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STRIKE! 22 September 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Afghanistan War, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Iran, Iraq War, Israel/AIPAC, The Battle for New Orleans, WAR!.

If someone were to suggest, for example, that we begin a general strike on Election Day, November 6, 2007, for the sole purpose of removing this regime from power, how readily and with what well-practiced assurance would you find yourself producing the words “It won’t do any good”? Plausible and even courageous in the mouth of a patient who knows he’s going to die, the sentiment fits equally well in the heart of a citizen-ry that believes it is already dead.  

It is behind the sub wall at Harper’s [come on Harper’s, loosen up a bit!  for democracy… 😉 ] … an article calling for a General Strike on Election Day, it is by Garret Keizer and here are a few snips:

The stream of commuters heading into the city, the caravan of tractor-trailers pulling out of the rest stop into the dawn’s early light, speak a deep-throated Yes to the sum total of what’s going on in our collective life.

The poet Richard Wilbur writes of the “ripped mouse” that “cries Concordance” in the talons of the owl; we too cry our daily assent in the grip of the prevailing order— except in those notable instances when, like a donkey or a Buddha, we refuse to budge.

The question we need to ask ourselves at this moment is what further provocations we require to justify digging in our heels. To put the question more pointedly: Are we willing to wait until the next presidential election, or for some interim congressional conversion experience, knowing that if we do wait, hundreds of our sons and daughters will be needlessly destroyed? Another poet, César Vallejo, framed the question like this:

A man shivers with cold, coughs, spits up blood.
Will it ever be fitting to allude to my inner soul? . . .
A cripple sleeps with one foot on his shoulder.
Shall I later on talk about Picasso, of all people?

A young man goes to Walter Reed without a face. Shall I make an appointment with my barber? A female prisoner is sodomized at Abu Ghraib.

Shall I send a check to the Clinton campaign?

            morgue workers - iraq

It is one thing to endure abuses and to carry on in spite of them. It is quite another thing to carry on to the point of abetting the abuse. We need to move the discussion of our nation’s health to the emergency room.

We need to tell the doctors of the body politic that the treatment isn’t working—and that until it changes radically for the better, neither are we.

   Baghdad bombings - Jan 22 2007 - some carry relatives to hospital - AFP photo 

From the close:

One need only speak a coherent sentence—one need only breathe from a differently shaped smirk—to seem like a savior. Ding-dong, the Witch is dead.

Already I can see the winged monkeys who signed off on the Patriot Act and the Iraq invasion jumping up and down for joy. Already I can hear the nauseating gush: “Such a welcome relief after Bush!” Relief, yes. But relief is not hope.

How much better if we could say to our next administration: Don’t talk about Bush. We dealt with Bush. We dealt with Bush and in so doing we demonstrated our ability to deal with you. You have a mandate more rigorous than looking good beside Bush. You need a program more ambitious than “uniting the country.” We are united—at least we were, if only for a while, if only in our disgust. If only I believed all this would happen.

I wrote this appeal during the days leading up to the Fourth of July. I wrote it because for the past six and a half years I have heard the people I love best—family members, friends, former students and parishioners—saying, “I’m sick over what’s happening to our country, but I just don’t know what to do.” Might I be pardoned if, fearing civil disorder less than I fear civil despair, I said, “Well, we could do this.” It has been done before and we could do this. And I do believe we could. If anyone has a better idea, I’m keen to hear it.

Only don’t tell me what some presidential hopeful ought to do someday. Tell me what the people who have nearly lost their hope can do right now.

  outside a morgue - Oct 17 2006 - Reuters Helmiy al Azawi

     Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust. —Isaiah 26:19




1. CSTAR - 22 September 2007

This probably belongs in the previous post, but whatever. This interview with Pepe Escobar (linked to by Marisa)


is definitely worth listening to. Particularly, as concerns the US in relation to politics in the southern hemisphere.

2. BooHooHooMan - 22 September 2007

Mcat Strike indeed although i should prlly have pointed this out in the prev thread, “Wankerful”

Hold dailykos hostage for a day

For some reason, we’re not making a difference.

We’re just not trying hard enough.

How can we make Congress seriously resist…{snip- LMAO}
Here are some ideas on how we can harness more of daily kos’s horses to pull America back from disaster. {REALLY LMAO- BHHM}

3. antihegemonic - 22 September 2007

Notice AnnArborBlue was there to remind everyone that campaign cash is the only manner whereby they can influence politics. I am not surprised.

4. Marie - 22 September 2007

MitM #124 from prior thread – Romney ad, do you think they’ll win the contest?

5. antihegemonic - 22 September 2007

Cheryl’s comment is the best comment I have ever read on a blog.

This is not a blog~! It’s a Cult~!

“You should see and understand things as they are, not as you would wish them to be.”

“I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me”.
“Good Will- Resistance to feelings of anger and aversion.”

“I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me”.
“Abstention from harsh words that offend or hurt others.”

“I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me”.
“Acting kindly and compassionately”

“I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me”.
“Mental energy is the force behind right effort. The same type of energy that fuels desire, envy, aggression, and violence can on the other side fuel self-discipline, honesty, benevolence, and kindness.”

“I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me”.
“Most people here have Right Intention, a commitment to improvement. They are people of good will, not into thinking or acting cruelly, violently, or aggressively and instead developing compassion.

ROFL~!!!! You’re a bunch of Kossaks gone mad as hatters is what ya are~! Need ‘mo power?

“I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me”.
“They are committed to ethical conduct, of which one part is Right Speech. Let’s review the elements-
• Abstention from false speech that deliberately lies and deceives.
• Abstention from slanderous speech and the malicious use of words against others.
• Abstention from harsh words that offend or hurt others.
• Abstention from idle chatter that lacks purpose or depth.”

OMG~! I can’t wait until you start devouring each other! Hahahhaaa~!

“Another part of ethical conduct is Right Action- kindness and compassion, honesty,…”

“I don’t give a rat’s ass what you think about me”.
“If you are developing new bad habits. If you are not abandoning old bad habits. If you are not developing new good habits or maintaining and perfecting the same-


• Good Will- Resistance to feelings of anger and aversion.
• Harmlessness- Not thinking or acting cruelly, violently, or aggressively and instead developing compassion.”

Again~! ROFL~! What? Are the 32 of you going to set up a confession exchange? lmao~!

“If I see you misbehaving I’ll suspend you.If a Contributing Editor complains about you in the Admin Forum I’ll suspend you.”

Not ME, motherfucker~!

“A notification will be put up in the Admin Forum and as many Admins and Contributing Editors as care to contribute will discuss your case and debate the appropriate punishment. This process may take 24 hours.

Most punishments will take the form of suspensions, either 2 days or 1 week. You will not be able to post (comments or essays) or rate. You may receive multiple suspensions and they may be greater or lesser depending on severity and frequency of the offense.

All Administrative Punishments will be reviewed by budhy.

Fuck you man, and fuck your “punishments”. Who the fuck do you think you are?

This sounds like Abu Grahib~! Again, fuck you I say~! And (!) the 32 of your asshole brownshirt compatriots~!

“Words can break or save lives, make enemies or friends, start war or create peace”.

“If it is budhy’s decision that the content is not too offensive it will be restored. He will be advised by the Admins and Contributing Editors, but the final decision is his. This process may take up to 24 hours.”

Yeah, right…budhy’s your fucking scapegoat.

You’re a bunch of incestous lightweights.


Stick buhdy up your tight assholes~!

I encourage all of you who are not ratings abusers to treat this practice with the ridicule and derision it deserves. It is so petty it is not worth punishing, it is beneath notice.

Oh! More “punishing”~! Fuck you again~! Fuck you six ways to Sunday!

“The recommendations of Admins and Contributing Editors to budhy on disciplinary measures are private. If an Admin or Contributing Editor wishes to make their own opinion public that’s their choice. If an Admin or Contributing Editor chooses to make the opinions of another Admin or Contributing Editor public I will recommend to budhy that he consider whether they should continue in that position or not.”

You know what I can’t wait to see? When you weirdos start up on each other~! And you will, mark it well. Now THAT will be fun to watch~! You will fight and tear each other limb from limb, know why? Because you’re all control freaks, and there will come a time you will not be able to speak with one, boring, banal voice. After you have rid yourselves of ANY dissent, you’ll go after each other. LOL~!

“If your concern is that justice is not equally dispensed, essentially you’re contending that all 32 of us are being dishonest with you.

If you feel that way, why stay?”

Not only are you dishonest, but boors as well. I’m outta here. So fuck you attempting to “punish” or “dise” me, motherfuckers~!

One last thing.

I truly think all you fucks are sick, twisted and beyond strange.


Her stance is definitely antihegemonic.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 September 2007

LOL … from my limited experience with Mormons, I didn’t notice an abundance of humor.

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 22 September 2007

I have something new up:

The New Southern Strategy

8. marisacat - 22 September 2007

From Madman’s piece, a snip he uses:

Land agreed to meet for coffee at a downtown Washington hotel. He was wary: “I brought a witness,” he jokes now. Dean was there to chip away at Land’s loyalty to the GOP, and strangely, Land found himself warming to the liberal Democrat. Among other things, he admired Dean’s frugality. “He hauled his own suitcase around, and the Capitol Hill Suites isn’t exactly fancy,” Land tells NEWSWEEK. “I was impressed.”

More important, the two men had something to talk about, and did so cordially.

“Dean told me how the Democrats were pro-life in that they wanted a country in which abortion was rare. I said, ‘I agree, but we disagree how to get there.’ Still, it was certainly a change in tone.”

“.. and I do mean rare…”

FU Howard

9. marisacat - 22 September 2007


someone just popped me this sub thread (I have not read th diary or the thread)

LOL don’t miss MB.

Just here to teach. Just the facts ma’am.

Have to laugh.

10. marisacat - 23 September 2007

LOL I found this at Danny Schechter’s… but he does not link to what post of Stoller’s at OPen Left he took it from… And I don’t wanna hunt, but Hillary:

cut the boy a cheque:

You know, I have to admit, that outside of the residual forces disaster, Hillary Clinton is rapidly moving up in my rankings of Democratic candidates for President. Say whatever else you want about the Clintons, but they don’t take bullshit Republican attacks lying down or cowering in a corner. And if there is one thing I can’t stand right now it is Democrats who won’t stand up for themselves, who stab their allies in the back in order to appeal to D.C. elites and Republicans, and then ask us to keep fighting for them. At least Clinton fights back, and hard, whenever attacks are directed her way. That is a big plus in my book.

11. lucid - 23 September 2007

Holy crap – I just met Fujimori’s grandaughter in a bar in Brooklyn. We actually had a very pleseant conversation. At some point I asked her where she was from, she said Peru. I asked her where she was on the politics there, she said her grandfather was killed by terrorists, I asked her who killed her grandfather, she said, Lori Berenson…

I’m not kidding, about any of this.

Marie – if you are asking about the times I blow a gasket… this is one of them. The daughter of the fascist ruling party in Peru, I’m flirthing with her, I give her a cigarette, we’re hitting it off, I pop the political question, and realize her father is a butcher.

I walked away for about 20 minutes. And I came back and confronted her about Lori Berenson. How could you live out your priveledged life, while this woman is fucking tortured in the name of your fucking grandfather… to support fascism within your country?

My bass player couldn’t understand this. He has no idea who Lori Berenson is. He has no idea about latin american politics…

12. D. Throat - 23 September 2007

So how did she answer???


BTW… I hadn’t realized that OPOL is a R*A*D*I*C*A*L until I read his docudhramatization proclaiming he is indeed. I guess he just forgot about the I*M*P*E*A*C*H*M*E*N*T part.

The progressive movement needs more OPOL’s, and more Buhdy’s, and (4.00 / 14)

more Armando’s, and several million more Nightprowlkitty’s. A few more Turkana’s wouldn’t hurt either.

One Markos is enough.

One pff is one too many.

This concludes my sermon, please do not trample one another while exiting the First Evangelical Church of Rusty the Wondrous Redeemer.

by: Rusty1776 @ Sat Sep 22, 2007 at 19:13:41 PM CDT

13. marisacat - 23 September 2007

Speaking of Fujimori, he is back in Peru

14. marisacat - 23 September 2007

Hilarius the First succeeds Bush the Second?:

Karl Rove may not think much of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s chances of winning the White House, but it sounds like President Bush is less sanguine. At an off-the-record lunch a week ago, Bush expressed admiration for her tenacity in the campaign. And he left some in the room with the impression that he thinks she will win the election and has been thinking about how to turn over the country to her.

The topic came up when Bush invited a group of morning and evening news anchors and Sunday show hosts to join him in the executive mansion’s family dining room a few hours before he delivered his nationally televised address on Iraq last week. Bush made no explicit election predictions, according to some in the room, but clearly thought Clinton would win the Democratic nomination and talked in a way that seemed to suggest he expects her to succeed him – and will continue his Iraq policy if she does.

