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ffs! [encore ffs!] 16 December 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2006 Mid Terms, 2008 Election, DC Politics, Democrats, Divertissements, France, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Israel/AIPAC, Paris, U.S. House, U.S. Senate, Viva La Revolucion!, WAR!.

       mobile guillotine
It is supposedly a mobile guillotine used in Indre-et-Loire during the period of terror around 1794. The uprights were painted bright red so that the splattered blood could not be seen and it was driven by two coachmen when it had to be transported (always at night) from one city of the administrative department to another.   [ Musée Maurice Dufresne – 17, route de Marnay – 37190 Azay-le-Rideau ]

Now be honest, it is actually quite festive looking

I had to drag out a bit of Revolution to counter this flaming bullshit from the gentleman apologist at the AP, Charles Babington…

[a] new Democratic leadership team overestimated the impact of the Iraq war and the 2006 elections, learning too late they had no tools to force Bush and his allies to compromise on bitterly contested issues.

Both parties seem convinced that voters will reward them 11 months from now. And they agree that Congress’ gridlock and frustration are likely to continue until then – and possibly beyond – unless the narrow party margins in the House and Senate change appreciably.

In a string of setbacks last week, Democratic leaders in Congress yielded to Bush and his GOP allies on Iraqi war funding, tax and health policies, energy policy and spending decisions affecting billions of dollars throughout the government.  [affecting people too — Mcat]

The concessions stunned [don’t send this bunch to Casablanca — Mcat] many House and Senate Democrats, who saw the 2006 elections as a mandate to redirect the war and Bush’s domestic priorities.

Instead, they found his goals unchanged and his clout barely diminished.

Smelling salts to the fake battlefield!  — and loosen their metaphorical corsets.  I do believe they all fainted.

Bush’s scorched-earth strategy may prove riskier for Republicans who backed him, Hess said. Signs point to likely Democratic victories in the presidential and many congressional races next year, he said.  [it will not matter  — Mcat]

That is the keen hope of Congress’ Democratic leaders, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

They have admitted that Bush’s intransigence on the war surprised them, as did the unbroken loyalty shown to him by most House and Senate Republicans[his party supported him, stunning!  — Mcat]

Empowered by Bush’s veto threats, Republican lawmakers rejected Democratic efforts to wind down the war, impose taxes on the wealthy to offset middle-class tax cuts, roll back tax breaks on oil companies to help promote renewable energy and conservation, and greatly expand federal health care for children.  [well… that is one version! — Mcat]

Pelosi on Friday cited “reckless opposition from the president and Republicans in Congress” in defending her party’s modest achievements.

Americans remain mostly against the war, though increasingly pleased with recent reductions in violence and casualties, an AP-Ipsos poll showed earlier this month. While a steady six in 10 have long said the 2003 invasion was a mistake, the public is now about evenly split over whether the U.S. is making progress in Iraq.  [bingo!  the “surge” was all about domestic politics — Mcat]

Opposition to the war is especially strong among the Democratic Party’s liberal base. Some lawmakers say Pelosi and Reid should have told those liberal activists to accept more modest changes in Iraq, tax policies and spending, in the name of political reality.  [don’t worry, they did say FU!  over and over… — Mcat]

“They never learned to accept the art of the possible,” said Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., a former majority leader who is partisan but willing to work with Democrats. “They kept going right up to the limit and exceeding it, making it possible for us to defeat them, over and over again,” Lott said in an interview.

He cited the Democrats’ failed efforts to add billions of dollars to the State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which Bush vetoed twice because of the proposed scope and cost. A somewhat smaller increase was possible, Lott said, but Democrats refused to negotiate with moderate Republicans until it was too late.

“They thought, ‘We’re going to win on the politics, we’ll stick it to Bush,'” Lott said. “That’s not the way things happen around here.”

Oh it must smart to be lectured to by Lott.  Son of the Confederacy.

[D]emocrats should force Republicans into all-day and all-night sessions for a week or two, said Norm Ornstein, a congressional scholar for the right-of-center think tank American Enterprise Institute. The tactic wouldn’t change senators’ votes, he said, but it might build public awareness and resentment of GOP obstructionists in a way that a one-night talkfest cannot.

To date, Reid has resisted such ideas, which would anger and inconvenience some Democratic senators as well as Republicans.

hmmm mmm.


Thanks to Madman for the link to The Culture GhostThe Opposition Party?


UPDATE, 3:23 pm

FFS! encore!

The Hill-o-raptor (as I call it)…


Gee.  That just looks so safe……




1. NYCee - 16 December 2007

Hey dere.

Holiday cheer and all that…

Okay, not quite. Just checked my email after a long hiatus and discovered that the court cases to save Washington Square Park from the homogenizers, the suburbanizers, the soulwreckers, were lost. Just now got another urgent one on this matter, a call to action. I will link to site for same. For anyone who wants to weigh in, if the shoe fits, give a click to Preserve Washington Square Park for actions to take.

2. marisacat - 16 December 2007


I just read this past week there is one hold out… cannot think of his name, an unusual last name. he is the last real opposition.

[and hello!]

3. marisacat - 16 December 2007

Mark Benjamin via Information Clearing House:

Bashmilah, who at age 39 is now physically a free man, still suffers the mental consequences of prolonged detention and abuse. He is undergoing treatment for the damage done to him at the hands of the U.S. government. On Friday, Bashmilah laid out his story in a declaration to a U.S. district court as part of a civil suit brought by the ACLU against Jeppesen Dataplan Inc., a subsidiary of Boeing accused of facilitating secret CIA rendition flights.

Bashmilah said in the phone interview that the psychological anguish inside a CIA black site is exacerbated by the unfathomable unknowns for the prisoners. While he figured out that he was being held by Americans, Bashmilah did not know for sure why, where he was, or whether he would ever see his family again. He said, “Every time I realize that there may be others who are still there where I suffered, I feel the same thing for those innocent people who just fell in a crack.”

4. marisacat - 16 December 2007

from Schechter’s blog… no link, so he probably drew it from an email:


Word is that leadership in the House and Senate—meaning, in particular, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid—have agreed that there will be close to $40 billion in loan guarantees for nuclear power, coal-to-liquids and coal-to-gas in the huge $520 billion or so omnibus spending bill for 2008.

Along with corn-based ethanol, nuclear power and non-existent “clean coal” are the three major “solutions” to the climate crisis that most Republicans and too many Democrats see as the way out of the climate crisis. They’re not, and that’s why lots of people need to be making calls THIS MONDAY December 17th, Tuesday at the latest, to Nancy Pelosi’s and Harry Reid’s office to ask if the reports of $40 billion in loan guarantees for coal and nukes are true.

Of course this is why the T shirts and pamphleteers for “Clean Coal” were good to go at the Obama USC event with Miz Oprah.

And the anti nuke, who merely wished to stand ouside with their signs were “moved along”.

What a shock… and I think, just today as I toured the horse flesh stories, spied a pro nuke energy ad at some of the [cough choke strange] progressive sites.

5. ms_xeno - 16 December 2007
6. bayprairie - 16 December 2007


Screwing up

Earlier I blogged a piece based on a Hillary Clinton response to a question about her Iran vote. On first reading, the sentence structure looks like she accuses Obama and Edwards of coddling Hamas and Hezbollah. As pointed out in the comments, it was just poor sentence structure (or maybe bad copyediting), and so that interpretation was incorrect. I quickly updated accordingly.

People are now demanding that I pull the post, and in this super-heated primary environment, there’s plenty of venom directed at me.

I won’t pull the post, and here’s why: I screwed up, and I’m not going to erase the evidence and pretend I didn’t.

7. bayprairie - 16 December 2007

in your sheep-filled dreams. lieberman is the party.

Senator Reid: Show Me Something. Expel Lieberman Tomorrow.

by Steve Singiser
Sun Dec 16, 2007 at 04:26:27 PM PST

8. marisacat - 16 December 2007

that koswhack fella, so ethical. so vewy vewy wethical.

