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“You have to show them you won’t vote for them” 19 December 2007

Posted by marisacat in 2004 Election, 2006 Mid Terms, 2008 Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Lie Down Fall Down Dems.

     Boston July 2004 
      Assassination? Terrorism? yeah right.

PBS tonight showed An Unreasonable Man, on Ralph Nader.  More than worth it, quite wonderful.

But in the middle was Lawrence O’Donnell… such a classic version of the Irish extraction doofus Dem strategist and whatever else, operative, bit of speech writing (get a glisten off those West Wing scripts)… and of course he said the very thing that matters:

You have to show them you won’t vote for them. 

He added the sub text, also classic… ”working inside the Democratic party”, he ”never had to listen to anything from the left”.

“They had nowhere to go”.

Ain’t it the truth. 

   Boston 2004

[I realise this is not news]


UPDATE, 1:07 am

Richard Holbrooke as street sweeper:

[S]enator Clinton has traveled to more than 80 countries, building relationships that will enable her to begin to restore America’s global standing, beginning on Day 1 of her Presidency. Senator Clinton is a passionate believer in diplomacy, negotiations, and the value of, well, American values. She would outlaw torture and close Guantanamo. She would make us proud again of our leadership role in the world. I know from extensive personal observation that she would be a superb negotiator and diplomat. Hillary would strengthen the U.N. and make it more effective, after the Bush Administration weakened it. :: spin and spit::

Go strangle a chicken, Dick.  You’ll feel better…


About to close the HuffPo (too tough to navigate, some popup or something is just a bear) but I see on their main Politics page (such as it is) that Ken Burns compared Obama to Lincoln.

Let me off this plane.


UPDATE, 12:23 pm

The kid is not stupid:

When Obama’s family heard they would be spending Christmas in a Des Moines hotel room, his 9-year-old daughter cried.

Craig Crawford’s blog at CQ


“Volunteer” military?

256 prisoners held at prisons in Iraq, including Abu Ghraib, filed a lawsuit on Monday against the private military contractor, CACI. The suit alleges the prisoners were repeatedly sodomized, threatened with rape, kept naked in their cells, subjected to electric shock, attacked by unmuzzled dogs and subjected to serious pain inflicted on sensitive body parts.

The suit alleges that employees of CACI directed soldiers to mistreat the prisoners.

Volunteers for what and to whom




1. Hair Club for Men - 19 December 2007

Mike Huckabee on “Morning Joe” said that John Bolton and Frank Gaffney are two possible foreign policy advisors.

It looks as if he’s realized he has to suck up to the neocon Israel humpers as well as the Xtian fascists.

He’s coming across more and more like the Manchurican Jebus Freak every day.

2. Hair Club for Men - 19 December 2007

Putin Times person of the year over Gore?

Gutless of Time. They didn’t want to alienate Les Wingnuttes.

3. Intermittent Bystander - 19 December 2007

Bush Lawyers Discussed Fate of C.I.A.Tapes (NYT).

Those who took part, the officials said, included Alberto R. Gonzales, who served as White House counsel until early 2005; David S. Addington, who was the counsel to Vice President Dick Cheney and is now his chief of staff; John B. Bellinger III, who until January 2005 was the senior lawyer at the National Security Council; and Harriet E. Miers, who succeeded Mr. Gonzales as White House counsel.

It was previously reported that some administration officials had advised against destroying the tapes, but the emerging picture of White House involvement is more complex. In interviews, several administration and intelligence officials provided conflicting accounts as to whether anyone at the White House expressed support for the idea that the tapes should be destroyed.

One former senior intelligence official with direct knowledge of the matter said there had been “vigorous sentiment” among some top White House officials to destroy the tapes. The former official did not specify which White House officials took this position, but he said that some believed in 2005 that any disclosure of the tapes could have been particularly damaging after revelations a year earlier of abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

A few minutes later, on the wires, Building catches fire next to White House.

Smoke billowed from a section of the building near Vice President Dick Cheney’s ceremonial office, and facing the West Wing of the presidential mansion as firefighters arrived on the scene to battle the blaze.

Overheated shredders, no doubt.

4. Intermittent Bystander - 19 December 2007

White House lawyers and overheated shredders in spam.

5. Miss Devore - 19 December 2007

3–does the smoke mean that Hillary has been elected as the new Pope?

6. Intermittent Bystander - 19 December 2007

5 – Spontaneous combustion at Energy Task Force power breakfast as Bush signed the fuel standards bill.

PS: Roomba news!

7. CSTAR - 19 December 2007

I saw the program. All I can say now in retrospect is how right Nader was. How silly Eric Altermann and Todd Gitlin seemed in their interview. Can you imagine Lieberman as the WP?

What an absolutely pathetic (at best – criminal most likely) crop of candidates we have running now. What an absolutely pathetic “democratic” party.

I need to stop or I’ll lose my sanity or whatever I have left of it.

8. AlanSmithee - 19 December 2007

Ralph’s voices & choices message is like a mirror to the authoritarian koswack vampires. They can’t see their reflection in it because their people “shut up and vote” powered politics doesn’t exist in reality.

9. ms_xeno - 19 December 2007

Doubtless Kosdagontriosigbycafeland is on fire this morning, as the head honchos and their loyal fans feverishly discuss An Unreasonable Man, which of course they all plugged in their spaces and watched last night. Especially popular as a topic is the contention of the Democratic pollster in the movie who claimed that there was no way, given the numbers, that Nader could have ruined it for pore pore Gore.

Also, I fully expect Santa to visit on Xmas eve and replace all my leftover Hanukkah gelt with real gold coins. I’m going to Hawaii !! Wooooo !!!

10. marisacat - 19 December 2007

IOZ… yum:

Dear sweet Jesus, how they cried to the heavens, hosannas and hallelujahs and thanks and burnt offerings. Greenwald’s boyfriend is going to be hours scrubbing the stains out of his boxers, and Atrios is ready to immanatize his Eschaton against we defeatists.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 December 2007
12. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 December 2007
13. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 December 2007
14. marisacat - 19 December 2007

oh the spectrum is a hoot!

Speaking os women being “insufficiently submissive”… The Washington Note had a post a few days ago about the HuckWif, who is said to be lying low thru this season…… seems in 2004 she was at polling sites, acting almost as a challenge to voters, asking for ID, which at the time was not a legal requirement in ARK… AND witnesses indicated she seemed to challenge African Americans.

What a lovely Christian submissive family. They seem to be racist dog killers.

