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Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


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1. missdevore - 13 June 2007

Again- a perfect pic.

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 June 2007

poor fishies.

3. moiv - 13 June 2007

Miss D, I have no idea what to tell you about your eval, since I haven’t had one in about 10 years. Except that no matter what they say, just make sure your response doesn’t sound defensve.

Also, if possible (don’t know how similar the teo jobs might be) you might have a few bright ideas up your sleeve about the fantastic potential of the job you want, and find an opportune opening to present them as things that you’ve been thinking about as improvements for the job you have now. Make them go “Hmmm…??” after you’ve left the room.

4. NYCee - 13 June 2007

I still cant believe I saw this, but the photo reminds me of it, just cause of the motley crew of cats gathered for food. It was while on vacation, on an island in NC. There’s a well worn, old-timey, catch-all general store that’s been there forever, owned by an older bro and sis – faded, quiet people – who live above it. Have lots and lots of strays who hook up at their place. Stopped off really early one AM, to get water for my bike ride, and saw the woman coming out in front of the store to feed them.

There were about 10 cats ON LINE – in a real honest to goodness line.

What was that line about cant herd cats? Perhaps not, but if THEY decide to make a line, they can damn well do it!

5. marisacat - 13 June 2007


LOL I delicately did not link to the site where I found the pic, they are French fishermen. Let’s just say, not catch and release.

6. wilfred - 13 June 2007

i think i recognize the Ginger cat from the Soprano’s finale 🙂

7. missdevore - 13 June 2007

moiv -thanks–there is many things I can do in that way. A lot of times, in my current position, I have to deal with people who have weaker computer software skills—almost no one knows database stuff–and I constantly have to adjust to their inferior skills. The new job is largely all about managing an image database in an academic area where I have my MA.

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 June 2007

probably a blessing. I have a softspot for fish since living w/ my ex and her goldfish.

9. Revisionist - 13 June 2007

If you put Attila the Hun, Stalin and Nero in a poll, one will come out on top. Its like when you are thirsty and go to a soda machine, put your money in and puch the Coke button and nothing happens. Push pespi nothing happens. dr pepper, nothing. You then have to choose between diet orange, root beer or some lemonlimey thing.

Just because she is ahead in the polls doesnt mean people actually support clinton. she is just the least offensive choice. Thats why I hate polls.

10. marisacat - 13 June 2007

oh I dislike and mistrust polls. I think they are part of chatter.

I do note sharp falls tho, such as congress has experienced. But again it is just endless simmering angst.

I suppose something could pitch it to action, but hard to see what, short of starvation riots. Food riots.

Even Iraq, it would take something on the level of Beirut barracks, 1983.

And even so, sheeple forget, did not notice, did not care that Reagan pulled back and then, to feel better, One Two Three ! Bomb Granada! And if we had hit the wrong island, well whooooooooops.

I heard the address that Thatcher gave today over UK Armed FOrces network, to commemorate Falklands [Malvinas] War.


What a country.

11. moiv - 13 June 2007
12. Sabrina Ballerina - 13 June 2007

Poor fishies Mitm

I feel sorry for fish also. I’ve been out with friends who fish and they’ve given me a line so that I don’t feel left out. I would die if I ever caught one, and am happy to say I never have.

I was once given a bag of lobster by one of the Lobster fishermen as a gift because I let him plug in his electric tools. I took the bag when he gave it to me but didn’t know what was in it at first. I screamed like an idiot and dropped it when I realized there were live creatures in there. There was no way I was going to cook them.

I wanted to put them back in the water but my friends would not let me. I swear I heard one scream when they dropped it in the big pot of boiling water and I ran out of the house. They said I imagined it. Poor things they have no advocates.

Love all the wonderful animal stories. NYCee, I am leaning towards getting a puppy also – maybe a Golden Retriever. I love Great Danes but they do not live long, I heard. St. Bernards are great also, but they too have a relatively short life-span. We had a German Shepherd who was so sweet and so intelligent., I would love another one. But like you, I think I’ll wait a while, as I want to go visit friends and family across the country. I hate leaving animals in the kennel and after Tuston’s experience, I’m even more worried about it now.

13. marisacat - 13 June 2007

ooo yum! Insurgency! Catch it before the mobster thugs arrive:

In his frontpage comment titled “”The insiders want their third party”, Kos said:.”

The fact that there is gridlock in DC and it’s tough to move legislation is a feature, not a bug of the system. Had they wanted one-party uncontested rule, they could’ve set us up with a parliamentary democracy.

xynz’s diary :: ::

Oh. My. God.

This was the kind of ignorance and parochialism that I expect to find on RedState, not here dKos.

I don’t mean to be disrespectful, It’s just that I’ve got snarkolepsy…

…so here we go…

Where to start? I guess I’ll start with the: “they”

Had they wanted one-party uncontested rule, they could’ve set us up with a parliamentary democracy.

Who is this “they” that Kos is referring to? The Founding Fathers? Hmmm….I hadn’t realized that the Founders really intended for the US to have a Two Party system; I honestly don’t remember seeing anything in the Constitution about that…..I must have missed that section. I guess the “Two Party System Clause” is next to the one about a “Christian Nation”. After all, if it’s clear that they really intended a Two Party Nation, then it’s just as clear that they intended a Christian Nation as well.

thanks moiv. Catch it quick… 😉

14. moiv - 13 June 2007

No kennels for me, either — or, to be precise, for my animals. Not noway, not nohow.

I always have a friend come over and babysit. Stock up the fridge with goodies, etc, beforehand as an incentive. 😉

15. ms_xeno - 13 June 2007

Moiv is headed for a bad end. I’ll be proud to provide company along the way, if she needs it.

I’ll give a fresh bag of macaroons to the first sockpuppet who wants to go over there and do the OOGA BOOGA THANKSRALPH [tm Scruggs] for me…

16. ms_xeno - 13 June 2007

Somebody mentions that Kos couldn’t have voted for Ronnie because he was too young back then. Well, Kos, thanks for proving that while a man is only young once, he clearly has a lifetime in which to be immature. Not to mention an under-educated moral nitwit.

17. marisacat - 13 June 2007

He voted for Bush 1. And volunteered at 17 for Henry Hyde.

Anybody who volunteers at any age for Henry Hyde needs an examination. He was clearly a corrupt piece of rotted flesh, way back. And everyone knows how he waged war on poor women.

18. moiv - 13 June 2007

Waged war on his marriage, too, IIRC, with an affair he later dismissed as a “youthful indiscretion” — which he committed in his 40’s.

19. marisacat - 13 June 2007

Full text from Reuters:

Bush job rating hits record low in NBC/WSJ poll

Wed Jun 13, 2007 9:51PM EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President George W. Bush’s approval rating has dropped to 29 percent in an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released on Wednesday, his lowest mark ever in that survey, which also found only 23 percent approved of the job Congress was doing.

Bush’s approval rating slid 6 points from 35 percent in April, NBC said, citing a decline in support within his own Republican Party. Sixty-six percent said they disapproved of Bush’s job performance.

In the poll, 62 percent of Republicans approved of Bush’s job performance, down from 75 percent in April. Thirty-two percent of Republicans in the latest poll disapproved of Bush’s performance, up from 21 percent in April.

