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And continuing… 27 September 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Lie Down Fall Down Dems, Viva La Revolucion!.


A man gestures to the Burmese military after a crowd of thousands was fired upon.  [REUTERS]


Riot police arriving at the scene of the protests on Thursday.  [REUTERS] 


Ngwe Kyar Yan Monastery after it was raided in the early hours of Thursday morning. Hundreds of monks were dragged away by the troops.  [DPA]


The protestors fled after soldiers marched through the streets with loudspeakers ordering people to go home or risk being shot. One man lies injured after the police charge the crowd. [REUTERS]


Quick snip from one of the stories at spiegel.de:

As the protests enter their 10th day, the military regime seems to be ignoring international pleas for restraint and is instead continuing its crackdown on the protestors. In the early hours of Thursday morning, troops raided a number of monasteries and dragged away hundreds of monks. Just a few hours later, images of the blood-spattered floor of the monasteries were posted on Internet news sites across the world.

Ko Htike’s blog’s traffic has increased tenfold over the past few days. The Burmese national, who lives in London, has turned his literary blog into a political forum. “I have around 10 people inside in different locations … They are walking along with the march and as soon as they get any images or news they pop into internet cafes and send it to me,” he told BBC News on Wednesday. Ko Htike said that the bloggers usually use chat rooms like Yahoo Messenger to communicate.

 This snippet too…

According to the press freedom non-governmental organization Reporters without Borders, the ousting of former Prime Minister Khin Nyunt in October 2004 saw a marked reduction in the regime’s monitoring of the Internet. “He was a military intelligence guy … . After he was removed, they no longer have much knowledge in this area,” Vincent Brossel, the organization’s Asia director, told BBC News.

Brossel told AP that the junta was now trying to stem the flow of information by slowing down Internet connections, blocking mobile phone services and closing Internet cafes. But the opposition is now using satellite phones, which can bypass censors and firewalls to get the message out.

Burma’s state-run media has blamed “saboteurs” for causing the protests. “Saboteurs from inside and outside the nation and some foreign radio stations, who are jealous of national peace and development, have been making instigative acts through lies to cause internal instability and civil commotion,” said The New Light of Myanmar, a mouthpiece for the regime, on Thursday.


And… I noticed that catnip posted this, near the end of the previous thread:

liberalcatnip | liberalcatnip.blogspot.com |

Via the BBC: Eyewitness: Rangoon protests

Sep 27, 11:10 AM

Beats dead as door nails Democrats, all in a line in NH prattling lies to a worn out or gullible or disinterested or agreeing public.


UPDATE, 12:01 pm

Just noticed that Pepe Escobar is up at Asia Times with a Roving Eye on Burma… (in fact the place is loaded with articles over yesterday and today):

Few can fail to be intensely moved by the exhilarating images of the “crimson revolution” – thousands of monks chanting “democracy, democracy” or reciting the Metta Sutta – the Buddha sermon on loving kindness, while civilian demonstrators, on a practical level, also call for the release of hundreds of political prisoners and a reduction in the price of fuel (raised 500% last month, the root cause of the protests).

The Asian Human Rights Commission has reported how the monks, in a pre-rally ceremony on Monday, have solemnly refused to accept donations from anyone junta-connected, people they have dubbed “pitiless soldier kings”. This very serious act amounts to nothing less than a Buddhist form of excommunication.

But fear now looms. The 1991 Nobel Peace Prize winner and democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi – lovingly referred to all over the country as The Lady – has been transferred from her lakeside home on University Avenue in Yangon to sinister Insein prison, according to a Reuters report. The junta has imposed a dusk-till-dawn curfew in Yangon and Mandalay.

A bit of a close look at Bush’s concern for Burma:

Myanmar has been in effect off the radar of the international community for years. Why this new, sudden, Bush administration interest in regime change in Myanmar? If the US and the West are so obsessed with “human rights”, why not put pressure on the ghastly practices of the House of Saud? Or the barely disguised repression under the glitz in Persian Gulf petromonarchies? Or the bloody Islam Karimov dictatorship in Uzbekistan?

A vast drug-money-laundering operation, plus full Asian cooperation – to the tune of billions of dollars – helped the Myanmar junta to build its new capital, Naypyidaw, in the middle of the jungle, almost 350 kilometers north of Yangon, in essence using slave labor. The 10-country Association of Southeast Asian Nations, of which Myanmar is a member, has been very lenient, to say the least, with the unsavory generals, in the name of a policy of “non-interference”. Thailand – for complex historical reasons – would rather co-exist with a weak neighbor. India coddles the generals to get natural-gas deals – like a recent agreement to invest US$150 million in gas exploitation in the west of the country.

Enter the dragon

But Myanmar is above all a key strategic pawn for China. Not only as a captive market for civilian goods in addition to weapons, but as a pawn to keep India in check and assure China of key strategic access to the Indian Ocean. Just like Britain – which twice invaded Burma, as Myanmar was known until 1989 – China’s utmost interest is natural resources. Oil and gas, of course, but also gems and timber: the once-pristine forests at the Myanmar-China border have been practically wiped out. According to the rights group Global Witness, Myanmar exported no less than $350 million in timber to China in 2005 alone, and the bulk of it was illegal.  




1. Revisionist - 27 September 2007

I was going to blog this a couple of weeks ago. Wish I had since it has exploded.

One piece I read at the first of the month discussed heavily how the monks had always been force for change. And how the government was forced to tolerate them because violence against them would case a full scale uprising. The people it was said have more alliegience to the monks than the government. Will be interesting to see how the crack down plays out.

2. marisacat - 27 September 2007


you are prolific enough with wide ranging interests.. you should have your own blog. Plus you have technical abilities…

Drop the odd piece you want to x post at PFF … but really. Think about it.

3. marisacat - 27 September 2007

Just saw this at spiegel.de… a round up of the German press, looking at Burma. They point right at China.

Left-leaning daily Die Tageszeitung demands that the international community take action:

“History seems to be repeating itself: In 1988, the protests began small before quickly expanding. Back then, the demonstrations ended in a bloodbath with thousands killed and thousands more ending up in prison or in exile. With its violent deployment against monks and civilians on Wednesday, the regime showed once more that it is immune to international calls for restraint….”

“It is time for the UN Security Council to send a delegation … to negotiate. China needs to play a special role as the Burmese regime’s closest and most influential ally. In addition, the Southeast Asian alliance ASEAN, which has so far remained mostly silent in the face of the recent events, has to take a position and risk putting the ASEAN-Burma partnership on ice.”

“Still, the situation is a difficult one because the military leadership would never admit to giving in to outside pressure. Still, a quick and decisive intervention by the international community is necessary. The world cannot tolerate such military violence against the people of Burma.”

4. Revisionist - 27 September 2007

lol…. i had a blog back when the blog explosion occured around 04. it became a chore to keep up with and stopped being fun. then you have to go pimp your shit. I am a newsman at heart. I find blogging to be mainly opinion. And I studied journalism when they taught you to keep your opinions out of your reporting!

really, all i do is see stories on my RSS reader. Its just a matter of picking what is newsworthy or brewing. All Huffpo or Raw or even antiwar do is just post stuff off the wire. Especially huffpo. Its just a matter of featuring the right stories.

antiwar does a really good job of pulling info off the feeds as does buzzflash.

last thing the world needs is another fucking blog

5. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2007

My latest: Burma, Bush and Oil

Quite ironic that when I visited dkos today, the Chevron ad was up yet again.

