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Right… it’s an opinion 25 August 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2004 Election, 2006 Mid Terms, 2008 Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Lie Down Fall Down Dems.

   It's not just the Bloo Dogs.  It's all of them.

 .. holding up a thread.





1. marisacat - 25 August 2007


Think this starts in an hour:

Scheduled Maintenance — 5AM to 10AM GMT

As some of you probably have noticed, WordPress.com has not been her usual speedy self today. The technical reasons for this are somewhat complex, but it boils down to some network problems with a couple of our bandwidth providers.

Last night they attempted to complete a upgrade to their routing infrastructure and during the maintenance some related hardware failed causing the downtime yesterday/early this morning. We are still combing through the logs, but it looks like we suffered from 2 simultaneous network outages in of our datacenters, making things even more difficult.

2. Miss Devore - 25 August 2007

before it gets deleted:

” J (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Aug 25, 2007 at 10:31:39 PM EST
likes the titles to be more polite.

She lets me rant in the content.

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Sounds like a fair tradeoff (none / 0) (#11)
by Maryb2004 on Sat Aug 25, 2007 at 10:42:11 PM EST

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She’s a peach (none / 0) (#12)
by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Aug 25, 2007 at 10:52:44 PM EST
She puts up with a lot of flak caused by me.

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[new] you’re quite the magnet (none / 0) (#13)
by Miss Devore on Sat Aug 25, 2007 at 10:58:51 PM EST
for that kind of woman.

3. Revisionist - 25 August 2007
4. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 August 2007

Speaking of the corruption in Iraq (and elsewhere), and the REAL public servants who report it:

One after another, the men and women who have stepped forward to report corruption in the massive effort to rebuild Iraq have been vilified, fired and demoted.

Or worse.

For daring to report illegal arms sales, Navy veteran Donald Vance says he was imprisoned by the American military in a security compound outside Baghdad and subjected to harsh interrogation methods.

There were times, huddled on the floor in solitary confinement with that head-banging music blaring dawn to dusk and interrogators yelling the same questions over and over, that Vance began to wish he had just kept his mouth shut.

He had thought he was doing a good and noble thing when he started telling the FBI about the guns and the land mines and the rocket-launchers – all of them being sold for cash, no receipts necessary, he said. He told a federal agent the buyers were Iraqi insurgents, American soldiers, State Department workers, and Iraqi embassy and ministry employees.

The seller, he claimed, was the Iraqi-owned company he worked for, Shield Group Security Co.

“It was a Wal-Mart (nyse: WMT – news – people ) for guns,” he says. “It was all illegal and everyone knew it.”

So Vance says he blew the whistle, supplying photos and documents and other intelligence to an FBI agent in his hometown of Chicago because he didn’t know whom to trust in Iraq.

For his trouble, he says, he got 97 days in Camp Cropper, an American military prison outside Baghdad that once held Saddam Hussein, and he was classified a security detainee.

5. marisacat - 25 August 2007

I rremember reading about Vance coming forward and being imprisoned. I think there was an article somewhere, when he got stateside.

Or whatever we call The Homeland these days.

6. Miss Devore - 25 August 2007

Madman–I read the rolling stone article and the stories about the whistleblowers punishment and the numerous stories nearing the second anniversary of Katrina and if the american public doesn’t sense their numbness is from being repeatedly slapped in the face I do not know what can be done.

We can’t have all Americans covered by health insurance but we can waste billions in Iraq with a complete lack of oversight so corporations can profit over selling weapons that may kill American soldiers.

The citizens of New Orleans might as well be in Baghdad for all the reconstruction promised.

and to think an American citizen, who called fraud on operations in Iraq gets tortured for it. the information is out there. sadly, I fear it will merely be for the historical record of the complete decline of this country.

7. Miss Devore - 25 August 2007

Mcat–the pic is of a remorseful Hilary thinking “I made a gaffe”

lucky for her, Obama did worse in acknowledging his bonding experiences with Lugar, Coburn and Warner.

And, as y’all know, I have a shred of hope for Obama. But he seems to be fucking with my rational mind too much.

8. marisacat - 25 August 2007

Fisk. Quite interesting.

9. marisacat - 25 August 2007

He also bonded with Powell. He seems to be begging to be an errand boy. Soon Michelle will be quite strident, I think she thought it was possible.

10. Sabrina Ballerina - 25 August 2007

I remember too that story of Custer Battles. I am halfway through that article so I don’t know if they talk about the army guy who was shot and his family believed it was because he was aware of the corruption.

One of Opol’s best diaries was about this story, the corruption and the fact that they used wads of money as footballs. He had photos of the planeloads of money flying to Iraq in his diary. and of the troops kicking it around. If I find it I will link to it. It was a pretty angry diary about the greed and corruption, a few months ago.

The Custer Battles story is well known. I cannot believe that Nancy Pelosi doesn’t know this and more and yet is obstructing holding these vile criminals responsible. As the article says, Bush was protecting these criminals. I wonder where those billions of dollars are. Where did Bush buy property recently?

Miss D. I was thinking the same thing … that that bastard Bush refuses to give healthcare coverage to children, and he sends truck loads of cash to Iraq and lets his buddies just steal it, literally. Billions of dollars. Wake up America!!

Miss D, just read that little message you sent Aravia! Lol! So true, there’s always a woman around to let him act out somewhere. Good thing you’re around to keep in line!

11. keirdubois - 25 August 2007

Oh my. The hate is on. Or rather, it continues to be on.

12. Sabrina Ballerina - 25 August 2007

Btw, I finally managed to vote in the Bloggerschoice Awards. I signed up in May but lost my password etc and they wouldn’t let me vote. I feel like an idiot, but I found it in the hidden emails today (my email is a mess) and went to vote.

In case anyone hasn’t voted you can get an account by signing up and then you can vote. I nominated the unapologeticmexican also, but found he was already there. So I voted for him and for XP. I would love to see a small, independent blog beat out the blowhards. I think Marisacat is ahead of Talkleft so far! And that’s without even trying. Jeralyn did mention it on her blog a while ago.

Anyway, here is the link (thanks to Miss D who’s a busy little bee lol)


Marisacat is now on page 9.

13. marisacat - 25 August 2007

Well it seems that people can comment.

Sorry! I did not think so, from the wording on the planned maintenance shut down.



thanks for that link, I pulled up the diary.

14. bayprairie - 25 August 2007

rounding the mark, off in the distance, the democratic mini-friedman unit expiration date hoves into view.

time to sing to the herd.

I’d rather play activist than pundit, but I don’t like the way the momentum is shaping up for our showdown in September. Our entire strategy is predicated on peeling vulnerable or principled Republicans away from the President. And it looks like the opposite is the more prevalent circumstance at the moment.

See you in September
See you when the summer’s through
Here we are
Saying goodbye at the station
Summer vacation
Is taking you away

Have a good time but remember
There is danger
in the summer moon above
Will I see you in September
Or lose you
to a summer love

15. bayprairie - 25 August 2007

Miss D, just read that little message you sent Aravia! Lol! So true, there’s always a woman around to let him act out somewhere. Good thing you’re around to keep in line!

if aravia was starring in a mel brooks production his name would be zero mostel. and he’d be starring in the producers.

he does attract that “certain type of woman”. blogging, after all, is hardly different than an early 1960s broadway bookkeeping scam.

16. marisacat - 25 August 2007

I had no idea about Bloggers Choice Awards… I heard about it months ago and asumed it ended months ago… as well.

What a hoot!

17. marisacat - 25 August 2007

Oh Sabrina…

In the lst thread you asked about Tuston. No, no answer from him. Think I wrote 4 days ago.

Will drop a line again in a couple of days..

18. bayprairie - 25 August 2007

Oh how he wears such a thin disguise
Look a little closer unmask his eyes
See right through him see oozing with lies

He’s just a gigolo-o-o
A gigolo-o-o, a gigolo

the desirable role in the producers isn’t that of the gigolo mostel, unfortunately.

its the role Dick Shawn played.

interesting man. used to pretend to drop dead onstage. and one day did exactly that.

A bright, innovative wit, one of his best touring shows was called “The Second Greatest Entertainer in the World.” During the show’s intermission, Shawn would lie visibly on the stage floor absolutely still during the entire time. By freakish coincidence, Shawn was performing at the University of California at San Diego in 1987 when he suddenly fell forward on the stage during one of his spiels about the Holocaust. The audience, of course, laughed, thinking it was just a part of his odd shtick.

In actuality, the 63-year-old married actor with four children had suffered a fatal heart attack.

19. bayprairie - 26 August 2007

good catch award this evening goes to keir.

after all, why should anyone think they have the FRIGGIN GALL to be pissed because their country was lace from tip to toe with cluster bombs?

the very idea any “dog muslim” would cop a tude due to that is outrageous!


20. Sabrina Ballerina - 26 August 2007

Racists indeed, Bayprairie, and look who’s right there ready to rec the tip jar: Mr. ‘minority bloggers are too under-educated and too poor to go to YrlyK! End of story!’ – Well, no, but ignorance never stopped him from talking before. Quite a few racists on that site …

i’ll tip (23+ / 0-)
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It’s ridiculous. No doubt that U.S. foreign policy has driven a lot of people to be justifiably upset, but fundamentalism is the enemy of justice and freedom everywhere.

