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See how they run… 17 July 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Iraq War, Lie Down Fall Down Dems, U.S. Senate.
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Harry Reid is finally coming to the realization reached months ago by the American people: That Democrats in Congress have been played for suckers by the Bush White House and its Republican allies on Capitol Hill.

The Senate Majority Leader’s recognition of the realities of Washington in the Bush era–as evidenced by his decision Monday to set up a scenario that could clarify the role played by Republican senators in maintaining the president’s exceptionally unpopular approach to the Iraq War–holds out the prospect that the politics of the debate over ending the occupation could change radically in the weeks to come.

Make no mistake, such a shift is necessary.

Banging head against the wall.  And again… again.

This is a little fake post to carry a thread… 😉 

But here is John Nichols, who did so well (send a trophy, a very small one) last week on Moyers Journal with Fein…. 

How many more of these can anybody stand?  By now they are pretty much flat out lies:

If particular Republican senators do not like this scenario, they can pull together enough votes to assure Reid will have the sixty supporters he needs to avert the filibuster threat and get a real debate and a real vote on whether to end the occupation. Then, instead of allowing Republicans to abuse the cloture process to obstruct the will of the people, Reid can use cloture to quickly and easily remove

the obstruction.

STOP!  The obstruction is The War Party.  Most members of both parties.  Get over it John.  This is not HS.  Nor middle school.  Nor grammar school.  It might be nursery school tho… 🙂

The key is for Reid to stop giving Republicans an easy out. When GOP leaders threaten to filibuster in favor of endless war, the majority leader must continually call their bluff. That will give the president’s partisan allies in the Senate political ownership of his war — and it will give the American people a clear picture of who wants to bring the troops home and who wants to leave them mired in George Bush’s quagmire.

Who ?? Whoo??  Who indeed!  Get a congressional cot – for the owl in the rafters….

   here a cot there a cot everywhere a cot cot...
Workers set up cots in the Strom Thurmond Room of the Capitol for Republican senators who are prepared to spend all night Monday discussing filibusters of judicial nominees.  [Joe Raedle / Getty Images]

By Tom Curry

MSNBC

Updated: 2:06 p.m. PT May 23, 2005

WASHINGTON – Cots were brought into the Capitol Monday as  Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist scheduled an all-night session stretching into Tuesday to dramatize the debate over President Bush’s judicial nominees and the filibusters that Democrats have used to block votes on 10 of them.

The slender chances of averting a confrontation over the filibuster rule appeared to grow even slimmer as Minority Leader Harry Reid told reporters “the prospects of something being worked out are very, very remote.”

In a symbolically important statement, one of the Democratic senators who have been trying to arrange a bipartisan deal to avoid a filibuster showdown, Colorado Sen. Ken Salazar, stood side by side with Reid and gave his own pessimistic view, saying a last-ditch compromise was now only “a remote possibility.”

John Nichols gave me a laugh, at least.

Reid threatens to sink asbestos bill
Reid warned Monday afternoon that if the Senate passes the filibuster rule change, he will react by making it impossible for the Senate to approve the pending asbestos litigation reform bill.

“You can kiss asbestos goodbye,” Reid said.

The legislation, being championed by Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., and the senior Democrat on the committee, Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. is a priority for people with mesothelioma, a form of cancer caused by inhaling asbestos fibers, as well as for the insurance industry and corporations with big asbestos liabilities.

Reid also forecast rough sledding for the Central American-Dominican Republic Free Trade Agreement.

The article goes on – all that Reid was going to do… it is a hoot to re-read it now, more than two years later. 

My fervent wish is that the Dems get 68 in the Senate and 310 in the House.  No EXCUSES then… 😉  More than enough.

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1. frtitzcat - 17 July 2007

liberal catnip–I believe the first offense is 24 hrs in timeout. The second offense is 36 hrs in time out.

The third offense is you are forced to bow on your knees and repeat “thanks for this, clammyc” ten times.

2. aemd - 17 July 2007

Pigs racing to the trough or just a dog and pony show?

Nope, it’s a donkey show. WooHoo. Pony up and lay that money down.

Yep, withhold the vote. Vote but leave that little box, next to the national performer, BLANK.

BTW, frtitzcat, take it back to FC. Fucking Troll.

3. misssheiladevore - 17 July 2007

I thought it was the DOJ staff running from subpeonas.

4. marisacat - 17 July 2007

LOL

the problem is it is very hard to find good donkey/mule pics. They tend to be one or two in a field. Sometimes the fence is shown. I snagged the blue-ish braying donkey over in the Flickr spot in the right column from Meat Eating LEftists – a blog that sometimes x posted at LSF – and is now shut …

But I do have pig photos stored up… little marathoner pigs… and big hanging rubber pig faces… and so on.

Oppps here is Reid (Lehrer), says he is speaking for the american people, who “want the war to change”

GOD HELP US.. he is such a tired hack of hacks.

Oops here is Kerry. zzzzzzzzzzzz “This is the time, this is the moment…”

Momentous words.

5. marisacat - 17 July 2007

So sick of the Dems HIDING BEHIND the very thing they intend we should never have… (from ABC’s The Note Sneak Peek):

“I think the President and the Vice President have engaged in illegal behavior,” Edwards tells The Rachel Maddow Show in a pre-taped interview set to air Tuesday at 6:00 pm ET. “And there are multiple examples; just one is the fact that they have illegally spied on the American people in blatant disregard for the law. So, do I think they have engaged in illegal behavior? I do . . .”

Despite his belief that Bush and Cheney have engaged in “multiple” forms of “illegal behavior,” Edwards does not favor impeachment.

He prefers to focus on “universal healthcare and winning the next election.”

Thanks fella.

6. Revisionist - 17 July 2007

Hey Mcat. I just heard something I had never thought of on Matthews and havent seen any bloggers exploring.

They were saying that people will be voting absentee in the primaries in big states like Cali or Florida. This will start BEFORE Iowa and make the winner largely irrelevant. I had just never heard of voting absentee for primaries.

7. marisacat - 17 July 2007

Revisionist… I had not heard that. Thanks for mentioning it.

I think I voted absentee in the primary in 04. I mostly vote absentee since 2000.

CA, if I recall, will go Feb 5 (unless it was moved up again) which is just a few few days after NH. I remember thinking, looking at the new schedule a few months ago, that they can ram thru whomever they intend to win.

Will google and see what is around about CA and FL …

8. aemd - 17 July 2007

“Momentous words”

Yep, they so want to stand firm and proud 😯 , on the world stage. Be in the Book. Empire ROCKS. LOL.

Pig, dog, pony or donkey, it’s all the same. Just sit back and enjoy the show. (they’s spent big bucks on it, ya know. 😉 )

AND the show goes on…

“I think the President and the Vice President have engaged in illegal behavior,”

Think, Pretty Boy?? Better consult a lawyer to be sure. LOL.

9. Revisionist - 17 July 2007

the factoid Matthews brought up was that more people will have voted absentee in California than will participate in the Iowa caucas

10. marisacat - 17 July 2007

I forget the numbers that participated in 04 in the Iowa caucus but I DO remember it was low (compared to a big state secret ballot primary). No way that state should have such sway.

11. aemd - 17 July 2007

From the last post,

The Luscious Vagina, His Self, posting HERE!!! The numbers must be very, very…very…very bad.

Better make a quick popcorn and beer run. This is gonna be be interestin’. 😮

12. Sabrina Ballerina - 17 July 2007

I thought it was the DOJ staff running from subpeonas. Miss Devore

Rotfl – But is anyone chasing them?

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Edwards, saying the same thing Feingold said in his diary. Even though Congress knows crimes have been committed, it is not worth going after them. Nancy said the same thing – ‘George Bush is not worth impeaching’!

One comment I loved in Feingold’s diary yesterday was in reference to Feingold saying how busy the Senate was with ‘more important business’. The commenter got the schedule for the day. The Senate was deciding on some Dam in some State and what to name it I think. He put up the schedule, and it really made a joke of that claim.

It was also pointed out that they are going on a month’s vacation and that maybe they should cancel it since protecting the Constitution seemed more important to ‘we the people’ right now. They do think we are stupid.

I’d like to know who prepares these messages for them. Feingold must be pretty mad at whoever sent him to dk with that diary, assuming he didn’t write it himself, since the message is so unified. Every excuse was shredded, with ease. Some arrogant pos, like the operatives at dk, DHinMi eg, who think they are so superior and so smart that they can bamboozle people with their lies!

13. aemd - 17 July 2007

A laugh from the HuffyPoePoe. Catch it while it’s HOT:

“Tonight: The Fight To End The War ”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

Snort, like ending the war(s) is anywhere on the agenda. LOL. Teh drama!

14. marisacat - 17 July 2007

By Thomas Ferraro and Richard Cowan

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – With cots, pillows and pleas for change, the Democratic-led U.S. Senate began a rare around-the-clock session on Tuesday to push President George W. Bush and fellow Republicans to end the Iraq war.

Yet Republicans seemed to have the votes to erect a procedural roadblock to stop a Democratic plan that is backed by a majority of the Senate to withdraw U.S. combat troops by the end of April 2008.

A showdown vote on the plan was expected shortly before noon EDT( 1600 GMT) on Wednesday by weary and sharply divided lawmakers. [nip]

Reuters

LOL a slapwa on them all!

15. Sabrina Ballerina - 17 July 2007

Cindy Sheehan on Hardball:

Posted on YouTube: July 17, 2007
By YouTube Member: CSPANJUNKIEdotORG
Views on YouTube: 66

Posted on DU: July 17, 2007
By DU Member: MiaCulpa
Views on DU: 93

From Democraticunderground.

16. misssheiladevore - 17 July 2007

“Cots, pillows and pleas for change” Now there is a Dem. bumpersticker.

dday has a good diary on the dk reclist about this horrific dem consultant he met at a political gathering in California and how that made him decide for impeachment.

17. aemd - 17 July 2007

“With cots, pillows and pleas for change”

Sweet baby Jebus, I’m gittin’ palpitations from teh Drama!! Quick, someone draw me a long, cold one ‘for I faint from tensions. 😀

18. supervixen - 17 July 2007

Checking in briefly from a vacation weekend – WTF is this shit about?

My Daily Kos (Dkos) handle is Stephen DarkSyde, or DS for short. I’m a moderate conservative, currently registered as an Independent. I’m no lefty, or ultra-liberal, or anything of the sort — although I have very dear friends who could be described as liberals or conservatives. I am a ‘progressive’ conservative’ for lack of a better term. I thought Ronald Reagan was a terrific President. And I felt Bush Senior was a master at foreign policy, both of the diplomatic and military versions. It’s also worth pointing out that there were many conservative politicians, analysts, and pundits who had misgivings about the War in Iraq. Pat Buchanan and Bill O’Reilly among them.

So the DK Front Pagers are now sucking up to the O”Reilly fans, eh? I’m not surprised in the least. “Ohyes ohyes ohyes we rilly love Reagan please don’t think we’re liberals no no no.”

Barf.

Further comments:

1. This guy is a fucking rightwing scumbag.

2. DS = DorkyShithead.

3. Interesting that this conservative Front Pager admits that he’s registered as an INDEPENDENT given all the foofuraw about how “this is a partisan Democratic site for electing Democrats”. Ha.

4. “Stephen DarkSyde”? What a pompous-ass pseudonym. What was wrong with “Brent Rasmussen”? Not kewl and Gothy enuff?

Goddess, these people make me sick. Good thing they are confined to that idiotic Orange Place and haven’t yet found a way to break into the mainstream, struggle as they might.

19. wilfred - 17 July 2007

Love that photo! I assume it was from YearlyKos Las Vegas edition? I heard those ‘babes’ love their buffets.

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 July 2007

Go Cindy!

Thanks so much for that SB. She was great, stayed on point.

21. misssheiladevore - 17 July 2007

I thought Sheehan did pretty well on HardlyBalls, though I wish she would have talked about the PNAC agenda first, as a motivation for the war.

CNN (website) is creeping me out–the big story is an athlete involved in dog-fighting & an airplane crash–there isn’t even a mention of Miers defying the subpoena on the political page. Plus they’ve kept running 2001 photos of al-queda training camps for days prior to the NIE release.