6. marisacat - 27 September 2007

Silber has a piece up… in essence on empire, narcissism and paternalism.

And a fine turn of the shiv for the enablers of the Democrats, along the way… 😉

You have to hand it to the Washington Democrats and those commentators and bloggers who continue to shill for them. The Democrats count on the American public and their lobotomized lapdogs not to remember significant events from one week to the next — and the Democrats’ enablers willingly render themselves deaf, dumb and blind. The Democrats first put on a phony show of aggressively questioning Petraeus and doubting his propagandistic claims, and very shortly thereafter they rely on Petraeus’s lies to set the stage for World War III.

I almost admire the Democrats’ defenders in a certain way. The Democrats stab them deep in the gut and, while the knife is disemboweling them, the Democrats continue to lie in their agony-ridden faces — and the victims still tell these bastards they will continue to support them. This collection of subhumans give sado-masochists a bad name. The commitment to cruelty, self-abasement and self-humiliation is all but perfect. It’s no wonder they can regard one genocide after another with equanimity. It appears none of these people has a conscience any longer to be troubled in the smallest degree.

Nice long snips from Nir Rosen’s new book, from Chris Floyd posts… another treasure trove of a post…


7. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2007

I crossposted it to pff as well for those who want to comment there.

8. marisacat - 27 September 2007

catnip has good links assembled at her post on Burma, as well as what she excerpts… (btw… 8) )

PS… catnip is FPed in PeederLand…


it became a chore to keep up with and stopped being fun.

oh I understand all that you said, Rev…


9. mattes - 27 September 2007

Rev…are you for hire setting up a blog. Soapbox? Or anyone else here. Non-political one.

10. Revisionist - 27 September 2007

RE Sibler. I went to a couple of partisan sites this morning. They seem to have forgotten there was a debate last night.

And truthfully, last nite’s debate was really chock full of great moments.

Only thing I have seen are a couple of apologist postings at huffpo.

Seriously, the point was not that Hillary and the others were mislead by the Bill question, it was the fact she probably doesnt pay any attention to her husband. Mcat pointed out the fair outing. Hillary just doesnt give a shit what bill does and didnt watch him on MTP

11. Revisionist - 27 September 2007

mattes – the software is pretty user friendly. you just pick a style and go to town. When I was doing it the choices were Blogger and Blogspot then WP. It took about 10 minutes to set up on blogger. Which was mostly setting the coloe scheme Now a few years later, lots of software has plugins for blogging too. Word, FP, and even some graphix programs. Atrios hasnt evolved any from that period.

Most of the Kids use Drupal right now.

12. marisacat - 27 September 2007


I thought the NH fair outing ws very revealing, reading thru the lines in a couple reports. They both just wandered off and seemed dismissive of one anotehr.

What a shock! LOL.

13. Revisionist - 27 September 2007

What i was going to blog about regarding Burma was about the monks. I blurbed it here about 3 weeks ago.

I was shocked that the monks were being violent. Attacking shops and other property. I had always pictured Buhddists monks as meditating pacifists. Their aggressiveness is what originally piqued my interest not the politics

14. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2007

PS… catnip is FPed in PeederLand…

Yet no one’s giving me any cheesecake. Je suis desolÉ .

15. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2007


Did that info about the monks being violent come from Burmese gov’t sources, as The Guardian reported or was there some other source?

“Some protesters, including six monks holding sticks and swords, hit the officials with their weapons,” said the New Light of Myanmar, one of the regime’s main mouthpieces. “The protesters became very violent. So in order to control situation, the officials threw a teargas bomb into the group and opened fire in the air to threaten them.”

16. D. Throat - 27 September 2007

The head of the Catholic Church in Mozambique has told the BBC he believes some European-made condoms are infected with HIV deliberately.

Maputo Archbishop Francisco Chimoio claimed some anti-retroviral drugs were also infected “in order to finish quickly the African people”.

The Catholic Church formally opposes any use of condoms, advising fidelity within marriage or sexual abstinence

17. Revisionist - 27 September 2007

It was a few weeks back. They were attacking shops and other property. It was vandelism not assualt on people. The government was just letting them get away with it. The events have been unfolding for about a month.

That pic I did last week about buhdy was the burmese monks marching

18. msxeno - 27 September 2007

catnip, I heard you were trying to eat healthier. I stuffed a really nice Caesar salad in your mailbox. 😉

Poor dk whiner at PFF has proclaimed me a liar, and plans on FPing my egregious assaults on his non-existent character. Yeesh. Like there’s more than seven or eight people on PFF who even know me, or would care if they did know.

My heart, she is breaking like a fresh saltine, mes amis… :/

19. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2007

I should have read more of that Guardian article:

Peaceful protests by monks began on August 30 in Sittwe and, soon after, spread to the northern town of Pakokku, where troops fired warning shots. Junta supporters also manhandled some marchers. In response, young monks angry at their mistreatment briefly took officials hostage, set fire to their cars and later smashed a shop and a house belonging to junta supporters.

20. Revisionist - 27 September 2007

yeah thats it!!!!… i forgot about the hostages. it just seemed odd behavior for monks to me. There is more in dpeth coverage of that stuff if you do a little googling. it was news in most of the rest of the world

21. msxeno - 27 September 2007

They… smashed a shop ?!

Time to call for the death penalty. I mean, you see that at least once a week on American blogs and newsgroups. Some alleged anarchist allegedly looks the wrong way at a window or wall and everyone starts screaming about the Holy Property Rights of the Holy Monied People and how hanging is too good for those wielding so much as a single spray can or rock. Etc etc.

22. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2007

it just seemed odd behavior for monks to me.

Well (not that I’m justifying what they did), the article states they were “young” monks (noviates, maybe?) and buddhists aren’t perfect anyway – no matter what the age.

23. marisacat - 27 September 2007

Marauding Monks. Monks on a Maraud…

different at least.

24. liberalcatnip - 27 September 2007

I stuffed a really nice Caesar salad in your mailbox.

I checked. I think the mailman took it because I saw him dropping romaine down the street. But thanks anyway! I love caesar salad. 🙂

25. msxeno - 27 September 2007

Maraud should be the name of an SUV, if it hasn’t yet been used.

26. msxeno - 27 September 2007

Oh, and I curse Canada’s plague of light-fingered postal employees. Shameful. Simply shameful.

27. Saint Shadowthief - 27 September 2007

I think the biggest SUV should be called DOOM: The vehicle that is killing the planet!

28. marisacat - 27 September 2007

Rob Reiner endorses Hilarius the First.

God, these people have no shame. None.

29. jam.fuse - 27 September 2007

‘Buddhas do not observe precepts’

30. msxeno - 27 September 2007

Gee. Hollywood loves a sanctimonious violence fetishist who dresses in overpriced, tacky crap and twitters about villages raising children whenever she is cornered about any serious manner.