As Bush was describing his thinking about Iraq and the future, he indicated he wants to use his final 16 months to stabilize Iraq enough and redefine the U.S. mission there so that the next president, even a Democrat, would feel politically able to keep a smaller but long-term presence in the country. The broadcasters were not allowed to directly quote the president, but they were allowed to allude to his thinking and George Stephanopoulos of ABC News later cited the analogy of Dwight D. Eisenhower essentially adopting President Harry S. Truman’s foreign policy despite the Republican general’s 1952 campaign statements.

we are so blessed.

15. marisacat - 23 September 2007

Hersh interview in the Jewish Journal (found at Laura Rozen’s War and Piece)

16. marisacat - 23 September 2007

I’m not talking about you. I’m talking about “Community Moderation”. The scoop style community moderation system has long been an interest of mine right from its conception.

But, loathe as I am to admit it. I’m beginning to consider it a miserable failure that perhaps should have never been created.

gee. kraant… ya think?

I HATE RATINGS, even tho I use 5 Riotous over at peeder’s. The whole thing is fucked. Even in a supposedly open environment.

17. marisacat - 23 September 2007

LOL on the list of search terms that resulted in Mcat, this is since 5 pm yesterday:

august dhinmi site:marisacat.wordpress.c 11
september dhinmi site:marisacat.wordpres 7

somebody is hunting…

18. D. Throat - 23 September 2007

Well now I know how to search.

Well DH is probably looking for his acts of cowardice in the face of low level GOP operatives

“wimp” dhinmi site:BBB.White.Boyz.con

19. supervixen - 23 September 2007

I’m trying to find lucid’s diary with Barb’s barbs – has it been deleted??

16, Mcat: as I understand Scoop, it was originally intended as a community-editing program in which people would submit articles that would be approved (or not) by the general population. That’s a good idea. What’s not a good idea, and I think was added later, are the comment ratings, especially the troll rating. Hiding comments and potentially booting someone from the community is like crack for online bullies.

Re: Rusty: One pff is one too many. You know what’s funny is the frenzy (see: Barb) about the existence of sites like this and PFF where open criticism of sacred cows like Daily Kos is allowed and encouraged. If we are really so unimportant, irrelevant and out-of-touch, why don’t they just ignore us? Answer: they are terrified of criticism and yearn to silence it completely.

20. marisacat - 23 September 2007

it was originally intended as a community-editing program in which people would submit articles that would be approved (or not) by the general population. — SV

which was never operational at Dkos.

From minute one (Oct 03) it was a tool to manufacture consensus and rather quickly iwth the thug system growing (DhinMI, DemFcT, MB, etc., all pre date the installation of scoop and ratings) it became a shunning mechanism.

I see no value in all of that, at all. It made a nasty little prison of Dkos. Play for ratings… diaries about ratings, threads about ratings. People still run around declaring they had TU “status” when banned.

So what? The ONLY value to having TU was to read what was hidden. That was it.

What a fucked mess, and it was planned.

21. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

A LKos diary with a sophicated nuanced look at Ahmadinejad


I predict it will sink like a stone.

But I’d take issue with one passage

“Could it be that, to the Bush Administration, one of the most dangerous things about Ahmadinejad is that he is calling the Bush Administration out? And so, if Ahmadinejad can’t be silenced, at least he can be discredited. I’m not saying he’s a good guy at all. I’m only saying it’s hard to know the full story when the Bush Administration seems so invested in smearing Ahmadinejad — and the media, as we’ve already learned with Iraq, is happy to choose its facts in convenient accordance.”

The REASON Bush and the various factions in US politics that control foreign policy are hysterical about Ahmadinejad is not really the fact that he’s calling Bush and the Israelis out on human rights. Everybody in the Middle East does that and 99% of them are hypocrates.

And it’s certainly not religious fanaticism. Nobody’s making a fuss about the Saudis.

It’s this. Iran, as theocratric as it is, distributes some of their oil revenue to the people. Saudi Arabia doens’t. If Iran survives, the model could spread to Iraq and the rest of the Middle East. If the Chinese start buying their oil….well, let’s just say some powerful interests in the USA are fucked.

Even the Israelis aren’t the main problem here (although they’re the loudest most vocal people pushing for them to do Iran like they did Iraq).

22. JJB - 23 September 2007

MCat, no. 14,

I read that piece in the WaPo yesterday and was struck yet again by the ignorance of American history displayed by both Boy George and the writer. Ike made some very serious changes to Truman’s foreign policy. First, he ended the Korean War well short of anything that could be classified as victory, which Harry wasn’t really happy about. Second, he used the CIA to overthrow two democratically elected regimes in Iran and Guatemala, which Truman (to his everlasting credit) had refused to do. HST had no qualms about trying to fix elections in countries like Greece, Italy, France, and Japan, but if the vote went against whoever we were backing, he wasn’t willing to so bluntly and clumsily alter the result. Eisenhower also allowed his Secretary of State John Foster Dulles to indulge in rhetoric suggesting we were intent on pushing the Soviets out of Central Europe, and this irresponsible chatter was responsible for much sorrow in Soviet occupied territory, particularly Hungary.

BTW, I see that Kosolini got his picture in the WaPo’s Book World section today. It seems he’s “netroots’ first political rock star.” All this comes from a new book about the Netroots Revolution by NY Times reporter Matt Bai, in which we are given (courtesy of Kossack Gina Cooper) “the most acute summation behind the soul of the political blogosphere: ‘People need something to believe in. And if they can believe in you, then they can believe in themselves. No one’s going to give me permission to just suddenly speak with authority. I just have to do it.'”

I’ve been reading variations on that theme for a very long time now, mostly from Kos, his FPers, and most devoted stooges. Nothing new here, except for the MSM.

23. marisacat - 23 September 2007

Iraq War Budget Jumps for 2008

By Julian E. Barnes
The Los Angeles Times

Saturday 22 September 2007

Bush plans to increase his request to nearly $200 billion. The troop buildup and new gear are the main reasons.

Washington— After smothering efforts by war critics in Congress to drastically cut U.S. troop levels in Iraq, President Bush plans to ask lawmakers next week to approve another massive spending measure – totaling nearly $200 billion – to fund the war through next year, Pentagon officials said.

If Bush’s spending request is approved, 2008 will be the most expensive year of the Iraq war.

When costs of CIA operations and embassy expenses are added, the war in Iraq currently costs taxpayers about $12 billion a month, said Winslow T. Wheeler, a former Republican congressional budget aide who is a senior fellow at the Center for Defense Information in Washington.

“Everybody predicts declines, but they haven’t occurred, and 2008 will be higher than 2007,” Wheeler said. “It all depends on what happens in Iraq, but thus far it has continued to get bloodier and more expensive. Everyone says we are going to turn the corner here, but the corner has not been turned.”

In 2004, the two conflicts together cost $94 billion; in 2005, they cost $108 billion; in 2006, $122 billion.

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are financed through a single administration request to Congress, and their costs are combined in the legislation. [snip]

24. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 September 2007

Kouchner is on Wolfie … man is he an aggressive prick. He’s gonna lead France to help us kill more people.

25. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 September 2007

How to Avoid Advancing the Gay Agenda

The Human Rights Campaign has released its latest Corporate Equality Index and it shows a record 195 companies receiving a perfect score of 100, up from 138 companies last year and only 13 in 2002, the first year they published the Index. Corporate America is clearly way ahead of the government in recognize the equal value of gay and straight employees and the equal need to recruit and retain top talent.

This is quite a problem for groups like the American Family Association, who have made quite a public scene with their attempts to boycott Ford because they – gasp! – advertise their cars in gay magazines and – double gasp! – have a policy of not firing gay people just for being gay. But since there are now nearly 200 major corporations that, like Ford, score a perfect 100 for their gay-friendly policies, how does a bigot avoid unwittingly supporting one of them and thus help advance the “radical gay agenda”? You’ve come to the right place for advice.

You can’t fly on American Airlines or US Airways, both of which scored a perfect 100. You might also want to avoid United, Southwest, Delta, Northwest, Continental and JetBlue; all scored above 80. Who can you fly? Well, you could try Nepal Airlines, the faith-based airline that sacrifices goats to appease God. On second thought, that won’t work either. Nepal Airlines has two planes, both of them made by Boeing; Boeing got a perfect 100 too. Go Greyhound!

He goes through a long list of companies you can’t give you money to w/o advancing the “gay agenda”, and eventually gets to this one:

Speaking of which, eating and drinking could be a bit difficult as well. No Coke or Pepsi, they both got 100. Nothing from Kraft or General Mills, which wipes out about half the products in the supermarket. No Budweiser. For crying out loud, even Coors, typically a friend to conservatives, has been corrupted by the forces of buggery and scores a perfect 100. And even that old American standy, Campbell Soups, got a 95.

Ironically, you can safely eat Heinz 57 sauce; despite being associated with a certain gay-loving Massachusetts liberal, they only scored a 46. It doesn’t look like you’ll have much to put it on though; perhaps it will go well with the manna from the sky you’ll be relying on in your quest to take a stand for decency in America.

Ah, western Arkansas Pennsylvania … gotta love it.

Of course, if we go a step deeper, almost all of those companies pour their campaign contributions to the party that is more overtly homophobic (and no, I give the donks NO slack for their soft pandering of homophobes) … so one can ask just what their commitment really is.

26. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

Kouchner is on Wolfie … man is he an aggressive prick. He’s gonna lead France to help us kill more people.

So has anybody looked past the “Ahmadinejad is Satan” propaganda and followed the money?

It was obvious that the French were opposed to taking out Saddam because they had ecnomic interests in Iraq they didn’t want the US and Britain getting their dirty little paws on.

In the US, predictibly, the press (and even the anti-war protesters) saw the issue as “French equals good and Americans equals bad”.

So why are the French leading the charge for war with Iran? What’s their interest in Iranian oil?

27. BooHooHooMan - 23 September 2007

DHinMi Illegal campaign contributions
DHinMI kickback scheme with bloggers
DHinMI a close associate of Mr. Moulitsas
Friend, Jerome Armstrong, stock touting peddling DHinMI
DHinMI funneling money to
DHinMI bed / dead woman / live boy

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 September 2007

Zuky puts up a post by “M”, who was one of the bloggers who first tried to push the Jena 6 story. She puts some perspective on what the whole thing means. Maybe Stoller and the rest of the whitosphere should read this:

Have a Glimmer of Understanding, Or Go Home — About the Jena Six

My issues with the Jena Six are similar to the issues I had with the Shaquanda Cotton case. Both cases involved young black Americans who reacted to an institution’s indifference with physical retaliation. (If you believe the “noose incident” build-up idea, as I do, you understand this sentence.) Both cases resulted in long and amorphous punishments that placed ridiculous standards of criminality and punishment on young men and women. (For example, in the Shaquanda Cotton case, her stay at the youth correction facility after one year was prolonged because “contraband” was found in her quarters — more than required pairs of socks and a styrofoam cup. In the Jena Six, the charge of “battery” was amplified to “assault with a deadly weapon” or “aggravated battery” — depending on your jurisdiction — because the fighters were wearing shoes.) Both cases left little to the imagination about the purposes of these sentences — they wanted to teach a lesson. Not to the students, but to the students’ local communities as well — any step out of line will be your last step. In both cases, the internet galvanized (and still galvanizes) a larger community — the largest jury, perhaps, since the ones formed in Ancient Athens — and it established a different standard of review to which the criminal justice system reluctantly yields: the verdicts handed down by public opinion and outrage.

So, the heart of the matter:

So what glimmer of understanding do I wish to impart? Very simply, the Jena Six is not a matter of guilt or innocence. If you think this case is about dancing and singing with Al Sharpton in Jena while wearing black, go home or bury some soap or something. If you view this case as a stepping stone for your own self-aggrandizement here there and everywhere, sit at home and think a few seconds before stepping back out again. If you think this case is only about freeing these young men, you’re half-steppin’. If you view the Jena Six incident as uppity newcomer Negroes wanting to start some ruckus, then please go back to your guard post under your bridge. Denial about a person’s criminal actions in a case is unwanted. This fight is not about what we can do to stop people from being criminals (though there’s no denying that goal is important); it is about what happens when those people are already within the criminal justice system and cannot afford an OJ-style legal Dream Team. (Unlike the amorphous debates over God and hip-hop, Johnnie Cochran is dead — bless his soul.) Even if those six teenagers are guilty of participating in a school fight, the penalty of decades in prison does not fit the crime. If our mainstream media watchdogs are sleeping on the job or are too busy staring up Britney’s skirt, we will lose people to our system routinely burying them under the jail in a matter of days because of insufficient representation, reckless convictions on circumstantial evidence, inadequate investigations, the wonders of a legal device known as a peremptory strike, and many other devices and systemic indifferences that ensure any perception of a person’s equal justice under the law is gone. The Jena Six punishment scheme is steeped in racial animus, even if the average Jena citizen’s colorblindness is kicking into stratospheric oblivion (wait for the Jena librarian’s explanation). Even as the citizen of a neighboring Louisiana town shows his biases and hostility proudly. If an overall goal must be set that encompasses the legal concessions of the past few months, that goal is fair sentencing and legal processing for people of color. If a specific goal must be set that is targeted towards Robert Bailey, Jesse Baird, Mychal Bell, Carwin Jones, Bryant Purvis, and Theodore Shaw, it is a fair trial with adequate legal representation and sentencing proportionate to their offenses if it is determined that they are guilty.

29. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

In the US, predictibly, the press (and even the anti-war protesters) saw the issue as “French equals good and Americans equals bad”.

Well not “French equal good Americans equal bad” but “French equal anti-war Americans equal belligerent”.

Nobody wanted to talk about the economics of the invasion of Iraq.

30. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 September 2007

dear god, listening to Hillary talk is like trying to gargle white paste.

I don’t think I can take four years of listening to a woman who sounds like the teacher on Peanuts after eight years of listening to a man who sounds like and idiot chipmunk fucked up on serious anti-psychotics.

31. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 September 2007
32. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 September 2007

Another example of why the expansion of the ability for people to limit their liability for misdeeds through corporations is a terrible idea:

Habana Health Care Center, a 150-bed nursing home in Tampa, Fla., was struggling when a group of large private investment firms purchased it and 48 other nursing homes in 2002.

The facility’s managers quickly cut costs. Within months, the number of clinical registered nurses at the home was half what it had been a year earlier, records collected by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services indicate. Budgets for nursing supplies, resident activities and other services also fell, according to Florida’s Agency for Health Care Administration.

The investors and operators were soon earning millions of dollars a year from their 49 homes.

Residents fared less well. Over three years, 15 at Habana died from what their families contend was negligent care in lawsuits filed in state court. Regulators repeatedly warned the home that staff levels were below mandatory minimums. When regulators visited, they found malfunctioning fire doors, unhygienic kitchens and a resident using a leg brace that was broken.

“They’ve created a hellhole,” said Vivian Hewitt, who sued Habana in 2004 when her mother died after a large bedsore became infected by feces.

Habana is one of thousands of nursing homes across the nation that large Wall Street investment companies have bought or agreed to acquire in recent years.

Those investors include prominent private equity firms like Warburg Pincus and the Carlyle Group, better known for buying companies like Dunkin’ Donuts.

As such investors have acquired nursing homes, they have often reduced costs, increased profits and quickly resold facilities for significant gains.

The typical nursing home acquired by a large investment company before 2006 scored worse than national rates in 12 of 14 indicators that regulators use to track ailments of long-term residents. Those ailments include bedsores and easily preventable infections, as well as the need to be restrained. Before they were acquired by private investors, many of those homes scored at or above national averages in similar measurements.

In the past, residents’ families often responded to such declines in care by suing, and regulators levied heavy fines against nursing home chains where understaffing led to lapses in care.

But private investment companies have made it very difficult for plaintiffs to succeed in court and for regulators to levy chainwide fines by creating complex corporate structures that obscure who controls their nursing homes.

By contrast, publicly owned nursing home chains are essentially required to disclose who controls their facilities in securities filings and other regulatory documents.

The Byzantine structures established at homes owned by private investment firms also make it harder for regulators to know if one company is responsible for multiple centers. And the structures help managers bypass rules that require them to report when they, in effect, pay themselves from programs like Medicare and Medicaid.

Investors in these homes say such structures are common in other businesses and have helped them revive an industry that was on the brink of widespread bankruptcy.

“Lawyers were convincing nursing home residents to sue over almost anything,” said Arnold M. Whitman, a principal with the fund that bought Habana in 2002, Formation Properties I.

Homes were closing because of ballooning litigation costs, he said. So investors like Mr. Whitman created corporate structures that insulated them from costly lawsuits, according to his company.

“We should be recognized for supporting this industry when almost everyone else was running away,” Mr. Whitman said in an interview.

Yup, nothing more heroic than a vampire.

33. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 September 2007
34. Saint Shadowthief - 23 September 2007

3. antihegemonic – 22 September 2007

Notice AnnArborBlue was there to remind everyone that campaign cash is the only manner whereby they can influence politics. I am not surprised.

I would like to quote from the film “American Gigolo”, in which the male prostitute Julian offers to buy his way out of a murder frameup:

JULIAN: What do you want? What will it take? Money? You want money? I can get you $50,000–

LEON (shakes head): Don’t matter, Julian. The other side will always pay more.

Same applies to politics. I gave $5,000 to candidates in 2004 because I really wanted to DO something–but the other side can always give 100, 1,000, 10,000 times more. I could empty my bank account, sell every possession I own, and borrow to the extent of my credit–and it would be a drop in a very large bucket to most of the candidates. I wouldn’t gain one bit of influence with them, but they’d happily cash my cheque.

Money is not the way to influence the political process, at least not for us proles. The only thing we have going for us is that we vastly outnumber the other side, the ruling elite. That’s why they spend so much of their time trying to discourage us from organising and why their lackeys spend so much time dissuading us from doing anything but give money.

35. Marie - 23 September 2007

MitM – #28 – I think she’s tone-deaf, literally. Wrote a peice on it but never posted it. Her voice will have a solid majority climbing the walls if they have to hear it almost everyday for four years. When people tune out a voice, they also tune out the message. That could be one reason that GWB has survived; few can listen long enough to him to hear what the fuck he’s saying. If they did, 70% would be saying the he’s a total loon. A very dangerous total loon.

(Of course Hillary, like GWB, is also figuratively tone-deaf. If Democrats only understood “frames” they would understand why Hillary polls well even though it has nothing to do with her.)

36. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 September 2007

This has got to be one of the most sarcastic things I’ve read this week:

I hate Ahmadinejad for all the same reasons you do. For one thing, he
said he wants to “wipe Israel off the map.” Scholars tell us the correct
translation is more along the lines of wanting a change in Israel’s
government toward something more democratic, with less gerrymandering.
What an ass-muncher!

Ahmadinejad also called the holocaust a “myth.” Fuck him! A myth is
something a society uses to frame their understanding of their world, and
act accordingly. It’s not as if the world created a whole new country
because of holocaust guilt and gives it a free pass no matter what it
does. That’s Iranian crazy talk. Ahmadinejad can blow me.

Most insulting is the fact that “myth” implies the holocaust didn’t
happen. Fuck him for saying that! He also says he won’t dispute the
historical claims of European scientists. That is obviously the opposite of
saying the holocaust didn’t happen, which I assume is his way of
confusing me. God-damned fucker.

Ahmadinejad believes his role is to pave the way for the coming of the
Twelfth Imam. That’s a primitive apocalyptic belief! I thank Jesus I do
not live in a country led by a man who believes in that sort of
bullshit. Imagine how dangerous that would be, especially if that man had the
launch codes for nuclear weapons.

The worst of the worst is that Ahmadinejad’s country is helping the
Iraqis kill American soldiers. If Iran ever invades Canada, I think we’d
agree the best course of action for the United States is to be
constructive and let things sort themselves out. Otherwise we’d be just as evil
as the Iranians. Those fuckers.

Those Iranians need to learn from the American example. In this
country, if the clear majority of the public opposes the continuation of a war, our
leaders will tell us we’re terrorist-humping idiots and do whatever they
damn well please. They might even increase our taxes to do it. That’s
called leadership.

If Ahmadinejad thinks he can be our friend by honoring our heroes and
opening a dialog, he underestimates our ability to misinterpret him.
Fucking idiot. I hate him.

The winger comments are priceless … needless to say that the “antisemite” rhetorical grenade is thrown early and often.

37. Saint Shadowthief - 23 September 2007

26. BooHooHooMan – 23 September 2007

DHinMi Illegal campaign contributions
DHinMI kickback scheme with bloggers
DHinMI a close associate of Mr. Moulitsas
Friend, Jerome Armstrong, stock touting peddling DHinMI
DHinMI funneling money to
DHinMI bed / dead woman / live boy

It’s only a matter of time until what’s really happening with Moulitsas and his merry band of pirates comes to light. All it takes is one pissed-off Democratic campaign worker who knows about the “blogging for bucks” scheme to spill the beans, and everything will come out.

Armando knows quite a bit of the truth, but he doesn’t have all the details. That’s why Kos banned Armando, but also why he’s now stating that Armando left voluntarily and is free to return to the site if he wishes. Armando knows too much, but not quite enough. Why do you think Armando is given free reign on Docudrama? That’s Moulitsas’ little gift to him, a Kos franchise for Armando where Armando has five star bully privileges.

When is Jerome Armstrong going to “fully answer” all of the “false allegations” about his stock touting scheme? Oh, that’s right, after he disposes of the SEC charges (which he has done by paying a $30,000 fine). Still waiting for that two-guns-blazing rebuttal his pal Markos promised us.

I once asked Moulitsas if he ever accepted money in return for blogging in direct support of a candidate (other than Howard Dean). His answer (and I’m paraphrasing) was: “I’m NOT a campaign consultant.”

Which is NOT an answer to the question I asked.

And Adam B., co-counsel for Red State and DailyKos before the Federal Election Commission, recently stated that there is nothing in “the public record” that shows that DailyKos acts as a Democratic Party PAC.

Quite lawyerly circumscription: Nothing on the public record. And on the private record?

38. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

If Iran ever invades Canada,

It will be almost as bloody as the time Nicaragua invaded Staten Island back in the 1980s.

The worst of the worst is that Ahmadinejad’s country is helping the Iraqis kill American soldiers.


The Glassboro Summit Conference was a 1967 summit meeting, held during the Cold War, between United States President Lyndon B. Johnson and Soviet Union Premier Aleksei Kosygin.

39. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 September 2007

ummmm, hair club, he was being sarcastic.

40. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 September 2007

The Few, the Proud, the Military’s “Green Card” Soldiers

Here are some facts about the DREAM Act nobody really wants to hear about. The connections with the Pentagon are becoming crystal clear. This is nothing more than a stealthy military recruiting component for the military’s and the chickhawk’s poverty draft. Some many feel I am being a pendejo this legislation would allow many of our undocumented students to regularize their status by serving in the front lines of this country’s illegal and unjust war. Doesn’t anybody see the that as a problem. By supporting this bill and vocally opposing the war, we are nothing more but hypocrites. Last July, Senator Dick Durbin showed his true colors regarding undocumented immigrants. Sure he is vocal against the war, however, he is against sending US born citizens to Iraq, he has no problem sending the “Brown.”

41. aemd - 23 September 2007

Again, Ms Cat, I must disagree. A “strike” will do nothin’. People should vote, in 2008, but leave the top of the ticket blank. Vote down ticket for Governors, Senators (state and US), Reps (state and US), Mayors, Selectman……

Don’t withhold all votes.

If people need to make a statement, vote but leave the top of the ticket “unchecked”.

The Big Boy$ don’t want people to vote. Don’t give in, do the unexpected, fuck the powers that be…

I’m such a broken record…harp..harp..harp… 😀 I’m waggin’ my finger… 😉 LOL

42. lucid - 23 September 2007

OK – so I’m thinking now it wasn’t Fujimori’s grandaughter, but definitely someone from the ruling junta.

D. Throat – I went into complete blackout mode last night while I was sitting contemplating this, so I’m not quite sure how she answered. I just vaguely remember confronting her about Berenson and my bassist trying to calm the waters & get me back inside to play my admittedly bad game of pool…

I’m surprised I was together enough to type out that post [which I don’t remember either].

SV – the diary wasn’t deleted – check Sabrina’s link somewhere around comment 35 or so. It was my very short lived return to Dkos a month or so ago.

43. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 September 2007

Why do people submit to this kind of bullying so easily?

VA Police Delete Photographs Taken by Muslim-American Journalism Student

As she walked on the sidewalk toward her car, she passed the VA hospital, so she tried out her camera, taking pictures of the VA entrance and the flags hanging above it.

“I was there for about five or ten minutes,” says Jukaku, “and I was turning away to leave and a woman in a blue uniform came up to me really fast, and said, ‘You can’t take pictures here,’ in an authoritative, demanding voice. Before I could even get another word in, she said, ‘Give me your camera.’

“I must have said something like, ‘What?’ Because I didn’t even process it, and she said, ‘Give me your camera now!’

“So I gave her my camera, and she was kind of looking at it, and she didn’t know how to work it, and so she said, ‘Set this up so I can look at it.’

