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Tension 14 November 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, California / Pacific Coast, DC Politics, San Francisco, WAR!.

   The Birds (1963) 

Not sure what the official take on The Birds was, but it certainly seemed to me to be some sort of psychological trance… people trapped inside it.  Much bloodletting of pale human flesh, from claw and beak.  Up at Bodega Bay… in Western Marin, on the ocean.

2 television channels have fallen to just telling us over and over the “saga of the birds”… in a safe way, saving them, washing them, etc.  Adding that “no more volunteers are needed”…

However, the CBS affiliate today took a crew to Point Richmond, over in the East Bay, around Albany, N of Oakland and Berkeley… the beach, which is narrow, mostly rocks, is soaked.  Birds began arriving a few days ago, soaked and trying to clean themselves.  A few dead but most hanging on.  No cleaners in view, and those who try to volunteer, step onto the rocky shoreline and DO something, are told “illegal”… CBS also reported that the 800 numbers displayed at beaches as the number to call to report birds in trouble is wrong.  They spent a few minutes at each beach they were at to post the correct number.  CBS affiliate also said the big bird washing facility does need help, people to do laundry, prepare the food they feed the birds who must eat every 4 hours and other necessary chores…

 Perhaps the other affiliates catch up in the am… afterall:

 Obama is Here!  He was at Google!

VOTE, it is your civic duty!  Show up!  Be counted!  Fall in line!  Forget you ever fell in love!  Be pragmatic!  The Perfect is the enemy of the Good!  Pure Troll!  Concern Troll!  Change is Incremental!  Work from Within!  You have no Choice!


Has anything gone right? Other than citizens stepping up, commiting civil disobedience by attempting to rescue birds, remove oil from their beaches, try to help… other than grass roots being ready to go on the ground, lithe and flexible, smart and in the mix… other than that: No.

The crew of the container ship that hit the Bay Bridge and spilled 58,000 gallons of oil into San Francisco Bay last week was not tested for drugs until 53 hours after the incident, a delay that violates federal law, federal investigators said today.

National Transportation Safety Board spokeswoman Debbie Hersman also said today that a radar technician hired by the board found the ship’s radar and electronic charting systems “performing as expected.”

The news came on the same day that it was announced that the Coast Guard officer overseeing the response to last week’s oil spill has been replaced.

The agency has been criticized for a lapse of several hours between when officials knew the spill was 58,000 gallons – not 140 gallons as initially reported – and when that information was made public.

Coast Guard Commandant Admiral Thad Allen announced the move at a hearing on Capitol Hill. Captain William Uberti, the Coast Guard commander for the bay region, had been overseeing the agency’s response to the spill. He’ll be replaced by Captain Paul Gugg.

I feel an utter fool, Saturday, reading of Bolinas, Stinson Beach, Pt Reyes, I landed on a reference to oil at a small beach up there in western Marin, Agate Beach, and remembered being at that beach as a small child and nearly burst into tears…

Alcohol testing was done on the ship’s pilot, captain and crew just within or slightly after the legal requirement, according to Coast Guard Rear Admiral Craig Bone. But six crew members involved in navigational activities were not tested for drugs within the 32-hour limit. He said Coast Guard officials had to order the drug testing after they learned it was not complete. All alcohol tests have shown none of the crew, captain or pilot had alcohol in their system.

Well, as Arnold blurted at his presser last week:  We know alcohol was involved…  

Of course, unlike NO, we have our homes, ’til a big, big East Bay quake comes (they keep telling us the Hayward Fault is due to blow next year…), we all have that. 

Except for those who have lost the big gamble to sub-prime crimes.

And to think, many millions will vote in 51 or so weeks and security – a security to be provided by political leadership will determine their vote.

We are lost in a fiction.




1. BooHooHooMan - 14 November 2007

This Essay?
Marisacat at her Best.

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 November 2007

how strange is it that VOLUNTEERING is now a form of civil disobedience?

Oh, I know, because it’s not being filtered through a con RECOGNIZED AND APPROVED tied in org! Is there an American Red Cross for cleaning goo off of sand and birds?

this culture is so fucked.

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 November 2007
4. Hair Club for Men - 14 November 2007

Speaking of Ron Paul, I’m already ahead of you by one smear.

Looking around some of the “centrist” Dem blogs I’ve found out that they’re lining up a “Dennis Kucinich has ties to the New Alliance Party” attack, should Kucinich ever get the traction Paul’s getting now.

The “Dennis saw a UFO” bit was only a shot across the bow.

Face it, this is not about Ron Paul. This is about a political/media funnel/system of gatekeeping that makes it impossible for any candidate with any real opinions about anything not to get smeared.

And so we get Hillary Clinton talking about how much she likes Spitzer’s drivers license program one week and her talking about how she would never, ever give immigrants drivers licenses the next.

Raimondo is right about Neiwert. The man is a serious cretin one step away from Glenn Beck. The idea that you can go to a rally, take a few photos of some of the worst people there and post it to the internet as a “news story” is neocon smear 101.

Should Obama win the nomination, look for much worst directed at him. Should ANY Muslim organization that has ANY ties to ANYTHING questionable write Obama a check for 100 bucks, then Barack *Husein* Obama is going to be toasted alive by Michelle Malkin and LGF.

I know you enjoy it, but it drives me nuts that “liberals” don’t see any of this.

And for what it’s worth, if Nazis want to send me money, I’ll give them my paypal account. American money all has pictures of slaveowners on it anyway.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 November 2007

A huge Cat 5 cyclone is supposed to hit Bangladesh tomorrow (the 15th … just in case it’s ALREADY tomorrow for you).

Not that the media is noticing.

6. Hair Club for Men - 14 November 2007

Are you really going to take Niewert seriously after he says stuff like this?


I suppose that, after winning a couple of way-cool Koufaxes for two different essays involving fascism, it’d be fair for people to ask if I have kind of a, you know, thing about the subject.

7. Hair Club for Men - 14 November 2007

Not that the media is noticing.

First I’ve heard of it. Are we taking Christmas 2004 Tsunami levels of destruction?

8. marisacat - 14 November 2007

And so we get Hillary Clinton talking about how much she likes Spitzer’s drivers license program one week and her talking about how she would never, ever give immigrants drivers licenses the next. — HC

Apprently part of the chill on it all, is that SF approved an ID for anyone in the city, legal or otherwise, just this week. Bd of Supes. Following a plan that New haven CT adopted not too long ago…

mainly so people can open bank accounts. The story is that all local banks are on board iwth it, it is done in conjuction with some sort of CA governmetn outreach. With out imprimatur on an ID, that is not Real ID, it is now poison. And thsu Sptizer’s unequivocal walk away today (I heard the speech)

We must be witches and warlocks out here. Or something.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 November 2007

well, Paul’s ties to the nativists go back years, even if you’re right and Neiwert has overblown them … frankly I don’t care enough to look real hard, because I KNOW that he looks at women as wombs-on-legs, which is an automatic disqualifier for me.

Oh, and speaking of nuts, PZ Myers has some fun w/ Purdue’s little raindance:

I keep hearing about the sophistication of faith, and how we arrogant atheists underestimate the measure of reason in modern religion, and then Sonny Perdue and his voters show up and expose themselves for the patent, credulous fools they are. Christians, you should be embarrassed. There’s the face of your belief: a stupid old man begging an invisible cosmic muffin to grant him a wish, with a surrounding mob chanting their approval of their shared inanity.

Please don’t try to tell me how cultured and civilized and refined christianity is. At its core, it’s crude, ignorant comedy, promulgated by the most blindly deluded members of society.

10. Hair Club for Men - 14 November 2007

mainly so people can open bank accounts.

FWIW, you can’t open a bank account in New York City with a driver’s license. You need a phone bill or a utility bill.

Anybody who’s subletted in Manhattan is sadly aware of this fact.

Chris Matthews on MSNBC is heavily pushing the case for a national ID card.

I think it’s a bad idea. No retina scans for me.

11. marisacat - 14 November 2007

oh and we just officially got rid of ROTC in the HSs too. Something that Gavin said made him “embarrassed” last year when ti got rolling. He said it made us “look” unpatriotic.

God knows we must worry how we look.

12. Hair Club for Men - 14 November 2007

well, Paul’s ties to the nativists go back years, even if you’re right and Neiwert has overblown them … frankly I don’t care enough to look real hard, because I KNOW that he looks at women as wombs-on-legs, which is an automatic disqualifier for me

But once again, this is not about Ron Paul. This is about disciplining the Democratic Party rank and file, about setting up a climate where people are too intimidated to challenge them on the war.

Neiwert’s really too dumb to see it. But it’s there, the giant ideolgoical funnel that says “be boring or be a Nazi”.

13. marisacat - 14 November 2007

phone bill and or utility bill and some sort of picture ID is mostly what people want here, as well.

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 November 2007

Are we taking Christmas 2004 Tsunami levels of destruction?

Hard to say. Here’s a link from the blog Myers referenced:

Because Bangladesh is one of the low-laying regions most at risk from sea level rise, as a marine biologist I’m all too familiar with how vulnerable it is to flooding and storm surges. It’s also one of the most densely populated countries and – as Chris has expressed – I fear this storm may be a worst case scenario. It’s my sincere hope that we’re mistaken.

another post links to the Joint Typhoon Warning Center. It’s a big storm.

15. Hair Club for Men - 14 November 2007

phone bill and or utility bill and some sort of picture ID is mostly what people want here, as well.

And if you don’t have it it’s the check cashing place for you.

Fortunately though if you’re in this position you probably don’t have a lot of extra money to worry about having to hide it under the bed.

16. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 November 2007

This is about disciplining the Democratic Party rank and file

Oh, I agree. I’m just about truth in advertising, and there is some truth to the charges leveled against him. I just want people to know who they’re championing. Hell, Nader was an asshole on Schiavo in FL, and on some other issues (and I want to ram that “Traditions” book up his ass), but I still support him.

People should know the truth about people, quit trying to make them into heroes or champions in shining armor astride noble steeds. They always make a really frightful clatter when they fall off.

17. marisacat - 14 November 2007

there is also the 7.7 quake in Chile that Miss D posted to the alst thread. I have not made to the FP of CNN to check yet…

18. Hair Club for Men - 14 November 2007

Oh, I agree. I’m just about truth in advertising, and there is some truth to the charges leveled against him.

It’s actually a marriage made in hell. Both sides are using the other. Neiwert and the Hillaryites are using Paul to strut their stuff as ideological enforcers. Anybody who reads Kos diaries knows the drill. The Paul campaign on the other hand is using the Hillaryites to pump themselves up into the media and onto the big mainstream blogs. That 500 bucks from Don Black is just Donny McLurkin in Nazi drag. Paul’s just better at playing this game than Obama.

The trick for me will be to avoid being “disciplined” when it’s Rudy vs. Hillary. As scary as I find Rudy, I have to realize that once the race is about Rudy vs. Hillary, it’s not about individual personalities. It’s about the people behind the scenes who set the rules and how completely they’ve won. And the trick is to stay out of the game altogether.

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 November 2007

Reuters India:

The British storm tracking system — Tropical Storm Risk — has described the storm as category 4, with windspeeds of up to 250 km per hour.

It was likely to weaken to a category 3 storm by Thursday, losing some speed and ferocity, the TSR said in its latest forecast.

But meteorology officials in Bangladesh said the cyclone could still be very devastating.

Nearly 10 million Bangladeshis live in vulnerable points along the coast, but there are storm shelters for only half a million people, a disaster management official said.

Storms batter the poor south Asian country every year, killing hundreds of people. A severe cyclone killed more than half a million people in 1970, while a 1991 storm killed 143,000 people and destroyed thousands of homes, mostly because of a devastating tidal surge.

“This is a very serious cyclone,” said B.P. Yadav, director of the India Meteorological Department, adding that he expected the storm to cross the coast of Bangladesh and the neighbouring West Bengal by Friday morning, near Sagar Island.

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 November 2007

And the trick is to stay out of the game altogether.


21. marisacat - 14 November 2007

And the trick is to stay out of the game altogether.
— HC

Right. I won’t reinforce the game. Too lethal.

22. Hair Club for Men - 14 November 2007

And when it comes down to the point that a candidate with ties to the militia movement not only appears better than the more mainstream candidates but actually *is* a better choice than the frontrunners, it’s time to recognize how rigged the whole system is.

The propganda is so sophisticated, the ideological funnels and gates so well put together, the intimdation so complete that dissent is supressed so completely that the repressed can only return in the form of a rigidly ideological libertarian, a guy who sees UFOs, and an ex Senator from Alaska who’s been out of politics for 30 years.