Who could be surprised ? It’s a match made in heaven…

31. Marie - 27 September 2007

The Edwardians are cheering for Johnny’s latest “principled” decision to accept federal matching funds for the primary. So principled that he waited until three days before the end of the 3rd Qtr to announce it. Looks as if all his netroots support is failing to translate into bucks. So, that’s it for the mill worker’s son (the image of “Norma Rae” when the reality was that daddy wasn’t on the floor and wasn’t a friend of Norma’s)

Is Hillary passing out those little pills from Stepford?

32. marisacat - 27 September 2007

Just moving this forward from the previous thread:

StupidAsshole |

109: Mattes, do you have more than one cat? I find Frontline always works to kill off their fleas, provided you use it monthly. However, if you have more than one cat, you have to watch them carefully, as they will lick the Frontline off one another as a favor.

Sep 27, 2:25 PM —

ugh the taste of Frontline must be awful.

I have to say it worked with Baby… I had been going back and forth between flea powder and flea foam (actually too strong for her respiratory system) and Frontline does the trick.

33. marisacat - 27 September 2007

IOZ says he’ll be back – in october…


34. colleen - 27 September 2007

Frontline does the trick

Frontline works like magic. It also removes paint if a drop is left on a heated windowsill. I use it sparingly, every couple of months.

35. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007

there is plenty of examples of Buddhists being every bit as violent as any other group of people. Warrior monks in China and Japan through the years and the treatment of muslims by the Buddhists in Thailand come to mind. During the Samurai period in Japan there were very fierce private armies of Buddhist warrior monks in Japan, and many of the “Boxers” of the Boxer Rebellion in China were monks of Shaolin, which grew out of Buddhism and Taoism.

Of course, I learned all of this from western sources, so it may be only partially accurate.

36. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007

Mychal Bell has been released on bail.

37. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007

I looked up the Metta Sutra that someone mentioned upthread:

This is what should be done
By one who is skilled in goodness,
And who knows the path of peace:
Let them be able and upright,
Straightforward and gentle in speech.
Humble and not conceited,
Contented and easily satisfied.
Unburdened with duties and frugal in their ways.
Peaceful and calm, and wise and skillful,
Not proud and demanding in nature.
Let them not do the slightest thing
That the wise would later reprove.
Wishing: In gladness and in saftey,
May all beings be at ease.
Whatever living beings there may be;
Whether they are weak or strong, omitting none,
The great or the mighty, medium, short or small,
The seen and the unseen,
Those living near and far away,
Those born and to-be-born,
May all beings be at ease!

Let none deceive another,
Or despise any being in any state.
Let none through anger or ill-will
Wish harm upon another.
Even as a mother protects with her life
Her child, her only child,
So with a boundless heart
Should one cherish all living beings:
Radiating kindness over the entire world
Spreading upwards to the skies,
And downwards to the depths;
Outwards and unbounded,
Freed from hatred and ill-will.
Whether standing or walking, seated or lying down
Free from drowsiness,
One should sustain this recollection.
This is said to be the sublime abiding.
By not holding to fixed views,
The pure-hearted one, having clarity of vision,
Being freed from all sense desires,
Is not born again into this world.

Well, plainly they were asking for a beating.

38. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007
39. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007


House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), looking for a way to move House Democrats’ becalmed Iraq strategy, may wait until 2008 before bringing up the next wartime supplemental spending bill.

They have, however, agreed that two relatively uncontroversial bills — banning “war profiteering” and reining in Iraq contractors — should be quickly brought to the floor.

“The supplemental appropriations bill doesn’t appear to be coming up anytime soon,” Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) said after meeting with Pelosi. Democratic aides confirmed that there are discussions of the bill being delayed as far into the future as January.

A group of legislators working to craft that strategy has yet to decide on a recommendation for Pelosi on an overarching strategy on the supplemental, which is considered the policy-setting legislation on the war.

A flurry of meetings on Iraq strategy has resulted in the floating of new ideas but no coherent strategy for how to proceed on Iraq policy. Among those ideas are a liberal proposal limiting the size of the U.S. embassy in Baghdad to prevent it from becoming a military outpost, strengthening a centrist proposal by Reps. Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii) and John Tanner (D-Tenn.) that had been watered down to win Republican support in committee, and developing legislation to order a “diplomatic surge.”

“There’s going to be a package of legislation with everything from war profiteering to withdrawal,” Abercrombie said following one of the meetings late Tuesday. “We’re going to take this as far as we’re able and pass it in such a way that the Senate will have to come to grips with it.”

On the House floor Wednesday, lawmakers passed, 341-79, an amendment condemning a newspaper advertisement by the liberal group MoveOn.org attacking Gen. David Petraeus, the U.S. commander in Iraq, as “General Betray Us.”

Legislators are set to meet again Thursday to continue their discussion about recommendations on Iraq. The meeting comes after an intense day of closed-door discussions colored by concern by the leaders of the Out of Iraq Caucus that they were being excluded from the process.

Rep. John Larson (D-Conn.) has assembled an ad hoc group to look at the dozens of Iraq bills introduced by Democrats and develop a floor strategy. The group includes members of the Out of Iraq Caucus, but not its founders, Reps. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.) and Waters. It also includes Abercrombie and Tanner, who have clashed with the three Californians in recent weeks about Iraq strategy.

After the Senate failed to pass Sen. Jim Webb’s (D-Va.) “dwell time” bill last week, Larson asked the group to make recommendations on a new strategy.

But the centrist tilt of the group alarmed the three Out of Iraq leaders, who sometimes call themselves the “triad.” Their concern led to an occasionally charged Tuesday afternoon meeting in Pelosi’s office with the three Californians, other Out of Iraq caucus members and Larson.

Pelosi sought to ameliorate the anti-war leaders by expressing her frustration with Senate Republicans on the Iraq issue, saying there’s no longer any need to reach out to them. She assured the triad members no one was being excluded. There also was some discussion that Abercrombie and Tanner’s withdrawal legislation could be pushed through on a fast-track vote on the suspension calendar.

40. bayprairie - 27 September 2007

cites of bush quotes from the leaked transcript of the conversation between George W. Bush, Jose Maria Aznar of Spain, and Condoleeza Rice held at Crawford before the Iraq War.

The Eqyptians are speaking to Saddam Hussein,” said Mr Bush.

It seems he’s indicated he would be prepared to go into exile if he’s allowed to take $1billion and all the information he wants about weapons of mass destruction.

Asked by the Spanish premier whether Saddam – who was executed in December last year – could really leave, the President replied: “Yes, that possibility exists. Or he might even be assassinated.

But he added that whatever happened: “We’ll be in Baghdad by the end of March.


Mr Bush was dismissive of the then French President Jacques Chirac, saying he “thinks he’s Mr Arab“.

Referring to his relationship with Downing Street, he said: “I don’t mind being the bad cop if Blair is the good cop.

The President added: “Saddam won’t change and he’ll keep on playing games.

