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Heat wave……… 30 August 2007

Posted by marisacat in Divertissements.

the heat has come in surges since yesterday early evening.  We are collectively pooped from it.  And I am not trapped in, as Eliot said, a perfectly fitting fur coat (or hey, close to those words)…




1. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

boy, I feel a little guilty posting this horror right under that lovely photo.

Torture school subjects children to lethal punishments

Mother Jones has a long, chilling feature on The Judge Rotenberg Education Center, a private radical behavior-modification school based in Canton, Mass. The school is run by a rogue behaviorist who uses discredited “punishment” techniques — electroshock — on children as young as nine to change their personalities. Matthew Israel, the school’s $400,000/year executive director, straps homemade, overpowered shock apparatus to children (including severely autistic and retarded kids) and has his staff administer strong shocks for even minor infractions. Some children have been shocked thousands of times a day, and several children have died at the school.

Eight states send troubled children to the school, where “high functioning” kids are “educated” by being sat in front of computers all day, running through automated tutorial programs. Talking, fidgeting, or acting out during this “school” time is punished with shocks. Some kids’ shock apparatus misfires, shocking them without any provocation. The staff are instructed to activate the shock apparatus out of sight of the children, so that they can’t mentally or physically prepare for it.

The Rotenberg process lacks any kind of scientific basis, and the school uses a 20-year-old film of its “successes” to convince parents to send their children to the program — however, some of the success stories in the film are still institutionalized at Rotenberg 20 years after their “cure,” wheelchair bound and in terrible shape.

What, no Skinner box?

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

I think one just went into spam.

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

I know I shouldn’t think this, but damn, they missed:

WASHINGTON (AP) – A military cargo plane carrying three senators and a House member was forced to take evasive maneuvers and dispatch flares to avoid ground fire after taking off from Baghdad on Thursday night.

The lawmakers said their plane, a C-130, was under fire from three rocket-propelled grenades over the course of several minutes as they left for Amman, Jordan.

“It was a scary moment,” said Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., who said he had just taken off his body armor when he saw a bright flash outside the window. “Our pilots were terrific. … They banked in one direction and then banked the other direction, and they set off the flares.”

Sens. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., and James Inhofe, R-Okla., as well as Rep. Bud Cramer, D-Ala., were also on the plane.

“We were jostled around pretty good,” said Cramer, who estimated the plane had ascended to about 6,000 feet. “There were a few minutes there where I wondered: ‘Have we been hit? Are we OK?”’

That’s a whole lot of evil that could have gone away in flame and debris.

4. marisacat - 30 August 2007

well I have read they “corkscrew” down into the airport… but I wonder the take off mode to evade fire.

I still say the insurgents, militias whomever wnat to take out an airplane. It would change the balance immediately.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007


As many of you are aware, the next big mobilization of anti-war protestors is going to be in Washington, DC on September 15th. However, you may not be aware of the significance of this particular demonstration. Tina Richards of Grassroots America and I have been working extensively with the ANSWER Coalition to make sure that this is not just another protest. We have made the theme, “Protesting is not enough. Come for the rally, stay for a week of direct action.”

To kick off the week of action, after the rally we will march from the White House to the Capitol, and go strait into a mass civil-disobedience die-in around the Peace Monument. The die-in will be led by an Honor Guard of Iraq Veterans Against the War who will simulate a 21-Gun Salute before taps is played to initiate the die-in. We are asking as many members of VFP as possible to sign up to wear cammies and die-in around us to symbolize the American cost of this war. We will be encircled by bolts of red cloth to symbolize the Iraqi deaths and invite anyone else from the rally to participate in the die-in.

Sunday will be a day of teach-ins including a Truth In Recruiting Workshop led by IVAW. That evening, IVAW DC will be holding a benefit concert. Monday is National Truth In Recruiting Day, and there will be numerous activities planned and we will need your help with an action at the main recruiting office in DC. Tuesday is Congressional Challenge Day led by Tina Richards. Wednesday or Thursday will be Veterans Lobbying Day, and Friday is the Moratorium. Also, the 14th, the Friday before the rally, is the IVAW CD Release Party. All of these events are on the calendar at Sept15.org.

ANSWER has offered to provide free transportation to all IVAW members on the ANSWER busses, and has agreed to extend this offer to all members of VFP in need. On the ANSWER website is a contact list for busses and if there is one that you can get to, please email Betsy Reznicek at the VFP National Office at breznicek@veteransforpeace.net to get on the list.

As a member of IVAW, it’s an honor to have the support of VFP when we attempt something as momentous and significant as this. Personally, I am hoping that September 15 th can be a turning point for the entire movement away from protesting and towards direct action. It’s important that veterans are properly represented and leading the charge at this crucial time.

Thank you,

Adam Kokesh
Proud member of VFP
Co-Chair Elect of IVAW

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

Boy, do I identify with this.

7. marisacat - 30 August 2007

ooo Madman…

some lovely grafs there.

Stale sarcasm left pooling too long in the heart congeals, clots, becomes cynicism. The cynic hears a full-hearted cry and he resents it. The cynic insists the cry comes from a heart as clotted with sick sarcasm as her own. Open your soul, limn carefully and fervently the extent of your wound, and the cynic will ask what your angle is.

8. moiv - 30 August 2007

OK, Mcat, no one else has asked, so I will. How hot is it?

Only 80 here at 9:00 PM, an amazingly low temp for late August.

9. Miss Devore - 30 August 2007

incredibly hot in Silicon Valley, and fires in Cupertino:


10. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

I love the way Mr. Clarke write Marisa. I often finish a piece there and feel a little jealous. I tend toward the hammer and tongs approach to expression … his is a light, poetic touch.

It’s in the upper 50’s here in Cheeseland (waves in cool comfort).

11. msxeno - 30 August 2007

I freely admit to taking refuge in cynicism, much more so on the net than elsewhere, however.

Of course, at the same time I obey Schweitzer’s philosophy. Thus my obsessions with A) Music and B) Cats.

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

found the link at Left I:

Single-payer health coverage proposal gaining ground – but only with public

and we all know THOSE fuckers don’t matter.

13. marisacat - 30 August 2007



it is not so much the temp, it is taht we are still six weeks or more from rain, that 80 here is a stifling dusty bright pressured 80.

I have always hated heat in San Francisco.

so we, me and the fur suits, are draped over the furniture, in collapse.

14. moiv - 30 August 2007

Someone sent me a link to this site last night. It presents information in support of the hypothesis that an axis shift is in progress, and it appears to have been authored by someone in the Dallas area.

I don’t know enough about either meteorology, physics or astronomy to have any valid opinion about this information. However, I can corroborate the writer’s observations about apparent changes in the sun’s position at sunrise and sunset as onserved from here.

If half of what the writer posits is accurate, that would go a long way toward explaining why the rush is on to own the ME as of “yesterday.”

15. Revisionist - 30 August 2007

maybe yall brought it up but Forbes has its list of 100 testicular challenged people up – http://www.forbes.com/lists/2007/11/biz-07women_The-100-Most-Powerful-Women_Rank.html

Some french cabinet secrataries rated above Hillary. An Oprah is more powerful than queen elizabeth. But I bet the queen would ut geaorge clooney up the weekend and not make hime stay in a hotel.

16. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

Four Words That Distinguish Liberals from Conservatives

now if only we could get people to realize that the current Donklephant party has NOTHING to do w/ “liberal” and is part of the problem described in the post, which he quotes from Joe Bageant’s new book:

Being a southerner, I have hated in my lifetime. I can remember schoolyard discussions of supposed “nigger knifing” of white boys at night and such. And like most people over fifty, it shows in my face, because by that age we have the faces we deserve. Likewise I have seen hate in others and know it when I see it. And I am seeing more of it now than ever before in my lifetime, which is saying something considering that I grew up down here during the Jim Crow era. Fanned and nurtured by neoconservative elements, the hate is every bit equal to the kind I saw in my people during those violent years. Irrational. Deeply rooted. Based on inchoate fears.

The fear is particularly prevalent in the middle and upper-middle classes here, the very ones most openly vehement about being against using the words nigger and fuck. They are what passes for educated people in a place like Winchester. You can smell their fear. Fear of losing advantages and money. Fear there won’t be enough time to grab and stash enough geet to keep themselves and their offspring in Chardonnay and farting through silk for the next fifty years. So they keep the lie machinery and the smoke generators cranking full blast as long as possible, hoping to elect another one of their own kind to the White House–Democratic or Republican, it doesn’t matter so long as they keep the scam going. The Laurita Barrs speak in knowing, authoritative tones, and the inwardly fearful house painter and single-mom forklift driver listen and nod. Why take a chance on voting for a party that would let homos be scout masters?

Not just the South … the city of Milwaukee (and so many other places all over this nation) are held hostage to assholes owned by that fear.

That fear and hate will finish us.

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

I think I’m spam again.

18. Miss Devore - 30 August 2007

If I could have a pool….you wouldn’t have to pay me to work.

Just a pool and some tomato garden.

Is that asking too much?

19. Revisionist - 30 August 2007

moiv.. i checked with my fringe guy and they have a rebuttel http://cyberspaceorbit.com/equinox2.htm .

20. keirdubois - 30 August 2007

Madman, I’ve enjoyed Clarke’s stuff for a long time too. He seemed to be one of the few men in this medium with his head nowhere near his ass during Kathy Sierra’s trials and tribulations.

Miss D, I think I’ve been overwhelmed by cynicism for several years now. I’m still not really sure how I feel about that.

21. keirdubois - 30 August 2007

Oops, that was Ms. Xeno who freely admitted to cynicism. Sorry.

22. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

Patty Smith pays tribute to Hilly

[fixed the link — Mcat]

23. moiv - 30 August 2007

Thanks, Rev. I’ll send that to my fringe guy. 😉

24. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Apparently, I’m in need of a fringe guy. Applications are now being accepted.

25. Miss Devore - 30 August 2007

Mitm, 22: the link is a dud.

26. moiv - 30 August 2007

Fess Parker and Clint Walker used to look pretty good in fringe, but I think they’re retired now.

27. keirdubois - 30 August 2007

I got to interview Patti Smith in 1996 for my college paper. It was like the 400th or so Q&A in a row for her that day, but she was still unfailingly polite and patient with my various ineptitudes. Very cool.

28. Miss Devore - 30 August 2007

21-all cynics look alike to you, I guess.

at any rate, being confused with ms_xeno is a feather in anyone’s collage.

29. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

Looking at this video of the Kennebunkport I was thinking this: What’s the underlying assumption behind all of these permitted rallies?


Is it different from the assumption most Democrats have?

The Pendulum Swing.

If you keep staging permitted rallies, provide a framework and keep it going, eventually, when the pendulum swings, people are going to flow into the framework and the numbers of people who come into it will by necessity increase its militancy.

But will that work. The September 2005 rally in DC was huge and it attracted very little attention (aside from people who wanted to use the admittedly irritating Answer speakers list to mock the anti-war movement).

Don’t you have to crank up the militancy of these protests yourself with whatever numbers you have.

I was thinking during the rally in Newark last week, about how much different 1000 people blocking the NJ Turnpike in front of Newark Airport would be from a permitted march through the center of town.

The former would get a few heads busted and get a few inflated charges and maybe even get that new seize your assets law tried out on you, but it would have an impact the latter wouldn’t have.

30. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

oops … my browser is buggy tonight … looks like I pasted it twice.

take two

31. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Fainting goat update:

LAS VEGAS — Saying the coming weeks will be “one of the last opportunities” to alter the course of the war, Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) said he is now willing to compromise with Republicans to find ways to limit troop deployments in Iraq.

Reid acknowledged that his previous firm demand for a spring withdrawal deadline had become an obstacle for a small but growing number of Republicans who have said they want to end the war but have been unwilling to set a timeline.

“I don’t think we have to think that our way is the only way,” Reid said of specific dates during an interview in his office here. “I’m not saying, ‘Republicans, do what we want to do.’ Just give me something that you think you would like to do, that accomplishes some or all of what I want to do.”

Reid’s unwavering stance this summer earned him critics who said he was playing politics by refusing to bargain with antiwar Republicans. In the interview, he said that his goal remains an immediate return of U.S. troops but that now is the time to work with the GOP. He cited bringing up legislation after Labor Day that would require troops to have more home leave, forcing military leaders to reduce troop levels, a measure that has drawn some Republican support.


One measure Reid said he will seek to resurrect would tighten rules on the use of troops by requiring soldiers’ leave times to be at least as long as their most recent deployment. The proposal, offered by Sen. James Webb (D-Va.), would not set withdrawal terms, but it could effectively limit U.S. force levels. A vote of 56 to 41 in favor of the measure on July 11 fell four votes short of the 60 needed to overcome a GOP filibuster, but it had seven Republican supporters.

Another approach, left hanging when Reid terminated the July debate, was a proposal from Sens. Ken Salazar (D-Colo.) and Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) to turn the recommendations of the bipartisan Iraq Study Group into official U.S. policy. The study group’s proposals, offered in December and mostly ignored by the White House, include setting the stage for a new regional diplomatic initiative and transitioning U.S. combat forces to more specific roles, including training and counterterrorism. If progress isn’t made, troops would begin withdrawing early next year.

The Salazar-Alexander bill has attracted 12 additional co-sponsors, half of them Republicans. Reid said he is willing to listen to their pitch, but he remains concerned that the language is too cautious and may now be outdated.

Alexander said he and Salazar are discussing tweaks to reflect changing circumstances. But he believes that the study group report contains “the seeds for consensus,” and he said of his proposal, “It’s not withdrawal with a deadline, but it’s finishing the job.”

“I respect that some Democrats want us out tomorrow, and some Republicans want a victory like Germany and Japan, but that’s not going to happen,” Alexander said. But he warned that, given the onset of the 2008 presidential campaign season, “September may be our last best chance” to force a legislative solution.

So that’s it then? Back down because of the Nov ’08 elections? Just let thousands of more people die because it might interfere with domestic politics while Reid thinks recycling old shit is some sort of solution?

32. Hair Club for Men - 30 August 2007

So that’s it then? Back down because of the Nov ‘08 elections? Just let thousands of more people die because it might interfere with domestic politics


33. keirdubois - 30 August 2007

28- well then you’re welcome. I would hope all cynics don’t look alike though, cause then you two would have to degenerate into looking like me.

34. bayprairie - 30 August 2007

Fess Parker and Clint Walker used to look pretty good in fringe, but I think they’re retired now.