NBC tied the drop in Republican support to Bush’s efforts to promote an immigration reform measure that many conservative Republicans oppose. Polls have also shown a decline in Bush’s popularity due to the war in Iraq.

The latest poll also found Americans growing more discontented with the Democratic-led Congress, with 64 percent disapproving of Congress’ job performance. Only 23 percent approved, down 8 points since April.

Sixty-eight percent believe the United States is on the wrong track.

Only 19 percent believe the country is headed in the right direction — the lowest number in nearly 15 years, NBC said.

The poll of 1,008 adults conducted from Friday to Monday had a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points.

20. missdevore - 13 June 2007

Mcat-induldge me once more and straighten out my html:

uh sir pope this is the taking of innocent life

21. Revisionist - 13 June 2007

i thought kos was just a little older than me. i think he could have voted in 84

22. Revisionist - 13 June 2007

“Kos is a Libertarian at heart.”

I disagree with that. I dont think Kos has any principles. All he cares about is running spreadsheets on races. He has little concern for the actual out comes created by the elections. I was visiting a libertarian site last year around the elections. Those people were not disgruntled republicans or pot smoking freepers. The site was actually more progressive than DK is on a good day. They sounded more like democrats with spine and priciples.

23. marisacat - 13 June 2007

hmm I think he was just old enough to go into the mil some little time before Gulf War 1, he served during that time but not in theatre… think he went in before school. Then college and law school afterward.

probably born around 70 or 71.

24. Revisionist - 13 June 2007

that explains a lot then. he was just becoming mature during the reagan bush years so he was to you to really evaluate morning in america.

25. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2007

I like this part:

Kos has dedicated this website to the election of Democrats, not because he chose to embrace Democratic principles, but because the Republican Party betrayed its (alleged) principles of smaller and less intrusive government.

So, Kos isn’t so much of a Democrat, as he is an anti-Republican. Kos is a Democrat now because, in the two party system, the Democratic Party is Kos’s only port in this Republican shit storm.

It’s not about loyalty to a Party, it’s about loyalty to one’s principles. Right now (and for the foreseeable future) the Democrats are more closely aligned to Kos’s principles than the Republicans.

If Kos stays true to his Libertarian principles, then if the Republicans ever do return to their (supposed) principles of smaller and less intrusive government, then I expect he’ll return to them.

Begone you parliamentary troll! hehe

26. ms_xeno - 13 June 2007

[snerk] In Kos-land, only Righties are lauded for their principles. Bouquets for Santorum, Bricks for Nader !! Woo-hooooo !!

27. missdevore - 13 June 2007

catnip wields the “begone” wand like no one else.

28. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2007

Oops. I posted this in the wrong thread. I was wondering how that thread had filled up so fast! lol

Okay, so kos was too young to vote for Reagan but:

I voted for Bush in 1992, but that was the last time I voted Republican.


As a 17-year-old precinct captain in 1988, not even old enough to vote, I helped deliver one of the district’s best precinct performances for Henry Hyde. I had a framed picture of me with George H. W. Bush.

29. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2007

I forgot the link to the kos confession (and I’m not even on heavy medication).

30. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2007

They sounded more like democrats with spine and priciples.

That’s why I like reading the antiwar.com articles. I may not agree with the Libertarian philosophy, but those guys (and gals, sometimes) are foreign policy pit bulls when it comes to the wars and the so-called ME “peace” process. No holds barred. They tell it like it is and go after Repubs & Dems equally.

31. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2007

catnip wields the “begone” wand like no one else.

I practice on my cats.

32. missdevore - 13 June 2007

thanks, MCAT. could have looked it up in my html guide, but the dog needed quality time, and jesettefuckingchristina, if he isn’t standing in front of the not-on heater while the bathroom window AC unit is on economy and hasn’t quit. he’s not cold, as there is a pile of blankets on the bed.

he is manipulating me in my weakness. he knows: longtalks=she’s in pushover phase now.

33. marisacat - 13 June 2007


right… it took me a few years of watching that strata come into their own (middle thirties you start to grow up — a little!!) and the paucity of ideas and broad-based liberal/left rhetoric as the nation closed down from post Civil Rights thru ReaganReaganBushClintonClintonBushBush is just effing tragic.

I don’t laud my generation in the least bit… (edging toward the tag end of the boomers) and I don’t like to stratify people so narrowly… but lordy. A lot of narrow little pipsqueaks like Kos around.

And I have watched them NARROW online. years ago I wrote to Outlandish Josh that it was a relief there was liberal left still left (think he was 23/24 then) LOL a few months ago he came here to lash out at me over slamming Mydd.

And while he was here, it was clear, he does not need the government’s help thank you very much. He thinks he does not need Universal (Nationalised) health care and thus has no interest in it.

LOL What a putz! And ignorant to boot!

I say, then go renounce EVERYTHING from the government. EVERYTHING.

34. missdevore - 13 June 2007

29 catnip-good research–no wonder you are in charge of the intellectual property issues around “heh”

both kos and aravia suck at their rather dry Hispanic wells for display.

do we really think either of those characters have suffered discrimination on par with other surnames?

ok-mebbe kos cuz he’s short.

35. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2007

#1. Where are all of the feminists hiding when “Rimjob” posts this crap? This is only the second time I’ve opened one of his irrelevant crap diaries which offers such a wonderfully realistic depiction of women.

#2. How does he get away with pics protected by copyright?

#3. (I have to say it.) WTF does that crap have to do with electing Democrats?

36. missdevore - 13 June 2007

35-well, rimjob is rimjob, and elise is a big fan, and they are all part of the “ironic” features of dk.

37. marisacat - 13 June 2007

well I have said for a long long time, it is NOT a political discussion site.

Very odd diary. Unless one is at a sports blog for 18 – 34 y/o yuks and this is the evening diversion.

Oh right.

38. D. Throat - 13 June 2007

Have you seen this : Nicolas Sarkozy drunk at the G8. They made a reporter apologize for stating the obvious.


39. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2007

29 catnip-good research–no wonder you are in charge of the intellectual property issues around “heh”

Well it wasn’t hard to find. kos linked to it in his “About” bio. 😉

And it’s “heh”(tm) .

40. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2007

Hmmm…what’s this?

The US department of justice is preparing to open a corruption investigation into the arms company BAE, the Guardian has learned. It would cover the alleged £1bn arms deal payments to Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia.

Washington sources familiar with the thinking of senior officials at the justice department said yesterday it was “99% certain” that a criminal inquiry would be opened under the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act (FCPA). Such an investigation would have potentially seismic consequences for BAE, which is trying to take over US arms companies and make the Pentagon its biggest customer.

The sources say US officials were particularly concerned by the allegations in the Guardian that UK Ministry of Defence officials actively colluded in the payments. One said: “The image of all these Bob Cratchits in Whitehall sitting at their high stools processing invoices from Bandar has been a startling one to us.”

The Guardian has revealed allegations that BAE used the US banking system to transfer quarterly payments to accounts controlled by Prince Bandar at Riggs Bank in Washington.

Bushco going after Bandar? WTF?

