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So: Who wins Best in Show? 4 August 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Big Box Blogs, la morte de St Germain Dog - the best the BLAHgers had.


… speaking of the candidates and their hair…



1. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007

That poodle should be a nice shade of blue. 😉

2. D. Throat - 4 August 2007

OMG… Hiliary is pushing the First Responders…. now we are safer.

3. Miss Devore - 4 August 2007

Hillary: Shoe-removing at airports is one way in which we are more secure.

4. Miss Devore - 4 August 2007

1. I want to see the poodle cleavage.

5. Intermittent Bystander - 4 August 2007

Mon Dieu! Mondrian! Eet’s a beeg and leetle box dahg!

6. Miss Devore - 4 August 2007

Dennis mentions I/P. vaguely.

7. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007

Speaking of Afghanistan:

There are unconfirmed reports of heavy civilian casualties after air strikes by U.S.-led forces in the southern Afghan province of Helmand, RFE/RL’s Radio Free Afghanistan reported.

A local police chief, Muhammad Hussein Andiwal, said at least 20 wounded people were admitted to a hospital in the provincial capital, Lashkar Gah.

However, eyewitnesses there told RFE/RL that dozens of people were killed when aircraft bombarded a shrine in Baghran district on August 2.

A coalition statement said the air strikes targeted a meeting of Taliban commanders “after ensuring there were no innocent Afghans” in the area.

8. marisacat - 4 August 2007

Sounds like the conservative UK Telegraph is more for Obama than for mama. Quite th photo too.

And they use “Mark Moulitsas”… LOL

9. D. Throat - 4 August 2007

Why was McJoan there???

10. marisacat - 4 August 2007


I saw headlines, we are claiming a kill, 100 whatevers. taliban, Osama followers. Villagers. Children ETC

11. Intermittent Bystander - 4 August 2007

Did zee dahg poop some, how you say, “packing peenuts”?

Ooh – UStream has happy democrat pop music! Covers any chance of picking up post-debate mutterings as the bloggers file out, don’t it?

12. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007

Fucking air strikes. It never ends.

13. D. Throat - 4 August 2007

No but really….

This was the first debate I have seen… Hiliary is a joke!!!

Lobbyist represent real Americans… and Americans are safer because they take off their shoes at airports.

What bullshit…. it is like she didn’t even bother to prepare… really Dodd and Richardson were better.

14. Miss Devore - 4 August 2007

climbing up dk Calvary:

“This diary is about pain.”

15. marisacat - 4 August 2007

While I was image googling I landed on this, which seems a good parody of Ykos 2.0

Love the Sky Bark Lounge… and the dirt filled PETaPOTTY… LOL

16. Hair Club for Men - 4 August 2007

climbing up dk Calvary:

“This diary is about pain.”

The little frog just felt an ever so slightly perceptible rise in the temperature of the water.

But as with the Military Commissions Act, the Patriot Act extension, the failure to fillibuster Alito, the vote to renew the war funding and the statements from Feingold and Conyers that they’re against impeachment, she’ll get used to it.

In a few weeks, it will all be about the Supreme Court, retaking the White House and bashing Nader.

17. Hair Club for Men - 4 August 2007

Even the wingnuts are seriously beginning to bore the hell out of me. That whole sending a heckler to the Vote Vets panel than shreiking foul all over the internet when he’s told to mind his manners is as boring as the panel itself.

But I showed them. I got back from a Barnes and Nobles. I took a stack of that “Left Wing Wackos” Protest Warrior Scaiffe Welfare funded comic book and moved them to the fiction section.

Rebel that I am.

18. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007

WHY did we kick a soldier out of Yearlykos? (1+ / 0-)

Recommended by:

will someone just try and find out instead of deleting posts. I mean really. I understand trying to keep the topic on the debate above, but if you DON’T answer and you wait till after YearlyKos to answer this. The conservative BLOGS will be ontop of this and it WILL be the newspapers tomorrow morning.

So why don’t you stop pressing the delete button on my posts and start letting someone know that DRUDGE is splashing an attack on YearlyKos and try to ANSWER it.

For those that don’t know whats happening: drudge is splashing:

Fireworks broke out at a Friday morning session of the second day of the YearlyKos Convention entitled “The Military and Progressives: Are They Really That Different?”. An as yet unidentified uniformed soldier attempted to address the panel on the subject of the “Surge”. He was unceremoniously escorted out by panelist John Stoltz.

The soldier’s words were either suppressed or inaudible on the convention’s own video. They can be heard hear on this exclusive PJM Video by Andrew Marcus, who also interviews the soldier and tries to interview Stoltz.

Googling Monkeys-R-US -2.75,-3.54 http://www.politicalcompass.org/

by Dour on Sat Aug 04, 2007 at 12:17:32 PM MDT

Pajamas Media has an interview with the soldier but I can’t get it to load.

19. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007

Where was kos?

