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What a cartoon… 4 November 2007

Posted by marisacat in Big Box Blogs, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Political Blogs, WAR!.

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I wish someone would snap together the years of quotes from this administration (and most anyone semi-upright in DC) calling Musharraf the result of some form of democracy.  The hedging, dodging and weaving – and the rampant runaway apologia for Pervez has been hilarious.

Which is not to say that we have not royally trashed the word.  We have.


I was trolling around during the night, dropping in here and there, and saw this at Informed Consent.  Gah.  I am not even sure what Juan is trying to say, but I know in a flash I don’t agree with it…

[I]t is obvious that would you actually need is a Team B that is skeptical from the Left.

Daily Kos, Talkingpointsmemo, Eschaton, many others listed below on the libads blogroll, and I, volunteer to do it for free. Is Washington listening?

First item: Let’s Team B what is being said in the released official US intelligence on Iran.

It would be easy.

Elsewhere in the nutroots… I landed on this at the head of a Garance posting at TAPPED on Hillary and the Gender Card.  I used to enjoy GFR, ’til a couple of years ago she began to suck up to the Wapo.  No other word for it…  I suppose people will suck up for years for a lifetime spot.

I’ve been busy elsewhere most of the day so will just outsource my first round of thoughts on this to Dan Balz, whose movement from straight political reporter to political analyst has been one of the most underheralded journalistic developments of the campaign cycle, and whose very fine piece you can read here, and Greg Sargent, who has a great summary of today’s back-and-forth here.

Dan Balz, who is basically a workman like reporter, formulaic and there every day.  Some veneer of hack but not too hard to digest.

Please Wapo, hire Garance, this is getting embarrassing.

Someone:  send the nutroots some funerary lilies.  They show up everyday… but the rot is fully on view.




1. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 November 2007

Memo to media, candidates: That UFO in Philly was a bullet

But in one of the saddest example of life-as-metaphor that I’ve seen in a long time, the presidential wannabees and their bizarre media inquisitors, Tim Russert and Brian Williams, stayed inside their hermetically sealed bubble of a so-called democratic (small “d”) process, completely to oblivious that the street outside Drexel University was running red with the blood of a great American city.

At 10:30 p.m. on Tuesday, a two-bit thug named Jerome Whitaker — who for some ungodly reason was allowed to walk the streets of Philly despite the fact that he killed a 6-year-old girl with a stray bullet just 13 years ago — shot three people in an SUV in Center City with a semiautomatic in a targeted hit (thankfully, no one died). When police officer Mario Santiago gave chase, Whitaker fired a shot into the headrest of the police cruiser that would have killed the 44-year-old officer had he not ducked; instead, Santiago suffered a shoulder wound.

This wasn’t a random event. The seven Democrats who want to be our president came to debate in Philly knowing full well — as did the NBC News moderators — that the city is in the middle of a murder epidemic, and the shooting of three cops in four days, the last one fatally, was the exclamation point on crisis for millions of Americans who live not just here but other large cities where murders have risen this decade.

The cop-shooter Whitaker jumped to his eventual death in the chilly Schuylkill just a few blocks from the live debate — just about when NBC’s Williams was prodding the candidates about an issue of great national importance: Why is air travel in America so gosh-darned lousy? Minutes earlier, he and Russert squeezed in a short, obligatory question about schools, but now they’d moved to the event that ended up dominating the coverage: Drivers’ licenses, in one of the 50 states, for illegal immigrants.

Yet in the last 10 minutes, there was still time to ask the candidates what they might do to help urban America control the twin problems of too many guns and too many young punks with no respect for human life. Instead we got this, directed to the candidate on stage least likely to actually become president (Dennis Kucinich):

“The godmother of your daughter, Shirley MacLaine, writes in her new book that you’ve sighted a UFO over her home in Washington state, that you found the encounter extremely moving, that it was a triangular craft silent and hovering, that you felt a connection to your heart and heard direction in your mind. Now, did you see a UFO?”’