The thot plickens:

Details of the US move came as Tony Blair told the Commons he took full responsibility for the decision to halt the Serious Fraud Office inquiry into corruption allegations against BAE and to withhold details of the £1bn payments to Prince Bandar from the anti-corruption watchdog, the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development.

Mr Blair did not say whether the Bandar payments were continuing. He went on: “It would lead to the complete wreckage of a relationship that is of fundamental importance of the security of this country … That’s why I took the decision; I don’t regret it then and I don’t regret it now.”

They’re just all a bunch of fucking crooks.

41. marisacat - 13 June 2007

I rest my case:

Rimjob… (6+ / 0-)

Recommended by:Marlboro Lite, Rimjob, johnnygunn, mcfly, ek hornbeck, begone

I love you dude. But there are like 3x more female images than male images…

And what the hell is up with Disney’s former star Lohan? From cutester to dopster in no time flat…

It used to take Mousketeers ages to totally screw up.

“Computer. End holographic program…Computer? Computer?”

by kredwyn on Wed Jun 13, 2007 at 09:47:54 PM PDT

42. Revisionist - 13 June 2007

#40 that popped up a few days ago. Blair has been trying to squash it. He has squahed several investigation over the years one has to wonder what tony is so nervouse about.

I am to tired to do it but I bet if you research Riggs bank there would be some intersetsing connections to the usual suspects.

43. marisacat - 13 June 2007

Go moiv!

I have to say there is something just overwhelmingly silly about BITCHING when a young woman wears a revealing top (pics and commentary – something about can’t she do this or that, some snap of the towel at her – of Britney Spears in this little boys’ diary) and yet doing a diary that relies on just that.

44. marisacat - 13 June 2007

Revisionist and catnip

BBC has mentioned the Riggs Bank connection. Not sure about MSM here, probably in print media…

45. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2007

Thanks, Revisionist. The Riggs bank rang some bells but those bells aren’t ringing loudly enough these days for me. I’ll look it up.

46. moiv - 13 June 2007

Well, I normally just skim over such stuff, so maybe I’m a tad testier than usual today. Likely all this unaccustomed rest has gotten to me.

47. moiv - 13 June 2007

catnip, revisionist, mcat et al.

I’m having BCCI flashbacks.

48. marisacat - 13 June 2007

well I go there so little taht I had no idea Rimjob (or anyone) did such COMMERCIAL product diaries.

LOL copyright anyone?

What a hoot!

49. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2007

I prefer to get my totally irrelevant crap from CNN.

50. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2007


TOKYO (AP) – Japan has a new nursing home for a swiftly greying population – dogs.

The country’s first nursing home for dogs comes with round-the-clock monitoring by veterinarians and a team of puppies to play with the aging pooches to help them keep fit, a pet products company said Wednesday.

Owners pay the equivalent of $850 Cdn a month to keep their dogs at the Soladi Care Home, which opens Friday, according to a joint release by Soladi Co. and the Endo Veterinary clinic in Tochigi, eastern Japan.

“a team of puppies”. How cute! 🙂

51. Sabrina Ballerina - 13 June 2007

Revisionist, I remember Riggs Bank for some reason. I’ve read so much about corruption, that I can’t keep it all catalogued in my mind. Airc, it had somethign to do with the Bush Crime family.

Ok, I had to look it up.

The Riggs Bank Scandal: Pinochet, the CIA, Saudis, 9/11…and…Jonathan Bush!

Speaking of Bush scandals…here’s my personal favorite of the last four years — the Riggs Bank scandal. Jack Shafer has written some recent articles about Riggs Bank’s long relationship with the CIA (going back to the Bay of Pigs, and later, a CIA operation in Iran), based on an investigation by Wall Street Journal writer Glenn Simpson. (See “The CIA and Riggs Bank: A Wall Street Journal story that the press gang should chase” and “The Spook Bank”)

Most articles about Riggs focus on the Pinochet accounts, but downplay the Saudi accounts — and outright ignore the 9/11 connection. And of course, these articles almost never mention that Uncle Jonathan Bush is a top Riggs executive. Back when we wrote our “Top Bush Scandals of 2003”, we included this mention of Riggs Bank under our #4 scandal, “The 9/11 Coverup”.

First the White House dragged out the release of the entire 800-page congressional report on 9/11. Then they redacted the key 28 pages about Saudi financing of the 9/11 attacks. What deeply damaging information is in these 28 pages?

…Do these 28 pages establish if Saudi Princess Al-Faisal, wife of longtime Bush family friend Prince Bandar, did in fact fund two of the hijackers? Do they reveal if those funds came from her Riggs Bank account where Bush’s uncle Jonathan is a director? At this point, we can only guess. Interestingly, when the Saudi Embassy got wind of the FBI investigation into the Princess’ finances, they sent over employees to review the checks issued from her bank account. Did Riggs officials help the Saudis scrub the records?

Do these 28 pages follow the money trail back from those same two hijackers — Khalid al-Midhar and Nawaq al-Hazmi — to Omar al-Bayoumi? Al-Bayoumi is the Saudi “student” who received $3000 per month from Hamid al-Rashid, a top official of the Saudi Civil Aviation authority, whose son is linked to Al Qaeda. Did al-Rashid develop the sophisticated plan for the hijackings in collaboration with Al Qaeda?

Another account of Riggs Bank’s money laundering history:

New York Times July 19/2004
At Riggs Bank, a tangled path led to scandal

The Saudi funds

By October 2002, when Mrs. Allbritton voiced her resentment to regulators about losing General Pinochet’s business, another problem was about to engulf Riggs. In November, Newsweek magazine reported that the Federal Bureau of Investigation was examining Saudi Arabian Embassy accounts at the bank in connection with the Sept. 11 attacks.

The F.B.I. investigation, focusing on accounts controlled by the wife of Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi Arabia’s longtime ambassador to the United States, was news to regulators. Once again, as the Senate report showed, outside forces were making them examine Riggs more closely and Riggs executives were proving to be, at best, indifferent gatekeepers.

Although the F.B.I. told The New York Times in late 2002 that it had no evidence that money from Prince Bandar’s wife went to the hijackers involved in the Sept. 11 attacks – a conclusion that the 9/11 commission also reached last month – news reports prompted regulators to scrutinize Prince Bandar’s transactions at Riggs. The F.B.I. briefed them on the Saudi funds in December 2002, and bank regulators told Riggs a month later that they would examine the accounts.

No surprise to find the Bushes involved in a bank that launders money for dictators and terror supporters. I remember the story about Bandar’s wife. She claimed the money was for charity. It was on the news for a while, then disappeared never to be heard of again.

We need a thorough investigation into 9/11. The reports about Abramoff’s Suncruz Gambling Casinos, that several people saw Mohammad Atta on board one of them, were very interesting also. The FBI is supposed to be investigating that. But nothing has been revealed so far.

52. moiv - 13 June 2007

While here we don’t do half as much for aging people. A team of puppies would do them good as well.

My 83 y/o MIL has is making a near-miraculous recovery from the pneumonia that kepr her on a vent in ICU for most of May. Needless to say, she remebers none of that. But now she’s in a rehab/convalescent hospital, getting back on her feet.