20. Intermittent Bystander - 4 August 2007


Former pro snowboarder Brandon Hochman fittingly opened the velvet-roped venue in March atop the headquarters of PETaPOTTY, the sod-filled litter box he invented. Pup-toting starlets, a pet talent agent, Lassie’s half-sister, and The Dog Whisperer’s rep mingled among the crowd last Saturday, as flat-screen monitors repeatedly played videos showing pooches squatting on PETaPOTTYs.

No wonder some people passed on the hors d’oeuvres.

This year’s chocolate fountain!

21. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007

Love the Sky Bark Lounge… and the dirt filled PETaPOTTY… LOL

“doggy dance floor” lol. Kind of like the Ykos convention floor.

22. Hair Club for Men - 4 August 2007

The Pajama Media video loads for me.

23. Intermittent Bystander - 4 August 2007

I think kos was in the green room with the hedge fund lobby and a spoon.

24. Hair Club for Men - 4 August 2007

Well he’s still talking in the PJ Video so he’s gotten at least 3 minutes fo far to talk.

25. NYCee - 4 August 2007

Wow, that was quite sumpin sumpin.

That was a stupid question to Gravel by McJoan. Use up your time like that, dummy.

Shoes/airport, yes, stupid. Hillary did not fare well. A few more sessions like this and I am imagining a Paula Prentiss moment a la Stepford Wife breakdown – you know: have coffee maker, will discombobulate…

26. Hair Club for Men - 4 August 2007

Some right wing soldier goes on for about 5 minutes with the usual wingnut “soldiers are tempered into steel by battle” speech. The Vote Vets guy says “fuck you for using your uniform for poiltics I’ll see you outside if you want to talk there”. Then the panel ends.

27. Intermittent Bystander - 4 August 2007

4 – Don’t think poodle cleavage has hit the YK photostream yet.

(Where the hell is Elise, anyway?)

Will a Sanctimonious Shape Note Singer and two Amsterdamners do?

28. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007

Freudian slip?

LAHORE, Pakistan (AP) — One of Pakistan’s most outspoken opposition leaders emerged from prison to a cheering crowd Saturday and vowed to press his campaign against President Gen. Pervez Musharraf, who is already struggling with rising dissent and militant violence.

Attacks and clashes killed 23 people in the northern tribal regions, where pro-Taliban militants have been waging a campaign against Musharraf’s administration, a key U.S. ally in the fight against terrorism.

The combination of militant violence and political demands for the restoration of democracy have embroiled Musharraf in the toughest period of his rule since he ousted Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif in a bloodless coup eight years ago.

Almost certain to add to his troubles was the release of Javed Hashmi, the acting president of the exiled former prime minister’s party.

The Supreme Court granted Hashmi bail Friday after he served four years of a 23-year sentence on charges of reason and inciting an army mutiny against Musharraf. Hasmi will be free while the court considers whether it should review his case, which rights and opposition groups have criticized as politically motivated.

29. Hair Club for Men - 4 August 2007

Then the Pajama Media guy tries to ambush the Vote Vets guy outside and he says turn your camera off I’m not in the mood.

Much ado about not much.

30. marisacat - 4 August 2007

we could use a little reason too – mixed in with all the treason in this country.

31. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007

a Sanctimonious Shape Note Singer

OMG! Stop me before I look at her boobs!

#26. Thanks Monsieur Hair.

32. Miss Devore - 4 August 2007

25-it was also weird how she phrased it “you wouldn’t have thought we could get the American people to take their shoe off..” like she is marveling at sheep behavior. now I guess she thinks all she has to do is lead the hokey-pokey (“you vote your clinton in” ) and she’ll be prez.

33. Hair Club for Men - 4 August 2007

Hypcorisy on both sides. The Kos gang would have been fine with Wesley Clark speaking in uniform.

The wingnuts are blowing up the Vote Vets guy’s bitching into the greatest censorship story since the Scopes Trial.

The wingnut at Kos went on for several minutes. That’s longer than I ever get to take at a question and answer session.

What they should have simply done is either let him go on with his little fillibuster or said “do you have a point”.

But their own awe over the apolitical character of the military got the better of them.

Of course the wingnuts would have found something to get outraged at anyway. So it doesn’t really matter.

34. marisacat - 4 August 2007

AP via FOX News:

Some political bloggers have huge audiences of people who trust their opinions. One such new media powerbroker is the convention’s spiritual leader, Markos Moulitsas Zuniga, founder of Daily Kos, among the first and most widely read political blogs.

“This really is democracy in action,” he said of the convention, which connected online activists though a traditional off-line gathering. “This is regular Americans using technology to engage in politics.”

While there is little hard data to support the theory, Zuniga and other observers contend that Clinton is viewed skeptically by the netroots community. The knock against her is that she is too moderate or too calculating, or both, particularly when it comes to the Iraq war. She has evolved from a hawkish Democrat to a candidate determined to improve her standing in the anti-war community.