“I showed her the playback camera, it’s a digital, and I showed her how to scroll them. She looked at all of them, and then said, ‘Delete these in front of me right now.’

“They were the pictures of the flags and the entrance. At that point, I didn’t think it was a big deal, so I deleted them.

“Then she was asking me why I was taking pictures, and I told her I was taking photographs for my class. So she asked me for my student ID, which I gave to her.”

At that point, says Jukaku, another VA police officer arrived, this one a male.

“He asked for my driver’s license, so I gave him my driver’s license,” she says. “Then they took me inside into a small little office, with a sign on it that said ‘police,’ and they questioned me about what I was doing there and why I was taking pictures.

They photocopied both my student ID and my driver’s license. Then the
male officer asked whether I was a U.S. citizen.”

Jukaku said yes.

“The male officer was telling me it was illegal to photograph federal property, and he also said I couldn’t take pictures of veterans without permission,” says Jukaku, adding that they objected to the fact that there were people in the background of her photos.

Jukaku expressed her own beliefs in a column she wrote for the paper on September 16, entitled, “A question of guarding freedoms.”

“I am only asking to be treated like an American who lives in a country where we are free to practice our religion, free to speak, free to publish our ideas, and certainly free to take pictures in a public place,” she wrote. “This is the America I was raised in, the America I believe in, the America I challenge all of us to invest our hope in.”

Sorry, but it’s NOT that America anymore, if it ever was.

44. BooHooHooMan - 23 September 2007

Marcel Marceau has died.

No Last words apparently.

Sensing an opportunity, Democrats ironically have lined up to pass a resolution condemning “the mute little fucker in makeup”.

45. Miss Devore - 23 September 2007

I wonder if you can make sketches of Federal buildings? Or do paintings?

mattes has a diary at Pff, with clips of some retired air force colonel telling wolf blitzer the war with Iran had already begun. wolf seems to be in a panic:


46. mattes - 23 September 2007
47. Miss Devore - 23 September 2007

41–BHHM–I just commented on MM at pff. we are in sync. I’d been trying to think of something since early this morning.

48. mattes - 23 September 2007

Miss D, you’re too quick for me!

Why isn’t anyone putting the dems on the stop? Because they are complicit.

49. Miss Devore - 23 September 2007

45–well, like a twink, I still use tiny earl.

50. Saint Shadowthief - 23 September 2007

Bad news: Bernard Kouchner makes Rummy look sane by comparison. The current rulers of France are just as batshit crazy as the neocons in charge in Washington, but in their own kook Gallic way.

51. Sabrina Ballerina - 23 September 2007

Marisacat #23 regarding the Iraq War funding jumping for 2008. Bush is going to ask for another $200 billion.

And if the Dems give in to this, what will the bloggers say then? Will MB feel the need to be careful with their ‘readers’?

This is why they get away with it. Whether these people are sincere or not, their way has failed and that’s what counts.

Sorry, MB, it isn’t about bloggers, or whether Arthur Silber is being unfair to SOME of them. He is right. What’s so hard about just telling the truth?

I wonder where they got the idea that they are the keepers of the truth and how it is to be dispensed.

Thank the gods for google. And for the few bloggers who do tell the truth without worrying whether the sensibilities of readers might be offended. Not that I think they will, when you look at the polls. Seems the people are way more in tune with Arthur Silber than with DK.

52. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

ummmm, hair club, he was being sarcastic.

It’s really impossible to tell these days.

53. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

Sorry, but it’s NOT that America anymore, if it ever was.

American as it ever was.


The Espionage Act of 1917 was a United States federal law passed shortly after entering World War I, on June 15, 1917, which made it a crime for a person to convey information with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the armed forces of the United States or to promote the success of its enemies. It was punishable by a maximum $USD 10,000 fine (almost $170,000 in today’s dollars) and 20 years in prison. The legislation was passed at the urging of President Woodrow Wilson, who feared any widespread dissent in time of war, thinking that it constituted a real threat to an American victory.

54. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

And remember, it was the Democrats who passed this.


The Sedition Act of 1918 was an amendment to the Espionage Act of 1917 passed at the urging of President Woodrow Wilson, who was concerned any widespread dissent in time of war constituted a real threat to an American victory. This was an era when “subversive activity” in Russia resulted in the overthrow of the Russian Tsar in 1917, and contributed to the Easter Rising in Ireland in 1916. “Subversive activity” in Great Britain was less successful. The Sedition Act forbade Americans to use “disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language” about the United States government, flag, or armed forces during war. The act also allowed the Postmaster General to deny mail delivery to dissenters of government policy during wartime.

55. marisacat - 23 September 2007


Just let several of Madman’s out of Moderation. They are sprinkled thru up thread…


aemd @ 41

sorry … I think it was not clear, and really I should not have used a piece that is behind a wall.

He is calling for a GENERAL STRIKE on election day, not for a boycott on the vote.

Nor would I call for a boycott on voting. Tho I have no intention of voting for anyone running at the top of the ticket in 08… same thing I did in 96 and 04.

56. mattes - 23 September 2007

Holy cow! Maher the Zionist—Israel worth americian lives!


57. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

Holy cow! Maher the Zionist—Israel worth americian lives!


I saw that. I thought the CIA guy was pretty weak at times. When Maher said “but Israel’s a Democracy” the CIA guy would have been better off saying something like “not for the Palestinians in Gaza it’s not”.

But he let Maher come off as the champion of democracy when he said “Americans don’t care about democracy”.

Nevetheless, a lot of Israel’s supporters must be hearing a drip drip drip somewhere considering the number of people (like Schauer and Adams) who seem to be turning against it.

58. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

Hmm. That “Wake Up from Your Slumber” site wouldn’t be my first choice to use to link the Maher/Schauer debate.

It *is* borderline anti-semitic.

59. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

This is some nasty stuff.


The Holocaust is a dangerous lie The Holocaust is a very dangerous deception. If people — especially those who suffered from World War II — were to realize that the Zionists were instigating and manipulating the world wars, the Nazi movement, and the Nazi “death camps”, it would likely cause tremendous anger towards the Zionists.

Take the “borderline” off of “borderline anti-semitic”.

60. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 September 2007

Maher has a very big blind spot when it comes to Israel.

61. Miss Devore - 23 September 2007


62. D. Throat - 23 September 2007

I think the most disappointing thing about Buhdy is that he is not as intelligent as I thought he was:

Now I am in no way saying that political blogging is dead or a waste of time….What I am saying is that I need to change strategies, shift away from trying to lobby Congress to Impeach or Not Fund.

(A quick note, I do still plan to essay on impeachment…..on holding the criminals responsible, I/we just need a new strategy. I’m working on it!)

Sad pathetic sell outs. They just saw 80 micro blogs create change by insisting on getting the Jena 6 story out… now he is pulling out of the Impeachment debate… LOSERS and LIARS.

63. Miss Devore - 23 September 2007

DunkinDhonuts is like a head shop in the 21st century. Incensed and Peppermints.

political blogging is a waste of time, for the most part. better news, but pretty much resembling the change from LP’s to CD’s. Reloading stuff. I guess it saves gas.

64. Sabrina Ballerina - 23 September 2007

Lol, D. Throat. They missed all of the real action on the smaller blogs. Looks like they’re reading this one though. A General Strike. How many times was that discussed on just this blog a lone? But never on DK and would have been shot down as a ’60s type activism or something.

What they don’t really get is that you have to be passionate personally about issues. You can’t just pretend to be.

People were passionate on DK, about ending the war eg., about Impeachment and they were pushed back, some banned completely.

Those blogs will never change anything. It will be the smaller independent writers who actually inspire people – something of course that they DID understand, which is why inspirational writers, with talent, were not wanted by Kos.

One thing I hope happens with blogs like Pff, is that writers like Arthur Silber and others will get more exposure now. If blogs are to play a role in changing things, they cannot any longer be about who’s career is blossoming or not. Best to just leave DK and their affiliates to whatever it is they do, campaign headquarters.


Re Maher and American lives? Maybe he’d like to sign up. That’s really all I can say to war-mongers at this point. What else can be said? Peace is not an opition?

65. Sabrina Ballerina - 23 September 2007

Miss D, blogging didn’t have to be a waste of time, but I think they succeeded in that goal. At least for now. It probably was their job.

66. marisacat - 23 September 2007

well luckily I always thought blogging, political blogging etc., was just one of many ways to get information out and about.

That is enough for me. Anything else is gravy and will be working in conjunction with outehr efforts.

Hersh makes an interesting observation in the interview I linked to up thread. He has been doing articles for the New Yorker since ’93. It USED TO BE, he says, you had to try ot get the major news services to mention your article, AP, UPI, Reuters, etc.

No more. He said an article of his goes up and instantly there are thousands of hits, and growing.

And Hersh is just one.

All to the good, anything that gets information OUT and ABOUT, as I keep saying.

is there tired repetitious bullshite on the blogs and blahgs. Sure. Does a lot of very good information appear to go into some great cosmic jelly donut and disappear, Yes.

BUT bit by bit. I posted once at Dkos that in the Civil Rights era there was a mantra, each one teach one and now it might be:

each one reach one.

again, good enough for me.

67. Miss Devore - 23 September 2007

64–but at this point it is only a matter of kos replacing carville to elect another clinton.

part of the problem is blogging is too easy. it’s television for people who can write.

68. Miss Devore - 23 September 2007

66 fair enough

69. marisacat - 23 September 2007

I also think of Charles Lewis at Center for Public Integrity. That is the site that was passed a set of “working papers” for Patriot II… I guess almost two years ago now.

I caught him in interview on Csoan last year, wtih Lamb.

One, there was NO DEBATE over going online iwth the dox, they simply did it. Then he said, it just took off like wildfire. Rather quickly, at one point, there were 375,000 online reading downloading sending the dox.

It almost crashed their site.

Anything that gets the word out is good. I have so much more information now than I could get 20 years ago. I had to wait for the books then, or tie tiny dots together from snips in interview or an op/ed recollection of some incident.

Now, I get so much.

The blogs for me are not about some pathetic woman named Elise, plenty of her type in RL, meatspace, whatever the corporeal world is called… she is bound to be online as well… with her breasts. Just a cog in the choke point.

Such an old story.

70. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 September 2007

Why Can’t the U.S. Have the Debate about Naomi Klein’s Book That Europe Has?

Frel: Do you think that it’s because in the States, there isn’t really any debate about alternatives to our economic system in any form? In Europe, where your book has already been released, there is at least the residue of a public debate that is willing to debate fundamental questions on economic systems and the social contract.

Klein: In most parts of the world, it’s easier to even identify the radical policies of capitalism as contested territory, as something to debate. Whereas in the United States, these policies are the air we breathe; they are invisible almost because they are so hegemonic. For example, when I talk about privatization in Canada, people understand what that means — it’s about the drive to privatize our healthcare system and our education system, and there is a very clear grasp in the public mind about what the public sphere actually is. People understand there that this is something to defend against — that there is something to privatize, while in the U.S., the agenda to privatize has succeeded so fully that these ideas seem more abstract because the idea of the public sphere is almost abstract.

When I’m talking about these ideas in France or the U.K., people know what “public” is. There are large parts of their life that exist within a nonmarket space.

71. mattes - 23 September 2007

Hair club–missed that. Was not a good choice to link to. Sometimes I follow links and get there, but now I can see I should not use them for a link.

72. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

Stan Goff manages to sum up American politics in two sentences.


I’ve always said that three P’s will make the Democratic Party nervous as the sheep of Wellington: patriarchy, Palestine, and prison. These are the issues they don’t want to acknowledge because their complicity on all counts is so intractibly deep.

73. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

Hair club–missed that. Was not a good choice to link to. Sometimes I follow links and get there, but now I can see I should not use them for a link.

It seems to me there are three (maybe 4) views on Palestine in the USA.

1.) Israel is always right and the Palestinians are subhuman. The “US and Israel are fighting the same war on terror”. “We” should admit no daylight between Israel and the USA in terms of interestes. All critics of Israel are anti-semitic. This is the view of LGF, Kahane, Avigdor Lieberman, Giuliani, Kos, etc. OK, maybe not Kos.

2.) Whatever the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is morally, supporting Israel hurts American interests and we should stop. It’s not about American imperialism. It’s about the zionist lobby controlling American foreign policy. This is the view of Justin Raimondo, Walt and Mersheimer, and, it seems, Michael Schauer. It’s also the view of a lot of neo nazis/anti-semites.