9. melvin - 16 December 2007

8 Even with the best of intentions, he rather misses the nuance. This is a man who read a Garrison Keillor essay about Republicans, missed the whole satire thing, and went on a rampage about an imaginary neocon Keillor. All because he had never heard GK, or even heard of him, on the radio or in print.

My personal favorite though is still his know-nothing attack on Steve Irwin, a day after his death. Pure class.

10. marisacat - 17 December 2007

hmm saw this lap dance Weintraub of the SacBee does on Arnold… and it reminded me that I cuaght a snip on the evening news… Bloomberg is back from Bali and had dinner with Arnold – to brief him HAHAHAHA!, reporters caught them going into The Palm. Even in that brief flash (and I don’t see Bloomberg on the nightly news here) I’d say he is very likely to get in. The rumors don’t die and I can see why…

They were quite cheery, I’d say they had had a couple of whatever they drink… Bloomberg looked a tad warm and Arnold’s face was in early sag. Must have run out of the house without taping his loose flesh back.

11. marisacat - 17 December 2007

hmm thinking of that East Side diner breakfast with Bloomberg.

What do yuo think? The Dems ram her thru somehow, and Bloomberg enters as a IND, with Obama as Veepessa? The reverse?

Seems a very possible scenario, one Ob did not mind telegraphing.

It’d be worth it for the blahg explosion.

I am just so comfortable disliking EVERYONE and their proxies, their mothers, their legal consorts, their GFs/BFs and their dogs even.

12. marisacat - 17 December 2007

here is a nickname for them

Blo-Ob. Blob

I am looking forward to a really bitchy year. Have to find amusement where one can.

13. marisacat - 17 December 2007

oh the gift that keeps on giving.

[D]uring an interview on PBS’ The Charlie Rose Show, the former president said that those who accuse him of favoritism towards his wife “have got it all wrong, because, you know, Charlie, I’ve pretty much lived my entire life as if I wasn’t married to her at all.”

Mr. Clinton added that in order to demonstrate his objectivity about Sen. Clinton’s qualifications, he would remove his wedding ring and keep it off for the duration of the campaign.

“As far as I’m concerned, from this day on I’m single,” the former president said.

During the free-wheeling one-hour chat, aides to Mr. Clinton gathered in the studio control room and frantically attempted to induce the engineers to cut short the interview,

with one aide trying to pull a cable out of its socket in the hopes that it would plunge the studio into darkness.

But their efforts were in vain as the former president continued his unbridled monologue, at one point touching on the similarities between a president and a prostitute.

“Being a president is a lot like being a thousand-dollar-a-night call girl, Charlie,” he said. “Experience matters.”

[it is snark, but I have seen it already passed around as fact, LOL]

LOL There is a NYT piece up… no matter how you read it, he is very much involved in the campaign, pretty much running things… they have assigned him a secretary to travel with him and “keep him on message”. Or be better at pulling the electrical plug when he is “wandering”. Or drooling all over himself…………

What a hoot. They are all lunatics.

14. Miss Devore - 17 December 2007

” I’ve pretty much lived my entire life as if I wasn’t married to her at all.”

we noticed.

15. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2007

Scott Ritter is arguing we should possibly cut off the Israelis.


It makes you wonder how many people in the elites they’ve pissed off recently that we don’t even know about.

The insidious manner in which the current Israeli government has manipulated the domestic political machinery of the United States to produce support for its policies constitutes nothing less than direct interference in the governance of a sovereign state. The degree to which the current Israeli government has succeeded in this regard can be tracked not only by the words and actions of the administration of President George W. Bush and the American Congress, but also by the extent to which a pro-Israel lexicon has taken hold within the mainstream media of the United States. Witness the pro-Israel bias displayed when discussing the situation in southern Lebanon, the air strike in Syria, or the Iranian situation, and the retarding of any effort toward a responsible discussion of anything dealing with Israel becomes apparent.

16. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2007

Israel at present can have no friends, because Israel does not know how to be a friend. Driven by xenophobic paranoia and historical grievances, Israel is embarked on a path that can only lead to death and destruction. This is a path the United States should not tread. I have always taken the position that Israel is a friend of the United States, and that friends should always stand up for one another, even in difficult times. I have also noted that, to quote a phrase well known in America, friends don’t let friends drive drunk, and that for some time now Israel has been drunk on arrogance and power. As a friend, I have believed the best course of action for the United States to take would be that which helped remove the keys from the ignition of the policy vehicle Israel is steering toward the edge of the abyss. Now it seems our old friend is holding a pistol to our head, demanding that we stop interfering with the vehicle’s operation and preventing us from getting out of the car. This is not the action of a friend, and it can no longer be tolerated.

17. marisacat - 17 December 2007

hmmm Gary Younge on the new Black political leadership, who gets petted and named as being it, and who does not.

More than eighty years later the value of the new “Negro” leadership is, it seems, directly proportional to its distance from the black community and its experiences. Its cheerleaders desire not so much to refashion black politics as to eliminate it altogether, not so much to eliminate racism as to eradicate discussion of it. This is not necessarily the fault of politicians. But it is their challenge.

“[Obama] is being consumed as the embodiment of color blindness,” says Angela Davis, professor of history of consciousness at the University of California, Santa Cruz. “It’s the notion that we have moved beyond racism by not taking race into account. That’s what makes him conceivable as a presidential candidate. He’s become the model of diversity in this period…a model of diversity as the difference that makes no difference. The change that brings no change.”

18. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2007

I’ve been looking at how quickly diaries scroll off the right column of Kos. It’s pretty slow considering that the Iowa primary is in two weeks.

And most of the diaries aren’t even about the primaries.

Diaries about bad 1970s and 1980s pop stars stay up for hours.



Yeah. I’m really worried about what Amy Grant thinks about politics.

There’s no enthusiasm on that site for the coming primary. The candidate diaries are indistinguishable from press releases. Even the left/progressive diaries are down in traffic.

19. JJB - 17 December 2007

Joe Lieberman is apparently going to endorse John McCain.

Please cover your mouths as you yawn.

20. wu ming - 17 December 2007

that younge article strikes me as a useful metaphor for left constituencies of all sorts: gays, women, labor, antiwar, etc. no longer tied to any organizational roots, and unwilling to bother the “exhausted guilt” of the mainstream (however defined) in the service of “winning” (but never really delivering to the community).

21. bayprairie - 17 December 2007

Harry Reid and holds
by kos
Mon Dec 17, 2007 at 09:04:51 AM PST

In short, “holds” bottle up legislation if Republicans place them. Not so much if Democrats do.

And here I thought Reid was the Democratic majority leader. I’m done with him.

Dodd for majority leader!

Heaping praise on Reid
by kos
Mon Mar 21, 2005 at 10:52:30 AM PST

As tough as losing Daschle may have been to some, is there any doubt that the GOP screwed up big time by ousting our ineffective Senate leader?

Given the chance to do it all over again, I would gladly trade that Senate seat for Reid’s ascendency to the leadership slot.

i know more than a few women who were banned from the blogs in 2005, chased off by the reid loving threadthug minions, for finding fault with “fightin'” harry reid on choice, and other issues.

kos is no visionary. and kos sold reid to the whacks for years, as exampled in the post above. reid hasn’t changed a bit.

so today, a very special extra large pink starched hankie goes to kos, to cry into.

22. marisacat - 17 December 2007

20 – wu ming

well the orgs – and more importantly, the leadership – ties its hope for success to the party. The party invites the leadership in, gives it a desk, phone and secretary of the sex of its choosing… and before you know it…….

McCarey who has been writing about the WGA strike at Counterpunch had an article on how owners/management worked strategically to break union cohesion (generally, not specifically w/r/t WGA). They enacted “special assignements”, where workers selected for all manner of reason but often because they were a problem to management, were asked to take on “special assingments”, receiving an office and various amenities. Of course most began to identify with management.

