last thread — supervixen

Strangely enough, I am also descended from John Howland on my mother’s side. Sad to say we are both related to the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. in DC. Also R. W. Emerson, Longfellow, H. Bogart and FDR.

How about

Orange you gonna send us money and STFU?

9. BooHooHooMan - 31 May 2007

Marisacat: Truly awesome provacative post:

“We’re waiting to get blown up.”


10. marisacat - 31 May 2007


The woman who screawmed at her ws removed. The audience APPLAUDED Hillary. You know, to buck her up after going thru so much. The woman had traveled across a couple states iirc, to reach the rally or townhall or whatever it was…

It was reported on at the time, but I never managed to see film of it. It must exist however.

11. marisacat - 31 May 2007

oH meant to add…

In the past few days I have read one of her excuses over the past months, weeks… that in 2002 she was not yet on the Armed Services Committee and thsu had no one “on staff with the clearance to read the NIE”.

I have decided all she read, if that, was a canned summary. LIKE BUSH and the August 6 PDB I would bet money there was no “briefing”. She probably uses that meeting on the 8th as a “briefing”.

Jesus fuck. Right up there with her oleaginous smarm: “I voted to keep the UN inspectors in there” and “I advocated” [but did not vote for, ie Levin amd] “diplomacy”.

And but for his oily as hell apology (sorry I don’t buy it never did, if he gave a shit he’d have gone to the Intell Committee meetings, which he did half, barely, of the time) Edwards is in the same barrel.

they all are. a barrel over Niagra Falls.

12. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 May 2007

Marisacat, yes, I remember that she was removed. Gawd forbid anyone should inject a little truth into the process of electing a president.

Bhhm, I just checked that blogger link from the last thread. All those photos of ‘kossacks’ at yrly kos! I now have faces to put with the screen names. Interesting to see some who promote themselves the most on dk, as ‘desirable’ shall we say, well, I expected more, is all I can say … Lol! Sometimes it’s best not to raise expectations, not that any of it should matter, but when you choose to make it matter, better be able to deliver, imo.

Bhhm, I agree – one of her best although there are so many. I cannot believe the evil of people like Lieberman. We know that HIS precious kids will never be ‘waiting to get blown up’.

It’s all so depressing, so sad and so hopeless – so much blood and heartache. The effects will last for generations. And all they worry about is their stupid, political careers. They should be ready to quit in order to stop this madness.

13. marisacat - 31 May 2007

LOL When Lieberman ran in 03/4 one of his daughters who would campaing with him was working on HAVA, Help America Vote Act.

Not exactly getting shot at, and frankly rolling back democracy from what I saw of HAVA. it was like the Violence Agaisnt Women act, feel good. Like the gas gouging bill that AAR was pushing every other minute end of last week.

As if anything but the war matters, it infects everything.

14. Marie - 31 May 2007

Of course Bill advised her on her IWR vote. Regeim change in Iraq was his policy for eight years — and poppy’s before Bill’s. (Scott Ritter’s “Iraq Confidential (one of the most poorly crafted and written books I’ve ever read cover to cover) is very illuminating no this point.)

Everybody must read “Blowback” — Chalmers Johnson. Puts all the pieces together brilliantly. Devasting critique of where we’ve been and where we’re going — the Clinton gang is right in there with the Bush gang.

15. supervixen - 31 May 2007

SB: Interesting to see some who promote themselves the most on dk, as ‘desirable’ shall we say, well, I expected more, is all I can say … Lol!

Yikes! I had to look (missed it the first time). I see what you mean.

But of course the people who talk about themselves in such flattering terms usually aren’t “all that”. That goes for political “bloggers on the national scene” as much as for Little Sisters in uber-sexy boots.

Poseurs and phonies, the lot of them.

16. marisacat - 31 May 2007

I am just catching up here (so this is likely old news)… on The News Hour, the reason the Chinook only took 7 lives in Afghanistan, is that it had just dropped off an assault unit.

Who of course killed others.

Round and round we go. Madness.


Just got this from FAIR, a really good look at the Ron Paul commentary, then back and forth with Guiliani in the debate.

the close:

When Paul convened a press conference on May 24 at the National Press Club featuring former CIA terrorism expert Michael Scheurer, the press ignored the event, although reporters have interviewed Scheurer regularly for several years. The fact that Scheurer essentially agrees with Paul’s premise, as he explained to AntiWar radio (5/18/07), might explain the media’s ambivalence.

CNN host Howard Kurtz (5/20/07) slammed Paul’s “unorthodox theory” about the 9/11 attacks, declaring that “news organizations are allowing ego-driven fringe candidates to muck up debates among those with an actual shot at the White House.”

The real problem isn’t that Ron Paul can’t win the White House, or that he might “muck up” a debate; if anything, he started a debate the media don’t want to have.

17. marisacat - 31 May 2007


I should go look at the photo.

18. BooHooHooMan - 31 May 2007

SB #12 one of her best although there are so many
So true indeed.

Marisacat could quite capably run a War Correspondents Operation under fire.

A bitter prospect I’m sure, given that mcat would prefer stopping the Pentagon in its tracks and obviate the need for such journalism. Ever.

19. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 May 2007

Lol, SV, I think it’s best to let others be the judge of what one has to offer, that is if it’s important at all. As I said, not that it matters, but they insist it does, so expectations were certainly higher. But these blahgers either really believe their own promos or don’t think ahead when they’re hitting the keyboard in the middle of the night after a few beers! So yes, they aren’t all that they claimed to be imho …

They all have a very bad habit of making declarations and expecting others to simply accept them. I suppose the fact that most intelligent people think for themselves and more often than not, do not agree with them, accounts for the temper tantrums we see from many of them on dk. What I do know is that people who are impressive, rarely have the need to tell you how impressive they are. 🙂

Marisacat, thanks for the info on Lieberman’s daughter. Didn’t think any of them would be in a uniform. Speaking of that, I think we might want to call Joe and remind him that the troops asked for protective gear because I’m sure he will not give that another thought.

And from what I read today, they will never get what they need because of contracts to manufacture new war products. Apparently the twisted thinking is that if they send what is needed, it might jeopardize the claims that new products are necessary. So much for supporting the troops.

20. Revisionist - 31 May 2007

Tucker did the first 1/2 of his show today on hillary and NIE.. excuse me, the BRILLANT Gentlewoman from New York, the honorable Mrs. Hillary Clinton.

21. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 May 2007

That’s good news, Revisionist – much as I despise Tucker, she and all those who voted for this war should have to answer for what they did and if they deliberately avoided evidence that would have made the war unnecessary, they should be disqualified from running for any office in the future. What a betrayal of the public trust that is.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they start smearing Graham now.


Apparently, according to reports, Bush completely lost it recently, in front of witnesses. If true, then there is only one course of action that can stop the madness, and that is impeachment. However, that solution didn’t occur to McJoan apparently, I wonder why?

by mcjoan
Thu May 31, 2007 at 01:18:27 PM PDT
As usual, Digby finds it:

Friends of his from Texas were shocked recently to find him nearly wild-eyed, thumping himself on the chest three times while he repeated “I am the president!” He also made it clear he was setting Iraq up so his successor could not get out of “our country’s destiny.”

The only way out of Iraq is to force him out of Iraq, take the keys away, and stop his allowance.

Lol, like that would work, since there is no will to do it as we have seen. The only way out of Iraq is to impeach all of them, Bush, Cheney, Gonzales and anyone else who lied to the American people. But for some incredible reason, Impeachment is ‘off the table’!

22. louisianagirl - 31 May 2007

so what does everyone think of the xenophobic title of virginiadem’s diary on jérôme à paris’s assessment of obama’s flawed foreign policy? a bit much, no? especially when she uses xenophobic language in her defense of a flawed foreign policy.

23. marisacat - 31 May 2007

LOL I have a feeling louisianagirl AKA pointecoupeedemocrat is landing here as she is spamming urls she picked up for her files.

She keeps it up, I will cut her off.


Marie, yeah this is not news nor presented as such.

Bill and Hillary supported the war fully. That was clear then.

They wanted war, imo, wide war, war with Iraq in 98. Certainly Cohen, Berger and Albright wanted it, that means the Bilious Twins did as well.