3.) Israel is a tool of American imperialism. It means nothing in and of itself. The Palestinians are a bit like those natives who used to live on Diego Garcia. They’re just in the way of the Pentagon and need to be cleared out. This would be Chomsky and Chalmers Johnson.

and the “mainstream” view that everybody claims to have

4.) Some type of deal needs to be worked out between the Israelis and Palestinians and the US/UN/EU needs to play a positive role in arranging it. This is the most problematic view of all since it emcompasses everybody from Bush to people on the left and has been completely corrupted by Israeli propaganda and played as a cover for the ongoing ethnic cleansing/oppression.

#3 would require a Marxist revolution in the USA

#2 would leave an out of control nuclear Serbia thrashing around in the Eastern Mediterranean.

#4 can’t happen because the USA/UN/EU isn’t an honest broker

That leaves door number

#1 the most likely outcome

74. Marie - 23 September 2007

MitM #28 – thanks for posting Zucky’s piece. Wonderful.

Bob nails Hill Couldn’t be bothered to look at more than the first ten comments. (People need to learn to use the “rec button” more and not always feel the need to add his or her own two cents. It’s not as if there are hundreds of unique interpretions or things that need to be added to what Bob said. (The last time I sparred with Bob a couple of weeks ago, he was arguing some tiny point which is about any of us that aren’t affiliated with any of the candidates seem able to do these days short of screaming at all the DEM idiots who believe there is a meaningful difference among the candidates or anything substantial will change when anyone of them is elected.)

75. Marie - 23 September 2007

HC – #73 – Israel just may get its chance in the near future. I project that both the US and Israel with get our butts kicked in the final outcome, but it will be bloody, ugly and look as if we’re winning in the short run. Long enough for another photo-op like GWB riding a fighter jet onto the deck of an aircraft carrier and prancing around.

76. Marie - 23 September 2007

Silber nails all of us, including Hillary and unlke Bob, bet he didn’t even have to subject himself to watching Face the Nation this morning.

(Oh, and Bob called all the dkossians candidate shills “fuckwads” and a few other things.)

77. mattes - 23 September 2007

Personally, I think China/Russia are going to get tired of the games in the middle east to our demise.

HC….I am somewhere between 2, 3 and 4.

And I think, failure to resolute the problem has inflamed the world.

From an old diary:

Is Israel promoting US attack on Iran, hopefully Iran will quickly get out of the crosshairs:

The public in Israel is expecting an aerial assault that will wipe out Iran’s nuclear facilities and put an end to the apocalyptic threats of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

When the pilots who participated in the assault on the Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981 were questioned late last week on the possibility of a similar operation against Iran, the media carried assessments that Olmert and Bush will hold a joint planning session and coordinate a date for an attack.

A bellicose Israel sounds logical; but the U.S. has different considerations, commitments and timetables. It is now trying out a complex and long-winded diplomatic approach that will most likely lead it to a direct dialogue with Iran.
The U.S. will emphasize the prime minister’s commitment to a two-state solution, and will explain that a unilateral withdrawal is not likely at this time.



Hawkish Israeli party to join Olmert’s coalition
Far-right leader to take charge of dealing with ‘strategic threats’

(10-24) 04:00 PDT Jerusalem — Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert moved Monday to shore up his unpopular center-left coalition by adding a far-right party whose leader has advocated annexing parts of the occupied West Bank.

Avigdor Lieberman, head of the hawkish Yisrael Beiteinu party, announced the deal after meeting with Olmert. “We are joining the government,” he said.

Olmert said Lieberman will be given the rank of deputy prime minister and be put in charge of dealing with “strategic threats” to Israel, including Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

Some things just don’t change.

78. Marie - 23 September 2007

oops sorry (#76) Bob didn’t call anybody a “fuckwad”

his diary should be deleted? Sez you?

Whatever. I reported on what I saw. Sorry if you don’t like it.

Grow the fuck up. You needledicks who can’t take any criticism of your preferred candidate (and that goes for followers of any candidate) are tiresome.

Tough fucking shit, asshole.

Occasionally, guess I should be more precise. (Sorry to quote Bob whan I know that there’s some bad blood between him and some of he “vipes” here. He can be a real jerk; but unlike MB doesn’t slink away when I hit him over the head with a rhetorical two by four.)

79. Marie - 23 September 2007

mattes #77 – not sure Haaretz fully understands Bush/Cheney and the Neo-cons. They don’t do diplomacy except as a means to get more war on. My take is that Israel will be tasked with Syria and Lebanon and leave Iraq to the US.

80. mattes - 23 September 2007

Marie I was digging in my old diaries and found this. The link to the original story does not work anymore:

Aside from that brief reference, however, the Times made no mention of the role that money, or lobbying in general, may have played in the lopsided vote. More specifically, the Times made no mention of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. It’s a remarkable oversight. AIPAC is widely regarded as the most powerful foreign-policy lobby in Washington. Its 60,000 members shower millions of dollars on hundreds of members of Congress on both sides of the aisle. It also maintains a network of wealthy and influential citizens around the country, whom it can regularly mobilize to support its main goal, which is making sure there is “no daylight” between the policies of Israel and of the United States.

So, when Congress votes so decisively in support of Israel, it’s no accident. Yet, surveying US newspaper coverage of the Middle East in recent months, I found next to nothing about AIPAC and its influence. The one account of any substance appeared in the Washington Post, in late April. Reporting on AIPAC’s annual conference, correspondent Mike Allen noted that the attendees included half the Senate, ninety members of the House and thirteen senior Administration officials, including White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, who drew a standing ovation when he declared in Hebrew, “The people of Israel live.” Showing its “clout,” Allen wrote, AIPAC held “a lively roll call of the hundreds of dignitaries, with individual cheers for each.” Even this article, however, failed to probe beneath the surface and examine the lobbying and fundraising techniques AIPAC uses to lock up support in Congress.

AIPAC is not the only pro-Israel organization to escape scrutiny. The Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, though little known to the general public, has tremendous influence in Washington, especially with the executive branch. Based in New York, the conference is supposed to give voice to the fifty-two Jewish organizations that sit on its board, but in reality it tends to reflect the views of its executive vice chairman, Malcolm Hoenlein. Hoenlein has long had close ties to Israel’s Likud Party. In the 1990s he helped raise money for settlers’ groups on the West Bank, and today he regularly refers to that region as “Judea and Samaria,” a biblically inspired catch phrase used by conservatives to justify the presence of Jewish settlers there. A skilled and articulate operative, Hoenlein uses his access to the State Department, Pentagon and National Security Council to push for a strong Israel. He’s so effective at it that the Jewish newspaper the Forward, in its annual list of the fifty most important American Jews, has ranked Hoenlein first.

Tags: Palestine, Israel, AIPAC

Also Amanpour in her series named some big money-Jewish New Yorkers that support the settlements and American politics. She got alot of flack for the series.

81. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

Personally, I think China/Russia are going to get tired of the games in the middle east to our demise.

But that in a way is the point.

What the USA is afraid of is Iran acting like Venezuala. It’s not the religious fanaticism or anti-semitism of the Iranian government that offends the US ruling class.

Ever hear of a place called Saudi Arabia?

It’s the fact that the Iranians, theocratic government though they may have, are closer to Venezuala than Saudi Arabia. If they survive as a regional power, then they start selling oil to the Chinese. The Iraqi shiite state does the same. And this threatens the entire US model of development in the region.

In other words, the American ruling class is fucked.

The Israelis, of course, want to be the unchallenged regional power in the Middle East. A “Shiite Crescent” threatens that.

82. Saint Shadowthief - 23 September 2007

Israel will not attack Iran.

Marie is correct: Israel is tasked with Syria and Lebanon.

US Special Forces are already operating inside Iran, and have been for over a year.

The Iranians are being very artful–even sending their President to the United States to show that he is not a frothing-at-the-mouth lunatic–but I still think it will avail them nothing.

Cheney has gambled everything on attacking Iran. It was the goal all along. For him to stop short now, when he has never stopped short of doing anything else, is illogical.

On the other hand, if Cheney judges that attacking Iran jeopardises access to the $8 trillion in oil laying beneath the surface of Iraq, then those three aircraft carrier battle groups parked off the coast of Iran are just sabre-rattling, or at the most an attempt to provoke the Iranians to strike at an all-too-tempting target.

If I am correct, and Cheney is still running things, then Phase Two of the war with Iran will unfold within the next six months.

83. marisacat - 23 September 2007

Sorry to quote Bob whan I know that there’s some bad blood between him and some of he “vipes” here — Marie

quote whomever you like Marie.

AFAIAC, the problem with Bob is that he became the ever present all around assist and jokester in residence for the thugs as of around the debacle of the 04 election.

He appeared to volunteer for the job and he beats up on whomever they point to. His psecialty is to run long sub threads of sometimes highly personalised ridicule and to run long sub threads of nonsense joking iwth minions.

It seems unbelievable petty, loathesome and entirely by choice. Imagine, he is the father of teenaged, probably by now appraoching college, aged daughters.

Oh well. Some people just sink to their own level on whatever day the right offer is made, I guess.

84. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

This right wing protest at Columbia tomorrow could be fun.

There will be a lot of Lubovicher right wing orthodox types who all have good ins with Sheldon Silver/Rudy Guliani. The NYPD will be sympathetic.

Broadway up there is pretty narrow.

So either the right wingers get onto the campus of Columbia (which has banned all political protest for what, 10 years now) or that snarl upper Broadway and force the NYPD to clear them out.

Hmm. A lot of right-wingers just might see the side of the NYPD that we their political opponents have been seeing for awhile now.

85. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 September 2007

#81 HCfM …

that’s about it, far as I can tell.

86. Saint Shadowthief - 23 September 2007

Well, the Iraqis were going to start selling their oil priced to the Euro instead of the US dollar before the US invaded and occupied that country in 2003.

The Iranians have already challenged the dominance of the US dollar in determining international exchanges. In August 2007, Japan started paying for Iranian oil in yen, rather than dollars. Russia, which sells Continental Europe 30% of its energy, is demanding that the trade be done in rubles rather than dollars or Euros.

Here’s why Iran is the next target:

Iran, a major oil exporter, for example, announced that it is seriously considering pricing all its oil exports in Euros and Yen. Kuwait, on the other hand, has reacted by taking the step to abandon pegging its currency just to the dollar and pegged it instead to a basket of currencies. To date, Iran’s lead has not however, been seriously followed by any other OPEC states – yet. However, who knows this may become an increasingly popular option if the dollar remains so weak for a very long time.


87. marisacat - 23 September 2007

A crazed supporter of the hard core settlement movemnt is Cam Kerry. Brother of the bozo who ran 3 years ago…

Kerry of 04 hs been flown to the Masada at dawn, to declare his fealty. I have posted links in the past to his speech given at the site.

summer of 04 he/Cam ws in Israel, marching with hard core settlers. Reported all thru the Israeli press, easy to find I am sure.

88. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 September 2007

FBI eyes anti-Jena 6, pro-white supremacy website

FBI spokespersons said this weekend they are reviewing a white supremacist website which lists addresses said to belong to five of the six black teens accused of beating a white student in Jena, Louisiana.

The site “essentially called for their lynching,” according to one agency spokeswoman on Saturday. (Link to) from AP item:

89. CSTAR - 23 September 2007

Re #79 Marie

Do you mean the US will be tasked with Iran? We’re already on the hook for Iraq.

90. Marie - 23 September 2007

mattes #80 – thanks for pulling that old diary up. I couldn’t help but sort of laugh at the image of all those Congressional DEMs giving Card a standing ovation and comparing it to the reception Card got a few months ago at the college graduation (sorry, can’t recall the college). With their buttons, signs and banners. Still think that was one of the best organized protests I’ve seen in a while. In your face but not threatening. Clear message and humilitating for Card. Ultimately not important except for showing others how to put together an effective protest.

On Iran – of course Cheney wants Iran to shoot first. Always much easier to justify an pre-emptive strike as retalitory. But Iran isn’t going to cooperate with Cheney’s delusion any better than Saddam did. Russia and China are playing this one close to the vest. Neither wants to engage in a shooting/shouting match with US. Nor do they want to give the appearance that they’re allied against us. Iran’s oil is important to the world market but there’s far more of it in Iraq which we now sort of control – mostly keeping it off the market with little chance that that will change in the near future. Of course all the other oil producing nations will benefit if we take on Iran.

Russia and China can just squeeze and slowing yank on a noose around our necks and any of our vulnerable allies. My guess is that Germany would be more vulnerable than France which could explain why Merkel isn’t out there with Sarkozy and his loony Dick Cheney. One would think that someone like Sarkozy would have taken a lesson from Blair that getting in bed with GWB gives one cooties.

Marisa – re: Bob. Not sure how embedded he became; so hard to resist being invited to join the kool kidz or resist being sucked into it. These days he seems pretty independent from them, but who knows anymore what alliances exist behind he scenes. I just take what I like and ignore the rest until the rest becomes too horrible to ignore. The same strategy I’m using with Paul Craig Roberts and to some extent the more perceptive bloggers who lean libertaraian. It’s always something of a strange bedfellows thing when it comes to public policy and politics.