Not only that, but the post-debate show on MSNBC with Chris Matthews then was dominated by a cross-examination of Bill Richardson on whether the New Mexico governor believes the feds are covering up the Roswell 1947 UFO incident.

Not once, in two whole hours before the American people, in a city with the most out-of-control murder problem, was any candidate asked what he could do as president to help desperate citizens do something about it. Not even for 30 lousy seconds. If Russert, Matthews & Co, really wanted to see a UFO, all the had to do was walk out into West Philly and watch the .9 mm slugs bounding around the sidewalks. As for the candidates, yes, it’s not their fault what questions they were asked on Monday, but the fact is they’ve done a also lousy job talking about crime or any other urban issues in a screwed-up election process that’s decided in some cornfield far from here.

well, it’s time to face that desperate citizens aren’t really citizens anymore, and that neither the politicians, the newsreaders nor the corporations that own them both give a fuck about the great unwashed masses. After all, there is money to be made from guns, bullets, emergency room visits, insurance to pay (or not) for those visits … money to be made from “security” products and hatred and division and declining cities stockpiled for later gentrification and from FEAR.

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 November 2007


So far, so run of the mill Democrats-showing-that-they-too-can-ramp-up-the-sleaze-to-11. But this is where it gets strange:

But while winning new friends, the industry is also gaining a reputation for making enemies that might haunt them as the political fight drags on. “These guys are not playing it well. They have hired too many people too quickly,” a senior Democratic tax staffer said. An industry lobbyist said: “A lot of good people are being hired, but some bozos too. They are trying to throw too much weight around but it is going to backfire.

“It is getting nasty: below the belt stuff; delving into people’s personal lives; crossing lines,” added the lobbyist, who was critical of colleagues but reluctant to repeat publicly allegations being made privately about lawmakers and congressional staff. People close to industry lobby groups such as the Private Equity Council and the Managed Funds Association are adamant they are not to blame for any sharp elbows thrown on Capitol Hill. Privately they tend to blame each other for black eyes to the industry’s reputation.

I may be wrong here, but it seems to me that Callan (who is an excellent and careful journalist, as best as I can tell from his previous articles) is suggesting that hedge fund lobbyists are blackmailing politicians and their aides over their personal lives, or doing the next best thing to it. Is there another plausible explanation that I’m missing here?

We’re a banana republic, only with “financial products” instead something you can eat.

3. marisacat - 4 November 2007

lst night I was reading the SFGate.com report on several killings that took place thru 19 hours, Friday into Saturday, in SF and Oakland. I saw there were quite a few comments so decided to read some.

Quite a few that called for “cleaning out” Hunters Point – Bayview with commentary about those who live in public housing. Advisories they should be barred from smoking “as they pay no rent”

and so on. One that was esp awful, got 63 “recommends”.

Not even accurate… Bayview – Hunters Point has black home ownership AND people in public housing pay a third of their income for rent and gas and electric.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 November 2007

struggling people always aim their hate at the wrong target.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 November 2007

Chris Floyd

But it seems that Silber’s greatest sin, according to Armed himself, is that “thinking like this empowers the ‘nuke Iran now’ crowd, because it drives out sensible thinking about what we might do that is neither insanely self-hating nor insanely belligerent.”

That makes perfect sense. You see, if you, as an ordinary citizen without power or influence, criticize the leaders of the greatest armed force in history for their obvious desire to attack another country for no demonstrably necessary reason of self-defense, then you — the ordinary citizen without power or influence — will be responsible, at least in part, for the carnage that follows when the leaders of the greatest armed force in history finally carry out their clear intention. And why is this? Because your impolite and impolitic writing on a blog will make “sensible liberals” and “moderate voices” look bad (by association, I guess; I confess to getting lost in the illogic at this point). And thus, the sensible, serious centrists will be unable to exercise the vast influence they have always had on the radical extremists of the Bush Administration.