Bill did his war supporting (hell war selling) opinion pieces in the UK press. In spring of 2003. They were disgusting.

Later a “support my bud Blair” opinion piece, as shit rose to the top.

SO scammed.

So called liberal blogs have loved to push this or that from the Bernstein and Gerth/Van Atta books.

Who cares anymore. All I want is wide dissemination for the bile they (that would be the Clintons) constantly vomit.

Horrible people and I surely did not vote for bill in 96.

24. BooHooHooMan - 31 May 2007

Oh pass the fucking popcorn I’ve never been in a strip joint.

25. supervixen - 31 May 2007

I should go look at the photo.

Well, it’s nothing hideous. But it’s a little surprising. Though not really. Anyone who must tell everyone about all the pickup lines she’s heard is trying to put up a good front.

Re: the Clintons: I’m heartily sick of both of them. As Ringo said of the Royal Family – they should take a long vacation and never come back.

26. supervixen - 31 May 2007

BHHM: Oh pass the fucking popcorn I’ve never been in a strip joint.

It all reminds me of Flashdance: Political Blogger By Day – Stripper By Night! What a turn-on.

27. marisacat - 31 May 2007

political operative by day…

28. AlanSmithee - 31 May 2007

Brava, Mcat. Just…brava.

29. wozzle - 31 May 2007

BHHM, I’ve never been in a strip joint.
By all means, go. Very instructive, especially in NJ and SC (the carnie strippers in SC are amazing; they do Evangelist Stripping!).

30. marisacat - 31 May 2007

well I saw Carol Doda years ago.

Once, a long long time ago there was still an old burlesque joint out in the Mission, on 16th iirc. Big double doors with heavy velvet drapes. A stage and strippers, long gone by now I am sure…

but never a modern strip joint.

31. Kevin Lynch - 31 May 2007

Most strip clubs around here (all in Illinois, as the RC church frowns upon such things here in the Lou) are staffed with college students. Friendly young women who use their youthful charms to further their educations.

Not that I’d know that from personal experience *cough cough*


32. VAGreen - 31 May 2007

‘CNN host Howard Kurtz (5/20/07) slammed Paul’s “unorthodox theory” about the 9/11 attacks, declaring that “news organizations are allowing ego-driven fringe candidates to muck up debates among those with an actual shot at the White House.”’

There was a certain P. Wolfowitz who argued that U.S. forces stationed in Saudi Arabia had “been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly government. It’s been a huge recruiting device for al Qaeda. In fact if you look at bin Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so-called crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina.” Does anyone know who this Wolfowitz character might be?

It shows just how debased our political discourse has become when those who are doing well in the polls have a monopoly on good motives for running. Today’s media would have rooted for Goliath.

First it was the Washington Post, then USA Today, and now a host on CNN: There are just too many candidates in the race for us. Only the candidates that we think have a chance of winning should be allowed to debate or to get media coverage. You little people shall have two, exactly two, and only two political parties to choose from, and you shall be allowed to choose from the following candidates in the primaries:

Democrats: Clinton, Obama, and Edwards. We might allow the strongest of the other five to get some coverage, but don’t bet the farm on it.

Republicans: Giuliani, McCain, Romney, and Thompson.

33. wozzle - 31 May 2007


When I was a freshman in college (B’more, 1970) I had a friend whose father had been a vaudeville comedian. He knew every operator from Bahston to Miami Beach. In B’more it was the 2 O’Clock Club managed by a very famous stripper, Blaze Starr, an absolutely stunning woman (this in her 70s) who had been the mistress (read- power broker) of Huey Long. She would greet us as long lost friends, seat us at the bald headed table (usually reserved for the elderly rich) and have her girls serve us (non-alcoholic) bevvages. After an hour we had to leave. We loved her, and she enjoyed our company. One of the greatest failures of my youth was to get Ms. Starr to come to a JHU lacrosse game as my guest – she said she had other commitments.

BTW, my friend/fraternity brother became a comedian named Jeff Altman (of “Pink Lady and Jeff” infamy, ABC, early 80s) and is still, I believe, working the East Coast.

34. marisacat - 31 May 2007

well if Bloomberg and/or Hagel enter as Ind. It blows something up. I am not sure what, but something gets blown up.

It moves a range of people, if they can graft on (and I would never vote for either) to run as Ind.

Obviously Bloomberg money, the sheer volume, is an uncommon aspect… but he won’t be the only one.

Whole thing reminds me of the Derby this year, with 19 horses, why watch. So crowded.


My local news jsut reported that the TB patient, his FIL is a TB specialist at… guess where, the CDC.

Boy that story had silent chapters from minute one, as new wrinkle new wrinkle new wrinkle would roll out.

35. wozzle - 31 May 2007

Kevin, there is much to be said about personal experience, especially that of the true variety. Spill yer gutz and we’ll compare notes.

36. wozzle - 31 May 2007

Mcat, #3. As I said, f’n oon beeliffable..

37. marisacat - 31 May 2007

ooo I remember Blaze Starr… what a great story! wozzle

38. Kevin Lynch - 31 May 2007

MCat, wozzle

I’ve never met (or seen) a celebrity stripper. Both of you are a step ahead of me on that score. Basically it’s just a matter of demographics. There are a buttload of colleges and Universities in the area. With tuition being what it is, money has to be gotten somehow. The young women are usually attending Southern Illinois Edwardsville or St Louis U (a Jesuit institution, ironically). They’re pretty comfortable with the job, seeing as how they know it’ll only be for a short duration and not a career. Recent Russian and Ukrainian immigrants will pass through until their english language skills improve. Those exotic good looks make them a lot of money! Stunning, tall, and blond is always in demand even if communication is problematical.

It’s a place holding job, good money until education lets them do the same with their clothes on


39. Miss Devore - 31 May 2007

playing catch-up…..

read Graham’s “Intelligence Matters” a couple (?) years back. After that, was disappointed he dropped out early in the prez race (of ’04). There was no excuse not to read the NIE in full. Graham must have felt like someone who hung a jury.

What matters when the prez is beating his chest–will he brachiate thru the jungle he’s created?

Don’t know what to do next.

All the prez candidates suck. The only thing I can imagine as being a barely acceptable lesser of evils is that someone defeats Hillary for the Dem nom. Preferably Obama, as it would give a teaspoon of hope. But the latter’s stuff is not inspiring, policy-wise.

Gore is impossible. Print the t-shirts saying: “Gore: Because We Want to See Him giving Up Twice”

anyway, that’s my blather.

As to stripping for college money-there’s a young woman I adore and admire, who has done it. I wish she had better opportunities. Her dream is to open a group home for the deaf. She just turned 21 this year.

40. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 May 2007

Scott Ritter:

… impeachment alone is simply a measure which addresses the symptoms of a larger malaise that has stricken America. The arrogance associated with the concept of the unitary executive is prevalent throughout mainstream American political life. The passivity of the legislative branch is one byproduct of the dominance of the unitary executive. It is also an indicator that the will of the people, as expressed through their election of the people’s representatives to the Congress of the United States, no longer has the weight and bearing long associated with the American democratic experience.

Any effort to impeach Bush and any of his administration found to be engaged in activities classifiable as “high crimes and misdemeanors” would fail to rein in the unitary executive core of any successor. One only has to listen to the rhetoric of the Democratic candidates for president to understand that this trend is as deeply rooted among them as it is with President Bush. Americans today look for leaders without recognizing the absolute necessity of electing team players. The Founding Fathers deliberately designed the executive branch to be strong and independent, but also made sure, through an elaborate system of checks and balances, that it operated merely as one of three separate but equal branches of government.

The “in your face” efforts of the Bush administration to minimize the role of Congress and to achieve political control of the judiciary are simply more public manifestations of trends that occurred in a more quiet fashion in past administrations, Republican and Democratic alike. When America elects a leader who states clearly that he or she will work with their equal partners in governance, the Congress, for the good of the country, and who will acknowledge the supremacy of law set forth in the form of binding legislation passed by the will of Congress void of any limiting or contradicting “presidential signing statement,” then we will finally have a leader who is truly worthy of the title “President of the United States of America.”