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 December 2007
16. bayprairie - 19 December 2007

bad company

Huckabee Counts on Pastors for Iowa Help

Word of mouth in churches and among Christian groups can be a powerful force in Iowa politics. Christian believers make up the core of Huckabee’s support in the state, said Rick Scarborough, a well-known Texas preacher who has endorsed the former Arkansas governor, though he adds that “it’s not his only constituency.”

Scarborough heads Vision America, one of several groups trying to help Huckabee. The groups – some overtly religious, some not – are using a variety of tactics, all independent of Huckabee’s campaign:…

one would think he would count on iowa pastors. hey moiv, where have i heard that name before?

East Texas-based Rev. Rick Scarborough of Vision America, who first enlisted a network of “Patriot Pastors” in 2004, told the Dallas Morning News of his plans to mobilize 20 million “values voters” to bring to fruition an agenda that includes a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, installing the Ten Commandments in government buildings and giving church leaders a bully pulpit to openly promote political candidates to their congregations.

And Scarborough definitely means Republican candidates: “One of my goals in life is to give the Republican Party courage … We have a lot of gutless wonders who wear the tag conservative Republican. Anytime there’s any amount of fire, they crater.”

Get Your Rapture On!

17. Hair Club for Men - 19 December 2007
18. marisacat - 19 December 2007

here is HCfM posting at PFF


I have to say, I don’t know why the bank was charging you 20 % on a SECURED card…

19. Hair Club for Men - 19 December 2007

I don’t remember how much it was exactly. I’ll have to dig out an old bill and check.

But my unsecured card charges me 29%. I actually like it. It’s like a scarecrow that scares me away from using it.

20. moiv - 19 December 2007

bay @ 16

Scarborough and Rick Perry have been joined at the hip for so long that they could pass for Chang and Eng, and if his recent slip of the tongue is anything to go by, Perry might be thinking that he signed on as head majorette for Rudy a little too soon.

Gov. Rick Perry helped file paperwork Tuesday with the Republican Party of Texas putting Rudy Giuliani on the Texas ballot for the March 4 Republican primary.

He tumbled into an oh-my-goodness oops, though, after recapping his belief that Giuliani, who supports abortion rights, will still appoint strict constructionist judges to the U.S. Supreme Court — implying the kind that might restrict abortion. It was the kind of remark that could encourage anyone who’s thinking Perry has grown more aligned with Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor and presidential aspirant lately surging in polls of Republican voters.

After describing Giuliani’s types of judicial appointees, Perry said: “The issue becomes very, very clear to me from the standpoint of who I want to support. And it is Mike Huckabee.

“And then it goes to the next level, which is who do we have who is the most electable of our candidates, and I think without a doubt it’s Rudy Giuliani.”

Informed that he’d thrown his support, ever briefly, to Huckabee, Perry said: “I’m sorry, I made an error. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.”

Perry’s spokesman, Robert Black, said the Huckabee mention was a simple mistake and no indication of a secret Perry desire to shift candidates. Earlier, Perry had said he had no buyer’s remorse about leaping to Giuliani on Oct. 17 before Huckabee’s surge.

21. CSTAR - 19 December 2007

Good article HCfM, good blog.

The real kicker in this capitalist economy is the management of risk: everything has risk; and the risk is now securitized in ever more sophisticated ways so you can effectively transfer it. You can’t transfer the risk of getting cancer of course, but you can transfer financial risks associated with disease.

The proponents of “personal responsability” have conjured the construct of “moral hazard” as a justification for transferring ever larger portions of the risk of living in a physical universe away from the wealthy. The personal responsability movement claims the risk sharing function of social organization is antagonistic to individual incentive. In fact the effective purpose is to replace the risk sharing function of social organization by risk-transfer for those that can afford it to those that can’t.

22. CSTAR - 19 December 2007

Let me upgrade that comment HCfM: GREAT blog!!

23. marisacat - 20 December 2007

Thanks to Lenin’s Tomb…. the real surge – the so-called secret air war against Iraq and Afghanistan.

A recent (typically apologetic) study by the CSIS of US bombing raids in Iraq and Afghanistan has produced figures that confirm what many of us have been arguing – that the US has drastically escalated its aerial assault on Iraq and Afghanistan, below the radar of the corporate media. You may not have realised by how much, though.

24. marisacat - 20 December 2007

somehwere up thread I link to an IOZ on the blahgs blithering on about “those defeatists”… LOL… I finally made it to the Dennis Perrin post Ioz built from…. a very good column on the blather around over Dodd… how “noble” his return to DC, etc…

25. BooHooHooMan - 20 December 2007

Pancakes while there hot.

There writers who resist, and resistors who write, then theres Dailykos who do neither.

26. BooHooHooMan - 20 December 2007

I was LOL typing.
Pancakes while *they’re* hot, and there *are writers…
clearly for all parties concerned I’m not one of them…LOL.

27. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2007

Griddle got fiddled already – cut and paste the burned flapjack, if you can?

BTW, BHHM – Double-dog dare you to whip up a little something for GodTube.

In the beginning, there was YouTube.com, the viral video supersite.

That concept begat GodTube.com. The Christian video and social networking site — subtitled “Broadcast Him” — launched in August to offer an evangelical environment for videos on the Web.

Now, GodTube founder Chris Wyatt, a 38-year-old former TV producer, is making the Bible itself into a viral video experience.

Think think think of the possibilities. You, too, could reach out to the faith community! No naughty language or “blasphemy,” mind. . . .

28. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2007

Tancredo to quit today, AP is reporting.

29. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

Tancredo to quit today, AP is reporting

Whatever will we do in New Jersey without Tom flying in and giving a press conference to 12 fat Minutemen every time an illegal immigrant committs a crime.

30. BooHooHooMan - 20 December 2007

IB,this one of the better screen shots..from this am.
I knew it would go fast so Here it is.

The Vichy are actually helping to produce their own documentary…

31. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2007

The Superest – Who is the superest hero of them all?

Sorta like a rock-paper-scissors contest in cartoons . . . reminiscent of Dem Candidate Operative battles, too.

32. BooHooHooMan - 20 December 2007

Testing. I think I’m in moderation..

33. BooHooHooMan - 20 December 2007
34. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2007

Hair Club – great diary, BTW – you’ll just have to settle for Imus love, I guess.

35. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

“Parking Valets in Orange Livery”


36. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

OMG, it’s Huckabee when he was fat.