As much as I hate the Bushie fundamentalists, so much more so–to the 100th degree–do I have utter contempt for Muslim fundamentalists. I honestly don’t give a damn if they’re “offended”–let all the ideas be expressed in the open, and let the chips fall where they may.

What is the Nexus?

by thereisnospoon on Sat Aug 25, 2007 at 09:14:41 PM PDT

I remember him about a year ago before I realized what these people were all about, how rightwing they were, blaming Iraqis for not ‘standing up’ etc. He outdoes himself each time he opens his mouth (or fingers) about ethnicity or women.

I bet he supported the war in Afghanisatan and, like so many of them, woudl never realize how fanatical that support makes him appear to be to people in other countries. Because it was revenge. We have the right to be angry, but Muslims? Those lesser beings, rag-heads?

There is nothing so dangerous as ignorance in action

21. marisacat - 26 August 2007

LOL so shall TINS or brother heke be elevated to FPers 4.0?

Seems a possibility.

And after all the “let’s blame the Iraqis” is carried daily by the Dem leadership.

No meaning to those words, Dem leadership. ahahah,

22. bayprairie - 26 August 2007

fundamentalism is the enemy of justice and freedom everywhere.

as is all privileged male stupidity.

LA don’t get no pass, nor are you exempt, fuctard.

23. bayprairie - 26 August 2007

contrast and compare.

we’ll use these comments plus the MEsock from BA.


He is young, VERY young — and has an infuriating habit of expressing himself very badly when it comes to topics that demand keen and strict sensitivity. I have often cringed in shame on his behalf when he blundered in this manner.

actually, i’m saying that (0+ / 5-)

the “victim” doesn’t even know if she was victimized here.

She was too fricking drunk–if the eyewitnesses are correct–to even remember.

She left smiling, she arrived battered, and people are REALLY quick here to scream “rape” and blame these “horrible” men.

And quick to lambaste the WSJ writer for suggesting that MAYBE, just MAYBE, if a woman does not want to get taken advantage of, that MAYBE she shouldn’t get passed out drunk at a frat party.

And that’s insane.

What is the Nexus?

by thereisnospoon on Tue Apr 18, 2006 at 02:21:10 PM PDT

HOWEVER… though he phrased his arguments TERRIBLY, he HONESTLY did not intend the message he ended up sending with those very badly phrased comments.

alright, then… (4+ / 😎
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what about the rape class instruction video in which a woman gets passed out drunk, goes up with a guy to the bedroom, they lie down.

She’s says “I don’t know…” He says it’s ok. She never says no. They have sex; she passes out.

The next day she cries and calls the police to accuse him of rape.

The class instructor asks the class if this was rape. Most of the class says no.

The rape instructor says, “yes.”

And that is bullshit, any way you cut it, and most of America knows it.

What is the Nexus?

by thereisnospoon on Tue Apr 18, 2006 at 03:02:12 PM PDT

I know it’s ludicrous to ask anyone to believe someone’s INTENT when his very words seem to belie it, so I won’t ask. I will only say, for the record, that knowing him as I do, my trust and faith in TINS’s true character honestly mitigates the utter disgust I feel whenever he stumbles as badly as he did in the discussion to which we refer.

and that’s “opposing women’s social drinking”?
you go ahead and take a poll on that one, see where America stands. I dare you. And that can be upper-middle class, white female America if you want. You should have heard some of the derivise comments–mostly from young women themselves–coming out of that “instruction.”

by: thereisnospoon @ Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 13:44:31 PM CDT

24. bayprairie - 26 August 2007

oh by the way. even hollywood “gets” the brothahs.

The Brothers Solomon

they’re even home schooled!

25. bayprairie - 26 August 2007

if anyone in this life, or another, belived MEsock was anythign other than a shill.

well there’s your proof.

enjoy it.

26. marisacat - 26 August 2007

Honestly it is Del Dem all over again.
hang it up Atkins boyz if you were planning on ever being candidates for office.

Very unwise.

27. bayprairie - 26 August 2007

by the way, the cache has evidently expired on the google comments.

everyone should thank MEsock for censoring the events as they occured.

and anyone who thinks thats accidental is living in a pipe dream.

also, i have the threads saved on my machine 3 different ways. if anyone wants a copy of the events as they actually transpired.

email me.
im very willing to share the truth uncensored.

28. Revisionist - 26 August 2007

I am going thru a Banksy phase – http://www.flickr.com/photos/election2008/1237672279/

Re the Producers…

I rented the new version last month. I was oddly VERY offended. I found the gay scene just offensive and not funny at all. It was nothing but insulting out-dated stereotypes. I saw it as the equivilant of mammies and pickaninnies.

Anyway. If one was to run for president and lose, do you get to keep all those millions aftr expenses. One could make a lot of money with a failed political campaign.

29. bayprairie - 26 August 2007

I rented the new version last month.

there is only ONE Andréas Voutsinas!!

30. marisacat - 26 August 2007

Anyway. If one was to run for president and lose, do you get to keep all those millions aftr expenses. One could make a lot of money with a failed political campaign. — Revisionost

Bingo Big Time.

One reason they all collect money all the time. From top to bottom in the political scam game.

One of the biggest was the Kerry Camp collecting in a special separate fund (forget the name applied to those monies) for fighting the election, meaning fighting on past Nov 3.

If I recall he collected between 15 and 17 million.

His. yes kept in a campaign acct, but his. All I ever heard that he released was 1.5 million to congressional races. I would assume there might have been other similar fund amts released, but basically it is his money…

Most seats in congress are hard to contest, but they fund raise constantly, claiming they need the money.

LOL and “leadership” PACs attachd to congresscritters are just a big scam. I’d never send money to one.

31. frtitzcat - 26 August 2007

I agree with Miss Devore.

Obama is the slama jama in da bones of da white mama.

White daddy must be appeased in some way or he’ll get grouchy. Big Daddy’ll never again be considered cool and desirable by anyone but at least he can be publicly acknowledged by the young man who is now clearly superior in all phases of the game.

Thats all Big Daddy really wants. That and a cheap retirement buffet walking distance from the assisted living center.

This may come as a surprise to the Welbys (white elite liberal blogging youthless shitheads), but most of the country is tired of partisanship. Most of the country leans lefter in harder times. If harder times do indeed come, the lefter leaning president must lead all the people all the time, in order to set a more perfect example for the rest of us snookerers.

For it is written: once firmly in power, as happens every 75 years or so, liberals must act their ideals. Or woe unto them the wrath of the almighty Green Goddess, HRM the Queen of the Senior Salad Bar.

Obama makes smart noise, IMHO. Albeit, a different noise.

Much smarter and much different noise than Shillary.

Better tonality and phrasing, too.

32. frtitzcat - 26 August 2007

Meant to say “Shrillary.”


33. dkosser - 26 August 2007

:: I loved Keith Moon and he’s befouled the name. …””




34. frtitzcat - 26 August 2007

Did anybody cover MSOC’s latest confessional? She’s apparently suicidal and about to be dumped by her long suffering husband. She’s going on immediate hiatus to the obervationbal ward. She’s left Curmudgette the Stolid in control of things.

NonPartisan says not too worry, the ratings are in the toilet only because this is the lull in the campaign season, things will pick up after Labor Day. We’ll be back in the low to mid 300,000s by then , easy. No problem.

This is all good, and in keeping with my uplifting words of encouragement to her (which oddly, got me banned for being a rude jackass)

“Your spirit is black and clouded. Let it rain. Let it rain. There is sunshine to follow if you can find it within yourself.”

Locate the sunshine MSOC…the sunshine, as opposed to the klieg lights. Here is truly hoping that she gets well.

And that we never hear another word about any of it.

35. frtitzcat - 26 August 2007

Actually, the line about the low 300,000s was mine, not NP. Just to give credit where due, and all.


36. Hair Club for Men - 26 August 2007

The real Keith Moon was actually notorious for dressing up in a full Hitler outfit and walking around London.

Of course he did it as a joke. When Elias puts his Keith Moon/Hitler outfit on to repost press releases from Memri and have the daily 15 minutes of hate against Palestinians, he’s deadly serious. Kill em all, kill ALL the wogs in Gaza.

37. Hair Club for Men - 26 August 2007

Of course no Zionist would ever take the name “John Lennon”.

“Imagine there’s no countries. It isn’t hard to do. Nothing to kill or die for. And no religion too. Imagine all the people. Living life in peace… “

38. Hair Club for Men - 26 August 2007




39. frtitzcat - 26 August 2007

I got suckered into buying a “John Lennon” CD at the coffee shop from Hell. I put it on. It wasnt that good. Dated. Whiny, selfish.

My two favorites: “Mother” and “God.”

Imagine lennon as a blogger!

All in all, its now more clear than ever that George Martin made the Beatles.

As women have completed their inevitable power grab for ultimate world control from men, and each succeeding generation of boyz becomes “feminized,” IE more gurlish in appearance, outlook and demeanor (see YKOS 2007 photos/videos for further details),we surely shall never again see another Keith Moon.

The ladies are making damned sure of that.

Unfortunately, there will be many many more John Lennons.

40. supervixen - 26 August 2007

Oh no, not again….