Once cohesion was broken, magically the need for “special assignment” work went away.

More and more I see the so called black leadership allowed in, groomed, carefully led into complicated little messes (Rezko all tied up with the Obama million dollar + house, sugary desserts like book deal advances) and then used to advance authoritarian plans already in place.

I have real disdain for the current games. And those who play them. White black yellow pink and blue.

23. marisacat - 17 December 2007


I posted at Dkos, in threads, three times, what I had pieced together about Reid. His leadership sharing agreement with Ensign, for one. I actually said, imo, the Republicans had chosen Reid and told the widdle Dems it was to be him.

The excuses for taking Reid as Leader over Durbin (whatever his flaws he can make floor speeches, Reid cannot) were in a word, flakey.

Just an old hack. It does not take political smarts to go back in his life and know he has been a hack from the beginning, when a “group of business men” in and around Searchlight selected him for college, at Georgetown. A cushy job as a Hill cop…

and whammo and whoopsie, you get a sick old on the take hack like Reid.

I found all those stupid stories Kos and his whacks told about Reid fighting the gambling mafia hilarious. I am sure it was the OPPOSITE. Reid is just part of the fucked Mormon influence in Reno and Las Vegas.

The party has TB, they breathe and it spreads.

24. marisacat - 17 December 2007

from The Note:

Giuliani is pulling back in New Hampshire (McCain’s must-win state), and placing his big bet on Florida — his strongest early-voting state. But it gets late early there, and Jan. 29 is late for early in any event.

“The question for Giuliani is whether he can survive a series of losses before the campaign even gets to Florida on Jan. 29 — losses that seem more likely now than when his campaign advisers hatched their ‘national, late-state strategy’ this year,” Michael Shear writes in The Washington Post. “As a result of his absence, Giuliani is a distant third in polls in Iowa, third in New Hampshire and fourth in South Carolina.”

25. aemd - 17 December 2007

“New Hampshire (McCain’s must-win state)”

The media is pushing McCain hard but I don’t see him taking the Republican primary in NH. He’s counting too much on his 2000 primary win. One of the biggest differences is that in 2000 he ran against Bush. This cycle he’s running as Bush including sending out a mailing that has an old photo of him in a flight suit and (not shitting ya here) harness. LOL.

“Independents are an important factor in New Hampshire, and McCain, who won the state in 2000, is now depending on them.”


IMO, Paul is going to pull in the Undeclareds McCain is counting on and considerin’ who won the NH GOP primary in 1996…. BTW, the best campaign mailing so far this season was a little booklet of Pauls. Very eye catching and well done. He’s a loon but credit where credit is due…..

26. marisacat - 17 December 2007

McCain is runing a pic of himself in a flight suit?

omigod, someone take him home.

27. marisacat - 17 December 2007

The Note (links at The Note if anyone cares)

Obama on Monday gets the endorsement of Rep. David Loebsack, D-Iowa.

Former senator Bob Kerrey, D-Neb., signed on with Clinton on Sunday, but he sure has plenty of nice things to say about Obama. And he says this to reporters after his endorsement event — just maybe slightly naughtier than it is nice: “I like the fact that his name is Barack Hussein Obama, and that his father was a Muslim and that his paternal grandmother is a Muslim. . . . There’s a billion people on the planet that are Muslims, and I think that experience is a big deal.”

ABC’s Jake Tapper tracks down Kerrey, who says he truly meant it as a compliment. Obama, he said, should “lead with it as a strength. There’s this nonsense out there about him being a Muslim Manchurian candidate. He should do a commercial, look the camera straight in the eye, and say, ‘My wife Michelle and I are Christians, but my father was a Muslim and my paternal grandfather was a Muslim, and that fact and my name means I can speak to a billion people around the world.’ “

28. lucid - 17 December 2007

“I like the fact that his name is Barack Hussein Obama, and that his father was a Muslim and that his paternal grandmother is a Muslim. . . . There’s a billion people on the planet that are Muslims, and I think that experience is a big deal.”

What a fucking ass… no wonder I left that school shortly after he became president.

29. marisacat - 17 December 2007

KerrEy is an extremely nasty man. I am sorry when he floated the idea of running and then had to scuttle off to a sweetheart deal at The NEw School, that more did not come out.

Pity whoever fragged him in Vietnam did part of the job, frankly.

30. lucid - 17 December 2007

Well he did enough damage during his first year at the New School for me to see him for the idiot he is. One of his first orders of business was to rebudget the various schools falling under its cloak according to which were the most profitable. This of course translated into the slashing of the Graduate Faculty budget making it impossible for already overburdened departments like Philosophy to hire the personel they’d been promised by the previous president [Fanon]. Of course, at the time the Graduate Faculty Philosophy Department had the best placement rate of any school in the country & attracted the top international philosophers to regular visiting positions. With the budget cuts, I somehow don’t think they’d be able to bring in the likes of Derrida, Heller, or Yovel anymore.

31. marisacat - 17 December 2007

btw, ROn Paul hit 6 mil on Sunday………..

32. lucid - 17 December 2007

btw – I should add that the board brought in Kerrey & fired Fannon because the later was a lousy fundraiser. He did however run the school very effectively.

33. marisacat - 17 December 2007

honestly there was a strong whiff of “save” in plopping Kerrey down at the New school… the stories against him from Vietnam were rising (again), the men who came forward against him, esp “Gerhard” were absolutely convincing…

and so on.

And again, another reason whyh e was on the ridiculous 9/11 Commission… he is tied in knots and thoroughly controllable.

34. wu ming - 17 December 2007

paul is going to be interesting to watch. i bet he’ll get delegates in NH, and because of how the CA republicans are distributing their delegates by CD, he could walk out of california with a significant # as well, from the bay area and the north foothills/north coast.

the only people i see out tabling here are from the obama and paul campaigns.

35. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2007

paul is going to be interesting to watch.

I find him a lot less compelling now that the tensions with Iran have been ratcheted down.

I supposed I genuinely believed we were going to war in September. Paul’s main appeal was that he threatened a split in the Republican party over Iran and was a possible check on the runup to war.

Nobody save Mike Gravel (who’s not perceived as a threat by anyone) was dissenting. Even Kucinich was quiet about it.

Now I’m starting to see the sleazier side of his campaign more clearly. It seems like a lot of emphasis is on raising money that’s not being spent. I also have a hard time getting a straight answer out of his supporters about immigration and abortion. They all seem to have a very practiced answer. “Oh I don’t agree with everything he says”.

I guess the real message is that if Ron Paul is one of the better candidates in the presidential race from either party, the electoral process is too corrupt to be reformed and you should stay out of it.

36. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2007

Hmm. So Obama is a closet Muslim and yet he was dealing drugs in his teens and 20s.

That’s bad because Muslims don’t touch drugs unless they’re trying to pass themselves off as normal western Americans, kind of like when those women in that movie “The Battle of Algiers” dressed up in western clothes or when Mohammed Atta went to strips bars.

OMG. Obama is getting read for Jihad.

Hillary told me that.

37. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2007

Hillary’s clearly doing the “Mary Cheney is a lesbian and I think that’s great” routine on Obama.


38. marisacat - 17 December 2007

hmm I see Mike S moved in to the thread, to defend Hillary (and camp and surrogates).

What a bevy of snakes that place is.

39. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2007


And so the paeans to the so-called two-party system are windows into the true nature of governance in the United States. Two large parties that are neither strictly coalitions nor especially ideological, locked in rough numerical parity, differentiating themselves on minor points of domestic policy, teeter-totter cycle after cycle on the fulcrum of a militarist, bipartisan, governing consensus that views the United States as a unique political entity whose position of global predominance must be maintained at any cost. These matters are loosely euphemized as “national security,” although the parties retain at minimum stylistic differences where “security” is concerned. It isn’t a particular program or policy that the parties share; it’s an unshakeable, unquestionable, unquestioned premise about the necessity of American predominance, not only as a means of maintaing the present, precarious standard of living in America, but also because of an actual and absolute belief that this state of affairs represents the best possible outcome for the world. This almost boundless hubris–that perpetual American dominance of global affairs is the ideal state for all of humanity–underlies the governance of the nation, and through party disputes, interagency rivalries, court intrigues, and election cycles, it remains unaltered.

40. Miss Devore - 17 December 2007

just saw the kerrey video. what a phony.

also heard that Hillary “teared up” at her campaign stop today.

amazing that she can act human on command.

my dog can do that, too.

speaking of which, I tried “jesus loves you” on my dog. it perked his ears up, though I suspect it has something to do with the phonetic similarity of “jesus” and “cheese treats”

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2007

unlike jesus, cheesus is real.

42. marisacat - 17 December 2007

jesus loves you yes he does………..

tell the chihuahua that the cheesus comes special delivery from jesus, you might get a convert.

43. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2007

My great grandfather was a member of the German American Bund (and Moon I know you’re reading this).

I wonder if that “experience” would help me deal with “Old Europe”? If I were running against Hillary, I wonder if she’d have her team dig it up to “compliment” me on it.

The tragic thing is that most Americans (including you Moon) would probably be less offended by that than by Obama’s father and grandmother being Muslims.

44. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2007

And I also have a great uncle who was a Communist. But, worst of all, I come from generations of Pope worshippers, and I’m sure if I had been running against Hillary in 1928, she would have “complimented” me on that.

I think it’s so great that he has the experience of being able to communicate with the flesh eating, blood drinking, idol worshipping Papists of old Europe.

He’ll even be able to show the Pope around DC and put him up at a good hotel while they’re renovating the White House basement for his holiness….

45. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2007

3 John Edwards operative diaries on the Rec List.

Has to be a record.

46. marisacat - 17 December 2007

hmm apparently KerrEy was on CNN today and repeated the slams… I see Ben Smith doe snot link to the CNN tramspcript. will pull it up.

KING: Well, you have to know when you’re about to say something like that, that some will twist it, especially in this age of the Internet and blogs. Did you think about that before you talked about it, or is it Bob Kerrey saying this is what I think; I’m going to say it?

KERREY: No, it’s something — by the way, I’ve told Barack Obama when I’ve met with him. It’s something that I’ve spoken about before. So this is not something that just sort of came out in the (inaudible) out there in Iowa. I’ve thought about it a great deal. I’ve watched the blogs, try to say that you can’t trust him because he spent a little bit of time in a secular madrassa.

I feel quite opposite. I think it’s a tremendous strength whether he’s in the United States Senate or whether he’s in the White House. I think it’s a tremendous asset.

47. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2007

I’ve watched the blogs, try to say that you can’t trust him because he spent a little bit of time in a secular madrassa.

Change the words a bit.

I’ve watched anti-semitic blogs try to say that Russ Feingold, well, you can’t trust him because he’s Jewish, that he’d be more loyal to Israel. But I think his being Jewish is an asset and he should be proud of it.

So fucking transparent I can’t believe anybody’s denying it.

48. marisacat - 17 December 2007
49. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2007

more militarism to come.

Republican and Democratic party strategists say veterans make strong candidates during a time of war, even though several lost election bids last time around.

“They can speak firsthand to a pressing issue,” said Rep. Rahm Emanuel , who as chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in the last election cycle recruited veteran Tammy Duckworth to enter an Illinois House race and then helped her win the primary.

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2007
51. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2007
52. marisacat - 17 December 2007

someone should straighten out the Rahm story, once and for all.

I am not at all disposed to duals (is he one?) serving in the congress nor veterans of other militaries (did he serve in the IDF?). The stories about him go back and forth.

Nor do I like recent veterans serving either. Just endless militarism. Duckworth was a classic example.

53. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2007
54. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2007

McKinney is in the presidential race.


55. Madman in the Marketplace - 17 December 2007

Thanks for that, HCfM.

56. marisacat - 17 December 2007


gee… Dkos must not know. I have not heard the reverberations of the massive explosion of hatred with Fpers and operatives lining up to pelt her with slime.

57. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2007
58. Hair Club for Men - 17 December 2007


Who’s her VP gonna be? I suggest David Duke; (10+ / 0-)
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they can bond over their hatred of Jews (after all, Jews have always been a far more pressing issue for David than blacks-his campaigns for office in LA wanted him to focus on attacking blacks [which they considered a salient issue there], but he persisted in attacking Jews and lost. Join the College Kossacks on Facebook. Hat Thief. by DemocraticLuntz on Sun Dec 09, 2007 at 11:31:58 AM PST

59. marisacat - 17 December 2007

the gift that keeps on giving. Wonder where it all ends.

Bill Clinton might have just done it again — saying something in the home stretch that will cause Hillary’s campaign a whole lot of trouble.

“Well, the first thing she intends to do, because you can do this without passing a bill,” Bill told reporters during a stop in South Carolina,

“the first thing she intends to do is to send me and former President Bush and a number of other people around the world to tell them that America is open for business and cooperation again.”

60. bayprairie - 17 December 2007

those dkos zionists sure love to hate on the black woman. funny how they regard her as the racist, isn’t it?

61. marisacat - 17 December 2007

From CNN’s Political Ticker:

UPDATE: The Republican National Committee issued this statement in response to Clinton’s comments:

“In 2009, a Republican president will be working with our friends and allies abroad to continue to keep our nation safe,” said RNC spokesman Danny Diaz. “The American people expect our leaders — both current and former — to present serious solutions to the very real challenges confronting our nation.”

You KNOW the Republicans are laughing. This is so like Kerry and Teresa H-K. COnfused as to party, confused as to how cmapaign.

Oh right a blow out is coming. Yeah right.

62. marisacat - 18 December 2007

hmmm and earlier tonight my local news said COndi is in Kirkuk on a surprise visit:

About 300 Turkish troops move several kilometres into northern Iraq, local officials say, stepping up pressure on Kurdish PKK rebels there.

For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

63. BooHooHooMan - 18 December 2007

FWIW I put up my tuppence on YouTube

Starting with the Clinton / Obama Drug Christmas Carolling


Obama as Hill Sparring Partner, Daley Creation…

Big Praise for the Boyos and Edwards in there too…..LOL..

64. marisacat - 18 December 2007

Just back the money laundering truck up to the WH, no matter who is in there.

65. BooHooHooMan - 18 December 2007

I was driving around today and BBC via NPR had Colin Powell holding forth on how Free Speech is alive and well better than ever in the US. That the Founding Fathers blah blah blah envisioned boistrous partisan dialogue….

Then amazingly Powell went on to describe out of another orifice how the country needs to put aside partisan bickering.

He whitewashed his tenure as Sec of State, Freedom’s March blah blah bla. Then held some country’s aren’t ready for Democracy..”They know what’s best for their culture their people..”
When the BBC-er called him on it reffing ME Monarchies Porky Powell said

I think what I was trying to say is…

Then, on Diane Rheems, Susan Page was guest host spooning with ex- Bill Drug Czar, Barry “Bad Choppers” McCatholic..

I managed to pull the car out of a tail-spin and pulled over to write it down as he finished saying

You can actually drive around Baghdad in an armored vehicle and not even get shot at now…

66. JJB - 18 December 2007

Well, Condi Rice made a surprise visit to Iraq.

And SO DID THE TURKISH ARMY. Apparently, they sliked it so much, they’re going to stay for a bit:

The Turkish army sent soldiers about 1.5 miles into northern Iraq in an overnight operation on Tuesday, Kurdish officials said. A Turkish official said the troops seeking Kurdish rebels were still in Iraq by midmorning.. . . The troops crossed into an area near the border with Iran, about 75 miles north of the city of Irbil, said Jabar Yawar, a spokesman for Kurdistan’s Peshmerga security forces.