Zuniga, who said he is in no hurry to endorse a candidate, said Clinton has improved her standing with the Kos community. Still, he said, Clinton’s best hope may be to mitigate the damage.

“We may decide she’s not our first choice, but she’s not a bad choice,” he said.

The Clinton campaign won no fans in the convention when word leaked that she did not plan to attend the individual breakout session following the forum. She eventually decided to participate.

They cover today’s forum with the candidates… it is just up at Google News.

35. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007

Via AP:

BAGHDAD (AP) – Iraq’s electricity grid could collapse any day because of insurgent sabotage, rising demand, fuel shortages and provincial officials who are unplugging local power stations from the national system, electricity officials said on Saturday.
For many Iraqi citizens, however, trying to stay cool or find sufficient drinking water was a more urgent problem. The Baghdad water supply already has been severely affected by power blackouts and cuts that have affected pumping and filtration stations.

And now water mains have gone dry in the Shiite holy city of Karbala, where the whole province south of Baghdad has been without power for three days. Power supplies in Baghdad have been sporadic all summer and now are down to just a few hours a day, if that.

“We no longer need to watch television documentaries about the stone age. We are actually living in it. We are in constant danger because of the filthy water and rotten food we are having,” said Hazim Obeid, who sells clothing at a stall in the Karbala market.

Just imagine – in that scorching heat. That’s torture on a mass scale.

36. marisacat - 4 August 2007


saw a piece this am, it said the western region of Baghdad has completely lost water. At all, any.

37. NYCee - 4 August 2007

Oh, THAT I/P!!! What Kucinich said…

Yes, I hear those poor I’s have been just waiting and waiting for a true partner for peace, for, like, what… 4 decades? They havent just waited either, theyve been proactive! Why, they’ve even been ever so kind as to set up hundreds of thousands of volunteers in the P’s territory, to try to help them suss out, flush out, that exotic, elusive, endangered thing called a genuine P partner for peace… I think they also call these peaceseeker volunteers “settlers.” Sounds nice!

So, Im convinced there is no I/P issue that need concern the Dems… I am sure the Is can manage as they have been for so long, esp with our incessant green light to guide them on down the road. They will continue (and continue) on down that road to peace.

See, it’s not the destination, its the journey. And the Is seem to get that. I mean, just look at how theyve stretched this terrific trip out for 40 years. They must be having tons of fun along the way!

38. NYCee - 4 August 2007

Plutonium looks like she’s flying (inside)

What if they all descend upon her and pummel her with little metal zeros? Stale donuts?

39. marisacat - 4 August 2007

Creeps helping Creeps, Carl Hulse on the House Vote – Just up at the NYT:

There was no indication that lawmakers were responding to new intelligence warnings. Rather, Democrats were responding to administration pleas that a recent secret court ruling had created a legal obstacle in monitoring foreign communications relayed over the Internet.

They also appeared worried about the political repercussions of being perceived as interfering with intelligence gathering. But the disputes were significant enough that they were likely to resurface before the end of the year.

Democrats have expressed concerns that the administration is reaching for powers that go well beyond solving what officials have depicted as narrow technical issues in the current law.

“They have got us in a vise,” Representative Louise M. Slaughter, Democrat of New York and chairwoman of the Rules Committee, said as she left a Saturday afternoon meeting where senior Democrats were debating how to handle the issue in the final hours before recess.

Honey, fuck you. LOL They are not worried, they are not strategising. They are agreeing.

40. NYCee - 4 August 2007

Catnip, Marisa: that is horrendous about the water… I just want us out, and then try to repair, help, donate… it will never get better while we are there. Never.

I am still waiting for someone to confront Clinton (and anyone else who supported the war) with blown up pictures of the horrid outcomes. Like dehydrated children. So many ways to show the sins.

And fuck you, Mr Kenneth (threatening storm and we CAN win this!) Pollack, too. (this sucker just cant stop the con – two times the harm)

41. D. Throat - 4 August 2007

That is so funny I was just about to post the exact same paragraphs

42. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007

This is an old article (from 2003) that I just found: The War for Iraq’s Water. Interesting, to say the least.

43. marisacat - 4 August 2007

From what I read at the time, it seemed an invasion as much for water, Iraq famous for its water resources for thousands of years, as for oil.

Not enough Palestinian acquifers to suit the Israelis was my guess.

44. marisacat - 4 August 2007

I see IRaqSlogger picked up the water in western Baghdad (full text):

With temperatures in Iraq edging close to 120 degrees Fahrenheit, there could not be a more dangerously inconvenient time for Baghdad’s decrepit infrastructure to fail on the delivery of water.

Residents and city officials said large sections in the west of the capital had been

virtually dry for six days because the already strained electricity grid cannot provide sufficient power to run water purification and pumping stations, according to the AP.