Hey north texas

don’t leave merle out

35. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

Who is IOZ‘s take on the whole Craig thing:

The more pertinent question, I think, is just how it happened that the Grand Old Party came to resemble a house party on fire island, but without tans or abs. I haven’t seen so many badly-dressed and out-of-shape middle-aged homos in one place since Elton John and Billy Joel last played together at the old Three Rivers Stadium. What sort of wincingly pathetic closet case gets pinched in a restroom, pleads guilty to a misdemeanor, and then comes out swinging with the old “I am not gay. I have never been gay.” Well smell you, miss thing. It is true that they all seem to be married. Someone light a scented candle and turn the lights down low. Can’t you just hear Dennis Hastert whispering, “It’s not the gender. It’s the person.” Whoever thought that the Party of Lincoln would turn out to be the Party of Bisexuality. Paging Joshua Speed. Your table is waiting.

36. marisacat - 30 August 2007

I think I will jsut sputter out. Because that whole article on Reid/war/bullshit/fall/last spring is all lies.

37. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

US admits Iranian arrests mistake

The Iranians were detained after they had been stopped in the company of seven Iraqis carrying unauthorised weapons on Tuesday night, the US military said.

It said an AK-47 assault rifle and two pistols were confiscated from the Iraqis. The group was then taken to the Sheraton Ishtar Hotel, where US troops searched the Iranians’ rooms, seizing a computer, mobile phones and a briefcase full of money.

The men were also taken away for questioning, with video footage showing soldiers leading them out blindfolded and in handcuffs.

All the Iranians were later handed over to the Iraqi government.

It later emerged that the men were energy experts and were in the Iraqi capital to help rebuild the local electricity system. Two of them were found to have diplomatic credentials.

Iran has said it is preparing a formal protest to Iraq.
Dr Saadi Othman, adviser to Gen David Petraeus, told BBC News that the incident had “nothing to do” with US President George W Bush’s speech on Tuesday, in which he strongly criticised Iran for its alleged interference in Iraq.

sure…uh huh…

38. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

No, no, no…not that kind of fringe!

39. ms_xeno - 30 August 2007

…at any rate, being confused with ms_xeno is a feather in anyone’s collage…

Likewise, I’m sure, MissD. Keir, ship us each a complimentary t-shirt from your next Coors-sponsored tour and I’m sure all can be forgiven. I’ll take an XXL, please. That should be one way to distinguish me from MissD, whom I always imagine as looking sort of like Patty Smith, but with glasses and the hair a bit more tamed. 😀

40. BooHooHooMan - 30 August 2007

Naughty-boy waving to Miss D

from catnip’s # 31 “Reid acknowledged that his previous firm demand for a spring withdrawal deadline had become an obstacle for a small but growing number of Republicans…

Just WTF is a “previous firm demand”?? Priceless. The Democratic Majority Leader worried about an obstacle for a small but growing number of Republicans. Is Harry leading the GOP in the Senate??

Really, I AM an ass. I should have Left the DP YEARS AGO.

41. keirdubois - 30 August 2007

Coors-sponsord tour, hooboy. That would be the day, I guess. But of course, you would receive them with our compliments.

42. BooHooHooMan - 30 August 2007

Fuck it. I’m insanely tired fucking up HTML moreso than I normally do. “He who dies by the blowjob , lives by the blowjob” I suppose is the Dem strategy now. Truly the “they suck more than we do” gambit.

43. BooHooHooMan - 30 August 2007

lol to madman’s # 35

44. Marie - 30 August 2007

MitM – thanks for the Who is IOZ link. First time visit for me – sharp funny enough that I read everthing on the page. Do you know anything about who he is?

45. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Tweety and Delay: Pt 1

Pt 2


46. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

no idea. Love his stuff, though.

47. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

off to bed … was listening to Faith No More’s Angel Dust, after I finally got smart and turned off the glass teat.

This seemed to fit my present mood:

Midlife Crisis

Go on and wring my neck
Like when a rag gets wet
A little discipline
For my pet genius
My head is like lettuce
Go on dig your thumbs in
I cannot stop giving
I’m thirty-something

Sense of security
Like pockets jingling
Midlife crisis
Suck ingenuity
Down through the family tree

You’re perfect yes, it’s true
But without me you’re only you
Your menstruating heart
It ain’t bleedin’ enough for two

It’s a midlife crisis…

What an inheritance
The salt and the kleenex
Morbid self attention
Bending my pinky back
A little discipline
A donor by habit
A little discipline
Rent an opinion

Sense of security
Holding blunt instrument
Midlife crisis
I’m a perfectionist
And perfect is a skinned knee

You’re perfect yes it’s true
But without me you’re only you
Your menstruating heart
It ain’t bleedin’ enough for two

It’s a midlife crisis…

Loaded it into the MP3 player to offer some balance to all of the Lucy Kaplansky, Tori Amos, Allison Moorer I loaded on there the other day. Maybe to keep PJ Harvey and Johnette Napolitano company.

/music nerd name dropping

48. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

god, I’m quoting lyrics, and I’m not even drunk.

Tomorrow’s payday, so less than 24 hours from now I’ll fix THAT problem.

49. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 August 2007

oooo, this fits even better:

A Small Victory

A hierarhcy
Spread out on the nightstand
The spirit of team
Salvation is another chance
A sore loser
Yelling with my mouth shut

A cracking portrait
The fondling of trophies
The null of losing
Can you afford that luxury? A sore winner
But I’ll just keep my mouth shut

It shouldn’t bother me
But it does

The small victories
The cankers and medallions
The little nothings
They keep me thinking that someday
I might beat you
But I’ll just keep my mouth shut

It shouldn’t bother me
But it does


And to think that Mike Patton has only gotten stronger and weirder and more interesting from there …

50. marisacat - 30 August 2007


madman turned me on to IOZ… Just love him. His line tonight on the Dem slate is priceless[ly irreverent].

The field of Democratic Presidential aspirants gets the revolutionary treatment because it includes a colored fellow and a Vagina-American, but in the contours of its opinions it is absolutely typical. Meanwhile, the Republican slate really is as manly a collection of barking loons as ever I did lay eyes upon.

Itis in his ‘Tryptophan” riding at the top, largely about Thompson, but loaded with good lines.

He is in Pittsburgh PA (no shock, the picture) and if you keep reading him he does drop hints to details of his life and background.

He also does Foodie Fridays that are very wonderful at times. I think he takes the photos himself. His recipies are lovely to read.

51. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

A Vagina-American. lol

Along with the Arugula-American.

52. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Apparently, kos has “evolved” since he wrote his homophobic screed.

Um (26+ / 0-)

I haven’t hidden the fact that I was a REPUBLICAN back then.

And yes, by being a Republican, I held stupid-ass beliefs.

Then I evolved.

by kos on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 04:44:39 PM PDT

And may I add that as a DEMOCRAT you still hold “stupid-ass beliefs.”

Frankly, stating that he felt that way just because he was a repub is a pretty lame excuse.

53. marisacat - 30 August 2007


that’s rich.

Into what?

A dem thug gas bag… and word is out, wimmens is on board but gays have the big bucks and want big issues …

so be nice to the gays (but no really, after their bucks and their votes, it’s over).

And abortion is still “icky”. Officially. When ti is not “horrible, horrible”. In Kos’ own cracker jack no facts slag language.

54. Revisionist - 30 August 2007

“Some lame blogs” tee hee

55. marisacat - 30 August 2007

Oh I am sure he just wants to be helpful.