We really have arrived in a bloodless version White Rose era Nazi Germany. It’s the Jehovahs Witnesses or Hitler.

23. marisacat - 14 November 2007

well I don’t see Ron Paul as “better than the frontrunners”.

The ENTIRE shitty game, top to bottom is a mugs game.

I sure don’t want Ron Paul running the government. IIRC he has pinche tejano’s vote. And a lot of ground glass served up as standard issue uglier than thou misogyny on offer.

I am not interested in RP and his policies, opinions and hideous take on abortion NOR interested in a Democrat who will reinforce war.

I jsut don’t see the difference.

24. wu ming - 14 November 2007

takes different butterfly nets for different types.

at least gravel did something of lasting value once in his political life.

25. wu ming - 14 November 2007

jeff masters at weather underground says that the storm surge could be as high as 30-40 feet, because of the geography, even if the storm intensity drops before landfall.

nearly all of bangladesh is lower than 40 feet elevation, with the most populated parts in the ganges delta and dhaka at less than 8 or 10 feet.

and then the floodwaters will drain back down through the same area.


i wonder how calcutta will fare, it’s right next door, but not in the same river drainage system.

26. marisacat - 15 November 2007

The Official list… and just as a fly weight civilian I can read that this did not go well. They really wanted to reopen (and in fact did for a day or so) Chrissy Field, which is down at the Marina District of SF… at the Yacht Club with a small protected beach at the end of the boat slips, at the end of a big grassy dog walk area…

This is a mess.

Public Affairs
USCG District 11
Alameda, Calif.,

Bay Area Beach Closures Nov. 14, 2007

Bay Area Beach Closures Nov. 14, 2007

Clipper Cove Beach, T.I.
Aquatic Park (Booms in place)
SF Municipal Pier
Ft. Point
Baker Beach (Heavy Oil)
China Beach (Light Oil)
Ft. Baker
Mile Rock Beach
Kirby Cove (Heavy Oil)
Rodeo Beach (Heavy Oil)
Tennesee Valley
Muir Beach (Heavy Oil)
Angel Island (Heavy Oil)
Keller Beach
Ferry Point
Point Isabel
Baxter Creek to Lucretia Edwards Park
Coastal Access point to Cliffside; Pt. Richmond
Middle Harbor Regional Park
Steep Ravine Beach (Mt. Tamalpais)
Red Rock Beach (Mt. Tamalpais)
Crissy Field Beach (booms in place)
Stinson Beach
Ocean Beach is closed from Lincoln Avenue to the South end of Ft. Funston Beach *
Linda Mar Beach
Rockaway Beach
Sharp Park Beach

San Francisco Piers 1-39 Booms in place

The more I think about it, the sea lions were likely photographed at Angel Island. It has rocky walls, small coves and beaches… which is what I saw that am. It is not on the list tho last I heard the island, the state park that is, was open but the beaches were closed.

* late in the day Ocean Beach is now fully closed.

27. marisacat - 15 November 2007

24 – wu ming

well granny d who took gravel around when he first came down from Alaska a few months ago… almost a year ago now… granny d is persona non grata at Dkos. her sort of direct, shake your fist in their face populism just would not go over at Kos. and a long time ago she did do the odd diary there.

28. marisacat - 15 November 2007


Dungeness crab season begins despite oil spill worries

By TERENCE CHEA Associated Press Writers
Article Launched: 11/15/2007 01:00:21 AM PST

SAN FRANCISCO—The region’s Dungeness crab season opened as scheduled Thursday amid health concerns by local fisherman who wanted an all-out fishing ban as clean-up efforts continued on last week’s oil spill.

Despite the request to suspend all commercial and sport fishing for at least 2 1/2 weeks, the state announced Wednesday that only San Francisco Bay and three miles of Pacific coast from Point Reyes down to San Mateo County would be closed. That left most of the commercial Dungeness crab fishery open, prompting fears that even one contaminated crustacean could hurt the entire market.

“This is an absolute disaster,” said Larry Collins, who heads the San Francisco Crab Boat Owners Association. “We’re all stunned. It’s absolutely irresponsible.”

Miles of beaches remained closed after the Hong Kong-based Cosco Busan struck the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge in heavy fog on Nov. 7, spilling 58,000 gallons of oil into the bay.

My sense is there was immense pressure from the sellers, the Golden Gate Restaurateurs Association. I dunno something killed those sea lions and did it fast…

That slick continued to worry crabbers as they prepared to lay out their traps.

Many of the fishermen who requested the fishing ban will go ahead with the harvest because they worry that if they wait their competitors will haul away all the crab, said Zeke Grader, who heads the Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen’s Associations.

Fishermen will not be able to unload crabs in San Francisco, but they can still deliver their catch to buyers in Half Moon Bay or Bodega Bay, officials said.

Fish and Game spokesman Steve Martarano said his agency consulted with all sectors of the fishing industry before deciding which areas should be closed.

“All of us were concerned about the human health issue,” Martarano said. “There was a wide range of opinion, and we took everything into consideration.”

29. marisacat - 15 November 2007

off the CNN wire:

Category 5 Sidr closes on India-Bangladesh coast

(CNN) — Powerful Tropical cyclone Sidr churned north through the Bay of Bengal Thursday, setting its eye on an expected landfall late in the day near the India-Bangladesh border, the Joint Typhoon Warning Center reported.

At 3 p.m. local time (4 a.m. ET), the Category 5 storm was about 230 miles south-southeast of Kolkata, India and was kicking up maximum sustained winds of 155 mph, with gusts to 190 mph. Category 5 is the highest level on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale.

Because of its low-lying terrain and isolated coastal villages, the population of Bangladesh is extremely susceptible to the storm surge Sidr is expected to bring. (Posted 5:09 a.m.)

30. marisacat - 15 November 2007

SF Bay Guardian has a round up editorial on the crash.

•It’s no secret where the fuel tanks are in a ship like this. The moment the ship took a gash that size in the hull, the authorities should have assumed that a sizable and extremely dangerous spill was in the works and begun immediate emergency containment procedures. But somehow just about everyone seemed to believe the initial reports that the crew of the ship had transferred the fuel away from the hole and only a trivial amount had escaped.

Remember, we’re talking about a rip of 100 feet, one-eighth the length of the ship, right in the part of the hull where half a million gallons of nasty bunker fuel were stored. Emergency responders should have known a spill was inevitable and gone into action right away.

OK, that’s it. I am betting the spill is much bigger than 58K — Mcat

Yet hours passed. No public warning was issued. Bay swimmers continued to take their morning natations — and some came back covered with oil. Nobody knew what was going on.

31. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

at least gravel did something of lasting value once in his political life.

Well, I’d say three times, at least:

Ending the draft, helping release the Pentagon Papers and taking some chunks out of Hillary during the debates. He managed to get some things said that were being squelched, even if he had to do a loud meltdown on the cable nets to do it. I think that was a real service.

32. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

Hillary Racks Up Gambling Lobby Support

LAS VEGAS — On the eve of the crucial Nevada Democratic Presidential Debate, set for Thursday night, candidate Hillary Clinton has racked up the public endorsement of some of the state’s most influential gambling industry executives and advocates.

The Clinton campaign has unveiled the formation of the Nevada Business Leadership Council led by Jan Jones, a former Las Vegas Mayor and a current top executive of and lobbyist for national gambling mega-corporation Harrah’s Entertainment.

Harrah’s operates more than two dozen casinos nationwide, including the landmark Rio in Las Vegas.

Also prominent among the new pro-Hillary business group is Phil Satre, former chairman and CEO of Harrah’s and a veteran leader in the Vegas gambling industry. Vegas.com CEO Howard Lefkowitz, Henry Terry, Executive Director of Human Resources of Playlv Gaming Operations, and Punam Mather, a Senior Vice President at the casino-owning MGM Mirage Corp. MGM Mirage operates and own a series of mega-resort casinos including the Bellagio, Mirage and the MGM Grand.

There was a time when gambling money could taint a political campaign, Las Vegas-based historian Michael Green told the HuffPost. But those days are long gone. ‘It was former Senator Paul Laxalt who once quipped that in Nevada turning down money from the gambling industry would be like refusing support from GM in Detroit.”

“The larger gaming corporations are enormous industries that provide not only huge infusions of campaign cash but also votes,” Green said. “Their money buys you TV ads, campaign staff, and direct mail and while I don’t want to suggest a direct connection, let’s just say that thousands of casino employees suddenly become very aware of who their bosses would like you to support in the ballot box.”

Clinton’s high-visibility foray into the gaming-dominated Nevada business community pairs up with the significant stack of endorsements she has already collected from the state’s Democratic political establishment. Her statewide campaign is led by Rory Reid, son of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and current chair of the powerful Clark County Commission which encompasses the greater Las Vegas metropolitan area.

33. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007

Ending the draft,

Whis is now almost as popular among liberals as the CIA.


If the United States had a draft (for which there is no political sentiment), its warriors would be drawn from a much wider swath of the population, and political leaders would think much longer and harder before committing the country to war.

34. marisacat - 15 November 2007

LOL I laughed out loud a few times at this, Cockburn and St Clair write about Hillary.

Hillary was on Mondale’s staff for the summer of ’71, investigating worker abuses in the sugarcane plantations of southern Florida, as close to slavery as anywhere in the U.S.A.

Life’s ironies: Hillary raised not a cheep of protest when one of the prime plantation families, the Fanjuls, called in their chips (laid down in the form of big campaign contributions to Clinton) and insisted that Clinton tell Vice President Gore to abandon his calls for the Everglades to be restored, thus taking water Fanjul was appropriating for his operation.

35. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007

thus taking water Fanjul was appropriating for his operation.

Wow. Memories. The Clintons support for Fanjul was outed in the Ken Starr report. Fanjul was the guy Clinton was talking to on the phone while he was, um, well…you know.

36. lucid - 15 November 2007

Fanjul was the guy Clinton was talking to on the phone while he was, um, well…you know.

That seems damn appropriate.

And don’t forget Gravel’s open support for gay rights in the ’70’s. Not a popular position at the time – not even on the map in mainstream politics.

37. JJB - 15 November 2007

Hair Club, no. 33,

If the United States had a draft (for which there is no political sentiment), its warriors would be drawn from a much wider swath of the population, and political leaders would think much longer and harder before committing the country to war.

I’ve argued long and loud against this POV. Anyone with accurate memories of the Vietnam War know it’s ridiculous. First of all, getting a deferment was remarkably easy in those days. I have 6 cousins who were prime draft bait back then (born 1948 through 1952 inclusive). All came from humble, blue collar backgrounds (fathers were a NYC cop, a truck driver, and an assembly line worker), not a single one was drafted. Only 3 of them went to college, and one of those spent 7 years as an undergrad without picking up a degree. None of them were drafted. The conscript army was drawn from as narrow a spectrum of the population as today’s all-volunteer force.

Second of all, LBJ sent in the combat troops every bit as thoughtlessly and cavalierly as Bush invaded Iraq, and hardly anyone bothered to notice, or care. By the end of 1967 (i.e., after over two years of heavy combat involving US troops), something like 15,000 had been killed, and the majority of the population was still in favor of the war.

The draft, which I believe is coming in the very near future, will be a component of some National Service scheme young Americans will be forced into. There will be some resistance to it, but the sheeple will go along, just as they’ve stood by and allowed BushCo. and his Democratic enablers to eviscerate the Bill of Right without a peep of protest.

On to other topics. The big news today on both the local news (NBC affiliate) and the Today program was how a bunch of nasty liquids with which one could make a bomb were smuggled onto airplanes at 19 airports. This is probably to get us ready for having to remove not only our shoes but our socks when we fly. Both reports that I saw had the local reporter (the woman who generally goes to the scene of whatever “It Bleeds So It Leads” story there is) standing in the terminal building at Iran/Contra National Airport uncritically announcing whatever it was the DHS wanted to scare people with, while on Today the two anchors talked about how scary it all was, like a couple of 8 year-olds trading ghost stories at a sleepover.

38. marisacat - 15 November 2007

A draft or a form of mutable National Service is going to come from the Democrats (imo)… and I think is one reason to shoehorn Hillary into office.

I think it is an utter horror that is arriving. But they all want it… and if you read between the lines, they ALL regret that they did not invoke a draft pronto when 9/11 hit.

SO now, from BOb Herbert to Rangel to Hagel to all the others…

39. mattes - 15 November 2007

You need a driver’s license to get insurance. So I think everyone is ok with people driving unprotected.