About 300 Turkish troops crossed the border at 3 a.m., said Jamal Abdullah, a spokesman for the regional Kurdistan government. He said the region was a deserted mountainous frontier area.

The U.S. Embassy in Baghdad declined to comment on reports of the Turkish operation.. . . It was not clear how long the Turkish soldiers who entered Iraq on Tuesday would stay, but a Turkish government official said they were sent as ”reinforcements” to existing Turkish troops stationed further inside Iraq.

”They are going there as reinforcements, they are not returning,” the official said on condition of anonymity as he was not authorized to speak to the media.

About 1,200 Turkish military monitors have operated in northern Iraq since 1996 with permission from local authorities. A tank battalion has been stationed at a former airport at the border town of Bamerni and a few other military outposts were scattered in the region. Ankara rotates the troops there.

Asked about a reported clash between the Turkish troops and Kurdish rebels inside Iraq, Turkey’s President Abdullah Gul said: ”From now on, whatever is necessary in the struggle against terrorism, it is being done.”

Sounds as if Condi might better spend her time in Ankara than Kirkuk and Baghdad.

67. Miss Devore - 18 December 2007

BHHM–I see pyhrro is your first commenter….you’re going to give him youtube envy.

68. JJB - 18 December 2007

If you’re at all curious about what’s transpired in the Horn of Africa after our decision to use Ethiopia to invade Somalia, Chris Floyd has a very good post with links to several interesting pieces. Here’s a sample:

A year after the U.S.-backed Ethiopian army toppled a hard-line Islamist regime in Somalia, the country has become Africa’s worst humanitarian catastrophe. Some 200,000 refugees, mostly women and children, have fled from a pro-government offensive to makeshift camps along a 10-mile stretch of sun-baked asphalt that leads from the seaside capital of Mogadishu toward the inland town of Afgoye.

The crisis is brutal on young people. One night last month, Fatima Sheikh Ali awoke to the deafening crash of mortar rounds on her neighbor’s roof. Shrapnel blasted through Ali’s tin-walled home in Mogadishu, and sent her 13-year-old daughter, Muna, into her arms, quaking. Sometime in the chaos of that night, Muna stopped speaking. In an overcrowded encampment of sand and scrub a few miles from the capital, where the family now lives among thousands made homeless by the war, Muna silently collects firewood and looks after her siblings, a worried gaze fixed in her almond eyes.

“She is traumatized,” her mother said, and a warren of women who’d gathered around her murmured sympathetically. A nurse with the Somali Red Crescent Society said, “There is nothing to be done. It is a very sad story.”

…Most displaced Somalis, such as Muna’s family, live in dome-shaped huts fashioned out of spindly tree branches and covered with tattered swatches of fabric or plastic. They sprout from the sand like multicolored mushrooms along the road from the capital. The United Nations Children’s Fund said last week that one-quarter of the refugees around Afgoye were younger than 5. Both sides are using older boys as combatants, and girls who venture out of the camps risk being raped by freelance militias, the agency said.

Hey, these people could have it worse! They could be living a peaceful existence under a stable regime dominated by Muslim fanatics! Fortunately, we saved them from that awful fate.

Interesting that yesterday’s NY Times ran this piece on the victims of past US imperial meddling:

They call themselves America’s forgotten soldiers.

Four decades after the Central Intelligence Agency hired thousands of jungle warriors to fight Communists on the western fringes of the Vietnam War, men who say they are veterans of that covert operation are isolated, hungry and periodically hunted by a Laotian Communist government still mistrustful of the men who sided with America.


In a small hillside clearing about nine miles east of the Mekong River, Mr. Yang and four other veterans scratch out a primitive existence with their wives and 50 children and grandchildren. Their hidden jungle encampment is a 15-hour walk up and down low-lying mountains from the nearest paved road, across streams that are knee-deep in the dry season but can become roaring torrents when the monsoon comes.

Mr. Yang said his group had been attacked by the Laotian Army twice this year. In September, soldiers killed a 5-year-old boy, whose grave is on the outskirts of the camp. In May, a predawn raid killed a woman and her 2-year-old child. The group moves camp every few weeks to avoid attack, he said.

They are often miles from any rice paddies or hamlets, but sometimes they travel at night, with their AK-47s, to get supplies from sympathetic farmers. They say they got their guns and uniforms from Laotian troops who fled a firefight in 1999.

The C.I.A. operation, from 1961 until 1975, became known as the secret war because, unlike in Vietnam, America’s military involvement in Laos was covert. Instead of sending American ground troops to prevent a Communist takeover here, the C.I.A. hired tens of thousands of mercenaries, most of whom were Hmong, a hill-dwelling ethnic minority.

What that article doesn’t mention is that from 1971 to 1973, after the failure of the Saigon regime’s invasion of Laos, the US subjected the country to a bombing campaign in which we dropped 2 million tons of bombs, more ordnance than was dropped by all combatants worldside during WWII. That’s according to Wikipedia, anyway. If that figure is accurate, we dropped something like half a ton of ordnance for every Laotian as the population then was estimated at roughly 4 million. Laos had very little in the way of modern infrastructure, and just about none once we were finished with them.

Over the years, I’ve met several people who fought with these people, former Army Intel people (so they said, if they were actually CIA they never admitted it). Aside from their tales of having to dine on such delicacies as monkey brains, they described an extraorindarily loyal people who went to considerable lengths to protect them, often being willing to sacrifice their own lives in firefights so that the Americans stood a better chance of escaping from whatever foes were attacking them. Obviously, they’d have fared much better had we never decided to interfere in that part of the world.

69. JJB - 18 December 2007

I think two comments are in moderation. Seems to happen every time I post links.

70. ms_xeno - 18 December 2007


Why don’t these fuckers just own up to their own racism, and stop hiding behind my fucking skirts. I don’t need their dubious “protection” from McKinney. They make me fucking want to vomit.

71. ms_xeno - 18 December 2007

BTW, we had a second cat sick this week, plus more computer trouble. Sorry, Cynthia. But I promise to speak to the Worldwide Conspiracy after New Year’s regarding those matching funds.


72. aemd - 18 December 2007

IOZ on Clinton, Obama and “Donk Netrootsia” 😎


73. marisacat - 18 December 2007

sorry JJB, got both comments out of Moderation.


I have tried several times to change the default to allow up to at least 4 links without the filter freaking, it just ignores me….

74. marisacat - 18 December 2007


Ioz got htis one on the mark… I sure hope some people are catching on to the former First COuple and their racism:

And of course, had anyone locked eyes with HRC, you be sure as shit that what they saw flashing in her carnivorous brain was, “That fucking nigger . . .”

75. JJB - 18 December 2007

Juan Cole has a very interesting take on “Condit Does Kirkuk While Turkey Broils Kurdistan”:

The danger of a US confrontation with Barzani over the PKK, and its implications for the stability of the al-Maliki government, may be among the reasons for US Secretary of State Condi Rice’s surprise visit to Kirkuk. The Bush administration is underlining a recent political breakthrough in the oil-rich province, whereby the Arab representatives on the provincial council elected in January 2005 have agreed to stop their boycott of the council in return for Kurdish acquiescence in the appointment of Arabs in provincial government positions. But that agreement is fragile, and wrangling between Kurds and Arabs over other issues such as PKK provocations against neighboring Turkey could pull it apart. Kirkuk province also has a substantial Turkmen population, some large portion of which opposes incorporation of Kirkuk into the Kurdistan Regional Authority.

He also notes that, according to the WaPo, we’ve given the Turks real-time intelligence for locating PKK guerrillas. This is starting to look like the Reagan administration’s given aid to both Saddam and the Iranians during their war.

