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If there is a baby in 9 months 31 January 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


we’ll know it was love…….

That sure looked like a negotiated, agreed-upon-in-advance moment.

Air kiss air kiss whisper whisper…..

Sorry, just the barest smidge to hold up a thread.




1. blueseaglass - 31 January 2008

OH DEAR GOD!!!!! Make the images stop!!!!!!!!

2. liberalcatnip - 31 January 2008

Good timing. I’d just read this headline at E&P: The Debate: Few Sparks, Clinton and Obama Nearly Hug 🙂

3. marisacat - 31 January 2008

Just saw this at Harper’s… the latest from Mr Fish.

4. marisacat - 31 January 2008

think it was Madman last thread who mentioned STop Me Before I Vote Again is on a rolll………..

and they are…[tho not on the debate, yet]


5. BooHooHooMan - 31 January 2008

LOL catnip..(from before, way before with the Mastadon 3000)

I missed the debate… I’m seeing here on the coverage reruns that I missed nothing…about the only thing that raised an eyebrow was what is normally a little standard pander line about trash and slasher films on TV…. I saw it as an opener for his surrogates, I bet they make a play over the weekend on THAT slop… That guy Giustra behind the Bill Brokered uranium Deal in Kazhakstan made a ton of dough on Lions Gate, maker of shitty chainsaw movies and such….

What a weak line of attack if they do it…. But not surprising at all…
NONE of these fuckers are going to touch the corrupt to the core Funny Money Shit funneled through , going on in Foundations, “Blind Trusts” , “Non-Profits”, Consultancies, etc..let alone the campaigns themselves where , Christ, even LOSERS like Shrumm have made personal fortunes on them…I bet Trippi is another hail fellow well met whose comfortable retirement is already assured.

He who lives in Glass houses and all that… …

6. liberalcatnip - 31 January 2008

the latest from Mr Fish.

lol…ouch. 🙂

7. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

Kenya: U.S. Govt Sends Mixed Messages on Crisis

The United States’ top diplomat on Africa described the violence in Kenya’s Rift Valley as “ethnic cleansing” on Wednesday, but hours later the State Department spokesman in Washington, DC, backed off, calling the situation “evolving” and “fluid.”

Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs Jendayi Frazer, visiting the African Union summit in Addis Ababa after visiting Kenya, reportedly told journalists: “There was ethnic cleansing in Kenya. I listened to the victims.”

However, spokesman Sean McCormack said at the department’s daily press briefing that he would “let her [Frazer’s] statement stand on its own.”

“Jendayi Frazer… was reflecting back to the press corps her first hand view of the situation in the Rift Valley based on her travel there,” he added. McCormack reported that a State Department office is collecting information on the violence in the Rift Valley, and the office would report its findings sometime in the future.

“Very often, the case with these kind of circumstances is that you don’t have a full understanding, a complete picture of what happened, until the situation is over and things have calmed down,” he said.

Right. Wait until the ethnic cleansing is all done and then you can call it ethnic cleansing. What universe does McCormack inhabit?

8. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

More evidence of how well the so-called surge is working: Bomb Kills 5 at Pet Market in Baghdad (2 dozen wounded)

9. marisacat - 1 February 2008

isn’t Samantha Powers weeping that Obama is not in office and therefore could invade to save his family?

or some such scheisse.

And the wars will go on.

10. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

A follow-up link for the story I posted in the last thread: Pakistan tests nuclear-capable missile

11. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

Alrighty, I was wondering why Pakistan was testing missiles. Maybe this Asia Times article has the answer.

Geopolitics around Pakistan are taking dramatic turns. Details are emerging of a meeting between Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf and Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak.

A spin has been given that Musharraf and Barak had a “chance encounter” in a hotel lobby in Paris. It stretches credulity. Israeli media since revealed that Musharraf placed his hand on Barak’s shoulder as the latter praised the Pakistani leader for his role in the “war on terror”. The following day, Barak had an hour-long meeting with Musharraf at the latter’s invitation.

In all probability, Israel’s close ally on Capitol Hill in Washington DC, the resourceful US Senator Joseph Lieberman, who visited Pakistan as a state guest in early January, put together the Musharraf-Barak meeting.

Holy Joe’s been busy.

And what does this mean?

Lieberman’s native ingenuity is legion. Recently, the conservative Democratic Connecticut senator explained to the Jerusalem Post newspaper his unorthodox decision to endorse the Republican presidential candidate John McCain. By using a very orthodox metaphor, the one-time Democratic vice presidential nominee apparently explained: “The rabbis say in the Talmud that a lot of rabbinic law is to put a fence around the Torah so you don’t get near to violating it.”

Is that code…or what?

Then there’s India…and Russia…and the US…

All this adds up to mean that the US-India strategic partnership need not be the end of the world for Pakistan. An altogether new strategic equation may develop in the region between Russia, China and Pakistan. With the regional security environment in such a flux, Musharraf’s message to Barak would have been direct: Pakistan is in no way threatening Israel’s security directly or in league with a third country, and Pakistan expects Israel to reciprocate. Coming from one soldier-turned-politician to another, that is not too much to ask. Barak would have understood.

12. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

I wonder if McCain is looking at his buddy Joe for Secretary of State. He seems to be practicing for the role.

13. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008
14. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

And tell me that story again about “no permanent bases in Iraq” when this is the reality there:

The ABCs of air war in Iraq
So let’s focus, for a moment, on American air power in Iraq and gather together a little basic information you’re otherwise not likely to find in one place. In these past years, the Pentagon has invested billions of dollars in building up an air-power infrastructure in and around Iraq. As a start, it constructed one of its largest foreign bases anywhere on the planet about 80 kilometers north of Baghdad. Balad Air Base has been described by Newsweek as a “15-square-mile mini-city of thousands of trailers and vehicle depots”, whose air fields handle 27,500 takeoffs and landings every month.

Reputedly “second only to London’s Heathrow Airport in traffic worldwide”, it is said to handle congestion similar to that of Chicago’s O’Hare International Airport. With about 140,000 tons a year of cargo moving through it, the base is “the busiest aerial port” in the global domains of the Department of Defense.

It is also simply massive, housing about 40,000 military personnel, private contractors of various sorts, and Pentagon civilian employees. It has its own bus routes, fast-food restaurants, sidewalks and two PXs that are the size of K-Marts. It also has its own neighborhoods, including, reported the Washington Post’s Thomas Ricks, “KBR-land” for civilian contractors and “CJSOTF” (Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force), “home to a special operations unit [that] is hidden by especially high walls”.

Radar traffic controllers at the base now commonly see “more than 550 aircraft operations in just one day”. To the tune of billions of dollars, Balad’s runways and other facilities have been, and continue to be, upgraded for years of further wear and tear. According to the military press, construction is to begin this month on a US$30 million “state-of-the-art battlefield command and control system [at Balad] that will integrate air traffic management throughout Iraq”.

National Public Radio’s Defense correspondent Guy Raz paid a visit to the base last year and termed it “a giant construction site … [T]he sounds of construction and the hum of generators seem to follow visitors everywhere. Seen from the sky at night, the base resembles Las Vegas: while the surrounding Iraqi villages get about 10 hours of electricity a day, the lights never go out at Balad Air Base.”

This gargantuan feat of construction is designed for the military long haul. As Josh White of the Washington Post reported recently in a relatively rare (and bland) summary piece on the use of air power in Iraq, there were five times as many US air strikes in 2007 as in 2006; and 2008 has, of course, started off with a literal bang from those 45,000 kilograms of explosives dropped southeast of Baghdad.

Now, why do I find it hard to believe that either Hillary or Obama could even begin to fulfill their campaign promises of “bringing the troops home” in the timetables they’ve laid out? Hmmm…I wonder.

There’s much more to that article (that will depress you too).