40. mattes - 15 November 2007

More oil news:

Russia, Ukraine Face Catastrophe From Sea Oil Spill, Group Says

By Alex Nicholson and Michael Heath
More Photos/Details

Nov. 12 (Bloomberg) — An oil spill from a tanker that sank in a storm in waters between Russia and Ukraine threatens an “environmental catastrophe,” said Vladimir Slivyak, head of the Moscow-based Ecodefense group.

The Volgoneft-139 leaked 1,300 tons of fuel oil into the Kerch Strait linking the Black Sea and Sea of Azov, a Russian Transport Ministry spokeswoman, who declined to be identified, said in Moscow. Four other ships sank in yesterday’s storm that produced six-meter (20-foot) waves, state broadcaster Russia Today reported. Two sailors are dead and 23 are missing, it said.

“The effect will be very serious for the whole marine ecosystem, including fish, because of the high toxicity of oil products,” Slivyak said by telephone in Moscow yesterday. It will take several months to remove the oil on the surface, while the oil that sank will be “very hard” to clear, he added.

As far as the eye could see, the pale sands of this narrow finger poking into the Black Sea were coated with a heavy film of black and piles of oil-soaked seaweed. A strong smell of diesel hung in the air.

Three days after a mighty storm cracked a decrepit tanker in two and dumped 2,000 tons of oil into the Kerch Strait, a small army of workers toiled to clear the mess.

Dead dolphins began to wash ashore, adding to the thousands of birds and untold numbers of fish known to have been poisoned.

“Somebody is making millions of dollars by selling oil and sending those ancient tankers to our shore, ready to sink at any minute,” said Alexander Gayduk, a middle-aged farmworker from nearby Taman. “But they are not here to help with this mess, are they? Where are the trucks? Where is the heavy machinery we need?”

“All of our problems are because of this oil,” said vineyard worker Alexander Ostapenko, 43. “But what’s in it for us? They are polluting our sea and land.”

41. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

Hair Club.33

I say draft EVERYBODY. Do you think there will be LESS
propensity for War and Mil Culture depending on headcount? I don’t.

I say let the sheep who aren’t in the street now opposing this –
Fuck Em Let every mofo sheep serve Empire, see it for what it is and let the Imperial Wizards figure out how to pay for it.

Though often inarticulate, I’m not naive nor misunderstand the danger of a vast swath of America wearing their Swinging Dickery in Uniform. I also have no illusions about the enactibility of Universal Conscription by War Profiteers. The PTB NEVER HAVE pushed an indiscriminate Draft without the generous weazel clauses targeted to social demographics most common to White/ Corporate Class Allied America. The deal breaks down like this:

How likely is it that Black college sophomores who are undeclared or Humanities Majors would be considered “Eligible” vs white kids already accepted into engineering or further along or pending graduates in their immediate Corporate serving technical Majors?

The Lip service paid to Academic Diversity and the need for higher minoroty graduation rates will account for nothing in the event of a Draft.

Black Student College Graduation Rates Remain Low, bla bla bla

According to the most recent statistics, the nationwide college graduation rate for black students stands at an appallingly low rate of 42 percent. This figure is 20 percentage points below the 62 percent rate for white students. Here, the only positive news we have to report is that over the past two years the black student graduation rate has improved by three percentage points.

This is, of course, an Academic discussion. I see any enacted Draft as Discriminatory, passed off as ” Fair” in its forearm’s reach into College campuses:::::: Younger Minorities would be shipped off of campuses all across the country from which they are now less likely to graduate from and even less likely to inhabit the higher prospective income and social trajectory Programmes. Yet again, white college kids of Corporate and Gov Class Servants , favored in “Preferred” Majors would be OUT of the Draft to “Fight the Battle” in the lucrative Stateside Private Sector.

I think the whole issue is a scam, and her’s why… The Money to be ripped off in The Defense Budget isn’t in Salaries for grunt headcount or even supplying basic equipment and provisions per grunt.
Sure, there is a lot of dough in any one of the provisioning contracts and substantial in the aggregate but the heavy loot , critical interests, and leverage points are in the Major Defense Contracts that the West Coast ,Texas, New Mexico, VA, Fla etc Propped up Economies critically depend on with a myriad of other also-rans …The nature of War Profiteering itself isn’t going to support a massive grunt or middling officer class and their inevitable perhaps even small armed demands.

I know War and Discriminatory drafts can do more for a Fascist Agenda in a few years what ‘the Drug War’ and mandatory minimums endeavor to accomplish over twenty years to a lifetime.

Nonetheless, I reject the argument that we could be more LETHAL with General Conscripton. Roll everybody in. Have MAMZ bunking in with Francis Holland. Maryscott and Elise sharing barracks with Mcat, Catnip, Devore Xeno, etc.

Delaware Dem might qualify as a short order cook but you’d have to audit inventory. Thereisnospoon could conduct a live-fire excercise teaching Hand to Multiple / Armed- Assailant- Combat to a Platoon led by HRH. Make Pyrrho the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

42. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

Small matter that catnip resides in Canada.
We’ll figure something out….😀

43. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007

Anyone with accurate memories of the Vietnam War know it’s ridiculous.

I wasn’t even born during the Vietnam War and even I see how stupid it is. Bring back the draft to bring back the anti-war movement? That’s a bit like bringing back the Klan to bring back the civil rights movement.

There will be some resistance to it, but the sheeple will go along, just as they’ve stood by and allowed BushCo. and his Democratic enablers to eviscerate the Bill of Right without a peep of protest.

According to David Neiwert, the term “sheeple” comes out of the militia movement and its use makes you ideologically, hmm, suspect.

You’re probably a skinhead who just got your boot off a black lesbians neck.

44. marisacat - 15 November 2007

now they are talking about the seals. 37 of the over 200 seals at Pier 39 show sho oil on their fur.

LOL State Assembly members held hearings this am in Emeryville on the spill… the CG did not appear… they will only answer in a Federal forum.

Gotta love the nation.


Well I feel sorry for anyone who thought they’d never pull a draft. It may have taken years from 9/11, but we were always headed here.

45. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

What I’m trying to point out is the ruse that we’re not subordinate to a milstate now. As a matter of Policy they could at Least do us the courtesy of saying EVERYBODY IN.

It’s the Quickest way to collapse


Our present, drawn out bloodletting ruse doesn’t make it any more justifiable.

46. Miss Devore - 15 November 2007

41. I will have to bring my medically necessary chihuahua to the barracks.

The aftershocks in Chile are major quakes themselves: 6.2, 6.8. and 5.6 in the space of 13 minutes!

47. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

Blood Diamonds Brokered by FuckSpeak.


An 84.37-carat white diamond touted by Sotheby’s for its size and beauty sold at auction Wednesday to Guess clothing company founder Georges Marciano for just under $16.2 million. {Snip}

Ron Cohen, the owner of the Los Angeles-based Clean Diamonds, was the seller of the gem. Cohen said he purchased it from Angola’s national diamond company two years ago, and knew immediately he had found something special.

48. Miss Devore - 15 November 2007

oh fucking goddess–the kosling approves of being matched with Rove for his Newsweek gig:

“Newsweek actually got this right, for once. They balanced out a movement progressive with a movement conservative. In years past, Rove’s “balance” would’ve been Bob Shrum. Now, they’re apparently starting to realize the difference between a movement partisan and an establishment hack.”

49. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

LOL Dee.

50. JJB - 15 November 2007

MCat, no. 38,

A draft or a form of mutable National Service is going to come from the Democrats (imo)…

I agree, they’ve already made some noises about it.

BTW, Newsweek has announced that Kosolini will be balanced by . . . Karl Rove!!!!

That’s comparable to setting up a Death Match between a crocodile and a 3 week-old baby.

If they engage in any kind of dialogue, that is. Maybe they’ll just run them on alternating weeks until Kos craps out (I can’t imagine he’ll have the patience much less the smarts to keep producing copy Newsweek will deem worthy of publication). If they do actually try to do a Point-Counterpoint/Crossfire type of debate, expect Baby Kos to have his head handed to him over and over.

51. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

Pelosi slobbering over Denny’s Man-Boobs now…

52. marisacat - 15 November 2007

well I suggest they draft dues paying xtians first… I mean clearly this is a religious war. Fricking lunatics.

Oht he Dems were the first out of the box with draft legislation, ready to go post 9/11 for a draft. Even at the state level out here in CA.. jackie Spiers for one, she of the survivor class of the mission to Guyana to Jonestown years ago.

We know from cults, whether off shored or our own mil.

53. JJB - 15 November 2007

Hairclub, no. 43,

You’re probably a skinhead who just got your boot off a black lesbians neck.

I’ve still a full head of har, and the lesbian was white and blond, otherwise spot on. 🙂

Bring back the draft to bring back the anti-war movement? That’s a bit like bringing back the Klan to bring back the civil rights movement.

LOL, exactly right!

As to this,

They balanced out a movement progressive with a movement conservative. In years past, Rove’s “balance” would’ve been Bob Shrum. Now, they’re apparently starting to realize the difference between a movement partisan and an establishment hack.

Please tell me he’s being disingenuous with that “movement partisan” business. Then again, if he thinks he can go one-on-one with Rove and hold his own, he’s even more delusional than I thought.

54. marisacat - 15 November 2007

will Rove wear a bib? to catch the butter drool from the dipping bowls. I figure he treats Kos like cracked crab that has been dragged thru bunker fuel.

55. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

LMAO Mcat 54

56. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

Rove, Buchannon, Bill Moyers, Stephanopoulos,
Begala, Carville, Karen Hughes……
White House Gigs , Facial Hair, and Post Pubescent Voice Change ??
Check.Check.Check.Check.Check.Check,and Check.

Then there’s Markos.

57. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

Markos got the Newsweek gig because MR. Sulu declined.
George Takei of Stark Trek fame was quoted as saying
“I have A LIFE”

58. marisacat - 15 November 2007

I think the federal plan is to destroy fishing out here. The fisherman are reminding people what e coli in spinach that was not properly line washed did to the spinach biz. The fisherman/crabbers want to close it to the Mexican border. The sea here is too poisonous to bring crab and other bottom feeders thru the water…

Fish and Game say they “tested the waters” but won’t release the tests. GMAFB!

Half Moon Bay and Bodega Bay plants are refusing to clean and process crab brought in, which will scuttle this idea to fish outside the banned area and then drag the fucking crab pots into port, thru the bunker oil.

30 beaches closed now… frankly as they keep telling us it is “better”, it seems it is not.


As for that hors d’oeuvre known as Kos… LOL. I am reminded of Rove et all getting off the camp. plane after Kerry’s fuzzball hunting “event”… (groomsboy to carry the kill) they were all dressed in hunting mufti… as silly as they could make it.

I got a real kick out of that one!

59. melvin - 15 November 2007


60. marisacat - 15 November 2007

listening again to General Kip ward of AFRICOM on with C Rose. Geesh. he says we are Not arrogant, we DO listen, and we seek to cooperate with our African “partners”. We ASSIST the African heads of state. We assist them to be more professional. What a fucking FIBBER.

Great, let’s all play golf. No problems. None.

think he has wings over on the other side from his ribbon display. Handy as I am sure the plan is to bomb Africa from above.

61. marisacat - 15 November 2007

Democracy NOW has Wayne Barrett of VV on, about Guiliani/Kerik:

Well, I got a copy of the private testimony that Giuliani gave on April 20, 2004. Now, this private testimony is not supposed to be released until, coincidentally, December 2008. And in this private testimony, it’s not just —

AMY GOODMAN: Who decides that?

WAYNE BARRETT: Well, this is a very mysterious thing, because the members of the commission never voted on this. Someone internally on the staff made the decision that not just Giuliani’s testimony, but that all the testimony for Chapter 9, which is the testimony that relates to the city’s response, would not be made public until December 2008. It may affect testimony in other chapters, as well. Some testimony that involves classified information is sealed for twenty-five years. But no one could understand what the rationale was as to why you seal testimony that only relates to how the city responded to an emergency. There’s certainly no classified — in fact, it says on the top of each page, “Commission-sensitive, but unclassified.” That’s what it says on the top of each page.

