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All you can do is laugh… 2 February 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2004 Election, 2006 Mid Terms, 2008 Election, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Israel/AIPAC, Lie Down Fall Down Dems, Pakistan, U.S. House, U.S. Senate, WAR!.

     Them, July 2006

They won’t be doing anything differently, come the Hosanna future that dawns post election… if you did not like the 110th but suffered on, remain bent over…

With a preponderance of attention being paid to the 2008 presidential campaign, the Senate races being waged during this cycle have gone largely ignored by the national media. Which is unfortunate because history is being made.

On Thursday, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee announced that it had raised $13.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2007, bringing its yearly total to $55.4 million. By comparison, the previous record for money raised in a year by the organization was $43.6 million in 2005.

“Every day there is more evidence that the American people are hungry for change and are looking to Democrats to provide it,” DSCC Chair, Sen. Chuck Schumer. “From successful fundraising and recruiting to record turnout in Democratic primaries, there is a wave building across the country, and with nine months to go until Election Day,

we could very well deliver lasting change.”

Try not to choke… try to swallow hard and know that Daddy Schumer (Chuck to his friends but not to you) loves you and wants what is best for you.

On the House side, the Democrats also find their coffers being stuffed. For the year, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee raised a record $67.5 million.

In 2008 there are 12 Democratic Senators and 23 Republican who are either retiring or are up for reelection. Of those, according to the Cook Political Report, only two Democrats face any imminent danger, while 10 Republicans find themselves in electoral crosshairs. On the House side, meanwhile, there are ten Republican seats being vacated that are deemed “toss ups” in 2008. For the Democrats that number is zero.

“In the off year you have a few jobs: recruit candidates, retain incumbents and raise money,” Matt Miller, the DSCC’s spokesperson, told the Huffington Post. “We feel good about the off year we have and now that we are in an election year we have a map where there are a number of Republicans held seats where they are playing defense and really only one Democratic seat where they have a challenger.


I read an interesting speculation, and that is all it was but I did pause, Chilliza in The Fix had a list of possible Veepessas for both Obama and Hillary.

One on Obama’s list was TIm Kaine, who supported him very early and iirc is a National Co-Chair.  He is also up in 2009, VA governor is mandated one term…


Dennis Perrin, a snip from a good post

[W]hat if it’s McCain vs. Hillary in November? Oh man, that would be a blast to witness. Two nearly identical choices for imperial manager, the one slight difference being that McCain says he’s opposed to torture, while Hillary must wait to check wind velocity and direction. I can see the liberals twisting themselves into numerous knots trying to justify a Hillary vote over McCain, assuring each other that it’s the right thing to do, and of course reaching back to Bill’s criminal years for inspiration. You mules better hope that Saint Obama gets the nod instead. At least with him, the fantasy is easier to pull off. Change! Hope! Stardust! Ponies! If I ruled the world . . .

Funny thing is, not that long ago, McCain was the liberals’ favorite Republican, especially in comparison to the Bushes. His time in a North Vietnamese cell earned McCain a lot of guilt cred among Bill Clinton’s groupies, who felt bad backing a draft dodger over a POW. So, they tried to have it both ways: Clinton, Hero President; McCain, War Hero and All Around Good Guy.

I remember it all too well.

Don’t strain, they will be reminding us.  Maybe Obama can send Kerry out to campaign against McCain.  A sick nasty old man who could level Kerry wtih a glance.  I don’t want to remember…

Here is a snip from Perrin recalling a night on Alan Colmes’ program in NYC, Perrin dared to remind three Clintonistas WHY McCain was in a POW cell in Vietnam:

At one point, Colmes … asked the panel if John McCain was a war hero. Bales puffed out his chest, tilted his head to the side, weighed the issue, then pronounced that, yes, McCain was indeed a war hero. Barrymore quickly chimed in, adding her assent, while Colmes breathlessly spoke of how honored he was to have personally met McCain and basked in his glow.

Then they all turned to me.

“Well,” I said, hesitating a moment, for I knew my answer would elicit some hostility, “I’m not sure how heroic it is to incinerate Vietnamese children.”

“OHHHHHHHHHH!!!!” was the collective reply.

Colmes told me I was tasteless. [Jaid] Barrymore said I should be ashamed of myself. Bales puffed out his chest yet again (he did this a lot during the three-hour show) and demanded to know whether I considered McCain a war criminal.