Adel al-Ardawi, a spokesman for the Baghdad city government, said that even with sufficient electricity “it would take 24 hours for the water mains to refill so we can begin pumping to residents. And even then the water won’t be clean for a time.”

Noah Miller, spokesman for the U.S. reconstruction program in Baghdad, said that water treatment plants were working “as far as we know.”

“It could be a host of issues. . . . And one of those may be leaky trunk lines. If there’s not enough pressure to cancel out that leakage, that’s when the water could fail to reach the household,” Miller said.

there is no water, but the water is working. There is no peace but we went to war for peace. There is no justice but whatever we have is justice. There is no freedom but as long as we are at war we are preserving freedom…

And so on.

45. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007

As the author wrote:

Perhaps the issue of water is left unspoken on the global level because the transnational corporations supported by powerful Western governments contribute largely to water pollution and privatization and do not want to draw attention to this fact lest they be forced to clean up their acts and sacrifice profits. Certainly higher standards and levels of accountability would be imposed on industries relying on expendable water resources if the true shortage of water were openly acknowledged.

Perhaps it is because the leaders, politicians and diplomats who negotiate issues like this do not want to cause mass hysteria in the region, or in the United States or Western world, by directly addressing the problem of diminishing water supplies. Instead they prefer to keep it their little secret, hidden from public view and accountability, prolonging the inevitable panic and hording that will ensue when people’s needs will outweigh the planet’s capacity for providing potable water.
Population growth expectations for the Middle East provide a staggering predicament. According to Michael Klare, author of Resource Wars, the regional population was near 500 million in 1998, and that figure is expected to double by the year 2050.14 There will be no peace in the Middle East without addressing issues of sustainability and access to water. The microcosm of war in the Middle East is a staggering prediction of a potential widespread global crisis if countries do not learn to conserve and cooperate.
Or perhaps it is because resources are not allocated fairly in the region, and acknowledging massive humanitarian crises means that the whistle-blowers are accountable to fixing the problem. Israelis and Palestinians already compete for limited water resources, with Palestine getting short shrift and less water. As noted in Resource Wars, Jewish settlers already get five to eight times more water per capita than Palestinians.15

46. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007

there is no water, but the water is working. There is no peace but we went to war for peace. There is no justice but whatever we have is justice. There is no freedom but as long as we are at war we are preserving freedom…

Exactly. It’s insanity.

47. Intermittent Bystander - 4 August 2007

Deadly words – as far as we know. Was Noah Miller, spokesman for the U.S. reconstruction program in Baghdad, responding from his personal watercraft in a Green Zone swimming pool?

Remember the Superdome. And that was on wide-screen teevee.

48. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007

Okay now – how stupid is this?? China tells living Buddhas to obtain permission before they reincarnate. Sheesh.

lol @ this comment:

This sounds like a natural for the UK government to consider – perhaps with the added attraction of a Reincarnation Environmental Impact Pack together with a modest licence fee. All administrated by a new department, cabinet minister and possibly a regulator, OFFWORLD. Then they could create a few new criminal offences attached to incorrect reincarnation procedures on this side and the other. Maybe the introduction of some kind of spiritual ID would allow them to monitor everyone in the afterlife. From cradle to grave – and beyond!

David Masu, Zurich

(Don’t give Bush any ideas.)

49. JJB - 4 August 2007

catnip and MCat,

A couple of days ago, I posted a link to a story that said most of Baghdad was without drinking water, and that a certain sector (I think the western one that MCat mentions) had already by that point been without water for 6 days. That was probably on Thursday, perhaps the day before.

Significant numbers of people must be dying from this. It’s something like 120 degrees over there, and that’s not taking into account what it’s like in the sun.

What we have done to Iraq is at least as bad as what the Turks did to the Armenians during WWI.

50. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007

Exactly JJB. And as I wrote at my place – what’s Bush doing? He made a quick phone call to al Maliki and was off for his photo op in Minneapolis. The man is a war criminal. Plain and simple.

51. JJB - 4 August 2007

Just saw no. 44, that was the article I linked to the other day. Should have read further in the thread before posting the above.

52. marisacat - 4 August 2007

thanks for that JJB I knew I read it somewhere… 😉

About a week ago, on that film ABC ws showing on Nightline and other magazine programs, the stuff shot by ordinary service men, they showed a widow with several small children.

Her home gone, she had moved into two bombed out, but still with a roof, rooms, ground floor, in some part of Baghdad.

NO WaTER other than two dirty big oil bins with water and simple sort of suction hose out back.

All I could think of ws Germany and Italy and and and at the last of WW 2.

And no Marshall Plan. We hv no intention of partnering iwth IRaq -as we planned iwth bombed out Europe.

We made hell… and called it freedom. I don’t even know what to say anymroe.