My Life is Falling Apart by MaryScott O’Connor

Woe, woe is me, bring on the fainting couch.

I like this sentence, though:

At this point in time, I do not give a shit about you and your personal issues in the world of blogging.

Well guess what, I feel the same way about you.

41. supervixen - 26 August 2007

bay – thanks for the (sad) story – I was wondering whatever happened to Dick Shawn.

He was great as Ethel Merman’s son in It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World, too.

I haven’t yet seen the new Producers. How could it improve on the original?

42. supervixen - 26 August 2007

in spam, I think…

43. supervixen - 26 August 2007

That anti-Muslim diary is sick, ignorant bullshit. Fortunately some commenters are calling the guy on it.

44. Hair Club for Men - 26 August 2007

She’s says “I don’t know…” He says it’s ok. She never says no. They have sex; she passes out.

This would seem to me to be an extremely *rare* way it would happen. I can’t imagine many women would want to go through the hell of a prosecution for this.

It’s more likely something like they’re both drunk. She says no. He says oh come on we’ve gone this far and I’m not stopping now. She starts yelling incoherently. He says oh no. I’m too drunk I can’t stop. Then the next morning she accuses him of raping her.

45. Hair Club for Men - 26 August 2007

As much as I hate the Bushie fundamentalists, so much more so–to the 100th degree–do I have utter contempt for Muslim fundamentalists. I honestly don’t give a damn if they’re “offended”–let all the ideas be expressed in the open, and let the chips fall where they may.

Islamic fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism and Zionism are just three different strategies the American ruling class uses to police the Middle East and the USA at home.

Saying you hate Islamic fundamentalism more than you hate Christian fundamentalism is a bit like saying you hate the air force more than you hate the navy.

Take Iran or Afghanistan. In each case, the American, Christian ruling class very consciously supported Islamists against Communism.

Or take Indonesia. The US ruling class didn’t support Islamic fundamentalists. Suharto wasn’t an Islamist. BUT they supported a right wing government that massacred 600,000 communists.

With no Indonesian communist party, no secular alternative, the poor turned to Islamism.

It’s a racket. You bulk up the Islamic fundies abroad. Then you use them to scare your own people at home.

46. Hair Club for Men - 26 August 2007

MAYBE, if a woman does not want to get taken advantage of, that MAYBE she shouldn’t get passed out drunk at a frat party.

Hmm. That gives me an idea. Maybe I’ll start taking the Ferry from Wall Street to Atlanic Highlands a bit more.

There are plenty of drunken investment bankers lying about. If I should steal a wallet and get a few credit cards and social security cards and engage in a little ebay fraud and identity theft, well, the cops wouldn’t prosecute me, would they?

I mean, once those drunken yuppes decide to drink too much and take the ferry, well, they shouldn’t expect not to get their wallets stolen, should they.

47. marisacat - 26 August 2007

Just let several out of spam and moderation.

HC, SV, frtitz

they should be upthread… 😉

48. frtitzcat - 26 August 2007

Saturday Open Thread on MLW a classic for the ages, in which in very short order we discover: MSOC cant quite believe the site metre numbers are inching ever closer to zero. NP says its the defection of the BHD cowd, (whoever that is). No, its not them, says MSOC, they have only 3-12 people logged in at any time. Then Karmafish, the designated KKKossackkk switches neatly to : what can be done to rebuild the site? Bring it back into alignment with DKOS? Hey, now theres a thought….not until they get some scruples, shoots back C. the Stolid…durrati says more front page diversity (hey! thats my schtick buddy!)….

And so on until, finally, MSOC announces: MY LIFE IS FALLING APART.

NonPartisan, in caring, bedside manner: Care to Share?????

But of course, dahlink.

That NP guy cracks me up. Real Progressive History In The Making….Get It Here, Get It First at RealHistry Progressiveism, or wtf.


49. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2007

On the Use and Abuse of History

I come back to this after re-reading George W. Bush’s speech before the VFW last week, which I discussed in my post, The Weimar President. Again, it strikes me that Bush’s use of history in this speech is consistent, and it is perverse. And Nietzsche’s criticism of the Wilhelmine era historicity of Germany can be transposed and applied with very little change against the Bush historicity.

Bush is using history as a tool with which to enshrine reactionary, militaristic values which do not characterize the wars, conflicts and popular spirit of the times he is describing. In a sense, like the popular historiographers of the Wilhelmine period, he is retrofitting history with a plot line of his own devising. He wants to make the past line up perfectly with his own adventurist policies. And to do this he tried to pound a round peg into a square hole with a sledge hammer. That becomes evident in his revisionist approach to Vietnam. As Jon Stewart reminds us in a too-dreadful-to-be-comic send-up on the Daily Show, only two years ago, Bush was insisting that Vietnam has no parallel to the Iraq conflict. Now he invokes it as an essential parallel. And in the process, we learn that from Bush’s perspective, all the facts about the Vietnam conflict have suddenly changed.

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2007

And the earlier piece he references: The Weimar President:

Last year, Donald Rumsfeld appeared about this same time before two veterans organizations and gave speeches talking about “appeasement,” “Munich,” and “1938.” The malicious and historically uninformed nature of his remarks could not, I thought, be topped. I was wrong. The resort to the “stabbed in the back” argument reflects the worst sort of political bottom fishing. It is the sort of thing a democratic leader should never do. We should all keep in mind the peculiar provenance of the argument that Bush brandished yesterday and promises to make into a theme: it was used to demolish a democracy and to introduce a totalitarian dictatorship. Weimar fell because it was a democracy without enough democrats committed to its institutional survival. Too few of her citizens mustered the courage to stand for the basic values of a democratic state. And that is the lesson of Weimar Germany which we dare not forget.

51. Hair Club for Men - 26 August 2007

As Jon Stewart reminds us in a too-dreadful-to-be-comic send-up on the Daily Show, only two years ago, Bush was insisting that Vietnam has no parallel to the Iraq conflict.

I haven’t seen the Jon Stewart episode but give me a fucking break. It’s been obvious since the presidential election in 2004 when Kerry tried to run as a war hero and got owned by the Swift Boaters that the primary, subtext justifying the contnuing occupation of Iraq has always been the right-wing revisionist history of Vietnam.

If “we” pull out now, Iraq will be transformed into Pol Pot Land.

I’m sorry, but if liberals were too stupid and too gutless to understand that until Bush made it explicit there’s no hope for them. And if they don’t see they’re own complicity by running Kerry as a war hero and not calling Vietnam for the war crime it was, then I have no hope they’ll ever redeem themselves.

52. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2007

San Fernando City Council Pass Resolution For Impeachment

After the Council had heard the impeachable offenses committed by President Bush, Councilman Jose Hernandez, whom was the first elected officials to speak quipped, “Why stop at Bush? We should impeach Congress too.” Mayor Julie Ruelas piped up, “What about Cheney?” Councilman Steve Veres said the Iraqi war hits home in San Fernando because the first casualty of the war was a San Fernando High School graduate. Veres said the public comment was, “Right On.”

53. marisacat - 26 August 2007

I’m sorry, but if liberals were too stupid and too gutless to understand that until Bush made it explicit there’s no hope for them. And if they don’t see they’re own complicity by running Kerry as a war hero and not calling Vietnam for the war crime it was, then I have no hope they’ll ever redeem themselves.

—–Hair Club


I have said here before that in order to divorce themselves from propaganda AND their own history (the CW/media never publicly discusses at the popular level that Ford withdrew from Vietnam, the endless drivel is that the Democrats ”lost Vietnam”, of course it is more complicated than that), the Democratic party at the national level is going to wage war, with the powers that Bush grabbed.

They want to shed any taint of the era of war opposition, anti war movement etc.

The best way for them – in their view,is to wage war.

That is all the coming election is about. And, in fact it is why for me (other people will do other things, in their own best evaluation) it is a political act to withhold my vote.

I won’t vote for the coming wars and disenfranchisment of people. Just not going to do it.

54. frtitzcat - 26 August 2007

Multiple meltdowns occurring at MLW. Some guy named Eppppppie is being even a bigger A-hole than Donkeytale! Wrote his GBCW “Fuck MLW” or wtf and goes after someone name “Nion”

Who is “Nion?”

Enquiring minds need to know…

Eppppppppie even calling the Dented Diva an “a-hole” right to her blogface! Twice or Three Times!

The noive!

55. marisacat - 26 August 2007

Good for San Fernando Valley

56. frtitzcat - 26 August 2007

Multiple meltdowns occurring at MLW. Some guy named Eppppppie is being even a bigger A-hole than Donkeytale! Wrote his GBCW “Fuck MLW” or wtf and goes after someone name “Nion”

Who is “Nion?”

Enquiring minds need to know…

Eppppppppie even calling the Dismayed Diva an “a-hole” right to her blogface! Twice or Three Times!

The noive!

57. marisacat - 26 August 2007

Speaking of drunk… Warner on MTP. Someone should roll him when he is drunk.

There is not enough make up in the world, and his pancake is HEAVY.

So clear he is pulling out senatese 202, ”I can do it hung over”.

Such bullfuckingshit we are served.

58. marisacat - 26 August 2007


Never in our Names? Should be a blog I thought.

59. Hair Club for Men - 26 August 2007

Who is “Nion?”