22. Revisionist - 17 July 2007

The saddest thing about your post MCat is I learned that there is a Strom Thurmon Room at the capitol.

23. marisacat - 17 July 2007

Revisionist… ain’t it a shame?

And that proud third party he ran on, what ws it, Old Racists and Dixiecrats Forever… LOL.

Beloved of Lott and plenty of Democrats I am sure.

I guess it, the room, is in honor of how, so I read, he spent most weekends in the hospital, on our ticket, the last years of his life. Rest and rehydration.

24. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 July 2007

I fear the winger xristofascist violence is only going to get worse.

Nathan Feldman has noted that the American Christian fundamentalists are pitting Slavic immigrants against the LGBT and other minority communities in the surrounding Sacramento area. [snip]

Slavic Christian immigrants have been compared to the Calvinist Puritans who settled here in the New World because of their apocalyptic worldview. There are between 80,000 and 100,000 Slavic immigrants coming from the Ukraine, Georgia, Belarus and the other southern Soviet republics. Sacramento’s Slavic community is largely evangelical – Baptist and Pentecost.

On the post I did about David Ritcheson, I mentioned that President Bush has vowed to veto the hate crimes bill, – Matthew Shepard Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007 (S. 1105). If the bill passes, it would expand the current Federal hate crimes law, which would broaden the federal authority to aid state and local law enforcement in investigating and prosecuting hate crimes motivated by race, religion, national origin and color, as well as sexual orientation, gender and disability. President Bush stated that his senior advisers would recommend that he veto the bill because the bill was “unnecessary and constitutionally questionable.” It is not a secret that James Dodson, founder of the conservative lobbying group Focus on the Family, is an adviser to President Bush.

One does have to wonder why people like James Dodson are so strongly against the Hate Crimes bill. Could it be that he might actually be held accountable for their followers who happen to be motivated to take action, such as engage in a violent act? Apparently, because the message James Dobson is telling his listeners is that the bill’s real purpose was “to muzzle people of faith who dare to express their moral and biblical concerns about homosexuality.”

Some kinds of immigrants are welcome apparently … lighter compexion and fundie/authoritarian ones, of course.

25. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 July 2007

oops, screwed that up. the last paragraph is me, not from the piece. Could you fix it Marisa so it makes sense?

26. lucid - 17 July 2007

4. “Stephen DarkSyde”? What a pompous-ass pseudonym. What was wrong with “Brent Rasmussen”? Not kewl and Gothy enuff?

Maybe he just wanted to convey how he feels about the First Galactic Empire.

27. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 July 2007

Senate votes to authorize continued occupation of Iraq

The Senate has just finished voting on what some (observers and Senators) may think is an innocuous amendment – the Cornyn Amendment which expresses the sense of the Senate that Iraq not become a failed state and a safe haven for terrorists. Introduced by Republican John Cornyn, the Amendment was immediately given a strong endorsement by Sen. Carl Levin, and was supported by all leading Democrats (Clinton, Obama, etc.). The final vote was 94-3, with only Robert Byrd, Tom Harkin, and one other (I missed who) “no” vote.

So why do I call this a vote to authorize the continued occupation of Iraq? Because, as I wrote last Friday, the “vote against withdrawal” in the House, and the one which is about to (or not) take place in the Senate, has a Catch-22 in it. Despite calling for a “reduction of the number of Armed Forces in Iraq beginning not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act and shall complete the reduction and transition to a limited presence of the Armed Forces in Iraq by not later than April 1, 2008,” that vote also listed as one of the continuing missions, “Engaging in actions to disrupt and eliminate al-Qaeda and its affiliated organizations in Iraq.” And now the Senate has underscored that mission by nearly unanimously declaring it the “sense of the Senate” that Iraq not become a “safe haven for terrorists.”

Combined with the language already in the withdrawal bill, the just-passed Cornyn Amendment totally guts any meaning from the withdrawal, especially given the fact that the Administration (and the media, for that matter) describe virtually all actions being taken in Iraq as actions against “terrorists.”

28. frtitzcat - 17 July 2007

I could change my name to frtitzpig if that would help…

29. Revisionist - 17 July 2007

#26 – there was talk show last week where the guest said that the “war” was more or less over. They are just trying to work out what to call it. Stabilizing Force? Advisors? Transition the Mission. I hope the Kossacks actually make the presidentials give them numbers for their residual forces. 100,000, 75,000, 10,000.

30. Sabrina Ballerina - 17 July 2007

Miss D, Speaking of Meirs, and subpoenas etc. Keith Olbermann had Jonathan Thurley on tonight talking about ‘Inherent Contempt’. Again, thanks go to Democraticunderground for the link!

Run time: 05:20

Posted on YouTube: July 16, 2007
By YouTube Member: HoffmaniaDotCom
Views on YouTube: 617

Posted on DU: July 17, 2007
By DU Member: DeepModem Mom
Views on DU: 1267

Airc, anti-impeachniks (llorens of aravia likes to call those who support impeachment, ‘impeachniks’) are also against Congress using ‘Inherent Contempt’ to go after the WH subpoena abusers.

Mitm, you’re welcome. I wish I could view these videos, but I can’t on this computer. There’s probably a transcript up somewhere so I’ll try that. I’d like to hear Thurley’s opinion on this.

What’s sad is that Cindy S. is all over the media but (correct me if I’m wrong as I haven’t seen the video) no one thought the big deal on DK over her remarks about the Dem Party important enough to ask her about on Teeeveee! All that angst, and no one but kossacks seem to think it’s important.

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Btw, Miss D, I saw that diary but didn’t click it – I thought it was probably an anti-hold-them-accountable diary. Will check it out, thanks for the tip. Can’t imagine what could be so bad about a DC consultant! Lol!

31. misssheiladevore - 17 July 2007

SB–dday came to the conclusion that whatever a dem consultant tells you–do the opposite!

32. ms_xeno - 17 July 2007

We’re out of pig. How ’bout some frizzled chickens ?

33. ms_xeno - 17 July 2007

Revisionist, you can only sleep over in the Thurmond Room if you’re fucking somebody one-third your age, or younger. Of the opposite sex, of course. We believe in family values, doncha’ know…

34. Revisionist - 17 July 2007

I was thinking thats where you for some jungle love from your negress.

35. marisacat - 17 July 2007

LOL Vitter can use the room but not Foley.

what a hoot!

36. ms_xeno - 17 July 2007

Rev and Mcat, I’d ban you both if I only had enough traffic to ban. Would you settle for half a cheese sandwich, instead ?

37. Sabrina Ballerina - 17 July 2007

Mitm, thanks for that link. So, when Repubs (or Lieberman) present a bill, Dems rush to sign it, almost unanamously but when Dems present a bill, they just cannot get their Repub ‘colleagues’ to even consider it! WTF!

That’s bad. This is what I think. Since we know this occupation is not going to end, but they all know, Repubs and Dems, they have to do something soon to make it look they’re ending it, they are raising the ‘terrorist’ lie again. Despite all the reports that most of those killed and in custody are Iraqis.

I think they are going to bring up the AUMF again (the original 2002 version) and replace it with a bill that ends it but replaces it with a bill that strengthens the President’s authority to ‘fight the WOT’ specifically in Iraq! To do that, he will have to leave troops there. They will withdraw some by primary time, both parties claiming it was their idea. But other than the paperwork, nothing will change.

This Al Queda nonsense should not even be reported by the media with a straight face. Every report from Iraq says that the biggest threat to the occupiers is Al Sadr. That there is a minimal threat from Al Queda if any. They are still lying and the media is still helping them ….

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Some the promised ‘theatrics’ for tonight …..

Americablog

Pelosi to lead-March Of Support-on Senate tonight during Iraq debate

by John Aravosis (DC) · 7/17/2007 05:04:00 PM ET

I just heard that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) is going to lead a march of House members from the House to the Senate tonight to lend their support to Senate Democrats who are holding an all-night session to challenge the Republicans’ ongoing filibuster of efforts to change the course in Iraq.

38. ms_xeno - 17 July 2007

…I don’t have the power to destroy the Democratic Party as some people have written. The Dems themselves are doing a good job of that; if they don’t wake up and distance themselves from George faster than the Republicans are, and if they don’t realize that people are more important than politics, they will go the way of the Whigs and sometimes endings are as appropriate and constructive as beginnings.

Borrowed from Sheehan’s own blog.

39. liberalcatnip - 17 July 2007

The third offense is you are forced to bow on your knees and repeat “thanks for this, clammyc” ten times.

You definitely want to avoid that one, monsieur donkey. I’ll bet he’d make you kiss his feet while you’re at it. Oh, and of course, you’d have to extol what a brilliant writer he is too. (snort)

FYI, Larry Flynt on Larry King says he has tracked down lots of interesting people on the DC madam’s phone records. He said, in particular, that there is “one senator” whose name on that list “surprised” him. (A Dem, possibly?)

He also said he hasn’t decided if he’ll just dribble the names out or release them all in one shot. He doesn’t have all of the numbers from the supposed madam’s records yet but her lawyer will be turning them over. He also said that he’s gotten a lot of “tips” (300+ I think) via his ad in the New York Post. She and her lawyer were also on. It’s a team effort. Will this be the scandal to rock the ’08 elections?

40. Sabrina Ballerina - 17 July 2007

SB–dday came to the conclusion that whatever a dem consultant tells you–do the opposite! Miss D

But, isn’t that half of Daily Kos? He’s going to be on those ‘ban the troll’ email lists! Lol!

LOL Vitter can use the room but not Foley. Marisacat

Hilarious! I bet that’s true, too ….

We believe in family values, doncha’ know… Ms xeno

That just reminded me of something I read today about Vitter written by another Repub. Wish I could remember where I saw it.

Anyway, the Repub (can’t remember which one) was furious that Vitter is being called a hypocrite! He explains (you’re not going to believe this) that just because a man ‘who has principles and family values does something human himself, doesn’t mean he should not continue to speak about his values’ ~ lol ~ he goes on to say that a man of values like Vitter, who ‘made a mistake’ is far better than a man of NO values who just, well, does the same thing’! Probably like Clinton, or those no-values, free-love (well Vitter did pay for it, those liberal sinners get it for nothing) hippy types!

I love them, they are an endless source of hilarity. There is NO hypocrisy involved because while they do ‘fall’ from time to time (the rest of don’t fall, we are sinners) they are men of honor because they believe in the values they preach about (for everyone else) and that’s what makes the difference, (between saints, them, and sinners, us) even if they don’t practice what they preach!

I’m calling these guys the next time I’m in trouble and need an excuse.

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 July 2007

First, GO LARRY. I say dribble. I say torture the fuckers.

As for tonight’s kabuki, I’d be impressed if this had happened 2003/2004, but now it’s plainly bullshit (especially considering the other shit, as referenced above, that they’ve been passing, and the support of far-right Israel and sabre-rattling at Iran. Fuck them.

Oh, and I found this interesting thing at Rigorous Intuition:

Post-war covert history has largely been one of de-legitimizing and destroying leftist and even moderate governments and opposition groups. We’ve seen the assassinations, the coups and wars; the economic arm-twisting; the corruption and blackmail. Since the murder of Rabin, “Israeli society, despairing of peace, has undergone a rightward radicalization.” In the Arab world the process has been compounded by the elimination of even secular options, creating conditions in which the only effective vehicle for change is aligned with individuals, ideologies and finances indebted to international fascism.

42. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 July 2007

LOL … not that I care anymore, as the Donks are utterly unable to defend themselves, but Diane Sawyer described tonight’s kabuki as a DEMOCRAT filibuster!!.

What a joke this country is.

43. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 July 2007

good ole’ Tweety.

44. liberalcatnip - 17 July 2007

Question from the back of the room for Mr Vagina.

Kos in the FAQ:

This is a Democratic blog, a partisan blog. One that recognizes that Democrats run from left to right on the ideological spectrum, and yet we’re all still in this fight together. We happily embracecentrists like NDN’s Simon Rosenberg and Howard Dean, conservatives like Martin Frost and Brad Carson, and liberals like John Kerry and Barack Obama.