53. JJB - 4 August 2007

Bush loves to show his face at disaster areas, then do nothing. Once he’s finished the photo op, he just waits for people to forget what happened. I wouldn’t expect that bridge to be rebuilt anytime soon, in spite of its importance as a traffic route in the Twin Cities region.

54. Sabrina Ballerina - 4 August 2007

Did anyone ask Hillary about returning the donations of the criminal, slave-labor Chinese Tan family?

And why is the press lying about the influence of Markos Mulitsos? Where does he have influence, other than, maybe, among the approx 2000 hardcore posters on DK most of whom are political operatives? In RL he is unknown and online most know he is a fake ….

So glad I missed that show … but thanks to everyone for the overview.

Slaughter needs to go away – how can the minority party have the majority ‘in a vise’? How come it didn’t work that way when Dems were in the minority? This is what everyone worked so hard for, a majority that would end up ‘in a vise’ created by the most unpopular administration ever! Do they HEAR themselves?

55. JJB - 4 August 2007


We made hell… and called it freedom. I don’t even know what to say anymroe.

Once you’ve said that, you’ve said it all. There really isn’t anything left to say.

56. ms_xeno - 4 August 2007

A much-delayed response to lucid’s query from a couple of days ago, regarding the Executive Order passed 7/17/07.

Read it and weep.

Sorry for the delay. Just a little tired today, but rolling merrily along. Must say that plutonium and Laura look alarmingly normal for being such a pair of miserable, petty-minded little pea-brained thugs. Or is that thugettes ?

Oh, and it’s with great effort and no small expense that I unearthed the people who taught Dickie Spoons & the New New Feminininnies everything they know about male/female relations.

57. Sabrina Ballerina - 4 August 2007

Regarding the water shortage in Iraq (thanks JJB, Catnip, Marisacat for the articles). That reminded me of a discussion about someone who was a war strategist for the British, in a diary on DK. He advocated cutting off water and food supplies etc. before bombing populations – to weaken them. It is a war crime to do this. I know, everything about Iraq is a war crime but who will do anything about it?

I don’t know what to say anymore either … or about this government that created the hell that is Iraq, both parties.

58. ms_xeno - 4 August 2007

Tee hee !! The unanointed are sooooo quaint with their concerns about issues and stuff when we’re soooo much smarter than them !!

Tee hee ! Go away, silly issues people, says Marcotte.

…The smaller candidates that have very little chance of winning didn’t overly impress me. They’re running to get attention on progressive issues, but the audience here already knows these issues well. I think overall the candidates were energized by the opportunity to speak to an audience that had enough grounding in the issues that they could get into some detail on their stances. I liked seeing that. Reminds you that politicians get into politics for the same reason the rest of us have, which is that they love this stuff…

A touching reminder that you can go to college and read lots of books and yet still emerge as shallow and stupid as a bag of rocks.

I’m guessing that one of the details Amanda never got into was her proxy tongue-kiss with DFL a few months ago. But you know, I’m cynical that way.

59. wozzle - 4 August 2007

Ms_X, 56 – Hannah Arendt may have had insights into PluPage and MissL. There was a time when both were reasonable, even normal.

Amazing what a bit of supposed/authorized power can do.

60. marisacat - 4 August 2007

Amanda goes for the simple equations in life. Or so it seems to me…


hmm I don’t know about MsLaura… I only noticed her long after i was gone.

It sounds like PP has a history of agitation, prior to Dkos. I heard she was a curious sort of volunteer for Dean in Claremont NH (girl gets around between NW, SW and then NH) in short she made trouble, I heard.

Now doesn’t that sound like the standard MO for the thug class at Dkos?

61. Miss Devore - 4 August 2007

the mideast panel at yk2 was yesterday afternoon–anyone hear about it? aside from little blip interview with Juan Cole?

62. Revisionist - 4 August 2007

did read the article about the buddhas but recently one of the goddesses took her 9 year old ass the the us and was stripped or her divinity. They had a death and rebirth cermony on her return and reeducation and restored her goddess powers

63. ms_xeno - 4 August 2007

Amanda goes for the simple equations in life.

I have never been able to reconcile the endless columns about TAKE BACK THE PARTY and WE NERDS ARE DEEP THINKERS WHO MARCH TO OUR OWN BEAT with the endless lock-step and utter deference to the good-looking front runners because, like, wouldn’t we look silly supporting somebody who our lords and masters assure us can NEVER WIN ?! HOW EMBARASSING !! They wouldn’t all be so handsome and important and rich and stuff if they didn’t always know what was best for us.

It makes me nauseous, thinking of the time I wasted hoping that if the abuse from the Blue Overlords just got egregious enough long enough, people would realize the cognitive dissonance it takes to keep this sort of show affloat.

No such luck. Not only have the big time feminist bloggers embraced the dissonance, they’ve decided that it’s a great way to make money and collect strokes from the same sort of person they supposedly were so much better than back in their endlessly remembered high-school days.