But this will not happen of its own volition. The impeachment of President Bush would not in and of itself terminate executive unilateralism. It would only limit its implementation on the most visible periphery, driving its destructive designs back into the shadows of government, away from the public eye, and as such, public accountability. Impeach President Bush, yes, if in fact he can be charged with the commission of acts which meet the constitutional standard for impeachment (and I believe he could, if Congress only had the will to do its job). But to truly heal America, we must repudiate everything President Bush stands for, in terms of not only public and foreign policy, but also in terms of his style of governance, since the former is derived from the latter.

Repudiation is a strong term, defined as “rejecting as having no authority or binding force,” to “cast off or disown,” or to “reject with disapproval or condemnation.” In my opinion, the complete repudiation of the presidency of George W. Bush is the only recourse we have collectively as a people to not only seek redress for the wrongs committed by the Bush administration, but also to purge society of this cancer that threatens to consume and destroy us as a whole, and which would continue to manifest itself in our system of governance even after any impeachment proceedings.

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 May 2007

Ritter continues:

While I reject violence as a means of redressing social wrongs, especially when applied to issues of governance, and instead rely on the rule of law as manifested by the Constitution and those legitimate bodies empowered by the Constitution to remedy every situation, I cannot help but fear the moment when the foundation of legitimacy which defines who we are and what we are as a nation fades away into irrelevance amidst a sea of complacency and ignorance. (TOO LATE … ) There is no greater breeding ground for the forces of tyranny than the surrender of civic responsibility on the part of those entrusted with the defense of liberty. And in this I do not mean the Congress of the United States, but rather the people of the United States, the duly elected representatives of whom constitute the Congress.

I fear not the bloody rebellion of an outraged citizenry, but rather the passive submission of a shameful mass which betrays the cause of liberty and freedom through the abandonment of the Constitution, and the obligations of citizenship derived thereof, in favor of the narcotic of consumerism. Such a mass, foreswearing blind obedience to those who profess how to best construct a cocoon that immerses the occupant in transitory comfort, is the most pressing problem facing America today. In a nation whose defining document begins, “We the People,” I find that it is we the people who constitute the greatest threat to the future of America. It is not through the force of our actions, but rather the vacuum created by our inaction and apathy, a vacuum all too readily filled by those who would have us exchange our hard-fought freedoms for a gilded cage of market-driven consumerism.

This is the main reason why I am not a proponent of the ‘impeach now’ mentality so prevalent in political circles that oppose George W. Bush. The expediency of impeachment simply replaces one source of tyranny (President Bush) with another (whomever replaces him). It is not the failures of an individual that have gotten us to where we are today, but rather the failure of the collective. So before we speak of impeachment and the notion of executive accountability, I would like to address the issue of repudiation and the necessity of civic responsibility.

Well, I think it will take the breakdown and violence and blood in the streets, but I have little faith in people. I think we’ve been that mass of indifference for years, hateful and judgemental … and we’ve made our bed, and the whole world will force us to lie (lay? … I never can remember that rule) in it.

42. jam.fuse - 31 May 2007

Net taxes could arrive by this fall

By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: May 23, 2007, 10:10 PM PDT
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The era of tax-free e-mail, Internet shopping and broadband connections could end this fall, if recent proposals in the U.S. Congress prove successful.

State and local governments this week resumed a push to lobby Congress for far-reaching changes on two different fronts: gaining the ability to impose sales taxes on Net shopping, and being able to levy new monthly taxes on DSL and other connections. One senator is even predicting taxes on e-mail.

At the moment, states and municipalities are frequently barred by federal law from collecting both access and sales taxes. But they’re hoping that their new lobbying effort, coordinated by groups including the National Governors Association, will pay off by permitting them to collect billions of dollars in new revenue by next year.

If that doesn’t happen, other taxes may zoom upward instead, warned Sen. Michael Enzi, a Wyoming Republican, at a Senate hearing on Wednesday. “Are we implicitly blessing a situation where states are forced to raise other taxes, such as income or property taxes, to offset the growing loss of sales tax revenue?” Enzi said. “I want to avoid that.”

43. jam.fuse - 31 May 2007

Man Eats Dog To Protest Animal Cruelty

British Artist Eats Meat From Queen’s Favorite Breed Of Dog

LONDON — A British performance artist has eaten part of a corgi — the breed of dog that is the favorite pet of Queen Elizabeth II – to protest the alleged mistreatment of animals by the royal family.’

Mark McGowan set up a table on a London street Tuesday and dined on what he said was the meat from a corgi in hopes of drawing attention to media reports that Prince Philip, the queen’s husband, had beaten a fox to death during a hunt.

McGowan said the corgi he consumed had died recently at a breeding farm and had not been killed for the purposes of the protest. He did not say how the dog had died.
“I ate three lumps of it. But I spat two of them out, so I really ate one and a half of them,” McGowan said.

The queen has several corgis, and they have the run of Buckingham Palace — even in the middle of formal state events.

44. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 May 2007
45. missdevore - 31 May 2007

hey jam.fuse–I posted that yesterday, when love was such an easy game to play.

46. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 May 2007

The city of Revere and the REAL Minutemen is now a a seething nest of pathetic cowards and nervous nellies.

47. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 May 2007

She was, of course, the church organist, until they fired her, of course:

A Catholic priest has removed his church’s organist and choir director from her duties saying her sale of sex toys was not “consistent with Church teachings.”

Linette Servais, 50, played the organ and sung with the choir for 35 years. Much of her work as choir director and organist was done without pay. When her parish priest asked to meet with her, she thought it was to say thank you.

Instead, she was told to quit her sales job with company known as Pure Romance or she would lose her position in the church.

Pure Romance in Loveland, Ohio, is a $60 million per year business that sells spa products and sex toys at homes parties attended by women. It has 15,000 consultants like Servais.

She said her decision was not hard: She began working with Pure Romance after a brain tumor and treatment left her sexually dysfunctional. The job allows her to help other women who have similar problems.

“After I got over the initial shock, I prayed over this a long time,” she said. “I feel that Pure Romance is my ministry.”

The Rev. Dean Dombroski felt differently, removing her from the choir loft just before Thanksgiving and gradually taking away other church duties. Servais can no longer take pictures during First Communion services or lead the committee planning St. Joseph’s annual late-summer picnic.

Christ must be so proud … or He would be, if he was real.

48. jam.fuse - 31 May 2007

44 — oops

so you did miss d — now I need a place to hide away

49. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2007

hauntingly beautiful

Wow. That was definitely interesting! Thanks for posting it.

And mcat, I didn’t know that about Hillary not reading the NIE. What can one say? They are so eager to send their fellow citizens to be killed in the name of stunning ignorance. It really is inhumane – and that’s not a strong enough word for it.

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 May 2007

what is there left to say?

Fort Lewis, which this month has suffered its worst losses of the war, will no longer conduct individual memorial ceremonies for soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Instead, the post will hold one ceremony for all soldiers killed each month, the Fort Lewis acting commanding general, Brig. Gen. William Troy, wrote in a memo to commanders and staff last week.

“As much as we would like to think otherwise, I am afraid that with the number of soldiers we now have in harm’s way, our losses will preclude us from continuing to do individual memorial ceremonies,” Troy wrote in the memo, according to a copy obtained by United for Peace Pierce County and posted on the group’s Web site. A post spokesman confirmed the policy change Tuesday. It will start in June.

Of course, no one in this country is mourning the countless dead civilians in Iraq.

51. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 May 2007

catnip, finding links to stuff like that is one of the best things about the interweb.

Culture thrives when it can morph and feed off itself.

52. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2007

(Montgomery, Ala.) — Gov. Bob Riley signed a resolution Thursday expressing “profound regret” for Alabama’s role in slavery and apologizing for slavery’s wrongs and lingering effects.
“Slavery was evil and is a part of American history,” the Republican governor said. “I believe all Alabamians are proud of the tremendous progress we have made and continue to make.”

Alabama is the fourth Southern state to pass a slavery apology, following votes by the legislatures in Maryland, Virginia and North Carolina. Alabama’s Democrat-controlled Legislature approved the resolution last week.