NION was originally “Not in Our Name”, an anti-war organization partly organizied by the RCP in the runup to the war in Iraq.

Later on some Prog Dems took over the initials name for a website and rebranded it as “Never in Our Names”.

60. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2007
61. Hair Club for Men - 26 August 2007

I won’t vote for the coming wars and disenfranchisment of people. Just not going to do it.

How about some kind of protest action where people symbolically “throw” away their votes.

You can have ballots printed up with “Pro War Republican” and “Pro War Democrat” and a big garbage can.

Then invite the media while everybody tosses their pro war votes into the trash and lights it on fire.

62. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2007

back to drugs … smugglers are increasingly using submarines.

63. marisacat - 26 August 2007


Agree… and Shdowthief had some interesting thoughts in the previous thread… I did not have a chance last night to reply… but will pull it up.

CSTAR too commented, previous thread.

64. marisacat - 26 August 2007

oh Warner was SO hungover.

65. marisacat - 26 August 2007

“burning votes” — probably about time.

66. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

Good morning, Vipers. I had a good night’s rest and am ready to begin my serial blog-wrecking apace.

Re: TINS. I’m quite certain that Mr. Atkins has been short-listed as a DKos frontpager.

Re: Racism at DailyKos. Is anyone here surprised? We witnessed Mr. Longman’s (Booman’s) racist screed a day or two ago at his blog, in which he opined that if the Moslems didn’t want the United States bombing the daylights out of their countries, they shouldn’t have allowed 19 of their number to hijack commercial airliners and use them to attack the Pentagon and the WTC towers. So take THAT, Abdullah, age five, killed by US bombs and who wasn’t even BORN on 11 September 2001. You should have had the foresight to be born an Israeli and thereby enjoy the protection of the United States. Better luck on the next reincarnation, little fellow.

The pine cone doesn’t fall far from the tree in Mr. Longman’s case. I do agree with Mr. Holland that DailyKos is a “white supremacy” site, but not in a KuKluxKlan sort of way. Rather, what DailyKos reinforces is the image of a collection of upper middle-class white folk who vehemently deny any class, race, gender, or ethnic prejudice whilst practising all of them a thousand times a day. In that way, DailyKos fulfills Moulitsas’ promise that it is “in the mainstream” of America, because the Kossackatonians are merely reflecting the prejudices of “mainstream” America.

The saddest part is that the Iraqi people–and Arabs in general–are some of the most hospitable people on earth, tho’ of course you’d never learn that from watching American television. The only time I see an Arab on American television is when one has got a gun in his hand or is lying dead amidst rubble. The people I didn’t care for were the Kuwaitis (remember, the ones we came to “rescue” during GW1): bunch of spoilt babies who mistook British soldiers for their private security guards.

An excellent book on the topic of how Moslems are misperceived in the West is “Good Muslim, Bad Muslim” by Mahmood Mamdani. I actually read the book two years ago, so my memory of its details are a bit fuzzy, but here’s a very good description from its Amazon.com review (even though I actually buy my books online from Powell’s):

Osama bin Laden’s pronouncements are rarely published in full in the United States, but transcripts of his messages-often available overseas-provide startling insight into the political, rather than religious, nature of his thinking. “Labeling us, and our acts, as terrorism is also a description of you and your acts,” bin Laden said recently. “Our acts are a reaction to your acts.” In this meandering rumination on modern-day terrorism, Mamdani takes a controversial step by agreeing with bin Laden, at least on this point; he argues that groups like al-Qaeda are generally motivated by legitimate political grievances with U.S. foreign policy. “In a nutshell,” Mamdani writes, “the U.S. government decided to harness and even to cultivate terrorists” during the latter half of the Cold War as it sought to roll back the Soviet Union’s global influence. Now, with that legacy coming back to haunt its creators, Mamdani concludes that “no Chinese wall divides ‘our’ terrorism from ‘their’ terrorism. Each tends to feed the other.” These ideas evolved from a series of talks the author gave at New York’s Riverside Church in the weeks after 9/11, and the book retains the informality of those discussions. There are flashes of inspiration, among them a thoughtful distinction between “political Islam” and “Islamic fundamentalism,” two terms that are frequently and wrongfully used synonymously.

But, as Moulitsas himself once bragged, “I don’t read books”, and from what I can tell of most of his Kossackatonianvites, most of them don’t read, either. Their only references are what they watch on CNN and occasionally read in a newspaper. I doubt most of them even read mainstream magazines such as Newsweek or Time, which I consider inferior sources of journalism but would at least be something.

And books? Heaven forfend! Reading those takes away valuable troll patrol and recipe-posting time. I noticed the conspicuous absence of any sort of book-selling kiosk at YearlyKos: such kiosks are pretty standard at most political conventions, but I think Ms. Gina Cooper correctly judged that a book kiosk that didn’t stock “The Amazing Spiderman” comics would be a big money-loser at YKos.

I’ll stop now, lest I digress into old war stories.

67. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

The Booklist review of “Good Muslim, Bad Muslim”:

Many of the many post-September 11 books probing the causes of Islamic terrorism invoke Samuel Huntington-esque notions about clashes of culture; many of the same books would like to dissociate the “war on terrorism” of the twenty-first century from the more conventional conflicts of the late twentieth century. Both these notions are Mamdani’s targets in this book. Politicizing notions of Islam by differentiating between secular, Westernized (“good”) Muslims and fanatical, medieval (“bad”) Muslims, Mamdani argues, misrepresents the often apolitical character of Islam. It also dangerously ignores cold war-era American complicity in the turbulence of the Muslim world through the waging of proxy wars, particularly the one in Afghanistan in which, says Mamdani, the CIA created Osama bin Laden. Those familiar with Noam Chomsky’s recent work will likely find some of Mamdani’s arguments familiar, particularly his discussion of imperialistic political violence, racism, and the modern state. Where Mamdani is unique and particularly compelling, however, is in drawing on his African-studies background to back up his assertions about violence, terrorism and Islam.

68. marisacat - 26 August 2007

Madman —

and think of all that gets thru. It was a hoot when they busted that ONE sub…

A friend who went to work on a MJ farm in Humboldt said that when they opened, they went for a meeting iwth the sheriff. he said, keep it under a million per annum (dollar take) and no problem.


69. brinn - 26 August 2007

‘mornin’ vipes — just catching up on things around here! There are many links on my reading list for this afternoon. Big plans today include a movie with my boys and washing the dog. School starts back up again next week, so I be even more scarce than usual for a while!

Just wanted to say “hi” and have a good day!

70. Hair Club for Men - 26 August 2007

Westernized (”good”) Muslims and fanatical, medieval (”bad”) Muslims,

And yet the only Muslim countries that have committed genocide have been Westernized good Muslim countries, Turkey and Indonesia.

The Saudis have never tried to wipe out their Shiite population. The Iranians have gone after their Jewish population.

I’m not defending Saudi Arabia or Iran but genocide seems very much a phenonemon of western, secular nationalism, not Islamic fundamentalism.

I guess that’s why Darfur is so much more important to the ruling class than the Congo or Iraq or Somalia.

There you can make the Fukayama influnced argument that things like genocide and ideology in general are a thing of the past in good western countries and alive and well in the Sudan.

Of course the absurdity of saying you can’t compare the head of a superpower to the Nazis but you can compare the government of the Sudan to the Nazis when the entire point of Hitler was that he was the dicator of the most powerful, most advanced country in Europe never occurs to them.

71. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

hrh–Someone posted highly critical comments on YouTube on videos of frontpagers such as Miss Laura and McJoan, and one of Kos’ flying monkeys descended and assumed that the complainant was YOU.

Poor blighters, they’ve made so many enemies they can’t even keep them all sorted. I’d like to start a blog called “Village of the Banned” where people who’ve been banned from DailyKrap can stop by, share their story, and add their name to an alphabetised register. I think the list would eventually stretch to thousands of names if we could get everybody to stop by.

72. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

Marisacat: No need to go back and search for that idea I had. Here it is. My original proposal is far more elaborate than HCFM (this is from yesterday’s thread, comment #75):

I’d like to see a group organised that would publicly boycott the 2008 elections–in a big way.

The way to demonstrate this public boycott would be to run an alternate slate of candidates–not on an official ballot, and the results would not have any legal consequence–in every state. Tally up millions upon millions of votes for the candidates (or issues) we want and don’t get from the Imperial Corporate War Party or whatever it is they’re calling the Democratic-Republican borg collective this week.

The boycott bloc would open its own polling places and people would have to register to NOT vote.

In Chicago, of course, people could show up and not vote as many times as they wish. It’s important to respect local tradition and customs, I think.

I would call this–pardon me, please–a “shadow election”, after the parliamentary tradition of the opposition party having a “shadow cabinet”. The “shadow election” puts nobody in office, of course, but that’s the point–why aren’t we allowed to have fair, free elections that are about the candidates who represent our views and about the issues that are important to us?

73. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

Bigotry in print:

Religion of Peace?: Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn’t

by Robert Spencer

Christianity or Islam: which is the real “religion of peace”?

Almost any liberal pundit will tell you that there’s a religion bent on destroying our Constitution, stripping us of our liberties, and imposing religious rule on the U.S. And that religion is . . .Christianity! About Islam, however, the Left is silent–except to claim a moral equivalence between the two: if Islam has terrorists today, that’s nothing compared to the Crusades, inquisitions, and religious wars in Christianity’s past.