91. Marie - 23 September 2007

CSTAR #89 – yes, Iran is ours. Iraq we’ve already got and have no idea what the fuck to do with it. Echoes of Nixon with Vietnam. Once they closed off the option of “we’re out of here” and/or persist in believing “there must be a victory pony underneath this pile of shit,” expanding the war looks like a cool idea. Includes the bizarre notion that a victory in the new territory will translate into one in the current quagmire. That was the “insight” I had that led me to write the piece on why I think Iran is now more than on the table.

92. Saint Shadowthief - 23 September 2007

Marie–the proper way to understand Cheney’s approach to Iran is this: He has gone three-quarters of the way through a very dark tunnel. Everybody is shouting for him to turn round and go back, but in Cheney’s mind, it’s less bother to go all the way to the end than to retreat.

It makes sense if you share Cheney’s belief that we are three-quarters of the way through the tunnel. Actually, we are only one-tenth of the way through, and as bad as things are now, attacking Iran will make them far worse.

As for Russia and China: it is clear that they are attempting to re-position their own currencies so that they have a chance of supplanting the US dollar as the international means of exchange. However, what seems more likely to emerge in the coming decade is a multilateral system in which nations structure their exchanges to trade goods in whatever currency is most favourable to their circumstances: Chinese yuan, Russian yen, European Union euros, British pound, Japanese yen, what have you. Bush and Cheney will go down in history as having achieved what none of America’s enemies ever managed: the demolition of the United States not only as a global military power, but also as a dominant global economic power. The United States is going to get a very large slice of humble pie very soon when people wake up to the reality of what’s been done.

As for Sarkozy and Kouchner: you’d think the French would’ve learned at least one thing from the English about putting your country’s foreign policy into the hands of the likes of Georgie and Dick. But like Blair and Straw (the Foreign Secretary from ’01 to ’06) before them, Nicky and Bernie are going to trust in their American Big Brother.

Qui se ressemble s’assemble. Authoritarians are drawn to other authoritarians, walking disasters to other disasters. At least Bush and Cheney can comfort themselves with the knowledge they are not pikers who have ruined only one country, but several, and with more to come. How many leaders in history can say that?

93. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

Wow. Half the posts at LGF are call out posts about Kos diaires.

They really are sister sites in so many ways.

Hunter: Mr. Johnson. Here’s a list of the diaries we plan to front page.

Charles Johnson: There better not be an I/P debates.

Hunter: No sir. As per your instructions we’ve banned I/P debates.

Charles Johnson: Good

Hunter: But, uh, um, sir. I don’t want to be uppity but would it be OK if I allow some defense of Moveon.

Charles Johnson: Sure. We own them too I think. I’ll contact Simon Rosenberg and make sure.

Hunter: Oh thank you sir. Thank you. I can’t believe how generous you can be sometimes.

94. BooHooHooMan - 23 September 2007

NYT Piece On tip of DOD Graft and Corruption mentions aide de camp Suicides for some …


Centers on a mid level guy~ a Major…. one John Lee Cockerham and it ties in with the dominionist in uniform…apologies if someone already gave notice….Betrayus isn’t the word for these Criminals in Dress Blues. Thing is this guys chump change to whats really going on. The whack job Michigan heir who went SF then founded Blackwater…. We are setting up a Samurai culture. Buhdy can blog it:

On the fourth Sunday in July, John Lee Cockerham was here in his hometown for the baptism of his twin sons…….{snip}

Less than 24 hours later Major Cockerham was behind bars, accused of orchestrating the largest single bribery scheme against the military since the start of the Iraq war. According to the authorities, the 41-year-old officer, with his wife and a sister, used an elaborate network of offshore bank accounts and safe deposit boxes to hide nearly $10 million in bribes from companies seeking military contracts.

The accusations against Major Cockerham are tied to a crisis of corruption inside the behemoth bureaucracy that sustains America’s troops. Pentagon officials are investigating some $6 billion in military contracts, most covering supplies as varied as bottled water, tents and latrines for troops in Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan.


Although a Justice Department official said it was too early to know if the suspects in the corruption investigation operated independently or in a network, public records indicate that several served overlapping tours. At least two officers who worked at Camp Arifjan when Major Cockerham was there committed suicide after learning they would face bribery charges. One, Maj. Gloria D. Davis of Missouri, shot herself in December 2006, a day after admitting she took at least $225,000 in bribes, government officials said.


At church services in Castor on Sept. 9, Mrs. Egans told congregants of New Friendship Baptist Church that she had gotten a letter from Major Cockerham, who is in custody in a federal prison in San Antonio, Tex., with his wife. (Their children are staying with Melissa Cockerham’s relatives in Kentucky.) He wrote that his wife was busy with a new singing ministry for the other women in the prison and that he had preached two sermons to the men.

He thanked Mrs. Egans for reading the names of his sons when they were baptized, just as she had done at his own baptism more than 30 years earlier. He offered no explanation of the charges against him, nor did he express any sadness.

“We are at such peace, with such zeal for the Lord,” Major Cockerham wrote, “that we know this is exactly where we are supposed to be for this short time.”

95. Revisionist - 23 September 2007

Half the posts at LGF are call out posts about Kos diaires

the same could be said for mcats.. just saying.

96. Hair Club for Men - 23 September 2007

the same could be said for mcats.. just saying.

True but there’s a difference.

Mcat’s are “I don’t believe how much Kos sucks”.

LGF’s are “hmm. Kos seems to be forgetting to keep the 9/11 truthers or I/P types off his site. I’m highly disappointed in him. I thought he was a responsible leftist”.

97. Revisionist - 23 September 2007

that is a lot of FP posts tho. for another blog

98. Revisionist - 23 September 2007

the thing on hillbillys on history is kind of cool. a good deal of it is about the coal industries and unionization.

99. BooHooHooMan - 23 September 2007

This is a few weeks old DP inside baseball : I’m not from Florida not even DP anymore, but somebody please splain it to me: why would the DNC fuck off the state apparatus like they’re doing over FLA’s desire to move the date up?? How alienating…Are they all three time losers at the bar??

The only thing I can figure is preventing an embarrassment to Hillary if one of the boys did well . ….

100. BooHooHooMan - 23 September 2007

What the hell do I know though?…I’m still thinking of
running for Congress on a Free Ass Lube and Cigarettes Platform.
And I’m not even into it. I just think it’ll sell.
Christ I’m halfway there…..

101. Revisionist - 23 September 2007


Its because florida is one of the real states. why will anyone give a fuck about a handful of hicks in iowa when florida is in two weeks. states voting later could see what florida thought. not that i care what the fuck florida thinks either but more people are more apt to follow floridas lead than iowas. or that new hampshire place.

the candidates already have all their money in iowa. or hampshire. plans have been made.

media coverage. iowa in winter? miami? hampsire in winter? miami?

102. Saint Shadowthief - 23 September 2007

Not to be dissuaded by reality, the Cheneyists press on towards Phase Two of the war against Iran:

US says Iran smuggling missiles to Iraq

By SAMEER N. YACOUB, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 10 minutes ago

The U.S. military accused Iran on Sunday of smuggling surface-to-air missiles and other advanced weapons into Iraq for use against American troops. The new allegations came as Iraqi leaders condemned the latest U.S. detention of an Iranian in northern Iraq, saying the man was in their country on official business.

Military spokesman Rear Adm. Mark Fox said U.S. troops were continuing to find Iranian-supplied weaponry including the Misagh 1, a portable surface-to-air missile that uses an infrared guidance system.

Other advanced Iranian weaponry found in Iraq includes the RPG-29 rocket-propelled grenade, 240 mm rockets and armor-piercing roadside bombs known as explosively formed penetrators, or EFPs, Fox said.

An American soldier was killed Saturday and another wounded when an EFP hit their patrol in eastern Baghdad, the military said.

Iran has denied U.S. allegations that it is smuggling weapons to Shiite militias in Iraq, a denial that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad reiterated in an interview with CBS’ “60 Minutes” aired Sunday.

“We don’t need to do that. We are very much opposed to war and insecurity,” said Ahmadinejad, who arrived in New York Sunday to attend the U.N. General Assembly. “The insecurity in Iraq is detrimental to our interests.”

Tensions between Iran and the United States have worried Iraqi officials — many of whom are members of political parties with close ties to Tehran.

A 240 mm rocket was fired this month at the main U.S. headquarters base in Iraq, killing one person and wounding 11.

U.S. officials said the rocket was fired from a west Baghdad neighborhood controlled by Shiite militiamen.

On Thursday, U.S. troops arrested an Iranian in the Kurdish city of Sulaimaniyah. U.S. officials said he was a member of the elite Quds force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards that smuggles weapons into Iraq.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki condemned the Iranian’s arrest, saying he understood the man, who has been identified as Mahmudi Farhadi, had been invited to Iraq.

“The government of Iraq is an elected one and sovereign. When it gives a visa, it is responsible for the visa,” he told The Associated Press in an interview in New York. “We consider the arrest … of this individual who holds an Iraqi visa and a (valid) passport to be unacceptable.”

Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, a Kurd, also demanded the Iranian’s release.

The U.S. military said the suspect was being questioned about “his knowledge of, and involvement in,” the transportation of EFPs and other roadside bombs from Iran into Iraq and “his facilitation of travel and training in Iran for Iraqi insurgents.” The military said no decision had been made about whether to file charges.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini said Farhadi was in charge of border transactions in western Iran and went to Iraq on an official invitation.


103. marisacat - 23 September 2007

Sorry! Just let Shdowthief at @ 92

out of moderation (think it was a reply to Marie)…

104. marisacat - 23 September 2007

Sorry! Found BooHooHooMan in SPam…

now comment @ 94

105. marisacat - 23 September 2007

We are setting up a Samurai culture — BHHM

ain’t it the truth. Very clearly we are.

AND Cockerham and his wif are in federal prison. Colson will see that things go well for them. Perhaps already is, isn’t it nice they serve time at the same prison. So homey.

Oh yes yes yes, land of the free and home of the brave.


106. marisacat - 23 September 2007

SEIU taking security guards out on strike as of tomorrow, in SF.

107. marisacat - 23 September 2007

Counterpunch has a round up piece on how Mass Health care from Romney looks, a year or two on.

NOt good would be the grade:

While the middle class sinks, the health reform law has buoyed our state’s wealthiest health institutions. Hospitals like Massachusetts General are reporting record profits and enjoying rate increases tucked into the reform package. Blue Cross and other insurers that lobbied hard for the law stand to gain billions from the reform, which shrinks their contribution to the state’s free care pool and will force hundreds of thousands to purchase their defective products.

Meanwhile, new rules for the free care pool will drastically cut funding for the hundreds of thousands who remain uninsured, and for the safety-net hospitals and clinics that care for them. (Disclosure–we’ve practiced for the past 25 years at a public hospital that is currently undergoing massive budget cuts.)

Health reform built on private insurance isn’t working and can’t work; it costs too much and delivers too little.

At present, bureaucracy consumes 31 percent of each healthcare dollar. The Connector–the new state agency created to broker coverage under the reform law–is adding another 4.5 percent to the already sky-high overhead charged by private insurers.

Administrative costs at Blue Cross are nearly five times higher than Medicare’s and 11 times those in Canada’s single payer system. Single payer reform could save $7.7 billion annually on paperwork and insurance profits in Massachusetts, enough to cover all of the uninsured and to upgrade coverage for the rest of us.

108. Saint Shadowthief - 24 September 2007

Krugman sums up the Jena Six case and expands it into a cogent discussion of “conservatism” (really right-wing politics) very well in Monday’s New York Times:

Southern white exceptionalism is about race, much more than it is about moral values, religion, support for the military or other explanations sometimes offered. There’s a large statistical literature on the subject, whose conclusion is summed up by the political scientist Thomas F. Schaller in his book “Whistling Past Dixie”:

“Despite the best efforts of Republican spinmeisters to depict American conservatism as a nonracial phenomenon, the partisan impact of racial attitudes in the South is stronger today than in the past.”

Republican politicians, who understand quite well that the G.O.P.’s national success since the 1970s owes everything to the partisan switch of Southern whites, have tacitly acknowledged this reality. Since the days of Gerald Ford, just about every Republican presidential campaign has included some symbolic gesture of approval for good old-fashioned racism.

Thus Ronald Reagan, who began his political career by campaigning against California’s Fair Housing Act, started his 1980 campaign with a speech supporting states’ rights delivered just outside Philadelphia, Miss., where three civil rights workers were murdered. In 2000, Mr. Bush made a pilgrimage to Bob Jones University, famed at the time for its ban on interracial dating.