You gotta go along to get along, don’t you see? So you don’t want to be standing around on street corners declaring that a pack of lying, thieving, murdering jackals who have already led your nation into one war on false pretenses are planning to do the same thing again. No, no, here’s what you want to do: you want to support canny, savvy Beltway players like the Senate Democrats, who voted unanimously to accept the Bush Regime’s mendacious and specious casus belli for war with Iran. You want to vote for things like the Kyl-Lieberman amendment, which declares Iranian government agencies “terrorist entities” directly involved in killing American soldiers, thereby rendering Iran a fit and proper target for military action under the existing authorization for action in Iraq. You want to let authorizations for arbitrary presidential dictatorship like the Military Commissions Act stay in effect.

In short, the only way to modify the behavior of lying, thieving, murdering jackals is to negotiate in good faith — sensibly, seriously, with an open mind toward all viewpoints — with those lying, thieving, murdering jackals…and then give the lying, thieving, murdering jackals everything they want. Because to do otherwise, you would have to take a baby step or two outside the groupthink of the tribe. You might have to — gulp — recognize that maybe, just maybe, not every military action launched by our leaders is uniformly and explicitly pursued solely to free others from oppression. You might have to acknowledge — with much wiggly trembling, to be sure — that the United States is not the divinely exalted apotheosis of everything good and noble…and that you are not God’s own special little sunbeam for having been born there.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 November 2007

Straight eye for the queer guy

This focus on Donnie McClurkin comes to you thanks to Obama’s run for the presidency and politics as usual in A-merry-ca. Seems Obama has joined Donnie and some others on a gospel tour to help him lock down that very important black church vote. But a funny thing happened on the way to the rapture. It seems a few gay advocacy groups and left wing bloggers dug up some alleged homophobic statements by Reverend Donnie, and now Obama has some explaining to do. “The gloves are off and if there is going to be a war there’s going to be a war. But it will be a war with a purpose. I’m not in the mood to play with those who are trying to kill our children” That was Donnie on the gay agenda. Not very nice words there Donnie, no wonder some of those folks are mad at you.

Now let me be clear, I wouldn’t have been a fan of Donnie McClurkin if he hadn’t made these ignorant ass statements about homosexuality. He lost me when he sang at the Republican Convention in 2004, and when he basically supported the republican agenda in the 04 elections with his bigoted stance on the gay rights issue. Having said that, this whole thing with Obama is bullshit and people just need to chill. I mean what the fuck? So some homophobic preacher who is struggling with his own sexuality endorses him. Does that mean that we paint Obama with the same broad brush? Or play three degrees of separation with every fucking supporter or contributor to his campaign? Of course not. We should do that no more than we would if the Catholic League endorsed him for president. And we all know about those well behaved catholic priests now don’t we. No wonder us poor black folks think a black man just can’t get a break in A-merry-ca. I mean he runs for president, and they look for all types of bullshit to bring him down with. Of course, if we as black folks weren’t so ass backwards when it comes to some of these issues this wouldn’t have been a problem in the first place. But sadly, wherever you have hypocrisy you are going to have problems. Black people let’s talk: When half of the fucking choir every Sunday morning is just like Reverend Donnie, you have no right to be denouncing any ones personal behavior. You just worry about your own personal salvation and whatever you have to do to get it; and let the big guy upstairs worry about the gay guy singing in the alto section.

7. marisacat - 4 November 2007


Can I say again, not for any of this group NOR for any of their endorsers, supporters and fundraisers. Gay bashing evangelicals OR the Catholic Church.

What a sick joke it all is.

HOWEVER< I just thought McClurkin was hired on for this specious sing a long hootenany that is touring 3 states – without Obama even along. Didi not realise he has formally endorsed Obama-Rama.