37. Intermittent Bystander - 20 December 2007

32 – Reindeer smiley for the morning laugh!

38. marisacat - 20 December 2007

Sorry BHHM.. found one in spam… and let it out…


39. marisacat - 20 December 2007

kissinger endorsed McCain.

LOL think it was the Bomb Bomb Bomb IRan lyrics that did it… reminded him of Cambodia.

40. BooHooHooMan - 20 December 2007

I’d love to see an Ahnold / Kissinger
fireside celeb spot , rolled out for McCain by Christmas…

41. BooHooHooMan - 20 December 2007

Then Rudy, to get in on
the unintelligible act, might have Sylvester Stallone…

42. BooHooHooMan - 20 December 2007

Fred Thompson stands alone.

43. marisacat - 20 December 2007

Bush at the podium. Such guff… but he pre empted Obama on ABC, PT, ‘splainin’ his ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY “present” votes.

I knew about hte present votes, but not that complete number…

LOL I saw a snip, before George took over the airwaves — he said he used it when a bill was UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Among other things.

I dunno Obama, Habeas Corpus?

They are all such shits.

44. marisacat - 20 December 2007

I drragggged myself to the Matt Bai NYT Magazine piece on The Clintons… but it is going to be a hoot. I am barely past midway on the first page and this is about the 5th chuckle – he must have written this before the past couple of weeks will Bill.

Clinton doesn’t like to play an overtly political role anymore; he enjoys the statesmanlike aura that surrounds any ex-president, and he is not about to undermine it, even for his wife’s campaign.

Earlier Bai called him “lean and regal”.

Wonder if Bai can roll that tongue back up into his mouth.

45. marisacat - 20 December 2007


IOZ (think this post grew out of a posting of his of yesterday, Eschatology, it immediately precedes this one… ):

It occurs to me that much of the political evil in the world is enabled by the persistent belief that doing something is necessarily better than doing nothing, and, paradoxically, that doing nothing is not doing something. That’s a first principle. Abstention is sometimes honorable. Sometimes, on the forced march, the most radical act possible is to sit down in the snow until the rifle cracks the side of your skull, until they drag you to your feet and force you onward. Have you changed anything? Good god, man, who cares? You don’t have to be Spartacus to remind yourself that you’re not a slave.

Myself, I am still honoring the llamas who refused to march into Lebanon last year with the hapless IDF. They just sat down and would not proceed.

Smartest move in ages.

46. bayprairie - 20 December 2007

somehwere up thread I link to an IOZ on the blahgs blithering on about “those defeatists”… LOL…

well atrios is doing something! and has been for quite some time if i recall. he eats free lunch!

what sticks in my memory was that photo of him at that warner smooze luncheon in philly a while back stuffing that free sandwich. tenderloin, wasn’t it?

i still have that image in my head, three little blogger boyos of philly sitting in a row down at the end of the conference table all eating sandwiches. atrios, booman and alo that young philly blogger, alex something or other. oh and wasn’t the lawyer there? i do believe he was.

i’d link to it, but evidently warner has had the good sense to take it down.

im not sure a great victory over the senate leader of one’s own party is really, you know, anything one should crow so loudly over, especially when the scene hasn’t played out fully just yet. reid is hardly beaten, hes just going to kick back and wait til dodd has no reason to grandstand. and then that corporate whitewash bill is in like flint.

cocky is the operative word for the boyo nutroots A listers. always has been.

asshole is often a perfect fit too.

47. marisacat - 20 December 2007

hmm can’t remember the third Philly male blogger at that event, but I recall Suburban Guerilla was there, and I forget her name in RL, but recall that she does Dem party paid work, odd jobs as consultant, whatever the term of art[lessness] is…………


48. JJB - 20 December 2007

I don’t know if anyone has bothered to go over to Duncan Black’s little corner of the blogosphere today, but he’s got no less than 3 posts devoted to the subject of whether or not Lynne Spears is a lousy mother, and whether her 16 year-old daughter’s recently announced pregnancy is an indication that she is (DB thinks those who think so are being unfair, which presumably means he thinks allowing your 16 YO daughter to more-or-less cohabitate with her 19 year-old boyfriend is okay). From a quick look at the comment threads, this is not a popular POV, and rather than merely turning to other topics and forgetting he ever said anything to begin with, DB is (Armando-style) going on, and on, and on, turning the molehill into a rather large promontory, and making himself look pretty foolish. Even if one thinks he has a point (and I don’t, frankly, getting pregnant at 16 is a lousy idea no matter how much money you may have), he’s made it in clumsy fashion and is stubbornly refusing to admit that, just maybe, he either hasn’t really thought out a coherent position on the matter, or just doesn’t know enough about it to have discussed it at all.

Anyway, if you feel like have some chuckles at his expense, head on over.

49. marisacat - 20 December 2007

hmmm… obama would consider Arnold for his cabinet. Among other Republicans he names, rather too glib, imo.

Fuck them all!

50. JJB - 20 December 2007

Madman, no. 12,

Interesting, though short, piece by Vidal. However, he’s wrong about the De Moines Register, which was (at one time anyway) a well-regarded and influential newspaper. It used to be owned by a family named Cowles, and has long been affiliated with the Democratic Party. It has fallen off in recent years since it was acquired by the Gannett chain, which has cut down on its coverage of not only national and international news, but of any local matters that don’t occur in the immediate vicinity of Des Moines. Still, it has been a voice against the Bush Administration, and has loudly denounced his wireless wiretapping program.

51. JJB - 20 December 2007

Just noticed the Eric Alterman has his “Top 20 Albums Of The Year” listed on his website. I might care a bit more about what he thinks of music if he hadn’t only recently discovered that Steve Winwood could play guitar (that’s kind of like declaring yourself a baseball expert and then blurting out “hey, I had no idea Mickey Mantle was a switch-hitter!”).

Then again, maybe I still wouldn’t care.

52. melvin - 20 December 2007

Season’s Greetings from Glen Barry:

Happy Holidaze

Fat politicians and the middle class sit with the Earth’s grizzle streaming from their chin this holiday season, selling our children into hell on Earth for a few gifts.

53. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

hmmm… obama would consider Arnold for his cabinet.

I might trust him to an appointment to investigate steroids in basebal (he’d certainly know where to look) but what else is he qualified for?

Ah just make him head of FEMA.

54. marisacat - 20 December 2007

Arnold knows how to collude in secret with Bush and Cheney and conspire to thrust CA into a full blown energy crisis, one that did not have to happen.

55. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

Arnold knows how to collude in secret with Bush and Cheney and conspire to thrust CA into a full blown energy crisis, one that did not have to happen.

And his election was largely about covering up for Enron.

Sounds like Secretary of the Interior material.

56. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

Skeletons seem to be getting ready to rattle out of Ron Paul’s closet.

57. marisacat - 20 December 2007

McCain has a christmas ad out, using a cross “front and center” according to CNN’s Political Ticker.


58. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

Just heard McCain’s Xmas commercial.

He needed to work Woodstock into it.

59. Miss Devore - 20 December 2007

57. I’m waiting to see which candidate has themselves nailed to the cross in their xmas commercial.

60. bayprairie - 20 December 2007

the new democratic party! better caving than the ozarks!

Dems give up SCHIP fight until the 111th

The Democrats’ yearlong fight to boost federal spending on children’s health insurance ended with a whimper Tuesday.

After coming up short in their efforts to enact a $35 billion expansion of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) — enduring two presidential vetoes along the way — congressional Democrats signed off on Republican demands to extend the program until 2009.

wonder whats on those spelunking democrats schedule for tomorrow? perhaps mammoth cave?

61. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2007

Speaking of endorsing McCain, what did Steny have to say about his buddy Holy Joe?

KING: Let me ask you quickly…

HOYER: Sure.

KING: … your party’s vice presidential nominee just seven years ago, Joe Lieberman, Democrat, now Independent Democrat from Connecticut, endorsed a Republican in the race for president. He did so because he thinks your party has abandoned its tough positions, its necessary tough positions on national security.

I want you to listen to something Senator Lieberman said yesterday.


SEN. JOSEPH LIEBERMAN (I), CONNECTICUT: In November, they would have a hard time convincing the American people who know we are at war against a brutal enemy that attacked us on 9/11 that they were prepared to do what is necessary to defend America.


KING: How much does that sting, a former vice presidential nominee of the Democratic Party saying his party is not ready to go into this presidential election year with a message on national security and the war on terrorism that you can sell to the American people?

HOYER: Well, I disagree with that entirely. The fact of the matter is that the Democratic Party has consistently been the party, with few exceptions, over a century of policy and national security issues that has been the party that has led us in defeating the terrorists of those times. Whether it was the Nazis, the communists, it was Democratic presidents who led to confrontation and defeat, ultimately, of those entities.

Let me say that I’m sorry that Joe felt called upon to do what he did, but our Democratic candidate, as we have done in the Congress — the first bill that we passed through this House of Representatives was the 9/11 Commission recommendation bill to keep our country safe. Last night we passed $31 billion in additional funding so that we could confront terrorism and defeat the Taliban which was, after all, the site from which this country was attacked and which, frankly, we have distracted our attention from.

And as far as Iraq goes, we need to defeat terrorists. When we have said we ought to redeploy, we have made the caveat that we ought to make sure that we continue to confront and defeat terrorism.

So I think Senator Lieberman, who I — is a good friend of mine, I respect him, but I think in this instance he is wrong. And our Democratic candidate is going to make sure that the American public knows that we are going to be committed to the safety of this country, to the safety of our people, and to the defeat of terrorists.

Way to “lead” ***cough*** the Donklephant’s, Steny. Well, actually, he’s leading EXACTLY the way the Donks always “lead”, by helping Republicans, either directly or tacitly.

62. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2007

I’m waiting to see which candidate has themselves nailed to the cross in their xmas commercial.

Whoever it is, can I dress up like a Centurian and jab the Spear of Destiny into his/her side? I promise to only twist it a little.

63. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2007

Next time, evacuees subject to criminal checks

Texans seeking to escape the next hurricane or state emergency by evacuation bus will first be submitted to criminal background checks, the state’s emergency management director says.

The idea, according to Jack Colley, is to keep sex offenders and others who may be wanted by police off the same buses used by the most vulnerable during an evacuation: the elderly, disabled residents and children.

“This will allow us to help them evacuate,” Colley said of sex offenders and others wanted for crimes. “We’re not going to leave anyone.”

Though the intent is to make sure vulnerable evacuees aren’t victimized, Colley acknowledged that culling sex offenders and other criminals from a herd of evacuees during a potentially chaotic evacuation comes with plenty of challenges.

“We’ll be able to do it,” he said of the task, declining to be more specific about the process because of safety concerns.

He said the agency’s first concern is to move people out of harm’s way.

But Colley insists a better filter on who gets on an evacuation bus with special needs residents will eliminate potential problems.

“We’re here to save lives,” Colley said.

Earlier this month, it was announced AT&T Inc. has contracted with the Texas Governor’s Division of Emergency Management to provide electronic wristbands for those residents wanting them, before they board an evacuation bus.

The wristbands would be scanned by emergency management officials and the person’s name would be added to a bus boarding log. That person’s name and their bus information would be sent wirelessly to the University of Texas Center for Space Research data center.

When the evacuee arrives at a designated shelter, the wristband would be scanned again to help state employees respond to inquiries from the public about the safety and location of evacuated family members.

The decision to wear a wristband is purely voluntary. But anyone who boards an evacuation bus will have to provide a name. There will be no requirement to show an identification card, such as a driver’s license, but officials may ask those boarding for an ID.

Colley confirmed that all of those names will be checked against existing sex offender registries and other criminal background databases. Colley said officials are not interested in evacuees’ past criminal convictions, only if they have outstanding warrants, are sex offenders or parolees.

We love you, Big Brother.

64. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2007

Descendants of Sitting Bull, Crazy Horse break away from US

“We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,” long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means told a handful of reporters and a delegation from the Bolivian embassy, gathered in a church in a run-down neighborhood of Washington for a news conference.

A delegation of Lakota leaders delivered a message to the State Department on Monday, announcing they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the United States, some of them more than 150 years old.

They also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and will continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months, they told the news conference.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free — provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Means said.

The treaties signed with the United States are merely “worthless words on worthless paper,” the Lakota freedom activists say on their website.

The treaties have been “repeatedly violated in order to steal our culture, our land and our ability to maintain our way of life,” the reborn freedom movement says.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.

“This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution,” which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

“It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent,” said Means.

65. bayprairie - 20 December 2007

hey madman. background check this out.

Texas fingerprint law troubles educators
Groups fear good teachers may be lost for minor offenses

AUSTIN — Educator groups fear a new Texas law requiring nearly all public school employees be fingerprinted as part of an extensive criminal background check may rid schools of otherwise good teachers who committed minor offenses in their youth

i bet some rick perry lobby-buddy just scored a huge state contract for criminal background checks?