Another section in the FAQ (which Ms RULEZ thinks does not contradict what the mighty kos said because she’s obviously clueless – except when it comes to FAB fashion, apparently):

This site is primarily a Democratic site, with a heavy emphasis on progressive politics. It is not intended for Republicans, or conservatives.

And, when called on it, she lies:

no, the rules are not clear (0 / 0)

now we have two directly contradicting rules in the FAQ, see my FAQ quote above.

Maybe it is a good thing DD brought this up. I think it is time for an admin clarification and FAQ edit one way or the other.

Sapere Aude! [dare to know] “Have courage to use your own understanding!”–that is the motto of enlightenment. – I. Kant

by Jeffersonian Democrat on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 01:41:08 PM MDT

[ Parent | Reply to This |Recommend ]

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“people of conservative views” is NOT (0 / 0)

the same thing as “conservatives”

I touched the Universe — And back it slid — and I alone — A Speck upon a Ball — Went out upon Circumference — Beyond the Dip of Bell —

by Elise on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 07:20:29 PM MDT

So, who owns the site again? You? Elise (who, for some reason, thinks it’s admirable to run around and kiss your butt)? The person who wrote that last section (and admits they don’t speak for kos and who is, in fact Hunter)? Or kos?

And lastly, what the hell are you so afraid of? That some “evil” right-winger is hiding in your closet or that you are, actually, a closeted right-winger?

And no, you can’t be pro-choice and anti-abortion at the same time, as you said you are.

45. Sabrina Ballerina - 17 July 2007

Rotfl, Larry Flint strikes again! And once again, the nation will be saved from the cheaters and liars by a pornographer who actually does believe in the 1st Amendment. I bet there are some very nervous people in DC tonight …

If I were Larry, I would release everything all at once. I’m surprised he’s still around – I’m sure there are a few powerful people who do not wish him well …

Ms xeno, thanks for the link to Cindy’s blog …. and she’s right.

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Medical Supply Chain Decries US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales’ Investigation

It looks like Gonzales is as busy as ever making sure justice is meted out only to the wealthy. When are they going to stop him?

Remember the story about Samuel Lipari who started a Medical Supply business and was refused a loan by his bank? He found out that his bank had connections to large Medical Supply Corporations, and believed that they were blocking the efforts of other businesses like his, illegally, from entering the market and competing with them, which would have saved US tax payers billions of dollars. One of the Corps was Novations, airc.

Samuel Lipari (a Republican btw) posted on LittleThom’s blog after Little Thom posted the story there.http://littlethomsblog.blogspot.com/ – the story in his archives, not sure what month it was now.

Anyway, the story involved the two women US Attorneys who were assigned, with three others, to investigate corruption in the medical supply business in Texas in the Fall of 2004. But the two women died within weeks of each other, and the other three US Attorneys on the team were either fired or ‘resigned’ airc.

Btw, I knew one of the women drowned in her pool, but didn’t know how the other woman died. But I read recently that she died of a fall in her home! Quite a convenient coincidence for the big corps. So the investigation ended after Bush was re-elected.

Samuel Lipari was not giving up though he filed several lawsuits to try to expose the corruption he believes was responsible for his problem getting his business started.

It looks like the DOJ has settled with GE … named in one of the lawsuits I think, but Lipari is not satisfied …

The False Claims Act investigation of the McCook Metals take over was terminated by the USA Patriot Act appointed US Attorney for the Western District of Missouri, Bradley J. Schlozman.

Schlozman resigned recently, as a result of the scandals Sabrina

General Electric satisfied the government investigation by canceling its planned purchase of Abbott Laboratories Inc. (ABT) for $8.3 billion dollars on July 12th 2007, abandoning plans to further the monopoly in key aluminum product segments by withdrawing underwriting for Alcoa, Inc. (AA) to purchase Alcan, Inc. (AL) against mining giant Rio Tinto’s bid of $38.1 billion dollars on July 13th 2007. Finally, General Electric and its CEO Jeffrey Immelt on July 16th 2007 signaled their intent to sell off GE Capital, the General Electric unit most directly involved in the misconduct. GE Capital will retain liability for any conduct injuring United Airlines employees.

General Electric’s alleged co-conspirator in Medical Supply Chain’s civil litigation, US Bancorp (USB) was forced to divest its subsidiary US Bancorp Piper Jaffray February 19th 2003 when Lipari’s civil litigation exposed Piper Jaffray’s continuing role in extortion and monopolization of securities underwriting for healthcare technology companies allowed to enter the hospital supply market controlled by Novation LLC.

Samuel Lipari cautions that General Electric’s bargain may satisfy US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales but does not stop Samuel Lipari’s private civil litigation claims or Samuel Lipari’s False Claims Act investigation of General Electric’s role as a co-conspirator with Novation LLC and US Bancorp to artificially inflate healthcare costs paid by Medicare and Medicaid.

This case really bothers me, especially because of what happened to those two women US Attorneys whose deaths were ruled ‘accidental’ and ‘of natural causes’ but I think are very suspicious to say the least. But also because of Scholtzman’s involvement, and the fact that Lipari’s contention that the Medical Supply Corps are raping the public and raising the cost of healthcare even more than it is already.

I hope this story is covered in the Media. The NYT did cover it when it started …. I give credit to Lipari for continuing his fight.

But I would love to see a real investigation into what happened in Texas and what really happened to those two women.

Another US A was murdered in WA State also, he was shot and the DOJ would not investigate it and Ashcroft refused to go the memorial service at the time. That case remains unsolved also.

Also, there was a fourth, whose body was found miles away from home, a really good US A. His case has not been solved either. So that’s four dead US As all replaced by Bush’s sychophants.

These people are criminals – and there’s so much more we do not know.

46. Sabrina Ballerina - 17 July 2007
47. marisacat - 17 July 2007

moiv has a diary up at Dkos. I have not had a chance to read it (just starting it), but someone dropped me an email that DD is in the thread – pontification on “safe legal and rare”.

48. Revisionist - 17 July 2007

Elise likes her abortion like her sex; safe, rare and legal.

49. liberalcatnip - 17 July 2007

DD is in the thread – pontification on “safe legal and rare”.

I thought the Democratic loyalty oath precluded doing any other activities while the Great Snore-a-Thon was in progress.

50. liberalcatnip - 17 July 2007

Why does Delaware Dem hate America?

51. marisacat - 17 July 2007

Here he is tonight:

Those who oppose abortion should want to reduce (9+ / 0-)

Recommended by:elveta, njgoldfinch, coigue, blueyedace2, Ice Blue, Ekaterin, irishwitch, Leap Year, la urracca

abortions. And the only policy shown to do that was Clinton’s safe, legal and rare approach, where education was stressed.

Other than those steps, the government has no business telling a woman what choice to make. It is her life and her choice. And she is not a murderer. [emphasis mine]

In order to find his equal an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

by Delaware Dem on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 06:36:10 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And Dec 2004 Link to the subthread — and I doubt he has changed…

Yes, but is more complicated than that. (none / 0)

If there was a complete ban on abortion, and abortion was classified as a murder of some degree, then yes, jail would be appropriate.

But I would only be in favor of that if sufficient options were available to women. For example, a Federal and State program that provides for foster care and adoption, prenatal healthcare, and financial assistance to the expectant mother. If that route is available, there would be no need for an abortion. But that route or options are not and will not be available under Republicans, and thus that is why I remain Pro-Life yet Pro-Choice.

In order to find his equal an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

by Delaware Dem on Thu Dec 23, 2004 at 06:58:28 AM PDT

[ Parent ]

52. marisacat - 17 July 2007

hmm I think he is buzzing around as his “moderate” conjob is part of faking out women to vote for Democrats in 08.

Who will be nearly as bad on abortion, if nto fully as bad, as the Republicans. They have so much to “prove” so much favor to curry (they think) from the right.

women got cut up and draped on the altar of elections.

53. liberalcatnip - 17 July 2007

Edwards wants a three-way now:

Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards renewed his call Tuesday for smaller, more substantive candidate forums, agreeing to MSNBC’s invitation to debate Sen. Hillary Clinton and Rep. Dennis Kucinich on live television.

Get that popcorn ready!

54. liberalcatnip - 17 July 2007

So I finally tuned into the slumber party and all they’ve been doing is the roll call and some vote on something that I didn’t pay attention to. I wore my good pyjamas for this??

55. Revisionist - 17 July 2007

Business Week has an article up about how much bloggers make.

56. liberalcatnip - 17 July 2007

Marine Describes Haditha Shootings

“I told (Tatum) there’s just womens and kids in the room,” Mendoza said. “He replied, ‘Well, shoot them.”’

Tatum then went into the room himself, followed by noise that sounded like M-16 gunfire, Mendoza said.

Mendoza said he returned to the house later as part of a body retrieval team and saw that the woman and children were killed. All had multiple wounds that could have been caused by M-16 fire, he said.

According to a report by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service dated May 17, 2006, Tatum told investigators that he shot women and children because “women and kids can hurt you, too.” He said he felt bad about the incident but added, “I stand fast in my decisions that day, as I reacted to the threats that I perceived at that time.”
[…]
Earlier Tuesday, Sgt. Sanick P. Dela Cruz testified that after the deaths Tatum said he disapproved of how the United States was waging war and wished troops had more leeway to shoot.

Tatum poked fun at a squadmate who asked permission before shooting and said he thought war should be fought the way it was in Scripture, “where you just go in the city and kill every living thing,” Dela Cruz said.

I posted that at my place and I was just stuck for words.

Someone should read that on the senate floor.

57. Sabrina Ballerina - 17 July 2007

It’s hard work being an enforcer of the ‘rules’ at dk. Because the site is not what it pretends to be, it is hard to have a set of rules that don’t need constant adjustment.

What is obvious is that right-leaning members are far more welcome than progressives and the site is littered with ‘former’ Republicans, DLCers and now we find out, even FPers who are NOT Democrats. So what are we to make of the vaunted Rules, especially this very clearly stated rule, in light of the latest revelations

FRom Catnip’s post above:

Daily Kos FAQ –

This site is primarily a Democratic site, with a heavy emphasis on progressive politics. It is not intended for Republicans, or conservatives.

Is a diary welcoming Fox News viewers in line with that rule? And should FPer Darksyde who now admits that he is not a Democrat, step down?

Well, according to one of dk’s most ‘concerned’ -troll- and conscientious enforcers of the rules –

“people of conservative views” is NOT (0 / 0)

the same thing as “conservatives”

I touched the Universe — And back it slid — and I alone — A Speck upon a Ball — Went out upon Circumference — Beyond the Dip of Bell –

by Elise on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 07:20:29 PM MDT

she lies Catnip

With ease, as usual … but not very convincingly! Lol!

**********

The more rules they make, the more trouble they get into. Not a week goes by that they don’t have to twist themselves into pretzels trying to adjust the rules to fit some situation, or someone they want to get rid of, or someone they want to protect. They invoke the rules more than the US Military, or any other organization I’ve ever been involved with, and yet, no one is ever clear on what the rules are.

How long more before they have to tell the truth? It would be so much easier on them. All the progressives could just leave and maybe pool their resources and start their own site. And leave daily kos to those who are welcome there. But they can’t have it both ways – not for very much longer ….

**********

Marisacat, those two posts from DD – you could find similar contradictory posts from elise and others who ‘work the site’. Once the ‘rules’ are provided, they will blindly try to enforce them no matter how wrong they are. And they will change their minds without question, when instructed to do so and do a complete turnaround. Then they wonder why they are always scrambling and fighting with everyone, and why people just walk away in disgust.

58. liberalcatnip - 17 July 2007

They invoke the rules more than the US Military, or any other organization I’ve ever been involved with, and yet, no one is ever clear on what the rules are.

Interesting, isn’t it? And then they think they have to repeat themselves over and over and over again in the same diary (like the torture diary posted on Sheehan’s behalf) because they fear they won’t be heard when they don’t even know what the hell they’re talking about. They rave about their “self-policing community” but they’re too scared to allow it to work. Fear, insecurity, impotence, weakness – not a good resume for so-called leaders.

59. liberalcatnip - 17 July 2007

John Thune is an idiot. Apparently he doesn’t think there are US troops in Afghanistan. “If we move our troops into Afghanistan, they’ll start killing us there.”