When I went to see my her night before last, she insisted on seeing the newest pics of the dogs before asking about any of the people she knows. 🙂

53. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2007

The reports about Abramoff’s Suncruz Gambling Casinos, that several people saw Mohammad Atta on board one of them, were very interesting also.

That’s news to me.

Great to hear that your MIL has so improved, moiv. There’s some agency in the city here that takes pets to senior’s homes and the hospital to visit some types of patients. The more furry friends, the merrier.

54. bayprairie - 14 June 2007

My 83 y/o MIL has is making a near-miraculous recovery from the pneumonia that kepr her on a vent in ICU for most of May. Needless to say, she remebers none of that.

a double blessing. miraculous recovery being the first! the second has to be no memory of the vent.

my mother, bless her heart, leans full code with pretty much only one exception. no vent. her personal experience informs her wish.

55. moiv - 14 June 2007

Well, they had her on a Propofol drip while the vent was in, so that pretty much guaranteed amnesia. She still has the trach in, but is eating and talking up a storm. Doing pretty good.

56. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2007

Riggs should change its name to Rigged. (And I didn’t know 41 even had a brother.)

* Timothy O’Brien, “Regulators Fine Riggs $25 Million,” New York Times, May 14, 2004:

“Federal regulators fined the Riggs National Corporation, the parent company of Riggs Bank, $25 million yesterday for failing to report suspicious activity, the largest penalty ever assessed against a domestic bank in connection with money laundering.

“The fine stems from Riggs’s failure over at least the last two years to actively monitor suspect financial transfers through Saudi Arabian and Equatorial Guinean accounts held by the bank. The accounts are still being scrutinized as possible conduits for terrorist funds or for the proceeds of graft.”

This is getting complicated. Someone fetch me a chart, damnit!

Graft. It’s not just for skin anymore.

57. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2007

Btw, what the hell goes on in Equatorial Guinea that I don’t know about? A lot, it appears.

58. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2007

Oh, maybe this explains the connection:

Torture is common treatment by Equatoguinean armed forces and police.

And/or this:

After its heydays during colonisation, the archipelago slowly has lost its importance. Presently, only a few hundred people live permanently in Corisco Island, and even fewer on the other islands. Subsistence agriculture, fishing and trade between Gabon and Equatorial Guinea are the main livelihoods of the islanders.

This could be altered after a final international court decision on the archipelago’s status and after the final drawing of a maritime border in the estuary. Then, oil explorations will start in the region and major discoveries are very likely, given regional geology.

Learn something new every day…

59. Revisionist - 14 June 2007

lol… yeah when you investigate these poeple you have to look at the boards and then see what other boards those peeps sit on.

Getting real CT, I havent really looked into but I say some blurbs a while back that Silverstein was going to TEAR DOWN the WTC because of asbestos or something at a cost of like 4-5 billion.

60. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2007

Wow, the conenctions:

Friday, May 11, 2007

Former British special forces officer Simon Mann, accused of leading a coup plot to topple the government in Equatorial Guinea, is to be extradited to the oil-rich West African nation, a court ruled on Wednesday.

Mann’s attorney, Jonathan Samkange, said he was shocked by the decision and lodged a notice of appeal to the High Court.

Mann, who did not appear in the downtown Harare magistrate’s court, was freed from the Chikurubi maximum security prison earlier on Wednesday, but was immediately re-arrested, Samkange said.

He said he suspected Zimbabwe authorities planned to “springboard” Mann out of the country, but magistrate Omega Mugumbate further ruled Mann be kept in Zimbabwe until the appeal is concluded.

Serving a four-year prison sentence on weapons charges in Zimbabwe, he was originally scheduled for release today on grounds of good behavior.

Granting the extradition, Mugumbate ruled that Equatorial Guinea had satisfied her in its testimony during extradition hearings that Mann had a case to answer in that country on allegations of terrorism and that he intended to lead a coup attempt there.

Mann, 54, a friend of Mark Thatcher, the son of former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher, was arrested with a group of other mercenary suspects in 2004 when their plane landed at Harare airport to collect weapons bought from the Zimbabwe state arms maker.

I now know more about Equatorial Guinea than I probably ever wanted to. Small world though. The Saudis, the Bush clan, a friend of Thatcher’s son…hmmm.

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming (and cats and dogs).

61. moiv - 14 June 2007

catnip —

Yes, I remember when Mann was arrested, but wouldn’t have thought it had been four years already. Just shows that time flies whether you’re having fun or not..

One of my SILs is British by passport, but his family were farmers in Zimbabwe.until Mugabe ran them out a few years ago. When Mann was arrested he just said, “Yehhh, it’s all money to those people.”

62. Sabrina Ballerina - 14 June 2007

Catnip, the story about those Mercenaries was on the blogs several years ago. A plane load of them were arrested (the plane was from Virginia or somewhere in the US btw). in Zimbabwe airc.

There is also more on Thatcher’s son. I think he was originally implicated in that Zambabe story, with hiring the mercs or something like that.

He was arrested in S. Africa I think about a year ago. I’ll look it up.

Okay, I looked it up – it was S. Africa ….. wasn’t sure.

Mark Thatcher denies coup charges

Sir Mark Thatcher, the son of former British prime minister Lady Thatcher, tonight said he was “innocent of all charges” relating to his alleged involvement in a plot to overthrow the government of Equatorial Guinea.

The 51-year-old businessman, arrested this morning during a 7am raid on his house in Cape Town, was charged under South Africa’s anti-mercenary laws in connection with an alleged coup attempt in the oil-rich state.

“I am innocent of all charges made against me. I have been and am cooperating fully with the authorities in order to resolve the matter,” he said in a statement.

“I have no involvement in an alleged coup in Equatorial Guinea and I reject all suggestions to the contrary.”
There was no comment from Lady Thatcher, who is on holiday in America and is expected to return to the UK on Friday.

Sir Mark’s lawyer, Peter Hodes, told Sky News that his client had already been charged with an offence relating to “the purchase of a helicopter, and some connection with the Equatorial Guinea coup attempt”.

Sir Mark was brought before a magistrates court in Cape Town before being released. Bail was set at 2m Rand (£166,822) and Sir Mark must return to court in November. He could receive a maximum penalty of 15 years’ imprisonment if convicted of the offence.

snip ……

His early morning arrest came as trials relating to the alleged coup attempt were taking place in two countries. Briton Simon Mann, a neighbour of Sir Mark’s in the upmarket suburb of Constantia, is one of 70 men on trial in Zimbabwe charged with immigration and aviation offences and possession of dangerous weapons. The Old Etonian and former SAS officer turned mercenary is the alleged ringleader.

A further 19 people are on trial in Malabo, capital of Equatorial Guinea. They are charged with attempting to assassinate a head of state, illegal possession of arms and explosives, terrorism, treason and endangering the public. Verdicts in their cases are expected on Saturday.

The men on trial include South African arms dealer Nick du Toit, who told the court yesterday that his co-accused in Malabo were never told what they were being recruited for.

The alleged plotters were said to be hoping to exploit the country’s massive oil reserves after overthrowing President Teodoro Obiang and installing their own leader, Severo Moto, currently in exile in Spain. Mr Du Toit faces possible execution and his co-defendants prison sentences of up to 86 years.