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 November 2007

the whole thing has been kind of silly. Yes, he was dumb for connecting his campaign to this odious self-loathing bigot, but I’m MUCH more concerned with all of the corporate money he and the other candidates accept. AIPAC is a much bigger threat than that stupid homophobe.

9. marisacat - 4 November 2007

well McClurkin is preaching hate. Aside from being yET ANOTHER fucked hypocrite. Now if he wants to do that, build a fucked bucks for Donnie churchette out on LI, so what.

But Obama smeared hismelf with it, for, I believe, strategic reasons.

It is also IMO a problme that Obama is a weak prattling sell out. Toobin seems sure Hillary will put hom on the SC, where I am sure he will list conservative (should that happen) and surely join up with the Catholic Kennedy rather than with Breyer or Ginsburg.

I find them all reprehensible and reptilian.

10. marisacat - 4 November 2007

I think Hillary played the gender card, and CERTAINLY Penn did so on her behalf (and to raise money) and probably for strategic reasons with some of her supporters… (we’ll know in the next polling)

but Michelman signed on with Edwards many months ago. And sure did a lousy job for abortion rights, across the years, all things considered. Even managing a back door endorse of Casey in PA.

if it quacks like a duck…………..

11. Hair Club for Men - 4 November 2007

AIPAC is a much bigger threat than that stupid homophobe.

Yeah but nobody would ever confuse Obama with Norman Finkelstein.

12. Hair Club for Men - 4 November 2007

But Obama smeared hismelf with it, for, I believe, strategic reasons.

Yep. I thought it was just stupidity when he chose McClurkin but when he tacked to the right on Social Security it was clear that he’s trying to send a message.

1.) To my African American homies: I’m not just another Ivy League Buppie who shops at Whole Foods and cheats on his wife with Samantha Power. I’m a real down home homo hatin playa just like y’all.

2.) To my good friends at the DLC: I’m not the candidate of the netroots or of liberal activists. Watch as I make them scream like stuck pigs on the one big issue they credit themselves with having beat you guys on.

13. Hair Club for Men - 4 November 2007

or to boil the previous down

Obama to Joe Lieberman: I’m your girl.

14. marisacat - 4 November 2007

obama also flat out said ‘NO” to a voter this week, in Iowa I think… to something that (it is reported and I did not go back to find wording or context) that Gore supported in 00… a minimum SS benefit for women who either care for a fmaily or lose years due to child rearing/bearing.

Gore apparently pegged it about 600/mo… which I know is what is given to elderly immigrants, many of whom have never worked (last I checked it ws pegged at SS Disability min, about 550). It is a sheer stave off homelessness and abandonement gambit.

I have long argued that what we give to immigrants we should grant to US born citizens, a minimum SS benefit.

So for me, Obama comes up short over and over and over and over. As do the others.

15. Hair Club for Men - 4 November 2007

Note: Unlike Bush or some of the Republicans, I don’t think Hillary, Obama and Edwards are crazy. They’re just ambitious, ambitious enough to go through all the motions the crazy system wants them too.

I also think all three are mediocrities who are running mainly on vanity. Hillary wants to be the first woman president. Obama wants to be the first black president. Edwards is the son of a mill worker who made good.

Three vain mediocrities who don’t even represent the best of a horrible political party. The Democrats best people, the ones with any stature at all (Gore and Feingold) are staying the hell out of it.

16. BooHooHooMan - 4 November 2007

yeh well — with Mush – — George Washington, he ain’t….

Now, after a half post modern / post nuclear century, a clear lesson has been beat into the heads of would be nation states emerging in the developing world. Yet we are surprised so Many have seemed to miss what we thought was the requisite, even attractive parenthetical: Arm (and ally with the West) or Die.