76. marisacat - 18 December 2007

hmmm I read the other day that the Kalpo brothers were arrested and released THREE times in this strange spasm down in Aruba, Natalee’s less than excellent adventure:

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:



77. JJB - 18 December 2007

Remember that scene in the movie Dirty Harry where the psycho killer Clint Eastwood’s pursuing hires someone to beat the living daylights out of him so he can claim that Eastwood did it and get him fired from the SF Police Department? I always thought that showed a distinct lack of intestinal fortitude on the psycho killer’s part: If he had any real guts he’d have done it himself. Apparently, a young man soon to be expelled from Princeton agrees with me, and had the courage to do the job the right way:



By Ilya Blanter – Princetonian Senior Writer

Francisco Nava ’09 said his falsification of threatening emails to prominent campus conservatives and subsequent assault on himself stemmed from a belief that his actions would draw attention to the pro-chastity cause, attendees at a Monday-evening meeting said early Tuesday morning. The gathering included Nava, Butler College administrators and fellow Anscombe Society members.

During the meeting, Nava also reportedly said he was the only person responsible for sending threatening emails to himself, three other Anscombe members and noted conservative politics professor Robert George and had no assistance in fabricating the alleged Friday-evening assault on him. Additionally, he described how he inflicted upon himself the injuries he had claimed resulted from the attack.

“He said he pummeled his face; he didn’t say what with. He scraped his head against a brick wall [and] broke the bottle … over his head,” Anscombe president Kevin Staley-Joyce ’09 said, referring to a glass Orangina bottle with which Nava had initially said his assailants beat him during the attack. “It certainly was enough to merit treatment by doctors,” Staley-Joyce added.


Nava admitted to being “responsible for everything that happened,” Staley-Joyce said, adding that Nava “saw Anscombe’s ideals as not making enough progress” and wanted to bring more publicity to the group’s cause.

“He wanted something big and showy as opposed to the approach that we set out in our mission statement,” Staley-Joyce said. The statement describes Anscombe’s goals as providing “social support and a voice” for students committed to its ideals and “intellectual engagement” on campus.

Another classic American movie, Splendor In The Grass, makes the point that if young people are forbidden to hump each other, they’ll either lose their sanity or get expelled from their Ivy League college (Yale, in the film’s case). At the time, a number of highbrow critics like Dwight Macdonald and Pauline Kael made fun of the filmmakers for espousing this point of view, but now it seems they were correct. Poor Mr. Nava went nuts, and he’s almost certainly going to be disowned as a Son Of Old Nassau. I can’t help thinking that William Inge and Elia Kazan were right, and he wouldn’t be in this fix today if only he’d made the double-backed beast with a willing partner.


78. marisacat - 18 December 2007


oh thanks for the post on Nava… just last night I read something about him on Marshall’s TPM.

What a strange odyssey…

79. lucid - 18 December 2007

Great news about McKinney. Wow, I actually have someone to vote for. No doubt Green Party NY will fail to contact me even though I am a registered member who has given them money before & actually worked the streets with mayoral ballot petitions

80. JJB - 18 December 2007

MCat, no. 78,

You’re welcome. Kidding aside, he’s obviously a very sick young man, and I find it hard to believe he didn’t have some enablers driving him towards this end, however inadvertent their assist might have been. I do hope Princeton takes a very close look at this Professor George, hard to believe his hands are clean in this matter.

If not for the writers’ strike, this would be a Law & Order episode in 5 or 6 weeks’ time. A few plot details and they could have it on SVU.

81. marisacat - 18 December 2007

I do hope Princeton takes a very close look at this Professor George, hard to believe his hands are clean in this matter.

defintely, a very malignant entity… all tied up with a very nasty politics, as well.

82. lucid - 18 December 2007

If not for the writers’ strike, this would be a Law & Order episode in 5 or 6 weeks’ time.

No doubt Fred Thompson would be all over it.

83. ms_xeno - 18 December 2007

Orangina bottles are for amateurs. Tasers are where it’s at now.

84. melvin - 18 December 2007

At Orange: Washington State Katrina The area has no major media centers close by. Inaccesible during the worst of it.

$58 million sought for flood victims, affordable housing

Gregoire also said the proposal seeks to ban deferred-interest options for subprime loans and eliminate prepayment penalties that kick in when a loan is paid off within a certain time period, typically three years after it’s sold.

Under the proposal, mortgage fraud would be a felony, and anyone involved in mortgage-lending scams also would be subject to greater civil penalties, the governor said.

Interesting to see the details. I remember Speaker Chopp from college dorm. Finding a room intended as a rec lounge not being used, he would ask for some ideas, then break out the tools and remodel and repaint it by himself.

85. wilfred - 18 December 2007

#82 LOL, bad actor Fred Thompson is out of a job on L&O. Sam Waterston has segued into that role thank goodness. ‘Ole Fred will have to be employed as a lobbyist from now on.

86. JJB - 18 December 2007

It’s fascinating to witness the panic at the upper levels of the GOP (including its media components like NRO and Weekly Standard):

The “Huckabee panic” some political bloggers are calling it: The conservative backlash gathering against former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee’s increasingly formidable bid for the Republican presidential nomination.
What seemed like a second-tier candidacy three weeks ago now has earned the startled attention — and enmity — of commentators in the Weekly Standard, the National Review, and other journals of the conservative movement who seem to see in the former Arkansas governor an unknown quantity with suspiciously compassionate tendencies and little foreign policy experience.
The columnist Rich Lowry said in the latest issue of National Review that Mr. Huckabee’s nomination would “represent an act of suicide by his party.” Like Howard Dean in 2004, Mr. Lowry wrote, Mr. Huckabee is “an under-vetted former governor who is manifestly unprepared to be president of the United States.”
Stephen Hayes, writing in the Weekly Standard, said Mr. Huckabee’s understanding of foreign policy was rudimentary at best, and often “sounded more like Dennis Kucinich than Dick Cheney.” [At this point, I wonder why they think that Kucinich/Cheney comparison is one that voters will find scary. – JJB]

To some extent, newcomers to the Huckabee panic take their lead from the uber-conservative PAC known as the Club for Growth, which sees Mr. Huckabee as a tax-raising, regulation-imposing, anti-business populist governor who spent too much of his tenure dealing with the problems of poor people (a large constituency in Arkansas, it should be said.) The club has been buying ads in Iowa showing the former governor (in his 300-pound form, before he lost 110 pounds and became a marathon runner), signing legislation as governor to raise taxes on cigarettes and impose a surcharge on state income taxes.

The real trouble here is that Huckabee, for all his bona fide wingnut credentials, is a genuine populist of a type that used to be common in the South, not unlike George Wallace without the naked appeals to racism. In spite of the NYT blogger’s assertion that “[Huckabee] sometimes alleges that ‘Wall Street types are afraid to death of a guy like me,’ but to date he has given them no reason to feel any such thing[,]” his plan to abolish the IRS and impose a national sales tax would deprive these people of all kinds of loopholes that permit them to avoid paying taxes commensurate with their incomes. No multimillionaire truly wants to see our current system of taxation fundamentally changed. Small wonder that Mitt Romney is desperately touring South Carolina, where Huckabee has surged ahead of him in the polls. Read between the lines of that article, and you’ll find the panic about Huckabee spreading to the Paper Of Record as well.

87. marisacat - 18 December 2007

speaking of HuckaNutter… I just saw this graph at TPM Election Central. Huckabee rising everywhere, Rudy falling.

The GOP – many of them – must be going nutz.

A snippet of the text:

New Hampshire has been the exception, with Huckabee rising only four points, and so far being unable to catch on here.

• In Nevada, Huckabee has surged by 15 points, while Rudy has stayed about constant.

• In South Carolina, Huckabee has shot up 20 points, while Rudy has fallen nine. As voters in this Bible Belt state got a closer look at “America’s Mayor,” a lot of them just fell away to the undecided column and to other candidates — and Huckabee probably got his piece somewhere along the line, along with Mitt Romney.