15. bayprairie - 1 February 2008

god i love it when this asshole has egg all over his face.

Gov. Rick Perry (Tx) on Thursday announced his endorsement of presidential candidate John McCain.

Perry said he is backing McCain, because he is the candidate who would do the most for and win the war on terror.


Perry announced his endorsement of Rudy Giuliani in October.

nice try rick, but no vice-presidency for you! might think about signing up for that refresher on reading the tea leaves.


16. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

Gov. Rick Perry

He’s the one with the hair nickname?

17. bayprairie - 1 February 2008

He’s the one with the hair nickname?

the very one! gov. goodhair. so named, iirc, by the late molly ivans.

i just can’t resist!

Sometimes you jump out in front of a parade and it looks as if you’re leading it. And sometimes, the trombone section leaves boot marks on your back.

That man dusting himself off and combing his hair by the side of the road is Gov. Rick Perry. He was the first Republican governor to endorse a presidential candidate – Rudy Giuliani.


The red-meat, red-state governor is left this week just a little red-faced.


But for now, it is safe to believe Mr. Perry when he says he’s not interested in national politics. It will be awhile before anyone is calling.

It is never a testament to your good judgment when, as we like to say in Texas, you pick the wrong horse. And it is a further ding in your shiny good sense when you criticize the sitting president of your own party, who happens to own the coattails you rode into the Governor’s Mansion.

“In ’95, ’97 and ’99, George Bush was spending money,” Mr. Perry said in Iowa. “George has never, ever been a fiscal conservative.”

And just a few short weeks ago he confidently declared: “Rudy finds himself well situated.”

18. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

MB writes about oil company profits. Noticeably absent: Chevron.

19. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

gov. goodhair. so named, iirc, by the late molly ivans.

Good to know I still have some functioning brain cells. 😉

Good article too. 🙂

20. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

Speaking of Chevron (and all of the outrage spewed at the Big Orange Satan over that NYT article about Bill and Kazakhstan): Chevron venture boosts Kazakhstan oil production.

But that Chevron ad on dkos that’s been there for years now? Nothing to see hear folks…move along…

The word “myopic” comes to mind. Not to mention “hypocrisy”. of course.

21. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

And this is so ironic considering that kos lives in Berkeley: City of Berkeley Votes to Boycott Chevron

Resolution Cites Controversial Human Rights Record and “Severe Ecological Destruction” in Amazon Rainforest

22. Hair Club for Men - 1 February 2008

100 more years of this shit?


Well at least women are getting into the act.

BAGHDAD – A female suicide bomber blew herself up at the main pet market in central Baghdad, killing at least 46 people and wounding dozens in the deadliest bombing to strike the capital since 30,000 more American troops began flooding into central Iraq last spring, police said.

23. marisacat - 1 February 2008

Technology giant Microsoft offers to buy search engine company Yahoo for $44.6bn (£22.4bn) in cash and shares, the company announces.

For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

24. ms_xeno - 1 February 2008

(sigh.) There He Goes Again.

3rd Parties are nice and all but if you don’t vote Democrat the Africans will die. Americans dead from half-assed healthcare and a regressive aproach to reproductive rights ? Foreigners dead from our endless succession of wars ? La la la. Not listening. Can’t hear you.

25. BooHooHooMan - 1 February 2008
26. BooHooHooMan - 1 February 2008

I just retreated from the news…

27. ms_xeno - 1 February 2008

Sometimes the connections are painfully obvious:

Culture Ghost sneers at an Americablog poster for basically calling 3rd Party candidates en masse the victims of mental illness.

James notices this tendency as well, linking it explicitly to our overall tendency of treating discontent itself as something to be expunged with the proper pill.

…The article goes on to discuss at least one type of passive defiance that often gets titled ADHD. I remember a student with a four year old child whose preschool teacher was saying should be tested for ADHD. I asked a bit about the kid’s behavior, and quite honestly, the kid seemed like a regular four year old: full of energy, precocious, short-ish attention span (which would describe practically any small child). My suggestion to my student was to wait a few years and see if there really was a problem – in all likelihood her kid was just a normal kid who was probably bored while at school. Kids who are bored tend to get into mischief. Last I heard, the kid was just fine. Fancy that. As you can imagine, my opinion is that our society over-medicates both kids and adults. Why? It’s about maintaining control. Sedated individuals don’t make waves….

…One reason I have mostly left the gated community blogs run by even the so-called “tolerant” progressives was my disgust at seeing others be told to seek psychiatric help over some minor blog-related disagreement, as well as the tendency for quite a number of folks on these same blogs to pathologize dissident politicians and activists such as Cindy Sheehan, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader. That simply does not sit well with me.

28. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

Reuters reporting death toll at 72 now.

As for women getting into the act, CNN has this:

In both bombings, the attackers were wearing suicide vests, according to Qasim Atta, a spokesman for the Baghdad security plan.

Atta told state TV that both women were mentally disabled and their explosives were remotely detonated.

Meanwhile, Exxon posts record profits, payrolls dropped for the first time since 2003, and the morning shows are abuzz with . . . what?
Natalie Holloway.

29. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

Reuters reporting death toll at 72 now.

As for women getting into the act, CNN has this:

In both bombings, the attackers were wearing suicide vests, according to Qasim Atta, a spokesman for the Baghdad security plan.

Atta told state TV that both women were mentally disabled and their explosives were remotely detonated.

Meanwhile, Exxon posted record profits, payrolls dropped for the first time since 2003, and the morning shows are abuzz with . . . what?

Natalie Holloway.

30. Hair Club for Men - 1 February 2008

told to seek psychiatric help over some minor blog-related disagreement, as well as the tendency for quite a number of folks on these same blogs to pathologize dissident politicians

There’ s a book to be written about the failure (or the unwillingness to confront) of psychologists the political implecations of their field.

The wreckage is all around us, from the petty (the blog disagreements above) to the tragic (the participation of psychologists in waterboarding).

I was very aware of this when I was spending a lot of money for psychoanalysis a number of years ago.

An author I’d recommend is James Hillman, who wrote a number of critiques of American psychoanalsyis from a Jungian perspective. Alice Miller’s interesting too (if cruder).

31. Hair Club for Men - 1 February 2008

politicians and activists such as Cindy Sheehan, Cynthia McKinney

A lot of this is simple misogyny reframing itself in psychological categories. And it applies to attempts to put men like Nader down too. It’s an attempt to feminize them.

Every once in awhile on the internet when I’m in a flame war with someone I get this picture of my opponent as an Archie Bunker type imagining me as a small women and imagining himself as grabbing my wrists. Or a similar Archie Bunker type trying to imagine me as a child and he’s grabbing my wrists or pinching my cheeks and having some sort of abusive dominance over me.

There are a lot of weak, abusive men on the internet. You can feel it coming through the monitor sometimes.

32. JJB - 1 February 2008

Collateral damage story in the WaPo:

Increase Linked to Long Wars, Lack of Army Resources

Lt. Elizabeth Whiteside, a psychiatric outpatient at Walter Reed Army Medical Center who was waiting for the Army to decide whether to court-martial her for endangering another soldier and turning a gun on herself last year in Iraq, attempted to kill herself Monday evening. In so doing, the 25-year-old Army reservist joined a record number of soldiers who have committed or tried to commit suicide after serving in Iraq or Afghanistan.


Whiteside’s personal tragedy is part of an alarming phenomenon in the Army’s ranks: Suicides among active-duty soldiers in 2007 reached their highest level since the Army began keeping such records in 1980, according to a draft internal study obtained by The Washington Post. Last year, 121 soldiers took their own lives, nearly 20 percent more than in 2006.