“No. Not personally. McCain didn’t create the policy. The war criminals were in Washington.”

Still, I added, that doesn’t exonerate McCain for dropping bombs on the Vietnamese.

“Oh!” squeaked Barrymore. “What should he have dropped instead — birthday presents?”

The slagging went on for a little while longer. Here I was, in the middle of three Clinton liberals, reminding them why McCain ended up in a POW cell. Not that I supported torture or reprisal beatings, but some context was in order. The Vietnamese didn’t sneak into the States and kidnap McCain from his snug bed. The three couldn’t care less. What’s more, they defended the U.S. bombing of Vietnam, at least so long as McCain was doing the killing. It was a handy reminder of how crazed liberals become when they taste a little blood.

So absolutely classic.  A moment endlessly repeated thru time. I think Pakistan is clearly being skinned and de-feathered, to be presented to us as fine case for the “blooding of the president”, whomever, which ever it will be.


This last… I bet it has McCain and the Republican machine slobbering at the bit. Kerry pulled that ‘first and foremost an Internationalist’ schtick as well.

Sorry, just don’t see new ideas from the Democratic party… not not… and more of not.

[oh right, necessary addenda:   opposing Obama does not constitute supporting HIllary — I realise that is complicated, god knows why]




1. BooHooHooMan - 2 February 2008

They won’t be doing anything differently, come the Hosanna future that dawns post election… if you did not like the 110th but suffered on, remain bent over…-mcat


Kind of like Where “ouch” meets “screw the pooch”….
Or “Scrooch”.
You know,-
Fucked like Scrooge, but with Poodle- cuddly friendliness….
Hopefully,… at best….

2. BooHooHooMan - 2 February 2008

Mortifying most likely.

So absolutely classic. A moment endlessly repeated thru time. I think Pakistan is clearly being skinned and de-feathered, to be presented to us as fine case for the “blooding of the president”, whomever, which ever it will be.-mcat

We’re right up there with our ritual sacrifice( of others) , our savage, societal rite (and right) of political passage… Chilling.

3. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

You set me right up, BHHM – I knew there was a joke in here somewhere. Thanks!

(Photos from last weekend’s parade of the Mystic Krewe of Barkus. Today’s Mardi Gras parade coverage here.)

4. wilfred - 2 February 2008

Conventional Wisdom Nov ’06: Pelosi and Reed will make a huge change!

Conventional Wisdom Feb ’08 Obama and Hillary will make a huge change!

Conventional Wisdom is certainly conventional and definitely unwise.

5. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

NPR does the nation a favor: Misperceptions About McCain’s Abortion Stance.

Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, says her group has always considered McCain pro-life as well. And it’s not just abortion, she says.

“He voted against family planning, he voted against the freedom of access to clinic entrances — that was about violence against women in clinics,” Keenan says, adding, “He voted against funding for teen pregnancy-prevention programs, and making sure that abstinence only was medically accurate. This is very, very extreme.”

Yet in Florida’s GOP primary on Jan. 29, McCain won 45 percent of Republican voters who said abortion should be legal. That’s nearly twice the total of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who used to be pro-choice, but now says he has changed his mind. And Giuliani, who says he still is pro-choice, received just 19 percent of those pro-choice voters.

NARAL’s Keenan thinks it’s because voters see McCain splitting with Republicans on so many other issues, they assume he must split with them when it comes to abortion as well.

“I think it comes back to that moderate maverick image that he’s tried to portray,” Keenan says. “But when you peel the onion back, the record shows that this is a guy who’s been very anti-choice since he entered the U.S. House of Representatives back in 1983.”

BTW – I think the Mystic Krewe of Barkus is trapped in spam.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2008

Found the link to the veep piece you referenced:


* Tom Daschle: Daschle, bounced from office in 2004 by Thune, has been intimately involved in selling Obama both inside the Beltway and in the early primary states. Daschle also deserves credit for providing Obama with experienced senior staff, from chief of staff Pete Rouse to senior campaign adviser Steve Hildebrand to communications director Dan Pfeiffer.

* John Edwards: See the write-up above.

* Tim Kaine: One of the first major elected officials to go with Obama, the governor of Virginia is out of a job at the end of 2009 due to term limits. He hails from an emerging purple state, and his missionary work and comfort with talking about faith would be an intriguing addition to the ticket.