• Florida seems to be in the same boat as South Carolina. Huckabee has gained an amazing 24 points since late September, while Rudy has plummeted by ten.

88. sabrina - 18 December 2007

Interesting to see that the operatives on Daily Kos are still telling the lie that Cynthia McKinney is anti-semitic. Even AIPAC refrained from making that charge against her as it is so easily dis-proven should anyone care about DK propaganda. I wasted a lot of time arguing with them over that, proving them wrong with facts, during the last McKinney campaign.

Funny, what they do over there no longer means much, so insulated are they in their ever-shrinking cult.

Trying to catch up on reading as I’ve been very much out of touch with real news over the past several weeks. Being re-introduced to the US media is definitely a shock after not watching for more than a year. What strikes me most is how phony our ‘newspeople’ are, totally not to be taken seriously. It’s all infotainment.

I have been dying for some real news so am glad to be back online and reading this site again.

89. lucid - 18 December 2007

I think I said here months ago that I thought Huckabee was going to get the nod – he’s the only one who can win the south, and with a sizable chrisitian nutter contingent in the midwest, he should do well there as well…

Great, another fucker that believes the world is 6,000 years old. I thought ‘modicum of reason’ would be a qualification for elected office.

90. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2007

Auditioning for the College Republican Church Choir at Princeton University.

91. marisacat - 18 December 2007

well thr thing about HuckaNutter is that, if reports are to be believed, he has little cash and no organisation. I think you need some, at least, of both…

The Paul Loons seem to send in money (who knows what is really going on, I am suspcious of all cash business, LOL), but the evangelicals and home schoolers preach Huck, but little $$$$.

I still say the parties can ram thru whom they want.

92. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2007

The Paul Loons seem to send in money (who knows what is really going on, I am suspcious of all cash business, LOL),

Interesting Kos diary says it’s probably credit card debt.


What about it? Paul has raised a whole $18 million. Now that is a lot more than I will ever see, but it’s not much in a Presidential race. Clinton is over $80 million, Obama is over $60 million, Giuliani is in the $40 million range, you get the idea. Most of Paul’s money is from online. Not from supporters sending in checks from direct mailings or donations to the campaign offices. It’s all from on line. Credit cards. Paul has tapped something, and that is the willingness of fanatics to go into debt.

93. ms_xeno - 18 December 2007

Shut your hole, lucid. I for one am totally looking forward to my enforced “vacation” at the Sam Walton Memorial Compassionate Bible Fat Farm For Wayward Secular Fatties.

94. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2007

At this point, it strikes me that the best chance the Republicans have is to nominate McCain and go savagely negative on Hillary (or Obama).

95. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2007

Paul’s real strength seems to be in the fact that the anti-imperialist right is unified around him in a way the anti-imperliast left isn’t unified around anybody.

Some people on the left will like Kucinich, some McKinney, many more will just want to stay out of electoral politics altogtether.

But if your an anti-war wingnut, Paul’s just about the only game around.

96. marisacat - 18 December 2007

Interesting Kos diary says it’s probably credit card debt.

yeah that was their mantra about the Dean money too.

Boyz is predictable. And not much else.

97. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2007

yeah that was their mantra about the Dean money too.

Ah, I wasn’t around for that. It could be bullshit. But that guy seems to be speaking from some sort of experience.

98. marisacat - 18 December 2007


Madman too, from the get go. I think tho that negative ads agaisnt Huckabee are gonna erode soem fo that.

The commutations and pardons are pretty stunning. And nobody has really gone at him over the 6000 year old earth, nor really torn at him for the creationism.

99. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2007

Interesting to see that the operatives on Daily Kos are still telling the lie that Cynthia McKinney is anti-semitic.

Oh they’re going way beyond that. Even with Ron Paul the “netroots” had to qualify and qualify (Oh Paul himself isn’t anti-semitic but he keeps company with anti-semites and one gave him 500 bucks).

With McKinney they’re coming right out and saying she should run with David Duke. There’s a contempt there that I don’t see with Ron Paul.

100. marisacat - 18 December 2007


I am waiting for someone to pull out the cell phone story. That all phone polling is off, as you cannot poll cell phones.

No matter what may or may not be true, they just pull the list out of counter arguments.

We have had the “get the youth” to caucus… now the credit card slam… they come rolling in…

Matthew Dowd the R strategist was quoted the other day that we have gone into the “behind the moon” part of the wind up, the campaigns are behind the moon and what is really going on is invisible, more than usual.

101. marisacat - 18 December 2007

There’s a contempt there that I don’t see with Ron Paul.

welll yes, she is black and female.

They held up Reid and have for months, if not longer, taken pot shots at Pelosi.

Same thing.

Deep down they resent Paul for being diversion, but white male and rabid anti abortion,… plenty of them like him.

Call it the pinche tejano effect.

102. JJB - 18 December 2007

lucid, no. 89,

I thought ‘modicum of reason’ would be a qualification for elected office.

Actually, we need to have the candidates subjected to sanity tests by a board of psychiatrists.

MCat, no. 87,

I’ve said all along that Rudy Duce would fall like a stone once it came time for the primary voters to have their say. Forget about his socially tolerant positions, the guy is an Italian Catholic (however bad a Catholic he may be) and the Southern GOP base will no more vote for such a person than they would vote for a Jewish or African-American candidate. Aside from that, he’s ridiculously ugly, with a head that looks like a badly screwed-in light bulb. No way people will tolerate having to see that horror movie worthy face on their TVs for 4 to 8 years.

103. marisacat - 18 December 2007

and the Southern GOP base will no more vote for such a person than they would vote for a Jewish or African-American candidate. — JJB

very very true….

104. marisacat - 18 December 2007

oh here is another scenario I have seen rolled out, The Closer.

The great counter argument in 03/04 for the very evident mess that Kerry was, He Is a Late Closer.

Sneaks in and closes at the end when you are not looking.

Plenty of notice that Obama is very uneven in his presentation at rallies. Rambles, goes professorial, as they call it.

Hark!! Michelle is The CLoser. Reports around that they send her, by design, into towns AFTER him… she meets with small groups of Still Deciding. And that big city girl, why she jsut closes.


105. marisacat - 18 December 2007

His evolution from an “effectively pro-choice” position to a “pro-life” position has come under scrutiny again now that a photo of Romney and his wife attending a Planned Parenthood fundraiser in 1994 has surfaced.


[from the note’s sneak peek]

106. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2007

Huckabee seems to have a Rick Santorum quality about him.


In 1998 Huckabee published a children’s book that equated environmentalism with pornography. The book was titled “Kids Who Kill: Confronting Our Culture of Violence.” Huckabee wrote: “Abortion, environmentalism, AIDS, pornography, drug abuse, and homosexual activism have fragmented and polarized our communities.” Huckabee also equated homosexuality to necrophilia. He wrote: “It is now difficult to keep track of the vast array of publicly endorsed and institutionally supported aberrations—from homosexuality and pedophilia to sadomasochism and necrophilia.”

107. marisacat - 18 December 2007


108. melvin - 18 December 2007

Intitutionally supported necrophilia? Not that the rest makes much more sense, standard red meat stuff, but I am trying to imagine the institution he has in mind there.

–And I am afraid to google it.

109. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 December 2007

I think tho that negative ads agaisnt Huckabee are gonna erode soem fo that.

I don’t know … that type of populism can shield him from the ads, the kind of people he’s likely to attract. Attack ads from outlets like the corporate mercs at Club for Growth is likely to make him look victimized by the very people victimizing poor religious nuts.

I think he’s going to win a couple of the early primaries. We’ll see. The Republican Convention could actually end up being an interesting foodfight.

110. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 December 2007

There’s a contempt there that I don’t see with Ron Paul.

of course:

1) Black

2) woman

3) outspoken

4) smart

Paul looks like their crazy uncle … makes them less uncomfortable.