At the same time, the number of attempted suicides or self-inflicted injuries in the Army has jumped sixfold since the Iraq war began. Last year, about 2,100 soldiers injured themselves or attempted suicide, compared with about 350 in 2002, according to the U.S. Army Medical Command Suicide Prevention Action Plan.

The Army was unprepared for the high number of suicides and cases of post-traumatic stress disorder among its troops, as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have continued far longer than anticipated. Many Army posts still do not offer enough individual counseling and some soldiers suffering psychological problems complain that they are stigmatized by commanders. Over the past year, four high-level commissions have recommended reforms and Congress has given the military hundreds of millions of dollars to improve its mental health care, but critics charge that significant progress has not been made.

Speaking of unpreparedness, I saw a headline on MSNBC’s website last night or this AM for a story about a report that says the US is completely unprepared for nuclear warfare, and that the Army and Marines have none of the equipment necessary for operating in a combat zone in which there’s been atomic attack. Eisenhower once said that plans were useless, but planning was essential, i.e., you can’t know what’s going to happen, but the process of preparing for any eventuality will help you deal with the unforseen problems that inevitably arise. I guess BushCo. read only the first half of Ike’s statement, and figured there was no point in even thinking about what might happen after launching their wars.

33. JJB - 1 February 2008

Yesterday, I mentioned my hum-ho reaction to the Clinton Scandal Story the NYT headlined and then buried, and stated that I’d find the paper more credible and less selective on this subject if they’d devoted the same attention to the doings of both Bush pere and Henry Kissinger. Chris Floyd seems to have had a similar reaction:

[W]e don’t mean to heap scorn on the Times’ story. It was indeed interesting to get this detailed glimpse into the way the world works behind the endless preening of mugs and murderers who pass as leaders on the global stage. And it demonstrates — yet again — that there is no discernible moral difference between the two ruling houses that have dominated the gutted Republic for nearly 30 years now. (A Bush or Clinton in the White House, as president or vice president, from 1981 to 2008 — with a good chance of at least four more years in the offing.) No wonder the two families get along so famously — and no wonder B. Clinton moved so swiftly and strenuously to quash investigations into the crimes of his Bush predecessor, as the incomparable Robert Parry points out. No doubt H. Clinton will do same for her Bush if she gets the chance.

But here’s a look back at that earlier hook-up between an ex-prez, a mining company and a big donor. This is an excerpt from an article I wrote for the Moscow Times in May 2004:

In April, [George W.] Bush quietly gave a mining conglomerate larded with his top contributors a little gift: $155 million worth of federal land, the Denver Post reports. Invoking an obscure 1872 law designed to help frontier prospectors gain title to their small mining claims, Bush turned over a swathe of prime Colorado mountaintop property to the firm of Dodge Phelps, whose board is packed with oil men, military contractors and official Bush “Pioneers”: corporate fat cats who’ve strongarmed at least $100,000 from their friends – and employees – for Bush campaign coffers.

Because the never-updated 1872 law requires that federal mining land be sold for $5 per acre, Bush’s bagmen only had to pony up $875 for the whole spread – in an area where land is worth a staggering $1 million per acre. The idea is to build an elite ski playground on the looted public property – even though the law requires that such land sales be used for actual mining….

In the Colorado caper, as in so many others, Bush is following in the mucky footprints of his father. In the waning days of his failed presidency, George I used the same 1872 law to cut a sweetheart deal with Barrick, the Canadian mining giant. For $10,000 in chump change to the federal treasury, Old Bush gave Barrick government land containing $10 billion in gold, The Observer reports.

Afterwards, Bush I became a “special advisor” to Barrick, pocketing kickbacks from the gold deal for seven years and traveling the world on behalf of his corporate master, trying to rig up insider deals with his “old friends” – bloodthirsty dictators like Indonesia’s Suharto and Zaire’s Mobutu. In return, Barrick later poured streams of its Bush-gotten gold into Little George’s 2000 campaign.

34. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

Thanks to a 5-5 split upon full-panel review by U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, Court Won’t Reconsider Guantanamo Ruling

The ruling held that, when Guantanamo Bay detainees bring a court challenge to their status as “enemy combatants,” judges must review all the evidence, not just the evidence the military chooses.

After criminal trials, appeals courts are limited in what evidence they can review. But hearings at Guantanamo Bay are not trials. Detainees are not allowed to have lawyers and the Pentagon decides what evidence to present. And unlike in criminal trials, the government is not obligated to turn over evidence that the defendant might be innocent.

“For this court to ignore that reality would be to proceed as though the Congress envisioned judicial review as a mere charade,” Chief Judge Douglas H. Ginsburg wrote Friday.

Speaking of Gitmo, Aussie former detaini David Hicks is fielding lucrative offers for his story as his key advisers harden their resolve to defy Australian law and sell the white-hot interview rights.

Hicks was freed from South Australia’s Yatala maximum-security prison on December 29, but immediately stated he would not speak out before the end of March.

This was to comply with a US gag order, imposed as a condition of the plea bargain that enabled him to serve out the balance of his prison sentence in Australia.

Mr McLeod would not identify any of the 30 parties who have made approaches to secure exclusive rights to interview Hicks.

But The Australian can reveal that the US ABC network and American 60 Minutes are among those bidding, along with an Italian television network. ABC interviewer Andrew Denton is competing with the Australian Story program to entice Hicks to break his silence on the national broadcaster, although ABC rules ban him being paid.

35. wilfred - 1 February 2008

That photo at the top makes me want to read that Matt Taibbi piece again.

36. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

Does anybody here read German? I’d like to know what this post says about my post on Afghanistan.

37. sabrina - 1 February 2008

Sorry, Catnip, the only two words I can make out are ‘a Canadian’, lol!

I haven’t figured out this computer yet so have limited my blogging to inane responses to obvious kossacks and rightwingers. It takes so little thought or links etc. but I’ve been reading.

Re the NYT story, well, this government’s policy on dealing with dictators allows for this kind of alliance between those on the inside.

I’d be more impressed with an article that tells the whole story, Bush’s (Rumsfeld again being the messenger as he was in 1983 for Reagan) backing for Karamov in Uzbekistan complete with millions of dollars of financial backing, which can hardly have happened without Congressional approval.

They could have written about the Bush/Nazi business connections, the Bush/Bin Laden and Bush/Rev Moon business connections, and so much more.

True the Clinton deal is topical being that Hillary is running for President, but Bush 11 also ran just three years ago and I don’t recall any such articles about the Bush family business.

So, imho, it’s hypocritical of the NYT to talk about this which really is pretty much business as usual for all them. Let someone have the courage to expose the whole filthy system and rid this country of all of them. We need to start all over again.

38. mattes - 1 February 2008


Ebay’s PayPal to Buy Israeli Online Risk Tools Co For $169

EBay Inc. (EBAY) Monday said its PayPal unit agreed to buy Fraud Sciences, a privately held Israeli online risk tool provider, for $169 million in cash.

39. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

lc – If you plug in the URL to babelfish, you’ll get the gist.


Title gets translated “Western Fairy Tale Hours,” and the writer appears to share your dismay. Appreciated your links, too.

40. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

Disclaimer: I don’t read German, just took an intensive course once and still have some scattered remnants embedded in the gnarly gray sponge.

Suspect the title would probably be better tagged as “Western Storytime” or “Western Story Hour.”

41. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

Hi Sabrina – Nice job kicking various deserving pffter butts, as of late!

42. ms_xeno - 1 February 2008

“Western Story.” I see we’re back to musicals again. Well, I always did like Leonard Bernstein.

When you’re Canuck
You’re Canuck all the way…


sabrina ! Welcome back to Insulationland !! :p

43. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

From your first hockey puck
to your very last “eh?”

44. marisacat - 1 February 2008

… you’re a Jet all the way………….

45. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

Ratdog board rumors of a Monday night Grateful Dead show in SF – for Obama – have just arrived at DK, courtesy of diary by Varmint Cong.

Jeez, put a Dead endorsement out there on Monday, hint a little more about decriminalization, and watch those Super Tuesday rural and suburban votes swell!

46. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

Title gets translated “Western Fairy Tale Hours,” and the writer appears to share your dismay. Appreciated your links, too.

Thanks! I was going to try babelfish first but sometimes the stuff that it spews out is seriously screwed up.

47. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

Let someone have the courage to expose the whole filthy system and rid this country of all of them. We need to start all over again.

Amen to that. As I wrote here before I thought it was ridiculous that the NYT piece accused Bill of hurting US foreign policy when Bush had Kazakhstan’s president at the White House for an official visit. All of this concern about human rights is just a front.

48. sabrina - 1 February 2008

Thanks, IB and ms x. I’ve been trying to keep up but this laptop is a mystery to me still, re all the functions I was used to on my other computer. I have to get a mouse! Can’t ‘copy and paste’ eg, without totally messing up everything. And on the Mac desktop, which I love, it’s like learning a whole new language. Eg, just saw a message ‘your keyboard needs new batteries’ on the Mac, but I can’t find out where they are. Lol, and no one here knows anything about it. And I am too impatient with following the directions.

Anyway, as far as theme songs, I like ‘Send in the Clowns’ for Bill and Hillary. At least from memory the words seem to fit:

Isn’t it RICH (or – ‘are-n’t we rich)
Aren’t we a pair
Me on the grouound at last
You in mid-air

Where are the clowns?
There ought to be clowns
Don’t bother, they’re heeere

Or is it?

Send in the clowns,
Well, maybe next year …..

That’s all I remember ….. lol!

49. ms_xeno - 1 February 2008

No, no, I’m sorry. We can’t dismantle the system until I’ve got my book deal sewn up. Maybe after that. Oh, and after we’ve saved Africa.


50. sabrina - 1 February 2008

Lol, ‘when you’re a jet’ another one to have fun with …

Catnip, yes you did point that out …. like always, we get little bits of info on the mis-deeds of various politicians, but it is always personal, aimed at one or the other personally, so it has taken, even those of us who HAVE been paying attention over the past several years, a long time to put it all together.

Sigh … imagine how fast all this could happen if we actually had a real free press …..

But then, what I used to think was just stupidity on Clinton’s part re de-regulation – of the media eg, now I see as self-serving, there are rules and in the US one of them is that we have a ruling class, and for them the laws do not apply.

It’s up to the people now … and I am at a loss, how can we, the people actually do anything about it?

51. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

Re the media and the ruling class – cozy is as cozy does. Interesting comment in the thread augmenting a list of superdelegate endorsements at a Denver blog (by dk poster Oreo) called 2008 Democratic Convention Watch.

wmdrpa said…

Side by side comparison of super-delegates by type (including former presidents, VP, Sen and Rep, as well as the 15 committed delegates from FLA and MI, where Clinton has a 12 to 3 edge):

Prz ______0_______1______C+1

It looks like Clinton’s lead is built largely on the imbalance of endorsements within the DNC, where she enjoys a 3 to 1 edge. What is the ratio between elected and unelected super-delegates? I’d guess they must account for roughly half, which is a substantial portion of the total delegates (~10%). The system seems innately conservative and counter-productive, particularly now, when the opposition will field a candidate that won’t be able to run against some of the key policies of the current administration.

The centrist DNC established the current system to prevent the party from nominating a more progressive, and therefore polarizing figure in the wake of the contentious 1980 convention. Ironically, it appears that the more progressive of the two remaining candidates is less polarizing, at least to those who don’t believe that bigotry is impregnable. The ‘conventional’ thinking throughout my life has been that the Democrats would peel off conservatives by accommodating corporate interests and some of the right wing agenda. This has eroded the party’s ability to give voice to the unfortunate majority of Americans who directly or indirectly pay the price for global aggression, domestic indifference and greed.

Admittedly, neither faction within the party has its hands squeaky clean. Still, the conservative wing of the party bears sole responsibility for infusing the nomination process with this barrier to dramatic change. I acknowledge that nothing about these rules can, or should, change mid-stream in this nominating process. The best we can hope for is that the question of fairness will be raised before the super-delegates are selected for the 2012 election. However, if the public does not demand review, we shouldn’t expect Howard Dean, or anyone else, to ride in on a white horse and unshackle the party from silence and intransigence.

Obama has demonstrated more commitment in his career to the issues that Edwards raised first, but give John credit for sacrificing his viability for a principle. His outspokenness, particularly about influence-peddling, was the kiss of death. Nobody needed a UFO sighting to make him a punch-line. Edwards never got any traction with the DNC , the media knew he could never keep up with the other two for super-delegates, and overtly disqualified him even at the time that he left Iowa one down in pledged delegates. Super-delegates effectively give the media outlets the cue as to who will get free media. While I’m thrilled that Obama appears to be closing the gap, I am extremely grateful that Edwards, Kucinich, Dodd and others did all they could to get Democrats actually addressing where we are as a people.
January 31, 2008 11:01 AM

If The best we can hope for is that the question of fairness will be raised before the super-delegates are selected for the 2012 election, well, you know the rest of that Storyhour.

52. ms_xeno - 1 February 2008

I don’t know, Sabrina. I’m beginning to think that Culture Ghost’s blog has the right idea. Screw politics. Art for art’s sake. Entertainment while we wait to die. >:

Eh, I may try and volunteer for McKinney anyway. With any luck I can subdue my bad temper better than, say, Luscious V. and his hordes of clones/imitators. :p

BTW, I think the battery is usually underneath the computer. And if they didn’t give you a recharge pack call up Steve Jobs and chew his ass out !! 😀

53. marisacat - 1 February 2008

hint a little more about decriminalization — IB at # 45

I dunno… ordinary people and activists want decriminalisation… but a wide stripe of the illegal drug trade want it pretty much the way it is …

cash business…

Darn! obama may have just lost Humboldt co.


54. cad - 1 February 2008

MB left out Exxon because you know, Chevron is going broke buying up ad space on Daily Kos. Way to stick it to the oil man, Markos, you pathetic Republican whore. And nobody in the thread can find it in their heart to bring up Chevron.

We’ll see if Kos posts anything about Berkeley banning Chevron.
I can read it now: “Ugh. Stupid condom people. You can’t stop Chevron. Just take their money and fight it. Hippie morons.”

55. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

Reckon you’ve got a bigger grower-to-buyer lobbying ratio out there in sunny CA.

Even tiny little self-sufficiency pot-farming efforts get busted by the collar-happy infrared-plane jockeys around here, every fall. Wide stripes of ordinary people are mighty fed up with having to navigate peer-to-peer import access channels (with all the risk and organized crime implications that might, at higher levels, entail) because they can’t just grow a couple of plants in their yard. Quite the postpartisan alliance on that point, hereabouts.

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57. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

LA Times endorsements: Obama and McCain.

58. marisacat - 1 February 2008


post partisan alliance here too… for instance George Shultz always puts some money behind pro MJ or med MJ initiatives… not the only conservative that does so. But also not a new alliance here. That is part of CA libertarianism. (and respect for biz, what ever it might be) LOL SHultz just loves it…

As for pot growers, they strike deals with local enforcement. Sheriffs put down a cap on yearly cash crop What they can live with. One deal I heard recently, a friends cousin was on site for a day cash job, “keep it to a million”.

HOWEVER, the recent appellate court finding that federal laws override state allowed med MJ possibly being in an employee’s urine… not to make a joke but I see where the anti-pot legal strategy game is going. Trickle down.

LOVE how when it might matter, “states rights” is ephemera.

Have to get MJ off the same classification as heroin at the Federal level. Nothing much can happen til that does.

59. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

LOVE how when it might matter, “states rights” is ephemera.

Yep. Not to mention “personal responsibility.”

60. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

Left I on the news – Chafee’s Blockbuster, with link to projo.com story, Chafee’s new book is tough on pro-war Democrats, Republicans, President Bush.

Apparently the book is called Against the Tide: How a Compliant Congress Empowered a Reckless President, and it comes out on April 1. From the Providence Journal:

Chafee was the only Republican senator to vote against prosecuting the war. “The top Democrats were at their weakest when trying to show how tough they were,” writes Chafee. “They were afraid that Republicans would label them soft in the post-September 11 world, and when they acted in political self-interest, they helped the president send thousands of Americans and uncounted innocent Iraqis to their doom.

“Instead of talking tough or meekly raising one’s hand to support the tough talk, it is far more muscular, I think, to find out what is really happening in the world and have a debate about what we really need to accomplish,” writes Chafee. “That is the hard work of governing, but it was swept aside once the fear, the war rhetoric and the political conniving took over.”

Chafee writes of his surprise at “how quickly key Democrats crumbled.” Democratic senators, Chafee writes, “went down to the meetings at the White House and the Pentagon and came back to the chamber ready to salute. With wrinkled brows they gravely intoned that Saddam Hussein must be stopped. Stopped from what? They had no conviction or evidence of their own. They were just parroting the administration’s nonsense. They knew it could go terribly wrong; they also knew it could go terribly right. Which did they fear more?”

61. marisacat - 1 February 2008

I see in the last line of The Caucus / Oprah piece that obama says it is a delegate game, or words to that effect.

LAT has a piece on delegates.

Unlike the Republicans, the Democratic Party does not allow winner-take-all primaries, which can allow a front-runner to quickly dominate the field. Instead, the party’s complex rules for allocating delegates somewhat favors the second-place finisher.

Both campaigns are focusing their efforts on maximizing their delegates — Clinton by building a strong statewide organization and Obama by targeting certain parts of the state.

“This is turning out to be an incredible, very exciting primary,” said veteran Democratic campaign manager Darry Sragow, who is not aligned with a candidate. “I think the voters are engaged and fascinated.”

That may be true — polls certainly indicate a high level of interest — but the process for allocating delegates might leave some people baffled too.::snip::

62. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

From that LA Times story:

“There’s some real kinky math in it,” said Bill Carrick, a veteran political consultant who is not connected to either campaign. “The end result is that even if you lose in a two-candidate race, you can get an even split in delegates. And the winner can pick up the extra delegate in the odd-numbered districts.”


It all starts to sound like a cross between Magister Ludi and Three-Card Monte, whenever this shit gets explained.

63. D. Throat - 1 February 2008

DVD Sanitizer Accused of X-Rated Behavior

Posted by Eriq Gardner

Cleanflicks Remember Clean Flix? It’s the Utah-based DVD business that was a favorite of conservative politicians and an anathema to the studios because it edited feature films to remove or alter content deemed inappropriate.

The company’s activities sparked a number of lawsuits, including one huge one filed by 16 prominent directors, including Steven Spielberg and Robert Redford, and entertainment studios such as Disney, Sony, Universal, Paramount and Twentieth Century Fox. In 2006, Hollywood won its copyright claims against Clean Flix and the company recently shut down, supposedly due to the industry’s legal force.

Well, cover your eyes for this story. Clean Flix founder Daniel Thompson has just been arrested and is accused of having sex with underaged girls. And according to the Salt Lake Tribune, the “booking documents state Thompson told the 14-year-olds that his film sanitizing business was a cover for a pornography studio.” Police found a “large quantity” of porno movies inside the business, “along with a keg of beer, painkillers and two cameras hooked up to a television.” Thompson has been released after posting $30,000 bail.

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65. marisacat - 1 February 2008

It all starts to sound like a cross between Magister Ludi and Three-Card Monte, whenever this shit gets explained.

— IB

yeah I feel so special as a single voter. Like shaving minute snips of invisible nanoseconds off the clock in the Olympics.

One reason I have adjusted my voting. And feel a lot more peaceful.

66. marisacat - 1 February 2008

According to Halperin’s The Page, Oprah will be joined by Caroline K.

67. marisacat - 1 February 2008


Fox News Sunday: McCain, Clinton
This Week: Clinton, Romney
Face the Nation: Obama, McCain
Late Edition: Romney, Ralph Nader
Meet the Press: James Carville, Mary Matalin, Mike Murphy, Bob Shrum

The Page, 3:44 PM

68. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

Romney and Nader! Wolf takes revenge on Dem hecklers!

69. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

DT – It’s always the ones obsessed with the dirty bits, right?

70. sabrina - 1 February 2008

IB #60 – I always liked Chaffee – and was sorry he lost.

He says he was ‘surprised at how quickly’ the Dems caved! Back then I was too and really hoped there was something we didn’t know, although I doubted it. He confirms, as did Graham, that they were either just cowards or complicit and in some cases, both.

DT #63 – another rightwing hypocrite – disgusting, evil people. How anyone can ever again listen to these preaching Conservative after all this, I don’t know.

Ms x, re ‘Ghost’, I see the point of just opting out, but then I think of the dying Iraqis and I know that’s what the criminals in office countedk on, that we would become so burned from all they intended to fling at us, we would just become cynical and/or too exhausted to even try to stop them.

It’s hard to retain the level of outrage that the first casualty from their criminal war aroused in decent people. For me it was the little boy, Ali, who lost his arms and legs, and his entire family. Innocent people violently slaughtered while here the warmongers cheered with flags waving and Dems, the only hope to stop them, instead scrambled to be even tougher than the Repubs. I do not want to lose that sense of outrage, not that it has done any good so far.

Reading Chaffee’s account of how they not only caved, but wait to do so, reminds of how stunned I was back then, each time the Dems went along with it all.

Oh, btw, re Wolf Blitzer – I remember reading that he started out with Pat Robertson years ago … never verified that, but airc, it was from a good source.

71. marisacat - 1 February 2008

gah. If anyone finds Natalee, please kill her, so this can begin all over again.

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:



Conversely if you find her dead remains, stay mum! So the game goes on!

What a spectre this has been.

72. ms_xeno - 1 February 2008

Careful, sabrina. You may keep me engaged despite my best efforts.

It would be great to talk about this more but not today. I am sleep-deprived and hungry and don’t want to have an MSOC episode. :/

I will say that I wish I could respond in some coherent to the post I linked to way up. The one from Amp. This whole idea of forgoing any attempt at positive change in your own backyard because somebody a continent away might miss a chance at rare free medicine instead of the customary free bullets… it doesn’t sit right with me. At all. >:

73. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

Sabrina – Wolf’s Wikipedia bio says he started out at Reuters, in Tel Aviv, and I posted a snippet before the Dem debate about his writing for Israeli papers under Hebrew pseudonyms. But Google does bring up a Yurica Report asserting that Wolf was a Mid-East correspondent for Robertson’s CBN 700 Club, back in the day.

He was a lot younger in those days, but in those beginning days Pat exposed Wolf Blitzer to a viewing audience that topped the Nielsen ratings at 28.7 million monthly viewers! That’s a great way to launch one’s career. But Wolf Blitzer likes to keep that part of his career kind of quiet. He doesn’t list the 700 Club’s news bureau in his biography. He doesn’t tell CNN’s audience that Pat was like an angel to him when he was just an independent reporter starting out. But those of us who watched Pat’s show could never forget Wolf Blitzer’s reports. He was presented to us as such an expert—we were just so proud of him! And look how high he’s gone. You’d think he’d give Pat a little credit. No doubt he says “Thanks” by inviting him on CNN!

It’s a small world, after all . . . it’s a small world after all. . . .

74. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

“Ugh. Stupid condom people. You can’t stop Chevron. Just take their money and fight it. Hippie morons.”

That sums up kos’ existence.

75. marisacat - 1 February 2008

Dolores Huerta (Clinton), Frederico Pena (Obama) and Gilbert Cedillo (state senator for obama) on Democracy Now!

Robert K Jr is up with an ad out here for Clinton, with grandson of Cesar…

The Battle for the Latino Vote!

76. Hair Club for Men - 1 February 2008

gah. If anyone finds Natalee, please kill her, so this can begin all over again

Ironically the people of Aruba have killed more Americans than Saddam did before the invasion of Iraq.

77. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

Just saw a Caroline Kennedy commercial for Obama.

Oprah will be joined by Caroline K.

Oh, here we go. Bow now and avert your eyes in the presence of greatness.

78. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

I saw a hinty-winty about Ethel somewhere today. How big do these piles have to get?

79. marisacat - 1 February 2008

Cesar nephew for Obama!

80. marisacat - 1 February 2008

From The Trail at Wapo:

Sources based in California and elsewhere said Clinton’s lead is now in the low single digits with four days left in the race. Obama got a bounce from his South Carolina victory last Saturday and the Kennedy endorsements — Ted, Caroline and Patrick. Whether that momentum will last or whether there is enough time left to overtake Clinton won’t be known until Tuesday. Clinton advisers believe she has an edge among those who already have cast their ballots, so whatever late support Obama is picking up could be offset by ballots already submitted. Obama’s advisers say fewer Californians than usual have voted early.

Obama left the state Friday morning and does not plan to return. Strategist David Axelrod expressed cautious optimism about the state of play, saying he believed Obama still has some wind at this back. “I just don’t know if there’s enough time,” he said here in New Mexico after Obama’s economic summit on Friday.


Of course we are inundated wtih the Battle For California out here… it really eclipses the story for the other Big States on Tsunami Tues.

81. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 February 2008

Meet the Press: James Carville, Mary Matalin, Mike Murphy, Bob Shrum




That’s like a day in the hospital where they take you from a colonoscopy tom stomach pumping to fully-awake brain surgery to four root canals, all without any anesthetic.

82. marisacat - 1 February 2008

fortunately the Matalin Carville spawn are too old to be dragged along anymore.

83. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

the Matalin Carville spawn

They reproduced? Now that is scary.

84. Intermittent Bystander - 1 February 2008

ms x – The Culture Ghost is worth a bookmark for the banner alone! Thanks for the link, and sorry it took me so long to click it.

I was afraid it led to another complicated interblog battle; but no! Admirably pithy.

85. marisacat - 1 February 2008

Local news is covering HIllary live from San Jose Convention Center… big crowd. FWIW. A unity speech, from what I heard of it. Huerta was on stage with her, Villaraigosa and Nunez seated togeher behind her.

She heads up to SF next to the Orpheum Theatre for a “low dollar” event.

86. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 February 2008

Obama vs. Clinton, A Second Thought

Finally, there was this insight from a John Pierce, who I don’t know, in an email that showed up in my inbox today. As part of a piece on the Obama candidacy, comparing him to Abraham Lincoln, Pierce said “he [Lincoln] even invited political foes to serve in his cabinet. Because of his policy of ‘keep your friends close and your enemies closer,’ his allegiances were maddeningly unclear. He led by gathering input from all sides, then made decisions based on how far he believed he could push the nation towards change, and not an inch farther. Ideologues thought him weak, wobbly, unsure of himself. Similarly, there’s FDR, a man who entered the White House fully opposed to permanent benefits for the downtrodden, and was won over to that cause by liberal advisors.”

Could Obama be a Lincolnesque or FDR-type figure?

I can see it. I cannot, absolutely cannot see it for Hillary Clinton.

But it won’t happen with Obama unless the progressive movement continues building up its independent, issue-oriented, outside-the-corporate-parties strength.

Lincoln and FDR were elected in times of great national crisis and political upheaval. As those crises deepened and unfolded, they were both pushed by events and movements from below to take steps they had not planned to take prior to their election. Lincoln’s solution to the slavery crisis prior to the Presidency was to send enslaved Africans back to Africa. Yet, two years after taking office and because it was seen as a military necessity to win the Civil War, he issued the Emancipation Proclamation.

And FDR was President during the decade which saw the greatest upsurge of workers organizing themselves into unions that this nation has ever seen, before or since. That is the primary reason why he undertook the policies that he did.

Obama’s Newsweek quote is instructive. From all that I can see, the three most broadly-based and active mass movements on issues are the anti-war movement, the universal health care movement and the climate movement. Is it a coincidence that he lists these as the three areas where he wants to bring about positive change?

When I got a chance to ask a question of Amiri Baraka last night, it was about Cynthia McKinney, the likely nominee for the Green Party nomination who is also being supported by African American activists working to build a Reconstruction Party. McKinney is the candidate who I am supporting for the Presidency, a strong black woman whose positions on the issues are the best and most reflective of my beliefs. She is not going to take office in 2009, but her candidacy can be a leading component of a multi-faceted, multi-tactical, multi-issue progressive movement that builds all through 2008, that engages in not just electoral activism but nonviolent civil disobedience and other tactics of struggle for justice, peace and clean energy.

Baraka had nothing but positive things to say about McKinney, while standing by his position that the African American and progressive movement should support Obama.

I’m not going to vote for Obama in the Democratic Party primary because I’m a registered Green. I’m not going to vote for him if he’s the Democratic nominee in November. I’m not going to send him any money. But I’ll be rooting for him to defeat Hillary Clinton, and if he does I hope he defeats the Republican candidate.

I think I’m in much the same place.

87. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 February 2008

found this link via Culture Ghost:

The Aftermath

Molly Ivins wrote a column back in January of 2006, I will not support Hillary Clinton for president, pretty much explaining why Clinton is a bad idea. The last time people didn’t listen to Molly, we ended up with the Shrubbery. She was a great loss to the country, as she told the truth.

Natasha wondered about the other candidate in Obama: Another Liberdem? The answer is yes. Don’t listen to his speeches, read his positions. The man has more in common with Arlen Specter than John Kennedy. He’s a moderate to conservative Republican and further to the right than Hillary Clinton.

88. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 February 2008

and the Molly piece he links to:

I will not support Hillary Clinton for president
January 20, 2006

AUSTIN, Texas — I’d like to make it clear to the people who run the Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for president.

Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone This is not a Dick Morris election. Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify her. Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo, not to mention that gross pandering on flag-burning, are just contemptible little dodges.

The recent death of Gene McCarthy reminded me of a lesson I spent a long, long time unlearning, so now I have to re-learn it. It’s about political courage and heroes, and when a country is desperate for leadership. There are times when regular politics will not do, and this is one of those times. There are times a country is so tired of bull that only the truth can provide relief.

If no one in conventional-wisdom politics has the courage to speak up and say what needs to be said, then you go out and find some obscure junior senator from Minnesota with the guts to do it. In 1968, Gene McCarthy was the little boy who said out loud, “Look, the emperor isn’t wearing any clothes.” Bobby Kennedy — rough, tough Bobby Kennedy — didn’t do it. Just this quiet man trained by Benedictines who liked to quote poetry.

What kind of courage does it take, for mercy’s sake? The majority of the American people (55 percent) think the war in Iraq is a mistake and that we should get out. The majority (65 percent) of the American people want single-payer health care and are willing to pay more taxes to get it. The majority (86 percent) of the American people favor raising the minimum wage. The majority of the American people (60 percent) favor repealing Bush’s tax cuts, or at least those that go only to the rich. The majority (66 percent) wants to reduce the deficit not by cutting domestic spending, but by reducing Pentagon spending or raising taxes.