My only consolation is that my time over there was considerably shorter than the time I wasted on HillCo., when I was still stupid enough to believe they cared for anyone other than themselves.

64. marisacat - 4 August 2007

re ME panel

Miss D

A few weeks ago I read that Dennis Perrin (think he is at http://www.dennisperrin.blogspot.com) ws going to be on it.

He also contributes at HuffWuffPo.

Someobody should be saying something… I would think…

65. outofwater - 4 August 2007
66. outofwater - 4 August 2007

Who knew cskendrick was a guy? Jason lost weight.

67. marisacat - 4 August 2007

LOL hekebolos and whomever (sorry just never heard of the screen name)

68. Gayle - 4 August 2007

Uh oh, the woman next to thereisnospoon is drinking a beer.

That’s the same as “asking for it” in his world, is it not?

69. outofwater - 4 August 2007

She may as well tattoo “fuck me” on her forehead. Actually, norape’s views on consent are somewhat more understandable now, he assumes that if a woman can’t fight to the death then she must be in the mood. He hasn’t ever heard a conscious woman say, “maybe later” much less “ok.”

70. marisacat - 4 August 2007

IOZ on how the Koswhacks well get from A to B. Wihtout ever connecting the dots, of course. Loved the comments, esp Jeff in TX

71. Gayle - 4 August 2007


I can’t stop thinking about what you wrote in the last thread about Bork being the last real Supreme battle.

Bork was belligerent and ugly. Worst of all, he was honest about his beliefs and intentions. The public reacted to his hearing in much the same way as they reacted to Buchanan’s infamous speech at the RNC–they recoiled in disgust. The Dems didn’t have to fight all that hard with public opinion already running strongly against him.

So the Republicans learned to rear and groom their candidates for public viewing. Roberts required a real fight.

Sigh. This is my long-winded way of saying you’re right. It’s not that they don’t know how to fight or frame. They just don’t see a reason to do either. As Sabrina wrote previously, their big donors matter. The people do not.

72. marisacat - 4 August 2007

Madman popped me this. I call it the map to the sell out game. Eleanor, always was a party mouthpiece.

Admittedly, this is small-bore stuff that doesn’t make it onto the radar in Washington. But it’s unfolding in real time on the Internet and it’s just annoying enough that it might make a difference.

The targeted Republicans have all changed their tune about Iraq; they just haven’t adjusted their votes.

[yeah right: What a Fucking DODGE — mcat]

“We see the softening of their rhetoric as movement, and now we have to tip them over the edge,” says Matzzie.

AAEI (Americans Against Escalation in Iraq] has a paid staff of 130 and a budget that has ballooned to $12 million, a quarter of which was raised online, with MoveOn.org a principle underwriter.

Internet donations spike when things look the bleakest in Washington, says Matzzie. “People at the grassroots say we just have to work harder, we have to double down. People really care a lot.”

For them it is not about the war, it is about the fundraising. So tied in, tied down. And only a fool would assume Kos is not on the same gravy wavy train from the DSCC/DCCC.

The piece is full of nuggets, if one reads it inside out, by the light of the silvery moon.

73. Hair Club for Men - 4 August 2007

As much as I hate to admit it, sometimes the LGFers get it right.


I think we define these scumbags at KKKos incorrectly. I’ve never thought of them as socialists.

This is a new breed of scumbag because I can guarantee you they aren’t advocating giving up anything personally. They want us to give up everything. They’re a lot closer to fascists than most people realize.

I would call them a collective theocracy with a big dose of fascism who will divinely guide the rest of us into oblivion.

74. Hair Club for Men - 4 August 2007

But that’s enough LGF for one day. My eyes are burning.


President Bush, I humbly request that you destroy Iran. I urge you to use every option available to nullify Iran — diplomatic, political, and military force. Military force must be viewed as the only resort — not the last option. War is not the answer.
Don’t even give them a chance to have a war. Just do it.

Sounds like Tancredo’s (or Barack “all options are on the table”) kind of people.

75. marisacat - 4 August 2007

Well the Dems have long been an issue, what do they really want but the legal interest groups did fight back. And the Dems were willing to fight dirty (less retreat over Bork). Now they bitch and moan and allude. And then retreat. Like forcing the pull back of the NARAL ad on Roberts.

Turley said after ROBERTS and ALITO there was no sign of a coherent party. he was right. no sign of it. I watched a mess on the Judciiary, they were not even prepared, at all. Kennedy was a nearly drooling old man. Lost in the Rusher Papers from Rutgers (alito). As if they were not washed clean years ago. Nor would the party discuss what they were hunting for, I had to poke around to get the strains of the story, they were too delicate to tell it. And at the heart of it too was Dinesh Souza… if only the Dems cared enough to speak.

Nan Aron (cannot think of her organisation) and Neas of PFAW were in the thick of it (the Bork battle).