Always, always, always far too little, far too late…

53. jam.fuse - 31 May 2007

They are so eager to send their fellow citizens to be killed in the name of stunning ignorance. It really is inhumane – and that’s not a strong enough word for it. — liberal catnip

atrocious, barbarous, bestial, bitter, bloodthirsty, brutal, brutish, callous, cold-blooded, degenerate, demoniac, depraved, evil, hard-hearted, harsh, hateful, heartless, hellish, inhuman, inhumane, malevolent, merciless, monstrous, pernicious, rancorous, relentless, revengeful, ruthless, sadistic, sinful, spiteful, tyrannical, unfeeling, unkind, unnatural, unrelenting, vengeful, vicious, virulent, wicked

there are no words left for these whatever-you-want-to-call-’ems

political whores

54. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2007

catnip, finding links to stuff like that is one of the best things about the interweb.

Absolutely. I need to remind myself now and then to stray off my beaten and far too familiar internets path. There’s an entire world out there. As cliche as that is, it’s certainly true.

I remember when I first surfed the tubes back in ’93. After following a few links, I suddenly felt horribly lost and thought (in my linear-obsessed mind) that I’d never be able to find the site I’d started on again. I was a bit panic-stricken. 🙂

55. jam.fuse - 31 May 2007

strip clubs are all about transfering money from your pocket to theirs — so make sure to take as many one dollar bills as possible to look like a big spender…

56. colleen - 31 May 2007

LOL I have a feeling louisianagirl AKA pointecoupeedemocrat is landing here as she is spamming urls she picked up for her files.

I don’t know what she is doing but would prefer she do it elsewhere.

57. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 May 2007

thanks to moiv for emailing the links to me, two wonderful diaries over at the Orange Place (and out of character, sadly):

My Moral Choice

Why I Provide Abortions

Two good men, freedom fighters in any real meaning of the phrase.

58. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 May 2007

why the War on Terror is nothing more than winger agitprop, and not anything real.

59. missdevore - 31 May 2007

I wish I could stay awake…..up at 4 AM today. night.

60. jam.fuse - 31 May 2007

nighty night miss d

‘Always be ready to speak your mind and a base man will avoid you’

William Blake

61. marisacat - 31 May 2007

Madman and


out of moderation.


off to check Spam. No doubt someone is in there!

62. marisacat - 31 May 2007

Ugh Alabama…

How you apologise for slavery is make a better nation.

63. marisacat - 31 May 2007

No liguids in the mouth.

CA Nurses manage to define Hillary (and her newest health care debaucle):

Hillary Clinton, of course, should know better. HillaryCare I was a Rude Goldberg-like travesty premised on the idea of creating an incredibly complicated scheme in order to carve out a safe zone for insurance industry profits.

Clinton announced last week that she plans on making many of the same mistakes.

Well not explicity, but her healthcare program is so complicated that she can’t even announce it in one speech.

It’s hacked into three parts, and appears to be a laundry list of new regulations—rather than an easy-to-understand and elegant approach (say—”modernize Medicare and extend it to all Americans,” or, “work with doctors and hospitals to replace all the insurance companies with a single, non-profit fund that covers all Americans. You pick your own doctor—and they are paid to provide care, not deny it.”)

it’s a diary over at OrangeRote

All you can do is laugh… she did it once, she is doing it again. LOL

64. marisacat - 31 May 2007

Think Madman linked upthread…

but Dr harrison’s diary over at OrangeRote is a Great One.

jacinto tries, but gets nowhere.

65. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 May 2007

‘night, Miss D. sleep well Why she had to go I don’t know, she wouldn’t say and I do remember your corgi post yesterday! Lol! Nice comeback from Jam.fuse – now you have me trying to remember all the words of that song ….

66. marisacat - 31 May 2007

Miss Devore…

🙂 early to bed early to rise early to comment…

Corgi a l’orange? Corgi in a reduction sauce with sautee’d mushrooms?

They don’t look tasty, not yesterday and not today.

I must say he picked a pointed protest!

67. lucidculture - 31 May 2007

I didn’t go to a strip club until I was 22 – never really had much interest. But when I first arrived in Manhattan, I went to the Met with a couple of college buddies, and we were really fascinated by the 19th century decorative sculpture – the little figurines – particularly the whole ‘Lida and the Swan’ series in which the sculptors actually bothered to put detailed labia on pieces that were all of 8 inches tall. So we decided to have a ‘high culture/low culture’ day. After dinner, we trekked down to 8th Ave and 42nd street [when it was still in its original splendor]. We hit the porn shops looking for European porn [always better]. We went to some peep shows [I was naive enough to wonder why there was someone hanging around with a mop]. And we went to a strip club.

Since that time I’ve been in a few. I always liked Billy’s Topless, but that got closed down by Rudy. My band also played several times at the Pussycat Lounge. I think my favorite stripper experience though was completely unexpected. One Valentine’s Day at Motor City Bar [which an old singer of mine helped build], they closed the window doors at 1am & proceeded to turn the bar into a ‘strip joint’. Nothing like non-stripper Lower East Side women having some fun dancing and taking off their clothes on top of the bar – and unlike the ‘strip’ joints in the rest of the city, they did the Full Monty.

68. lucidculture - 31 May 2007

Mcat – LA Girl is definitely spamming. I’d cut her off.

SB – “when they’re hitting the keyboard in the middle of the night after a few beers!”

Should I stop drunk posting? I know sometimes in the morning, I can be embarassed by some of the things I’ve written… If anyone is offended by anything I’ve said when my senses aren’t quite with me, please let me know.

69. marisacat - 31 May 2007

oh lucid

what great stories…

Speaking of 8th and 42nd… I was very lucky my mother when I was little would take me into to Manhattan for a couple of weeks when little, when we visited in NJ… but later, quite early on, she let me go in by myself. Take the bus from Princeton to the west side, then I would walk across 42nd to 5th.

I was always a great walker, 40, 50 blocks is nothing to me (more than once I walked from the base of 5th – I loved the old Fifth Avenue Hotel, at 5 Fifth iirc – to past Central Park into Harlem)… and now that it is gone, Disneyfied, Guilianiterminated.. so glad.

70. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2007

#53. Yup. Those words would do it – all together, multiplied by a thousand.

Btw, I doubt that’s Dances With Poles. Whoever wrote those comments isn’t paranoid enough (or whining).

71. marisacat - 31 May 2007

oh post just as you like lucid…

I don’t want anyone lying in bed fretting over what they posted in error or when distressed, if people let me know pretty soon, I will delete.

Only then… quick and have done it for people twice.


Yeah she is spamming. Which is hilarious, as I have told meteor and msoc and nonpartisan and Booman I consider them spammers..

what a hoot!

She is on moderation, will jsut not release any future posts..

72. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2007

I’m depressed. If only I could crochet happiness…

73. marisacat - 31 May 2007

well think of this you could be a wannabe pole dancer, soft lousy erotica blurb writer, paid operative agaisnt Obama.

LOL I have nto figured out which camp pays her, but someobody does.

So catnip, how are the cats?

74. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2007

Scheuer has an article about Ron Paul at antiwar.com.

In the Republican debate in South Carolina, Dr. Paul had the unmitigated gall to tell his fellow candidates the exact truth: America was attacked by Islamists on 9/11, and untold other times since Osama bin Laden declared war on us in 1996, because of the United States government’s foreign policies and their impact in the Muslim world over the last thirty-five years. Dr. Paul then consigned to history’s trashcan the motivations assigned to bin Laden and his ilk by the Bush and Clinton administrations; the nine other Republican candidates; the eight please-don’t-ask-us-about-what-Ron-Paul-said Democratic presidential candidates; most of the media; and the think tanks, left, center, and right. Quite correctly, Rep. Paul deep-sixed – hopefully forever – the idea that our Islamist enemies are attacking us because of our freedoms, liberties, elections, freedom of speech, and gender equality.

In response to Rep. Paul, Rudy Giuliani – is there a more unctuous, ill-informed, and arrogant man in American politics? – dismissed the idea that we were attacked for being “over there” as, in his opinion, “absurd.” Giuliani added that he had never before heard such an analysis, demanded Dr. Paul retract his words, and clearly implied that Dr. Paul was unpatriotic. In other words, Giuliani applied the usual crude denigration reserved for any American citizen who dares question the establishment’s self-serving interventionism.