The majority (77 percent) thinks we should do “whatever it takes” to protect the environment. The majority (87 percent) thinks big oil companies are gouging consumers and would support a windfall profits tax. That is the center, you fools. WHO ARE YOU AFRAID OF?

89. marisacat - 1 February 2008

waaaaaaa… why can’t we split one more family!

Where is Maria Shriver (where are the pesky Shrivers and Lawfords?)? Surely she can decide for a Democrat… and balance all these bloated pics of Arnold, Guiliani and Mac. (they really are awful pictures… ugh)

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92. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 February 2008

Berkeley Finds a New Way to Make War Politics Local

BERKELEY, Calif. — While the City Council here has little — read, no — sway over foreign policy and distant wars, local parking is a different matter. And so it was that a parking space directly in front of the recruiting station here for the Marine Corps was awarded on Tuesday night to an antiwar group in the hope of running the Marines out of town.

Having failed in recent years to impeach President Bush and stop the war in Afghanistan, members of the City Council approved a resolution that encourages people to nonviolently “impede, passively or actively,” the work of the recruiters.

To that end, the council awarded the group, Code Pink, exclusive use of the parking spot for four hours one afternoon each week, for the next six months, to stage its protests. “If you’re going to join the Marines, you’re going to join the Marines,” said Zanna Joi, an activist with Code Pink, which favors cotton-candy-colored garb and in-your-face tactics. “But you don’t have to join the Marines from our town.”

In taking on the Marines, the council also directed the city attorney to investigate legal means of ousting the recruiting station, calling the Marines “uninvited and unwelcome intruders” in this bastion of liberal politics, 1960s free speech and high-minded nonbinding resolutions.

Tom Bates, the city’s mayor and a former Army man himself, said the vote represented his constituents’ longstanding — and frequently vocal — distaste for current military activity.

“Berkeley has been opposed to the Iraq war since the beginning; it’s overwhelmingly unpopular in this community,” Mr. Bates said. “And people feel this is an opportunity to express their discontent.”

Way to go, damned dirty hippies!

Very cool.

93. Hair Club for Men - 1 February 2008

Can you imagine how the military recruiter who gets assigned to Berkeley must feel?

Please. Send me to Iraq now.

94. Hair Club for Men - 1 February 2008

Then again, I guess there are poor inner city parts of Berkeley where a military recruiter might just meet his quota.

95. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

Because I couldn’t let this one go: I’ve crossposted a Mo Betta META diary about ” Daily Kos, Chevron, Bill Clinton, and Kazahkstan” to pff.

96. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 February 2008

Can’t Pay Your Mortgage? Trash Your House and Leave

It’s okay when a company uses something up and leaves for economic reasons, but little tiny actual human beings?!?! Oh, Adam Smith forfend!

As if it were that easy. Especially for those homeowners, including those with good and bad credit, who have seen the light at the end of our current economic crisis only to decide there isn’t a house in it. In fact, one could almost see the Wall Street Journal frown with disapproval upon reading the title of their December 2007 piece, “Now Even Borrowers With Good Credit Pose Risks.” But the title no doubt was influenced by the comments of Bank of America CEO Kenneth Lewis in the piece itself. It seems that Lewis, whose company recently bought the housing meltdown’s poster boy for bad lending, Countrywide, for $4 billion in stock, nevertheless feels confounded that customers of questionable loans would simply choose to abandon ship, er, house. “There’s been a change in social attitudes toward default,” Mr. Lewis told the Journal. “We’re seeing people who are current on their credit cards but are defaulting on their mortgages. I’m astonished that people would walk away from their homes.” While Lewis may scratch his head in disbelief, employees of the bank Wachovia have an explanation that might work for him: Homeowners have crunched the numbers and decided their houses are worth less than their mortgages. According to a recent conference call, many of Wachovia’s current losses in California are originating not from subprime buyers fallen on financial hardship, but from homeowners who can pay their cleverly structured loans but are just choosing a different fate. “They’ve been from people that have otherwise had the capacity to pay,” a Wachovia spokesperson said on the call, “but have basically just decided not to because they feel like they’ve lost equity, value in their properties. It’s hard to know right now, but we may have seen somewhat of an acceleration problem…as people have reached that conclusion.”

Fuck ’em, shysters and loan sharks and usurers, all of them.

97. Madman in the Marketplace - 1 February 2008
98. ms_xeno - 1 February 2008

Have I mentioned lately how glad I am to live in a state where the primary means even less than shit ?

Just thought I mention that again. And now I need to catch some winks. Catnip’s tirade looks promising so I promise to give it a more thorough look-see tomorrow.

IB, I think it was Madman who first linked to CG’s place last month. I was just pleased to find another Crank who also collages. 🙂

99. sabrina - 1 February 2008

Ms xeno, sorry! Lol but I have to keep reminding myself that while we have the luxury of opting out of all this mess, the Iraqis don’t and especially those in our torture chambers. And the Dems are a disgrace, the only ones who could have done something ….

I wonder what drives people, like Hillary, to make them so immune to the dreadful consequences of their votes? Or the operatives, who think it makes them tough to be able to ignore the horrible human suffering their candidates either deliberately caused or chose to ignore, just for their own political ambitions? I can’t even begin to understand them. And when I see Hillary lie about her vote, still, I have to agree with Molly. No way could I support her.

IB #78 – thanks for that link. I knew I read somewhere abouty Wolf and Pat Robertson. Wonder why he was so persistent with Hillary over her war vote last night though? Does he have a conscience or was he told to go after her? Sad not to be able to trust any of them.

Kos and Chevron …. ‘let’s take their money and use it against them’! How are they using Chevron’s money against them? Chevron is still helping the junta in Burma and Kos is supporting them and that’s all there is to it. All his weak excuses are pure BS!

100. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

factcheck.org fact checks the “L.A. Lovefest”.

Obama made mistakes during the debate that I didn’t catch at all. Bad Barack!!

101. liberalcatnip - 1 February 2008

Chevron is still helping the junta in Burma and Kos is supporting them and that’s all there is to it.

I could have sworn I caught a glimpse of MB in a robe over there protesting with the monks. 😉

102. melvin - 1 February 2008

I am still waiting to see the NAMBLA ad on dk. By what logic could kos turn them down?

103. D. Throat - 1 February 2008

Excellent catch Madman:

In his presidency, he consistently sacrificed Black supporters and interests, whenever they didn’t seem subservient enough. He jettisoned law professor, Lani Guinier, when she was in consideration of the #2 spot at the U.S. Justice Department’s civil rights division. When his former Surgeon General, Dr. Jocelyn Elders, was criticized by conservatives, he unceremoniously dumped her. He has betrayed virtually every constituency that supported him to bring into being his brand of neo liberalism, a kind of conservatism with a smile.

He interrupted his first presidential campaign to return to Little Rock to execute a brain damaged Black man on the Arkansas Death Row.

His vow to ‘end welfare as we know it’ was a sop to whites, who saw poor Blacks as getting something undeserved, and his own Cabinet secretary, Richard Rubin, has said as much! That he would countenance so much human suffering of the poor, so that the worst feelings of whites could be sated, is proof that the claim of being the ‘first black president’ was little more than a cruel, ironic joke.

With ‘bruthas’ like these, who needs enemies?

This is in contrast to the new NYT article that tries to magnify Hilary sparse “civil rights activities“…

As a sophomore, Mrs. Clinton volunteered as a “Big Sister” to a 7-year-old black girl whose mother, a single housekeeper, needed child care. Mrs. Clinton helped the girl with homework, took her to movies, took her to dinner at Harvard.

104. D. Throat - 2 February 2008

I see that the Clintons are demanding services to be rendered for payments received.