But is this true? Are conservative Christians really more of a threat to free societies than Islamic jihadists? Is the Bible really “just as violent” as the Qur’an? Is Christianity’s history really as bloodstained as Islam’s? In Religion of Peace? Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn’t, New York Times bestselling author Robert Spencer not only refutes such charges, but also explains why Americans and Europeans must regain an appreciation of our Christian heritage if we ever hope to defeat Islamic supremacism.

Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch, a program of the David Horowitz Freedom Center, and author of the New York Times bestsellers The Truth about Muhammad and The Politically Incorrect Guide(tm) to Islam (and the Crusades), as well as four other critically acclaimed books on Islam and terrorism, including Islam Unveiled and Onward Muslim Soldiers. He has also written eight monographs and hundreds of articles. Spencer lives in a secure, undisclosed location.

This piece of shit pile of typing is on Amazon’s “Hot 100” list of new books.


74. marisacat - 26 August 2007

lance Armstrong on NBC and EE on FTN, cancer cancer. And then cancer. And more cancer.


Armstrong politiking to be Cancer Czar.

So many Romanovs so little time.

75. marisacat - 26 August 2007

voting blocs, ones with intestinal strength.

Only way to go.

76. Hair Club for Men - 26 August 2007

I cancer Cancer Emperor or Drug Emperor or War King just doesn’t sound as good.

Russian absolves a world of sins.

I’ve always wondered too why you say Islamo Fascists and not Islamo Communists or Islamo Evil Bad Non White Subjects of the Benevolent Empire.

77. marisacat - 26 August 2007

In Chicago, of course, people could show up and not vote as many times as they wish. It’s important to respect local tradition and customs, I think. — Shadowthief

LOL here we say Colma Votes. Colma, just south of the City, is almost all cemetaries.

78. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

Let be be the finale of seem
The only emperor is the Czar of the hospital’s cancer wing

with apologies to Wallace Stevens

I find it most curious that in the United States, research into the treatment and cure of diseases–AIDS, various forms of cancer–is heartily supported, but basic health care (which would actually do more to produce a long-lived, healthy population through preventative steps) is unavailable to a third of the population.

In other words: scientists are going to come up with a pill that will cure any form of cancer. Swallow it and your cancer is gone in 24 hours, right as rain. Only sticking points: It costs $100,000 and your HMO won’t pay for it. You’d be better off living a healthy lifestyle that reduces your chances of getting the cancer in the first place.

But preventative medicine isn’t profitable and research into far-off cures are, so it’s the latter that gets funded the the former that gets the fuzzy end of the lollipop.

79. Hair Club for Men - 26 August 2007

In Chicago, of course, people could show up and not vote as many times as they wish. It’s important to respect local tradition and customs

So if I vote for War in Florida the ballot ignores my vote and registers it as a vote for War?

80. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

Marisacat, isn’t the saying in Chicago something like, “The Daly family are so popular with the voters that many of them rose from the grave to vote for them”?

And “Vote early and vote often!”.

I really do think we’re on to something with this shadow election idea. Organise it as a party and let people write whomever they damn well please on the ballot. I think if you made it very colourful and fun, the mainstream media might even cover it (before they realised we were dead serious).

81. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

Bloody hell, I misquoted “The Emperor of Ice Cream”. Put an article “the” in there where it doesn’t belong:


Let be be finale of seem
The only emperor is the emperor of ice cream.

I once quoted some poetry–one by Housman, another bit by Stevens, another bit by Stevie Smith–at DailyKos and some of the Kossackatonians complimented me for being such a gifted poet. I attributed the poetry correctly, but obviously they skipped over that bit and gave me full credit. Hm, should’ve taken the opportunity to dazzle them with my recently completed play, Romeo and Ethel, the Pirate’s Daughter.

What do they teach in the schools today?

82. penlan - 26 August 2007

Hi All..Have a message about catnip. Her Internet modem isn’t working & she can’t connect. This may take a few days to fix. Hopefully sooner rather than later…

Just wanted to let you all know in case you begin to wonder what has happened to her.

Hope everyone’s enjoying their day…

83. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2007

well, there is an easier way to demonstrate that you’re withholding your vote:

vote on every other line on the ballot, ESPECIALLY local races and initiatives.

84. marisacat - 26 August 2007


thanks so much… she mentioned ysterday it might be a few hours… sorry to hear there is a delay.

85. penlan - 26 August 2007

You’re welcome, Mcat…the Cable Co. has to come out & check things & they can’t get there until sometime Wed. Unless there is some other way to fix it before they get there.

86. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

Not that anyone has solicited my advice, but if MSOC wants to patch things up in her personal life, wouldn’t it be wise not to air her troubles with her husband on her blog? I’ve had my differences with my wife (proud to say we’ve never exchanged gunfire), but I would not want her publicising our disputes, minor or major, for public discussion. Perhaps MSOC’s husband doesn’t mind, but I’m hard-pressed to think of many other men who wouldn’t mind the public display of a marital rough patch.

It’s one thing to commiserate with friends over your troubles–after all, what are friends for?–but quite another to throw your marital difficulties out for public consumption.

Well, I do hope it all works out for her; marriage can be a difficult row to hoe.

87. supervixen - 26 August 2007


hrh–Someone posted highly critical comments on YouTube on videos of frontpagers such as Miss Laura and McJoan, and one of Kos’ flying monkeys descended and assumed that the complainant was YOU.

Oh yeah? Where?

If there are highly critical comments to be made of Miss Laura and McJoan then I must join in. it’s my civic duty.

88. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

Let me have a look. I registered just to uprate some of the critical comments–YouTube now has this damnable ratings system that looks like it was designed by one of those Kossack devils.

Here’s the links:



89. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2007

Oh god, like the Donks actually give a damn about voters’ votes:

Facing DNC sanctions today for moving up their primary, Beth Reinhard finds Florida Democrats invoking “the biggest bogeyman of all: the 2000 presidential recount.”

Said Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL): “We’re going to fight to have Florida Democratic votes counted. It’s always been a top priority for the Democratic National Committee to protect the rights of every eligible American to vote, and we hope the DNC is going to continue to honor this right.”

Sure, Senator Nelson, that WAS leapt to your feet in ’01 to give the CBC the one Senator they needed to investigate the election theft in FL, right?


fuckers, they’ll say anything to advance their petty internal games.

90. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

Ah, who can forget that formidable voting bloc in Florida, Jews for Buchanan. Apparently, Pat Buchanan is very popular with the retired Jewish residents in south Florida, if one goes by the 2000 election results….

91. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2007
92. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2007

Beyond the Rhetoric of Withdrawal: Our Unknown Air War Over Iraq

There’s an air war over Iraq. It’s invisible (here). It’s deadly (there).

The Iraq air war may be the longest such war in history. In one way or another it has been undermining Iraq’s sovereignty, destroying its infrastructure, and killing and maiming Iraqis for some 16 years.

Despite global pressure to withdraw, Bush Inc. – and indeed the broader US power structure – has no intention of giving up Iraq. The potential oil bonanza is too huge. And Iran – with its oil bonanza – is next door.

That air war is intensifying. The US dropped five times as many bombs in Iraq during the first six months of 2007 as it did in the first half of 2006.

“When the troops are cut, we’ll still be bombing the hell out of the place.”

93. supervixen - 26 August 2007


muchamused (21 hours ago) -3 (Reply)
I have a question for you, Heather: how’s your own world-class uberfeminist blog doing? You know, the one full of recipes and months-old cut-n-paste diaries from DKos? I bet you’ve just taken the liberal feminist blogosphere by STORM with that bitchy, yet somehow shallow and repetitive melange of unprovoked namecalling and envious trash talk (er, I mean heroic, incisive commentaries), right?

Oh. Never mind.

BTW, McJoan is publishing a book. What have YOU done lately besides posting more spew?

Hmm, sounds like McJoan herself there. Or one of her acolytes who has absorbed her writing style.

Well, funny you should ask, McJoan / Faux McJoan! I’m writing TWO books, neither of which has anything to do with lameass poseurs trying to be political operatives.

But I’m not “veronicatheviking”. Obviously there are other people out there who are unimpressed with you.

94. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

More from the “That Will NEVER EVER Happen” file of Failed Predictions:

August 26, 2007
Drop Foreseen in Median Price of U.S. Homes

The median price of American homes is expected to fall this year for the first time since federal housing agencies began keeping statistics in 1950.

Economists say the decline, which could be foreshadowed in a widely followed government price index to be released this week, will probably be modest — from 1 percent to 2 percent — but could continue in 2008 and 2009. Rather than being limited to the once-booming Northeast and California, price declines are also occurring in cities like Chicago, Minneapolis and Houston, where the increases of the last decade were modest by comparison.

The reversal is particularly striking because many government officials and housing-industry executives had said that a nationwide decline would never happen, even though prices had fallen in some coastal areas as recently as the early 1990s.

While the housing slump has already rattled financial markets, it has so far had only a modest effect on consumer spending and economic growth. But forecasters now believe that its impact will lead to a slowdown over the next year or two.