Sadly for Americans, Giuliani probably was telling the truth, both for himself and the American governing elite. None of the elite’s denizens appear to have heard, read, or even sensed anything that runs counter to the Muslims-hate-us-for-our-freedoms dictum that became revealed scripture on 9/11 and which, in truth, has governed the elite’s perceptions of and actions in the Muslim world for decades. Dr. Paul is right, our governing elite are obsessed with searching abroad for dragons to destroy, especially Islamic dragons; they thereby ignore the Founders’ clear warning that such activity all but assures the ruin of our republic.

I also read Jerome a Paris’ diary about Obama’s foreign policy and noticed a lot of denial in the comments (surprise!), along with too many people standing on the American exceptionalism bandwagon while pretending that Obama is still somehow different than the rest of the bunch who want nothing more than to have the US rule the world – militarily, politically, morally, financially etc etc.

Jerome was right when he pointed out that we furriners have our own interests as well and that they’re not all defined by whoever sits in the WH on their throne. It’s the same attitude current US politicians spout about Iraqis: they’re so damn ungrateful – look at all we’ve done for them.

And in Iraq, it’ll be on the backs of the dead – again – as Scheuer points out:

Soon after the debate, the bone-deep interventionism of both parties focused on by Rep. Paul was underscored for Americans by the spending bill for the Iraq war passed by Congress and signed by President Bush. The bill allowed the intervention in Iraq to continue until at least September and showed there is no real difference between the two parties; the Republicans want to continue pursuing the military option, while the Democrats argue the military option has failed and there must now be a U.S.-dominated political solution. Neither party wants to leave Iraq; each just has its own view of how the intervention should be managed. And they cynically have stage-managed the next three months so that each will have ammunition – in the form of dead U.S. military personnel – to support their agendas when the next Iraq spending bill is debated. The Republicans will argue that the “surge” has been costly in lives but is succeeding and cannot be given up; the Democrats will argue the surge has failed and the high number of U.S. dead show that we must find a political settlement.

It’s all just a fucking game to them – about who can look the best without actually doing anything to revive a now dying country.

75. lucidculture - 31 May 2007

LC – if one could do that, I’d take up crochet… Saw some good shows tonight though, & met a potential participant in the piedmont blues/folk side project I’ve fantasizing about for a year.

Mcat – you always reassure me. I don’t fret in bed, because whenever I write anything I might be embarassed by, I’m usually dead to the world for about 8 hours after that. I guess my point was, sometimes I fly off the cuff & things don’t come out right & I don’t want to offend those I respect if I’m having a bad day.

BTW – about my post last night, I realized when I read it this morning that most people probably wouldn’t interpret those Throwing Muses’ lyrics the way I always have – as a song about domestic violence. My comments afterward only make sense in that context. That repeated line – ‘you have a back like Marie’ – for some reason has always cast my interpretation of the lyrics, in the sense that Marie is a battered woman. I used to spin that album on my College radio show.

76. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2007

So catnip, how are the cats?

Joey’s fine. Shipley, otoh, has suddenly become the neediest cat alive. Long story. I don’t get much sleep at nite. He doesn’t like the confinement here. I am slowly going insane – well – more insane.

77. marisacat - 31 May 2007


The Democrats are the worst thing on earth.

They want to piggyback on all that bush “accomplished”. I am not lauding him, but he and his knew what a wretched state we were in, lack of political will, corporatisation at a turning point, sold out punditry, editorial staff with a tough grip on newsrooms, ways to buy people, ruin people… and they knew how America loves to hate. And they understood about greed in America.

The violence, destruction, inside America and across the world. The Democrats want all the new power bush grabbed.

They are parasites on a horror.

In some ways they are worse than Bush.

78. marisacat - 31 May 2007

Looks like the Bancroft family (Dow Jones, WSJ, Rupert trying to buy it, etc) is breaking down.

I read a couple of weeks ago that Rupert began some strong arm tactics. Despite poor revenue at WSJ, the family members (about 35 of them around) have continued to draw substantial remittances. Rupert started to work to throw a wrench in the deal (meaning their cosy set up).

Floyd Norris said a month ago that the family would crack and take between 6 and 8 billion.

79. lucidculture - 31 May 2007

I am slowly going insane – well – more insane.

As my singer remarked to me today about our bassist – it’s not like I’m emotionally stable, but I wonder if he’s just off… I go more insane by the year – or maybe I just get more sane by the year & the world is just getting fucking out of control. Like Midas, I always pretend the latter.

I also cannot comprehend how people are so ignorant to our long and documented relationship with Bin Laden & to the clear reasons he declared war on America. Seriously. All conspiracy theories aside. We put his organization together under Carter and Reagan to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. We sold them out after the fall of the Soviet Union. They got pissed that we occupied Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War… That’s mainstream history.

There is, of course, a hell of a lot more going on there, but the fact that our own government and those that aspire to be in it cannot grasp the most basic facts leaves me fretting in my bed.

80. lucidculture - 31 May 2007

Well if Rupert bought the WSJ what would really change? 😉

81. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 May 2007

Lucid, I’ve never seen anything you’ve written that you should feel embarrassed about. On the contrary. I was referring to certain ‘blahgers’ on dk who promote themselves as being something they are not. I was just wondering if they actually believe in their own characterizations of themselves, or just don’t think ahead to a time when others might get to judge for themselves. Nothing of importance either way, just idle speculation …. so not to worry.

Catnip, when you crochet something for someone else, it does bring happiness to someone. It’s hard not to be depressed lately though.

This might make you laugh considering the source …

Heh (none / 0) (#33)
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu May 31, 2007 at 06:54:11 PM EST

Isn’t it great? Ratings mean nothing here.
The Cult of Mojo is happily absent here.

Lol! Wasn’t he one of the biggest promoters of the ratings system on dk? If he stays on TL much longer he’ll be completely reformed. Kos might want to send Hunter and DhinMi there for rehab, and a few others ….

82. marisacat - 31 May 2007

I recently read a more … haunting quote from the Carter Zbig era…

when Carter signed the secret authorization to help the mujahideen in July of 79, zbig wrote to Carter that it would provoke soviet response. In a few months when they invaded, crossed over… what ever the words…. Zbig wrote Carter that the “Soviets had been handed their Vietnam war”.

I just hated that after years of Kissinger we had to get Zbig.

No one is any good tho really.

83. marisacat - 31 May 2007

well honestly lucid, some of the reporting is drop dead excellent. The op/ed is a HORROR.

But no matter where it is now, it would move RIGHT.

Rupert: antoher fucked bi partisan event. Cuomo assisted his greasy slide into the US. War monger.

84. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2007

I think I’ll write a bit about the politics of insecurity tomorrow as it relates to Maslow’s Heirarchy. The bottom rung includes survival needs and right above that is safety. If you can’t rise above those levels, you’re doomed to a very unfulfilled life with a lot of despair. (Not that the trip is always linear, but there’s a reason for those aspects to act as the broad foundation of the heirarchy upon which everything else exists.)

Anyway, as stunned as Bush, the GOP and the Dems appear to be, the fact that they know that keeping people at a psychological level of insecurity that stunts an individual’s sense of safety (constantly under some threat from a real or perceived enemy while refusing to fix obvious and necessary security problems) actually helps them all to keep the population from rising up. It’s one of the most insidious forms of suppression and tyranny.

That’s why they can constantly get away with promising to use a hammer (military might) where a much less threatening approach (diplomacy) would actually work. They keep promising security, but never deliver.

I’m rambling…just thinking a lot about survival needs tonite because I’m gearing up to start a new blog about coping with poverty.

85. lucidculture - 31 May 2007

Mcat – that was the policy from the beginning on Afghanistan. They wanted the Soviets to have their own expensive guerilla war failure. It wasn’t Reagan who crafted the ‘let’s just bakrupt them’ strategy. It wasn’t Carter either.

It’s so funny to see Zbig come full circle and repudiate pretty much everything, while folks like McNamara apologize only for Vietnam and not the World Bank.

86. marisacat - 31 May 2007

Yes I understand,, the quote tho, the exact quote, I had not read before.

I have made use of much of Zbig’s commentary over the past years. Very useful. Not sure tho how much he has really repudiated. As long as he says things against this war, agianst Bush agasint the clintons (he is really good on their strangle games) I will use him.

87. lucidculture - 31 May 2007

Mario? Or his kids?