111. CSTAR - 18 December 2007

Re Huckabee

After this strange and utterly depressing political season we may all end up trying to get some tips from Nava on how managed to beat himself up.

112. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 December 2007

What is it with people who sternly wish you a MERRY CHRISTMAS? Is this some measure of defiance? Some perceived resistance to Happy Holidays newspeak? Whatever it is, it’s pretty fucking annoying. Makes me want to burn down all the trees, feed ornaments into a wood chipper, and stomp on every nativity scene I see.

It’s another version of the demand/command to “SUPPORT THE TROOPS”.

So sick of winger bullies.

113. marisacat - 18 December 2007

David Corn, in his blog postings for Congressional Quarterly, has some more on Huckabee. The truly gory details of the dog killing. I read that when OOW posted links to it a few months ago here, so I spared myself this go round.

He too says that many are searching for HuckaNutter’s sermons, whihc HucketaliaNutterNutter are actively suppressing.

Wonder what JEEEEEEEEEESUHS is saying to him about all of that……… LOL

Also elsewhere stuff is starting to crop up about the wif, whose profile has been studiedly low key, for a reason. Many many bomblets set to go off for a HuckaNutter rise.

I cannot wait! They are all raving nutters, all of them.

114. marisacat - 18 December 2007
115. marisacat - 18 December 2007

the thread is a scream:

One would have to have tried both to make an honest comparison.

Huck? Huck?

116. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 December 2007
117. CSTAR - 18 December 2007

For some reason Huckanutter reminds me of Commander Fred in Handmaiden’s tale.

118. marisacat - 18 December 2007

Ken Burns endorses Obama! Despite, he says, years of friendship with BillHill.

On to Victory! Or war!

119. CSTAR - 18 December 2007

On to Guadalcanal maybe.

120. BooHooHooMan - 18 December 2007

114 LOL Huck’s campaign clarifies. About homosexuality. And necrophilia.

Mcat – let me guess before I click on the link-

Huckabee is against HOMOSEXUAL necrophilia…

121. marisacat - 18 December 2007

LOL there could be a whole lot of clarifying going on:

“He’s not equating homosexuality with necrophilia,” Carter told us. “He’s saying there’s a range of aberrant behavior. He considers homosexuality aberrant, but that’s at one end of the spectrum. Necrophilia is at the other end.”

Carter added: “No way is he saying that homosexuality is like having sex with dead people. That’s not it at all.”

Asked how one measured what rated where on this spectrum of aberrant behavior, Carter said: “He was talking about aberrant sexual behavior. Sado masochism and necrophilia are on the further end of the spectrum.”

122. Miss Devore - 18 December 2007

Can’t remember where I read it today, but some republican was comparing Larry Craig to Thomas Jefferson.

Maybe it’s the holiday office parties going wild.

Just made holiday arrangements with my bro. He’s bringing the absinthe. “Lucid” is the favored brand.

123. BooHooHooMan - 18 December 2007

Coupla things- really enjoying JJB’s commentary, seeing Dee, xeno and Sabrina…

I was wondering…So how does the Old Waspy GOP handle it at Christmas Dinner while surgically carving peas? …What’s the conversational segue after the elbowed-in Guhvna, that bass playing Baptist Preacher finishes his treatise on Homosexuals and Necrophilia…


124. CSTAR - 18 December 2007

Maybe hucka meant intercourse between two dead people…

125. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2007

Huckabee believes that marriage should be between one dead man and one dead woman.

126. Miss Devoe - 18 December 2007

You are all making me laugh so much.

Personally, I believe marriage is a sacred bond between bill & hillary clinton.

127. CSTAR - 18 December 2007

Love and Marriage, love and marriage they go together like rice and cabbage….

128. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2007

Today’s Doonebury is hilirious.

129. Hair Club for Men - 18 December 2007

There are currently four John Edwards shill diaries on the rec list of the Daily Kos.

130. CSTAR - 18 December 2007

Nowadays I only read Daily Cos

131. marisacat - 18 December 2007

Mz Hillary may come in third in Iowa.

they might have to hoover up the blood in NH…

Popcorn! Butter! Bibs!

132. CSTAR - 18 December 2007

some republican was comparing Larry Craig to Thomas Jefferson
which part?

133. CSTAR - 18 December 2007

Why don’t they just “hoover up” all the candidates and put us all out of this misery

134. Mike Nutabee - 18 December 2007

This is why you don’t put two Siamese fighting fish in the same tank at the pet shop.



Or is that loonfish?

At least the Internets haven’t lost their entertainment value.

135. Mike Nutabee - 18 December 2007
136. lucid - 18 December 2007

Wow, now my namesake is the semi-hallucinogenic drug of many of my favorite artists… I’m honored.

“Abortion, environmentalism, AIDS, pornography, drug abuse, and homosexual activism have fragmented and polarized our communities”


My ancestors used to ride dinosaurs, because before we discovered oil, that was the way we got around.

137. lucid - 18 December 2007

btw the way, hi Sabrina. Back from the southwest, or just checking in?


138. melvin - 18 December 2007

129 — Coordinated; there were six yesterday.

139. lucid - 18 December 2007

Sado masochism and necrophilia are on the further end of the spectrum

But torture is up there with the missionary position!

140. wu ming - 18 December 2007

ron paul bells the cat, quotes sinclar lewis to describe huckabee.

141. lucid - 18 December 2007

Fuck, I’ve got a meeting at Tiffany & Co. tomorrow way before my get out of bed time… and I’ve got to dig up some pants to iron…

Can you help me on the miss D?

Or do just have the shimmy on the roomba?

142. lucid - 18 December 2007

Of course the only slacks I have that are remotely clean are covered in cat hair.

143. ms_xeno - 18 December 2007

Hey, Sabrina !! 8)

Nice to see you, too, BHHM. I don’t have too many good bon mots these days. Too broke and too scattered. No offense.

Also like MissD and others, I miss Tuston.

I console myself with rum and apricot nectar and flying cats.

144. ms_xeno - 18 December 2007

ie #112:

One way or another, evil will always win.

Earlier this week, the charger for my laptop more or less exploded. I swore that I would wait a few months to buy a new one even though this leaves me without any decent music to listen to at work. This steely resolve of financial responsibility lasted until about 1 PM PST today. At that point, the factory got quiet enough for me to hear the nearby Christian “Rock” (THE FISH !! is the station’s name. I kid you not.) station blasting nonstop “seasonal” tripe. I will have another computer charger tomorrow or I will blow my brains out before resuming work on Thursday. It’s really that simple.

145. marisacat - 18 December 2007

Don’t speak ill of cat fur. That is sacred covering, prayer mantles for the enforced prayer formations.

146. lucid - 18 December 2007

I speak not ill, I just cannot walk into a swank office owned by the leading overpriced jeweler in the world covered in cat hair… so I’ve gotta go with the black jeans. I don’t have another option at this point.

I hope my boss isn’t drowned in sadness.

147. marisacat - 18 December 2007


a few weeks ago I found his parents (and his) woodworking business. He had sent me the website long ago, but I could nto find it. Luckily I remembered they did a rather unique turquiose inlay work. After combing thru lists of hand crafted wood workers in the SW US, I found them.

His father’s email was there, so I sent an email asking if Tuston was OK and to please let him know people were worried, concerned, missing him.

His father answered telling me to call Tuston. I took the email reply I had from his father and forwarded it to the email I have used for Tuston for years… wished him well and said I missed him.

148. marisacat - 18 December 2007

but there is nothing wrong with black jeans…


btw, I have ordered heavy weaponry for the cats. We must keep up with prayer fashion.

149. lucid - 18 December 2007

I’m trying to wash by hand some pinstripe slacks I just drug up now… somehow I don’t think they’ll be dry in 6 hours.

150. marisacat - 19 December 2007

new post, thread, whatever….


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