“For most people, this is not a disaster,” said Nigel Gault, an economist with Global Insight, a research firm in Waltham, Mass. “But it’s enough to cause them to pull back.”

In recent years, many families used their homes as a kind of piggy bank, borrowing against their equity and increasing their spending more rapidly than their income was rising. A recent research paper co-written by the vice chairman of the Federal Reserve said that the rise in home prices was the primary reason that consumer borrowing has soared since 2001.

Now, however, that financial cushion is disappearing for many families. “We are having to start from scratch and rebuild for a down payment,” said Kenneth Schauf, who expects to lose money on a condominium in Chicago he and his wife bought in 2004 and have been trying to sell since last summer. “We figured that a home is the place to build your wealth, and now it’s going on three years and we are back to square one.”


The article is not behind the NYT subscription firewall.

These same industry analysts and government “experts” are now reassuring us that the US is NOT in an economic meltdown that’s going to lead to a very severe, prolonged recession.

And we should believe them why?

95. marisacat - 26 August 2007

Big Pharma man Lance Armstrong wants a “smoke free America” (this am iwth Big Catholic Russert).


Kill the wars.

96. marisacat - 26 August 2007

Is thre a link to loose baby poo drivel from the Koswhackian-uber-fake-scholar-fellows?

97. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2007
98. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 August 2007

Hurricane George – How the White House Drowned New Orleans by Greg Palast:

It’s been two years. And America’s media is about to have another tear-gasm over New Orleans. MaybeAnderson Cooper will weep again. The big networks will float into the moldering corpse of the city and give you uplifting stories about rebuilding and hope.

Now, let’s cut through the cry-baby crap. Here’s what happened two years ago – and what’s happening now.

This is what an inside source told me. And it makes me sick:

“By midnight on Monday, the White House knew. Monday night I was at the state Emergency Operations Center and nobody was aware that the levees had breeched. Nobody.”

The charge is devastating: That, on August 29, 2005,

the White House withheld from the state police the information that New Orleans was about to flood. From almost any other source, I would not have believed it. But this was not just any source. The whistle-blower is Dr. Ivor van Heerden, deputy director of the Louisiana State University Hurricane Center, the chief technician advising the state on saving lives during Katrina.

I’d come to van Heerden about another matter, but in our talks, it was clear he had something he wanted to say, and it was a big one. He charged that the White House, FEMA and the Army Corp hid, for critical hours, their discovery that the levees surrounding New Orleans were cracking, about to burst and drown the city.

Understand that Katrina never hit New Orleans. The hurricane swung east of the city, so the state evacuation directors assumed New Orleans was now safe – and evacuation could slow while emergency efforts moved east with the storm.

But unknown to the state, in those crucial hours on Monday, the federal government’s helicopters had filmed the cracks that would become walls of death by Tuesday.

Van Heerden revealed:

“FEMA knew at 11 o’clock on Monday that the levees had breeched. At 2p.m. they flew over he 17th Street Canal and took video of the breech.”

Why not tell us this before?

99. marisacat - 26 August 2007

Oh too funny:

‘There are American officials who consider Iraq as if it were one of their villages, for example Hillary Clinton and Carl Levin. They should come to their senses,’ al-Maliki said at a news conference.

Al-Maliki launched the verbal counter-offensive in the final days before the American commander in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus, and U.S. ambassador Ryan Crocker are due in Washington to report to Congress on progress in Iraq since the introduction of 30,000 more America troops.”

Villages. Takes one. The crew in Crawford is going to be oh so pleased to wake up to this one.

and below that story is the latest on the FL delegate, slap them now rather than later stuff from the DNC meeting.

Ben Smith’s Blog at politico

100. marisacat - 26 August 2007

MaybeAnderson Cooper will weep again. The big networks will float into the moldering corpse of the city and give you uplifting stories about rebuilding and hope. — Palast via MitM

Or you have Cornel West go in with John Demme, and the film Demme shot is remarkable, think by now I have seen it all, days of filming.

But then Cornel endorses OBama.

Who will not be doing anything for anybody. Talk about a run ot raise your national profile and thus your book price (the advance, I mean).

The media is bad. The “leadership” is worse.

101. marisacat - 26 August 2007

Madman some of that has come out before. But in dribs and drabs.

And while we are on NO, I think it is well past time that Moyers stop letting an evil person (On the NO reconstruction committee, for one) be the so called “counterpoint” on his shows and his specials on media nd the run up to war. That would be Isaacson formerly of CNN, New Orleans family and other associations.

Jesus Moyers can the cosyness. Not going to the Aspen Institute is not the end of the world.

102. marisacat - 26 August 2007

Just let Shadowthief out of Moderation…

SORRY! think it caught almsot all of yours today.


103. Sabrina Ballerina - 26 August 2007

Waving at Brinn! Have fun with the boys and the movie. There is a lot to catch up with. I’ve had difficulty with this site, very slow for some reason, so am still catching up.

Penlan, thanks for the info, would have been worried about Catnip. Tell her we’ll miss here and hope she is back online soon.

Marisacat, I also thought the Bloggers’ Choice awards was over. But it’s not. So people can still vote.

Thereisnospoon is a racist. He is so typical of ignorant Americans who have never gotten to know people in other countries. As Shadowthief said, and many, many others I know who have travelled throughout the ME, the people there, in Iraq, Jordon, UAE, Iran are wonderfully hospitable (well, they were until these brutal wars were launched).

Saying you hate Islamic fundamentalism more than you hate Christian fundamentalism is a bit like saying you hate the air force more than you hate the navy.

Saying you hate Islamic Fundalism more than Christian Fundalism is rightwing rhetoric to begin with.

Then, to say that reveals deep rooted prejudices which ignore the harm done, relatively speaking by each group in recent times, six decades or so. If your hatred is based on harm done to human beings, killing, torture, maiming, theft of resources, Christian Fundies win hands down, they make Islaminc Fundies look like kittly cats by comparison.

But I suspect Thereisnospoon’s hatred, and the diarist’s is not based on a fair assessment of harm, but simply on plain old racism.

Daily Kos is not a good place for minorities, definitely not a good place to discuss rationally, why there are terrorists. Some people there are wonderful on these issues, but they are not really free to say much without the thought patrol coming out of the woodwork.

104. marisacat - 26 August 2007

I’ve had difficulty with this site, very slow for some reason, so am still catching up.
— Sabrina

They probably got lost in the shuffle but i have posted a couple of comments between last and this thread (WP notice from last night is near or at the top of this thread)

it is running slow. They took it down unplanned two nights ago for maintenacne, two hours.

5 hours planned maintenance last night.

It does not feel as tho they were able to really pull it back together.

I find the site still slow, esp the “back pages”.

Oh well. No one said it was an internet rose garden…


105. marisacat - 26 August 2007

I just dropped in at PFF and see that “We Pray for Those We Love” has migrated to x posting.

I do decry the Hallmarkisation of the political blogs.

From long windy personal tales, told once fine, but told and told, then re told, only then to be told again.

Msoc is not the only perp in this.

Give it a break and try for political discussion.

Right, too fucking hard. Easier for skin rips and endless tears and prayer-a-thons. Clap for Peter Pan and TinkerBelle.

Light a candle. Do … and ignore the Santa Ana winds that feed the fire.

106. msxeno - 26 August 2007

SB, thanks for asking about me yesterday. I’m okay, but kind of on the groggy/wobbly side. They gave me sulfa for some problems and sulfa of course creates other problems while it’s fixing the old ones. Hail modern meds !! :p mr_xeno is also under the weather, so the only lively souls here are the cats, who are amusing themselves by stalking and killing spiders. Don’t know about the rest of you, but the end of August and the beginning of September is always peak spider-season around here. They turn up all over the house and I have to scoop them up in containers and put them outside before they become cat treats. Miraculously, I have yet to be bitten.

Oh, and I want SV’s autograph because McJoan never writes anything nice about ME. [pout]

Enough social club blather. Back to reading. [blush]

107. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

Re: The personalisation of the blogs.

Blogs are not a public therapy forum. I appreciate getting to know a bit about the people with whom I’m conversing, since people’s personal experience naturally colours their political experience and vice-versa…but, as the young people say, there is such a thing as TMI (too much info) and WTMI (way too much info).

Mixing the personal and the political is perfectly fine, and, if artfully done, can make the writing more lively and memorable. I skip over the diaries that are entirely personal and haven’t any politics in them whatsoever–there is a place for such diaries, and it’s NOT on a political blog.

I was suspicious from the beginning when people said “we are a COMMUNITY”. Well, communities have NORMS and norms require that some people be outside those norms in order to define the boundaries. Inevitably, as I feared, outsiders got themselves bullied and then banned to reinforce the sense of “community”. And soon “we are a community!” become the blog equivalent of “support the troops!”, a call to enforce the rule of the mob and to exclude uncomfortable ideas.

Sorry if I come across as a bit of a misanthrope. That’s actually truth in advertising.

108. marisacat - 26 August 2007

well proof of the kos “community” cancer was splayed out in ugly fashion in the diary of one Dr Willam F Harrison of podunck pot luck Fayetteville Arkansas. And I don’t indulge in location bashing. Particularly not North V South.

Come to parts of CA and see the rebel flag. Means the same thing.