I always remember that Mario speech at the Democratic Covention in, was it 1984. I was only 12, but I thought he would be the next major candidate… guess there was too much mob shit.

Though for the Op/Ed pages, I guess one should mention Susan Faludi. She completely exposed the RW lies regarding professional women in the ’80’s, the ‘biological clock’, and all such nonsense.

88. marisacat - 31 May 2007

Mario. Along with famous Big Jews (don’t worry I use Big Catholic as well… and a few other slams). The name eludes me, oh the Bronfman family. Among others.

It is really horrifying .. nothing new.

89. marisacat - 31 May 2007


well I use the post WW2 phrase of “strategy of tension”… it was applied to the uses the “left behind” forces, NATO related, RW in italy (and other countries). Most of their horrors were assigned to the Left, tho the hard right, anti communist, CIA backed new fascists did most of the terror.

Google “Gladio”

Bush and the government is conducting internal terror.

90. moiv - 31 May 2007

Thanks MitM and Marisa for the links to the doctors’ diaries.

They’re both good friends, good doctors and (just as important) such good men.

The last couple of weeks have been pretty much a blur, but some good news. Her doc professes himself amazed that she’s survived, but today my 83 y/o mother-in-law got herself out of ICU and into convalescent/rehab.

While yesterday my own doc pronounced me “a heart attack waiting to happen.” (Just imagine, he thinks I overdo.) I told him to stop being silly. No one in my family has ever had a heart atack, and wouldn’t dream of it.

91. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2007

Catnip, when you crochet something for someone else, it does bring happiness to someone.

Okay, okay, the lanyards will be in the mail on Monday.

92. marisacat - 1 June 2007


Great news on your MIL… I hope she does well and is out soon.

Please take care of yourself… 🙂

93. lucidculture - 1 June 2007

the fact that they know that keeping people at a psychological level of insecurity that stunts an individual’s sense of safety… actually helps them all to keep the population from rising up.

You’re not rambling. This is the reason behind the ‘drug war’. This is the reason behind the American obsession with ‘crime’. This is the reason behind the ‘war on terror’. This is the reason behind the American obession with promoting and ‘protecting’ people from something that is less likely to kill them than a lightening strike.

For Catnip’s Cat’s sake, the entirety of the ‘Situation Room’ was dedicated to some dude with TB who happened to travel a lot & exposed countless people to TB. He was compared to a terrorist by the people interviewed. Now yes, that is a public health issue. But honestly, is it newsworthy? Is he a terrorist? TB is coming to a mall near you. Be afraid. Be very, very afraid [meanwhile, the mall slugs imbibe all sorts of horrible things, like factory foods, that will give them cancer & will shorten their lives, but is there a ‘terrorist alert’ for that?].

If we are afraid to die, we are afraid to live. If we are afraid to live, we sign away our right to life to those who profit from our death.

94. Sabrina Ballerina - 1 June 2007

Catnip, good post on Ron Paul …. they used to leave him alone when he just made speeches on the floor that no one heard. I think he came slowly to the realization that US foreign policy might be the cause of terrorism. I remember a few years ago, reading a speech he gave where he began to question the past 60 years of supporting the worst dictators and asking that the policies be reviewed. I think he titled the speech ‘What if we were wrong’. No one got too upset about his questioning, unlike the reaction to Cynthia McKinney, eg.

Maybe that’s why he ran for president, so he could get a bigger microphone as he watches the destruction of this country. They are paying attention to him now, demanding that he not be allowed in the debates. Same goes for Gravel and Kucinich. It could not be more clear that both Dems and Repubs do not want the truth to come out. But, and maybe I’m an optimist, I think it will and when it does, things will begin to change.

As for Giuliani, there aren’t enough words to express how I despise that man. I am hoping that he will implode as did his ‘top cop’ before this is all over when the truth about him is finally learned.

Lucid, I remember reading that poem and wasn’t sure if it was about domestic violence …. and, btw, I love most everything you write –

95. liberalcatnip - 1 June 2007

Good news about your MIL, moiv.

Google “Gladio”

I’ll do that. Thanks.

Bush and the government is conducting internal terror.

Well, he did say it would be a lot easier if he was a dictator and I don’t put all of the blame on Cheney and Rove for the horror show. Bush (really) is not a stupid man (although his speech writers are obviously programmed peons from hell). He knows what he’s doing enough to realize that his real agenda of being Head Fearmonger ™ is what’s kept him in power. Where would he be if 9/11 hadn’t happened? Out on his faux Texan ass.

96. marisacat - 1 June 2007


the TB story has been very interesting to follow. All the uses the ”story” was put to.

Providential it was. For the government.

However he is an atty and can wade thru this mess. Fortunately.

97. liberalcatnip - 1 June 2007


I’ve actually read a lot of Ron Paul’s stuff because it’s often featured at antiwar.com which I check every nite when they update it. (I did reel back in horror when he wrote a column in which he called abortions “genocide”).

I’m certainly not a libertarian and hate finding myself nodding in agreement to what Pat Buchanan has written there also sometimes, but what’s been going on with the Bush regime and the Dems just screams for a more open-minded world/political view that can’t be found by hanging out on partisan sites (stating the obvious).

98. lucidculture - 1 June 2007

I told him to stop being silly. No one in my family has ever had a heart atack, and wouldn’t dream of it.

Good for you, especially if your doctor was relating it to something like cholesteral tests… Heart disease is oxidation, inflamation & stress. Strangely hard core athletes have more incidence of heart attacks because they overstress the body. And then their are those who have abandonned all saturated fats who experience the same.

Great to hear your MIL is now out of immediate danger. My Dad’s radiation therapy starts in late June.

99. marisacat - 1 June 2007

Oh they freak out and topple over when they take my cholesterol. It runs high on my mother’s side of the family… also no heart attacks.

I will say I laughed out loud the day Jim Fixx collapsed and DIED.

Stress will kill me off.

100. marisacat - 1 June 2007


I have posted things that report on israeli policy decisions in the 50s that the country “must always be at war”, in order to keep the people in a state of fear. Fixated on war, dependant on their government for defense and protection (they think). And of course neither is what the government provides.

Same thing here, now.

101. lucidculture - 1 June 2007

My entire mother’s side of the family suffered from ‘heart disease’. They all had extremely high cholesterol. None of them had issues until they were in their ’80’s & the ages they died? 103, 101, 99, 96, 88.

If only I live that long…

I must confess, I do have a secret desire to be a vampire.

102. moiv - 1 June 2007

LOL … Jim Fixx. The patron saint of running yourself into the ground. I remind people of that whenever they ask whether I go to the gym: “Exercise??? That stuff will kill you! Haven’t you ever heard of Jim Fixx?”

Yes, lucid and Mcat, he freaked at the cholesterol — but everything else was perfect, so not bad for 56 this month.

And lucid, dead-spot-on about gassing us with fear. That’ll kill you faster than cholesterol — at least, it will kill evrything in you that matters.

These days, “nothing to fear but fear itself” will get you nothing but a referral for a psych work-up.

103. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 June 2007

speaking of the TB thing … CNN, in it’s wisdom as a “news” source, decided that the TB traveler “issue” was tied somehow to the IMMIGRATION BILL (?!???!?!?) and turned to LAURA INGRAHAM (@#!!*#$!) for some “thoughtful” commentary.

***pounds head on desk***

We’re so fucked.

Off to work. Have a good day, everybody.

ps. glad to hear about your MIL moiv.

104. Sabrina Ballerina - 1 June 2007

Great news about your MIL, Moiv ….

Lol, Mitm, I don’t watch tv news anymore, it’s just too frustrating.

105. supervixen - 1 June 2007

Hey moiv, I just got over to Clockwork Orange and read those abortion-provider diaries. Many, many thanks for helping to get those on the site. They are amazing people and the Kossites certainly need to hear their points of view.

It’s good to see all the support for the docs over there, but so depressing that the same old anti-choice shit keeps coming up. Will it never end??? I feel like the anti-Jim Crow protesters must have felt when they kept seeing the usual racists making their usual racist complaints: “they really are different from us, more primitive, less moral” and “would you want your sister to marry one?” and all the rest.

it just makes you despair for human nature.