We’re here to save lives©

66. BooHooHooMan - 20 December 2007

Yeh, BIG AIM guy:……

All agreements with the Lakotas … (7+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
rincewind, NMRed, dharmafarmer, bluebrain, flumptytail, kulshan, J M F

…require a vote of the tribes. This is one of the reasons that the financial settlement for the Black Hills (Paha Sapa) in the case of United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians, 448 U.S. 371 (1980) was never accepted. The Supreme Court granted $105,994,430.52 in 1980, but now that sum, with interest, has risen to nearly $900 million. The Lakota refuse to accept the money because they want a return of the Black Hills. That lawsuit, by the way, took 59 years to reach the Supreme Court; it was first filed in 1921.

Back to the point at hand: Russell Means has zero legal standing in this matter. He is not recognized by either most traditionals or any of the modern, elected governments of any of the seven Lakota tribes, including his own, the Oglala, the tribe Crazy Horse (Thašųka Witko) belonged to.

While this effort to “secede” is interesting, no court precedents will allow it to succeed any more than the 1980 case did.

“Just remember, boys, this is America. Just because you get more votes doesn’t mean you win.” – Special Agent Fox Mulder

by Meteor Blades on Thu Dec 20, 2007 at 02:49:54 PM PST

In Diary

67. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2007

You all have probably already heard the news from NOLA today:

Protesters at City Hall are tasered and pepper sprayed

68. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2007

All of what Meteor says is true, yet the situation is much more complicated than he is making it out to be.

BTW, I have relatives that aren’t happy that they couldn’t claim that money, so I definitely understand that there is a LOT of disagreement in the Nation about how best to handle our thieving gov’t.

Here is the website for the group.

I have no direct idea of where this stands, or how much support it has, as I’m basically a white man with red blood from my mother’s side, no matter how much disgust I feel for what the whites did to the original inhabitants of this land. I think it needs to play out, in many ways in all of the nations. These questions need to be asked, dissention pressed. I think MB dismisses Means too easily.

69. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2007

Speaking of our thieving government:

Something dramatic and important has happened in the class action lawsuit I filed 11 years ago over the government’s admitted mismanagement of the Indian Trust.

It should trouble everyone in Indian country because it signals a 180-degree turn in the way the Interior Department plans its long-promised accounting.

Gone are the government’s initial, frank admissions of bungling the trust. In their place are new and troubling claims that the trust was actually well-managed. What losses the government says it can find are relatively small, perhaps several million dollars, since the trust was imposed in 1887.

Only the most unsuspecting rube could listen to such an about-face without skepticism. Thankfully, in Washington and in Indian country, there are not many left. And, for the few that remain, they need only examine the government’s bountiful record of lies, misrepresentations, fraud, thievery and outright villainy in all matters involving Indian people.

The evidence our lawyers presented to U.S. District Judge James Robertson in October shows that the problems continue. Indians have been robbed of billions – not millions – of dollars; and the malfeasance continues today as Interior contractors get hundreds of millions of dollars to do little more than perpetuate a myth.

Despite the payment of a king’s ransom in taxpayer dollars to the largest accounting firms in the nation, not a single one will provide any assurance that any trust account balance is fairly or accurately stated. One may (properly) inquire how a firm engaged in the practice of rendering opinions and assurance can be paid hundreds of millions of dollars to not render an opinion and not provide the Indian beneficiaries any assurance about the historical management of their trust assets. Everyone else will recognize the government’s artless weaving of another dishonest myth.

The sad truth is that more than a billion trust records have been systemically destroyed. Records over several generations across all Indian country have been destroyed. And the evidence indicates that the destruction of trust records continues.

It should come as no surprise then that the government’s accounting plan downplays the importance of records. ”The absence of supporting documentation does not imply an error,” the plan asserts. Contractors are permitted to ”reconstruct missing transaction records” as they deem appropriate. In other circumstances, the government assumes that disbursements from the Individual Indian Trust were paid to beneficiaries despite the fact that the trust’s records systems were not tested and negotiated checks were destroyed, at least for the first 100 years of the trust. The government assumes that oil and gas production and revenue data is accurate notwithstanding that the inspector general has identified fraud in the Minerals Management Service audit process and a Senate Special Committee on Investigations has found pervasive fraud in Indian oil and gas programs.

70. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2007

Bay … who are they kidding? Getting rid of good teachers is the whole idea. Well educated people make for more unwilling cannon fodder.

71. BooHooHooMan - 20 December 2007

My take on the MB….

Tribes vote? Check.
Settlement Money Dangled Out? Check.
Legal Standing Argument Repeated? Check.
Factual? Sure.

The Truth? Both a Leap & a firm grip on the obvious, the Status Quo..

72. marisacat - 20 December 2007

oh right Meteor Blades, the only Indian in the room. Always and forever.

Took me a while to find this, as the search engine and the little searcher here are, neither of them, are too good at it.

Madman called MB a barber shop Indian, iirc… (links at the post) and BooBerGoober and whomeever lese in BlaghSnotteries escalated it to ‘Madman called MB a “nigger”‘.

Don’t think we heard back again on that detail, the detail being that Madman too descends from indigenous peoples, First Nation, American Indian. lakota thru his mother.

There being more than one Indian left, presently.

73. marisacat - 20 December 2007

ooops Madman called him a “house liberal”.

LOL… hard to keep epithets straight, when they are accurate..

house liberal
barbershop indian..


74. marisacat - 20 December 2007

ugh. I see 72 is a bit garbled. Sorry…

I just woke up… caught bits of the very slanted coverage of NO protest on all three evening news, then caught up on the thread.

75. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2007

Left I noticed the slanted NOLA coverage, and offers some perspective about what the crowd was angry.

76. marisacat - 20 December 2007

oh we should not worry about NO, Brad Pitt will take care of everything, now that he and Angelina live there. I caught some stray interview, he says he loves living in NO, people don’t besiege the children.

And that pittance of houses he says he will build.

77. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2007
78. marisacat - 20 December 2007

hmm David Corn at CQ blogs has a post up on HuckANutter…

one thing about hard right xtians, some of them, at least, have the intestinal fortitude to withhold the vote…

Mike Huckabee is a threat. Not just to Mitt Romney, but to both the leaders of the Republican Party and the leaders of the Christian Right.