60. Sabrina Ballerina - 17 July 2007

I wore my good pyjamas for this?? catnip

Lol!

Catnip, that whole Haditha story is just horrific. And it’s not the only one. Those poor people, the children and I can’t imagine the terror! I hate this administration! Really, I’ve tried not to hate them just to get them out of power so they can do no more harm. But they knew this would happen, that’s why they withdrew from the World Court! So, yes, they’ve made me hate them and Congress ignores all of this and says ‘they’re not worth impeaching’. Thanks Nancy. Ask the people of Iraq what they think –

61. D. Throat - 17 July 2007

Naw… Luscious Vagina is still pimping for Hilliary … who must be looking at some nasty internals and therefore has decided to speak at a Planned Parenthood event. As some of you may recall, when Hilliary started her campaign in earnest (the day after the 2004 election) she stepped in the race advocating for Abstinence Only sex ed … which have been proven to do more harm than good.

MCat: it was only 60,000 people who showed up for the Iowa caucus… and there was Carville and Begala on teevee stating that the race was OVER…. the people had decided.

62. ms_xeno - 17 July 2007

For DD/LV, or whomever:

Shared or Joint monopoly refers to anticompetitive behaviour by firms, normally an oligopoly, in order to secure monopoly profits for the firms as a group. Essentially, shared monopoly requires some form of collusion but stops short of being a formal cartel. It is therefore similar to tacit collusion. In a shared monopoly firms may not compete for the same customers and have instead local monopolies.

Context:
Since in theory industry profits under a non-coordinated oligopoly will be less than those under monopoly, there is some incentive for firms in an oligopoly to attempt to coordinate their actions so as to achieve profits nearer the monopoly solution.

Courtesy the OECD Glossary of Statistics.

You work for half a shared monopoly, my sweet-tempered little Orange Capo. That’s why it’s so easy for you to kiss the GOP and kick bona-fide Lefties simultaneously.

Go ahead and beat on the likes of Sheehan if that’s really how you must get your jollies, but try and keep in mind that many of us had it figured out long before the wake-up call with which she so cruelly sullied your precious blue/red linens. It’s been obvious for some time, and you can unite your squad’s nasty pea-brains toward spinning, wriggling, and dancing until the cows come home. But that doesn’t change who you are and how you operate.

63. marisacat - 17 July 2007

Obama Abortion Dodges Blessed by Planned Parenthood

July 17, 2007 12:33 PM

ABC News’ Teddy Davis Reports: When Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., voted “present,” rather than “yes” or “no” on a handful of controversial abortion votes in the Illinois state senate, he did so with the explicit support of the president and CEO of Illinois Planned Parenthood Council.

“We at Planned Parenthood view those as leadership votes,” Pam Sutherland, the president and CEO of the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council, told ABC News. “We worked with him specifically on his strategy. The Republicans were in control of the Illinois Senate at the time. They loved to hold votes on ‘partial birth’ and ‘born alive’. They put these bills out all the time . . . because they wanted to pigeonhole Democrats.”

Speaking to ABC News as Obama was preparing to join Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and the wife of Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., in addressing Planned Parenthood’s national conference in Washington, D.C., Sutherland said Obama approached her in the late 1990s and worked with her and others in crafting the strategy of voting “present.” She remembers meeting with Obama outside of the Illinois Senate chambers on the Democratic side of the aisle. She and Obama finished their conversation in his office.

“He came to me and said: ‘My members are being attacked. We need to figure out a way to protect members and to protect women,'” said Sutherland in recounting her conversation with Obama. “A ‘present’ vote was hard to pigeonhole which is exactly what Obama wanted.”

“What it did,” she continued, “was give cover to moderate Democrats who wanted to vote with us but were afraid to do so” because of how their votes would be used against them electorally. “A ‘present’ vote would protect them. Your senator voted ‘present.’ Most of the electorate is not going to know what that means.”

While Sutherland was happy to give Obama latitude in voting “present,” rather than “no,” she was quick to note that “it’s also not a ‘yes’ vote.”

As reported by The Wall Street Journal, some of the specific abortion votes in question include two occasions in 1997 (HB 382 and SB 230) when he voted “present” on bills which would have prohibited a procedure referred to by its critics as “partial-birth abortion.” In 2001, he voted “present” on two parental notification abortion bills (HB 1900 and SB 562), and he voted “present” on a series of bills (SB 1093, 1094, 1095) that sought to protect a child if he or she survived a failed abortion.

If Obama makes it to the general election, he can expect the Republican National Committee to use his “present” votes on abortion — and other controversial issues — to paint him as “A Leader Who Has Never Led.”

I’d agree. “Working out a strategy” is what has moved the party to the right. Exactly where they want to be. Note he did this great Mt Mushmore move to “protect women”.

Spare me.

“Nothing quite says principled and strong leadership like a ‘present’ vote on a controversial issue,” RNC spokesman Dan Ronayne told ABC News. “Apparently the rookie didn’t take all his at bats in the minors.”

But while he competes for the Democratic presidential nomination, he can use his cooperation with Planned Parenthood in Illinois to help assure supporters of abortion rights across the country that he will not cross them.

Oh please, he asked for a way out, with cover. And he got it. That is the story, on the surface anyway…

“Obama made sure those bills got as few votes as possible for passage,” said Sullivan.

Wait, there is more. WSJ details the bills he voted present on, don’t miss this one:

Also in 1999, Obama voted “present” on HB 854 that protected the privacy of sex-abuse victims by allowing petitions to have the trial records sealed.

He was the only member to not support the bill.

What is his fucking problem?

And this (I just love political biography written by the pol):

… and he voted “present” on a series of bills (SB 1093, 1094, 1095) that sought to protect a child if it survived a failed abortion. In his book, the “Audacity of Hope,” on page 132, Obama explained his problems with the “born alive” bills, specifically arguing that they would overturn Roe v. Wade.

But he failed to mention that he only felt strongly enough to vote “present” on the bills instead of “no.”

By the way, it is not jsut w/r/t abortion he volleys “present”.

You just have to laugh:

While these votes occurred while Obama and the Democrats were in the minority in the Illinois Senate, in the “Audacity of Hope” (page 130), Obama explained that even as a legislator in the minority,

“You must vote yes or no on whatever bill comes up, with the knowledge that it’s unlikely to be a compromise that either you or your supporters consider fair and or just.”

They must keep extra stock of bullshit around, in case they run out.

(sorry for the length)

64. marisacat - 17 July 2007

DD has long been for criminalisation of abortion, for an abortion ban (oh of course only when a series of never-to-be qualifiers are met) for criminalising women.

Bur now, in the run up to election he moderates… runs to an abortion diary that will be recommended and tacks his comment on at the top of the thread.

65. ms_xeno - 17 July 2007

I suppose it’s too much to hope that Hillary is greeted with a barrage of “safe, legal and rare” rotten fruit when she stands up to speak at PP.

She’s nothing but a parasite on the back of that org, and who knows how many others ?

66. Tuston - 17 July 2007

This is another post and run, but I couldn’t pass up the opportunity to give DelDumbo a little smackdown (thnx for link upthread, Mcat):

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/7/17/2144/61669/251#c251

I wonder if one day I will wake up and find I’m banned? But as long as I pick on the lowest thugs on the totem pole like LV/DD I doubt it

Buenas Nachos, Vipers. I got to get up early (again)

67. liberalcatnip - 17 July 2007

You nailed him, Tuston. Love your Bob Marley sig line. 😉

68. lucid - 18 July 2007

I hate pretend.
and pretense,
and assholes who employ them.

And I hate that it is 3:10 in the morning.
And I’ve gotta work.

nite

69. marisacat - 18 July 2007

oh puhleeze. What I just found in the SPam file:

Maryscott O’Connor | myleftwing@gmail.com | myleftwing.com | IP: 76.173.–.–

Pardon the intrusion, but I’d like to clear something up that someone has alerted me to about someone’s posts here:

No one at MLW has been put on a timeout — EVER. The idea floated around and may still exist in the Community guidelines somewhere, but it has never been used — and certainly NOT on the person claiming so.

– Maryscott O’Connor

Not Spam — Jul 17, 10:22 PM — [ View Post ]

So delicato:

someone and someone.

It is your commenter Donkeytale saying he is on a time out.

Take care of it at YOUR END.

And let me remind you, Blogging Curmudgeon came here whining and bitching and moaning about you, MSOC, and he got no attention. I told him to take it elsewhere.

Here is just ONE of his spammer spasm (he did it across three threads):

The Blogging Curmudgeon | bloggingcurmudgeon@gmail.com | IP: 206.110.–.–

MSOC is now channeling Kos:

According to MSOC, you’re a crybaby if you’re upset about being troll-rated:

”I have, however, turned OFF the ratings system until such time as the less MATURE among us can prove to me that they will not either abuse them OR whine and cry like little fucking children when someone gives them a rating they don’t like. Said whining and crying being ESPECIALLY pointless and annoying given the fact that ratings DON’T MEAN ANYTHING HERE.”

-9.63, -7.03 If I can’t rant, I don’t want to be part of your revolution.
by: Maryscott O’Connor @ Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 07:22:05 AM PST
[ Parent ]

(Note: Armando troll-rated Peeder on MLW for disagreeing with Armando.)

Yep, MSOC is building a paradise over there at MyLeftWing. She’s channeling Kos, for sure:

“…little fucking children…”.

The Curmudgette said it best when she took Armando to task for troll-rating Peeder: “Ratings are a form of communication” on the blogs, including MyLeftWing. And don’t enough troll ratings actually HIDE a comment, thereby removing it from the discussion?

So MSOC is full of shit when she says that “ratings DON’T MEAN ANYTHING HERE.”

Isn’t she the proprietor of MyLeftWing? I would think she’d know as much about her own website as I do.

But you’d be wrong.

Mar 26, 9:33 AM — — View Thread: Well… there’s opera glasses and then there’s…

**********************************

Do better or get a busier blog Msoc…

I consider you a spammer. Seems you fell into the right filter. Rather like Diane W the other night. And Martin. And MB and Del Dem. AND Blog Cudge and Donkeytale.

And so on.

70. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

STOP E-MAILING ME WITH YOUR BULLSHIT ACCUSATIONS, Maryscott. Is that clear enough for you?

71. marisacat - 18 July 2007

Well I am watching John Burns spin for the Eternal Government, on with charlie Rose.

Ricks of the Wapo is up now, not agreeing with JB, who was flagrant in spinning for the war and for how grueling is the great burden that the senate must take up now… Even CR cut him off, so you know he was a drahma queen.

A nation of bullshiters.

72. lucid - 18 July 2007

On a completely different note, why is it that now, when I watch any of the music channels in the middle of the night, I fucking weep for the day in which the late night commercial outlets actually played music?

I can once remember when Radiohead videos from Amnesiac played regularly at 3am… 6 years ago.

Or hell at least play that…

There’s only so much “punk rock” and “hip hop” that I can handle [the punk rock being da-da-da-da da-da-da-da da-da-da-da da-da-da-da & the hip hop being da bitch da da, da da the ho, da smoke that ass, da shoot your cock…

Everything that comes out now has rhythms that literally defy creativity. Straight four – nothing resembling a polyrhythm – nothing…

nothing…

like that Radiohead piano tune from 2001 in 13.

73. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

And after that she gives you a hat tip, mcat, in her diary about Obama. I guess that “dead to me” curse only lasts so long.

Hat tip to Marisacat (!) for alerting me to this old but incredibly relevant op-ed from the WSJ online Opinion Journal…

74. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

I’m rooting for the pig with the green scarf.

75. lucid - 18 July 2007

OK – one more inane observation. I just witnessed a fairly bad note for note version of ‘Working Class Hero’, interspersed with interviews from the survivors from Darfur.

I have every sympathy with the survivors of Darfur. The UN and international community should do everything they can to stop it, short of war… Not that they care that more impoverished Africans are dying, as the international community thrives on the death of impoverished Africans…

But anyhow, how is this song applicable to Darfur?