“The time has come to get rid of him. That’s the way it is.”

the twice elected leader of the united states. “good cop bad cop”, “thinks he’s Mr arab”, “keep on playing games”.

the democratic party leadership at the national level does his bidding everytime he sticks up a threat, and/or prior to their holiday.

juan cole says

The transcript, it seems to me, provides a whole rack of smoking guns that could be a basis for impeaching George W. Bush.


here’s what democrats are doing today to stop the war.

Democrats Blast Limbaugh For Saying That Antiwar Troops Are “Phony Soldiers”

just the thing to save our listing ship of state, donks fighting another battle in the potemkin media war.


do donks think meaningless crap like this makes their prize pigs look like they’re engaged in some sort of struggle?


41. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007


“The world is watching the people of Burma take to the streets to demand their freedom, and the American people stand in solidarity with these brave individuals,” George Bush

Watching the pro-democracy marches in Burma both inspires and sickens me. I am inspired by seeing thousands of red-robed monks leading the demonstrations and sickened by the violence they are being met with by the military.

Seeing the images of the monks and others being beaten reminds me of the Democratic Convention in 1968 where Chicago police beat the living daylights out of demonstrators who were there to try and force the party to come closer to the budding anti-war movement. It didn’t work. Instead of wonderful-pro-peace candidate, George McGovern, the party nominated Johnson’s VP, Hubert Humphrey. We know what happened next: Nixon. After last night’s Democratic “debate” I am terrified and assured that the Democrats will have another pro-war nominee.

The other event in my memory that the pro-democracy movement in Burma reminds me of is Kent State, Ohio in May, 1970. Four students were killed and nine were wounded marching against escalation of the Vietnam debacle.. I have heard from many people who were of age to protest the Vietnam war at that time that the killings had the affect of frightening them into not protesting, or scaling their protests back.

I was supposed to be in court today in Washington, DC for my last arrest. I didn’t go because I am not under allegiance and repudiate the fascists that run our government and the enforcers who are doing their best Nazi-job of “following orders” in oppressing our rights as Americans.

Why are they beating up a Reverend who served in the Air Force, and honorably left after the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq, for wanting to attend a hearing in Congress?

Why are they arresting a Gold Star Mother for exercising the very freedoms for which George Bush freakishly says her son died?

Why are my daughter and assistant under indictment for Contempt of Congress when BushCo have steadily refused to testify before committees under oath, or any other way? As a matter of fact, Betray-Us wasn’t even put under oath that day in the House.

Why are college students being tasered for asking the same questions that we all want answered from John Kerry who threw our Representative Republic in the garbage along with the 2004 election?

Why are nooses being hung in the South?

Why do any of us pay our Federal Taxes to a government that we abhor and which we adamantly disagree with? Why do we allow our hard earned money to be used for murder and oppression?

Why is Congress giving BushCo more authority to begin a New World War?

Where are religious leaders to lead us in pro-democracy demonstrations? Most of our mainstream religions suffer from the same neo-fascism that our governmental leaders suffer from.

Why do we march in DC on Saturdays and get arrested just to get arrested? It’s time to descend on DC on a weekday and make commitments to our world and our posterity to over throw this fascism right now?

When can we have a country-wide massive general strike?

Recent reports show that Saddam made overtures to America through the UAE and Spain to go into exile weeks before the March, 2003 invasion of Iraq. Of course, the overtures were rejected because George’s small mind was already made up to invade Iraq before he became president in some sick way to either show up or gain approval from a dysfunctional family. What if Spain’s former President Aznar had spoken up then? What if Colin Powell, George Tenet, or any of the criminal neocons had spoken up to prevent this horrible loss of life and pain before it even started?

I wouldn’t be under a bench warrant right now. Rev wouldn’t be recovering from a badly sprained ankle. Casey would be alive and hundreds of thousands of others would be alive.

We can’t count on anyone but ourselves. It’s now up to we the people to follow the example of our brothers and sisters in Burma to courageously confront the anti-democracy/pro-fascist elements of our society.

42. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007
43. Revisionist - 27 September 2007

allen keyes is a flaming queen.

44. Revisionist - 27 September 2007

if the pbs debate is delayed out west yall need to catch the front end of it.

45. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007

Got this thru Silber’s latest:

Time for a Mass Resignation From the Democratic Party – Quit the Party! – By DAVE LINDORFF

So all Bush has to do to promote a Republican victory in the 2008 elections is keep putting forward outrageous bills, keep expanding the war, perhaps to include Iran, and keep undermining the Constitution. The Democrats will enable or sign on to each horrible act in turn. And with each such shameless action taken by the Democratic Congress, they further enrage 2008 voters.

The Democrats, under Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (surely two of the sorriest excuses for leaders that Congress has had in modern history), simply don’t get it. They don’t realize they’re being played for suckers and losers. And they don’t even realize that they are alienating their base.

Which brings us to what needs to be done.

The Democrats in Congress, and at the head of the party, need to receive a serious wake-up call. Since they’re clearly too dumb or too out of touch to realize what’s happening, we need to send them a message they can’t ignore-the political equivalent of a car bomb.

I’m talking about mass resignations from the Democratic Party, with every person who resigns and becomes an independent or who changes their registration to a third party sending a message to the DNC explaining why he or she is quitting.

It starts small with a few people here and a few people there, but as Arlo Guthrie once put it, pretty soon we’re talking about a movement, and you can join it right here!

A couple of months back, I set up an email address for people to register at, and listed it on my website. To date, over 600 people have mailed in saying they are quitting the Democratic Party until Democrats in Congress begin impeachment proceedings against Bush and Cheney, and until they cut of all funding for the Iraq War.

Now it’s time to really kick this campaign into high gear.

A few days ago, Cynthia McKinney, the gutsy and outspoken former congresswoman from Georgia who filed the first and so far only bill of impeachment against George W. Bush in the waning days of the last Congress, called me at home to say she wants to sign on. That’s a nice start to the campaign!

You read it first here: Former Rep. McKinney Quits the Democratic Party!

So how about you? Think about it: If you were to accept the official line, George Bush won the presidency in 2000 by capturing the state of Florida by 537 votes. And this movement has already got more than that number of people who are no longer going to be Democrats! If we could get 537 people in each state of the union to sign on and drop their party affiliation in protest, the Democratic leadership would have to start contemplating how many close states they are going to lose next year because of their abject failure to act on principle and with courage in Congress.

Better still, if we could get 100,000 or 500,000 people to drop their party affiliation nationwide, that would send a really powerful signal.

You have to do more than quite … you have to not vote for their nominee next time, no matter what they promise, and you have to refuse to choose the lesser of two lessers for every other office as well. It’s more than just sending an electronic message to quit the vote.

Withhold the vote.

46. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007

oops … “more than QUIT”.

47. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007
48. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007

Evil Catholic propaganda

I’m all linkaholic tonight.

49. Miss Devore - 27 September 2007

My sister, who sends me tons of her cast-off (though definitely not worn much) clothing, sent me a pair of black cordouroy pants and the label on the inside declared them “Marisa-cut”

Is my butt in trouble or what?