But the docs’ diaries gave me a burst of hope. Thanks again.

106. supervixen - 1 June 2007

oh, and PS: thanks for letting us know about your mother in law. Best wishes to you and her.

107. supervixen - 1 June 2007

The TB “Typhoid Mary” story is very bizarre. How did he ever come down with this, anyway? And what a strange coincidence that it’s his father-in-law’s specialty.


Does anyone remember that old movie with Richard Widmark and Jack Palance, Panic in the Streets? It was about a doc and a cop in New Orleans trying to track down a murderous thug who’s a carrier of pneumonic plague. Good gritty stuff with great location photography, sort of like a Naked City for public health. Directed by Elia Kazan. Catch it if you see it listed anywhere.

108. Sabrina Ballerina - 1 June 2007

SV, the TB story is strange. His FIL is a micro-biologist who specializes in TB research. He made a statement on the radio today saying that he is not responsible for his son-in-law’s desease.

Apparently, according to his SIL, he was not told to stay off planes, or not to travel. He says he asked his doctors about it. He apologized for any harm he may have done.

Speaking of micro-biologists, I remember reading that many have died under strange circumstances over the past several years.

109. Sabrina Ballerina - 1 June 2007

The Prosecution Rests in the Conrad Black Case

CHICAGO (Reuters) – Prosecutors wrapped up their case in Conrad Black’s criminal fraud trial on Wednesday after 11 weeks of testimony designed to convince jurors the one-time high-flying media mogul and his associates are thieves.

Black did get a bit of good news as the government rested its case when prosecutors, without explanation, dropped a single count of money laundering against him.

That left Black still charged with six counts of mail fraud, three counts of wire fraud, one count of obstruction of justice, one count of racketeering and two counts of tax evasion.

If found guilty on all counts, he faces up to 101 years in jail.

110. marisacat - 1 June 2007

I saw the FIL of the patient on film, highly defensive.

Makes you wonder a bit.

The patient is an atty and apparently he ws ‘advised” not to travel. He can parse the legal meaning of words. It ws while they were travelling that the seriousness of the illness tested out. Apparently the testing processes ofr the disease are antiquated.

LOL I think he was a fool to avoid quarantine in Italy (his reason for flying home). Hell at least you get wine in hospital.

One report mentioned a n toehr man who has been in full forced quarantine since last July. Same strain apparently.

Interesting story, full of turns and odd quirks.

111. colleen - 1 June 2007

I just read both abortion provider diaries too. I note that the faux moralists have limited themselves to a couple of squeaks.
This being one of them:

Thank you for such a personal diary (0 / 0)
Although I suspect this and other personal statements by abortion-providers here is part of PR effort coordinated by moiv and co., I really do appreciate and respect both your story and your vocation to heal women at a times of unique and acute desperation. I don’t support abortion rights, but I would not want to see doctors like yourself, or women who need your help, to face societal sanctions. I do, however, want to see fewer pregnancies end in abortion, just like I want to see less violence in my community and the world, and I want my community to be more welcoming to others, especially those with flaws. I am also troubled by the mentality that thinks it can decide for someone else whether life will be good enough or not to warrant another’s continued existence.

“What is moral about bringing a child into this world that will not receive the love, support and attention it needs because its mother has to work two jobs just to pay the rent and their father is long gone?”

Is it more moral, then, to end a child’s before he or she is born just because the child’s prospects for early childhood happiness appear, subjectively, to be handicapped? There are undoubtedly many good health reasons for terminating a pregnancy. Is despair about possibilities for happiness really one of them? Just asking.

by eastsidedemocrat on Fri Jun 01, 2007 at 07:39:19 AM PDT

So, I remember this guy from long ago and cannot remember him ever expressing the slightest bit of concern for issues which would would make any community more welcoming to the poor in general much less low income single mothers. (despite their ‘flaws’) Indeed I can never recall him expressing concern for anything which did not directly affect upper middle class white males.
He’s been posting on DK for years now and the only thing I can recall about him is this sort of crap. Can anyone recall him posting about poverty issues? ever?

112. liberalcatnip - 1 June 2007

Dan Bartlett has resigned to…[insert drum roll here]…spend more time with his family.

113. liberalcatnip - 1 June 2007

I want my community to be more welcoming to others, especially those with flaws.

That presumes there are, in fact, people without “flaws”. I wonder who those people are.

Didn’t moiv write in her last diary that she had invited this doctor to post there? Yet it’s seen as some grand and secret conspiracy – as if there’s something horribly wrong with having an expert in the field write about his experiences. Well actually, I suppose there is, if you’ve wrapped yourself in sanctimonious bullshit and talking points that someone with more experience than you can tear apart.

114. liberalcatnip - 1 June 2007

Hmmm…what’s impeachment pr0n doing on the FP of dkos? Someone fire that “open thread” poster right now!

115. liberalcatnip - 1 June 2007


CNN is showing footage of the Lebanese army attacking the refugee camp in Lebanon. “Heavy artillery fired on camp, tanks move in.” I wonder how many innocent refugees will be killed in this “operation”.

116. lucidculture - 1 June 2007

What’s ‘impeachment pron’? Does that involve some futuristic computer game & shellfish?

Speaking of micro-biologists, I remember reading that many have died under strange circumstances over the past several years.

Yes. In the year after 9-11, somewhere around 14 of the world’s leading micro biologists/virologists died under extremely bizarre circumstances. All of them had ties to biological warfare research. The CTers amongst us were suspicious that this was a harbinger of doom. There’s been plenty of doom since then, but fortunately there has not yet been an instance of bio-warfare [save the anthrax letters sent by the Bush administration].

117. Sabrina Ballerina - 1 June 2007

Lol, Catnip, I saw the ‘Impeachment Porn’ on the FP – has dk been infiltrated?

They are all bent out of shape over there because Cindy Sheehan was interviewed by Alex Jones and slammed bloggers and the Dems. Someone put up a diary with a transcript to the interview. Needless to say, the usual suspects showed up, including Luscious Vagina demanding that the diary be deleted with several declaring Cindy S. a (gasp) conspiracy theorist! The Scarlet Letter was applied by those who consistently protect the Bush administration from any kind of questions regarding their behavior both before and after 9/11.

Well, she did question the official story of 9/11 and the collapse of Bldg 7 (not hit by a plane, and I think it was recently revealed that it was brought down for safety purposes, by the authorities). The diary was deleted for ‘copyright violation’.

Another diary was published about the interview and it is clear that Cindy S has the same questions about 9/11 that increasing numbers of Americans have. More than half of NYers haven’t believed the official conspiracy theory for years.

You have to wonder why the so-called Liberal blogs insist on censoring any questions about this event. Sort of like Democrats helping to protect Bush and Cheney from giving testimony under oath and in secret. It’s really funny to watch indoctrinated kossacks, scared to death of being called a CT, join in the condemnation of anyone who dares to question. That place really is spooky in terms of watching how some people really can be controlled by propaganda and fear, even fear of what others will think of them. Scary really.

118. liberalcatnip - 1 June 2007

What’s ‘impeachment pron’?

kos 12:22

Too bad (15+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
clonecone, badger, Pandora, scrutinizer, northsea, LeftHandedMan, ChiGirl88, vcmvo2, jhancock, Elise, terrypinder, zombie, Major Danby, bonesy, PaulGaskin

some of us would rather fight for change than “have fun” by blowing a lot of hot air and engaging in impeachment porn.

by kos on Fri Dec 22, 2006 at 01:36:42 PM MDT

Does that involve some futuristic computer game & shellfish?

You have an interesting imagination there, lc. 😉 Although I think if it involved shellfish, it would be imbeachment pr0n.

119. supervixen - 1 June 2007

SB: many of the Kossites deeply enjoy public stonings.

120. Sabrina Ballerina - 1 June 2007

Lol, catnip, that’s kos on the US Constitution. It’s just ‘porn’ to him! And that change he was working for? Lol!

Otoh, if the rule of law had been applied starting in January, that might have brought about some significant change. That little declaration came during the impeachment wars.

imbeachment Lol! Shellfish

121. wozzle - 1 June 2007

Impeachment pr0n?

Black judicial robes and a pink crustacean.

122. liberalcatnip - 1 June 2007

Black judicial robes and a pink crustacean.