As soon as your born they make you feel small,
By giving you no time instead of it all,
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school,
They hate you if you’re clever and they despise a fool,
Till you’re so fucking crazy you can’t follow their rules,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
When they’ve tortured and scared you for twenty odd years,
Then they expect you to pick a career,
When you can’t really function you’re so full of fear,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV,
And you think you’re so clever and classless and free,
But you’re still fucking peasents as far as I can see,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
There’s room at the top they are telling you still,
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill,
A working class hero is something to be.
A working class hero is something to be.
If you want to be a hero well just follow me,
If you want to be a hero well just follow me.

This is a song about working class life in Manchester. It has nothing to do with the context of genocide in Darfur.

Not everything is interrelated. While there are universal messages in art, that doesn’t mean that it should be contorted to address a situation that it clearly doesn’t address.

I’m quite sure that John would have been happy to write a song about Darfur. But why is this song contorted?

76. marisacat - 18 July 2007

But why is this song contorted?

Lunatics at the helm, would be my answer… from the spin in the middle of the night to the Leader of the Free World. And that includes whomever wins next go ’round.

77. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

Hillary’s on the floor saying that Iran controls southern Iraq. I wonder if she’s going to join McCain in a chorus of ‘Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran’ next. Damn warmonger.

78. marisacat - 18 July 2007

she is just appalling.

The field is a horror. Creeps, slugs and nepotism.

79. marisacat - 18 July 2007

hmmmmmmm

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:

THE HIGHEST-RANKING AL QAEDA MEMBER IN IRAQ HAS BEEN ARRESTED, THE U.S. MILITARY TELLS THE AP

http://abcnews.go.com?CMP=EMC-1396

LOL NOW can we end the war? NO?

80. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 July 2007

ugh, that Green Day cover of “Working Class Hero” makes me want to break something.

81. colleen - 18 July 2007

For example, a Federal and State program that provides for foster care and adoption, prenatal healthcare, and financial assistance to the expectant mother. that route is available, there would be no need for an abortion.that route or options are not and will not be available under Republicans, and thus that is why I remain Pro-Life yet Pro-Choice.

I hate to pick on Melrath because he is, after all, typical of the sort of pathological vector and deeply flawed human being the Catholic church churns out and calls ‘men’ but please, couldn’t someone make him shut the fuck up?
I would rather have a shooting war than live in a country where any aspect of my life is dictated by dishonest, shallow, nasty little boys.

82. colleen - 18 July 2007

I couldn’t pass up the opportunity to give DelDumbo a little smackdown

Thank you Tucson and a good job too. I note that he troll rated you for quoting some of his revolting ‘nuanced’ positions.
I swear that fantasizing about what he would and would not allow women to do when he (or some other fat, white Catholic guy) is running the Inquisition is Jason’s notion of foreplay. How fundie of him.

83. keirdubois - 18 July 2007

lucid, I believe you’re referring to “Pyramid Song” above, no? I didn’t even know there was a time signature- thought the drummer just followed Yorke’s bizarro piano rhythm out of the goodness of his heart. Or so thought the bassist who is a slave to the wills of drummers.

That first line sure is a creepy thing to come out of an Oxford townie- “jumped in the river what did I see?/black-eyed angels swam with me”

84. lucid - 18 July 2007

Keir – indeed it is. I actually saw the video on VH1 in the middle of the night once before I got the album & was mesmerized.

I’d have to give it a listen but I think it’s either 13 or 15 [two of my favorite time signatures by the way] I’m one of those that goes by the Bruford school of time.

Speaking of which, when the hell are they going to release an album again. Their last 3 are among my favorites of all time.

85. Revisionist - 18 July 2007

************BREAKING NEWS*****************

AFTER AN ALL-NIGHT DEBATE, SENATE REPUBLICANS HAVE BLOCKED A DEMOCRATIC EFFORT TO REMOVE AMERICAN COMBAT TROOPS FROM IRAQ BY THE END OF APRIL 2008 BY A VOTE OF 52 TO 47

86. ms_xeno - 18 July 2007

I still recommend Fay Victor as the antidote to musical exasperation.

Turn it around and twist it
Roll it in a tube
Jump on it and smash it
Trash it
Stake your life on it and God’s too
Sell it as a business
Better make a profit
Manipulate and print it
Get it in your head get it in your head get it in your head
Turn upside down and dream it
Sleep on it and milk it
Eat it and then drink it drink it
Swallow it and think it
Ride ride ride and fly high smile for the camera
And get it in your head get it in your head get it in your head
That’s what the man said that’s what he said
Staying out of bed you might get pumped full of dread and be left for dead
If you don’t believe it, if you don’t perceive the gentle assertions, coercion
Can you feel it can you feel it can you feel it ?

— “Spin” from *Carwheels Through The Cosmos*

87. ms_xeno - 18 July 2007

Don’t worry, colleen. They’ll still allow their mistresses to abort. Hell, they’ll demand it. Breeding is only for Wifey.

88. lucid - 18 July 2007

Let me guess… Nelson & Lieberman?

89. lucid - 18 July 2007

[new] I’m well-known for giving people slack … (21+ / 0-)
Recommended by:clonecone, taylormattd, shayera, ablington, Ahianne, Goldfish, mcfly, Gator Keyfitz, vcmvo2, Elise, sbdenmon, bartman, kovie, Nightprowlkitty, Distaste for Dissent, buhdydharma, KenBee, Marcus Tullius, DemocraticLuntz, GoldnI, Runs With Scissors
…but I refuse to give people like you another inch of it. Your methods make you as useful to the cause of impeachment – which I strongly support – as an agent provocateur. You are exactly the kind of person that destroyed the New Left, a bomb-tosser, albeit a verbal one. And you richly deserve the Troll-ratings you’ve just received. I say this as someone who has probably given 20 Troll ratings in the four years the site has offered that option to TUs.

I’m sick of people who claim they’re the only ones who care about the country and about democracy, and that their political strategy is the only one that is worth anything, and that anybody who disagrees with them is obviously a moron, a traitor, and a coward.

Can we hold out this long?

by Meteor Blades on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 01:05:04 AM EDT

Listen to your own words Mr. Blades. Listen to your own words…

[This is in response to a Rusty1776 hidden comment – guess he wasn’t ‘autobanned’ – oh, that’s right there is no autoban and Kos makes all banning decisions & he’s on vacation].

90. jam.fuse - 18 July 2007

Salutations all. Recently returned from a l’il vacation at Manhattan Central Booking on a trumped up DWI charge, which I think stands for Driving While Insane in my case. Lovely fellows, those NYPD, always happy, laughing, having a good time…

Here’s a bit of a jailhouse rhyme I was working on while ‘inside’ for about twenty of your earth hours:

Plastic shrapnel in the chapel of Babel
Saddle up rabble
They’re herding us like cattle
Time for the final battle
Is it life or the death rattle?
Worms grapple drinking the blood
from the poisoned apple
like it was a Diet Snapple
Word to Miss Crabapple [Simpsons reference]
Our lives they trample
Give us reasons ample
to resample the Constitution,
will this improve the solution?
Or is it time for Revolution?

Oh Old Giuliani had a farm E I E I O
and on that farm he had some pigs E I E I O
With a grunt grunt here
and a snort snort there…

I’ll be performing these and other happy tunes at Rev Jen’s open mike tonight tween ten and one at Mo Pitkin’s in en wye cee.

Me about four threads behind, lotta catching up to do…

91. jam.fuse - 18 July 2007

This is in response to a Rusty1776 hidden comment

Hi Lucid you crazy nut… could you or another ‘trusted abuser’ post said comment? I’d love to read it. Muchos Garcias.

92. marisacat - 18 July 2007

ugh I overslept.

Revisionist… what a hoot. They did not even manage a majority.

Pathetic.

93. ms_xeno - 18 July 2007

…You are exactly the kind of person that destroyed the New Left…

MB = “The New Left ?”

Too bad somebody didn’t strangle it in the crib, before it could open its pathetic mouth. Jeebus. Does that clown ever do anything but whine and point fingers at everyone except himself, all the while pining for some Good Old Days that never existed except in his own atrophied brain ?

94. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 July 2007

Here’s Rusty’s great comment (he has huge support btw, because the time for politeness is way, way past) that the gang hid:

Recommended by:enough already, blueoasis

Trollrated by:Meteor Blades, clonecone, DHinMI, MissLaura, taylormattd, ablington, vcmvo2, Elise, kovie, buhdydharma, KenBee, PhantomFly
respectfully put forward reasons that Bush and crew should not be impeached.

After SEVEN YEARS of abuses of power and obstructions of justice by these Bush/Cheney CRIMINALS, refusing to support Impeachment is OBSCENE!

WHAT DOES DAMAGE TO THIS SITE AND TO THE ENTIRE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT, AND PERHAPS TO THE SURVIVAL OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY ITSELF, IS FUCKING IDIOTS WHO STILL WANT TO INDULGE THE OPINIONS OF PEOPLE SO APPALLINGLY STUPID AS TO THINK THERE ARE ANY OPTIONS LEFT OTHER THAN IMPEACHMENT.

WHAT SHOULD WORRY YOU, DEVILSTOWER, IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IF THESE BUSH/CHENEY CRIMINALS ARE NOT IMPEACHED WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

As you can clearly see it’s the usual gang who have attempted to stop those who want accountability for months now. And Meteor Blades playing both sides of fence as usual, but he always supports that mob.

This was emailed to me last night …. the country is as outraged as Rusty is. He speaks for the people who elected Democrats to stop the corruption and this war. DK cannot stop the people from demanding from their Reps that they do something, and Rusty is right. They can ban him from their little site, but he’s just expressing what people are calling their Reps all over the country, and telling them in no uncertain terms.

They want Buhdy gone also …. I don’t know why he stays because he has a huge following there and if he goes they will also …. the Feingold Diary should have told them what they are up against.

95. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 July 2007

What I’d like to know is why they paniced over that comment? I hear more outrage than that expressed by people WHO VOTED FOR BUSH in real life every day! That is mild compared to what people are saying. If Demcrats continue to cover for these criminals by sayiing ‘we have more important work to do’ they will be hearing daily from not only their base, but from Independents and even Republicans who want these people GONE!

96. marisacat - 18 July 2007

oh he dared to use caps. O my. he yelled.

Love seeing them gang up together to troll rate.

The gas fumes over there must be intense.

Bloat. And long since, seriously crazy on their tiny island.

97. marisacat - 18 July 2007

I’m sick of people who claim they’re the only ones who care about the country and about democracy, and that their political strategy is the only one that is worth anything, and that anybody who disagrees with them is obviously a moron, a traitor, and a coward.

Sayeth the Beard.

LOL that is the exact MO of Dkos. I remember when they started the call out of,

well what are you doing? If you have not stood up and run for precinct captain [insert other valuable acts] then you cannot speak.

they have been doing that for years. Only THEY are saving the nation. ONLY MB is the smart left that went inside is an operative. And god knows when that began. I still say, at too many hot spots across 40 years.

Or as I call it:

Saving! The! Nation!!!

98. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 July 2007

Jam-fuse, that’s the comment they are having a stroke over! Lol! And as you can see, NO ONE joined the gang in troll-rating it, because the majority, even on their own board, agrees with Rusty.

That little box contains the names of those who have been trying to stop any talk of impeachment since last fall. But some who used to support them, now no longer do, because as Rusty says, there are no other options left. The criminals are laughing at the people, refusing to respond to subpeonas, as was predicted, and we have Democrats saying ‘let’s move on’! It is an outrage!

So GO RUSTY! And all of those, hundreds of ‘kossacks’ who told Feingold to take their excuses and shove them this week. They’ll have to ban the entire membership if they want to silence the people re getting these crooks out of our government …. I hope they do!

99. marisacat - 18 July 2007

SB

I really don’t think it is so much WHAT you say, as have they targetted you.

They go after the voices that cut thru.

100. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

Gee jam.fuse, I didn’t hear anything about your experience on CNN. Then again, silly me, only spoiled heiresses who have run ins with the judicial system really matter.

Glad to hear you’re out in one piece.

101. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

I’m sick of people who claim they’re the only ones who care about the country and about democracy, and that their political strategy is the only one that is worth anything, and that anybody who disagrees with them is obviously a moron, a traitor, and a coward.

Misdirected anger. He might want to send that to Armando.