* Claire McCaskill: The freshman senator from Missouri has been one of Obama’s key surrogates around the country and is trying to deliver the Show Me State to him on Tuesday. Like Talent, geography is the strongest argument in McCaskill’s favor.

* Kathleen Sebelius: Perhaps the early leader for Obama’s veep pick is Sebelius, now midway through her second term as governor of Kansas. Sebelius’s ability to win in strongly Republican Kansas and Obama’s personal ties to the Sunflower State make her a fascinating choice.

I’m betting Sebelius, out of that list.

7. sabrina - 2 February 2008

Good to be reminded of Perrin’s truth-telling and how it was received by Clinton liberals.

Bhhm, lol, ‘ouch’ indeed. Marisacat does have a way of saying what needs to be said. Easy to see why she made the poor little operators and fairy tale promoters at DK, very nervous.

Nancy looked at home actually at the SOTU next to Cheney (where has been?) and behind Bush. It was really quite sickening to see her jumping up at what she probably considered non-partisan ramblings from the lying, war-criminal president, and applauding him.

Chaffee described the Dems perfectly. They can’t wait to show how tough they are. What a shame that a time in history when one of the worst administrations ever, all the left over non-indicted criminals from past administrations, was foisted on the country, these panderers and political opportunists were all we had to rely on to use the power of Congress to stop him.

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2008

Deadly Hubris:

Not that McCain, whose self-confessed difficulty with economic issues comes as a surprise to no one, cares much about the latter. He grimaced and rolled his eyes during the debate, as Ron Paul laid out the economic consequences of the McCainiac hyper-interventionist foreign policy. In answer to a question about whether we’re better off now than we were eight years ago, the Texas troublemaker averred:

“No, no, we’re not better off. We’re worse off, but it’s partially this administration’s fault and it’s the Congress. But it also involves an economic system that we’ve had for a long time and a monetary system that we’ve had and a foreign policy that’s coming to an end and we have to admit this. … We were elected in the year 2000 to have a humble foreign policy and not police the world, and yet what are we doing now? We’re bogged down in another war. We’re bankrupting our country and we have an empire that we’re trying to defend which costs us $1 trillion a year.”

It’s coming to an end, and we have to admit this, because the markets are roiling as the prospect of an American super-recession takes shape, and the central bank acts with unprecedented boldness to shore up the shaky foundations of an economy built around artificial bank credit expansion. This, after all, is how states finance wars, and especially wars of choice (i.e. wars of aggression) such as Iraq: the invisible taxation of bank credit expansion, i.e. inflating the money supply. Without the link to gold, or some other commodity or basket of commodities, governments are free to debase their own currencies, and thus destroy the very basis of commerce.

The three branches of the federal government are bound by the chains of the Constitution, and yet when gold was separated from the value of the currency the government was “freed” from its bounds, and unchained it went forth – to make war.

Financing wars, especially unpopular wars, is a tricky business: direct taxation is the least desirable option. It might create undue awareness of the war’s real costs. Much better to exact the invisible tax of inflation, which eats into people’s savings and takes its highest toll on those least able to afford it. It’s the most regressive tax of all, yet both political parties support it fulsomely. They’d rather sell the country’s assets off to the Chinese than give up their bipartisan delusions of Washington as the Imperial City, the capital of a rising world empire. Paul’s dark warning that we have “a foreign policy that’s coming to an end and we have to admit this” certainly rings true as the financial markets quiver on the edge of a massive meltdown.

Our empire is a bubble that’s about to burst, along with the economic bubble the Federal Reserve lives in mortal fear of. Whether this is punishment from on high, or simply economic “blowback” rebounding from our fiscal and foreign policies, is a matter of taste and disposition. I’ll leave it to the secularists and the faithful to argue it out, and simply note that we’re about to pay the price of our deadly hubris.

Paul is a nut, but he’s so right about this.

9. ms_xeno - 2 February 2008

I was on another board in which the regulars were going on and on about how all those people who lost their homes were obviously living in mansions with swimming pools even though they were living on a supermarket checker’s income at the time.

[rolleyes] I’m sure you would all be proud of how well I kept my temper in check. But I am now in search of hard data as to the income levels of most of 2007’s home-losers. Google is slow going, probably because I haven’t used the right search phrases. But there is some good general stuff at the Consumer Rights Watch blog and at Public Citizen aka Old Reliable.