To the tune of A White Sportcoat (And A Pink Carnation).

123. cad - 1 June 2007

i went to a strip club when i was 18 with a group of women to see their friend. most unerotic. when i lived in autin, i went to a couple famous ones there (where george clooney hound dogs) and just never got turned on by sitting with my male friends and having strangers dance naked for my money. and the strippers i know personally all tend to have some awful sexual trauma in their past.

as for ron paul, i voted for him as libertarian candidate in 88. i was young at the height of my ayn randian phase. but paul was a smart guy. i just don’t believe anymore in the unrealistic and unhelpful ways of the libertarians — unlike that phony scam artist kos. someday there will be a book out on how he bilked the blogosphere. after arnold hires him for re-branding work in 2008 no doubt.

and laura ingraham is today officially going up against george bush in a startling display of being the unfashionably late to the party. but she has good reasons to be anry at bush. you know, the dark skin folk comn’ in…you should have heard her smug proud tone as if this skank of the right is some kind of rebel…

124. liberalcatnip - 1 June 2007
125. liberalcatnip - 1 June 2007

K…scrap that. The chat is over already.

126. Revisionist - 1 June 2007

News out of London is that the Shin Bet helped stage the Entebbe hostage/hijack situation because the PLO was making inroads….

127. liberalcatnip - 1 June 2007

Dahr Jamail on antiwar.com radio gives a horrific picture of what life is really like in Baghdad.

128. Sabrina Ballerina - 1 June 2007

unlike that phony scam artist kos. someday there will be a book out on how he bilked the blogosphere Cad

I came across this article on the ‘netroots’ today –

Democratic Spin eon’t end the War in Iraq

Not everyone saw this coming, of course. Back in March, Salon.com called MoveOn’s Eli Pariser “shrewdly pragmatic” for backing Pelosi’s original supplemental war funding bill. It quoted Pariser predicting that after Bush was “forced to veto” Pelosi’s bill, “That forces the Republicans to choose between an increasingly isolated president and the majority of the Congress and the majority of the American people.”

Similar “shrewd pragmatism” came from blogger and Democratic campaign consultant Matt Stoller at MyDD.com, praising MoveOn’s “dedication to practical results” and calling the Pelosi bill “a major step forward … Moveon was true to its members in helping this happen.” Stoller criticized us by name for our naiveté in thinking otherwise:

Matt Stoller attempted to use an old ‘divide and conquer’ tactic in his attack on Stauber, in this case he decided that Stauber’s ‘naivitee’ was a result of being of a ‘different generation of liberals’. Lol! If Stauber was not of a different generation, they would have found another rightwing-type ‘slam’ to smear him with.

Such rightwing tactics are exactly what caused the ‘netroots’ to be labeled as ‘rightwing wannabes’ – and Stoller et al prove this to be true each time they dip into their winger bag of tricks, even while the deny their hero worship of the likes of Rove et al.

Stoller, lap-dog that he is, made a complete fool of himself as did DK and Moveon.

Here is Stoller’s extremely stupid reaction to criticism of the Dems by Stauber. And as the world now knows, he couldn’t have been more wrong:

John Stauber, who is an ardent critic of Moveon, comes from a different generation of liberal activism. …

Stauber isn’t used to a non-Southern Democratic Party. It’s nothing he’s ever known, and it’s frankly nothing that any of us have ever known. None of us know how to wield power in this new political world, where the public is liberal, the military industrial state is cannibalizing itself, and the political system is (slowly) reorienting itself around this shocking new paradigm.

Stauber is also not used to the idea that activist liberals actually like the Democratic Party. He believes that Moveon members would not support Democratic leaders if presented with a different set of choices, without acknowledging that Moveon members have traditionally supported Democratic leaders when the questions are tactical in nature.

Rotfl, the passive agression of the netroots makes them even more despicable than the right they so admire. At least the right is straighforward in their agression.

But it was Stauber who was proven right in the end. Could be that experience has value after all, although it’s doubtful that people like Stoller will ever learn. It is not a generation thing, it is a question of intelligence and mostly of morals. Both traits sadly lacking among the big boyz ..

And Stoller’s hilarious attempt at defending his netroot buddies and the Dems they work for:

So do not tell me that Pelosi, Reid, and Moveon are doing a bad job. They are not. They are persuading a country and a politics that is used to lazy bullshit that kills a lot of people to think twice about it, and resist.

Yes, they are doing a bad job – they are persuading no one, let alone an entire country. Check out the polls on Dems in Congress now. You really wonder if these people are hired BECAUSE they are stupid enough to spew garbage like this!

The bottom line, however, is that MoveOn until now has always been a big “D” Democratic Party organization. It began as an online campaign to oppose the impeachment of President Clinton, and its tactical alliances with Democratic politicians have made it part of the party’s current power base, which melds together millionaire funders such as George Soros and the Democracy Alliance, liberal unions like SEIU, and the ballyhooed Netroots bloggers like Matt Stoller, Jerome Armstrong and Markos Moulitsas Zúniga of the Daily Kos

Cad, your comment about a book made me think of this article, which is fairly tame, but shows that the game they played of being independent and liberal is not fooling people anymore. They have accomplished nothing, well, unless you are the Dem or Repub leadership, then you are probably happy with they’ve done.

129. Sabrina Ballerina - 1 June 2007

Correction – the last paragraph is from Stauber, my comment above it is about Stoller’s defense of the Dems and the netroots.

Catnip, thanks for that link ….. it is a crime beyond belief what this country has done to Iraq …… thanks to people like Dahr Jamail for attempting to record it.

130. marisacat - 1 June 2007


Unexpectedly out of commission for a couple hours.

There si a new one that is nearly ready to go … and will check Spam and Moderation jail now.


131. marisacat - 1 June 2007

Sabrina comment at 128 was in Moderation.


We had a big outage here. Well most of the neighborhood is still out.

But I noticed that the TV was still on in the kitchen… and the fridge and the appliances on the other wall… so I rigged up a connection with surge protectors and heavy duty long long cords.

What a hoot! I was amazed I could do it, frankly.

That is a big work out for me… so after I put up the next post will probably flop.

132. liberalcatnip - 1 June 2007

#128. SB, I did a post about that Stauber article last Friday and Stauber actually sent me a thank you e-mail. That was nice of him.

Catnip, thanks for that link ….. it is a crime beyond belief what this country has done to Iraq …… thanks to people like Dahr Jamail for attempting to record it.

You’re welcome. It’s a really informative interview.

133. cad - 1 June 2007

the sad fact is that these new-school dems or progressives or whateva they “brand” themselves, think they can use republican corporate methods to effect change when in reality they just get closer to the rotten core of a rotten system.

it’s very much the image of a hoodied, ipod wearing smug blogger flipping his hand at bloodied elder from the 60’s/70’s and saying, “you’re out of touch, old hippie. our way works better.”

at getting them funded anyway, which be their goal.

134. earth to meg - 1 June 2007

#111 Colleen

East side democrat: A “PR effort” by moiv and others: Yeah, so what if it is? It’s not like there aren’t any “PR efforts” over there to promote the anti-choice candidates, the pro-war candidates, or to clamp down on discussion of 9/11. It’s not like there aren’t “PR efforts” by nightcrawler, trailermatt, or “cookiebear ‘runs with scissorhands’ to sway the dialog and keep it conservative and mainstream.

I’m glad the pro-criminalization crowd didn’t get a lot of traction in those diaries. Of course, why these diaries aren’t on the front page is still a mystery, given the high profile of Needier Blades, the great “feminist.” showing up in every one of them to say “I’m part of this movement, I was an abortion provider in the past.” The one by Beket, IIRC, didn’t even make the recommended list with hundreds of comments.

135. marisacat - 1 June 2007

New Thread


136. colleen - 1 June 2007

A “PR effort” by moiv and others: Yeah, so what if it is?


given the high profile of Needier Blades, the great “feminist.” showing up in every one of them to say “I’m part of this movement, I was an abortion provider in the past.”

I believe thatMB was over here last week throwing a hissy fit and claiming responsibility for the abortion diaries on dk. I didn’t believe him. It’s pretty obvious who has been doing the heavy lifting and it sure isn’t the shamelessly self aggrandizing Tim Lange.

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