One defendant, a German, died in prison in Equatorial Guinea after what Amnesty International said was suspected torture.

Police with search warrants raided Sir Mark’s home shortly after 7am local time. While Sir Mark was in custody at his home, investigators searched his records and computers for evidence.

snip …..

He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “We are investigating the possibility that he has been involved in the funding of logistical support to the people who are involved in the alleged coup attempt in Equatorial Guinea.”

Pumping 350,000 barrels of oil a day, Equatorial Guinea has become Africa’s third-largest oil producer since offshore development began in the mid-90s.

The country has accused British and South African oil broker Ely Calil and other foreign financiers of funding the alleged coup attempt. Mr Calil has denied any involvement.

President Obiang has ruled the isolated nation with an iron fist since taking power from, and executing, his uncle in 1979.

Obiang had an account at Riggs Bank …. another dictator! Mann is former British military. I don’t think these guys were operating on their own.

Have to read more about Sir Mark Thatcher! He’s supposedly has had other troubles, financial maybe. A vast web of intrigue around the globe, always with connections back to the same people. I remember this story very well now. I do also remember a US plane being involved.

63. marisacat - 14 June 2007

oh so cute… if there is talk of third parties or of [gasp!] insurection!! they will try ot capture (mimic) it, cage it up:

I’m beginning to think that progressives might have to embrace a different strategy than to hope that we get a progressive in the 2008 race, and work to build the machinery for a progressive primary challenge in 2012 against a sitting Democratic President.

[I am screaming with laughter! — Mcat]

That way, regardless of which Democrat becomes President, they will automatically weaken their position if they don’t withdraw troops, and strengthen it if they do end the occupation.

If Clinton is only pandering to us on Iraq until she can afford not to, it makes sense for us to think about how to force her to ‘have to’ pander to us when she’s in office.

64. BooHooHooMan - 14 June 2007

hug for SV

65. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 June 2007

IF Clinton is pandering?


wake the fuck up … she panders as she breathes.

Oh, and the Martinet was born in ’71 (looked at his bio in the Orange Frat House). He was 13 in ’84, and apparently his emotional and intellectual development were so dazzled by Ronnie that they froze there.

66. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 June 2007

not that anybody will listen (nor will it be covered on CNN), but some reality to offset the hysteria:

But actually, the research in the cases that we’ve gleaned from actual law enforcement files, for example, suggests a different reality for these crimes. So first fact is that the predominant online sex crime victims are not young children. They are teenagers. There’s almost no victims in the sample that we collected from – a representative sample of law enforcement cases that involved the child under the age of 13.

In the predominant sex crime scenario, doesn’t involve violence, stranger molesters posing online as other children in order to set up an abduction or assault. Only five percent of these cases actually involved violence. Only three percent involved an abduction. It’s also interesting that deception does not seem to be a major factor. Only five percent of the offenders concealed the fact that they were adults from their victims. Eighty percent were quite explicit about their sexual intentions with the youth that they were communicating with.

So these are not mostly violence sex crimes, but they are criminal seductions that take advantage of teenage, common teenage vulnerabilities. The offenders lure teens after weeks of conversations with them, they play on teens’ desires for romance, adventure, sexual information, understanding, and they lure them to encounters that the teams know are sexual in nature with people who are considerably older than themselves.

The one thing I hate about that description is how dismissive it is of the teenager. In a culture as repressed as this, that desire to grow up and inhabit your sexual self is NATURAL, twisted by this fucked up culture into feelings leading to sneaking around. In a culture where teenagers get locked up as sexual predators for having consensual oral sex with younger teenagers, why is anybody surprised that some kids find more subteranean outlets. THEY ARE SEXUAL BEINGS, not stupid blocks of wood waiting to be carved by some terrible adult. Only a few decades ago they might have already been married or betrothed by their late teens.

Americans are so fucking stupid.

Off to work … have a good one everybody.

67. BooHooHooMan - 14 June 2007

A Job Evaluation Neck Rub For Miss Devore.

dee – you can go with a number of approaches to the eval:

Here, of course, we have the “Jersey”. Used here in the most professional of environments, ya just sits there menacingly, while methodically slappin the sapped- gloved closed fist of one hand into the open leather palm of another. Then, the pezzonovante will hand you an envelope filled wit lottsa money and perhaps offer you a new computer to take home.

It’s all good, d: If there is such a thing as a karma bank , you’re covered. My daughter and I have been waging war against the job evaluations for years. We’ve littered every joint that offers customer service cards with the most creative, effusive praise laden commentary known :

Shakes were down, but “CHUCK”, your associate at the Ground Steak Emporium had a finger on every aspect of customer service and your fine menu. Fries were thick and crunchy just the way we like. Thanx.

Chuck was later arrested for putting fingers, literally ,into the french fries in a shake-down scheme.

Rita, your new associate at Serious Salons showed initiative and unique creativity for the ‘business cut’. We’ll definitely be back if she makes it full time. We especially like the pictures of facially spasmed model on the wall..”

John in Hardware found us everything we needed in drywall.”

So what if I’m the only one of my colleagues who drywalled his own roof, appreciative of Rita’s Pompa-Hawk and my kid’s laughter in the summer sun??? Yeh, we have to spackle and paint the fucker every year but, really, so what??

Wear it lightly, miss d, because remember, we’ll always have “Jersey”.

[ Seriously, no joking here:You’re competent, smart, and savvy, dee. You need no advise going into such matters. I just wanted to offer a little lightheartedness for your travels through what can be a lot of malarkey. A reminder to “wear it lightly” when you can. I hope A reminder, too, of the respect and affection I have for you. All the best – BHHM]

68. marisacat - 14 June 2007


hmmm not sure if you caught … sometime last year the NYT business reporter who – uncharacteristically – suddenly did a book on the online seduction of teens. With one of the teens on the other end. I found the whole thing distasteful and just odd. Money grubbing on the part of the well established business reporter (he did the book on the ADM/Archer Daniels Midland mess of a few years ago, where the son eneded up in prison, pretty hard time too) I caught a few minutes of a very odd Oprah show with the reporter and the teen (who had his computer well kited out with cams and other devices) – everybody very weepy over what happens to the hapless… and so on.

ugh. THEN it came out the reporter too had enticed the teen to continue the behavior. For the book. And that money had changed hands.

Oh give me a break!

Everybody go away!

69. marisacat - 14 June 2007


Former UN Secretary General and Austrian ex-President Kurt Waldheim dies at the age of 88, his family has announced.

For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

I am sure Arnold and Maria will fly in for the interment….

70. wozzle - 14 June 2007

Well, Amy Fisher and Joey (ahem) Buttafuoco didn’t need no steenkin’ tubes.

71. marisacat - 14 June 2007

Unbelievably RICH in IRONY…

No, it’s the fake self-proclaimed “movement” that exhausts me of Obama. I say fake, not because “movement for change” and “building a movement” are such vacuous slogans, but because the continual touting of having such a movement in the Obama campaign email slog is a sure-as-heck signal that there really isn’ a substantive movement behind the numbers.