So, any rate, this testimony clearly reveals that everything that Giuliani is saying about his expertise — he now calls himself an “expert” on terrorism, who’s been studying it for thirty-five years. And he claims things like when he went to Pat Robertson’s university, Regent University, he said, “bin Laden declared war on America, but nobody heard him. But I heard him. I understood what he was saying.” Well, in the testimony, Rudy says the opposite. He says that the first time he ever had a briefing on al-Qaeda was after 9/11. He describes the briefing in great detail. It was given by Yossef Bodansky, who wrote a book that came out on bin Laden in 1999, incidentally entitled The Man Who Declared War on America. But he read it after 9/11, and he underlined it with —

62. JJB - 15 November 2007

Turkey’s slow-motion move into Iraqi Kurdistan continues apace:

A senior Turkish general said on Thursday Turkey was in the process of implementing a cross-border operation against Kurdish guerrillas who use northern Iraq as a base to launch attacks.

But there were no immediate signs of increased military activity along Turkey’s mountainous border with Iraq on Thursday evening, Reuters reporters in the region said, suggesting any offensive may still be in the preparatory stages.

“We are in the process of implementing the cross-border operation,” General Ilker Basbug, head of the land forces and the second most powerful man in the armed forces, told reporters at a diplomatic reception.

Basbug did not specify what he meant by implementing an operation, but the military has for weeks been boosting their presence along the border. Analysts also say authorities have stepped up the rhetoric to pressure U.S. and Iraqi authorities to move against the rebels.


A Reuters reporter in the northern Iraqi town of Zakhu, which is close to the border with Turkey, said he could not hear any explosions or the sound of aircraft flying overhead. The situation in the town appeared normal, he said.

Meanwhile, in another US-destabilized part of the forest . . . Tthis story was given pride of place at the top and to the left of the FP on the NYT website this AM, but it’s been seriously demoted over the course of the last 6 hours, currently languishing in the “World” index in small type towards the bottom of the FP:

Almost two weeks into Pakistan’s political crisis, Bush administration officials are losing faith that the Pakistani president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, can survive in office and have begun discussing what might come next, according to senior administration officials.

In meetings on Wednesday, officials at the White House, State Department and the Pentagon huddled to decide what message Deputy Secretary of State John D. Negroponte would deliver to General Musharraf — and perhaps more important, to Pakistan’s generals — when he arrives in Islamabad on Friday.

Administration officials say they still hope that Mr. Negroponte can salvage the fractured arranged marriage between General Musharraf and former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. But in Pakistan, foreign diplomats and aides to both leaders said the chances of a deal between the leaders were evaporating 11 days after General Musharraf declared de facto martial law.

Several senior administration officials said that with each day that passed, more administration officials were coming around to the belief that General Musharraf’s days in power were numbered and that the United States should begin considering contingency plans, including reaching out to Pakistan’s generals.

More than a dozen officials in Washington and Islamabad from a number of countries spoke on condition of anonymity because of the fragility of Pakistan’s current political situation. The doubts that American officials voiced about whether General Musharraf could survive were more pointed than any public statements by the administration, and signaled declining American patience in advance of Mr. Negroponte’s trip.

Officials involved in the discussions in Washington said the Bush administration remained wary of the perception that the United States was cutting back-room deals to install the next leader of Pakistan. “They don’t want to encourage another military coup, but they are also beginning to understand that Musharraf has become part of the problem,” said one former official with knowledge of the debates inside the Bush administration.

That shift in perception is significant because for six years General Musharraf has sought to portray himself, for his own purposes, as the West’s best alternative to a possible takeover in Pakistan by radical Islamists.

One imagines a number of furious phone calls were made to Young Prince Sulzberger about this.

63. JJB - 15 November 2007

I think I’m in moderation.

64. marisacat - 15 November 2007


got you out (sorry)

AND think that is the same story that headlined the NYT email last night. It was the title of the email even. US looking past Musharraff … etc.

what a hoot!

65. marisacat - 15 November 2007

“The challenge for Clinton in tonight’s debate on CNN will be to prove that she can talk the straight talk. It’s a tricky business. How do you unwaffle?” Gail Collins writes in her New York Times column. “The only thing harder than unwaffling is being a mean unifier.”

from ABC’s The Note.

I dunno Gail, how do you unwaffle?

66. JJB - 15 November 2007

MCat, no. 64,

Yes, I’m sure they did promote it big time. It would be interesting to see the early print editions. I guess they couldn’t purge it, but did the best they could under the circumstances. The 3 reporters sharing the byline are no doubt mighty angry about it. God forbid anyone should mention what’s obvious to everyone on the planet who’s paying attention (i.e., the entire world excepting the US), that we have a veto over who runs Pakistan, and Musharraf’s time is up.

67. Miss Devore - 15 November 2007

aw gee dad, thanks.:

” WASHINGTON (AP) — Ahead of the holiday travel crunch, President Bush ordered steps Thursday to reduce air traffic congestion and long delays that have left passengers stranded.

President Bush, accompanied by acting FAA Administrator Robert Sturgell, outlined a plan to reduce air traffic congestion on Thursday.

The most significant change is that the Pentagon will open unused military airspace from Florida to Maine to create “a Thanksgiving express lane” for commercial airliners. It will be open next week for five days — Wednesday through Sunday — for the busiest days of Thanksgiving travel.”

68. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

Miss D # 67 the Pentagon will open unused military airspace from Florida to Maine to create “a Thanksgiving express lane”

Golly maybe those Thanksgiving travelers up their in the MilSpace will see a loose nuke or two fall off over some Hooterville or another.
Talk about dry turkey

69. Miss Devore - 15 November 2007

Barry Bonds indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice in the steroid investigation. I guess there will be a couple asteriks in the record book.

70. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

Bonds: “All puffed out of proportion’

71. marisacat - 15 November 2007

Deutsche Bahn on strike as well. According to Spiegel, French transpot/unions not relenting.

Honestly, the West Coast should strike. Refuse everything. WGA to teamsters to blockading the Forts and bases to the mil induction centers, recruiting centers, to the oil refineries… sit-ins at the Democratic offices (they have all hated that!) universities and colleges.

well one can dream.


Honestly some of the “gifts” Bush gave us for T-giving travel, sounded a tad dangerous.

72. marisacat - 15 November 2007

There has been talk that the airlines are literally afraid of a full fledged user rights movement

Hell why not. Inconvenienced, embarrassed, x-rayed, held up, shut down, killed (Gotbaum and others unknown unanmed) cattle car’d then dumped at the wrong airport with no luggage.

There should be an airline travellers movement. Think there is a bill kicking around about some aspects of it (being trapped for hours on planes that don’t take off).

73. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

JJB sharp grab. A wicked Photo Essay was just Blown right off the FP of the NYT website with the Bonds story. It showed 2 boys killed by Mush Undercover

ONE, is an arresting ,iconic shot of a crowd infiltrating security force man-jackal holding a gun with a solitary boy left dead in the dirt as the crowd is cowering in the distance. Chilling. The wheels are coming off the train….

74. marisacat - 15 November 2007

LOL the opening of the afternoon Note’s Sneak Peak…

I think it is true, she cannot stumble again. Esp not on a big issue… does not mean she odes not “win” however… 🙂

The Note’s Sneak Peek Is Ready!

The Democratic debate in Las Vegas tonight just may be the most-anticipated showdown the city has since the Mayweather-De La Hoya fight in May and features almost as much pre-event build-up and hype as that boxing event did.

It’s a big night for Hillary Clinton, who needs a boffo performance to make up for her perceived stumble in Philadelphia two weeks ago and a series of stories (tipping, planting, piling on) that have opened the door for questions of her inevitability.

75. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

Look back and cherish whatever good memories you’ve had of winters past.

Cheney knows no restraint only perceived “imperatives” and tactical advantage in his way long (on insanity) Neocon Oil Hawk Strategy Pipe(line) Dream. No one in the US can say we weren’t warned. Repeatedly.The Last train left with Kucinich.

Betting the ranch in Pakistan is as much cover for Scumbag Cheney as it is anything else. What do they do other than repeatedly and insanely up the ante?

This all flows now from missed opportunities to nail Cheney’s ass earlier. I don’t think Mush is crazy. His nukes, as near as anybody, knows haven’t walked off to Qaeda. They been sold the old fashioned way by an insider to China…Nonetheless, I’d bet my fucking eyesight the overtures have been made to strike a deal with some ambitious bullshit artist Mush understudy who fits the regime change bill…I bet the authorization has already been given to “Pat Robertson” Musharraf’s ass:.

Wondering if it will go as planned????

76. marisacat - 15 November 2007

probably the next general in line steps up.

77. marisacat - 15 November 2007

here is the link to the photo essay BHHM mentioned, killing in Pakistan.

78. marisacat - 15 November 2007

jesus. what does one say anymore. Corps and fertilised eggs hold sway:

Colorado Supreme Court Affirms “Egg-As-Person”


Wendy Norris, RH Reality Check:

“In a terse 7-0 decision today, the Colorado Supreme Court affirmed the decision of the state Title Board’s approval of a 2008 proposed ballot measure to bestow constitutional rights on fertilized human eggs.”

All hail The Egg! master of the Universe!

79. marisacat - 15 November 2007

This is the second story on The Great Egg at the same link. Don’t miss the title. The Onion is out done:

Court Clears Way for Egg Rights Showdown

By P. Solomon Banda
The Associated Press

Tuesday 13 November 2007

Denver – The Colorado Supreme Court cleared the way Tuesday for an anti-abortion group to collect signatures for a ballot measure that would define a fertilized egg as a person.

The court approved the language of the proposal, rejecting a challenge from abortion-rights supporters who argued it was misleading and dealt with more than one subject in violation of the state constitution.

80. wu ming - 15 November 2007

masturbation is [potential] murder! save those tissues, folks, those are potantial fertilized eggs!

how long until they give other unicellular microorganisms the vote? one cell, one vote! protozoan rights NOW!

81. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007

masturbation is [potential] murder

Jesus. I’m Hannibal Lector.

82. Miss Devore - 15 November 2007

I suggest an amendment declaring egg salad to be a person (or several of them), too.

Humpty Dumpty sat on the cervical wall…..

Actaully, “humpty dumpty” is a good name for abortion.

83. marisacat - 15 November 2007

humpty dumpty… good one Miss D!!

84. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

how do you unwaffle?

That would be a pancake … you know, like that makeup her people trowel on her before appearances.

85. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

Egg Lawyer.

“My client is in there, your honor”, the lawyer began, pointing towards a vagina visible only through the window in the green surgical lap sheet covering the woman in stirrups.

86. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

Apparently, stupid cruelty is part of the anglo-saxon genome:

Terror police ‘shot’ man in coma

A man who had gone into a diabetic coma on a bus in Leeds was shot twice with a Taser gun by police who feared he may have been a security threat.

Nicholas Gaubert has described how the incident happened in July 2005, just a week before the fatal shooting of Brazilian man Jean Charles de Menezes.

Mr Gaubert, 34, said he was suffering severe post-traumatic stress as a result of the shooting.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) is investigating.

Mr Gaubert, who lives in Leeds, said he had now decided to speak out after the Crown Prosecution Service ruled no officers involved should be charged with any criminal offences.

The IPCC is still considering whether any disciplinary matters will be brought against the officers.

Armed police were called to the bus depot in Headingley and when he failed to respond to their challenges he was shot with the Taser.

He said as this was happening, another officer was pointing a real gun at his head.

He was restrained and eventually came round in the police van.

He said it was only then that the officers realised it was a medical emergency, despite him wearing a medical tag round his neck to warn of his condition, and took him to hospital.

Mr Gaubert said he was told the police believed he looked “Egyptian”.

Like the Polish guy in Canada just recently, no doubt.

87. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007

Like the Polish guy in Canada just recently, no doubt.

Why don’t they just say “shot while trying to escape” the way they used to in the good old days in Argentina in the late 70s?

88. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007


God was brought up on manslaughter (the number of counts is still to be determined, as the US gov’t doesn’t seem to want to look too close) in the state of Colorado after the passage of the Every Ovum is Sacred and a Special Person Until it Clears the Labia, Then it’s On its Own Act for a number of miscarriages that have occurred so far this year.

The Devil’s Advocate has offered the Lord her services pro bono to fight the charges.

89. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

thanks for the link to the photo essay. the world is insane.

the look on that mother’s face in picture 7 speaks volumes of the face we offer the world, the hate and fear in her face as she comforts her daughter.

Biden just said that Bush should be impeached if he attacks Iran. Why do we have to wait for that?

90. Miss Devore - 15 November 2007

Next person shot in such circumstances will be discovered to have Tourettes syndrome.