Americans need to come together to confront the challenge posed by Iran. Yet the Bush administration and an anonymous senator are blocking a bill with bipartisan support that would ratchet up the pressure on the Iranian regime. It’s time for this obstructionism to stop.

The decision to wage a misguided war in Iraq has substantially strengthened Iran, which now poses the greatest strategic challenge to U.S. interests in the Middle East in a generation. Iran supports violent groups and sectarian politics in Iraq, fuels terror and extremism across the Middle East and continues to make progress on its nuclear program in defiance of the international community.

Meanwhile, Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has declared that Israel must be “wiped off the map.”

In response, the Bush administration’s policy has been tough talk with little action and even fewer results. While conventional Washington thinking says we can only talk to people who agree with us, I believe that strong countries and strong Presidents shouldn’t be afraid to talk directly to our adversaries to tell them where America stands. The Bush-Cheney diplomacy of not talking to Iran has not worked. As President, I will use all elements of American power to pressure the Iranian regime, including the power of tough, smart and principled diplomacy.

Talking tough and keeping our troops in the middle of Iraq’s civil war has only served to strengthen Iran’s position. It’s time to turn the page on a failed foreign policy. It’s time for strong diplomacy backed by common-sense measures that pressure the Iranian regime.

56. Marie - 30 August 2007

IOZ is good enough that I might stop pining for the return of billmon. These are the only two bloggers that really make me lol when they’re being humorous.

Just have to post this snippet:

“Here is an article explaining that Democrats are committed to ending the Iraq War by continuing the American occupation. Good idea, messieurs et madame.

And here is an article detailing how the Democrat-controlled Congress gave–wait for it–the Bush Administration more authority to conduct domestic surveillance, searches, and seizures than the Executive sought. Consider that for a moment. More.”

Suppose he could just repeat the first paragraph for Reid’s latest.

57. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Just rereading (skimming, actually) kos’ Liberatarion Democrat thing (or whatever you want to call it) where he clearly idolizes Webb and Tester, I reached the inescapable conclusion that kos is, indeed, a “Bush Dog”. He’s just in the closet.

What’s the Morse code for that BHHM?

58. Shadowthief - 30 August 2007

Sabrina–what’s this? Gay marriage in Iowa? Holy cow…Field of Dreams, indeed.

I can always tell when a court has actually advanced human rights, because politicians go into full panic mode.

Quite frankly, if the Democrats think they can’t win the Presidency because a judge in Iowa granted gays the basic human right to marry the person they love, then they don’t deserve to occupy the White House. Actually, neither party deserves to occupy it, but that’s a discussion for another time.

59. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

#55. Aragula Man needs to stop lying.

You know what? I wrote a complaint e-mail to the ombudsman of one of THE major American so-called “liberal” newspapers earlier this year about the fact that one of its columnists had use that “wiped off the map” mistranslation. I even offered her links to the work of two people who actually knew what they were talking about. She/he refused to even investigate. Couldn’t care less. Said as far as she/he was concerned – without consulting any experts on the matter – she/he was right and that was that.

And now Obama is spreading the same damn neocon propaganda.

and continues to make progress on its nuclear program in defiance of the international community.

According to who? You? Bush? You might want to talk to ElBaradei there, grasshopper.

60. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

#6. I am sarcastic, therefore bite me.

61. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Your typical “troll diary” at dkos. Note how the thugs descended quickly to protect poor John Edwards from his own words.

62. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

I am a true-blue Hillary supporter (6+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
Sharoney, TheMomCat, Oke, annefrank, cwaltz, planetclaire4

but I am sick and tired of stupid diaries like this that trash Edwards or Obama or any other of our fine candidates. [that cracked me up -catnip] Saying John Edwards has neocon delusions about Iran is just as outrageous and ridiculous as those crazies saying the same thing about Hillary. NO DEMOCRAT IS GOING TO INVADE IRAN. So deal with it and get over it!

I like the silence of a church, before the service begins better than any preaching. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

by Norwegian Chef on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 11:30:20 PM MDT

63. bayprairie - 30 August 2007


that’s rich.

Into what?

the fly?

64. lucid - 30 August 2007

Hi vipes! MitM, I doubt PJ needs any company, as she is sublime on her own. My favorite [if I can say I have a favorite] of hers is this:

We wanted to find love
We wanted success
Until nothing was enough
Until my middle name was excess

Somehow I lost touch
When you went out of sight
When you got lost into the city
Got lost into the night

I was in need of help
Heading to blackout
Till someone told me “run on in honey
Before somebody blows your goddamn brains out”

You shoplifted as a child
I had a model’s smile
You carried all my hopes
Until something broke inside
But now

We float
Take life as it comes
We float
Take life as it comes

So will we die of shock?
Die without a trial?
Die on Good Friday?
While holding each other tight

This is kind of about you
This is kind of about me
We just kinda lost our way
We were looking to be free
But one day

We’ll float
Take life as it comes
We’ll float
Take life as it comes

But one day
We’ll float
Take life as it comes

…ever the silly romantic me…

Rev – this is something that has always worried me. The market was about to crash hard right before 9/11, and was likely only saved from that crash by the event. Given that it’s poised to crash again… does yet another ‘terrorist’ attack get trotted out in the city I love? Is it, this time, something chemical or nuclear – obviously related to Iran? I’m not one to be paranoid about terrorism [it’s probably the only thing I’m not paranoid about], but it does give me pause.

65. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007
66. Marie - 30 August 2007

Marisa #55 – ..ratchet up the pressure the pressure on the Iranian regime. Wow, that’ll get them to the negotiation table. Or not.

Same ole policy – do what we say, or else (we’re gonna sick “Bomb, bomb, bomb McIran on you.”

Sad – and I’ve tried really hard to like the guy.

67. D. Throat - 30 August 2007

Just another lie from Kos.

Supposedly Kos was NOT a Republican at that time… Clinton was in office… hence the letter lambasting Clinton… iirc Kos said that he voted for Clinton.

68. msxeno - 30 August 2007

Catnip, it’s like they were aiming for this but forgot that comedy, to work, has to be, well, comic. As opposed to merely pitiful. Pitable. Whatever.

69. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

Iirc, he voted for Elder Bush in ’92.

Listening to canuck news tonite – layoffs at a GM plant in Ontario, analysts using the “r”-word… I think it’s going to be a very bumpy ride the next few years.

70. liberalcatnip - 30 August 2007

#68. Geez it’s bizarre reading one of those scripts. lol

71. D. Throat - 31 August 2007

So when was the first time Kos voted Dem…. Kerry???

72. msxeno - 31 August 2007

I would never refer to Kos and his flunkies as cartoon characters. I have a great deal of respect for cartoons.

73. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

I was looking for the answer to your question, D Throat and found this. Compare and contrast with kos’ comment in which he waved off his 1993 letter about gays by claiming he was a Republican then who held “stupid-ass beliefs” and what he wrote in this article in 2006:

I was also a Republican. As a 17-year-old precinct captain in 1988, not even old enough to vote, I helped deliver one of the district’s best precinct performances for Henry Hyde. I had a framed picture of me with George H. W. Bush.

Of course, that was a different time, a different Republican Party. And I was a different kind of Republican — always socially liberal, committed to fiscal sanity, and willing to pay more than lip service to the concept of national service. Talk was cheap. I was going to wear combat boots.

He’s a liar.(And I feel like I’ve turned into FLH.)

74. lucid - 31 August 2007

He’s a liar.