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007
51. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007

‘The irony of my life’

While he has no regrets about having avoided prose-bound sex or literary experimentation – “I’ve always been a rather straight and direct writer, ever since I started,” he says, “and there isn’t that much difference between my style then and my style now” – the one criticism that rankles is that his subject matter represents a vanished world. “I grew up in the 1920s and 1930s in a nouveau riche world, where money was spent wildly,” he says, “and I’m still living in one! The private schools are all jammed with long waiting lists; the clubs – all the old clubs – are jammed with long waiting lists today; the harbours are clogged with yachts; there has never been a more material society than the one we live in today. Where is this ‘vanished world’ they talk about? I don’t think the critics have looked out the window!”

“It is a myth,” he continues, that a once great and powerful class of white, Anglo-Saxon Protestants has been pushed aside; the ruling class has simply eliminated the ethnic and religious bars to entry, and expanded. “Proust studied this very carefully,” he says. “He understood that society would take in anybody it wants.”

Indeed, at the very centre of American politics is the great dynastic Wasp story of our time, the Bush family (both presidents: Philips Andover – America’s Eton – Yale, Skull and Bones). Surely this is the grist for a great society novel? Auchincloss demurs. “I just think the Bushes are a big family of shits,” he says with a sibilant hiss, “they might have existed anywhere.” The statement sits oddly with the photograph on the mantelpiece, which is of the Bushes welcoming Auchincloss to the Oval Office after he was awarded the National Medal of Arts in 2005. “That’s because all the grandchildren are there,” he replies, noting that he has received an enormous amount of grief from friends over the picture. As befits a lawyer, his defence is a touch legalistic: “I didn’t accept a prize from George W Bush, I accepted a prize from the President of the United States. Who am I to turn that down? The grandchildren had a lovely time!”

“I used to say to my father,” he says, “ ‘If my class at Yale ran this country, we would have no problems.’ And the irony of my life is that they did.” He pauses before invoking a 20th-century American foreign-policy who’s who: “There was Cy Vance, Bill Scranton, Ted Beale, both Bundys, Bill and McGeorge – they all got behind that war in Vietnam and they pushed it as far as they could. And we lost a quarter of a million men. They were all idealistic, good, virtuous,” says Auchincloss, “the finest men you could find. It was the most disillusioning thing that happened in my life.”

Auchincloss has struggled to understand just how their shared patrician background could have produced this disconnect. And the answer would appear to be that wars are lost, if not always made, on the playing fields of New England. “Bill Bundy and I shared a study at Groton, and one day he came in from a football game, and I said: ‘Who won?’ and he said: ‘We lost,’ and then he burst into tears. You cannot lose. Groton cannot lose. That’s what they believed in, no matter what,” explains Auchincloss. “They all would have all been willing to die, if they hadn’t already been in high positions. They believed America cannot lose. We stand for every virtue and right that’s in the world.”

But the lessons of Groton don’t end there. There is also the matter of obedience. “My friends had all graduated from college and professional school before they entered the war and that was a great help – even to those who had a terrible time,” says Auchincloss. “I think the awful psychological effects happen in younger men. They are less accepting – they are outraged that it could happen to them. The officers all sort of expected it; and they all went to private schools, so they had never any difficulty with the fact that they were commanded by idiots. One learns to be commanded by idiots in the private school system.”

This country is run by shits.

52. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007

The Conspiracy Against The People

THE DUSK IS UPON US and moving too quickly for the status quo to do a damn thing, so while I have not endorsed anyone (for what that is worth), I have NO time for politicians who see international policy the same as Bush does or the GOP does; I have NO time for any president unless they plan to roll back CheneyBush’s invasive anti-constitutional P.A.T.R.I.O.T act measures and restore Habeas Corpus, I have NO time for a politician unless they loudly and unequivocally say the Iraq Occupation MUST end and they will do it, and I will not vote for anyone, nor encourage a vote for any candidate unless they reject the idea of preemptive war on Iran, reject the disastrous Bush Doctrine. This time I want true change and I will not vote compromise.

Hillary Clinton is never getting my vote. Sorry. As she gets closer and closer, she talks more and more war. Nope. You are out. I don’t care if the system demands this of you or not. We need someone big and brave enough to create their own new way, to reject the system, because the status quo and the system and all its pressures now lead us toward ultimate destruction. We need someone with greater vision, who can see above the fear, around the Right’s framing, beyond the accepted horizon. And if you get the nomination, I will not vote Democratic party.

53. Saint Shadowthief - 27 September 2007

Daniel Ellsberg:

This Executive Branch, under specifically Bush and Cheney, despite opposition from most of the rest of the branch, even of the cabinet, clearly intends a war against Iran which even by imperialist standards, standards in other words which were accepted not only by nearly everyone in the Executive Branch but most of the leaders in Congress. The interests of the empire, the need for hegemony, our right to control and our need to control the oil of the Middle East and many other places. That is consensual in our establishment. …

But even by those standards, an attack on Iran is insane. And I say that quietly, I don’t mean it to be heard as rhetoric. Of course it’s not only aggression and a violation of international law, a supreme international crime, but it is by imperial standards, insane in terms of the consequences.

Does that make it impossible? No, it obviously doesn’t, it doesn’t even make it unlikely.

That is because two things come together that with the acceptance for various reasons of the Congress – Democrats and Republicans – and the public and the media, we have freed the White House – the president and the vice president – from virtually any restraint by Congress, courts, media, public, whatever.

And on the other hand, the people who have this unrestrained power are crazy. Not entirely, but they have crazy beliefs.


Let me simplify this and not just to be rhetorical: A coup has occurred. I woke up the other day realizing, coming out of sleep, that a coup has occurred. It’s not just a question that a coup lies ahead with the next 9/11. That’s the next coup, that completes the first.

The last five years have seen a steady assault on every fundamental of our Constitution, … what the rest of the world looked at for the last 200 years as a model and experiment to the rest of the world – in checks and balances, limited government, Bill of Rights, individual rights protected from majority infringement by the Congress, an independent judiciary, the possibility of impeachment.


54. Hair Club for Men - 27 September 2007
55. Marie - 27 September 2007

Mitm #51 thanks for posting the Louis Auchincloss interview. Read a couple of his books years ago (and enjoyed reading about real money). Not surprising that he would dismiss the Bushes. For all their pedigree, they are a classless, gauche clan. Louis is related in some way to the very wealthy Hugh D. Auchincloss clan. Jr. was married to Gore Vidal’s mother for a few years and later to Jacqueline Kennedy’s mother. He’s right that his Yale classmates screwed up this country, but at least his crowd was smart and didn’t make as big a mess of things as the Bushes. (My ex-father-in-law, now deceased, worked his way through Yale playing bridge against the Bundy brothers. So, Bill Bundy lost more often than a single football game while at Groton.)

56. Hair Club for Men - 27 September 2007

Youngest crowd I ever saw. About 10,000 people, 90% under 25.

Half the people around me weren’t even alive when a non Bush non Clinton was president.

Obama gave a rather intelligent but at the same time formulaic speech.

He never mentioned Lieberman Cornyn. But he did defend the idea of meeting with Hugo Chavez or Ahmadinejad.

To me he seemed fake and his speech seemed like junk politics. To the 20 year old kids around me he seemed like a welcome relief from the hard edged Nazis Bush and Cheney.