The Dems don’t fight (they put on a show) they CAVED on Thomas. Caved forever. Caved at the federal level, caved at the appeals level…. the last fight, of any significance, was Bork.

Wwe are so skerewed…

76. Hair Club for Men - 4 August 2007

This very important diary on Kos got a lot of comments, NOT.


77. marisacat - 4 August 2007

what a fantastic diary… thanks HC for linking it

If the regional power generators are unhooking themselves from the national grid and the Iraqi government can do nothing about it, I think the partitioning of Iraq is well underway.

78. marisacat - 4 August 2007

Just got an email:

Silber is back up

79. Intermittent Bystander - 4 August 2007

CNN sez the FISA bill won’t go to vote in the House until after midnight tonight, and the Republicans are pissed.

It’s gonna take a whole lotta PastorDamn and pastry to deal with the YK hangovers tomorrow.

80. outofwater - 4 August 2007

The Democrats want to sin in the dark of night. Who can blame them?

81. marisacat - 4 August 2007

It’s gonna take a whole lotta PastorDamn and pastry to deal with the YK hangovers tomorrow.

I think I saw a link that they are selling pootie T shirts…

maybe Pastor Damn, pastry and a pootie Tshirt will do it for them.

Avoid connecting the dots as well. I went to Chicago, Met Hillary and All I got ws thsi Tshirt.

82. Miss Devore - 4 August 2007

’twas the night before FISA
and all through the House…

83. Miss Devore - 4 August 2007

Mike Stark has another diary up at dk, with video where oreilly is saying “we should go to their houses…..and I can get their addresses from their phone numbers..”

84. ms_xeno - 4 August 2007

I’ll stake a dozen macaroons on Stark, et al just buying time with these calls to show up at the houses of the GOP faithful, etc.

Once Nader announces again or Elaine Lee becomes the Green nominee, they’ll change their strategy to crank-calling or visiting their supporters instead. That’s the usual pattern.

85. Miss Devore - 4 August 2007

CSPAN has House debate on FISA. (CSPAN is just as bad as any other big website in not updating its site–it’s on the first CSPAN channel but is listed as something else)

86. Intermittent Bystander - 4 August 2007

Spielman’s grandmother, Nancy Hess, collapsed outside the courtroom after the verdict was read and prosecutor Maj. William Fischbach ran to her side and called 911. Soldiers in Spielman’s unit fanned the woman with napkins.

Spielman’s sister, Paige Gerlach, screamed: “I hate the government. You people put him (in Iraq) and now, this happened.”

Defense attorneys left the courthouse immediately following the verdict and could not immediately be reached for comment.

110-year sentence in Iraq rape-killing.

BTW – I think theKK is the girlfriend of thereisnospoon. Lotsa photos from last year’s shindig at the brother’s photoblog. Quite a few close-ups of spiders – in the middle of the YK06 pix – too.

87. ms_xeno - 4 August 2007

Hey, at least Spielman will have potable water and electricity in jail. Well, he probably will.

88. Hair Club for Men - 4 August 2007

Hey, at least Spielman will have potable water and electricity in jail.

Sure. He’s a monster who thought he could get away with what he always wanted to do in the USA but thought he could get away with in Iraq.

But what about the people who planned the 10 year embargo. How much jail time do they get?

Same as it ever was. The Lt. Calleys of the world do time. The Henry Kissinges of the world don’t.

89. marisacat - 4 August 2007

the rape killing was an horrific murder.

I want to know – and eventually will thru books rather than print media – what the precisse instances are for those who carried it out, the battles, the meds, what they were sent back into battle medicated iwth, – I want to know everything.

But I am STILL horrified these killers are coming back. Green was let loose in this country before he waws picked up… and plenty of others who are battle field wrecks to the same level are going to be among us… And I think that is part of the plan, Chapter 50,433 in destabilising America.

I am sick to deaht of the aftermath of war. and it won’t be ending.

90. Intermittent Bystander - 4 August 2007

Supposedly Spielman was the lookout. Green is the one who may fry.

Steven D. Green, who was discharged from the Army before being charged, faces a possible death sentence when he is tried in federal court in Kentucky. He has pleaded not guilty to charges that include murder and sexual assault.

Barker and Cortez have given investigators conflicting statements about whether Spielman knew of the plan to rape the girl and was present when they discussed it over swigs from bottles of whiskey and gin mixed with energy drinks, according to testimony.

During their courts-martial, Barker and Cortez testified they took turns raping the girl while Green shot and killed her mother, father and younger sister. Green shot the girl in the head after raping her, they said.

The girl’s body was set on fire with kerosene to destroy the evidence, according to previous testimony.

91. Hair Club for Men - 4 August 2007

But I am STILL horrified these killers are coming back. Green was let loose in this country before he waws picked up… and plenty of others who are battle field wrecks to the same level are going to be among us…

Yep. There’s your problem. There are a lot of people in stable societies who might be considered “latent sociopaths”. Deep in their heart of hearts, they dream about raping and killing but there’s something inside them, some sort of repression that holds them back. Let’s call it “fear of getting caught”.