Was that ever in doubt?

75. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 August 2007

Shadowthief, yes, Dems have made no statement yet regarding the Iowa Ruling on Gay marriage. Mitt Romney has said it’s ‘against the will of the people’. The Republicans are going to try to get the ruling reversed and ask that the law not go into effect while they protest.

Mitm, that Ioz piece is hilarious. I agree with Marie, he is really great.

Lucid, lovely lyrics ….. and what’s wrong with being romantic?


Damn Democrats – it’s no fun predicting anymore. They make it too easy. And what does Reid mean by this:

“I don’t think we have to think that our way is the only way,” Reid said of specific dates during an interview in his office here. “I’m not saying, ‘Republicans, do what we want to do.’ Just give me something that you think you would like to do, that accomplishes some or all of what I want to do.”

Just everything about that statement is so wrong. Well, I’m assuming by ‘our way’ he means ‘end the war now’ since he supposedly represents us! And why isn’t he saying ‘Republicans, do what we want you to do’?

I will never forget Grover Norquist, after the Dems lost a few years ago, saying that they would ‘get used to their position, like dogs, and learn their place and after a while they be comfortable there’ or words to that effect. It looks like they plan to stay there, no matter how much of a majority they get.

76. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

Was that ever in doubt?

Well, no. But I had to use it for dramatic impact.

77. Marie - 31 August 2007

lucid- the market did crash hard after 9/11. It was due for a correction but w/o 9/11 would have been slower and probably not dipped as low.

The money guys think they can prop up the market and prove that 1929 can’t happen again. Maybe they’re right. Maybe if they can hold it so that it stays flat until the day the general economy mirrors the stockmarket economy, they’ll claim victory. In the long run that would be no different than letting it crash and then grow again, but in the short run nobody loses a lot and it will make everybody feel much better. (Personally I don’t care how much they pitch that it’s all about FED controls, there is a psychological compononet to recessions/depressions.)

78. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

D Throat,

Here’s what kos wrote in that piece as well:

I voted for Bush in 1992, but that was the last time I voted Republican.

Who knows though?

79. marisacat - 31 August 2007

different Republicans.

Yeah right. There was a liberal strain of Republicans in the NE. Definitely. The Jeffords type. [Tho when they are in interview it was clear she was a Democrat and they kind of giggle that he inherited the Republican party, coming down thru 150 years.]

There were sort of mild Main St, Country Club Republicans. But Kos neatly forgets both Goldwater and REAGAN. The fucking Birchers.

Reagan, whom I would guess he loved in that slobbery ‘be my Daddy’ love he seems to ahve for the Webbs and Testers of the political dinner theatre.

Bullfuckingshit, “it was a different time”.

80. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 August 2007

‘Socially liberal’ – ‘libertarian democrat’ – he just makes stuff up, Catnip! What I love is that no matter what is revealed about him, kossacks wave it away. I loved the comments following that letter in the thread:

Um (26+ / 0-)

I haven’t hidden the fact that I was a REPUBLICAN back then.

And yes, by being a Republican, I held stupid-ass beliefs.

Then I evolved.

by kos on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 04:44:39 PM PDT


touche! n/t (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:Geotpf, jimmyboyo

Nothing can destroy a government more quickly than its failure to observe its own laws, or worse, its disregard of the charter of its own existence.

by zdefender on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 04:48:27 PM PDT


My name is Dave, and I am a former Republican too (4+ / 0-)
Recommended by:Geotpf, FlyingToaster, dragoneyes, jimmyboyo

But I was young, naive, and not fully engaged.

dissent not only welcome… but encouraged

by newfie53523 on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 04:51:55 PM PDT


same for me… (2+ / 0-)
Recommended by:Debby, Geotpf

My name is Carl and I’m a recovering former republican.

At the age of 18 my mother actually cried when I told her I registered to vote as a republican.

One of the few times I can recall I made her cry… and it was a biggie.

She didn’t even cry when I told her I renounced our Catholic upbringing and was an atheist (thanks to my years of Catholic school she sent me to).

by superhero fan on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 07:02:26 PM PDT


But, see, Kos, (6+ / 0-)
Recommended by:Geotpf, 1864 House, operculum, young montana voter, mommaK, jimmyboyo

the fact that you were able to grow up and evolve just proves you weren’t really a Republican, even back then.

You were just a closeted Democrat. So to speak.

by stitchmd on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 05:06:05 PM PDT


Flip flopper! (4+ / 0-)
Recommended by:neonplaq, boy asunder, mcfly, jimmyboyo

Heh. 🙂

by Geotpf on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 05:06:56 PM PDT


I’ve been saying all along… (9+ / 0-)
Recommended by:Debby, Geotpf, sardonyx, homogenius, pat208, grasshopper, wayoutinthestix, jimmyboyo, Leo in NJ

…that I’m waiting to see heroic leadership from one of our candidates before jumping on anyone’s bandwagon. Here’s a great opportunity to show it.

Who is a Nazi? -6.38,
by wiscmass on Thu Aug 30, 2007 at 04:27:15 PM PDT

All those former Republicans …

That last comment, I hate to tell him, but if Romney could have a statement out already, so could the Dems, if they knew where they stood. I think he’s going to be disappointed …

81. D. Throat - 31 August 2007

I am beginning to think that the “Money Guys” want another 1929 kinda crash… people won’t protest the warS when they are scrounging around for food… it will be the best military recruitment drive… no money… no jobs… enlist.

82. Sabrina Ballerina - 31 August 2007

Marie, have you heard anything about huge bets on the failure of the market? I am horrible on this, but remember before 9/11 there were ‘put options’ (is that right?) counting on the a drop in Airline Stock? I read that the other day that this is happening again.

Marisa, I hope it cools off for you soon. Love that pool picture

I am sure that Kos still loves Reagan and in that silly diary, welcoming all Bill O’Reilly fans, Darksyde admitted to still loving Reagan and ridiculously said that Reagan was competent even when he was senile!

83. BooHooHooMan - 31 August 2007

catnip 73.

Combat boots, wombat hoots. EVERYBODY wears combat boots in the Army. Now everybody gets berets. It’s like a piece the DHinMI bio saying he was the “first one in his family to go overseas with a rifle on his shoulder.” or some such nonsense. Markos combat boots would have been his jump boots. That is, if he was Airborne. Right up until the Jumpmaster threw his scrawny paranoid little homophobic ass out of the plane. I would shit a brick if he was Airborne. It would be nice if just said he started out as a grunt and did it for the college money like damn near everyone else. Aside from raising my daughter, one of the things I’m most proud of in my life is having dissuaded my nephew from enlisting in the Army after his High School graduation four years ago.

84. BooHooHooMan - 31 August 2007

I’m out.

85. lucid - 31 August 2007

Marie – some analysts I read around the time [I believe Catherine Austin Fitts was one of them] suggested that the market was actually primed to really collapse – in a ’29 fashion – and quickly. Of course, they might have been alarmists. Yes, the market did go way south after 9-11, but the serious capital losses were prior with the tech collapse. I think their tack was that 9-11 saved a complete collapse for a couple of reasons: 1. it was completely closed down for 3 days, which quelled a panic and 2. in the aftermath economic behaviour changed in the US to sustain a mortally wounded economy through debt spending… Of course, the latter factor makes the present times that much scarier economically…

I dunno. I’m neither a market analyst, nor have I ever owned stock. Back in the heydey of my CT fever in 2001, I just found that take somewhat interesting FWIW.