57. marisacat - 27 September 2007

To me he seemed fake and his speech seemed like junk politics — HCfM

yup, that is why I call him Adware… 😉


Interesting thread to the RigInt link Madman posted upthread (at comment 50). Esp “iridescent cuttlefish” and “Mark”…

58. Hair Club for Men - 27 September 2007

Obama had a band opening up for his speech.


Three non threatening white guys playing that kind of horrible music you hear on the clear channel stations (hey there deliha yada yada yada yada yada). They had a christian rock quality.

A far cry from Nader, Rage Against the Machine and Patti Smith in 2000,

59. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 September 2007

dark, dark times … and sometimes stuff like RigInt at least ask some questions.

So much that was whispered and snickered at when I was growing up in the ’60s and 70s has turned out true.

60. wu ming - 27 September 2007

when you consider that in many southeast asian countries, most young men become monks for a couple of years as a form of basic education and familial accumulation of merit, it isn’t all that surprising that a bunch of youn g men in the late teens and early 20s are out there kicking ass, monastic vows or no. they’re human beings, and the status that buddhism holds in such societies (analogous to students in pre-1989 china) probably puts them in a mindset where they’re rather fearless and feel like they have to stand up for the nation.

buddhist monks have kicked ass historically from time to time, especially in medieval japan, where they not only burnt down and desecrated each other’s tenmples periodically, but also fought pitched battles with armed samurai, albeit usually using their symbolic legitimacy and threat of curses/karmic retribution to restrain the level of violence somewhat.

i hope they win this. i suspect that bush’s interest here is more along the reasoning of “if these protests can get the junta out of power and a democratic government in power, we can drop the sanctions those bleeding hearts foisted upon us, and get down to the business of getting oil corps’ back in the bidding for those natural gas fields.”

no matter. i’m on the side of any people that can wrest a better deal for themselves. fuck all the juntas.

61. Intermittent Bystander - 28 September 2007

AP report, Friday morning: Access to internet cut in Myanmar.

BBC News: Junta tightens media screw.

Websites and internet blogs posting information and photographs of the government’s action have been blocked.

Telephone lines and mobile phone signals to monasteries, opposition politicians and student leaders have been cut.

All this has made it more difficult for people to upload pictures of the mass protests to be picked up by international satellite news channels and beamed around the world, including back to Burma.

62. Intermittent Bystander - 28 September 2007

Local residents thwart monastery raids (from Democratic Voice of Burma in Oslo):

Sep 28, 2007 (DVB)–Army troops attempting to raid monasteries in Mandalay and Rangoon last night were forced to withdraw by local residents.

Troops approaching the monasteries backed off after seeing people from the surrounding areas armed with sticks and slingshots preparing to stop them.

In Mandalay, Masoyein (Old and New), Mya Taung, Veitthudayon, Phayagyi and Dhammikarama monasteries were targeted.

Residents had heard rumours of impending raids and made preparations to thwart the security forces’ approach.

“We set up an alert system of banging pots and pans when anyone saw soldiers approaching the monastery, and we prepared ourselves with any available weapons to stop these unholy people from harassing the monks,” said a Mandalay resident.

However, despite the residents’ efforts, Pauk Myaing monastery was raided by government troops at around 7pm yesterday.

“They kicked the monks with their army boots and beat them up before arresting about 40 monks,” said another local resident.

In Rangoon, troops encountered resistance from local residents as they approached Sasana Alin Yaung, Sanana Wuntha and Min Nanda monasteries in Daw Pon and Tharkayta townships.

At Min Nanda monastery, which backs on to Pazuntaung creek, troops tried to approach from both land and water but retreated when they saw the strength of local resistance.

“There were not only Buddhist people but also Muslims, Christians and Hindus defending the monasteries,” said a resident of Tharkayta township.

A similar story has been played out in other townships in Burma, as residents take action to resist government raids on monasteries.

63. Intermittent Bystander - 28 September 2007

Local residents thwart monastery raids (from Democratic Voice of Burma in Oslo):

Sep 28, 2007 (DVB)–Army troops attempting to raid monasteries in Mandalay and Rangoon last night were forced to withdraw by local residents.

Troops approaching the monasteries backed off after seeing people from the surrounding areas armed with sticks and slingshots preparing to stop them.

In Mandalay, Masoyein (Old and New), Mya Taung, Veitthudayon, Phayagyi and Dhammikarama monasteries were targeted.

Residents had heard rumours of impending raids and made preparations to thwart the security forces’ approach.

“We set up an alert system of banging pots and pans when anyone saw soldiers approaching the monastery, and we prepared ourselves with any available weapons to stop these unholy people from harassing the monks,” said a Mandalay resident.

However, despite the residents’ efforts, Pauk Myaing monastery was raided by government troops at around 7pm yesterday.

“They kicked the monks with their army boots and beat them up before arresting about 40 monks,” said another local resident.

In Rangoon, troops encountered resistance from local residents as they approached Sasana Alin Yaung, Sanana Wuntha and Min Nanda monasteries in Daw Pon and Tharkayta townships.

At Min Nanda monastery, which backs on to Pazuntaung creek, troops tried to approach from both land and water but retreated when they saw the strength of local resistance.

“There were not only Buddhist people but also Muslims, Christians and Hindus defending the monasteries,” said a resident of Tharkayta township.

A similar story has been played out in other townships in Burma, as residents take action to resist government raids on monasteries.

64. Intermittent Bystander - 28 September 2007

Story from Oslo-based Democratic Voice of Burma in spam: Local residents thwart monastery raids.

65. Intermittent Bystander - 28 September 2007
66. Saint Shadowthief - 28 September 2007

A Japanese photojournalist was murdered by Burmese troops while photographing an anti-government protest.

And more troops for Pharoah’s Legions:

WASHINGTON — The Army’s top official called Thursday for the acceleration of a multiyear expansion of the country’s biggest fighting force, a move that probably would require radical new approaches for keeping soldiers in uniform.

Army Secretary Pete Geren said the planned expansion from its official size of 482,000 to 547,000, announced by President Bush in December as the first post-Cold War increase in U.S. forces, should be completed in four years rather than five to alleviate the strain on troops from frequent combat tours.

Defense officials planning for the increase have voiced concern over recent loosening of standards for new enlistees because of the heavy pressure to meet recruiting goals.

The new Army plan would attempt to build the larger force in a shorter time by instead moving aggressively to retain personnel.

The military has begun to consider options beyond the traditional cash bonuses and college scholarships to entice soldiers to continue service. New approaches under consideration include the promise of graduate school for young officers and the offer of educational benefits for career soldiers’ children.

The new approaches reflect the continuing fallout of the 4 1/2-year-old Iraq war. Prolonged and repeated deployments have created new stresses on troops, which have forced the Army to reevaluate how it provides for soldiers and their families.

From today’s Los Angeles Times

Let us not forget another factor in the equation: Thanks to the ruinous policies of the Bushistas and Cheneyists, the ranks of the unemployed or unemployable will soon swell, and those folks can be harvested for cannon fodder.

Black Americans, for the most part, will not join the new Army. Black recruitment is down by nearly 50%, which means the new recruits will be poor white folk from rural areas. Rural CHRISTIAN areas.