85-BHHM–I finally understand those mysterious lyrics in “Good Vibrations”: “She’s giving me egg citations”

91. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

War Pig:

Boosting US army ranks to 547,000 not enough: general

5 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) — Swelling the ranks of the US Army to 547,000 troops by 2010 will probably not be enough to meet its needs, the army chief of staff George Casey said Thursday.

“I believe that the 540,000 we’re building here is a good milestone. I believe it is probably not big enough,” he told US lawmakers.

“However, I want to get there, and once we get that going, I want to have a discussion about ‘does it need to be bigger?'”

Defense Secretary Robert Gates recently authorized the army to boost its ranks by 65,000 soldiers in three years instead of the next five in a bid to reach 547,000 and relieve the strain caused by the war in Iraq.

To reach that level and offset the numbers of those leaving active service, the military would need to recruit 80,000 soldiers a year, Casey told the House Armed Services Committee

“We think we can do that,” he added.

Just say it, we are Sparta, only with malls and credit cards.

92. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007

300 was so gay

93. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

Kucinich was great on the Patriot Act, after Wolf points out that he is the only person on the stage who voted against the PATRIOT Act.

“That’s because I read it.”

Then he goes after Impeachment.

Biden stands up after Wolf shuts K down and jerks off.

94. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

God, why am I watching this?

I think I recorded Survivor. Hmmmmm, might be a better use of my time.

95. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007

I liked the “box in” question for Hillary and Dodd.

Do you consider democracy or American security more important?

Both passed.

96. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007
97. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007
98. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

Well BHHM, if we’re going to go there, then …

99. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007
100. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007

Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition

Great opportunity for jokes but kind of a non story. EVERY politician pretends he knows how to shoot.

The only problem is that Democrats always fuck it up when they try to pretend (Kerry in the duck hunting suit) and of course this.

101. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

Military Shipments Contained by 39 Women at Port of Olympia

OLYMPIA, WA – At 9:00 pm on November 13th the continued campaign to end the militarization of Olympia’s port reached a crescendo tonight when nearly 40 women contained military equipment at the Port of Olympia. The women chanted, “No force is necessary, we are non-violent, no weapons on our bodies, we are non-violent,” linked arms, and placed their bodies in the road blocking the main gate as Olympia Police moved in in full riot gear. Shizuno Wynkoop, one of the women on the frontline said, “I went to the port tonight in solidarity with women globally who struggle to stop human rights abuses and to support soldiers by keeping them home with their families instead of sent off to war.” After the women were taken away, another blockade formed, and police used pepper spray and dragged protesters out of the streets. Demonstrator Noah Sochet reported, “As Strykers left the north gate nearly a hundred people rushed down Marine Drive to block them. Demonstrators ran in front of the vehicles, blockaded them and immediately police used concussion grenades and pepper bullets on the crowd.” Matt McVay, videographer from The Olympian newspaper, was shot directly in the face with a pepper bullet. This is the third Olympian worker to be assaulted by the police. The Olympian has yet to report on the assaults on its own workers.

102. melvin - 15 November 2007

$2.49 breakfast in Vegas.

You get what you pay for.

Congratulations: CNN’s bimborama reviewers actually made the candidates look intelligent in comparison.

Richardson as usual gets the biggest sigh from me. So good, and so horrible.

103. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007

I wonder if LGF will get discussed here?


Or if they’ll invite Chuckles Johnson to be a guest speaker.

104. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

Chris Floyd points me at a new Silber on the latest Donkle Potemkin bill:

The previous essays on this topic examine all this in much more detail. Let me restate the unavoidable, central conclusion. Even if this bill were to be signed by Bush exactly as the Democrats have crafted it, it requires precisely nothing. It will change nothing. U.S. troops will remain in Iraq in at least the many tens of thousands for years to come, and probably for decades. The genocide will continue. The slaughter will go on. And, as I said in “Theater of Death”:




Get it? This bill, as it is right now, changes nothing in any way that matters a damn.

Yet the USA Today story makes it appear that the wonderfully brave Democrats will now seek to end the war, or rather the occupation of Iraq, and force Bush to begin troop withdrawals. But December 2008 is merely a “target” for the “end of combat,” and the administration is already planning on withdrawing some troops, which is all this bill “requires” — and it does not even do that.

So all of this is only posturing on all sides, posturing of the most transparently phony kind: posturing to satisfy various constituencies, posturing to provide talking points for the 2008 elections, posturing to satisfy the fragile but enormous vanity of all these repellent political hacks. Meanwhile, IRAQIS ARE DYING IN HUGE NUMBERS.

105. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

I think I’m canned meat, encased in jelly.

106. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007

Young people don’t have analytical skills to filter out hate sites.

Translation: Some go to Counterpunch or antiwar.com

We need to educate them of the ways to process what they see on line,

Translation: That’s not an American peace activist being run over by a bulldozer. That’s a terrorist enabler guarding weapons tunnels.

He said that the Internet industry needs to do more to keep hate off line.

Translation: Make sure youtube keeps Muslims from posting videos.

“If Internet service providers work as hard as they do to keep smut off the Internet, then they can also keep hate of the Internet,”

Translation: I’m too old to figure out how to find porn on alt.binaries

You may be able to prohibit certain sites, but then they reappear with changed names and addresses

translation: Will someone not rid me of this Alexander Cockburn

Taking something out of Google search results does not remove that content from the Web

Translation: People still found their way to Indymedia after LGF through a hissy fit and got them bounced from Google.

Like many of our users, I find the content on (some) sites extremely offensive.

Translation: My son Keith Moon got flamed on Political Flesh Feast.

107. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007


Lou Dobbs “Seriously Contemplating” Presidential Bid

What, Ron Paul isn’t enough?

108. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

Shit, if Dobbs is running, let’s open up talks with Miss D’s chihuahua.

BTW madman, LOL’d over the Zappa / Bush vid
then felt put to shame seeing the courage of the Port Protesters

109. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

oh, I wish I had the courage of those protesters. I can barely stand human contact in general, let alone pepper balls and batons.

110. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007
111. CSTAR - 15 November 2007

Dobbs presidente? Carajo, manito, ahi si que estamos todos bien jodidos. Oiga ‘manito, que tal, le dejo que se esconda en mi casa antes que le revienten las pelotas. Pero cuando vienen para buscarme a mi, pues como Ud. sabe ya no habra ingles, ni educacion, ni diploma, ni mierda ninguna, que me valga contra los enloquecidos cuando me preguntan “y Ud. de donde viene”, me prometes una ayudadita, porque si no a mi tambien me revientan lo poco que me queda.

112. wu ming - 15 November 2007

latest from sfgate:

The Coast Guard did not warn the Cosco Busan that it was about to sideswipe the base of a Bay Bridge tower last week, even after the freighter appeared to be seriously off course, investigators said today.

The National Transportation and Safety Board reported that in the moments before the collision on Nov. 7, operators at the Coast Guard’s Vessel Traffic Service asked pilot John Cota where he was heading because the ship seemed to be straying from a course under the the bridge.

In fact, the pilot’s bearing was so wrong that traffic monitors thought he intended to stop the ship south of the bridge.
Cota radioed back that he indeed intended to pilot the ship under the bridge, and the service operators decided to leave him alone as he negotiated the delicate task, investigators said.


The traffic operators’ stated reason for not warning Cota in the seconds before he hit the bridge was that they wanted to give him two minutes of radio silence so he could drive unhindered, safety board officials said. Whether that was wise or not is a judgment that will require further examination, they said.

“That certainly will be part of our investigation,” board spokesman Peter Knudson said today


113. melvin - 15 November 2007

107 Utterly revolting.

“It might make us look bad the next time we want to pass a nonbinding resolution.” We might lose Stephanie Herseth’s vote, or Ken Salazar’s! Don’t you understand how vitally important that is?

All you need to know about dkos is in that thread. One of the few times I have wished I could still post one more time, but of course it would be the last too.

These idiots quote Gandhi and King ad nauseam and quail at the thought of nonviolent protest here and now, are absolutely befuddled by it. This is where kos has led them.

114. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007

All you need to know about dkos is in that thread. One of the few times I have wished I could still post one more time, but of course it would be the last too.

They’re fascists plain and simple. And traitors.

115. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

jesus, Hair, that dkos diary is depressing.

‘Merikans are so damned stupid.

116. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

CSTAR, as I’m an Anglo w/ no undertanding of espanol, I plugged you post into Babelfish, and got:

Carajo, manito, ahi if that we are all good jodidos. Hear ` manito, that so, I leave him hides in my house before the balls burst to him. But when they come to look for me my, because as You know habra ingles no longer, neither education, nor graduates, nor excrement no, that is worth me against the driven crazy ones when they ask “and You to me from where you come”, you promise a ayudadita to me, because if to my also does not burst to me little whom I have left.

So, ummm … that was pretty funny, but …

… ummmm.

117. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007

jesus, Hair, that dkos diary is depressing.

Have you read Marx’s 18th Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte?

It’s the classic treatment of how a coup unfolds, the more conservative group uses the group to its left than discards it then is in turn used and discarded by the group to its right.

So in 2006, the Dems used the war to get elected.

1.) First they took impeachment off the table
2.) Then they demonized radical left anti-war groups
3.) Then they started demonizing anti-war independents (Greenwald)

And why?

“Liberals” are dependent on the state bureaucracy for their living. Trial lawyers, social workers, people who work at Nonprofits, all of them will eventually label their own ideals as treason and sedition because their economic interests require them too.

Fuck this is right out of classic Marxist theory.

“Irishwitch” could be exhibit A.

118. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007

that sums it up pretty well, Hair.

leftists need to run away, but they won’t.

119. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007

And why are their economic interests dependent on supporting the war?

Because it depends on the state continuing to grow. To get government jobs, military contracts, social programs, you need to “grow” the state.

That means taking the militarism with it.

If entitlement programs, social security, the military, the security state = civilization you’re protecting from the bad evil Republicans, then a threat to the state becomes “sedition”.

And when you have no ideals, no beliefs, no core values, you can’t oppose the war. If it’s all about “body armor” you’re going to support Bush until he leaves office.

The people at Kos are actually worse than neoconservatives because they put a moderate face on their fascism.

And they are fucking fascists.

120. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007
121. CSTAR - 15 November 2007

I couldn’t find anything enlightening (certainly nothing good) to say about a Dobbs candidacy, in any language. I might as well blurt something out in Spanish. Because, regardless, we’ll be all be minced.

However, the Babelfish translation is probably just as good as anything else one might say about it.

122. BooHooHooMan - 15 November 2007

That diarist is simply a high user id DEL Dem sock
the hawk tone the gratuitous what do you think Perv Priest tone
check the self appointed Poll titles of the diarist
its Secret Squirrels hamhanded idea of intelligence gathering

Then check this

Melrath must be coming unglued …
P30NED methinks J melli…

123. Madman in the Marketplace - 15 November 2007
124. lucid - 15 November 2007

Well shit, if corporations are persons deserving bill of rights protections, why the hell aren’t fertilized eggs? I mean, at times, I have uncontrollable muscle contractions in my tensor fasciae. That must mean that it is a person. Hell, if I was a record setting 100 meter runner, it would be a person. It would probably be worth, from an actuarial estimate, more than the lives of every person who posts on this blog combined.

And we wonder why every decision since Roe in the congress and the courts have backslid… property. insurance.

I might, like the lawyer in the Amistad case, propose a different tack – ‘is that cluster of cells growing on the soft muscle wall of this individual their property, or is it the property of another’?

Because it sure as hell isn’t anything other than that. And if it isn’t anything other than that, then Scalia will take the scales from his eyes and proclaim, “I have seen the light, lordy lordy, I have seen the light!”

We like our damn property.

125. marisacat - 15 November 2007


2 of Hair Club out of Moderation

and 2 of Madman out of spam

126. Hair Club for Men - 15 November 2007

Then check this

Melrath must be coming unglued …
P30NED methinks J melli…

Interesting bit of detective work.

127. marisacat - 15 November 2007

What a bullshit scam it all is.

Zeleny NYT on the debate. WIll no one point out that Universal health care is NOT forcing every American to BUY health insurance.

So sick of the protestations that Democrats should not criticise each other. GLAD Dodd used the word “shrill” but LOL probably not appropriately.

What whiners, all of them.

Chuck Todd at First Read on the debate.

128. keirdubois - 15 November 2007

“When does protest become sedition?”

Yikes. I missed that one too.

129. marisacat - 15 November 2007

hmm I have also heard phrasings such as “no booms were placed around the Cosco Busan”… which lead me to think … gee that wording could be accurate. WHo the hell knows.