102. jam.fuse - 18 July 2007

Thanks libcat.

Though I’ve a theory P. Hilton’s run in with the ‘law’ was but a ploy calculated for ‘street cred’ enhancement.

103. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 July 2007

Attention Meteor Blade!! It was the anti-impeachment crowd who called people, like Opol and hundreds of people who rec’d his diary ‘Bushshit’ anti-American. Check out your buddy Hekeofajob’s diary where in the diary, last Fall, he called those people ‘anti-American. That’s where it started! And not ONE ‘administrator’ came into that diary and asked him to erase it.

It’s laughable to see him try to twist it all around now. Hypocrites, and people do not forget being called antia-American in a diary that was not condemned by the same crowd now acting all outraged over something far less overt. They are a joke! The record is there, they should thinking that people are stupid. They are not! As one of 300 or so people who rec’d that diary, I waited for someone, like Meteor Blades to condemn as he now so righteously condemns others, but of course he did not.

That’s when I began to realize that DK was not the place for anyone serious about doing something about the condition this country is in. We are better off working locally, as people are doing across the country, to force these so-called Reps of the people to do their jobs. That’s what will change things. Let the ridiculous troll-raters stay on their little blog, and whine. How silly and petty they look … and how right Rusty is …..

104. marisacat - 18 July 2007

Their bullshit is when I started to use “Inconvenient Voice of the Voter”…

citizen, voter. Sorry chumps and operatives, it has to be enough. And it is.

LOL Just not for them. ‘Cuz they are operatives – and wanna bes.

O P E R A T I V E that ws always the name that stung their tiny thin skinned hides the most.

105. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 July 2007

Marisacat, I agree and they have targeted several people in their little email lists. The only reason they couldn’t get them was because of the huge support they have ….

As for Meteor Blades laughable statement:

I’m sick of people who claim they’re the only ones who care about the country and about democracy, and that their political strategy is the only one that is worth anything, and that anybody who disagrees with them is obviously a moron, a traitor, and a coward.

So are we, MB, just plain sick of obnoxious operators, consultants, wannabes and DLCers and all you dk ‘administrators’ claiming to be the only ones whose ‘political strategy is the only one that is worth anything and that anyone who disagrees with them is obviously a moron, a traitor, and a coward’. Check your own site!! And as Armando likes to say, ‘look in the mirror’! You’re just upset because your bullies have no power over the outrage of the people who went along with scam until after the election and now have watched for seven long, deadly months as more and crimes are committed, while the Dems roll over again and again and we, the people, realize that it is NOT political strategy we need, it is action!

Just saw the news, the Repubs win again … great Political Strategy we’re witnessing! How many more years would MB like us to play these deadly games? As I said, ‘Go Rusty’ – and all the other Rustys out there who are busy doing what is right, now what is ‘political’!

106. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

Just saw the news, the Repubs win again … great Political Strategy we’re witnessing!

Oh be nice now. The Dems are doing the “hard” and “important” work. Impeachment is SO 1990s. (snort)

107. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

Though I’ve a theory P. Hilton’s run in with the ‘law’ was but a ploy calculated for ’street cred’ enhancement.

Maybe next time she could just join a gang. Perhaps Elise could advise her. There must be a FAB fashion street gang out there somewhere.

108. lucid - 18 July 2007

I really don’t think it is so much WHAT you say, as have they targetted you.

They go after the voices that cut thru.

Bingo! Because I only had 1 recommended diary, I pretty much stayed out of I/P threads, and I rarely directly took on the Fp’ers and troll cops, I could get away with saying pretty much anything. It might have helped that I never got into flame wars too.

109. marisacat - 18 July 2007

hey jam.fuse

glad you made it thru, after a stay with the city cops…

😉

110. lucid - 18 July 2007

Jam.fuse – sorry to hear of your soujourn in the joint. I barely esacped once during the Rudy era when after a show my drummer & another friend and I were stupid enough to smoke a joint on 9th ave. They got stuck in jail for 36 hours, I got to deal with getting our equipment home without any help. I think I got the better end of that bargain.

111. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

re that al Qaeda arrest, from TPM: “First off, the capture took place two weeks ago but was not announced until today.”

112. colleen - 18 July 2007

I’m sick of people who claim they’re the only ones who care about the country and about democracy, and that their political strategy is the only one that is worth anything, and that anybody who disagrees with them is obviously a moron, a traitor, and a coward.

Somebody should post a warning sign when Tim writes crap like this. ” Warning! Steep Winding Irony Ahead! Watch for Rolling Hyperbole!

So, why is he hanging out with and supporting people and an enterprise that do/which does precisely that?

113. misssheiladevore - 18 July 2007

delaware douchebag has written his challenge diary:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/18/14726/1751

114. Revisionist - 18 July 2007

Jam Fuse. On out of 2 people I know have one. Unless there is a technicality that prevents it from going to trial YOU WILL LOSE. Its a complete racket. Inthe next day or so I bet your mailbox is full of at least 50 offers from attorneys to represent you..

The lawyers are useless. Everyone gets the exact same sentance for a first time offense. The only thing an attorony can do is get the charge reduced to to another offense. All the punsiment is usually the same but you just dont get a DUI on your record.

Fighting it would probably cost around $5K minimum.

Depending on your life circumstances, the best thing you can do is plead no contest and request jail time. You might get an anklet or a work release which means that you spend the night at some facility. 8pm -7amish. It would all be over in two weeks. Otherwise its usually a bunch of classes, possibility of having to do some rehab program and two or so years of probation which means you have to check in with some unpleasant person every month. Technically you are supposed to clear everything with them like just leaving the city. Lots of ways to get you once the state is on your back. And all the while they will be charging you fees for this and that.

Most cities also offer community service to pay the fine as well. Seems to average about $1000.

It really boils down to if you want to spend a few $100 or a few $1000.

115. misssheiladevore - 18 July 2007

#113–awwww, already deleted.

116. D. Throat - 18 July 2007

Luscious Vagina is such a frustrated twat….

They believe that the majority of the Daily Kos community disagrees with the above statements. That, being that Daily Kos is SO right wing, we would of course want to give up our rights out of fear, we don’t want to provide for the elderly, the disabled and children, we want to torture everyone just for fun, etc., etc., etc.

I called their bluff and told them I would post a diary and a poll. So here it is.

He is such a lying piece of shit:
Here is what Sabrina said:

Lol, ‘no wars’ – under Reagan! As long as people are willing to remain ignorant, ‘he will be remembered well’ and as long as the media and radical right make sure the truth is never told, true, he will be remembered well. But to see such ignorance on a ‘progressive’ site is stunning really.

All these labels, ‘far left’ and ‘far right’ are bs anyway, they are meant to divide people. Once you have the labels, all you need are two boxes to slap them on.

It is not ‘far’ anything, it is about ‘right’ and ‘wrong’! So is believing the following ‘far left’ or ‘far right’?

1) It’s wrong for the government to lie about reasons for going to war to scare the public into supporting it.

2) It’s wrong to kill people in foreign countries in order to steal their resources.

3) It’s wrong under any circumstances to torture people.

4) It’s wrong to mix religion and government

5) It’s right to provide health-care for everyone, not just for those who can afford it.

6) The death-penalty is wrong. Our judicial system is about justice not revenge.

7) It’s wrong to try to inflict one’s own beliefs re abortion etc on others whether it is to say abortion is either right or wrong.

8) It’s right to provide for the elderly, the disabled and children.

9) Mandatory sentencing is wrong.

10) the drug laws need to be repealed. They have become more of a threat than the original problem. Drug and alcohol use is a personal decision so long as it does not harm anyone else.

11)It is wrong to give up a single freedom out of fear. Terrorism should be dealt with as a crime.

12) It is wrong not to prosecute and hold accountable, presidents and all other elected officials when they break the law.

Probably someone should set up a poll asking ‘is this right or wrong’ at dk. Anyway, there’s probably a lot more but that’s how I feel about a few of the issues that imo, determine what kind of society we want to live in. I do not want to live in a society that does not care about people. And now I feel that’s where I am living and I object!

_____

Disingenuous bastard:

They believe that the majority of the Daily Kos community disagrees with the above statements.

117. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 July 2007

Lol, thank god I don’t have to be ‘nice’ – that’s the good thing about not being on a site where operators are protecting ‘The Party’ from hearing as Marisacat calls it so beautifully ‘The Inconvenient Voice of the People’ – that would be Rusty and the millions of other outraged Americans who if they were to view that thread would troll-rate every one of those obnoxious operators into oblivion.

They are getting no support from anyone but the usual gang. That ought to tell them something. Poor Meteor could only get support from the same people who everyone now knows are the operators and a few wannabes. 21 recs for his little diatribe! And look at the names!

But this is a laugh from one of them:

Thank you, Meteor
Recommended by:vcmvo2, Elise, bartman, KenBee, Runs With Scissors

from all of us. This had to be said, and you said it so well.

And it’s strange that you used the term “agent provocateur” as that was one of the terms that came to mind to me tonight as I was wondering what to call these people. The only question to me being whether he’s a self-appointed one, or helping to advance a larger, undeclared agenda. I’m assuming that it’s the former as I have no evidence to support the latter, but it’s ironic how much his crap feeds right into such efforts.

People do this site and cause no good when they behave in this intolerable manner.

“We have many arrows in our quiver, and we are sharpening them.” — Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi

by kovie on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 12:42:40 AM PDT

Kovie, the crybaby who runs over to daddy Armando to cry over how terrible it is that so many ‘voters’ don’t agree with HIS political strategy because they are all so dumb, or whatever. Lol! And note, again, only the same names show up.

Too bad he’s not willing to join Rusty and the rest of us and use some of those ‘arrows’ he has in his ‘quiver’. Or maybe some of that ‘dry powder’ which seems to have blown away.

Posting Rusty’s comment again because I cut off some of it by accident, and well, because I think it’s a GREAT COMMENT and it annoys them so they had to hide it. Really they are way too thin-skinned to be able to handle the dire situation we are now in. Just as well they have chosen ‘political strategy’ rather than action, ‘cos they’d just be a liability anyhow:

There is NO WAY to (2+ / 12-)

Recommended by:enough already, blueoasis

Trollrated by:Meteor Blades, clonecone, DHinMI, MissLaura, taylormattd, ablington, vcmvo2, Elise, kovie, buhdydharma, KenBee, PhantomFly
respectfully put forward reasons that Bush and crew should not be impeached.

After SEVEN YEARS of abuses of power and obstructions of justice by these Bush/Cheney CRIMINALS, refusing to support Impeachment is OBSCENE!

WHAT DOES DAMAGE TO THIS SITE AND TO THE ENTIRE PROGRESSIVE MOVEMENT, AND PERHAPS TO THE SURVIVAL OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY ITSELF, IS FUCKING IDIOTS WHO STILL WANT TO INDULGE THE OPINIONS OF PEOPLE SO APPALLINGLY STUPID AS TO THINK THERE ARE ANY OPTIONS LEFT OTHER THAN IMPEACHMENT.

WHAT SHOULD WORRY YOU, DEVILSTOWER, IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IF THESE BUSH/CHENEY CRIMINALS ARE NOT IMPEACHED WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

by Rusty1776 on Tue Jul 17, 2007 at 06:29:31 PM PDT

I seem to remember Meteor Blades saying he doesn’t trollrate people, and doesn’t really like the rating system, maybe on one of his visits here! He’s losing it, and has now outed himself by siding with the gang openly. He’s done by quietly in the past by rec’ing their comments when they go after Voters, but now he has fully revealed himself and could only get approval from the usual suspects.

118. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 July 2007

Lol, D.Throat, he didn’t dare include my question about supporting Democrats who voted against those interests, did he? I haven’t checked the diary ….. I would be very surprised if he had the nerve to do so.

119. colleen - 18 July 2007

He’s done by quietly in the past by rec’ing their comments when they go after Voters, but now he has fully revealed himself and could only get approval from the usual suspects.

He is to Daily Kos as Alan Colmes is to FOX news.

120. ms_xeno - 18 July 2007

You know, I’ve lost track of how many times here and elsewhere I’ve given the Overton Window speech. Hell, I was giving it before I knew that it had the name Overton Window. So has Madman, and many others I’m acquainted with here and elsewhere.