And all four leading Republican candidates for the 2008 nomination have turned down an invitation to a debate on minority issues scheduled to air on PBS this week.

Of course the GOP have, as Krugman points out, built a trap for themselves with their racially divisive politics, since the need to appeal to their base of racist whites prevents the Republicans from corraling Latino and Asian voters:

both Hispanics and Asians, another growing force in the electorate, are getting the message. Last year they voted overwhelmingly Democratic, by 69 percent and 62 percent respectively.

However, the Democrats will take the votes of so-called “minority” groups (everybody’s a minority in states like California, actually), but they won’t do anything in return. That’s “special interest group” politics, as that mouthpiece for the NDN, Il Kosolini, would sneer–and so an opportunity to forge a new progressive consensus is either deliberately or recklessly squandered as Democrats fecklessly and futilely pursue the vote of the Great White Bubba…who will, he promises, give the Democrats his cherished vote if only they will press their Gucci-clad feet just a little harder on the necks of those uppity “coloured” folk, the emmygrints, and of course that most dread of all groups, GWWTGM (Gays Who Want To Get Married).

But Bubba never can quite bring himself to vote Democratic. I mean, after all, why should he? He gets the Republicans and Democrats to fight over who’s going to push the uppity minorities around more just by playing coy, AND he gets genuine Republican politicians in office, instead of Republican-lite Democrats who might not really be trustworthy when it comes lynching time.

And Bubba, of course, is everywhere. Bubba is not just confined to the Deep South, although he is most comfortable there: Bubba lives in California, in New York, in Minnesota, wherever white people wear khakis and plaid and watch re-runs of “Home Improvement”.

109. Marie - 24 September 2007

Couple of good videos:

Had Enough

Angry American

110. JJB - 24 September 2007

MCat, no. 83,

W/r/t Bob Johnson, I used to have a congenial relationship with him over at dKos, complimenting each other’s posts, rating up each other’s comments, etc. Then suddenly one day this ended, all stopped from his end. This was right around the time I realized that I’d gotten on Armando’s bad side. You don’t have to be a genius to figure out the cause/effect aspects of what happened.

111. outofwater - 24 September 2007

I’ve been away for a while. Did DH get a job?

Also, it seems that there has been a rapid decline in the quality of diaries at DK lately. Not only are their fewer of them, there are fewer comments as well, and the content of each is lacking. Is that just wishful thinking, or is it real?

112. Miss Devore - 24 September 2007

111-I thought it was funny when they announced sunday’s “features” on friday, and then referred to sundays features today.

113. lucid - 24 September 2007

#2 would leave an out of control nuclear Serbia thrashing around in the Eastern Mediterranean.

HC – I don’t mean to be a pain in the ass, but I really do tire of the Serbia=bad equation. The history of the civil war in Yugoslavia is so much more complicated than that and was largely the fault of western multinationals, rather than a democratically elected Serb who simply tried to keep his country together in the face of multinational pressure to privatize everything…

Anyhow, spent a pleasant evening at a show & out boozing with SV & her Slovenian friends. Had a great time [and my liver is so grateful this morning]… Contrary to the absurd blog legend repeated as mantra accross the BBB’s, SV is actually quite nice.

114. colleen - 24 September 2007

I’ve been away for a while. Did DH get a job?

He got a bit carried away spouting republican talking points/oppo research and launched a homophobic attack on the guy who became the chair of the NH Democratic party. So he lost his job:)

The quality of diaries on DK has been eroding (IMHO) for several years now. It’s what happens when, due to their goal of creating a nation of partisan Democratic dittoheads, they ban anyone capable of critical reasoning.

115. Ezekiel - 24 September 2007

What a world we live in.

Next week, I have two Pakistani families arriving here. One is coming from Pakistan and fleeing the insanity there. (Last week, they were told to keep their oldest child home from school because of all the bombings.) The other is coming from the west coast of the U. S. and showing some serious smarts to get out before life for Muslims in the States becomes unbearable.

And they’re both using the services of a U. S. exile.

And the Pakistan Pakistanis had to be processed through Teheran (the way it’s spelled here) because we have no embassy in Islamabad.

With all the turmoil and the resulting business, I’ve been too busy to even keep reading all the threads here much less comment. Plus we’re making a move to a new place that we’ve been looking forward to for a while.

But tonight, I am taking a little time and catching up. Enjoying some of my favorite Bonnie Raitt tunes. And just mellowing before the next stretch.

Has anyone heard from our Arizona friend?

116. Ezekiel - 24 September 2007

One other thing.

A friend and business associate who is a very successful businessman here is taking a New Year’s trip to NYC with his wife. He’s asked me to help him prove to the U. S. Embassy here that he’s not traveling to become an illegal in the country where the streets are paved with gold. Their website laying out the process for getting a visa is so incredibly obnoxious.

It’s true that in the early 90s, people were fleeing a war here, but these days, anyone with any sense is headed here not there.

117. lucid - 24 September 2007

Speaking of missing persons, has anyone heard from jam.fuse? He hasn’t commented in quite a while.

118. Miss Devore - 24 September 2007

117–he commented at pff today.

119. Ezekiel - 24 September 2007

Who has this guy been reading?

<40 comments. Opportunity for fun.

120. Revisionist - 24 September 2007

Got to pin that war on the republicans

121. Ezekiel - 24 September 2007

The funny thing is the Kos may really believe that it’s all about (meaning he can benefit from) Democrats winning.

122. D. Throat - 24 September 2007

Funny how this does NOT get a “concerned troll” tag:

Global Warming should not be our priority
by kclala
Mon Sep 24, 2007 at 10:28:18 AM PDT

There, I said it: Global Warming and all of its devastating effects on our planet and its people should not be our priority. Care to go deeper into this?


* kclala’s diary :: ::

I’ll take this off the table. I am horribly aware of the potential poisoning of the planet. The ice cubes in our collective cocktails are melting quickly, and it will be up to us to do something about it. And I personally am willing to do whatever it takes individually and as a society to help. However, as a movement, we need to think about our strategy here. What does it boil down to? (sorry for the bad pun!) Change will happen through elections. And THAT should be our focus.

123. Sabrina Ballerina - 24 September 2007

Hi Ezekiel sounds like you’re pretty busy – I would not want to be a Muslim in this country today either.

A lot of us thought that Democrats winning might be the solution. But long before the last election, it became obvious after so many of their votes, ie The MCA, eg, all the war votes etc. that it really would not make a difference.

Kos works for the Party. Most of us believe the Party works for us. The Party prefers Kos. And that is the problem. Neither party cares what the people think. As long as they have collaborators like DK why would they need to listen to anyone else?

124. Ezekiel - 24 September 2007


I worked in every way I knew possible in ’04 to help the Dems because things had moved from serious to critical, but all I–and I think many of those who populate this blog–received was the cold shoulder.

Their response: Don’t want, don’t need your help. Embarrassed by your efforts. Shut your fucking pie hole.

But donate.

Orwell was quite prescient in many ways, but he did not see how the illusion of democracy could be maintained right until the end.

125. marisacat - 24 September 2007


I just saw a bit of prose from jam.fuse at PFF.

so he is around. 😉



glad to see you!

no word from Tuston. I am going to try to find his parents, if I can. they had a business in the area and a ranch, just N of the border…

Also, according to the press here, after being depressed for several years, they say immigration from the ME is up.

I would not come here myself… but who knows.

126. BooHooHooMan - 24 September 2007


Clue.–Adam B dead girl, live boy Bonin– I. Could. Givva. Shit. about your article on defamation and bloggers. Here’s the wilted salad linky before the beef:

Boner on kos:(Skipping ahead to the net link is adviseable though)

Here’s the beef:
Blogging away all day on firm resources. HaHaHa

Adam B, Defender of Del Dem. Law firm is sued for Gender Dicrimination. Happens everyday right? no surprise? READ……


Cozen O’Connor has been hit with a sex discrimination suit by a female lawyer who claims she was ousted from the firm in September 2005, less than a month after she filed a formal complaint of gender discrimination with the firm’s director of human resources.

In the suit, attorney Patricia Biswanger claims that when her political activities in Haverford Township became controversial, Cozen O’Connor employed a double standard by prohibiting her from using any “firm resources” for political work, while having no objection to the political activities of male attorneys.

But the suit alleges that starting in late 2004 and continuing throughout 2005, attorney Kevin Berry, who was chairman of the firm’s commercial litigation department “embarked on a campaign of harassment” against Biswanger.

Berry did so, the suit alleges, “at the direction of Patrick J. O’Connor, then chief executive officer of the firm, and perhaps Stephen Cozen.”

The harassment, the suit claims, “arose from their shared belief that it is inappropriate and unseemly for female attorneys to be politically active, especially in controversial matters.”

Cozen, Berry and O’Connor, the suit alleges, “perceived politically active women as aggressive, overbearing, and unattractive, and therefore a detriment to the firm.”

By contrast, the suit alleges, Cozen, Berry and O’Connor “had no objection to the widespread, aggressive, controversial and continuing and/or deepening political involvement of numerous male attorneys at the firm.” The firm supported the political involvement of male attorneys “financially and otherwise,” the suit alleges, in local, state and national politics.

The suit cites seven alleged examples of male attorneys whose political work was supported, including some who allegedly used firm resources for political work without any objection from the firm. They are as follows: Patrick Murphy was running for Congress during the same time Biswanger claims she was being told “to curb her political involvement,” the suit says, and the firm provided Murphy with a salary, an office and a secretary “throughout his campaign.”

Cozen has been “publicly associated” with the campaigns of Gov. Edward G. Rendell, Bob Brady, Phil English and Bill Richardson, among others, and “frequently solicits firm employees for contributions to their campaigns,” the suit alleges.

Adam B’s firm is going to pay a huge settlement to make this case go away. Chris Christie and the Feds, Adam ?? The Political fallout?
Bwa Ha ha Ha ha HA!

Like moths to flame, these vain arrogant fools sought publicity.
while proceeded to shit on people in public.Just posers using politics for personal enrichment.

127. marisacat - 24 September 2007

Oh the Democrats want Republicans, fundies and whoever else.

They are not interested in liberal/left/progressive of any color. And they will waste NO TIME selling out yellow brown and black who vote for them.

They can take their party and shove it, imo.

128. BooHooHooMan - 24 September 2007

Game on Adam, Kos, Aravia Melrath
Prepare to have your ass wiped out.

129. marisacat - 24 September 2007

oooo excellent tidbit BHHM…

130. Ezekiel - 24 September 2007

Hi Mcat. You’ve been through this region. We’re moving from the coast to the interior with all the hills, old stone houses and vineyards. We’re going into a 3 story old stone house that’s been renovated with a view of Motovun. This time of year, the fog fills the valley until it looks like all these hilltop villages are floating on a fluffy white sea.

Since we’re moving, I’m meeting new people. A teacher/translator and I had a nice conversation this week. It began with her father’s hunting incident. He fell asleep and started snoring. His colleagues thought the sound came from a wild pig and started shooting in his direction. Luckily, he survived. She laughed as she told until she cried. Something we never saw here at first.

Things moved to more serious topics, and at one point, she said to me, “I guess we think America starts the wars around the world. We think they even started the one here.”

And that’s not from the Serbian side where that point of view is common.

The English language is still dominant around the world, but the dollar’s influence is collapsing. And America’s is gone.

131. marisacat - 24 September 2007

heyhey… everything old is new again. Wilfred just popped me this link

Joni Mitchell is back after nine years, and she’s on the attack. In the title track to her new album, “Shine,” Mitchell takes a nice swipe at the Catholic Church by name.

“Shine on the Catholic Church/And the prisons that it owns,” she sings. “Shine on all the Churches/that love less and less.”

Mitchell was never one to mince words, but in her triumphant return on Starbucks’ Hear Records, she doesn’t give an inch.

In “Shine,” she continues: “Shine on lousy leadership/Licensed to kill/Shine on dying soldiers/In patriotic pain/Shine on mass destruction/In some God’s name!”

Mitchell’s album will be something of a revelation to young people who might buy it at Starbucks when it’s released Tuesday if they listen to it and read the lyrics.[snip]

132. lucid - 24 September 2007

I wonder what inspired her to come back. From the interview she gave Rolling Stone back in 2002, it sounded to me like she was pretty much done with the industry.

So how do you feel when some people say the whole business is going down the crapper?

I hope it all goes down the crapper. It’s top-heavy, it’s wasteful. It’s an insane business. Now, this is all calculated music. It’s calculated for sales, it’s sonically calculated, it’s rudely calculated. I’m ashamed to be a part of the music business. You know, I just think it’s a cesspool.

Were truer words ever spoken?

133. Shadowthief - 24 September 2007

I dunno. I know that being a pop star is “hard work”, but I’m having a bit of trouble working up sympathy for millionaires who earned their fortunes by doing what they love to do.