For years, the Republican Party has played the Christian card, pushing “family values” and decrying abortion and (more recently) gay marriage and, in return, collecting the votes of evangelicals across the country (including key presidential swing states). But if Huckabee wins Iowa and continues to do well in subsequent states, how will the GOP elite react to the possibility of this former Baptist minister nabbing the nomination? My hunch: with panic.

While Huckabee can pull social conservatives, he’s not what the party needs to attract independents and those suburban GOPers who are not social conservatives. Consequently, there may well develop a campaign–call it a crusade?–to stop Huckabee. And if such an effort emerges, how will the social conservative grassroots of the GOP will take it? Another hunch: not kindly. :snip:

79. marisacat - 20 December 2007


I don’t know how many times over the past 20 or so years I have read a tale like that… with variations of course. I assume it takes place across the US picking route… but for some reason all the stories I can recall have come out of FL.

One of the worst I ever read, gangs of men were nto only enslaved but were also regularly drugged….talk about “harvest of shame”. some sort of outreach got wind of it and that particular plantation was raided, but that was long ago. Not sure a raid to release those held is what would happen today…

80. marisacat - 20 December 2007

nola.com has a section (left side) on today’s protests… quite a few videos from several sources. Quigley was there. Nagin took a pass. what a shit he is.

81. bayprairie - 20 December 2007

sadly, #77 ties in all too well with melvin’s link up-thread at #52

that story also ties in with this recent review

Buy Some Stuff, Enslave Somebody

a review of

Nobodies: Modern American Slave Labor and the Dark Side of the New Global Economy
by John Bowe

82. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 December 2007

big chunks of this country are just plantations in a big, nasty banana republic.

83. marisacat - 20 December 2007

think this has been linked to before, here… but I am just catching up. Zunes on Hillary on Int Law, in Foreign Policy in Focus:

Civilian Casualties

Not only is she willing to support military assistance to repressive regimes, she has little concern about controlling weapons that primarily target innocent civilians. Senator Clinton has refused to support the international treaty to ban land mines, which are responsible for killing and maiming thousands of civilians worldwide, a disproportionate percentage of whom have been children.

She was also among a minority of Democratic Senators to side with the Republican majority last year in voting down a Democratic-sponsored resolution restricting U.S. exports of cluster bombs to countries that use them against civilian-populated areas. Each of these cluster bomb contains hundreds of bomblets that are scattered over an area the size of up to four football fields and, with a failure rate of up to 30%, become de facto land mines. As many as 98% of the casualties caused by these weapons are civilians.

Senator Clinton also has a record of dismissing reports by human rights monitors that highlight large-scale attacks against civilians by allied governments. For example, in the face of widespread criticism by reputable human rights organizations over Israel’s systematic assaults against civilian targets in its April 2002 offensive in the West Bank, Senator Clinton co-sponsored a resolution defending the Israeli actions that claimed that they were “necessary steps to provide security to its people by dismantling the terrorist infrastructure in the Palestinian areas.” She opposed UN efforts to investigate alleged war crimes by Israeli occupation forces and criticized President Bush for calling on Israel to pull back from its violent re-conquest of Palestinian cities in violation of UN Security Council resolutions. ::snip::

84. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

house liberal
barbershop indian..

Why not just call him a “Guardian of the Oglala Nation” (Goon)?

85. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007


Tom Tancredo has dropped out of the presidential race. He will be replaced by Montezuma Aztlán Calderón, an undocumented worker from Oaxaca who will denounce the Brown Peril for just $3 an hour plus room and board.

86. marisacat - 20 December 2007

LOL call him what comes to mind at the moment. Theyhave already called me a racist, homophobe and whatever else. I forget now…

all of that just makes me laugh.

As i have said for years now, at too many hot spots. Across too many decades.

87. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

They can call you a racist, but here’s a guy who was not only not banned at Kos but allowed to come back after he admitted posting with sock puppets.


Fucking makes me proud of my Air Force. I love those guys and I knew the dudes who did the bomb dropping. Kinda envious I didn’t get a chance.

I’ll just call him “babykiller”.

88. marisacat - 20 December 2007

oh no surprise that is Ender. And no shock the Boyz have the hotz for the conservatives and the wingers. Replacement anxiety, can they measure up. 🙂

its a nest of long time and short time operatives… the Enders are good fodder. But gosh, Ender is one stupid nothing. Like something made out of cardboard, frankly.

89. marisacat - 20 December 2007

Kinda envious I didn’t get a chance.

well unless he is over 37 he should sign up for the regular military… or if older go immediately to a Nat Guard station and sign up.

90. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007
91. marisacat - 20 December 2007

hmm no idea… one of the strings of koskadetkapos

BTW, did they ever name the new FPers? I go there so rarely, just to whatever someone might link to… and not to the FP. Which, when I do drop in, is stultifyingly boring. Send me old issues of Pravda, much more interesting, at least historical.

Even as the linking to kos keeps going apace..

92. ms_xeno - 20 December 2007

And now, a quick news break.

I only wish this were via The Onion. :/ Gevalt.

93. marisacat - 20 December 2007

from a thread at TPM… LOL

LJ wrote on December 20, 2007 5:08 PM:
Election fatigue…

Here’s what I’m thinking. Maybe we were a bit hasty in declaring our independence from England in the first place. We call up Gordon Brown and make a deal – we go back to being a colony and then we can just disband our government and bail on this whole election thing right now – no more ads, no more speeches, no more sophomorish attacks. Sure, we’ll pay a little more for tea, but we never have to hear Hillary Clinton or Mitt Romney speak ever again.

94. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

Anderson Cooper interviewing Glenn Beck.

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t this one CNN talk show host interviewing another?

How lazy can a network get?

95. ms_xeno - 20 December 2007

Hair Club, you could call it the ultimate wank-fest but then again, isn’t self-love already denigrated enough without dragging it into this ? :/

96. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

It’s so obviously filler.

Why not just run another story about Britney Spears’ little sister?

You can never get too many of those.

97. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

Easy way to find out if Ron Paul is a racist or not:

Just ask him what he thinks about the “Bell Curve”.

The problem of course isn’t that he’ll probably like it but all the other Republicans will probably fall all over themselves trying to like it more.

But the MSM would never set up a litmus test like this because it would have to acknowledge that the “Bell Curve” is actually racist.

98. ms_xeno - 20 December 2007

How about a drunken fistfight in which Cooper accuses Beck of being the daddy, and vice versa ?