If MB were as smart as he believes himself to be, he would stop seeing people like me as the cause of all his problems. He would instead see us as one component to be used in getting what he wants. I’m not going to post the details of how this works again. The GOP certainly understands how it works. Those in Orangeland and the like who need to understand it the most will clearly never take the time to do so. They’d rather scapegoat, and protect corporate/electoral hegemony. They will continue to live in abject misery, though in some cases they will be materially well-compensated for it. All the while getting very little of what they want (see SB’s checklist) or claim to want, but basking in the satisfaction of treating people like me as the proverbial “face at the bottom of the well.” Hey, our leaders show us never-ending contempt and every word they say is a lie, including all the conjunctions, but at least I’M a TEAM PLAYER, not a silly crackpot-subversive who RUINS EVERYTHING, like THEM !! I BATHE !!! That’s about the level of discourse. Sort of like when that egotistical prick Dan Savage starts talking about politics. Who could forget his immortal treatise: “Ewww… Greens. They SMELL.”

The new verse is always the same as the first. I hope SB is correct in her assertion that their numbers are shrinking daily, and soon they will just be left to babble at each other.

121. jam.fuse - 18 July 2007

Thanks everyone.

Other than having to hire a lawyer, facing a possible (goddess forbid) up to six month ‘alcohol counseling’ class (ha ha) or some shit (which would considerably delay my flight from this hellish nation), I am faced with the Kafkaesque problem of reclaiming my automobile which, unfortunatly, is registered under the name of my late great dear departed old man (or should I say sire) which I am told is impossible until the title is transferred to my name somehow (which of course should have been done long ago).

I must remember the fact that I live and have lived (knock wood) quite a privileged lifestyle, other than that thirty year or so anxiety attack.

Funny how a bunch of well wishing strangers on a message board can bring a tear to an old weirdo’s eye…

122. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 July 2007

Yes, Colleen and I think people are beginning to realize that.

Re Delaware Dem’s diary. He apparently is lying so I dare him to post what I did say about how Kossacks would vote, if he has the nerve:

120. Sabrina Ballerina – 17 July 2007

To Delaware Dem – check D. Throat’s post #119, re your request to have Cindy Sheehan banned because despite the fact that she did more to get Dems elected in 2006 than anyone else by exposing Bush for what he was, not to mention she has a personal stake in seeing those who are the cause of her son’s death brought to justice, all it took to get you to want her banned, was that she insulted a political party, your party. If you don’t see the complete unimportance of that in light of the enormous wrongs she is trying to correct, I do not know what to say!

I will look forward to your diary, and I fully expect that most will agree with me, how can they not?

However if you include in your poll this question …..

Would you support a Democrat who has voted against legislation that would have ensured any of the above rights for all Americans? Yes or No

…… we will see the dis-connect between saying you support what is ‘right’ and acting on it. And because, like spoiled children, career politicians pay no price for voting against the interests of the American people, we are nowhere near achieving the kind of society you say you and the majority of kossacks would agree they want.

The truth is too many Demcorats have voted against the interests of the American people and because of Party Loyalty they have no reason to fear consequences from the people they work for.

This is what I object to on daily kos. Democrats ‘right or wrong’. And the stupidity of telling them in advance that no matter what they do (see 12 Senate Dems who voted for the MCA) they ‘will get my vote’!

Do you not see that you cannot say you support a decent society and at the same time vote for indecent politicians?

Cindy Sheehan agrees with all the above also …. she insulted the Democratic Party … she has also insulted the Republican Party. 58% of Americans now say they want a third party.

You asked for her to be banned – if she was wrong in her statements about the party, why not point out what errors you believed she made? Why ignore everything else about her? If you cannot see how extreme your reaction is then you are willfully blind.

Part of my ‘decent’ society would also include taking into account a person’s overall contributions to that society. In Sheehan’s case, and maybe you have forgotten the atmophere in the country when she took a stand against this administration, I will not forget what it meant to see someone stand up and ask what the media refused to ask ‘What is this war all about, really George and please, don’t lie. What is the noble cause’?

I’m paraphrasing, but that’s what the cowards in DC (Democrats especially, from whom we expected more) and the US Media were too afraid to ask. And then the rest of the country felt free to ask also. She woke them up. You don’t have to like her to see how important her contribution was to changing the perception of this adminsitration.

Yet, Daily Kos went ballistic because of an insult against the Dem Party, right or wrong that does not warrant silencing her. It warrants discussion. If she turns out to be wrong, she could and probably would apologize.

But in my decent society which is about ‘right and wrong’ rather than ‘left and right’ Daily Kos’ record of ganging up on and driving off the site, thousands of Democrats, Liberals and Progressives, is just plain wrong. And, btw, I’m not in favor of driving away conservatives either. I am in favor of educating people not ‘mocking and shaming’ them, nor labelling them with the de-humanizing tags simply because of differences of opinion! .

And that is why I am discussing this with you, despite how I abhor your behavior on that site, you are too a human being who just might be persuaded to change their views, those that are imo, wrong. Yeah, I know, I’m probably way too optiminstic …. but if this country is ever to be ‘taken back’ as everyone likes to say, the methods used on Daily Kos will not do it. Because they are no different than those used on rightwing sites Daily Kos claimed to so despise.

No, he will not post that in his diary, I am willing to bet – and if I am wrong, I will apologize …..

123. D. Throat - 18 July 2007

The twit already deleted the diary …. however has it on their screen please save it…. but what ever you do …don’t refresh your screen or you will lose this gem like I just did.

124. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

Which DD diary are you guys talking about?

125. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

Oh, thanks D. Throat. I was wondering why I couldn’t find it. Btw, I gave you a h/t at my place yesterday for your link to that Vatican documentary.

126. D. Throat - 18 July 2007

See how the sleazy White Boyz lie:

ny special reason you don’t tell us the name (1+ / 0-)

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of the website? The premise seems so ridiculous as to be unbelievable.

In 2000, a criminal became President. In 2004, we failed to remove him.
American Democracy, 1787-2004, RIP

by davewill on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 11:43:24 AM PDT

*
They do not deserve the traffic. (4+ / 0-)

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taylormattd, dansk47, davewill, roger in DE

In order to find his equal an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

by Delaware Dem on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 11:44:51 AM PDT

[ Parent ]
o
And by the way (3+ / 0-)

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Delaware Dem, andgarden, justalittlebitcrazy

they don’t really believe most Kossacks are conservatives. They are despicable liars, banned malcontents, and conspiracy theorists. One of them frequently claims HIV does not cause AIDS.

Rudy Giuliani sux .

by taylormattd on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 11:48:25 AM PDT

[ Parent ]

127. jam.fuse - 18 July 2007

Thanks Revisionist. From what the court appointed lawyer told me it might not be quite as grim as you say, but we shall see. Really I just want to escape this hellhole of ‘freedom’ asap. I’ll keep you all posted, I suppose.

128. marisacat - 18 July 2007

well jam.fuse

but for being stopped at Customs and Immigration if you were to return – and hauled off for ‘unresolved lack of responsibility to the state’ (in the world of no, none, not a drop of habeas corpus things will get worse, what a shock) I’d say blow this fucked nation. And walk away from the foolishness.

Agree with Revisionist, it is a con game. You can play nice and hope they deal it down.

My sympathies on bureacracy with the car…

129. D. Throat - 18 July 2007

Sleazy…skeeezy White Boyz

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also (2+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
Delaware Dem, justalittlebitcrazy

your poll is clearly going to be freeped at some point. There is already one vote for “disagree with all”. What a joke. Everyone who goes around regularly espousing right wing crap get TRed.

Rudy Giuliani sux .

by taylormattd on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 11:50:41 AM PDT

[ Parent ]
o
Oh yes, I fully expect them to freep it. (2+ / 0-)

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But that will only reveal them as the dishonest liars that they are.

In order to find his equal an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

by Delaware Dem on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 11:54:10 AM PDT

[ Parent ]
+
DD, I’m confused — did you pull your diary, or?? (1+ / 0-)

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Delaware Dem

what happened?

… shut up and eat a hot dog!

by PhillyGal on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 12:05:17 PM PDT

[ Parent ]
#
I pulled it. This diary was ill advised. (0 / 0)

They were going to freep the poll. But in the end, I really need to stop paying attention to the liars over there. So that’s it. I am quitting Mcat cold turkey.

In order to find his equal an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

by Delaware Dem on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 12:15:36 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

130. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

I pulled it. This diary was ill advised. (1+ / 0-)

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PhillyGal

They were going to freep the poll. But in the end, I really need to stop paying attention to the liars over there. So that’s it. I am quitting Mcat cold turkey.

In order to find his equal an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

by Delaware Dem on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 01:15:36 PM MDT

Get the patch, Mr Vagina. Get the patch.

131. Revisionist - 18 July 2007

Jam… Oh NO!!!!! They are charging by the day probably. I had a silimar issue on a different offense. My problem was that the car was a lease. It adds up pretty quick.

The “classes” can have some consequences depending on where you are. While there is usually no testing involved in the probation, you can tricked into agreeing to mandatory testing in these programs. You can give them the right to just show up at your place of employment or home to see how you are doing. some classes are 3 nights a week for 4 hours at a pop. 5 minutes late and you dont get credit and you get reported to probation. All kinds of stuff. It ends up boiling down to if someone takes a disliking to you. I have 20 years of horror stories I could tell.

132. D. Throat - 18 July 2007

So what is it DD? (0 / 0)

I am sorry, but in my opinion, there is no place on Daily Kos for the airing of [insulting and slandering left wing] talking points or a defense of [insulting and slandering left wing] ideals as I have seen in this diary. It disgusts me that it [might be] on the Recommended List. It is as if we Democrats are battered wives, and our batterer has said something nice to us for the first time in a long while, and so we are in love with him again.

The [Insulting and Slandering Left Wing] is our enemy. They are evil and hateful. Their beliefs about America are unAmerican. Their ideals will destroy America.

Never should a defense of those ideals be given the time of day here at Daily Kos, no matter how civil. They get all of the [bottom of the blogosphere] to spread their lies. Why should they have Daily Kos?

Apparently things are not as Right and Wrong or as Hare and Scorpion as they appear.

Why is anyone who isn’t “straight and true dKos” getting their ideas aired by you?

Can you have it both ways?

by chrississippi on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 12:00:39 PM PDT

133. marisacat - 18 July 2007

Oh sorry to tell DD that I did not even bother to go read the now deleted diary. his drool is well known, the reason I posted his scabrous nasty comments about abortion and women from 2004, as he fakes a moderate stance these days over at the congealing cess pool.

And I noticed Little Sister playing games last night as well.

She operated for months at his side in 04. He rarely entered a thread battle without her. Such a supporter of women.

134. Revisionist - 18 July 2007

They were going to freep the poll

Lol. A small band of “malcontents” vs the mighty DK in a poll.

135. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

Everyone who goes around regularly espousing right wing crap get [sic] TRed.

kos got troll-rated in his Ahnold diary? I missed that.

136. D. Throat - 18 July 2007

This one is a nutter:

And by the way (3+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
Delaware Dem, andgarden, justalittlebitcrazy

they don’t really believe most Kossacks are conservatives. They are despicable liars, banned malcontents, and conspiracy theorists. One of them frequently claims HIV does not cause AIDS.

Rudy Giuliani sux .

by taylormattd on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 11:48:25 AM PDT

137. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 July 2007

Jam-fuse, I missed your post re your stay in the ‘joint’. I know someone who had a dwi or two and it all depends on your lawyer, and who he knows. If it’s a first one, you can probably get away with one of those useless ‘rehab’ programs, a fine and a year probation.

Otoh, with a really good attorney, you can keep getting the hearings delayed, let the attorney indicate that you might be williing to go to trial (get a good trial attorney whose rep is known, most attorneys don’t want to go to trial and the DAs know that, but they are scared of those with a rep for not fearing trials). A friend of mine did this after a third DWI. The attorney took two years to finally get the DA to agree to a deal which was a $300.00 fine, no probation and no rehab. The attorney had permission from my friend to say he was willing to go to trial. They don’t have time, even in Suffolk Co, never mind NYC, for trials, so if they think you are on of those who might, it is often a way to get a better deal from the DA. It doesn’t harm your case to let them know you are considering it. Just some thoughts from one the best trial attorneys on LI. He scared them because he was willing to go all the way.