[hellooo? — Mcat]

In Obama latest, he sent me an email titled, “What a movement looks like?” His campaign probably didn’t notice the slip, but it’s an obvious truth–that adding that “?” in the title. Maybe, he thinks, he’s in one… maybe not… who can tell? He wouldn’t have a clue, I’m beginning to think– that the campaign really doesn’t know what a movement is made up of and are fumbling in the dark amidst their media-created momentum (which is getting primed to turn on its creation). And who’s got Obama’s back when the media does turns on its creation?

Do they hear themselves? If you can stand the whole thing, catch the relentless push toward Hillary.

I am guessing the checks came in… $$$

72. missdevore - 14 June 2007

just got another text message from Hillary: “If you don’t vote for me, I’ll get the job you want.”

thanks BHHM.

73. Tuston - 14 June 2007

Speaking of “fishing”:

A fragment of a weapon used by commercial whalers in the late 1800s has been found in a massive bowhead whale caught off Alaska last month – suggesting that the whale was more than a century old.

The tip of a bomb lance thought to have been manufactured in the 1880s was discovered in a bowhead that was harvested in a traditional ‘subsistence hunt’ conducted by the Inupiat, an Alaskan Eskimo tribe.

The fragment shows that the 49ft whale, which weighed about 50 tonnnes, could be nearly 130 years old, said Craig George, an Alaskan wildlife biologist.

Let’s see.
Giant mammal, larger brain, longer life-span, totally peaceful (unless you’re a microscopic invertebrate).

Yeah, it totally makes sense to eat the buggers. Hell, we should exterminate the damn things for having the temerity to exist and so remind of us of how pathetic humans are in comparison to the rest of the “great chain of being”

Hate to post and run, but I’m totally occupado ahorita.

Luv ya VAGs!

74. marisacat - 14 June 2007

spiegel.de has a piece up on the Amnesty Intl. / Pope Benedict / abortion mess (and reference Miss D).

Be interesting to see if Amnesty holds firm.

Theirs is a nuanced stance, shall we say:

She stressed that Amnesty was not promoting abortion as a universal right. Instead, the organization believes women have a right to choose abortion when their human rights have been violated, particularly in cases of rape and incest. “We are saying broadly that to criminalize women’s management of their sexual reproductive rights is the wrong answer,” she said.

Kind of them.

75. wozzle - 14 June 2007

Tuston, tvm for that link. 130 years…

76. lucidculture - 14 June 2007
77. lucidculture - 14 June 2007

that last link shouls have been:

Mad Cow Productions

messed up coding.

78. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2007

Cranky Boyz.

They can’t admit that they want a liberal as prez and refuse to support Gravel or Kucinich. Yes, I know Kucinich is awkward at times but if the boyz are seriously interested in stealing plays form the RW playbook, they should look at how Bush was catapulted to the top position, despite his incredibly annoying stumbling. They pushed him into the WH and they’re getting their agenda fulfilled.

The thing is, I think, that the boyz just don’t really know what the hell they want. They know they’re going to be stuck with a centrist – Hillary, Obama, Edwards – so they’re now reduced to the Anybody But a Republican game again instead of standing up for their principles. (Mind you, I don’t even know what their principles are from one day to the next.)

They’re acting like damsels in distress, many hoping for Gore to come charging in on his white stallion to save them – which reminds me of a warning I heard way back when: you might be waiting for the knight in shining armour but just wait til you find out that his horse has crapped in your living room.

Btw, I’m still waiting for one of them to define “progressive”. How many years has it been now?

79. Revisionist - 14 June 2007


I was HORRIFIED a few years ago when i learnt the extent of what whaling was all about. They were the middle east of their time and had all those lovely by-products aside from oil. It is wonder there are any left today.

I am sure that whale still holds a grudge.

As far as life-spans… why do trees get to live 100s if not thousands of years? doesnt seem fair.

80. NYCee - 14 June 2007

Whoops – meant to delete the “End the Protest” part.

Here, 2nd go at it. Can you delete first, Marisa?


jon the antizionist jew has a diary currently up on Kos called: End the Occupation March in DC, which he attended.

It has some photos of the skinheadish counter-protester I was mentioning here in my earlier post.

This ‘helpful’ suggestion in the diary – and this is not the worst of them – got me a mite irritated:

With all due respect, the United States needs (1+ / 0-)

to end its own occupation of an Arab nation before it can lecture Israel on the need to do so.

by Geekesque on Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 12:29:28 PM EDT

81. cad - 14 June 2007

amazing that kos republican diary hasn’t been troll-rated to oblivion…

82. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2007

Abbas is dismantling the government and has declared a state of emergency.

Which diary, cad?

83. lucidculture - 14 June 2007

Mcat – looks like the comment I sent before #76 is all spammy… too many links.

84. NYCee - 14 June 2007

It’s such a mess. They wanted this, I am sure. I believed it was inevitable, this civil warring.

They squeezed and squeezed. When Arafat was there, no partner for peace. When he died, they had a year, Abbas, but no partner for peace. Then Hamas was elected. Oh yeah, no partner for peace, and what’s more, we will squeeze you into even more misery, by continuing to partition you off from your land and by plugging up the aid, the tax money from Israel, etc. They now sit back and say, see, they are animals, even fighting with each other.

There is/was corruption in the too-long-sole-rule of Fatah, bullshite religious extremism in Hamas, but the horrendous internecine state of things has to do with those conflicts woven into the underlying tension, anger and suffering of this damned 40 year occupation… never mind what preceded it.

85. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2007

Via Haareatz:

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is planning to tell United States President George Bush at their meeting at the White House next Tuesday that there is an urgent need to view the West Bank and the Gaza Strip as separate entities and prevent contact between them, political sources in Jerusalem said Thursday.

According to the sources, the defense establishment is recommending a “separation policy” for the two territories, and is emphasizing the importance of “ensuring that what is happening this week in Gaza will not happen in the West Bank.”

What’s he going to do? Build another wall?

I agree with you NYCee that this is what the powers that be wanted. They choked the Palestinians via sanctions and the withholding of tax money, funneled money to Abbas to prop him up, and refused to do anything to further any kind of peace process. This was planned.

86. outofwater - 14 June 2007

If anyone here still can post at Kos, please uprate this comment.

87. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2007

What can you say?

JUNE 14–The government informant who played the central role in building the JFK airport terrorism case is a longtime New York City drug trafficker who began cooperating with federal investigators after NYPD detectives arrested him on a Bronx street and charged him with possession of about $2 million in cocaine, The Smoking Gun has learned.

Additionally, the informant, Stevie “Toro” Francis, was previously convicted on felony charges for his involvement with a violent drug gang, a role which included him attempting to murder the leader of a rival Brooklyn narcotics operation.

That’s quite the history he has, according to their article.

88. missdevore - 14 June 2007

from my spam mail:

“My name is Mike Andrew . I and my wife are on a christain Mission
(Crusade) to here in Lowell Massachusetts USA and we came along with our
yorkie, after a while we noticed that we can not been able to take proper
care of her because of the Mission before us.”

Just in case anyone gets scammed by the old “adopt-a-yorkie-while-we’re-on-a-Crusade-in Massachusettes”

89. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2007

I hope their mission doesn’t involve teaching English.