I would finally be inspired to get cable. :/

99. marisacat - 20 December 2007

well they could ask him what he thinks of Dr Watson’s recent comments.

That old heap of flesh. Sitting thru several hours of him over the past years on Charlie Rose clued me in about him. He gets teary over Jeeeeeeeeeeeeesuhs.

100. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

well they could ask him what he thinks of Dr Watson’s recent comments.

There are a lot of ways to determine whether or not he’s a genuine racist or if he’s just unpopular because of his views on foreign policy. Same with Giuliani, Tancredo, Romney, Huckabee and yes Hillary Clinton.

Do you think there are racial differences in intelligence and do you think it should affect government policy towards social programs?

What do you think the causes of poverty are?

Hillary, do you think a Muslim is fit to be president? Were you implying that Obama’s immigrant background makes him less American than someone named “Clinton” or “Bush”?

Edwards, what do you think about the idea of reperations for African Americans?

Tancredo you stinking wop, don’t you realize the Immigration Reform Act of 1924 would have kept you out too?

101. bayprairie - 20 December 2007

well at least that atrios is good for something today. i’d like to thank his anonymous tipster for the link. looks like moreman mitt’s been lying. huge surprise there.

Was it all a dream?
EXCLUSIVE: Mitt Romney claims that his father marched with MLK, but the record says otherwise.

a small but funny break in the late night.

102. marisacat - 20 December 2007

LOL Think I have a neck brace somewher in the house (from a Patrick Healy entry at The Caucus, NYT)

I just got a phone call – unprompted – from Gov. Bill Richardson of New Mexico, a Democratic candidate for president, blasting Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton for saying she would withdraw nearly all American troops from Iraq within a year of beginning redeployment.

“Senator Clinton’s comments are a stunning flip-flop – she’s been saying she would keep troops in Iraq for five years, until 2013, and now she comes up with an inconsistent, incredible turnaround,” Mr. Richardson said.

103. marisacat - 20 December 2007


I heard that claim from Mitt and wondered, it seemed impossible.. as well as utterly incongruous. IIRC he made someother claims at the same time (forget now wtf they were, it is all blruiing oops blurring!).

They are all getting carried away. Good!

104. ms_xeno - 20 December 2007

Damnit, bay. I was hoping that the story about Romney and King meant that Romney’s dad had some kind of Chinatown-like thing going on with Lieberman, or some member of the Lieberman dynasty. Given that Lieberman is constantly airing his marching days with King.

So much would then make sense that now defies it…

105. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

Mitt Romney claims that his father marched with MLK, but the record says otherwise.

Romney’s father invited Martin Luther King to march in Detroit in (I forget the exact date). I don’t know if he actually marched with King but he was certainly no racist or segregationist. Michigan was one of the few places the local government welcomed civil rights marchers. I’m not sure exactly how hands on Romney’s father was but he was certainly part of it.

Hmm. I’m not sure. Looking in Parting the Waters by Taylor Branch.

Detriot had the largest civil rights march up until the March on Washington in 1962 and the police commissioner said “”you won’t see any dogs or fire hoses here”.

Doesn’t mention Romney by name here but he was definitely a progressive on civil rights, a much better man than his son is.

106. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

Hmm. It doesn’t look like Romney’s father did speak at any of these marches. The more you think about it, the more it would make sense that he didn’t. Kennedy and King had to go through this elaborate dance everytime King came to the White House so not to offend whites. Romney wouldn’t have had to get Southern Democrat votes but I’m assuming he probably did take the trouble to make sure the march in Detroit went off well but probably didn’t show up.

So it looks as if Mitt did lie.

107. Hair Club for Men - 20 December 2007

that’s didn’t speak

108. marisacat - 20 December 2007

geesh, from The Phoenix link in bay’s comment:

Asked about the specifics of George Romney’s march with MLK, Mitt Romney’s campaign told the Phoenix that it took place in Grosse Pointe, Michigan. That jibes with the description proffered by David S. Broder in a Washington Post column written days after Mitt’s College Station speech.

Broder, in that column, references a 1967 book he co-authored on the Republican Party, which included a chapter on George Romney. It includes a one-line statement that the senior Romney “has marched with Martin Luther King through the exclusive Grosse Pointe suburb of Detroit.”

But that account is incorrect. King never marched in Grosse Pointe, according to the Grosse Pointe Historical Society, and had not appeared in the town at all at the time the Broder book was published. “I’m quite certain of that,” says Suzy Berschback, curator of the Grosse Pointe Historical Society. (Border was not immediately available for comment.)

Berschback also believes that George Romney never appeared at a protest, march, or rally in Grosse Pointe. “We’re a small town,” she says. “Governors don’t come here very often, except for fundraisers.”

109. ms_xeno - 20 December 2007

Here’s a good one about the mall shooting’s aftermath via Glebe Cow Drooled:

…When in gloomy times past American fast food restaurants have played host to mass slayings (by coincidence, Hawkins’ rampage followed his firing from a McDonalds), these despoiled buildings were later razed. There had always been something mildly civilizing about these razings — a recognition that even junk culture has a moral sewer it shuns. By erasing a murder site the owners said, “We will not ask you to suffer even one bite in so black a place as this drive-up abattoir, gentle diner, much though our willingness to poison you signifies our belief in your unmovable appetites. Call it our gift to impart high blood pressure, obesity and diabetes to you on roughly less haunted land.”

Today, in a dire Xmas shopping season with the economy faltering and the national bloodstream awash in antidepressants, post-massacre retail arrangements may be made with less finality. Nobody seriously expects an anchor store in a mall to be subtracted from the premises; what a gaping absence would be left where once it mightily anchored! No, there is scarcely time for the mall to replace the carpet, spritz the air, plant the mayor outside and carry on… — Richard Cretan, 12/09/07.

110. marisacat - 20 December 2007

update at The Phoenix:


A spokesperson for Mitt Romney now tells the Phoenix that George W. Romney and Martin Luther King Jr. marched together in June, 1963 — although possibly not on the same day or in the same city.

111. melvin - 20 December 2007


Oh well, that clears that up.

Didn’t I see you at Woodstock? Or am I thinking of that time in the SEALS?

112. CSTAR - 20 December 2007

I seemed to have lost all capability of saying anything rational or even remotely intelligible about the entire 2008 election cycle. I used to be a serious person.

Did I actually see Il Duce talk to Sanat Claus in an online ad today? Did I dream it? I’m not sure I can tell the difference.