If anyone stumbles on to this economic Rosetta Stone, pass it on please.

I am always impressed at how people read in the papers about another human’s dumb decision at the hands of professional sheep-fleecers and then immediately blank out every horrid shear-job they themselves were ever subjected to. :/

10. marisacat - 2 February 2008


ms x

I have caught some horrible examples of that very thing. In fact a reporter from the San Jose Mercury who declared the whole thing ws facilitated by “greed”

Earlier this week there was a Democracy NOW! show that highlighted the subprime issue as the greatest single economic blow to blacks in the USA. If I can find it will post the link, it is bound to have at least some figures..

11. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

The news we’ve all been waiting for (haha): Sarkozy and Bruni marry in Paris

Btw, those are just obscene amounts of money raised by the Dems (and everyone running in this election). The meme that Mitt has enough money to buy his way into the WH over McCain just sickens me (while he reminds people that the $100 million trust fund for his spawn is safe). It’s not “Ballot Bowl” as CNN has dubbed it. It’s “Money Bowl”.

What a huge waste of millions of dollars. It sure makes big media happy though.

12. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

I was on another board

What’s up with that?? We’re supposed to be “insular” here.

13. ms_xeno - 2 February 2008

Merci, Mcat. I have to head out soon, but will keep my eyes open.

A little goes a long, long way, I guess. But in case you’re curious the thread in question is here.

What is interesting is that the author of the original piece talks about homeowners who “run the clock,” which everyone accepts without question as representative of homeowners in straits. Meanwhile it took me three minutes to find a story that made the rounds on Common Dreams and other sites late last year about a suit against Ameriquest for essentially not notifying the homeowner that her mortgage was toast.

Same old, same old…

14. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

Speaking of obscene amounts of money: Bush to seek $140.7 billion for Army in budget

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – President George W. Bush will seek $140.7 billion on Monday for the U.S. Army in fiscal 2009, including increased funds to buy helicopters and other equipment, according to budget documents obtained by Reuters.

That request would be 8 percent higher than the Army budget requested for fiscal 2008.
Bush’s overall Pentagon budget request will total $515.4 billion for fiscal 2009, up 7.5 percent from the funds Congress approved for 2008, according to Pentagon documents obtained by Reuters on Friday. He also will seek $70 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

15. ms_xeno - 2 February 2008

Mea culpa, catnip. I did it for the Kos-free cat pics. [blush]

16. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

Happy Groundhog Day. (I wonder if the Huckster ever cooked one of those in his popcorn popper.)

17. marisacat - 2 February 2008

ms x

looking now… ugh her search engine is lousy…



Don’t question monies for the army, it all goes for reinforced tanks. ARMOR UP!!

We know this as both Rep and Dems will tell us that.


18. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

Nice to see that Obama isn’t playing old-style politics. cough cough

19. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

ms x – lots of links, including research, legislative advocacy, and media reports, at Center for Responsible Lending, which is a “a nonprofit, nonpartisan research and policy organization dedicated to protecting homeownership and family wealth by working to eliminate abusive financial practices.” Should be some good stuff there.

A couple more promising links:
The worst housing slump since the Great Depression? (New deal democrat diary at DK, 1/30/08 – lotsa charts)

Here’s a recent SF Chron article about California’s stats: Startling jump in California foreclosures 1/23/08

A lot of foreclosure/house price/median income info gets analyzed at the state or regional level, so it’s hard to come up with one-size-fits all numbers. However, from The social toll of the US home mortgage crisis (WSW article, September 07):

The overall increase of mortgage debt, however, has not been spread evenly within the American population. A 2004 report by the Century Foundation found that low-income homebuyers had experienced an increase in their mortgage burden far out of proportion to their numbers. The report found a 191 percent increase in mortgage debt in the lowest income group, in contrast to 95 percent in the median income percentile and 39 percent in the highest.

The Century Foundation report also notes that “a family with two earners today actually has less discretionary income, after fixed costs like medical insurance and mortgage payments are accounted for, than did a family with one breadwinner in the 1970s.” (See “Life and Debt: Why American Families are Borrowing to the Hilt”)

Moreover, a 2004 study by the Federal Reserve Board found that more than a quarter of low-income households spend forty percent or more of their earnings repaying debt.