105. marisacat - 2 February 2008


106. marisacat - 2 February 2008

OK 5th try – Wp is refusing my comments…

Of the three, Lani Guinier, Jocelyn Elders and Dick Morris, it was only Dick who got a sympathy call from the Clintons…

I laughed when I read that… it ws clear Bill had greater feeling for toe sucking – caught on camera – than for principles and courageous ideas and stated political thoughts.

It was all clear so long ago.

107. D. Throat - 2 February 2008

yeah there is something funky going on…

I keep getting a strange message that says i need to refresh or contact Word press

108. marisacat - 2 February 2008

I finally got it to accept the comment by holding down Control while ckicking on “say it”


It has hiccuped for two days, three by now. I wish they’d take it down and fix it.

109. sabrina - 2 February 2008

I got the same message as D. Throat. Now, I tried holding the ‘control’ button and got a message saying ‘your are posting messages too quickly, slow down’. So, I’ll try to type a little slower and to hold the ‘control’ button a little longer, and see what happens! Lol! What fun ….

110. sabrina - 2 February 2008

Holding the control button worked on the second try ….. in case anyone is wondering …. thanks for the tip, marisacat.

111. marisacat - 2 February 2008

test 2

112. D. Throat - 2 February 2008

I just refreshed and waited… that seems to work too.

113. marisacat - 2 February 2008


one more try…

It seems, from past instances, that whent he comment soft ware fucks up, it will just throw any number of error screens out. sigh.

Its been a mess for three days… but in every instance took my comment, despite the error screen.

Not tonight.

I wish they’d take it down.

114. bayprairie - 2 February 2008

I keep getting a strange message that says i need to refresh or contact Word press

same here. i tried contacting wordpress. they’re out so don’t bother. the service told me they’re all over at ampersand’s place singing blowin’ in the wind.

115. marisacat - 2 February 2008

I see all the news feeds are down but for Democracy NOW! That many it might be a WP problme.

I had jsut found a new news source – nothing groudnshaking but new…(think it is called Wahington Independent) and decided NOT to try to post the feed tonight…


116. marisacat - 2 February 2008

Hillary is on with Tavis… quite nervous. Or, that is my take.

117. D. Throat - 2 February 2008

I think not only did Bill bow her chances with Black voters… the MAJORITY of whom were more favorable to Hil than Obama for months now… but the real problem is that Bill let the “Black Genie” out of the box.

All the dEMOCRATIC White Boyz have been pontificating for DECADES that the Southern Strategy is enshrined in gold and can never be undone. What we are seeing now is that is has been the dems all along that have been propping up this facade. Just look at the numbers in South Carolina… Obama beat the top three Republicans combined. That is a hell of a big difference than in 2004… in which the NYT ran a seminal article about race, democrats and the southern strategy. I HIGHLY suggest reading the whole article.

Blacks who vote in South Carolina overwhelmingly want George Bush out. But as one black South Carolinian told me, a party can’t just depend on ”a bogeyman” or identify with a community when it’s convenient and expect consistent identification in return.

The Democratic Party is the party that talks about the black vote and attaining it by any means necessary,’‘ Aiken said. ”Now, that does not equate with ‘We value the black vote’ as much as ‘We have to attain it in order to get what we want.”‘ The routine currency in this exchange is emotion — for white candidates a little soul power soaked up from a gospel choir and shed just as easily. Candidates parade through church, Aiken noted, but, she said: ”Has anyone done a follow-up visit after a campaign? You know, ‘I came to your church, asked for your vote, the preacher gave me the pat and we prayed. Now I’m in; I’m going to make one more trip back, at least to thank you.”’

It is commonly recognized that whichever passing churchgoer ultimately becomes the party’s nominee, he will not be seen here again. In the Democratic National Committee’s markup of battleground and nonbattleground states for November, South Carolina falls definitively into the latter category. (Bush easily won the state in the 2000 election with nearly 60 percent of the vote.) Some Democratic strategists say that the party might be smart to write off not just South Carolina but the whole South (except Florida) and concentrate on states more demonstrably in play. It is less commonly noted that writing off the South, home to 55 percent of the country’s black population, symbolically means writing off African-Americans as well.

So, where is the Southern Strategy today??? South Carolina is in play for the general… and by the looks of the polls coming so too are Alabama, Georgia.

That is what happens when the DLC Clintonites are NOT in controll of the DNC for the first time in 20 years.

Oh and that “hope thang…” works:

Cobb-Hunter said she’s hopeful that the new leadership in the state Democratic Party will bring a change. Some 260,000 eligible black voters in South Carolina aren’t registered. Added to registered no-shows, that means half a million or so African-Americans are ”missing voters,” a group sizable enough to turn any statewide election for the Democrats — if they saw a reason to. But everyone I met who’s doing voter registration in town, on campus or in the countryside said they’re up against it. Cheeseboro recalled that two years ago, ”folks actually ran me out their yard. They’d say: ‘Get out! I’m not voting. I don’t want anything to do with it. Ain’t nothin’ gonna change.’ I have heard that over and over again.”

118. marisacat - 2 February 2008

when that NYT article appeared in 2004, it was well into STFU SYFPIEHOLE at Dkos and I used that report a lot, to make my own points.

They’d shut us up – or try to, but if I quoted blacks in the South, I was allowed to speak.

So cute.

119. D. Throat - 2 February 2008

Oh BTW I got a real chuckle out of the White Boi posting “Black Kos”… he couldn’t bring himself to mention Bill’s race oriented attacks on Obama.

120. marisacat - 2 February 2008

Looking over headlines at Huff Po… I see that Democrats in Congress raised “record cash for 2008″…

alll you can do si laugh. Peoeple liked the 110th a lot better than they told pollster.

Open wide and swalllllllllllllllllllow.

121. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

Mcat at 89 – I almost posted a flip remark about scavenging for Rockefellers, Roosevelts, or Martin Van Buren descendants (which included Nelson Eddy and Glenn Ford, supposedly), but reality has now outstripped whimsy yet again: Susan Eisenhower endorsement appears at WaPo today.

The last time the United States had an open election was 1952. My grandfather was pursued by both political parties and eventually became the Republican nominee. Despite being a charismatic war hero, he did not have an easy ride to the nomination. He went on to win the presidency — with the indispensable help of a “Democrats for Eisenhower” movement. These crossover voters were attracted by his pledge to bring change to Washington and by the prospect that he would unify the nation.

It is in this great tradition of crossover voters that I support Barack Obama’s candidacy for president. If the Democratic Party chooses Obama as its candidate, this lifelong Republican will work to get him elected and encourage him to seek strategic solutions to meet America’s greatest challenges. To be successful, our president will need bipartisan help.

In other news, the (Grateful, remaining) Dead show has been confirmed.

And SF Bay has taken another hit – this time it’s sewage.

122. melvin - 2 February 2008
123. marisacat - 2 February 2008

a bit of a post…


124. marisacat - 2 February 2008

yes they seem quite perplexed about the sewage… signs have gone up at several beaches…

There was alos an International group of Zoo directors and other professionals and specialists at the SF Zoo.

What a shock, it is a mess. Their assessment.

All it has been for years is a land grab and a PR point… it was sad 40+ years ago and is still sad…

125. marisacat - 2 February 2008

Maybe Ob could run in a red and blue Superman suit. Or purple if that fits the post-partisan game.

Considering that the small d democratic hopes for change always lose out, as the Big D game is to be subsumed by conservatives, and now add in faith based to authoritarian conservatives… this will not be any different.

Bang up party inauguration night, at the Nixon Center, I am sure… LOL. And the Eisenhouwer Center as well……………….

126. marisacat - 2 February 2008

Sorry melvin…

you were lost in spam for an hour…

127. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

122 – Love the Russian doors and windows to nowhere.

But for beach entertainments, Lima looks like more fun!

128. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008
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