Turn off, tune out, drop out.

113. marisacat - 20 December 2007

distribute weapns and stand back

McCain’s top strategists initially declined to comment on the Drudge Report item, fearing that would open the door for news organizations to write about what his advisers regard as a non-story. McCain took the matter into his own hands by fielding questions about the controversy in Detroit, prompting his campaign to issue its statement.

“It is unfortunate that rumor and gossip enter into political campaigns,” said the statement from Jill Hazelbaker, the campaign’s communications director. “John McCain has a 24-year record of serving this country with honor and integrity. He has never violated the public trust, never done favors for special interests or lobbyists, and he will not allow a smear campaign to distract from the important issues facing our country.”

114. marisacat - 21 December 2007

she’s pulling in the light cavalry … be interesting to see what ObEd do in reply…….

115. melvin - 21 December 2007

114 Easily disposed of. John Negroponte has been around. Others, like W and Frederick the Great’s mule, have seen the world and are no wiser.

116. lucid - 21 December 2007

Completely OT… Lucid update one year after facial reconstruction… I’ve held these things in, but my cheek muscles still don’t like it, I still have serious numbness in my right temple, and sometimes my eye goes ballisitc too. It’ll flutter until its flutter is content.

While my face might almost look like it once did, all of it is a constant flutter… every muscle is still upset… obviously my nerve endings will never get right.

I’m starting to learn to live with it, but my face is fucked up now. It will never feel like my normal face again. It will fidget and be numb and make me uncomfortable every year. There are titanium plates, there is serious scar tissue.

It still amazes me how this all happened. It still amazes me that I’m Darth Vader on the right side of my face.

And the fucker who did this to me is probably still driving a cab.

Thank you NYPD for doing your job!

117. marisacat - 21 December 2007

hmmm I have read so many reports of this Tuesday convenience store stop:

When the Clintons made a campaign stop at an Iowa grocery store Tuesday, Hillary’s face said it all. She realized that Bill had departed from the script and wandered off to another part of the store, and cameras caught her scanning the aisles with a look of sheer terror. Bill was supposed to be at Hillary’s side; instead he was way over yonder, giving an interview to “Entertainment Tonight.” What was supposed to be a controlled photo-op had suddenly turned into a happening.

what a hoot. yes… what to do with Bill…. Good Luck Clintons!

118. marisacat - 21 December 2007

Naomie Klein with the Zapatistas in San Cristobal de las Casas

119. StupidAsshole - 21 December 2007

90: I believe it’s MBNYC, one of jhritz’s staunch defenders.

120. Miss Devore - 21 December 2007

honor the cat in the mini-mart:


121. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 December 2007

Broder makes shit up?!?!

My world is falling apart around me … ;P

122. JJB - 21 December 2007

Re Romney Sr. and MLK, I don’t know if they ever marched together or even met, but the elder Romney had an excellent record on civil rights, as well as on labor issues. He also saved American Motors Corporation from extinction by promoting cars that emphasized solid design, construction, and fuel efficiency over the fancier looking, overpriced gas guzzlers produced by the Big 3.

When he announced he was running for President in November 1967, he was leading the polls w/r/t the GOP contenders. At that point, the following comments he’d made 3 months earlier were used to destroy his candidacy:

“When I came back from Viet Nam [in November 1965], I’d just had the greatest brainwashing that anybody can get. I no longer believe that it was necessary for us to get involved in South Vietnam to stop Communist aggression in Southeast Asia.”

“Brainwashing” is probably as good a description of how the Pentagon and the Johnson administration sold that war as any other, and Romney had the brains to see through it long before most of the country’s other prominent politicians. Ironically, as his candidacy sank, the Tet Offensive occurred, and proved just how accurate his comments were. That sadly did not help his prospects, he had to drop out before the first primary.

123. Miss Devore - 21 December 2007

breaking………Lucious Vagina endorses Hillary.

you know where.

124. lucid - 21 December 2007

sorry.. didn’t mean to go weird last night. Was feeling somewhat depressed for some reason… My problems pale in comparison to some who read and post here as they are neither debilitating nor life threatening. Anyhow, carry on… I’ll be out of town for the [hmpf] holiday. Thankfully there’s only 4 days left of blaring xmas music wherever one turns.

Have fun kids.

125. bayprairie - 21 December 2007

lucid said

sorry.. didn’t mean to go weird last night. Was feeling somewhat depressed for some reason…

lucid. don’t worry about that at all. its my opinion, for what little that is worth, that however one reacts on any given day to the pressures of “dealing with it” is the right way to react. you’re only one year on this side of a clearly severely traumatic event. its understandable to be unhappy and concerned with the event’s long, lingering effects.

i read your post and feel compassion for you, and your situation.
it’s ok to have bad days. and its also perfectly fine to speak of such things, its necessary if you feel the need for a listening ear. so don’t worry about it at all.

i dont’ suppose that there are true experts in dealing with disability, no professionals. just humans doing their best to hang on and cope.

126. melvin - 21 December 2007

This may be the only poll that isn’t frontpaged and analyzed for hours at dkos. Cheney beats Moulitsas in Nation Poll: Who was the most valuable progressive in 2007?

Al Gore 365
Kucinich 242
Amy Goodman 183
Valerie Plame 123
Dick Cheney 107
Michael Ratner 85
kos 74

127. sabrina - 21 December 2007

Lucid, (btw, thanks for the welcome back. I’ll be here in the SE for a few months at least, to answer your question, then maybe back east again). Anyhow, just read your post on how you are faring after that horrible accident. I wondered often how you were so please, do not apologize for the update. Too bad the NYPD didn’t think it worth their while to do anything to help you. Had you been a friend of Rudy’s though, SOMEONE would have paid, guilty or not!

Thanks BHHM and ms xeno also … 🙂 Miss xeno, sorry about your laptop!

BHHM, I’m with you on MB btw. You can always depend on Meteor Blades to defend the status quo – after he tells you how much he sympathizes with those who are willing to fight for something!

128. marisacat - 21 December 2007


let me second sabrina [Hello there!… 8) ] and bay

I remember the story of the accident and the hospital, the way no one took responsibility for the accdietn — and those things take a long time to heal, for whatever parts and pieces of accidents, damage and illness ever heals…

129. marisacat - 21 December 2007




130. BooHooHooMan - 21 December 2007



And Jason, – don’t poop yourself – its already cached and archived a hundred times over—- Its the screeshot we’ve been WAITING for…


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