But that diary was the tombstone. annrose acting as thread thug and Choice Joyce, whom I did so value for her work, as thread minder.

The whole thing a sad stupid job for Hillary.

One thing that needed to stay focused on women and abortion and ALL the transgressions agaisnt equality for women, was the abortion diaries. If it was to mean anything. And frankly the idea to run them at Dkos was highly … speculative, shall we say.

Too late.

I nominate WFH to mann both the feminismsssssssss panel at ‘Ykos3 Nutroots grow up to NutNation’ and to mannnnnnnnn the abortion panel.

Boy, call it over.

Abortion diaries from providers went kossack.

To sum it up in one line.

109. msxeno - 26 August 2007

If Hilary had any sense of decency, she’d have tapped folks like moiv and Joyce as advisors. Imagine that kind of proud defense (and offense) in a politician’s speech. Just one politician anywhere left of Bush. Instead of this insulting shit about how RARE abortions should be.

Once upon a time, I really believed all that Kossackian cheerleading about how the “liberals” (for the sake of catnip and the other sensitive souls here I add the quotation marks) were innocent victims, bandied about by the evil media and other slings and arrows not of their making. But I’ve been over that for awhile. If they cozy up to Rightwing thinkers, it’s no accident. Of course Hillary will use feminism and take its money, but she is no feminist. Except perhaps one of the IWF variety. She might just as well publicly cash a check from the Scaife Foundation, stick her tongue out at NARAL and the rest and be done with it.

I wish I could spam every “liberal” feminist blog out there with a diary called “It’s No Accident.” It’s hard to take pride in calling oneself a feminist when once again, I have to watch them all fall in a shambling line like zombies in a horror flick behind poor, poor blameless, well-meaning little Hillary. Ugh. A thousand times.

110. marisacat - 26 August 2007

Hillary is disinterested in touching abortion, escept as her Wednesday R and Right Wing prayer group in the senate approves.

End of story.


I think NARAL is getting the message. I now get emails from NARAL CA. A place where orgs (including NARAL) and the state dem party DID band together, work hard and repel two attempts at parental notification

NARAL SD also did real ont he ground work in SD, as I wrote about at the time.

They realise the national game is gone. And so many orgs contributed and still contribute to the national game being cancer.

111. msxeno - 26 August 2007

Everything gives you cancer
Everything gives you cancer
There’s no cure, there’s no answer
Everything gives you cancer

Don’t touch that dial
Don’t try to smile
Just take this pill
It’s in your file

Don’t work hard
Don’t play hard
Don’t plan for the graveyard


Don’t work by night
Don’t sleep by day
You’ll feel all right
But you will pay

No caffeine
No protein
No booze or


And don’t play that piano !!

No caffeine
No protein
No booze or

— Joe Jackson, circa 1983

Sorry. Couldn’t help myself.

112. outofwater - 26 August 2007

This is a progressive leader:

i’ll tip(39+ / 0-)

It’s ridiculous. No doubt that U.S. foreign policy has driven a lot of people to be justifiably upset, but fundamentalism is the enemy of justice and freedom everywhere.

As much as I hate the Bushie fundamentalists, so much more so–to the 100th degree–do I have utter contempt for Muslim fundamentalists. I honestly don’t give a damn if they’re “offended”–let all the ideas be expressed in the open, and let the chips fall where they may.

by thereisnospoon on Sat Aug 25, 2007 at 09:14:41 PM PDT

We are so screwed.

113. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2007

So much to catch up on.

First of all, it looks like there’s at least a temporary fix for my internets problems. We’ll see how long that lasts. Thanks to penlan for filling you guys in.

Secondly, Jay Elias GOT PWNED.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

114. mattes - 26 August 2007

Shadowthief…just looked at dk videos..

….Is something wrong with mcjoan’s neck?

115. Intermittent Bystander - 26 August 2007

Just stopping by to drop off a couple of Hallmark cards for

MCat: Linky


ms xeno: Linky

I wrestled with matching these to respective recipients, but the poodle in the top one forced my hand.

116. msxeno - 26 August 2007

Let’s pop this beauty over to thereisnobooboobaboon’s collective and see if we can bring on a full-scale meltdown.

…The most controversial issue in Europe today is the fact that Europe is no longer purely European. One out of every twenty residents of Europe is a foreigner or born with foreign blood in their veins. That is an alarming statistic for the citizens of the ‘civilized’ continent. Having so many people with ‘inferior’ pigmentation walking around their neighborhoods disturbs them to no end. It seems just like yesterday that they managed to rid themselves of their yarmulke wearing population. Now, they have to deal with the hijab. For all the trouble they went to building concentration camps and destroying Jewish ghettos – they now have a bigger demographic problem with the many Arab, Turkish, Kurdish and South Asian communities who appear reluctant to accept ‘their values.’ If these ‘foreign intruders’ had the decency to demonstrate a little self-contempt – it would go a long way to reducing European bigotry. If they would just pick up their bags and ‘go back where they came from’ – Europeans would be more than happy to visit them in their native domicile and treat them with contempt ‘over there’… –Ahmed Amr , “Why Can’t We All Insult One Another,” 2/4/06

117. Revisionist - 26 August 2007

catnip —

do you have an ISP supplied modem? often on the back somewhere is a web address you can log into to update the firmware. Mine has in the past inexplicately reset itself to bad settings. Your ISP should be able to send a signal from their end and the tech can see the results. If the modem is going bad, you are better off just going to a computer store buying one there. They are usually cheaper and better quality.

118. msxeno - 26 August 2007

Another day, another fucked up tag. The drugs and//or PFF made me do it.

link to full article

119. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2007

Can’t do that with this company, ST. You have to use their modems. We think we know what the problem is though – a couple of splitters. The cable and internet come form the same company.

120. brinn - 26 August 2007

re#112 — damn you OOW!! I actually started reading that thread!

Found some gems such as this:
Remember the poll (0 / 0)
…where a large majority of people in Pakistan and some other Islamic countries believed that Jews were responsible for 9/11 and that Jews all didn’t show up for work that day, yadda yadda?

No more proof was needed that batshit-crazy Islamism is the norm in those countries, rather than just the outlook of a trademarked “few extremists.” There are even reports that the Taliban, trained in the madrsasas of Pakistan and representing the worst these medieval attitudes, are making a comeback in Afghanistan. These countries need to look within to modernize their outlooks that have no place in the 21st century, and stop looking for scapegoats.

by jmknapp on Sun Aug 26, 2007 at 04:25:28 AM PDT

and then I stopped.

121. msxeno - 26 August 2007

Why, bless your heart, IB. I have long wondered what would happen if one could put Picasso’s “Guernica” period in a blender along with equal parts Fred Rogers, Spuds McKenzie and Peter Cook. Another mystery solved !!


Oh, and welcome back from beyond, catnip.

122. Intermittent Bystander - 26 August 2007

Linky for catnip, too!

123. msxeno - 26 August 2007

brinn, you made it farther than I could. :/

I love people that use racist scapegoating to tell others that they shouldn’t create scapegoats. >:

124. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

I honestly don’t give a damn if they’re “offended”–thereisnospoon

That’s Mr. Atkins’ “one size fits all” comment. “They” = environmentalists, anybody over the age of 25, feminists, Moslems, liberals…you name it.

How is that this fellow calls himself “liberal”? I’ve yet to see Thereisnobrain post one opinion that I could classify as “liberal”, yet he keeps saying he’s a “progressive” and a “liberal”. Is he mentally feeble or just a fucking liar?

125. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

#114 Mattes

Re: Mcjoan’s neck

Well it looks as if her head is permanently tilted to the RIGHT, but no surprise there.

And mcjoan has a defender on YouTube: a 36-year-old sarcastic male (does that description fit anyone we know?) who claims mcjoan’s WRITING A BOOK.

My only question is: From whom will mcjoan copy and paste her book’s contents?

126. marisacat - 26 August 2007

LOL I have a fondness for this sub thread at PFF

There is a whole sub set online that thinks I am the wicked witch of the west for saying, in Msock’s case, “the father of the child needs to take the mother of the child out of the game” and that she waved her son’s picture around too damn much. She used it, imo.

My, I had committed capital murder. Frankly any one may disagree with my position but, in my view, it was just common sense. The illness and the cloying desire for self mortification infected blogs.

I was sick of it. As BHHM said, not her keeper.

So yeah you go Revisionist…;)

and by way of using it (the sub thread at PFF), will mention that I did nail down my own “blog name”… if you see a ‘Marisacat’ rating, it’s me.


127. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

That photograph of Mr. Longman is quite clearly a fake. He’s not nearly that tall and there’s no alcoholic beverage within reach. Other than that, spot on.

128. msxeno - 26 August 2007

I registered at PFF for purely copyright reasons. 😉 However, I have pondered starting a thread called “AUTHORITARIANS AMUCK !!” in which I will whine because I’m not allowed to rate my own comments.

129. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

BostonJoe has his diary, “We Pray For Those We Love” on the frontpage of MLW.

Not a believer in the power of prayer, I’m afraid. More of a “sit down and work out the problem with the power of your mind” sort of person. Some people claim that meditation or prayer helps give them strength to find their own solutions, so whatever works for them, works for them.