If you don’t want to, or can’t afford such a lawyer, then best to make a deal. I hope it doesn’t interfere with your plans, but a year’s prob could do that. You can get permission to travel depending on the judge, sometimes. Anyway, sorry to hear you had a problem – I hope it all works out and you can get on with your life.

Love the song, btw ……

138. lucid - 18 July 2007

jam.fuse – was it one of those ridiculous [and imho illegal] traffic blockades where they stop everyone regardless of cause?

Fascist thugs.

Can’t make Mo Pitkens tonight, but definitely let me know where and when you’re playing again.

139. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

They were going to freep the poll

Well, you know, there are thousands of us over here. Oh…wait….

What a hyprocite. They post diaries over there pushing kossacks to freep polls all over the tubes while Bowers plays his useless, outdated and completely ineffective googlebomb games.

140. colleen - 18 July 2007

I pulled it. This diary was ill advised. (0 / 0)
They were going to freep the poll. But in the end, I really need to stop paying attention to the liars over there. So that’s it. I am quitting Mcat cold turkey.

hilarious! I’ve been laughing for 10 minutes.

141. marisacat - 18 July 2007

New thread

LINK

142. Revisionist - 18 July 2007

It is as if we Democrats are battered wives, and our batterer has said something nice to us for the first time in a long while, and so we are in love with him again.

Thats exactly how I see the vast majority of the kossacks in relation to the Party. They dont even get that the so-called leaders of the blogosphere have been telling them to put up with the beatings for the sake of the kids.

143. marisacat - 18 July 2007

oh it just means that instead of 50 to 100 daily searches (on my little “search terms” list in stats) for “marisacat” and 50 for “mariscat” and 15 for “mcat”

the numbers were jsut upped.

Poor DD still looking for that “energetic girl”. Well perhaps she is at his 3rd law firm in 5 years.

You have to laugh.

144. ms_xeno - 18 July 2007

One of them frequently claims HIV does not cause AIDS.

There you go. The “Ewwww… they SMELL” school of critique, right on schedule.

Who will present DD/LV with the complimentary cookie for coming clean with what anyone with half a brain already knows. In a shared monopoly, anyone already inside the gate will always be better cared for than anyone outside it. Content doesn’t matter, nor do beliefs. It’s all about location, location, location. Hence the nastiest, most unrepentent Reaganite will always be more welcom in DD/LV’s country club than the most humane leftist, Green, or Indy.

I finally watched the Sheehan comments that SB borrowed from DU. Plain talk. A refusal to let the other team sets the terms of debate. A refusal to back down from “assigning motives” (as Matthews put it) that are clear as day to anyone who spends ten minutes a week doing homework.

No wonder the brokers, “made men” and pole-dancers are scared shitless of her. Please watch your back, Cindy.

145. ms_xeno - 18 July 2007

[passes jam.fuse an ice cream sandwich with a file in the middle, just in case.]

146. lucid - 18 July 2007

They are despicable liars, banned malcontents, and conspiracy theorists. One of them frequently claims HIV does not cause AIDS.

Egads! Horror of horrors! Someone posting here actually puts up informative posts linking to peer reviewed science suggesting that there is a problem with the HIV hypothesis!!! This place must be full of nutcases.

I think I should ban myself so you guys can sleep at night. 😉

147. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 July 2007

Oh damn, and I didn’t even get to read the diary! Never mind ‘freep a poll’ ! Projection is what that sounds like. I’m just not interested enough.

He lied about what I said, as anyone can see … but what else is new? I expected most people to agree, and said so. I’ll repeat. I said most kossacks would agree with those points. I also said many would still vote for a Dem who had voted against those issues. He didn’t have the nerve to find out if that was true or not.

Yawn … the same crowd, always …. slamming anyone who disagrees with them, then whining they get it back.

Oh, and btw, I was never banned from dk. Believe it or not, many, many people have just walked away in disgust.

148. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

Mr Vagina’s responses to Tuston’s comment last nite in moiv’s abortion diary:

#
Oh yes, I am anti-abortion. (0 / 0)

I was raised Catholic, and thus raised to believe abortion is murder. And when I made those comments, we had just lost the presidential election and people were exploring the issue.

I am still anti-abortion, but I am pro-choice, as I do not want this or any government limiting choice.

So the question for you TustonDumbass, is whether you want me to agree with you and work for pro-choice candidates, or whether you just want to hurl insults and slander with the rest of your viper bitches at Marisacat’s site? Your choice is obviously the latter, for you can never be happy if you cannot insult someone.

In order to find his equal an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

by Delaware Dem on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 05:50:01 AM MDT

[ Parent | Reply to This |Recommend ]
#
* [new] As for my sig line…. (0 / 0)

It is a quote in Braveheart that was funny. But since you and your viper bitches are humorless, I can understand why you find it insulting. If you are insulted, well, we are even then.

In order to find his equal an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

by Delaware Dem on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 05:58:06 AM MDT

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*
* [new] humorless viper bitches? (2+ / 0-)

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Looks to me like you’re being held accountable for your previous statements. Are these inaccurate quotes? Do you care to articulate how you’ve come to reconcile a personal aversion to abortion with a pro-choice political stance? That could be a productive discussion.

Referring to someone who quotes your own (apparently inconsistent) words as a humorless viper bitch borders on misogyny. Do you expect people of color to maintain a gracious sense of humor when calling out racist rhetoric? Do you expect LGBT people to keep a smile on their faces when they’re fighting homophobia? Why are feminist women supposed to be happy and chipper about calling bullshit?

by mamamedusa on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 07:59:15 AM MDT

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o
* [new] I am not rejecting my previous statements (0 / 0)

insofar as I acknowledge I made them. I still oppose abortion and view it as a horrible procedure the consequence of which is devastating. However, it is a choice that only the woman can make, and thus I believe this government should be pro-choice. Indeed, the government has no business making such personal reproductive choices for the woman or the man. So, I am pro-choice. Further, I have changed my mind about it being murder, which Tuston and the others at Marisacat’s site should be celebrate for they gain an ally in their fight for reproductive rights. But they continue to insult.

With respect to me calling Tuston and the Marisacat ilk “viper bitches,” there is a history between us that you are not aware. They insult me and others at this site frequently, and I return fire in kind. If they do not like being called names, perhaps they should stop their name calling. Also, they do embrace the “viper” name, as they call themselves that.

In order to find his equal an Irishman is forced to talk to God.

by Delaware Dem on Wed Jul 18, 2007 at 11:12:31 AM MDT

Obviously that is what spurred him to write his latest screed.

149. D. Throat - 18 July 2007

liberalcatnip—- yeah that documentary brought out the long knives fr the Beeb… a new regulation board, massive cut in budget and thousands are to be laid off.

But in all the bruhaha… none of the detractors can point out one issue that was wrong. Ratzinger PERSONALLY lead the cover up of pedophile priest for decades, he even moved his version of “the Office for Special Projects” with him when he became Pope.

150. brinn - 18 July 2007

auuuugh!! Why the hell do I ever turn on C-SPAN while I’m doing laundry?!

Somebody just drive a fucking SPIKE through my head!

As I speak, Kay Baily Hairdo is blathering on about “the insitution of the Senate” — a bunch of idiotic Republicans are “responding” to the block — the world is watching! Al-Queda will be celebrating! balh blah

The theme running through Hutchinson, Sessions, Kyle and Lott’s remarks is that the 14% approval rating for Congress is due to the Democrats’ not supporting the troops. Jesus they are fucking clueless.

151. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

Link to those comments.

152. Sabrina Ballerina - 18 July 2007

Lol, marisacat, I’m an energetic girl, but it looks like poor DD couldn’t handle it … the truth I mean.

153. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

#149. The more I learn about Ratzinger, the more despicable he becomes.

154. bayprairie - 18 July 2007

Delicate dim erased his diary because he thinks “They were going to freep the poll“.

pathetic. you know, i abhor this peculiarly american trait i see in some males. males who continue to act like widdle baby boys, regardless of their age.

swuch a thrweat. he had to pwrotect his poor widdle poll.

155. marisacat - 18 July 2007

If you are insulted, well, we are even then.

well the last time he bitched at Tuston, I said over here, wanna trade prep school [and other] information wtih Tuston?

I don’t think so.

Plenty of people rise above a less than stellar law school. Some don’t, however. They dwell in the land of 3rd law firm in 5 years. Failing the DE bar three times. Branded with DUI/DWI work at the last firm… so rote a chipmunk can do the work… etc. And those 5 years are the only 5 years he has been an atty.

But cartoonishly amusing.

156. brinn - 18 July 2007

Bay, if he wants to protect his widdle poll, then he should stop taking it out and wagging it in everyone’s faces all the time! LOL

Have I also mentioned that I find most every single one of our congresspeople a waste of space? Aside from sending more $$ into the black hole that we have turned Iraq into, what the fuck have they DONE in the past 6 months?!?

Anyone….anyone?

157. marisacat - 18 July 2007

LOL Well I ahve posted here about Ratz-zinger’s ever present secretary. The Msgr Ganswein, iirc.

Let’s get real… I even heard a US bishop say during the festivities for JPII (the syonara) that charges of abuse and peadophilia are lies, always lies to bring down the church. That the communists had done this too, to the dear Church.

About to induct a Nazi they needed to point eslewhere. Of course they painted JPii as the big anti Nazi.

ALWAYS A STORY.

158. marisacat - 18 July 2007

oh brinn brinn, they held blogger conf calls.

SO VITAL to saving the nation…

159. Revisionist - 18 July 2007

Brinn — Its really been longer than 6 months. Looking back over a decade about all I see that has improved one iota in this country is people can now take a few weeks off of work to have a baby or provide hospice for a dying relative. Thats about all I got out of the Clinton years to now. Maybe some one else has something the government has done that has actually made their life better but I cant name a thing.

160. brinn - 18 July 2007

the motherfuckers should get paid on commission — each taxpayer/constituent can pay their portion of each asssniff’s [yes, that is with 3 ss 🙂 ] salary based on whether or not what they have done that week is productive (in the CITIZEN’s opinion)!! That would get the motherfuckers to LISTEN!

And term limits, there was a time when I was against them, but fuck, when you have 1/2 the Senators who have been there a quarter of a century….(I don’t know if that’s an accurate # or not, I just pulled it out of my ass — somedays it seems like that though…), its time for something to change.

161. bayprairie - 18 July 2007

perhaps after he has a good cwy we can have a widdle bedtime story from baby aesop?

about the wabbit who got stung?

162. ms_xeno - 18 July 2007

brinn, they slavered when the GWOT landed on their plates. Now Hutchison and the rest will make them eat every bit until they choke on it. A little poetic justice to garnish the millions of corpses and billions of dollars wasted on this bullshit.

How can they admit they’re wrong ? Might makes right, so long as Hillary or one of their own gets to be at the helm. They really don’t give a wet slap about anything else. They’ve been good widdle patwiots and they want their turn at the controls.

The Orange Ops can spin it until their blue faces match their blue shorts, but there it is.

163. ms_xeno - 18 July 2007

Well, DD/LV and Gibson are both card-carrying psychotic jerks with ugly, ugly views of women, courtesy of the Bible and their own feebly limited imaginations. So give him credit for finding a sig by someone so well-matched in temperament to his own.

164. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

Speaking of bedtime stories, Mr Vagina might want to read about The Scorpion and The Frog. There is no scorpion and “hare” story.

165. liberalcatnip - 18 July 2007

So give him credit for finding a sig by someone so well-matched in temperament to his own.

And, as the copyright policeherb over here, I bring your attention to the fact that Mr Vagina leaves out the attribution to the source of that quote in his sig line.

That is a copyright violation. Thus he should be banned from dkos immediately.

166. ms_xeno - 18 July 2007

Oh, all right, catnip. But damned if he’s getting asylum in my garage. I don’t want the spiders to be scared off.

167. Revisionist - 18 July 2007

catnip — thx I had forgotten that. never know rabbits to be avid swimmers.


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