From SFGate.com report on the senate briefing called by Boxer…

Deb Self, executive director of Baykeeper, an environmental group, testified at the briefing that the Coast Guard ignored reports early in the day from other boats that fuel was spilling out of a gaping hole in the side of the freighter.

She said the decision to move the ship to two different anchorages only worsened the problem.

“Everywhere it went, it left a huge swath of some of the worst looking stuff I’ve ever seen,” Self said.

Self said more of the oil could have been contained if the O’Brien’s Group, the contractor hired by the ship’s owner to clean the mess, had moved immediately to put a boom around the vessel. “The response was woefully inadequate,” she said.

They never stopped lying, imo.

130. CSTAR - 15 November 2007

Gee I thought my rant in Spanish was sedition — offering aid and comfort to illegals. The question to ask is when will human decency turn into sedition. What I do know. Maybe it already has.

131. marisacat - 16 November 2007

What ever Sy.

I am beginning to think the entire endorsement, semi-endorsement business is very dangerous. Certainly two fisted. Back handed… and too often twisted.

I caught a running set of clips from Mailer’s 11 apeparances on Rose. SOme of his statements prior to the Iraq invasion were just excellent, with, I felt, some heart felt delivery. But it was all smudged, dirtied in fact, by how complimentary to Clinton Mailer was in ’96 (ugh saw those clips again as well). Real slobber. All about how Clinton would help Blacks, or affect some beneficial race something or other.

Welfare “reform”??

prison population???

his godamned fucking WIFE?

132. marisacat - 16 November 2007

Jon Lee Anderson has an 11 pager Letter From Iraq, Inside the Surge in the New Yorker. In the same, is a 4 pager from Ryan Lizza on Obama.

133. marisacat - 16 November 2007

politico.com on the Rove and the guppy writing for Newsweek.

“I can’t assume that people know what I’m talking about,” he said. But Moulitsas added that he’s been published in mainstream publications before, and “can write AP style” when called upon.

Some very amusing quotes from the guppy… I have not read whatever koswhack1 wrote over at Dkos… so it may be repetitious for some..


134. Hair Club for Men - 16 November 2007

What ever Sy.

Well Obama now has Hersh, Chalmers Johnson and Cornell West in his corner.

135. Hair Club for Men - 16 November 2007

Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran


“The Iranian Revolutionary Guard has assisted the militias and others in killing our Americans and maiming them [in Iraq],” she said. “They have imported technology and technical assistance. I believe they are a terrorist group.”

136. marisacat - 16 November 2007

she and bill just want the nuclear codes again.

War Games. Can’t we just send them to the old movie?

137. JJB - 16 November 2007

BHHM, no. 73,

That was a riveting batch of photos. Here’s still more indications that Pakistan as a geopolitical entity is rapidly becoming a thing of the past:

Gen. Pervez Musharraf, the Pakistani president, says he instituted emergency rule for the extra powers it would give him to push back the militants who have carved out a mini-state in Pakistan’s tribal areas.

But in the last several days, the militants have extended their reach, capturing more territory in Pakistan’s settled areas and chasing away frightened policemen, local government officials said.

As inconspicuous as it might be in a nation of 160 million people, the takeover of the small Alpuri district headquarters this week was considered a particular embarrassment for General Musharraf. It showed how the militants could still thumb their noses at the Pakistani Army.

In fact, local officials and Western diplomats said, there is little evidence that the 12-day-old emergency decree has increased the government’s leverage in fighting the militants, or that General Musharraf has used the decree to take any extraordinary steps to combat them.

Instead, it has proved more of a distraction, they said, forcing General Musharraf to concentrate on his own political survival, even as the army starts its first offensive operation since the Nov. 3 decree.

The success of the militants in Swat has caused new concern in Washington about the ability and the will of Pakistani forces to fight the militants who are now training their sights directly on Pakistan’s government, not only on the NATO and American forces across the border in Afghanistan, Western officials said.

After several weeks of heavy clashes, the militants largely control Swat, the mountainous region that is the scenic jewel of Pakistan, and are pushing into Shangla, to the east. All of the sites lie deeper inside Pakistan than the tribal areas, on the Afghan border, where Al Qaeda, the Taliban and assorted foreign and local militants have expanded a stronghold in recent years. In Alpuri, the administrative headquarters of Shangla, a crowd of militants easily took over the police station, despite the emergency decree, Mayor Ibad Khan said.

“They came straight to the police station; it was empty,” he said in a telephone interview. The district police officer had run away. “I am still searching for him,” Mr. Khan said. Asked why the police station was empty, he said, “I am asking myself the same question.”

The shelling of militant positions in several subdistricts of Swat, and in neighboring Shangla in the last several days, was the first significant action by the Pakistani Army in the area, Western defense officials said.

One Western diplomat said a government military briefing Thursday in Islamabad was intended to convince foreign countries of the feasibility of the government offensive. Instead, the official said, the presentation only underscored the Pakistan Army’s lack of counterinsurgency skills as it tries to battle about 400 well-supplied and well-trained militants in the region.

In the past, the government has relied on paramilitary forces, the Frontier Corps and the constabulary to control Swat, which is part of North-West Frontier Province.

More than 2,000 Pakistani Army soldiers were deployed to the province in July, but they remained largely inactive, intimidated by the militants’ ability to capture soldiers.

That exchange about the police chief reminds me of one of my favorite bits of Marx Brothers dialogue, from Duck Soup. Groucho announces that he’s looking for a secretary of the treasury. But you just appointed a secretary of the treasury, he’s told. “That’s the one I’m looking for!”

Come to think of it, Musharraf does rather resemble Groucho . . .

138. JJB - 16 November 2007

Uh, no, he can’t:

But Moulitsas added that he’s been published in mainstream publications before, and “can write AP style” when called upon.

He really cannot write at all.

139. BooHooHooMan - 16 November 2007

126 Hair Club,

the j melli ref refers to “whats the diff” id jockeying on Blue Jersey in the Adam B, Kos, Philly Blog Boyz circuit..Doesn’t matter if one distinct 3D individ is out of Princeton or not….

But just like the brief individuating sparks that flew in the D Debates last night, whether a distinct , “identity” or actual person is coming from the same place, they are certainly headed there on the Dem USA!USA! armored personnel carrier….

It’s no longer a big mystery to me, it is what MAMZ says it is
A noise machine, and like the RW version meant as much to dupe their supporters as it is to attract new ones….Like the Party, the “Pwogosphere” is built now with a big enogh tent for the scads of ops cops and fops that call it home…..

140. marisacat - 16 November 2007

Gee Paul. So blunt:

“I don’t believe Mr. Obama is a closet privatizer,” Paul Krugman columnizes in the New York Times. “He is, however, someone who keeps insisting that he can transcend the partisanship of our times — and in this case, that turned him into a sucker.”

141. BooHooHooMan - 16 November 2007

137 JJB Here’s still more indications that Pakistan as a geopolitical entity is rapidly becoming a thing of the past:

Who are WE kidding…

Rural true believin militia nuts with day jobs in the Sherrifs Dept.

The Local Police in UTAH or Sand Flea Whatthefuckville – huhuh-ing
to Warren Jeffs ritualized rape of a 14 yo with families going along ith it….

The Jesus Camp VooDoo of Haggard and Dobson to infiltrate the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs.

The Jena 6 Prosecutor Jesus Juicer

So We got the Holy rollers, the Lubavitchers,
the Gang Bangers ,Steroid Freaks and CrackHeads,
The Cops and Punks, the Game Players and ‘NetCafe Society
And right up Top, we have the HeiressTokeCrazy Corporate Class
whose social position have been traditionally secured by men very similar to Musharraf in deed and motivation: the desire for Power for Powers sake. And Rodney “Brain Nearly Clubbed In” King had the audacity to ask: ” Can’t we all just get along?” The answer is a resounding No, Fuck NO! Not with Market Exploitation and Religious Sectarianism trumping any notion of a common humanity.

Our cohesion here is mostly rammed in our brains by the media and a mostly frivoulous popular culture. Certainly not much thats REAL in terms and times of crisis. No urgency to pass the tourniquette, no quick footed deployment of “national” resources…. There’s hardly any thinking of that kind anymore, the idea of “pooled” resources, mostly because of the corruption. It’s all just discreet cost benefit analysis that – given its narrow scope – can hardly justify any social compact We see it in the rigid walls built between urban and suburban political and budgetary bounds despit the fact that resource pooling would be more efficient. . In this regard, you will ALMOST NEVER see some local local town give up its Police Force, the only way it happens is if the cops interests are secured in the regionalization….

We see hideous tribalism in the cherry picking done by insurers . the corpse left dead in the street while onlookers cower is not seen but the rich should really have their heads chopped off in this country along with their retainers ….Hardly playing “Footsie”, The States and Federal government have promoted this socioeconomic tribalism by approving such schemes in thoroughly corrupt graft havens known as Insurance Commissions….

We’re Tribal all right , Violent- Stone- Age- Tribal.
We, .. like various Pakistani Tribes, have evolved only in the sense that we prefer rockets to rocks.

142. JJB - 16 November 2007

I don’t watch shows such as Press The Meet or The Tweety Blueballs Yakathon, and I don’t watch these “debates” either, which have nothing to do with debating, and which are really nothing more than joint talk show interviews MCed by people who think the story should be about them, such as Wolfman Blitz, Campbell Brown, etc. Whatever dim sense of civic responsbility I might have felt disipated yesterday as I sat watching while the Wolfman, Campbell, and some other woman MSMer whose name I didn’t catch prattled on and on about what they thought the candidates should discuss, what they needed to do to calm what they believed were public fears about them and their policies, so on.

Well, as bad as that was, here’s something that proves the whole process is even worse than I’d thought:

Maria Luisa, the UNLV student who asked Hillary Clinton whether she preferred “diamonds or pearls” at last night’s debate wrote on her MySpace page this morning that CNN forced her to ask the frilly question instead of a pre-approved query about the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository.

“Every single question asked during the debate by the audience had to be approved by CNN,” Luisa writes. “I was asked to submit questions including “lighthearted/fun” questions. I submitted more than five questions on issues important to me. I did a policy memo on Yucca Mountain a year ago and was the finalist for the Truman Scholarship. For sure, I thought I would get to ask the Yucca question that was APPROVED by CNN days in advance.”

Now, Luisa is getting “swamped” with critical e-mails.

So what happened?

Writes Luisa:

“CNN ran out of time and used me to “close” the debate with the pearls/diamonds question. Seconds later this girl comes up to me and says, “you gave our school a bad reputation.’ Well, I had to explain to her that every question from the audience was pre-planned and censored. That’s what the media does. See, the media chose what they wanted, not what the people or audience really wanted. That’s politics; that’s reality. So, if you want to read about real issues important to America–and the whole world, I suggest you pick up a copy of the Economist or the New York Times or some other independent source. If you want me to explain to you how the media works, I am more than happy to do so. But do not judge me or my integrity based on that question.”Rivals to Clinton believe that the debate audience had a pro-Clinton tilt. UNLV was responsible for distribuing most of the tickets.

In a separate post, Luisa provides the question she wanted to ask:

Yucca Mountain, NV is the proposed site for the country’s nuclear waste repository. Despite scientific evidence that it is a vulnerable site, the federal government continues to push for the plan to move forward. The evidence relied on is unsound and the risks involved in transporting high-level radioactive waste across the country are high. What will you [Sen. Clinton] do to ensure that the best site/s is/are chosen for the storage of spent nuclear reactor fuel?Sam Feist, the executive producer of the debate, said that the student was asked to choose another question because the candidates had already spent about ten minutes discussing Yucca Mountain.

“When her Yucca mountain question was asked, she was given the opportunity to ask another question, and my understand is that the [diamond v. pearls] questions was her other question,” Feist said. “She probably was disappointed, but we spent a lot of time with a bunch of different candidates on Yucca Mountain, and we were at the end of the debate.”

Presumably, some of her other non-Yucca Mountain questions were a good deal more substantive than this bit of fluff.

I knew I wasn’t missing anything by skipping this stupid “debates,” but it’s always nice to have your opinions vindicated in this way.

143. Miss Devore - 16 November 2007

141 “Student Forced to cast Pearls before Swine”

144. bayprairie - 16 November 2007

pretty good thumbnail checklist on the SF bay spill at the marin independent.

Fish wrap: Bay oil spill debacle a cascade of errors

THE SAN FRANCISCO Bay oil spill is an unparalleled debacle.