90. cad - 14 June 2007

“Anyone who is advocating for Republicans here is not welcome. If you are advocating for Republicans you are trolling this blog and therefore you are a troll and you deserve to be trollrated.”

except kos who attacks a democrat during election time like harold ford, or a democrat like kucinich and then pimps republican arnold and advertises for chevron as they push their own election agenda.

i wish somebody hree that could would post the proof of kos’ own violation of site rules.

can you just picture elise standing over a monitor with a ruler in her hand ready to strike out against infractors? how pathetic they are.

91. marisacat - 14 June 2007




out of moderation

[deleted the first, NYCee as you said]

sorry for the delay!

92. BooHooHooMan - 14 June 2007

Bush names Gillespie as Counselor to the President


The story goes over the X’s and O’s but nothing about the motivations other than the typical “beleaguered” Administration gets high rolling insider.

From Wapo:

Gillespie’s background as one of Washington’s top lobbyists for corporate interests quickly proved a magnet for criticism yesterday. As chairman of the firm Quinn Gillespie & Associates, Gillespie has been registered to lobby for 57 companies and associations in the financial services, telecommunications, pharmaceutical and transportation fields. Gillespie’s firm had come to be regarded as the one to see if a company wanted access to the White House.

Opensecrets.org reported that Quinn Gillespie had income of $16.8 million from lobbying during 2006, including $320,000 from the American Hospital Association, $360,000 from AT&T and $600,000 from the accounting firm PricewaterhouseCoopers. Some of the firm’s clients have major decisions pending before federal regulatory bodies and other government institutions. DaimlerChrysler, for instance, is worried about moves to raise fuel-efficiency standards, while XM Satellite Radio is looking for approval of its proposed merger with Sirius. Gillespie will make $168,000 a year in his new job, White House aides said.

The timing is the usual deal , a friday sleeper preferably under cover of chaos abroad. ..Good cover today as Gaza and the PA melts down and a doggy biscuit of a sentence is tossed at Libby.

My take: BushCo is cloaking the former RNC Chair in Executive privilege and setting up a firewall for those emails on RNC Servers in similar fashion.

25 % of this Congress gone and Nothing has been done. Nothing Done but Fundraising, Finaggling, and Electioneering….

For What?? To do What??

93. New Fake Name - 14 June 2007

More stink of drug-smuggling and now even CIA connections, surrounding the JFK Airport alleged terrorism plot by 55-65 yr old Trinidadians, one of whom appears to be, or have been, an employee of a CIA front company “Evergreen International Airlines” .

According to Newsday, Russell DeFreitas, commonly identified as a former “baggage handler” at JFK, actually worked as a baggage handler and/or a “trainee supervisor” in the employ of Evergreen International Airlines, a CIA front company based in McMinnville, Oregon. A TV news report out of Oregon revealed that DeFreitas “trained” at Evergreen’s McMinnville facility between July 2000 and May 2001.

As this observant fellow points out, it’s odd for a man in his mid-50s to spend the better part of a year “training” for a job he’d already done for a number of years.

Evergreen, in fact, is a direct descendant of the infamous Air America, the CIA proprietary outfit that has been implicated in drug smuggling, covert arms shipments (according to this former Evergreen pilot, the CIA was providing weapons to both sides in various Cold War brushfires), and – more recently – “extraordinary rendition” flights. More than a few Evergreen flights have served as “torture taxis,” shuttling detainees to various destinations in the CIA-operated global torture archipelago.

DeFreitas left Evergreen’s employ in May 2001. It’s not clear whether he worked at JFK between May 2001 and his arrest last week. But it is clear he worked at the airport in the late 1990s.

According to former Customs Department Special Agent Diane Kleiman, DeFreitas’s background means one thing: “He was working at JFK doing drug smuggling.”

“The CIA has always been involved in drug smuggling, and Evergreen or Air America has played a big role in it,” Kleiman told me in a recent phone interview. “When I was working Customs at JFK, we had this huge problem with airline personnel using their secure keys to give unauthorized access to ‘sterile corridors’ that bypassed Customs inspection. Quite often this involved drug smuggling, and I’ve got ample reason to believe that Evergreen and other CIA assets were involved in it.”

It’s worth remembering that the “confidential informant” who infiltrated the supposed plot to blow up JFK was a convicted drug smuggler. Significant as well is the fact that Jamaat al Muslimeen (JAM), the Trinidad & Tobago–based radical Sunni group implicated in the alleged JFK plot, has been implicated in drug smuggling.

Making matters that much more interesting is the reported fact that JAM leader Umar Abdullah reportedly fought against the Soviets in Afghanistan, a fact that raises the possibility that he, too, was on the CIA’s payroll at one time.

94. marisacat - 14 June 2007


thanks for mad cow productions, I did not know of that one.


catnip NYCee

agree, the so called factional war is just what the US and Israel wanted. I mean in GAZA (and elsewhere). Now it is spreading to Ramallah, with Fatah clinging on and moving the battle.

We could nto accept an election, even one that Jimmy and others had observed. WE could not.

Love Democracy. It is so non-existant.


WEll I really laugh at Dkos. In the run up to 04 and run up to 06, so many little thread dwellers proudly stating:

straight ticket, I usually vote in some R if i like them but NONE THIS TIME.

What a joke. Nver voted for a R in my life. Why would I ever increase their power.

And now? What a laugh. No one to vote for. Just about. And hardly anyone for going on two decades.


95. cad - 14 June 2007

I have the perfect way to describe (3+ / 0-)
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people who vote Republican:

Stupid assholes.

Read Feminisms Wednesdays and Take Action

by Elise on Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 12:30:07 PM PDT

except that kos voted for bush sr. and arnold.

elise just called kos an asshole!

96. Tuston - 14 June 2007

rethuglican power devotees and their other brother daryl,

dumbocratic dipshits and sheepskinned sharks (mormon jellyfishes, too!)

The so called “politically active american”

And the rest so delusionally lost in the unsatisfying duality of calvinistic hedonism they’ve become vidiots and mall ratz too tantalized by the treats in the maze to notice much but if their cable service has gone out.

Of course there are a few totally crazy folks, say a few tens of millions, who actually get it and have the poisoned privelege of understanding how hopelessly fucked we are.

Adversity supposedly edifies one’s character, but I swear I’d be a blue pill guy if my concience would let me. (/groans at gratutious matrix reference)

97. outofwater - 14 June 2007


This site has RULES- (7+ / 0-)
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one of them is that we do NOT support or advocate for REPUBLICANS here.

What the fuck is going on here lately?!

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by Elise on Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 12:48:20 PM PDT

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What the fuck is going on? (6+ / 0-)

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…Wednesday, his lowest mark ever in that survey, which also found only 23 percent approved of the job Congress was doing.

Although the question is rhetorical, I’ll answer it anyway. People are as mad as hell and they aren’t going to take it anymore.

You can trivialize this with troll ratings and loyalty oaths, but there is a cascade of public frustration with the Democratic Party that cannot be controlled by all the strict enforcement that DailyKos has to offer. The worse it gets, the more difficult your job of silencing the critics will become.

The problem is that these aren’t “trolls” but sincere people who desperately want change.

by protectedmode on Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 12:58:02 PM PDT

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by Elise on Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 01:02:10 PM PDT

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* [new] Yours is a simple world Elise nt (0 / 0)

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98. cad - 14 June 2007

insert sound of elise’s schoolmarm head exploding over the RULES FAQ.