So what are the prospects? I wonder if Sunblock, you know the really good, won’t wash off UV protection might help with nuclear fallout born on the winds. But what a short exceptionalist memory I have: This would be a repeat for me as I happened to be within eyesight of Three Mile Island when the accident occurred….[you can see the cooling towers from the Bridge by Harrisburg and the low hills along the Susquehanna nearby] Thus, I am reminded that so far, everyone else except the US and Moscow has been “responsible” (cough,cough) with their kewl, glow-in the-dark-and-into-the-ever-after half-life nukey bric a brac….

Not looking good over there….Of course, any American should know what we’re looking at….Pakistan is but an extropolated reflection of ourselves.

Whack job militias, peculiar sect upon factional sects, massive corruption and hijacking of State resources… Sheeyat looks like home! …The quite possibly radioactive shape of things to come…

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 November 2007

Mike the Mad Biologist linked to this fascinating gearhead who has been building much cleaner, fuel-efficient engines for big American cars:

wo years ago, Goodwin got a rare chance to show off his tricks to some of the car industry’s most prominent engineers. He tells me the story: He was driving a converted H2 to the SEMA show, the nation’s biggest annual specialty automotive confab, and stopped en route at a Denver hotel. When he woke up in the morning, there were 20 people standing around his Hummer. Did I run over somebody? he wondered. As it turned out, they were engineers for GM, the Hummer’s manufacturer. They noticed that Goodwin’s H2 looked modified. “Does it have a diesel engine in it?”

“Yeah,” he said.

“No way,” they replied.

He opened the hood, “and they’re just all in and out and around the valves and checking it out,” he says. They asked to hear it run, sending a stab of fear through Goodwin. He’d filled it up with grease from a Chinese restaurant the day before and was worried that the cold morning might have solidified the fuel. But it started up on the first try and ran so quietly that at first they didn’t believe it was really on. “When you start a diesel engine up on vegetable oil,” Goodwin says, “you turn the key, and you hear nothing. Because of the lubricating power of the oil, it’s just so smooth. Whisper quiet. And they’re like, ‘Is it running? Yeah, you can hear the fan going.'”

One engineer turned and said, “GM said this wouldn’t work.”

“Well,” Goodwin replied, “here it is.”

Goodwin’s feats of engineering have become gradually more visible over the past year. Last summer, Imperium Renewables contacted MTV’s show Pimp My Ride about creating an Earth Day special in which Goodwin would convert a muscle car to run on biodiesel. The show chose a ’65 Chevy Impala, and when the conversion was done, he’d doubled its mileage to 25 mpg and increased its pull from 250 to 800 horsepower. As a stunt, MTV drag-raced the Impala against a Lamborghini on California’s Pomona Raceway. “The Impala blew the Lamborghini away,” says Kevin Kluemper, the lead calibration engineer for GM’s Allison transmission unit, who’d flown down to help with the conversion. Schwarzenegger, who was on the set that day, asked Goodwin on the spot to convert his Wagoneer to biodiesel.

For his part, Goodwin argues he’s merely “a problem solver. Most people try to make things more complicated than they are.” He speaks of the major carmakers with a sort of mild disdain: If he can piece together cleaner vehicles out of existing GM parts and a bit of hot-rod elbow grease, why can’t they bake that kind of ingenuity into their production lines? Prod him enough on the subject and his mellowness peels away, revealing a guy fired by an almost manic frustration. “Everybody should be driving a plug-in vehicle right now,” he complains, in one of his laconic engineering lectures, as we wander through the blistering Kansas heat to a nearby Mexican restaurant. “I can go next door to Ace Hardware and buy a DC electric motor, go out to my four-wheel-drive truck, remove the transmission and engine, bolt the electric motor onto the back of the transfer case, put a series of lead-acid batteries up to 240 volts in the back of the bed, and we’re good to go. I guarantee you I could drive all around town and do whatever I need, go home at night, and hook up a couple of battery chargers, plug one into an outlet, and be good to go the next day.

“Detroit could do all this stuff overnight if it wanted to,” he adds.

18. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 November 2007
19. marisacat - 4 November 2007


Just found the Chris Floyd comment in Spam… it is a little ways up there … 😉

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 November 2007


21. Madman in the Marketplace - 4 November 2007

Suffering ‘Secondary Trauma’

As psychotherapist Gary Greenberg wrote in an essay in the May 2007 Harper’s, “[T]hese days my native pessimism was feasting on a surfeit of bad news—my country taken over by thugs, the calamity of capitalism more apparent every day, environmental cataclysm edging from the wings to center stage.”

This concept that individual mental suffering can, indeed, be closely linked to our social and political environments, is at the center of clinical psychologist Bruce Levine’s new book, Surviving America’s Depression Epidemic: How to Find Morale, Energy and Community in a World Gone Crazy (Chelsea Green). Levine is a longtime critic of the marketing and manipulation of mental illnesses by Big Pharma. For Levine, the extent of mental suffering in the United States is not in question. What is questionable, Levine says, is the notion that depression is disconnected from the political economy and from the meaninglessness of a self-absorbed consumer culture.

Levine criticizes the notion that depression can simply be medicated away with adjustments in serotonin and/or dopamine levels. Levine also sets his sights on the idea that happiness can be bought, even the idea that happiness is a desirable state of being. From this perspective, it’s not hard to see that while states of ecstasy, love and joy are one thing, our society’s relentless “be happy” sloganeering is devoid of any real meaning or lasting application.

“All stigmatizing of frightening natural human experiences is good for a consumer culture,” says Levine, “because labeling something as weak, sick or diseased results in buying of more products to shut down that experience, or divert or distract ourselves from it.”

In a world plagued by social ills, Levine argues that insisting on normative happiness alienates us from each other to an even greater extent.

22. wu ming - 4 November 2007

on that noise pollution story from last thread –

like ms_xeno, i get unnerved by too much peace and quiet, it makes me listen nervously. i like a low level of noise.

what crossed the line, though, was living in chinese/taiwanese cities, where people have a far, far greater tolerance for noise. the absolute worst, though, was living in an apartment tower in beijing that was still partially under construction when we moved in. nothing like waking up at 7am saturday morning to the sound of someone jackhammering the concrete wall just behind one’s head, after a night of drinking.

takes years off your life.

23. Intermittent Bystander - 4 November 2007

Madman at 21 – So true. As is the last line of the piece: no matter how strong, dedicated or talented, not a single one of us is equipped to bear this world’s madness on our own.


Reuters update on Mushistan: U.S pressures Musharraf as Pakistani lawyers protest.

So far, the Ricely “pressure” sounded like a muffled “tsk, tsk,” and a threat to review what little financial aid doesn’t directly concern Warren Terra, but in the streets, things could get even trickier, tomorrow.

Despite the detentions, a lawyers’ movement that led the fight against Musharraf when he tried to sack the country’s top judge earlier this year, was planning protests in front of courts in most major cities.

24. mattes - 4 November 2007

My new blog, hope some of you will visit:

Escape to Mexico

Possibly a simpler and healthier life.

My timing….not so good!

25. Intermittent Bystander - 4 November 2007

mattes – What are your impressions of the flood relief efforts, so far?
From accounts in the Christian Science Monitor, Houston Chronicle, and BBC witness blog, it sure sounds like government and citizen volunteers are fully mobilized, continuing airlifts, and getting supplies and refugees moving as best they can. I know communications with Tabasco state are pretty iffy right now, but can you recommend any English-language news sources in Mexico for checking in on the situation there?

26. Intermittent Bystander - 4 November 2007

From earthtimes (UK):

Some 80,000 people in 17 towns remained isolated by the floods. Most of them were out of reach for rescue teams and would have to wait for help until the water level falls, the Mexican Navy said earlier.

Rescue efforts were difficult, particularly in remote areas, said Admiral Sergio Javier Lara, Navy commander in Villahermosa, after flying over the affected regions.