I just hate it, simply hate it, when people say they will “pray for me”. No, thank you. Don’t want it, don’t need it, please don’t do it. If you want to do something for me, please make the cheque payable to the Central Association of Shadowthief Helping, or just use the acronym: CASH.

130. marisacat - 26 August 2007

oh I cannot resist…

mcjoan may have had no neck – but Tennessee Williams never wrote about her lack of neck.

131. Revisionist - 26 August 2007

According to Ministry of Homeland Security don Michael Chertoff, “disaffected people living in the US may develop radical ideologies and potentially violent skills over the Internet, something that can present the next major security threat to the nation and to the world,” reports Reuters.

132. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

And there’s my Tennessee Williams reference for the day.

If I ever have another son, I shall name him after one of the fifty states.

Rhode Island….I like the way that sounds. I’ll start saving up for the child psychologist fees now.

133. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

I was going to say “Delaware” but it’s apparently already taken.

134. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

I find it interesting that, according to the timeline provided by both Holland and by Stu Piddy, Moulitsas interviewed with the CIA in 2003–one year AFTER starting DailyKos. So the blogger wanted to be a CIA agent…question is, had the CIA hired him, would Moulitsas have given up the blog? Or was that part of the deal?

135. msxeno - 26 August 2007

…I just hate it, simply hate it, when people say they will “pray for me…”

Yeah, I especially hate that when they KNOW I’m an atheist. I, too, would much rather have the check, or at least some hot soup. Forget the #$&!@* prayers !

Oh, and I found this for catnip. Hope it works. Reggae, sort of. In FRENCH !!

I hear the Canucks really go for that sort of thing.

136. marisacat - 26 August 2007

well I don’t know. Seems to me, back when Kos’ speech w interview at the Commonwealth Club was made – 15 months or so ago – he claimed he interviewed prior to his starting the blog.

Frankly all voices in this are so shrill and drone-like all at once, that it’s hard to keep track.

137. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

For those of you who don’t realise:

In his 2006 speech at the Commonwealth Club, Kos says:

1. He discussed his blog (DailyKos) with the CIA interviewers. He started that blog in 2002, yet claims the interview process took place over a six-month period in 2001.

2. Kos also says that the “Dean campaign took off” at the same time that he was offered employment with the CIA, and he took the route of working for Dean. As Stu Piddy wrote:

He states that in 2001 “I was underemployed, between jobs so I applied to the CIA” and later in reference to ANOTHER POINT IN TIME …he made a decision to work for Howad Dean instead of working for the CIA. That decesion(sic) could only have taken place in 2003. That is when he went to work for Howard Dean.

Moulitsas is like his flying monkeys: can’t keep his lies straight. No wonder the CIA didn’t hire him.

I find the revised timeline very revealing, and even more damning in light of Moulitsas’ praise of the CIA as a liberal institution.

138. Revisionist - 26 August 2007

I cant make heads or tails of the links to confirm but here is what is being reported around. “Something” is happening in the next few weeks.

The two sales are being referred to by market traders as “bin Laden trades” because only an event on the scale of 9-11 could make these short-sell options valuable.

There are 65,000 contracts @ $750.00 for the SPX 700 calls for open interest. That controls 6.5 million shares at $750 = $4.5 Billion. Not a single trade. But quite a bit of $$ on a contract that is 700 points away from current value. No one would buy that deep “in the money” calls. No reason to. So if they were sold looks like someone betting on massive dislocation. Lots of very strange option activity that I haven’t seen before.

The entity or individual offering these sales can only make money if the market drops 30%-50% within the next four weeks. If the market does not drop, the entity or individual involved stands to lose over $1 billion just for engaging in these contracts!.


139. msxeno - 26 August 2007

If the CIA were so great, they should have succeeded in (cough) “bringing democracy” (snerk) to Iran the first time. Don’t you think so, Kos.


Some days I really am sad that I don’t have the time and energy to become a full-time troll.

140. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

Marisacat, Holland and Stu Piddy have actually done a very good job of putting together a timeline that proves that Moulitsas either:

1. Interviewed for a longer time than the six months he claimed


2. Began the interview process with the CIA AFTER he started DailyKos.

Either way, Moulitsas is a liar. And in my experience, people do not just lie about one important thing; that lie is invariably a strand in a web of lies. I know that Holland goes over the top with his editorialising, but I’ll give the man his due: he has put together a decent chronology and some good source material on Moulitsas.

Link to the timeline: http://truth-about-kos.blogspot.com/

141. Shadowthief - 26 August 2007

I just responded to a the Kos/McJoan call for funds for Darcy Burner’s candidacy.

I mailed two pennies, taped to a card that reads:

Enclosed is my campaign contribution. Please remit the change to the return address on this envelope.

I’m really not a very nice person.

142. brinn - 26 August 2007

Great state names for boys and girls:

Nevada [grab this one while it’s “rare”!!}
Virginia [though a bit trite at this point]
Carolina [North or South]
Dakota [again North or South]

ok, yeah, I’m bored….strangely, I could find the girl option for our second child : Tangerine — the child had the sense to be born a boy! 😉

143. Hair Club for Men - 26 August 2007

Ack. Forget about Jay Elias. Did anybody see Tom Friedman’s column today.

Bin Laden’s gone from being a terrorist (which of course he is) to a practicioner of genocide (which is absurd since he’s a non-state actor in hiding from a superpower) to being a practicioner of genocide in Iraq (once again absurd since it’s the Shiites who are doing most of the ethnic cleansing).

144. Hair Club for Men - 26 August 2007

Considering all of the student/antiwar/cultural front grops the CIA astroturfed in the 1960s and the Daily Kos gee whiz aren’t they kool attitude towards the CIA and the military, the idea that the CIA would put up a website and hire a consultant to do it isn’t so far fetched.

I just wish they’d put out the Readers Digest abridged version of Francis Holland’s diaries. A lot of them read like old usenet troll posts trying to snuff out a usenet group through sheer incoherent volume.

145. Intermittent Bystander - 26 August 2007

The abundance of good will in my liberal bleeding heart is simply overflowing today.

A few words of encouragement for MSOC.

146. brinn - 26 August 2007

ST, re: #140, maybe not, but you’re my kind of “not very nice”!! I’d rather hang around with 13 of you than 1 “really nice person!

147. marisacat - 26 August 2007

new thread


148. Hair Club for Men - 26 August 2007

Secondly, Jay Elias GOT PWNED.

It’s actually even more complex than the Zionazis or the Knee Jerk anti-imperials are making it out to be.

The Taliban is certainly not an Arab movement, even though there were plenty of US backed Arab fighters in Afghanistan. As Rex Manning says, the Taliban are Pashtuns.

But it’s not really an Afghan movement either. The particularly toxic Islamism of the Taliban came out of the refugee camps in Pakistan that were created when the US and Russia were using their country as a boxing ring.

Refugee camps and poverty create fanaticism.

When Afghanistan descended into chaos after the Russians left and after the warlords wore one another down, the Taliban moved in.

They actually do bear some resemblence to the Khmer Rouge, a nothing movement that grew up n the cratered wasteland created by an American/Russian proxy war.

But they really don’t have much to do with traditional Islam since most of the Taliban can’t speak Arabic or read the Koran in the original and most of them interpret the Koran through their own strange tribal customers (which in turn were filtered through the Pakistani refugee camps).

Add to that some meddling by the Pakistani intelligence services and you have a strange witches brew indeed.

149. msxeno - 26 August 2007

I just know that if one more schmuck wraps himself in feminism in order to justify the invasion of Afghanistan I’m going to fucking scream. Like any of these jingoistic fuckheads gives a damn about helping women here. I use “helping” loosely, of course. But if oppression isn’t practiced by brown people far away I guess it doesn’t exist. I’d ask them why they don’t want Bob Jones U. or Hooters or some other proud bastion of sexism in the U.S. bombed and invaded, but it’s probably better if I don’t put ideas in their hollow little heads.

150. marisacat - 26 August 2007

Yes but you know what HAS to be said aobut Kos and the whole damned thing (and yes I know the CIA and whoever else is up to their nostril hairs in the media,

JJB long ago, before any Commonwealth Club slather from kos, opined that Kos might be a tool of more than the dem Party)

HOWEVER, we have no word but his own. I doubt the CIA would acknowlege much less disown his words. He is peanuts. LOL They are skrewy, but busy…

And two, if anyone was reading Kos or catching his interviews, print and media last year June, July August:

He was UNHINGED. Google and catch his interview, just one example, with Jake Tapper of ABC News. It was also televised, there may be a video around. LUNATIC. Alos TNR and Nat Review 9I mean the conservative mag) from that time have some of his comments isolated.

In my opinion he was not rational, or barely so (more than usual). My guess a combination of factors, massive head from ego bloat and whatever else.

So … I am kind of chary of the whole thing.

151. marisacat - 26 August 2007

Shadowthief and Hair Club just let out of moderation. One each…

Sorry! They are up thread slightly…

152. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2007

Not much of a difference between OBL and the CIA. At least OBL claims responsibility for his terrorism and isn’t busy other throwing countries by staging covert military coups and assassinations.

153. liberalcatnip - 26 August 2007

Linky for catnip, too!

rofl…thanks IB. 🙂

154. supervixen - 26 August 2007

ms x: “Bomb Hooters”! ROTFL!!

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