86. lucid - 31 August 2007

SB – actually the put options extended far beyond the airlines to a number of firms whose corporate head offices were located in the WTC. It is one of the biggest things about 9/11 that bugs me to this day. Deutschebank [headed by ex-CIA chief Buzzy Krongard] made all of those trades. Why the hell have the people who made those trades not been made public? Why did the media drop the story within 48 hours? If one looks at the full extent of the trades, several hundreds of millions were made… I’m sorry, but this info should be public record.

87. D. Throat - 31 August 2007

Derivatives…. betting on the market taking a dive. There was an article in the NYT recently about a small hedge fund that made a shit load with derivatives on mortgage stocks.

I posted a link the other day on Money as Debt… opened my eyes completely… mandatory watching if you want to really know what is happening in the market…. basically we now have a system where if there was no debt there would be no money. So these “boom” debt periods are engineered to increase the flow of money (aka debt)…. it is that simple.

The majority of the people are always on the wrong side of this equation “the debtors” while the real money is made off of others people debt “the bankers”.

Of course their need to constant growth to feed this monster whether it be housing or iPhones…. the market has become excellent manipulators of getting people into debt and buy shit…. I am appalled at those nasty plastic shoes every one is now wearing…. Ugly cheap plastic shoes… someone is laughing all the way to the bank. Instead of getting into line to buy the iPhone it would have been smarted if people used the 600 bucks to buy Apple stock… and when they had made enough… then buy the phone for free.

Anyways… watch it I think it was in yesterdays thread… now I am certain there will be MORE wars… it is all a money thing… always was.

Ried is not even pretending to fight… Hilary is up in the polls … why should they get their hands dirty.

88. D. Throat - 31 August 2007

Oh now I also understand why there is a renewed call to dismantle the Fed Reserve… because it is basically a private bank that controls the US currency and the US gov has to borrow money from it WITH interest…

The clip is LONG… about 45 minutes but I would suggest watching it more than once or even twice.

89. marisacat - 31 August 2007

Hillary was on Letterman tonight. gah. she discussed campaign strategy. Not any dark moldering secrets, but still, a strategy again to say nothing.

And Letterman basically was not present. Think he shined her shoes, maybe.

90. lucid - 31 August 2007

now I am certain there will be MORE wars… it is all a money thing… always was.

I wish more people realized that. War has always been about money. War is the weapon of aristocracy. There is no such thing as a ‘just war’… we are simply lead to believe that there is some higher purpose, be it moral or tribal.

While I became a pacifist at age 10, I didn’t realize until my late teens that my stance wasn’t really about violence itself, but the use of violence as a means.

91. supervixen - 31 August 2007

There WERE different Republicans – Republicans who were socially liberal and had no problem with feminism, racial equality, gay rights etc. – and many of them weren’t even the Country Club type.

There are still a few left, but they keep a low profile. Most of that type have left the party.

There’s a good book I’m sure I’ve mentioned before here – The Republican War Against Women by Tanya Melich. She delineates how the religious right, under Reagan, took over the party and shoved the pro-choice, pro-feminist women out of the power structure.

92. D. Throat - 31 August 2007

Marie this is from yesterday. I included Carter on the list because he signed the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act which gave the Federal Reserve greater control over non-member banks. Its main purpose was to force all banks to abide by the Fed’s rules. It also allowed banks to merge. Its secondary purpose was to allow credit unions and savings and loans to offer checkable deposits.

Funny how it has been Democrats NOT Republicans that harm the advances made by Democrats… if Carter and Bill Clinton are any indication of what Hilary will do…. we best be prepared for the absolute worse.

Here it is Money as Debt

93. marisacat - 31 August 2007

For Kos personally there never was a different, liberal, social justice Republicanism.

Another facile line of patter from him.

he came here iwth an immigrant family that, like so many seeking America as the ultimate “strong man”, settle in, are reactionary, often racist to be blunt, often disdainful of some aspects of whatever America might have been, and then they vote Republican.

Support Henry Hyde, a terrible man. Support Reagan.

That was Kos’ Republican party. I would never say that there were not liberal social justice Reopublicans – because there were… But for Kos that is just blither.

94. marisacat - 31 August 2007

Just found Sabrina in Spam.

Comment 80

95. Marie - 31 August 2007

lucid & D. Throat – as I pointed out in “Black Mondays” the other day, a) the crash in 1929 was caused by multiple factors 2) the country had been in a deep recession long before the market crashed. The drought was a significant factor in the recession. The markets were highly unregulated and there was massive speculation using borrowed money. The New Deal regulations hard wired many elements in the financial services institutions that would severely restrict the speculation and margin accounts and by extension another total collapse. Worked for a long time.

Allowing credit unions to offer checking account services was a good thing (use one myself and have been a member of it for over thirty years).

The rollback of the New Deal regulations really took off with Reagan. Would have to go back and study what was done under Carter, but it’s possible that it was appropriate. Nothing wrong with modernizing regulations as long as they preserve the key elements of what made them so robust. It took years for all the New Deal stuff to become fully integrated into our finacial system and for this country to benefit from them. Similarly unwinding them takes time for them to kick in. We weren’t there in 2001.

Personally, I don’t think there were significant and highly unusual puts before 9/11. There are too many really good market analysts out that would have studied and written about it by now if that had existed. This latest speculation is just that — everybody is jittery. Too many people are focusing on 9/11 IMHO because that was such a shocking day and our “leadership” told us to be afraid instead of calm. Granted 100plus story buildings tumbling down is a unique event, but it was not particularly catestrophic in an historical sense.

Deriviatives are not puts but they are gambling. They depend on the markets being stable because there are no tangible assets backing them up. It’s much too simple to say that money is debt, and not correct. It’s a medium of exchange. We tend to think of money as cash but cash is merely an asset (what you own) and debt is what you owe. The FED creates money by printing it, and in a growing and expanding economy it has to do that. Not sure why anybody thinks that’s evil. Commercial or retail banks don’t create money by lending. That’s just a banking transaction.

The reality is that the economists and finacial guys can’t predict where we go from here because we’ve never been here before and all the computer modeling in the world can’t capture all the variables and aren’t dynamic enough. We’re debtor nation with little manufacturering capacity, spending massive amounts on a military (inflationary), borrowing huge amounts to cover federal deficits (inflationary), massive comsumer borrowing (inflationary), oil prices more than doubled in three years and flat wages. Yet for years we were told that inflation was low. Somehow most of that inflationary pressure was absorbed in real estate which actually made people feel good, They grumbled about gas prices but sucked it up well enough and increased their consumption.

I noticed a few years ago that grocery prices increased selectively. One year herbs and spice prices doubled or more. The next year it was something else. Cheese up sometime in the past year. Two to three months ago, everything seemed to jump up by a dollar. Okay that an exaggeration, peanut butter, bread and eggs didn’t. But milk prices jumped a few weeks ago. Can consumers absorb this? I don’t know.

What we don’t know yet is how ugly the bank loan portfolios are and how much trading on margin is going on. And I have no idea where the commodity market are. But we’re getting closer to 1929 — it will be different. Instead of jumping out of windows, the brokers will take their private jets to Paraguay. And there may be enough of the New Deal regulation structure still in place that it prevents a total collapse and panic. Runs on banks make a bad situation worse.