Well, blame the Iraqis for 9/11, mount a propaganda campaign insinuating that all Arabs and Muslims hate Americans and want to kill us, then send 150,000 of those propagandized Americans to Iraq and viola, the “latent sociopaths” among them become not so latent sociopaths.

What’s the percentage? Who knows. But I do know this. They’ve all had their restraints kicked out in Iraq. Even if they’re still afraid of getting caught, they’ve had a taste of complete power over people.

And that’s not going away when they come back home.

92. ms_xeno - 4 August 2007

Hah. Really am too tired for this. No. 84: Elaine BROWN, not Elaine Lee.

93. Intermittent Bystander - 4 August 2007

Same as it ever was. The Lt. Calleys of the world do time. The Henry Kissingers of the world don’t.

Yes, exactly. And even Calley was released in under five years, wasn’t he? People do more time for selling little bags of dope on the streetcorner of Anytown, USA, every day.

Whoever is photoshopping the YK pictures cracked me up with this one and that one.

94. Hair Club for Men - 4 August 2007

OK. Some I’m watching this movie “The Bridge Over the River Kwai” and I’m confused.

Is this a parody of Anglo Saxon chauvism or is it serious.

The Japanese are “barbaric” because they don’t respect the Geneva Convention and because they don’t know how to build things as well as the British.

95. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007
96. Hair Club for Men - 4 August 2007

Kind of reminds me of college. People in my dorm were always having parties during breaks they weren’t telling me about.

I have nothing against Matt Yglesias. He seems like a reasonably bright guy. But what qualfies him to write for the Atlantic?

Is he an investigative journalist? Has he travelled to Iraq? Does he have any expertise. What does he have to offer but opinions?

97. liberalcatnip - 4 August 2007

Via WaPo:

Markos Moulitsas Zúniga, the founder of the Daily Kos blog, for which the conference is named, gave Clinton good marks. “I think she did very well,” he said after the candidate forum. “I think she’s done a great job of defusing the hostility.”

All aboard!

98. marisacat - 4 August 2007

New Thread


99. bayprairie - 4 August 2007

Did zee dahg poop some, how you say, “packing peenuts”?

cotton candy and sugar cubes

100. marisacat - 4 August 2007

Yes she did a “great job difu$ing the ho$tility”.

101. marisacat - 4 August 2007


My hand is up.

The ones who supported or semi supported the war got the advanced placement class.

Yglesias lib hawk.
– moved from Am Prospect to Atlantic.

Sully – who was mildly interesting 15 years ago moved, too many peoples’ cutest conservative ever! … to TIME, is it?

Kevin Drum a bona fide Centrist – to Wash Monthly…

If I think I can come up with others…

Brock – Media Matters. Former R.

I just heard today some righties call Mickey Kaus a liberal.

They will do anything to make sure no TRULY liberal left voice makes it thru.

Josh Marshall, self identified Zionist. Very esy sqeesy on the war. Credentialed reporter, had Pollack interviews at his site, supported Clark…

Eric Alterman, will parrot almost anything the party tells him to. I assume sheer assholishness to the wrong person cost him his long time spot at MSNBC blogs. But also a lib Hawk on the war. Esnconced at The Nation. Likely for life.

Glenn Greenwald, former R, exposed that he lied about his CV at law firms in NY (yes it is true it was done in messy biased fashion by the right – Riehl World, but he still lied about his time at law firms and whether he was an intern or a full associate) moved to Salon. Book Deal. 2 book deals not, from what I hear… Kisses from Drum Major Inst (a Dem party conduit and whatever esle, they love Kos too)

and so on.

102. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 August 2007

I am still waiting for someone to confront Clinton (and anyone else who supported the war) with blown up pictures of the horrid outcomes. Like dehydrated children. So many ways to show the sins.

Hmmm, good idea. worked for the theofascists … maybe war protesters could lift up pictures of this little girl with “It Takes a Village of BOMBS?” at Hitlary’s events, with the “Iraq War Resolution – October 2002” at the bottom of the poster?

103. Intermittent Bystander - 4 August 2007

Yglesias was appalling. “Like Josh,” he says, he “hit the sweet spot” by opposing the war a few weeks after it started (giggle, giggle), which was late enough to be easy but still early enough to have “some cred”?

What does he have to offer but opinions?
Onanism and a way cool treehouse, I think.

bayprairie – cotton candy and sugar cubes Parfait!

Marisacat – that li$p really jump$ from the page!

Speaking of sweet$, wasn’t there supposed to be an actual, factual, reality-based ice cream party in conjunction with kos’ closing keynote speech . . something about sundaes on saturday? Or was that another fluffy bonsai hoax?

The people-powered movement is starting to look downright desperate, at this point, for hot fudge.

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