So many mistakes and missed opportunities taint events before and after the spill that one is left to wonder what, if anything, went right regarding efforts of those who are supposed to prevent, then mop up such disasters.


even the employees of Marine Spill Response Corp, the national nonprofit firm funded primarily by oil companies, hired to clean the spill seem horrified:

Spill response workers say not enough of them were available

Much of the oil that spilled into the bay from the cargo ship that rammed the Bay Bridge last week could have been scooped up had the company responsible for the cleanup not kept its local staff at a bare minimum, two workers with the firm said Wednesday.

The employees of Marine Spill Response Corp., which was under contract with the owner of the Cosco Busan container vessel to clean up the 58,000 gallons of bunker fuel oil, said there were about 18 cleanup workers available at the company’s three sites in Richmond, Martinez and Concord when the spill happened. At least 50 were needed to clean up the oil promptly, they said.


Cleanup officials and representatives of the Cosco Busan said there were five skimmers on the scene of the spill within two hours of the accident Nov. 7, enough to recover all the oil had it not been swept away by the tides.

But the workers interviewed Wednesday disputed that the response was adequate.


The firm “chooses to employ minimal staffing at their locations,” Merrilees said. “In an environment like San Francisco Bay, with the tides racing in and out and the currents what they are, you’ve already lost the war if you show up with your people a day late.”


Complaints about staffing are not new in the industry. In 1995, Marine Spill Response reduced its staff to 177 employees from 441, the ILWU said. After 2003, the company merged union cleanup cooperatives in Southern California and the Bay Area into one interconnected force relying on the cascading system.

less bread!
more taxes!

something people should needle the beyond clueless major, and governor about.

New rule on ships’ hulls would prevent oil spills

The International Maritime Organization saw the Cosco Busan oil spill coming: Last year it banned new ships from being built with their fuel tanks along the hull beginning in 2010.

In effect, the U.N. agency determined that increasingly big, fast ships that in many cases carry as much fuel as a small oil tanker should not carry that fuel directly behind a single-layer hull.

One University of California, Berkeley, engineering professor compared the design with that of the Ford Pinto, the 1970s car that gained a reputation for gasoline tanks that could explode in rear-end accidents.

“I think the Pinto is the perfect example,” said Bob Bea, who is also a former oil tanker captain. “We need to recall them and retrofit. Put them (fuel tanks) inside.”

makes sense to everyone. except to the corporate profiteers.

The final question is; can container ships like the Cosco Busan be designed with double hulls? The answer is yes. This double layer of protection could even be applied only to the areas around the fuel oil tanks thus saving money during construction. Alternatively the fuel tanks could be moved to the center of the ship, away from the vulnerable outer hull.

With the solution seemingly simple why hasn’t it been implemented? The reason is financial trade offs. The space required for the additional hull would mean fewer containers could be stacked inside the ship’s hull. Less containers means more round trips and higher prices for the consumer of Chinese goods.

145. cad - 16 November 2007

Another sham media controlled debate. How about a replay of the crowd cheering Kucinich on impeachment?

Maybe Kos will rail against it in NEWSWEEK…HA HA!

146. JJB - 16 November 2007

Miss D, no. 142,

That’s extremely funny.

Just noticed that Duncan Black has a brief piece (does he post any other kind?) criticizing CNBC for a pro-management tilt in covering the Writers Guild strike. It starts out:

Spot The Bouncing Bulls—

On my CNBC teevee screen:

That would look a lot better if it weren’t running directly under the Chevron ad, DB.

147. BooHooHooMan - 16 November 2007

137 JJB Here’s still more indications that Pakistan as a geopolitical entity is rapidly becoming a thing of the past:

Who are WE kidding…

Rural true believin militia nuts with day jobs in the Sherrifs Dept.

The Local Police in UTAH or Sand Flea Whatthefuckville – huhuh-ing
to Warren Jeffs ritualized rape of a 14 yo with families going along ith it….

The Jesus Camp VooDoo of Haggard and Dobson to infiltrate the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs.

The Jena 6 Prosecutor Jesus Juicer

Forgive the Labels as they are the problem , But when in a collapsing Rome….So We got the Holy rollers and the Lubavitchers,
the Gang Bangers ,Steroid Freaks and CrackHeads,
The Cops and Punks, the Game Players and ‘NetCafe Society , Not to mention the Body Sculptors Jockstraps and Workout Junkies .Fans of every stripe with The Arts more likely to be held up to ridicule than it is to be experienced or appreciated much less contemplated or enjoyed.

And right up Top, we have the HeiressTokeCrazy / Corporate Class
whose social position have been traditionally secured by men very much like Musharraf in deed and motivation: the desire for Power for Powers sake. And Rodney “Brain Nearly Clubbed In” King had the audacity to ask: ” Can’t we all just get along?” Was he fucking crazy in ?!@?

Given the pandemic corruption the answer is No, Fuck NO! Not even if we wanted to with the yoke of Market Exploitation , Religious Sectarianism, and the elevation of Aggression trumping any notion of a common humanity or perhaps a better way of Life… it must be cast off or continue to watch your back when in this part of town or other.

Paul Fussell had a Book Class that pretty entertainingly dispatched with the “In it Together ” Scheisse. He noted twenty Five some Years ago that Americans in Small towns would always demure when asked about class divisions – even divisions at all. Then with little goading would inevitably dish on who was “who” and gush that this section of town was the shizzle with Country Club A, Church B , Masonic Lodge C and so forth ….Exponential Sprawl has since done in the already diminished ties to locale. Most “communities” now are hardly that, thought mostly as a “place” not a “where” with other people, purpose and Life. It’s thought of now as a housing location convenient to shopping and hopefully neither to close or far to the coal mine of a working environment that makes it all possible….

Our cohesion here is mostly rammed in our brains by the media and a mostly frivolous popular culture Sports, PseudoEvents, and our common Neanderthals interest in club wielding violence.. With all official language meant to subordinate and most language spoken meant to deceive, Theres Certainly not much thats REAL in terms of cooperation in times of crisis. No urgency to pass the tourniquette, no quick footed deployment of “national” resources…. It’s seen in New York, NO, and the SoCal fires and now San Fran. There’s hardly any thinking of that kind anymore, the idea of “pooled” resources, mostly because of the corruption. It’s all just discreet cost benefit analysis – that – given its narrow scope – can hardly justify ANY social compact . We see it in the rigid walls built between urban and suburban political and budgetary bounds despit the fact that resource pooling would be more efficient. . In this regard, you will ALMOST NEVER see some local local town give up its Police Force, the only way it happens is if the cops interests are secured in the regionalization….

We see hideous tribalism in the cherry picking done by insurers . the corpse left dead in the street while onlookers cower is not seen but the rich should really have their heads chopped off in this country along with their retainers ….Hardly playing “Footsie”, The States and Federal government have promoted this socioeconomic tribalism by approving such schemes in thoroughly corrupt graft havens known as Insurance Commissions….

We’re Tribal all right , Violent- Stone- Age- Tribal.
In aggregate, this now duct taped, clusterfuck of a country that WE live in, is quite like Post Nuclear Orgasm Pakistan…Like the various Pakistani Tribes who long for THEIR tribal finger on the button, we have evolved only in the sense that we prefer rockets to rocks.

148. marisacat - 16 November 2007

hmmm the guppy is up in Newsweak…


149. marisacat - 16 November 2007


plus there are not enough official cleaners to go around. THIRTY beaches are shut….

I got http://www.zunasurf.wordpress.com to stay up for me (and not crash the computer) if I open it in Firefox…

and they are saying no cleaners in most of Marin and NONE in E Bay (except for a single canned comment, not a word from Barbara Lee that I have seen… did pelosi kill her and dump the body?) so they are begging for photos from people. They mention yet another man (not the same as Marin I-J wrote about a few days ago) who was arrested for trying to clean Muir Beach… and it is still caked iwth oil (zuna surf has pics).

I think the destruction is intentional and there ia a plan to destroy our fishing and crabbing. I don’t care how irrational that sounds.

The surf guys have the best h old on this… and are so in the present tense, organised and smart that officials DO talk to them… but now Ocean Beach is fully shut and if you even try to go there, security on motocycles (on the beach) chase you off – but to get back to the surfers they say the stuff is out there and ”moving around”, because it returns to beaches ti had stopped washing up on.

the whole thing is terrible… and I Hope some people are thinking ahead to what will be done to us post event in the case of a big earthquake. That is, if Katrina was not enough for people, and apparently it was not.

150. Miss Devore - 16 November 2007

146–spoken like a true guppy, after receiving his infusion of food flakes. It’s simply amazing that we have no idea which path the Dems will take on funding the war. Especially when we hear most of the Dem prez candidates saying they can’t commit to being out of Iraq by 2017.

Stick it to them ‘lil firebrand! And make sure they know you wore the boots!

151. JJB - 16 November 2007

Just read the guppy’s glug. That piece was so pedestrian I fully expect to see it strolling along H Street when I leave work tonight. It should come with its own sidewalk.

152. JJB - 16 November 2007

Addendum to last comment,

There must be more than a couple of interns who could have produced that piece. I don’t know what Newsweek is paying Kosolini, but they could have saved themselves a fair amount of change is they’d just handed it to one of the indentured servants they’re underpaying.

153. marisacat - 16 November 2007

just made it to the end. May I say that Newsweek is begging for my forebearance in making me click again to read the whole (a page 2). It is all that the guppy is capable of, and it is STILL remarkably bad.

I mean, turgidly bad. Who will read that sludge?

Kos is a stick figure for Rove to demolish with a nail file.

154. marisacat - 16 November 2007


*[new] Word count: 621 (5.00 / 2)

Bridal guide editors commision more than that.
Please, don’t make me click through to Newsweek again. Except maybe Karl’s column, for count comparison.

by MarketTrustee @ Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 12:50:58 PM PST
[ Respond to this Idiocy

155. JJB - 16 November 2007

Here’s something that might be worth a column in an issue of Newsweek, TIME, etc. Might even be worth a NYT headline, but it’s buried in wire service items:

Army Desertion Rate Highest Since 1980

Soldiers strained by six years at war are deserting their posts at the highest rate since 1980, with the number of Army deserters this year showing an 80 percent increase since the United States invaded Iraq in 2003.

While the totals are still far lower than they were during the Vietnam War, when the draft was in effect [and when the Army had a lot more personnel that it currently does – JJB], they show a steady increase over the past four years and a 42 percent jump since last year.

”We’re asking a lot of soldiers these days,” said Roy Wallace, director of plans and resources for Army personnel. ”They’re humans. They have all sorts of issues back home and other places like that. So, I’m sure it has to do with the stress of being a soldier.”

The Army defines a deserter as someone who has been absent without leave for longer than 30 days. The soldier is then discharged as a deserter.

According to the Army, about nine in every 1,000 soldiers deserted in fiscal year 2007, which ended Sept. 30, compared to nearly seven per 1,000 a year earlier. Overall, 4,698 soldiers deserted this year, compared to 3,301 last year [and what you want to bet that with Thanksgiving and Christmas just around the corner, a hell of a lot more desert in the next few weeks? – JJB].

The increase comes as the Army continues to bear the brunt of the war demands with many soldiers serving repeated, lengthy tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. Military leaders — including Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey — have acknowledged that the Army has been stretched nearly to the breaking point by the combat. Efforts are under way to increase the size of the Army and Marine Corps to lessen the burden and give troops more time off between deployments.

”We have been concentrating on this,” said Wallace. ”The Army can’t afford to throw away good people. We have got to work with those individuals and try to help them become good soldiers.”

Still, he noted that ”the military is not for everybody, not everybody can be a soldier.” And those who want to leave the service will find a way to do it, he said.

While the Army does not have an up-to-date profile of deserters, more than 75 percent of them are soldiers in their first term of enlistment. And most are male.


Unlike those in the Vietnam era, deserters from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars may not find Canada a safe haven.

Just this week, the Supreme Court of Canada refused to hear the appeals of two Army deserters who sought refugee status to avoid the war in Iraq. The ruling left them without a legal basis to stay in Canada and dealt a blow to other Americans in similar circumstances.

The court, as is usual, did not provide a reason for the decision.

156. marisacat - 16 November 2007

Just got an email from the Pelosi office on El Spill:


Our primary focus is, of course, cleaning the oil spill as rapidly as possible. Resources are being accessed to begin remediation immediately and I will continue working with my colleagues to ensure that all available resources are being used effectively to clean the spill.

The full power of the Speaker’s office will be utilized to ensure that federal, state, and local efforts are coordinated to restore the health and beauty of the San Francisco Bay.