99. marisacat - 14 June 2007

Oh my. My my.

The Purpose of the Netroots, Part One

While I certainly won’t stand in the way of those who wish to pursue power and influence within the Democratic Party, I don’t intend to jump upon their bandwagon, nor do I think you should either.

End of Part 1.

Part 2 of this series will consider whether the netroots best and highest purpose is to serve as a Counterweight to the Great Right Wing Wurlitzer

“nor do I think you should either”.

Oh well. Thanks for the instructional tip off.

I am sorry, this sort of thing leaves me massively underWHELMED.

And it is only Part One.

100. marisacat - 14 June 2007

Angry Arab:

American foreign policy is suffering from a serious crisis:

American-funded and armed forces in the Middle East (Iraqi puppet forces, Dahlan militias in Palestine, Somali warlords, and Lebanese armed forces) are performing really really lousily. That only proves my theory:

that no matter how much you spend on a force, it will not fight well if it does not have strong motivation, and what Plato called “spiritness.”

Posted by As’ad at 10:23 AM 62 comments

If only we would stop the meddling. And the killing and the “mopping up”.


Oh Republicans are laughing: TNH is running a clip of Reid saying he ‘had lost faith in Pace’. And apparently he had a conference call with “liberal bloggers” (yes TNH reported that so important tidbit).

If they were liberal they would hang the fuck up on such an incompetent (that would be Reid).

Certainly late – and Fresh Off the Bus – whines like this don’t do it. Don’t miss the reference to the diarist + Armando + thereisnobrain int he text. GMAFB!

Caging dissent, or trying to.

101. marisacat - 14 June 2007


From E Intifada:

Palestine: Development:


By Ali Abunimah, The ElectronicIntifada, 13 June 2007

The one-state solution for Palestine-Israel is “gaining ground,” a senior UN diplomat has admitted in a leaked confidential report. Recently retired UN special envoy Alvaro de Soto wrote

“that the combination of [Palestinian
Authority] institutional decline and Israeli settlement expansion is creating a growing conviction among Palestinians and Israeli Arabs, as well as some Jews on the far left in Israel that the two State solutiuon’s best
days are behind it.”

EI cofounder Ali Abunimah analyzes an
unreported aspect of De Soto’s leaked end of mission report.


that is from the teaser in the eIntifada email, this is from the text:

Contradicting peace process industry conventional wisdom and spin, which long held that Israel’s 2005 settler pullout from Gaza was part of an effort to implement the “Road Map” peace plan, de Soto acknowledged that Israel was motivated entirely by concerns about the fact that Palestinians are once again on the verge of becoming the majority in Israeli-ruled territory (as they were prior to 1948).

Israel is in a conundrum because further unilateral withdrawals are “off the table” while “the demographic clock continues to tick.” De Soto predicts that “Should the PA pass into irrelevance or non-existence, and the settlements keep expanding, the one State solution will come out of the shadows and begin to enter the mainstream.”

102. marisacat - 14 June 2007

Apparently Israel is considering cutting power to GAZA – tho not the water (JPost)

103. earth to meg - 14 June 2007

LOL. trailermutt’s got “LOSER” stamped all over his fucking forehead. What an ass:

Maybe it needs to die in order for (11+ / 0-)
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the people of this country to be shaken out of their television-induced slumber. This country is heading down the wrong path. Everyone knows it. We’re fighting for crumbs. We live in a corptocracy and there is not a damn thing Hillary, Gore, Guliani, Mcain, Kucinich, Paul or any of the others will or can do to change that. We’re fucked. I relate to the diarists frustration, I do. I’m not sure I’ll pull the R lever but I cannot with good conscience vote for a corporatist.

by pkbarbiedoll on Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 12:00:50 PM PDT

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* [new] If it dies, we all go down (5+ / 0-)
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with it. Everything we believe in including our freedoms will be gone. A new Consitution will be in its place based on the repub. values. What will be left? An armed people in the streets trying to defend our homes and our lands. Is that what you really want?

by Owllwoman on Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 12:07:54 PM PDT

No (3+ / 0-)
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I don’t want armed revolution. Nor am I advocating it now. I believe peaceful revolution through politics is without a doubt the best solution.

That being said, our forefathers found that peaceful negotiations were not enough:

“Every generation needs a new revolution.” Thomas Jefferson

by pkbarbiedoll on Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 12:20:12 PM PDT

* [new] hmmm (2+ / 0-)
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sabrina ballerina.

by taylormattd on Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 12:15:40 PM PDT

* [new] Really?? Been wondering about that n/t (1+ / 0-)
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by begone on Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 12:23:09 PM PDT

* [new] I meant (2+ / 0-)
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one of the recommenders of that comment. Just speculating.

by taylormattd on Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 12:25:11 PM PDT

* [new] Ahhh–gotcha. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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by begone on Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 12:27:08 PM PDT

104. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 June 2007

I just caught the Democracy Now coverage of Michael Moore in CA. I just posted embedded video of the speech he gave to the CA leg. I thought he was quite effective.

Don’t know that I expect it do make immediate change, but baby steps …

Oh, and Marisacat, I remember that NY Times reporter. Nasty version of the usual tut-tutting the media does while engaging in the very same exploitation.

105. marisacat - 14 June 2007


thanks for that link.

Nightline covered the Moore speech as well, and some of his meetings with Nunez (Dem Speaker oft he Assembly) and others…

Be nice if Nunez and SEIU came out for single payer (HA!, that was a joke!). LOL I expect Nunez will follow Villaraigosa and endorse Miss Hillary. What a joke.


Other than that, Marin Napa and Sonoma are under mandatory water conservation (speaking of CA, LOL) … 15% reduction, which should nto be too hard…

106. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2007

While I certainly won’t stand in the way of those who wish to pursue power and influence within the Democratic Party,

Like he could??

Apparently Israel is considering cutting power to GAZA – tho not the water (JPost)

How fucking humane of them.

107. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2007

Haha. See the update.

108. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2007


The thing is (1+ / 0-)

Recommended by:

I talked to all of the bloggers on the call. We honestly didn’t remember. I would never have put Barb or any other front pager in this position to cover Reid’s ass. Barb’s ass is more important to me. And I think it is to all bloggers. We honest to gawd found this quote so unremarkable so as not to remember it.

by mcjoan on Thu Jun 14, 2007 at 03:22:38 PM PDT

No ione “remembers” the quote. It was “unremarkable” – after saying that Reid didn’t even say anything about Pace being incompetent. Dig yourself into a deeper hole there, joan.

Interesting that BarbinMD didn’t identify Bob Geiger as the 7th blogger in on that call and that he’s the one who confrmed that reid called Pace “incompetent”. I guess that inconvenient fact didn’t fit with their fainting couch outrage meme.

109. marisacat - 14 June 2007

Geiger has a tape (see next thread, I link to the very silly Big Tent post on this).

LOL the last laugh.


New Thread


110. New Fake Name - 14 June 2007

Re: Marisa #101:

Someone remind me again where a “two state solution” has worked?

South Africa?
South Boston?
Cicero, IL?

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