More and more, the new military will be less and less like America as a whole, and constitute a separate society unto itself. The soldiers will see themselves as not only apart from, but increasingly hostile to, the coddled civilians who send them on three and four tours of duty in the killing zones of Iraq and Afghanistan, and their resentment will grow. The ingredients for a military coup, if not the recipe.

The new Army of God is at hand. And which Pharoah will despatch them, Serena Joy or The Commander? It doesn’t really matter at this point, because American foreign policy has already been set on the track of perpetual imperial wars, and only the ruin of the American economy (which will come sooner or later) can de-rail it.

67. msxeno - 28 September 2007

Fun Fact: Patti Smith was the only “big name” from ’00 who was still with Nader in ’04.

Hey, why is it that every time I poke my head up at PFF, Mr. Stomach Flu shows up and wants to be my friend ? Is it my breath ? My loud Hawaiian shirts ? Would somebody please take the scotch and the happy pills away from his wife so she can be alert and functioning enough to come and fetch him home ?


68. JJB - 28 September 2007

Through the Arthur Silber link provided above, I ended up reading this long Nir Rosen article. Some of its concluding paragraphs seem to me worth quoting:

What will happen to Iraq? Think Mogadishu, small warlords controlling various neighborhoods, militias preying on those left behind, more powerful warlords controlling areas with resources, such as oil fields, ports, and lucrative pilgrimage routes and shrines. Irredentist Sunni militias will attempt to retake their lost land, but they will be pushed into the Anbar Province, Jordan, and Syria, where they may link up with local Islamist militants to destabilize Amman and Damascus. Some will look to fight elsewhere; unable to continue the jihad in Iraq they will find common cause with Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and others alienated from their societies and hateful of Shias. The new rump Shia statelet, including Baghdad and the South, will be quarantined by the Sunni states in the region and pushed inexorably into Iranian hands whether Shia Iraqis want this or not. It will be isolated and radicalized, and Shia militias loyal to Muqtada al Sadr, Abdul Aziz al Hakim, Muhamad al Yaqubi, and others will battle for power.

There is no “surge.” At best it can be called an ooze, a slow increase of American occupying forces by a mere 15 percent, consisting of few new soldiers and many whose terms of service have been merely extended. Yet the U.S. has doubled the size of its mission, announcing it will also take on the Shia militias as well as the Sunni ones. On the ground, that means American soldiers secure areas and then hand them over to Iraqi security forces who impose a reign of terror on the inhabitants. In the Iraqi civil war the army and police are not the solution; they are combatants, fighting on behalf of Shia-sectarian Islamist parties. The vaunted efforts to train Iraqi security forces have merely trained better death squads. The Americans continue to imprison thousands of Iraqis, and kill many others. Meanwhile, humanitarian organizations that would normally demand that the United States comply with international law and hand over imprisoned Iraqis to the “sovereign” Iraqi government are not doing so, knowing that their treatment at the hands of the government would be far worse than anything they would endure while in American captivity. The occupation is not benign. It is profoundly painful, humiliating, and lethal.

An American withdrawal would certainly lead other countries in the region, whether Turkey, Jordan, Iran, Syria, or Saudi Arabia, to increase their involvement in Iraq. It would also mean an expedited removal of Sunnis in Baghdad. But all this is happening anyway, so it doesn’t make much difference in terms of the fate of Iraq whether American military forces stay or leave.

The truth is that the American military will remain in Iraq for a long time. The large bases in Anbar Province, such as al Assad and Taqaddum are built to last, “an enduring presence,” as one Marine officer told me. Located in the remote desert, impregnable and only occasionally targeted by mortars, these bases will remain for decades. The Americans may eventually withdraw from the urban areas of Iraq, but full withdrawal, through the treacherous roads of the Anbar to Jordan, through the south past Shia militias on the way to Kuwait or even through the so-called Sunni Triangle, Samarra, and Tikrit or through Mosul to Kurdistan or Turkey, would be a withdrawal under fire and involve slaughter for the Iraqis.

The American occupation has been more disastrous than the Mongols’ sack of Baghdad in the 13th century. Iraq’s human capital has fled, its intellectuals and professionals, the educated, the moneyed classes, the political elite. They will not return. And the government is nonexistent at best. After finally succumbing to Iraqi pressure, the Americans submitted to elections but deliberately emasculated the central government and the office of the prime minister. Now Prime Minister Nuri al Maliki is the scapegoat for American failure in Iraq, and there are calls to remove him or overthrow him. But talk of a coup to replace Maliki fails to understand that he is irrelevant. Gone are the days when Baghdad was the only major city in Iraq, and whoever controlled Baghdad controlled the country. The continued focus on the theater in the Green Zone ignores the reality that events there have never determined what happens outside of it. Iraq is a collection of city states such as Baghdad, Mosul, Basra, Ramadi, Erbil, and others, each controlled by various warlords with their own militias. And the villages are entirely unprotected. Maliki will be the last prime minister of Iraq. When he is run out there will be no new elections, since they can’t be run safely and fairly anymore, and the pretense of an Iraqi state will be over.

BTW, I notice that Juan Cole thinks that one reason the Bush administration allowed the extraordinary orgy of pillage and looting that took place after our troops arrived in Baghdad was to ensure that all evidence of Reagan and Bush I administration complicity in providing Saddam with chemical weapons was destroyed. At this point, I think I’ve come around to the idea that far from being accidental, allowing virtually all traces of modern life in Iraq to be destroyed was a deliberate part of this loathsome administration’s policy.

69. ms_xeno - 28 September 2007

A smidge of good news via the Portland Boregonian:

(Andy Dworkin, 9/27/07)Drug-Free Zones end on bias issue…the city has told hundreds of citizens they can’t visit friends, go to a park or church or just wander through areas designated as drug-free zones and prostitution-free zones. Portland now has three drug-free zones — in the central city, North and Northeast and along east 82nd Avenue. The prostitution-free zones roughly overlap the central and east drug zones.

People don’t have to be convicted of a crime to get banned, a fact that has long bothered civil rights advocates. But Portland and Multnomah County have spent years and lots of money tweaking the law to keep it constitutional so police could continue use the exclusions — popular with business and neighborhood groups and copied by other cities nationwide.

The new report by consultant John Campbell follows years of criticism that the exclusions are racist and comes as support for the law has eroded on the City Council…

This fifteen year b.s. has hopefully ended for good this time.

70. marisacat - 28 September 2007

At this point, I think I’ve come around to the idea that far from being accidental, allowing virtually all traces of modern life in Iraq to be destroyed was a deliberate part of this loathsome administration’s policy.

I think everything was intentional. All of it.

Several years ago I read a long long piece at Media Transparency, the project that cursor.org maintains, that the plan was to leave Afghanistan “empty space” – and just last night via a link at Rigint (will post in a few minutes) read that it was planned (via a meeting in Rome soon after invasion) Afhganistan should have Sharia law, not democracy. This makes sense, that the plan ws for fundamentalism and continuing repression, i mean.

Within just a few months of the invasion of Afganistan, I read in the tired old NYT that refining of opium inside Afhganistan, something that had not been done on any widespread or organised manner previously, NOW was happening.