Anyway there’s little that can be done to stop the train now. So, no need to worry about it.

96. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 August 2007

I love that PJ song, lucid.

My favorite is You Said Something, which I actually used to listen to sitting on a rooftop of an unheated loft in Brooklyn, where some kind people let me crash after I lost my apt (and job, and pretty damned-near everything else):

On a rooftop in Brooklyn
One in the morning
Watching the lights flash
In Manhattan
I see five bridges
The empire state building
And you said something
That I’ve never forgotten

We lean against railings
Describing the colours
And the smells of our homelands
Acting like lovers
How did we get here?
To this point of living?
I held my breath
And you said something

And I am doing nothing wrong
Riding in your car
Your radio playing
We sing up to the eighth floor
A rooftop, in Manhattan
One in the morning
When you said something
That I’ve never forgotten
When you said something
That was really important

Manhattan is achingly beautiful at night.

97. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 August 2007

actually, basic foodstuffs are up substantially:

The Labor Department’s most recent inflation data showed that U.S. food prices rose by 4.2 percent for the 12 months ending in July, but a deeper look at the numbers reveals that the price of milk, eggs and other essentials in the American diet are actually rising by double digits.

Already stung by a two-year rise in gasoline prices, American consumers now face sharply higher prices for foods they can’t do without. This little-known fact may go a long way to explaining why, despite healthy job statistics, Americans remain glum about the economy.

Meeting with economic writers last week, President Bush dismissed several polls that show Americans are down on the economy. He expressed surprise that inflation is one of the stated concerns.

“They cite inflation?” Bush asked, adding that, “I happen to believe the war has clouded a lot of people’s sense of optimism.”

But the inflation numbers reveal the extent to which lower- and middle-income Americans are being pinched.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics said in its July inflation report that egg prices are 33.7 percent higher than they were in July 2006. Over the same period, according to the department’s consumer price index, whole milk was up 21.1 percent; fresh chicken 8.4 percent; navel oranges 13.6 percent; apples 8.7 percent. Dried beans were up 11.5 percent, and white bread just missed double-digit growth, rising by 8.8 percent.

The games being played by the federal reserve and the markets, trying to mitigate THEIR losses and soften the landing (I think your description of what they’re trying to do is pretty right, Marie) camoflages how terribly hollow the base economy is.

Off to work vipes … have a great day.

98. outofwater - 31 August 2007

A few years ago, I was trapped in the car on a Sunday listening to Garrison Keillor when he opined that Richard Nixon was the last President to feel a Christian obligation to the poor. I’m agnostic on Keillor, although I think he considers himself progressive or liberal, so his observation that Carter wasn’t driven by Christian faith to help the less fortunate surprised me. Maybe he only meant to include Republicans, maybe he did only include Republicans and my memory fails me.

Keillor may have been right, even if he wasn’t, there were no socially liberal Republicans in 1988 and damn few Democrats with conscience by that point.

You may be asking yourself why Keillor’s thoughts matter at all, but I can’t answer that. It just came to mind.

99. outofwater - 31 August 2007

Grocery prices spiked the second week of August. It hit like a bolt of lightning, I assumed it was related to the store’s electric bill, it was amazing. Eventually even the basics will be a luxury for the middle class.

Yesterday at the local Big Box store there were no Ramen noodles left. I don’t eat them, but the fact that there was a gaping hole where they were stored, with a few runaway packages on the floor gave me a knot in my stomach.

100. Shadowthief - 31 August 2007

Couple of things, my darlings, and then I’m off for my morning run (I set savage dogs loose and they chase me–everybody needs an external motivator from time to time):

First, the timing of the attack on Iran will be to “lock in” both the Republican and the Democratic candidates to a continuation of World War III. The voters in 2008 will be given a choice that is no choice at all: two pro-war, pro-empire candidates. The only question will be which one can convince the voters that he/she is more competent as the general manager of American Empire, Inc., Romney or Clinton. I’ve no doubt both of them will claw at each other with competing claims of which one will kill more Iranians. That’s why I think the attack will be in spring 2008: the nominees of both parties will be de facto decided, so absolutely no room that one of them can change his/her mind about killing a few hundred thousand Iranian children through malnutrition, starvation, and disease (and there are military and economic reasons besides–a winter attack on an oil-producing country in the Middle East is unwise for many reasons).

As for Marie’s earlier question (I think it was Marie) about what the Cheneyists have done to prepare for an attack on Iran: they have five major military bases (at least) in Iraq capable of launching air sorties against Iran, and not one, not two, but three aircraft carrier groups in the Persian Gulf. One aircraft carrier group has more first-class fighter planes than the entire nation of Iran; three aircraft carrier groups is a veritable Hammer of Thor.

Second, it will be a study in comedy to watch the Democratic presidential candidates do the Curly Shuffle, the two-step, the tango, the hustle, and any other dance moves that can get them away from gay marriage. The Democrats want the votes of gay people, but, as they do with blacks, they don’t want to actually EARN them and they don’t want to make any promises to “special interest” groups (even if the “special interest” is in being a first-class citizen).

The Democrats live in abject terror of Rush Limbaugh and his herd, you see (as do the Kossackatonianvites), and are afraid to confront their homophobia and gay-bashing jokes. But it seems that, piece by piece, gays are gaining ground here and there. However, due to the packing of the Supreme Court with Bush I and Bush II appointees, it seems unlikely that the SC will sweep away the prohibition against same-gender marriage for at least a generation. That is, unless we have a revolution and impeach at least four or five of the High Nine as traitors.

Ah, and a quick note on meta: Another bit of comedy as I watch MSOC and some MLW courtiers attempt to engage at Politicalfleshfeast. Doesn’t MSOC have a Scoop-powered blog? But I suppose it’s rather boring, being surrounded with sycophants 24/7. Still, the MLWers seem curiously out of place at PFF, wandering around a bit lost. I do find it laughable when one owns a blog and yet spends more time commenting at someone else’s site; not exactly complimentary to your own place, is it?

101. Miss Devore - 31 August 2007


“President Bush’s apparent plans for a preemptive nuclear strike on Iran will only add to the civilian death toll as a result of US intervention that has placed the president “high on the list of mass murders of all time,” a former aide in President Ronald Reagan’s administration known for strident anti-Bush rhetoric said Friday.

“Bush is too self-righteous to see the dark humor in his denunciations of Iran for threatening ‘the security of nations everywhere’ and of the Iraqi resistance for ‘a vision that rejects tolerance, crushes all dissent, and justifies the murder of innocent men, women, and children in the pursuit of political power,'” writes Paul Craig Roberts, a former assistant secretary of the Treasury. “Those are precisely the words that most of the world applies to Bush and his Brownshirt administration.”


“The war criminal is in the living room, and no official notice is taken of the fact,” Roberts writes. “

102. Revisionist - 31 August 2007

chavez has stepped into a hostage negotiation in columbia

Hugo Chavez takes on a more delicate role on Friday when he tries to broker a deal to free hostages held by Colombia’s Marxist guerrillas.

Chavez steps into a bitter deadlock between President Alvaro Uribe, a U.S. ally popular for his hard-line stance against rebels, and Latin America’s oldest guerrilla group resisting attempts to end a 40-year conflict.

103. marisacat - 31 August 2007

No matter what measure is used, however, the trajectory of home prices in most regions of the United States is affecting consumers and companies that profited from the housing boom. Freddie Mac (FRE.N: Quote, Profile, Research) on Thursday said slower home price gains were partly to blame for a 45 percent decline in its second-quarter profit.