Helicopters cannot land on the roofs of houses, and there are not enough boats and amphibious vehicles to allow rescue teams to reach people closed in by the floods, Lara said.

Calderon also called for foreign assistance in the face of the flooding.

In the capital of Tabasco, which according to authorities was the worst affected city, thousands of people continued to seek refuge Sunday in overcrowded emergency accommodations. And thousands more continued to leave the affected areas for the neighbouring states of Campeche and Veracruz.

However, tens of thousands of people remained on rooftops in the centre of Villahermosa, as they have for several days.

Local press reports said thousands of others were on the streets after being turned down in their search for emergency accommodation.

Food and other donations were being collected across Mexico to send to the affected regions.

Although Calderon ordered the country’s security forces to protect the areas, scores of people plundered stores in their search for food. By late Saturday, 35 alleged looters had been arrested.

More than 1 million people in Tabasco have suffered damage to their homes or been forced to flee amid statewide flooding, set off by severe rains. Many flood victims have lost everything they own.

The latest AP story has the official death count at only 10: Food, water running low on Mexican coast.

27. Intermittent Bystander - 4 November 2007
28. Intermittent Bystander - 4 November 2007

El Universal photo links in spam.

29. melvin - 4 November 2007

Meteor Blades announces he is withholding taxes in protest against the war. And is roundly attacked by the dk rabble:

You are misguided
As much as this is war is a stupid, useless waste, there is NOTHING about it that gives you the right, moral or otherwise, to withhold your taxes. Rule of law must be maintained, and when you with hold taxes, you undermine the legitimacy and stability of the country.
as an administrator should you be doing this here?
With holding taxes gives your (our) position an aura of radicalism and delegitimizes our arguments and nothing could be worse for making changes happen in the only ways they ultimately can or should happen – the legal ways.

So we can\’t act, because that would give our position an aura of radicalism. it would paint us as the kind of people who are actually willing to do something besides type? In the short time I have been absent from the hole it has moved a hundred miles to the right. Even a frontpager\’s symbolic protest has to be condemned as the wrong framing, as giving opposition a bad name?

Opposition to what? Do they even remember? There was a post some time back by Unitary Moonbat about the Greens and the Blues of Byzantium, rioting in the streets over they knew not what, except that they were blue and not green, or green and not blue. No one at dk any longer clearheaded enough to take UM\’s hint.

(I don\’t understand how I got stuck in this proxy server. Most inconvenient.)

30. melvin - 4 November 2007

Oh just listen to the stupid cow:

Thanks for writing this. (5+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
srkp23, AbsurdEyes, Mother Mags, la urracca, gatorbot

I\’ve been contemplating tax resistance as a possibility, based on a vague memory of hearing my parents did something similar during Vietnam. Something to discuss with them, I suppose.

by MissLaura on Sun Nov 04, 2007 at 10:38:48 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

Yes, I suppose so, you fucking moron.

31. marisacat - 4 November 2007

LOL MB breaks out. But did he ask Kos and DHinMI?

Or, perhaps they decided they needed a bete noir

The place is so colonial.

32. marisacat - 4 November 2007

Can she be more passive?

33. Miss Devore - 5 November 2007

{waves to melvin}

wait until the phalloships at dk strike for higher compensation.

34. marisacat - 5 November 2007

thread… 😉


35. mattes - 5 November 2007

#25 IB—I get news reports from yahoo news. So far I have yet to find a Mexican newspaper in english…I know they exist.

There seems to be very little news on CNN, you’d think if they don’t care that much about Mexicans…they’d at least care about the oil facilities there.

It’s a very poor area, which makes me wonder why the locals there are not seeing the benefits of the oil industry on their land.

36. mattes - 5 November 2007

#25–IB—found this:

37. ms_xeno - 5 November 2007

The Bovine Anti-Defamation would like to publically deplore any connection with the above mentioned Kozzie. Knock it off or no more ice cream. :p

As for #5, I think I’m in love.

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