How many people get to be rich and famous? I’ll save my sympathy for the people who wait tables and pick up the garbage, thanks. They don’t have the option of quitting, whether or not they like what they’re doing (and neither do I).

134. lucid - 24 September 2007

ST – in that interview Mitchell reveals that she never earned a dime in her entire career off of album sales. While she may be wealthy now due to touring etc. – she was certainly not wealthy for a good part of her career… just sayin’

135. wilfred - 24 September 2007

Can’t wait until it comes out tomorrow. More Joni lyrics:

“The cats are in the flower bed/A red hawk rides the sky/I guess I should be happy/Just to be alive”

“But we have poisoned everything/And oblivious to it all/The cell phone zombies babble/Through the shopping malls”

“You cannot be trusted/Do you even know you’re lying/It’s dangerous to kid yourself/You go deaf and dumb and blind.”

136. BooHooHooMan - 24 September 2007

Sorry I have just been crippled with laughter…

I read Adam B’s piece on kos and it reeked of “shot across the bow” shit.. So I was was looking around ..
Here Adam is another 3 firm in five years stool. Current bio notes:

Adam currently represents major insurance companies in a multibillion-dollar subrogation recovery lawsuit against the individuals, entities and nations involved in financing Al-Qaeda, seeking to hold them accountable for the September 11 tragedy. [Insurers suing each other who’ll pay….might as well dress it up as heroic though…]


(previously at Schnader Harrison Segal & Lewis
Dechert Price Roads before that.)

He joined Cozen in January 2005. Evidently the University of Chicago cachet wearing thin just as a berth in another political inn of court opens up….this Biswanger woman is suburban GOP outside of Philly. Doesn’t matter to me what her affiliation is. These guys are cheaters and posers..Let the chips fall where they may…In discovery she’ll get their whole server…

His present Bio / Tout leads with:

“Adam C. Bonin joined the firm in January 2005, and is a Member in the Subrogation & Recovery Department. Prior to joining the firm, Adam was an associate in the litigation departments of two large Philadelphia law firms and also served as a senior advisor for a U.S. Senate campaign. “[ CASEY ? Paid? Unpaid? How? ]

So very very insistent on public notice though…
His wedding notice in the NYT: WIENER BONIN
{seriously , shit just writes itself…LoL}

. ..[the bride] ..had broken up with her boyfriend and had begun inhabiting what she called ”the seventh circle of dating hell — boring, dumb guys who were not laughing at my jokes.” Then, at one of their platonic lunchtime dates, Mr. Bonin burst into laughter at something she said.

”I am looking at him laugh,” she said, ”and it was like a big hand comes out of the sky, points at Adam and says, ‘Dummy, this is the guy!’ ”

About a month later, she tested her theory, giving Mr. Bonin the first peek at her manuscript for ”Good in Bed,” her first book, which is about a woman who goes through a terrible breakup and pines for her jettisoned boyfriend while the right guy is in front of her all along. ”Because so much of the book is so personal, it felt as though I’d handed him part of my heart,”…….

Ugh boy. Yes so very intimate …
their bliss covered in the New York Times.

137. marisacat - 24 September 2007

and also served as a senior advisor for a U.S. Senate campaign. “[ CASEY ? Paid? Unpaid? How? ]


think I checked that race before… it was for Hoeffel iirc.

Again IIRC, Bonin is on his third firm in 10 years.

I dunno, that used to not be the best CV.

138. Revisionist - 24 September 2007

BHHHM – what is the adam bonehead post you speak of?

139. Revisionist - 24 September 2007

he is about 20 years older than i imagined him

140. lucid - 24 September 2007

U of C – that’s all ya gotta know. Faculty full of fascists…

141. Ezekiel - 24 September 2007

Now Lucid.

Bruce Lincoln, Wendy Doniger, Michael Fishbane, David Tracy? Fascists?

At U of C, the Div School is the center of humanity. Biz School and Law School and Ec Dept. are on the other side for the most part.

142. Ezekiel - 24 September 2007

Better throw Marty in there.

143. lucid - 24 September 2007

Don’t forget the Philosophy program… from Leo Straus to Allan Bloom. Of course Leo is the prototypical American fascist.

144. BooHooHooMan - 24 September 2007

Seriously–Fuck these people. Traipsing from a ride on tobacco settlement distributions in PA to the next piece of lawyerly tit sucking on the next societal distress…

All under the guise of serving the common good with a minimum one third taken off the top..
PA had a whole slew of Rendell supporting bloodsuckers who made off with the Tobacco settlement and are chopping up the spoils of new legal slot machine parlors. Just a sump pump recycling public assistance dollars from the most desperate to the politically connected corp law class. FUCK THEM. Rendell’s legalized slot machines Suck money from the elderly and poor betting on “Hope” that they can get that lucky break to lift them up and out…of course it’s all presented as choice …Fine, Legalize it don’t criticize it…but tax the fucking shit out of it., Christ pay down the public debt .. The real sump pump should be on windfall LLC and Professional Corp Income or reserves. Instead we allow this kind of shit to continue, lawyers effectively setting up private banks with FD and FSLIC protection, ten go about the business of mortgage fraud for their speculative investments. Not to worry the lawyers will handle the bailouts or foreclosures… Seriously, FUCK THEM

The Czar’s Boyars were more progressive than these people….

145. BooHooHooMan - 24 September 2007

138 Yes Rev.

146. Shadowthief - 24 September 2007

I’ve read all of Jennifer Weiner’s books. In fact, they were so brilliant, so insighful, and so utterly captivating in every sense of the word (especially “In Her Shoes”) that I made a huge bonfire of my collection of Tolstoy, Dickens, Hemingway, Joyce, Woolf, Austen, Twain, and Fitzgerald (amongst others) in the back yard and burned them all in a merry fire. I mean, after reading Ms. Wiener’s deathless prose, one is spoilt and can have no other author.

I mean, really, Hemingway doesn’t have a snazzy website with FAQs, so bugger him. Hemingway never wrote anything as brilliant as THIS:

The world breaks everyone and afterward many are strong in the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry.

Oh wait, that was Hemingway. It was Wiener who wrote the drivel:

“You need the sizzle to sell the steak. Maybe people will pick up this book and go see the movie.”

Um…yeah. I used to berate people for not reading. Now I’m thinking I was too hard on them.

147. Ezekiel - 24 September 2007

It’s the collared folks trying to hold the line–that old northern Baptist tradition until the Rockefellers took over with Holy Mammon.

Ever seen the “chapel” at U of C.?

148. BooHooHooMan - 24 September 2007

Well the man has increased in stature twofold.
‘etsSee, two times zero equals….

149. JJB - 24 September 2007

BHHM and MCat, nos. 136 and 137,

Yeeeeeccchhhh!!!! Reading that damn thing was like a seven course meal that starts with jelly bean soup and ends with cotton candy mousse. As to his CV, he’s a member of his current firm, which is at some law firms is the term used instead of partner, so the latest move might have been a good one for him. Then again, they seem to have an overwhelming preponderence of members as opposed to associates, something like 3 or 4 to 1 ratio from clicking through the bios of the first 3-4 dozen attorneys in their Philly/Wilmington office. Being a member/partner there might not amount to much. I must say that he looks at good deal older than 34 (28 on wedding day, 6 years ago). More like 50 in that photo.

150. BooHooHooMan - 24 September 2007

Well the man has increased in stature twofold.
‘etsSee, two times zero equals….

151. lucid - 24 September 2007

No – I was only there once when I was a kid & spent my time searching through record stores for King Crimson albums.

My Dad went there briefly for grad school then transfered to IU – wise decision in my book.

152. JJB - 24 September 2007

Revisionist, no. 139,

The wedding notice that BHHM links to, dated October 2001, says he was then 28. So if he’s not telling a major fib about his age, he’s now 34. Hard to believe.

153. lucid - 24 September 2007

I just noticed the photo. He really does look like he’s 50.

154. BooHooHooMan - 24 September 2007

Milton Friedman. Naomi Klein nails him and the Chi crowd well

155. BooHooHooMan - 24 September 2007

A Whole lot that doesn’t jive…

156. BooHooHooMan - 24 September 2007

153 reminds me of the old joke young lawyer at heavens gate protesting he was taken too early in his thirties etc….

” Not according to your billing records” the heavenly bouncer of choice replies….

157. lucid - 24 September 2007

more U of C evil

158. Ezekiel - 24 September 2007

I was only trying to defend some folks I had respected as a student. They shouldn’t be tarred with Straus.

In general, I’ll agree. It’s an odd place, a proudly capitalist institution in the heart of South Chicago. But I was a commuting grad student with teachers that liberated me theologically. And the Div School folks had little use for that capitalist, imperialist crap. Look at Marty the last six years. A highly visible person who opposed the war when it was anathema. Stood up to Bush at every opportunity. You can say there wasn’t a lot of risk, but Marty has been doing that all his life–and early on from a position of weakness. Lincoln has been exposing his students to Marxist thought through good times and bad. Doniger’s feminist credentials are top notch.

It may be de riguer to assume that religion is the reactionary force in culture, but at U of C, it’s the opposite.

And I’m sure that even Quaker Swarthmore had some righty pricks on the faculty when you were there.

159. BooHooHooMan - 24 September 2007

Bonin has given over seven grand in the last cycles: $7330 to Hoeffel Murphy etc. The question I have is to what extent these firms get bondwork , “outside counsel” fees, under Rendell’s wing…

160. marisacat - 24 September 2007

new thread…


161. lucid - 24 September 2007

And I’m sure that even Quaker Swarthmore had some righty pricks on the faculty when you were there.

Indeed – particularly in the econ dept, which I avoided like the plague [what is it with economists?]. And hey – David Gergen’s brother was my student advisor.

Sorry – didn’t mean to be too harsh. I know there are good people in the Div school there. According to a good college friend of mine there are also good folks in the Sociology dept. as well. It just seems that the vast majority of people I know who went or wanted to go the U of C for grad school were lunatic fringe righties.

162. Ezekiel - 24 September 2007

It’s hard to generalize about big places. The politics are pretty complex, intentionally so. They’re trying to appeal to broad range of donors. Believe it or not, there are occasions on which they trot out us lefties to raise money.

That’s Amuurrika.

163. Shadowthief - 24 September 2007

Marisacat: I have it on good authority from the younger set that frogleaping from firm to firm, whether in law or otherwise, can be considered the mark of a smart careerist who is looking for “the right fit”. Rather than hurting their careers, these young people claim that moving from firm to firm helps them, since they are able to gain different expertise from each one.

Things have certainly changed.

164. marisacat - 24 September 2007


I have a different track on it, to be frank. LOL Unless anyone thinks that Melrath is the young smart set, holding on with only the PA bar, in the land of small area size states where I would suspect it is best to have 3 state bars under your gargantuan belt. And three firms in 5 years since a lower than third tier law firm is not something spun from gold leaf.

Is there a change in how some approach partner track? YES, because in the pst 10 years associate pay went thru the roof. Can you hone skills and move from team to team, firm to firm, perhaps following certain kinds of cases in certain fields of law?


I don’t think that is always the case tho.

Nor is there cash for the majority who do that, that will ever, ever match equity partnership.

165. Ezekiel - 24 September 2007

But MCat, no piece of the action. That’s what has changed in our lifetimes. Everyone becomes a journeyman. The constant hustling you see on DKos is one indicator of that.

I remember a summer clerkship where the partner across the hall spent all his time handling his country club’s personnel problems. That was the extreme in the other direction. Now there are no real partnerships. Fail to bill enough and you’re fucked.

There are no professions in the old sense of the word in the U. S. anymore. When you see how lawyers, doctors and public notaries operate in Europe. that becomes very obvious.

166. Ezekiel - 24 September 2007

Bottom line: America is becoming a third world country.

The dollar is the clue.

167. marisacat - 24 September 2007

Sorry I have to laugh. many firms in America are desirous of a change in how they make their money. They see in Europe that for some deals, the take is a share of the outcome. A SHare in the worth of the deal.

No more tired little drudgery of billing hours. Tho discovery laws and rules are handy here for that.

Ah, such struggle in the greasy halls of professional labor.

168. D. Throat - 24 September 2007


Hayek was supposedly diagnosed posthumously with Asperger Syndrome….

169. D. Throat - 24 September 2007

I wonder what is eating Greenspan???

170. fairleft - 25 September 2007

Excellent piece.

But a General STRIKE is absurdly impossible if only ‘cool people like me’ are behind it or into it. A little more possible if ‘duh people’, the working class broadly defined, is fully behind it.

There’s great potential in radicalizing the bottom 2/3rds of America, but … just more of what ain’t gettin done. Too icky?

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