Fisk reported during the initial invasion that he observed trucks and men arrived at the baghdad library, that it ws systematic. We only protected the Oil Ministry. We knew what would happen, it had happened before (Panama) and it was good cover for us. He had a recent column of the enormous money and organisation behind the looting and the willful destruction of the many antiquity sites inside Iraq. Clearly a global business in looting… we opened the door but the world is very pleased.

If we manage to destroy/disperse the professional class of Iraq (we have) kill as many as possible (we have) create internal and external diaspora (we have) turn it too into a largely lawless land (we have) I think it was the plan. Chaos, destruction. And breaking up what might have been a formidable opponent of Israel for years to come.

I think Bush’s regime and wars and a debauched Roman senate just ripped the mask off America. For anyone missing how very lethal we are.

I notice the government is using both Feinstein and Laura to send messages about Burma. both have taped messages about how we are watching, and exhorting for democracy for Burma.

71. marisacat - 28 September 2007

A Japanese photojournalist was murdered by Burmese troops while photographing an anti-government protest.

If you look at the last photo in the post above, the Japanese journalist mentioned in Shadowthief’s comment above, he is lying on the roadway, in the right hand side of the photo.

72. ms_xeno - 28 September 2007

Well, Cheez, Golly and Gee Whiz. If Mr. Journalist had only obeyed the Godly cops in every particular, I’m sure that he would still be alive.

The other day we were out drinking w/one of mr_xeno’s childhood pals, who repeated the obey-the-law-and-all-will-be-fine mantra– straight on the heels of the funny story of how he elluded a speed trap while mildly intoxicated, then called all his friends to alert them, too.

IOW, he was smart enough to screw the law without them catching on. Subversive defiance of authority is a-okay if you don’t get caught. Open defiance, or getting caught, and it’s into the lake of clubs and pepper spray with ya’.

Going home in a few hours, and happy about it. Not to say that Pittsburgh has any more kind-hearted fools than PDX. Only that I get homesick a week away from home no matter where I’ve been vacationing.

73. Revisionist - 28 September 2007

I wondered if that was him… but the Kossian take would be he deserved it. He should have been respecting the authority figures and not involved in a rude protest.

74. marisacat - 28 September 2007

Here is the link to the article I mentioned, that Sharia law was planned, by international conference of interested parties, for Afghanistan.

While doing research on the U.S.-led Empire’s support for Muslim extremism in Iraq and Turkey, I chanced upon an important Associated Press (AP) dispatch whose contents were never made public.

Based on that AP dispatch, and some of my own research, this is what I know:

On the 16th and 17th of December, 2002, the powerful IDLO (International Development Law Organization) held a conference in Rome, ostensibly to discuss reforming the Afghan legal system.

This conference, or ‘Roundtable’ as it was called, was followed by a second conference, sponsored by the Italian government.

The AP reported that after the second conference, the director-general of the IDLO made a statement to the press. He said the conference had endorsed the use of Sharia, or Muslim religious law, as a sound basis for any modern legal system!

Nobody has published this news!

[got the link from a “Mark” comment at Rigint, following Madman’s link somewhere upthread]

I mean, we all know “democracy” is the sham.

One of the worst things I have ever listened to, was Bush at the UN thsi week.

75. colleen - 28 September 2007

If we manage to destroy/disperse the professional class of Iraq (we have) kill as many as possible (we have) create internal and external diaspora (we have) turn it too into a largely lawless land (we have) I think it was the plan. Chaos, destruction. And breaking up what might have been a formidable opponent of Israel for years to come.

Yes, I believe it was the neo-con intention to destroy their culture and replace it with some conservative wet-dream Ayn Rand would have been pleased with, complete with a slave class. What’s a few million dead people and beggaring this country in the face of that fantasy?

They really are fascists.

76. Revisionist - 28 September 2007

raimondo has a new anti dem screed up

77. JJB - 28 September 2007


They really are fascists.

Actually, that’s much too kind and modern a characterization. Their psychology seems much more like something out of the ancient world, whether that of Rome (“Carthago delenda est”), Ghengis Khan, or Tamburlane.

78. ms_xeno - 28 September 2007

I don’t know. I think I’ve experienced one too many episodes of cop/army-fetishism this week. Plus one too many episodes of justifying murder with the assertion that “those people aren’t like us,” etc.

I think I’m going to start leaning heavily on mr_xeno to reconsider our citizenship in this festering pile of a country. I really really fucking hate the fact that these are “my people.” They make me nauseous every time they open their fucking traps. >:

79. Revisionist - 28 September 2007

the hill is promoting webb for VP…. and then P

80. mattes - 28 September 2007


Have one cat…..and two visitors. All jealous of each other, so there will be no licking!!

81. Hair Club for Men - 28 September 2007

Fun Fact: Patti Smith was the only “big name” from ‘00 who was still with Nader in ‘04.

Didn’t Michael Moore apologize for supporting Nader in 2004?

82. Hair Club for Men - 28 September 2007

Of course that still doesn’t take anything away from the fact that Moore is the most effective propagandist the left has by a gargantuan margin.

83. Marie - 28 September 2007

HC #81 – Don’t think Moore supported Nader in 2004. Moore reported that towards the end of the 2000 election when it was clear that it was going to be really close, he tried to get the Nader folks to throw their support to Gore in the FL, but they wouldn’t budge. iirc many Green/Nader people in 2004 engaged in vote trading. A Kerry voter in TX would swap with a Nader voter in OH. An interesting stratgy but don’t think it got very far.

84. marisacat - 28 September 2007

new thread:


85. marisacat - 28 September 2007

Moore endorsed Clark in the primaries in ’04, so I assume he endorsed the Dem nom.

86. marisacat - 28 September 2007

I LOVED the vote trading… I would come home from work (worked til June of 00) and would drop in at the bulletin boards and web sites organised for the vote swapping. Loved reading them.

87. Hair Club for Men - 28 September 2007

Ooops. I mean he apologize in 2004 for endorsing Nader in 2000.

88. ms_xeno - 28 September 2007

I never approved of vote trading. I don’t have much faith in the honor system, if I ever did before that. Why would I believe a total stranger when they promised to vote the way I wanted them to ?

Moore just makes me roll my eyes. They all did, in ’04. I wonder where their apology is for supporting Kerry and his taser fetish. Fuckers.

The next Lefty candidate would do well to simply avoid any public alliances with celebrity big names, or intellectual big names. Clearly they are a lot of spineless wind-twisters who cannot be trusted for anything like a sustained movement. Oh, unless it’s a sustained movement to lick the boots of some DLC scumbag.

Shit, Moore would have done better to run himself rather than jumping on to the military fetish bandwagon. What a joke.

89. ms_xeno - 28 September 2007

Oh, and as to Moore begging Nader to drop out at the end of the ’00 game: The former denies anything of the sort in his book Stupid White Men. He’s full of “rah-rah-stick-it-to-’em-Ralph-for-the-kids” rhetoric. In that book. I suppose after 911 he changed his mind and jumped on the guilt bandwagon. But I honestly wonder who’s telling the truth on that score.

He should stick to movies, and stay out the business of endorsing candidates. :/

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