OFHEO’s [Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight] index measuring only home purchase prices increased at a slower 2.6 percent rate year-over-year.

Prices fell between 1 percent and 1.5 percent in Nevada, Michigan, California, Massachusetts and Rhode Island. Declines have not occurred in as many as five states since the 1996 to 1997 period, OFHEO said.

Utah and Wyoming led states with price appreciation, with gains of 15.3 percent and 12.8 percent, respectively.

Prices were “basically flat” in the quarter, and “significant price declines appear localized in areas with weak economies or where price increases were particularly dramatic during the housing boom,” James Lockhart, director of OFHEO, said in the statement.

On a more local level, 61 cities had price declines and 226 saw price appreciation over a four month period. Eighteen of 20 cities with the steepest price drops, between 4.2 percent and 8.7 percent, were located in Florida and California, it said.


104. raincat100 - 31 August 2007

From a JJB post (#48) in the previous thread:

“It also seems to this decided non-expert that Craig is a very high-risk for suicide at this point. I hope that thought has occurred to those near and dear to him, and they are taking steps to see that this doesn’t end with him trying to kill himself.”

I was thinking the same thing. He is being thrown under the bus by his GOP “friends”. The cognitive dissonance must be unbearable. He’s got no where to go — he’s cornered himself.

105. marisacat - 31 August 2007

Thanks Revisionist…

in that contest, no contest, for Chavez. America will go down fielding and funding paramilitaries.

What a nasty joke it all has been.



yes it is a classic situation, isn’t it. The drumbeat against him rose instantly from the pundit and political class. The RNC has denounced him, essentially. Struck by Romney, previously only one of two senate R to come out for Romney, or so I read.

Although I read last night Buchanan blames the liberal media. They hounded him.

You just know we want show trials again in this country, like the Chicago 8.

106. Marie - 31 August 2007

#103 — very tellng: affecting consumers and companies that profited from the housing boom. Freddie Mac (FRE.N: Quote, Profile, Research) on Thursday said slower home price gains were partly to blame for a 45 percent decline in its second-quarter profit.

The rate of housing appreciation should not have more than a negligible impact on mortage lenders – they’re supposed to be making their money on mortgage interest payments not loan origination fees. I knew that Freddie Mac was becoming another irrational operation a few years ago, but I have to say that I wasn’t aware of just how bad it had become. What happens to its profits when there is no housing price gains? Or deflation? And further increase in the foreclosure rate? Robert Kuttner explains what really went wrong and how it’s been developing for years. Ain’t virtually total privatization of residential development and the mortgage lending to support it great?

107. lucid - 31 August 2007

RE: inflation. The thing that I can’t figure out is this. My energy costs went up about 30% this year. My grocery bill went up by about 16%.

Anyhow, when I was computing the CPI adjustments for employees at one of the businesses I manage financially this August [something I do annually] I was completely baffled when every official report I tracked down for the region only showed an annual CPI increase of 2.5% from June 06 – June 07…

108. mattes - 31 August 2007

Liberalcatnip….remember Obama is now taking advise from Dennis Ross.

oh, and that axis website…scary!

109. marisacat - 31 August 2007

well what I heard for years was that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were the Democrats’ boondoggle, backwater, swamp, private reserve, whatever words convey it was theirs to siphon from and make use of, place patronage and nepotism proteges at… . It was assigned to them to mismanage and thieve from. Other agencies were for the Republicans to thieve and mismanage.

I think we are in deep trouble. Swimming in ponzi schemes and potemkin villages.

110. Marie - 31 August 2007

lucid #107 – it’s about how the CPI is calculated. Exclude volatile goods like energy and food, credit the high tech industry with giving us more for less and presto, it wipes out the inflation for housing. Although they tend to highlight the rate that includes energy and food in the months where there is a decline in gas prices and seasonal fresh produce at lower prices hits the market. It’s become as meaningless as the unemployment rate.

111. marisacat - 31 August 2007

Dennis Ross and Colin Powell and his delcared buds are Lugar Warner and Lieberman.

Your wars are safe iwth me.

Some pundit a few months ago said, does Obama want to be a black bombing brown and black, or WTF?

112. marisacat - 31 August 2007

basic foodstuffs at Safeway went up 50c to one dollar, as of three weeks ago.

I just put together another order alst night and it seems prices are slightly higher again, maybe 25c

113. cad - 31 August 2007

i still claim kos voted for arnie in the recall and re-election.

let him deny it — but he won’t. for a reason.

114. marisacat - 31 August 2007

A couple days ago I read that Daniel Pipes is on board with Guiliani, today I read that Ted Olson has signed up.


115. marisacat - 31 August 2007

hmm sounds like Hsu is in the process of surrendering, out here in RedWood City, so of San Francisco.

116. marisacat - 31 August 2007
117. Revisionist - 31 August 2007

I have an update on Hsu at PFF.. LA Times did some digging.

118. marisacat - 31 August 2007

it’s official (ABC local affiliate news break):

Warner of VA is retiring. Will not seek relection.

Good riddance. Levin can go as well, afaiac

119. Miss Devore - 31 August 2007

Horrifying story on the CNN site about the victims of the Soviet Union’s above-ground nuclear testing in Kazakstan–I had no idea; I thought the article was going to be about Chernobyl.:


120. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

FLH updated his diary:

Author’s Note: I just spoke with Lauren Montgomery in the Classifieds Department at the Northern Star newspaper (815-753-0101.) She says the Northern Star website has just been renovated, and the technicians are still working to get all of the archives back online. So all of the archives, (presumably including the articles in which MAMZ opposed gays in the miltiary and said he is not a minority), will be available again in about a week, she said.

Mystery solved.

121. liberalcatnip - 31 August 2007

I don’t know all of the ins and outs of the financial crunch in the US but here’s some news:

Bush said the Federal Housing Administration, a government agency that provides mortgage insurance to borrowers through lenders in the private sector, would launch in coming days a program called FHA Secure. The program would let homeowners who have good credit histories but can’t afford their current mortgage payments to refinance into mortgages insured by the FHA.

“This means that many families who are struggling now will be able to refinance their loans, meet their monthly payments and keep their homes,” Bush said.

Bernanke: Fed ready to act if turmoil hits economy

122. wozzle - 31 August 2007

Harry, you’re such a putz.

123. ms_xeno - 31 August 2007


mr_xeno and another guy at the NW Constitutional Rights Center wrote a piece about the 2002 Protest settlement. Put it up on one of those “boxcar” blogs. I read about half a dozen of the comments and nausea promptly set in. Propaganda and self-congratulation everywhere from the little burgher wannabees who clot that place.



Hell. I’m going back to bed. For a month, maybe. >:

124. mattes - 31 August 2007

…groceries…I am pulling out my beans, rice and tortilla recipes.

125. marisacat - 31 August 2007

new thread…


126. D. Throat - 31 August 2007


The FED creates money by printing it, and in a growing and expanding economy it has to do that. Not sure why anybody thinks that’s evil. Commercial or retail banks don’t create money by lending. That’s just a banking transaction.

That is why you should really watch the video… it is the exact opposite. The Fed reserve only prints 5% of the money that is in circulation… private banks “print” (ie creates) 95% of money in circulation by creating debt (offering loans) and using these debt notes to back more loans.

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