Nothing has worked so far.

157. marisacat - 16 November 2007

hmm the whole Rove v Guppy non match reminds me of films of animals/critters who consume insects, smallish, slightly crunchy, but down the hatch, with calm dispatch.

158. wu ming - 16 November 2007

i suspect that it is exactly groups like zunasurf that will do any good in a big disaster like an earthquake. right back to anarchist mutual aid, when you think about it.

get to know your neighbors, try to cobble something together.

the government will be providing riot control, but that’s about it from what i can see.

159. BooHooHooMan - 16 November 2007


160. melvin - 16 November 2007

156 Reminds me of all the hysteria about crime, breakins, home security, etc. Any cop will tell you the best thing you can do is get to know your neighbors.

161. marisacat - 16 November 2007


I agree wu ming.


Oops forgot to post this earlier… an interesting piece on protest in Olympia… the years of opposing the stryker brigade shipments..

while i was there at Counterpunch I saw that they pciked up the LAT opinion piece by Benazir’s neice.

162. marisacat - 16 November 2007

oh you HAVE to laugh… Chavez says he will cut off oil exports to the US, if Bush strikes Iran.

163. BooHooHooMan - 16 November 2007

At newsweek.

posted By: BooHooHooMan @ 11/16/2007 7:49:52 PM

Comment: This is Hillary-us , Markos now talking about the Democratic Party at “arms length.” Moulitsas pushed this con HARD that Dems would oppose Bush.
“Send in your dollars kids” was the mantra, “We’re Crashing the Gates”. was what Moulitsas and his stock touting Partner in a Democratic Consultancy urged theifoisted upon their readers. LOL.

The only “Road Less Taken” here, is one of candor, credibility, and backbone. Like Mr. Rove, Moulitzas has a habit of purging less than flattering content off his servers.
After a high visibility poster on Moulitsas website called an outspoken woman a “cu** , a bit**, a wh*re”, Moulitsas encouraged the blogger known as “Delaware Dem” to re=register under another pseudonym to enable him to continue posting on his blog. What warranted such an outrage?? The woman was outspoken in her dissappointment with Democratic inaction. It is the very issue Moulitsas has the gall to hold forth on NOW.

Deal with it. (15+ / 16-)

Recommended by:
mickey, taylormattd, eugene, musing85, Nonpartisan, eeff, northsea, corndog, michael1104, HollywoodOz, coigue, terrypinder, Ice Blue, Team Slacker, mystery2me
Trollrated by:
Mark H, CJB, pb, jennifer poole, Politburo, lrhoke, TeresaInPa, Thistime, greenskeeper, station wagon, bluestateonian, demondeac, Robert Davies, Pager, shaharazade, PhantomFly

Mariscat is a cu– of the first order.

by Delaware Dem on Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 01:11:56 PM PDT

Seriously. Troll Rate me. Ban me. (8+ / 12-)

Recommended by:
mickey, taylormattd, Nonpartisan, eeff, corndog, HollywoodOz, Team Slacker, Nightprowlkitty
Trollrated by:
lrhoke, hardleft, jxg, TeresaInPa, polecat, Thistime, greenskeeper, Robert Davies, Pager, fairfax, PhantomFly, newhorizon

But Mariscat is a bitc*, a wh*re, and a cu–. Whatever derogatory term you want to use, use.

by Delaware Dem on Thu Feb 01, 2007 at 01:31:58 PM PDT

By The Way, this cretin, a lawyer from Philadelphia still has posting privileges on Moulitsas blog.
Disgustingly, a number of Mr. Moulitsas most loyal supporters RECOMMENDED this behavior. Hideously, “Pastor Dan” a blogger featered on KosMedia’s StreetProphets.com also smeared the woman for expressed disappointment over the lack of Democratic Delivery….
Though Moulitsas and “Pastor Dan” purged public servers of their commentary encouraging the abuser , there are archved copies of this widely this travesty readily available on the web. “The Road Less Travelled” for Democrats as well as their apologists and soft ball pseudocritics like Moulitsas can be summed up in a word: CREDIBILITY. Now Newsweek has the problem…..

164. Miss Devore - 16 November 2007

Good work, BHHM. It appears your post has not been reported as abuse…..yet.

165. melvin - 16 November 2007

What if they had a serious candidates’ forum on energy and climate – and nobody came? Even on the very day the fourth IPCC Assessment is being released?

Grist is having one Saturday, Nov 17th at 2 pm pacific time, in cooperation withe the League of Conservation Voters Education Fund, California League of Conservation Voters Education Fund, Center for American Progress Action Fund, NRDC Action Fund, and the Presidential Forum on Renewable Energy.

All the prez candidates were invited. Only Clinton, Edwards, and Kucinich accepted, and good on them for that, whatever else one may think about them. Each will have a full half hour.

Live webcast here

166. BooHooHooMan - 16 November 2007

With Markos fluff at Newseek, is this Irony lost on anyone???

Writers Strike Continues
by MissLaura
Fri Nov 16, 2007 at 04:22:34 PM PST

167. marisacat - 16 November 2007

And really the writers are fighting for a share of monies off the INTERNET.


I admit I am interested to see what rove cranks out against guppy-just-a-guy-with-a-blog.

Track all the happy wee inner tubal pundits, they all took a considered position on the war – and other things… from Calpundit, Kevin Drum to ol’ Sully… and others. Yglesias, Alter (tho he lost his perch at MSNBC… and has had other public meltdowns, but The Nation will give him a nest forever I am sure) and so on…

Oh I know Kos “opposed” the war when he was building his blog… but let’s get real. The joint is pro war, pro mil, pro service, pro government, pro The State vs the People…


168. BooHooHooMan - 16 November 2007

Miss D I doubt Newsweek will Purge

Nonetheless, These screenshots are available for archive
I’ll try again with the HTML, Maybe breaking it in two posts will help..

DDem unhinged1
DDem unhinged2

169. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2007

I have a thing or two to say about the li’l ewe who was “forced” by big, bad Wolf to ask something she really didn’t want to.


170. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2007

I got the link to this from Crooks and Liars, which has video of Randi’s speech:

The event’s highlight came in the form of keynote speaker Randi Rhodes, a popular host on the liberal talk radio network Air America (heard locally on WDTW-1310 AM). Rhodes delivered a series of one-liners — not jokes, but rather elements of the progressive canon. From opposition to “pre-emptive war” to the privatization of conflict (“The military is not in service to corporations, ” said Rhodes, “and corporations are not the military.”) to warrantless searches, seizures and wiretaps being conducted in the name of national security, she laid these touchstones down one by one until they formed both a link to the past and a road to the future, all built on the bedrock foundation that our Constitution is the law of the land and that no man is above it.

At that point Rhodes began talking about what happened when Dennis Kucinich, an Ohio congressman who’s seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, introduced a bill last week calling for the impeachment of Vice President Dick Cheney. [snip]

But, to the surprise of almost everyone, House Republicans began throwing their support behind Kucinich — not because they know their party’s leader and his No. 2 deserve to be put on trial for committing high crimes and misdemeanors, but rather as a way to embarrass Pelosi and the Democrats.

“They were treating this as a joke,” railed Rhodes.

Kucinich was seeking a floor vote on his bill, but the Democratic leadership was able to instead maneuver it to the House Judiciary Committee.

And here’s where things got particularly interesting in terms of Rhodes’ speech, because one of the few people in the world who has a direct hand in determining the fate of that bill — U.S. Rep. John Conyers of Detroit, the Democratic chair of the House Judiciary Committee — sat in the audience, less than 20 feet from her.

Before the Democrats regained control of Congress in 2006, Conyers was one of the leading voices discussing the possibility of impeaching George Bush and his shadowy veep. After the election, with the House leadership declaring that impeachment was off the table, Conyers said that the votes needed to force the duo from office weren’t there, and as a consequence pursuing impeachment would be counterproductive.

After her talk, Rhodes knelt alongside Conyers’ chair and they had what looked to be a friendly chat that ended with an embrace. Afterward, as Rhodes was racing to catch a plane home, we tried to ask her what was going on with Conyers. Without breaking stride, Rhodes relayed that Conyers told her for something to happen with the legislation there would have to be an outpouring of public support for the bill.

We then collared the always-congenial Conyers and asked him what was going through his mind as he heard Rhodes endorse the call for impeachment and saw the crowd of lefties stand and give that endorsement thunderous applause.

“I can’t tell you,” responded Conyers.

We pressed him, pointing out what he’d told us in the past about impeachment being counterproductive. But that was before Republicans voted to make this an issue, Conyers explained.

“Events have changed the situation,” he said.

I’ll believe it when I see him begin hearings.

171. Miss Devore - 16 November 2007

I bought a new broom today. since I was walking a few blocks with it, I had hoped to run into someone I knew, and say–I don’t know why people call me a witch…..but no luck.

The bristles are made of recycled plastic bottles. My fair city is actually looking into a ban on plastic water bottles. I understand the excessiveness related to them: students leave half-finished plastic bottles of water in my office all the time–at first I tried to look at it as “offerings” made to appease me, but I ultimately concluded that people feel compelled to buy bottled water, even though they don’t appear to miss it when they leave it behind.

172. marisacat - 16 November 2007

oh ffs:

Conyers told her for something to happen with the legislation there would have to be an outpouring of public support for the bill.

conyers needs to go home.

173. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2007

at first I tried to look at it as “offerings” made to appease me

do they tear the heads off before they leave them, like cats?

The Crooks and Liars post where I found the link claims:

Bernie Sanders and Russ Feingold have been saying on the radio that they haven’t been hearing from the public on Kucinich’s proposal so they don’t think we want Shooter impeached


174. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2007

just to tilt at windmills though, I went and email Russ and Gwen Moore, my rep, asking them to support K’s bill.

175. marisacat - 16 November 2007

well I heard that Feinstein’s office was not hte only one to receive NINE to one emails, letters and phone calls against the IWR vote of October 2002.

And we see how much they cared.

Their game is that people will vote for them anyway.

Like the constituent for Sherrod Brown said, when she stopped SB and said look I worked for you, canvasses and donated and now you vote for funding the war. he said,

You vote your way and I’ll vote my way.

Their way or the highway. They KNOW people fall in line and vote for them.

176. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2007

The abortion ship’s doctor

Rebecca Gomperts, abortion doctor and activist, arrives straight from Heathrow, dressed in a smart suit, a big smile lighting up her girlish face. She is stopping off briefly en route to another engagement – a special screening of the film Vera Drake. She isn’t keen. “I’ve seen it lots of times,” she sighs, adding mischievously: “I’m going to try to get out of it.”

The event has been organised to tie in with the 40th anniversary of the 1967 abortion act, which is also the reason Gomperts, 41, is in Britain. She is the founder of Women on Waves (WoW), a radical Dutch organisation that sails an “abortion ship” to countries where the procedure is illegal, before taking women out to the safety of international waters to provide terminations.

Gomperts’ reluctance to see the Mike Leigh film is not because she is uninterested in the subject matter then. Her passion is evident, but after eight years of being involved in the fray over the abortion debate, she is keen to focus solely on her next voyage. Her goal, she states firmly, is to “get out of Europe”.

“So far we have sailed to Ireland, Poland and Portugal, all when abortion was illegal, with varying degrees of success, but we are looking to visit either South America or Africa next summer,” she says. “Wherever we go there is a lot of press attention and opposition from anti-abortion groups but it is in developing countries that women really suffer because of unsafe and illegal abortions. That is why it is important for us to go there and raise awareness, however difficult it may be.”

An article published in the Lancet medical journal earlier this year backs up her view that the burden of unsafe abortion is borne disproportionately by the poor, the disadvantaged and the young. There are an estimated 210m pregnancies worldwide each year, of which one in five ends in an abortion. An estimated 20m unsafe abortions are carried out each year, 97% of them in developing countries. According to the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF), complications from unsafe abortions account for 70,000 deaths annually, as well as countless injuries.

“It’s such a waste of life,” says Gomperts. “As a doctor, I look at the abortion issue from a health perspective and the fact is that an early abortion is safer than giving birth. That is not meant to promote abortion because if women want to have children it is a risk they are naturally willing to take. However, if they don’t want them they should never be forced to take that risk.”

177. moiv - 16 November 2007


Great piece, Madman. If I read one more “liberal” word about this poor little student abused into inanity by a live TV camera, I’ll have a spell of the fantods.

178. marisacat - 16 November 2007

really and truly just a thread………..


179. Madman in the Marketplace - 16 November 2007

thanks moiv.

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