Other possibilities:
Federal Reserve reports
HUD foreclosure page

20. D. Throat - 2 February 2008

I am glad Obama is rolling in the dirt… only losers stay above the fray. At least he isn’t lying like the Clintons did about his pro choice credentials. Crooked Timber compares and contrast forced insurance in Australia under Howard:

What’s quite irritating about this whole debate is that several writers (most notably Paul Krugman) have been insisting that Obama’s credentials as a progressive are somehow undermined because he doesn’t favour penalising people who decline to buy health insurance. I seem to recall a few years ago John Howard running on a policy of penalising people who decline to buy health insurance. We didn’t think this was a particularly progressive policy when he did it. (Though to be fair to Howard, his penalties only kicked in for people earning significantly above average earnings.) And we didn’t think it was a sign of creeping conservatism in the Labor Party that they opposed it. Quite the opposite; it was caving to Howard’s policies that was the sign of creeping conservatism. We thought, quite accurately, that what Howard was doing was trying to undermine public (i.e. universal) health insurance by propping up private (i.e. partial) health insurance. To see a candidate be smeared as a conservative for not being enough like John Howard, well it’s a bit galling.

21. melvin - 2 February 2008

Eye candy break:

What a country Photos from Russia

A Day At The Beach In South Korea

(Both via the wonderful Grow a Brain, whose proprietor is currently seeking input on what to do with his blog.)

22. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008
23. D. Throat - 2 February 2008


24. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008


No thanks. I’m trying to cut down.

25. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

I am glad Obama is rolling in the dirt… only losers stay above the fray.

Do as I say, not as I do?

I thought (from all of his speechifying) that he was supposed to be taking the high road.

26. D. Throat - 2 February 2008

Lying is taking the low road… he did not lie. Hilary is trying to set up a boondoggle for insurance companies

27. marisacat - 2 February 2008


thanks for that… you obviously are a stellar Googler…


28. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

In the end, that’s what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or a politics of hope?

Barack Obama

29. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

26. Then you’ll have to define “lie” for me.

Here are a few more:

Amid all the mutual admiration, however, we still found a few factual missteps:

* Obama claimed Democratic voter turnout has doubled in “every single election that we’ve had so far in this [nominating] contest.” Not true. It doubled in only two. In New Hampshire the turnout increased by 30 percent.

* Obama misleadingly said corporate tax loopholes totaled $1 trillion. That figure is an estimate for a 10-year period and includes items such as low-income housing tax credits and tax-free bonds for state and local governments.

* Obama mischaracterized Clinton’s earlier statements on driver’s licenses for illegal aliens, saying, “You said you were for it. Then you said you were against it.” Actually she avoided giving a yes-or-no answer in one debate, then made clear she opposed the idea.


Face it: all politicians lie.

30. D. Throat - 2 February 2008

That’s right keep ignoring the issue of forced insurance.

I don’t deny that I would prefer Obama over Clinton for many reasons beyond Obama himselfd … so… perhaps you should just admit that you prefer Clinton and then we can agree to disagree.

31. marisacat - 2 February 2008

the only plan worth anything is single payer. Expand Medicare, forward and backward and for the federal government to become a wholesaler of prescription medicine (this was noted as imperative, at the time Medicare was instituted, in the god damed 60s).

Hward had a hodge podge, that he explained very well. George McGovern a coupel of years ago outlined expanding Medicare immediately to 0 to 18 and to catastrphic illness. Then incrementally til you have everyone covered. Fold in Medicaid and you have a single system.

ALL OF THE POLS wish to maintain a welfare level of health care. IE, even in such a thing as health care we shall not be equal, EVER.

And to keep the ins cos happy.

Frankly all the plans are shit and all whoever goes in will do what the party and the conservatives, both parties, in congress mandate.

Nothing more.

32. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

30. Here’s more on health care for you then and take a look at their records if you think they actually differ that much.

perhaps you should just admit that you prefer Clinton and then we can agree to disagree.

What a laugh that is. Neither of them would ever get a vote from this liberal. They’re both completely unacceptable, afaic. (And you’d know that I thought that way if you hadn’t spent so much energy pumping up Obama here while ignoring any criticism I’ve made of Hillary and the Dem party in general – which I have absolutely no use for.)

33. D. Throat - 2 February 2008

I pump up no one.. but I a fed up with your “I know best and ever one is too naive to see the truth but me” bull… like saying that I think Obama is the messaiah…

One can be critical but still take away the good bits with out swallowing the rest hook line and sinker.

34. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

Thanks. 🙂

Years of practice at quick-and-dirty research, offline and on. (Needless to say, online is quicker!) Plus, I confess, I do enjoy the hunt.

Think I found the Democracy Now item you referenced: Report: Subprime Mortgage Crisis Causing African Americans to Experience Greatest Loss of Wealth in Modern U.S. History (1/17/08)

as well as an April 07 Goodman interview with an atty at the Center for Responsible Lending (the nonprofit I mentioned above): Subprime Lending Crisis: Millions of Families Face Losing Their Homes to Foreclosure.

35. marisacat - 2 February 2008

IB – and ms xeno

I had only gotten as far as I think the 23rd and found this…

Kuttner on Democracy NOW on recession and subprime

36. D. Throat - 2 February 2008

I stayed away for several weeks because I was so disgusted in the whole election… I meant to only peek in before Iowa…. then Obama won and that made for good political armchair quarterbacking… this is the only place you can do that freely without being wedded to the Democratic party.

So, I do not care or wish to prove my “liberalness” bone fides to you catnip. When I say that the only change will be a change of political machines… I mean it. I do not care to be “tested” on my words over and over again until I some how meet your standards of political astuteness.

37. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

Mcat – We’ve definitely earned those offers of gourmet eggs and baked goods at ms xeno’s world-famous Sunday brunch.

Now if we could just work out a way for her to transmit those tasty items, directly, over the wires. . . .

38. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

Prepare for Peak Kennedy – as previously rumored, now Ethel’s in too!

39. marisacat - 2 February 2008


no one here is supporting Hillary.

I have no idea how some here may end up voting in either their primary or the GE in Nov…

Not everyone who posts here is a US citizen and thus not all vote in the US system…

I am off the Federal game… game it is. But here in CA we get a long list, almost every election (of which we will have 5 in a years period, from our most recent to the GE) to keep me busy.

All pols lie, going in and coming out. And in between.

There is little to no support for the Dem party here, either.

In case that was not clear.

And for the record, by now I could not care less what went on from Clinton camp to screw the Dem primaries in 03/04.

Poor Howard went deep inside and proved, the Party always gets its man.

More is the pity.

I see this election as between a DLCer and a Third Way.

Coupla conservatives – and owrse than that authoritarians.. LOL Distribute weapons and pray for good aim. That’s my motto.

40. marisacat - 2 February 2008


We are in Peak Kerry here… he is in SJ, then SF then on to Sacto.

Yikes. Drag out your dead, is how i see it.

41. Gayle - 2 February 2008

I haven’t bothered in ages, but now that the primaries are in full swing, I can’t help but check in over at D-kos every now and again. It’s such a train wreck.

Just found this awesome GBCW diary and I just had to share! I don’t know the author, but he implies he’s an oldster over there.

A GBCW Diary for you to Mock

“I don’t even like you people any more. You’re a bunch of self serving shills. And it’s not that you forgot what being a progressive is about. I honestly believe you never knew what it was to begin with. You just basically came and sat your fat, overendulged asses down and started eating our shrimp until it was too disgusting to want anymore.”

42. Miss Devore - 2 February 2008

Nathalie Holloway endorses Obama:


hey-I still have a sense of humor.

43. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2008

Face it: all politicians lie.

That is a corollary of a more basic truth:

All Americans lie, and cheat.

Our culture is built on it, demands it, forces people to it. I don’t think that makes America particularly different from the rest of the human race, but our sanctimoneous insistence that we’re “good” people and “the greatest nation on Earth” despite all evidence to the contrary makes it a particularly sad thing. Hell, we’ve built our entire economy around economic “persons” who are removed from liabilty/accountabilty for their bad acts. We celebrate and encourage an appalling amorality in our public sphere.

Our politicians are just us, no more and certainly no less.

44. Gayle - 2 February 2008

“I see this election as between a DLCer and a Third Way.”


I’m in MA and we’re getting bombed with McCain and Obama commercials. Nothing from the other candidates. I’m a bit surprised I’ve seen no lawn signs or bumper stickers for any of them in my town. No one has come to my door, either.

The only people who’ve called me are the Clinton people.

45. melvin - 2 February 2008

Analysts predict chaos as subprime Kennedy endorsements market strained to breaking point.

46. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

I a fed up with your “I know best and ever one is too naive to see the truth but me” bull

pffft…you’re kidding, right?? You obviously don’t know me if you think my ego is that huge.

like saying that I think Obama is the messaiah…

I said I had no use for “messiah politics”. There is a difference, you know…lofty speeches meant to play on peoples’ emotions, short on actual issues, big promises about “change” etc…

One can be critical but still take away the good bits

FYI, (again) I’ve been critical of all of them. Afaic, the “good bits” have been immensely overshadowed by reality and the political gamesmanship.

So, I do not care or wish to prove my “liberalness” bone fides to you catnip.

I spoke about my “liberalness” and clearly said that I don’t care who you vote for or that you have to prove anything to me.

I do not care to be “tested” on my words over and over again until I some how meet your standards of political astuteness.

Standards you’ve inflicted on me because I sure don’t see myself being any more politically astute than anyone – especially not here where there are people who know far more than I could ever hope to. I’m here to learn as much as I am to contribute and I have learned a vast amount from being here and still have a lot to catch up on.

I’m not into testing “words”. I have been quite clear that it’s policies I’m interested in. For some reason, you’ve taken that personally – as has Miss D. That’s not on me. That’s on you.

I don’t know why anyone would think they’d get a free ride here (especially here) when they advocate so strongly for a particular Dem party candidate. I have absolutely no faith in the Dems to do anything resembling what’s been promised. That’s already been proven over and over again.

47. marisacat - 2 February 2008

we are getting Obama and Hillary ads here in SF, heavily around our local news hour, hour and a half. The Dueling Kennedy ads… and a coupel without Kennedys.

no McCain ads. But HuckAnutter came thru town… played it lighthearted and thanks people for noticing he is not a Liberal and could we all tell Rush. I suspect he came thru as a newly minted Pro Life clergy group has been trying to gain hold here. Struggle on… we are the one city that filed an amicus brief to the SCOTUS in support of PPFoA, Cathcart etc in the so called “partial birth abortion” case.

One good thing, bullshit does not take long to out these days. We will get the back stories on the party fueds, sooner or later.

48. Gayle - 2 February 2008

“we are the one city that filed an amicus brief to the SCOTUS in support of PPFoA, Cathcart etc in the so called “partial birth abortion” case.”

Only one city filed an amicus brief in support? That’s infuriating!!

49. D. Throat - 2 February 2008

don’t know why anyone would think they’d get a free ride here (especially here) when they advocate so strongly for a particular Dem party candidate.

Excuse me but you are so full of shit.

I wrote extensively on how Clinton’s (Bill) Banking Reforms 10 years ago are directly related to the subprime meltdown today … and still NO ONE is making the connection… which is why I have already said MANY times that this election is a farce.

But there are many aspects of this election that can still be scrutinized and jawed about… like my comment on the previous thread that discusses the possibility of of the first time since it’s inception of ending the Southern Strategy … so give me a break… let’s just agree to ignore one another.

50. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

Via USA Today, this could be entertaining. Presidential hopefuls to be in youth-issues event.

. . . despite their advanced age, four presidential hopefuls — two Democrats and two Republicans — have agreed to participate Saturday in “Closing Arguments: A Presidential Super Dialogue,” a last chance for the candidates to make their case to the energized youth voting bloc before Super Tuesday, when 24 states hold nomination contests.

The event — sponsored by The Associated Press, MTV and MySpace — airs live on MTV and more than 1,800 websites and radio stations at 6 p.m. ET.

The candidates will join the 90-minute event via satellite: Clinton from Tucson, Arizona, and Obama from Minneapolis, Minnesota, on the Democratic side; Mike Huckabee from Alabama and Rep. Ron Paul from Texas on the Republican side. Better-polling Republican rivals McCain and Mitt Romney declined invitations to participate.

6 pm ET – must be underway already.

51. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

A GBCW Diary for you to Mock

Telling it like it is and I definitely agree with him about all of those promises that dkos will be different after the primaries – as if. There are a lot of people walking away now and that will leave the assholes left just where they want to be – in charge and with fewer dissenting voices than ever. The Big Orange Circle Jerk.

52. Gayle - 2 February 2008

You know, I’m completely pro-choice. I can’t approve of forced pregnancy under any circumstances. But that “PBA” ruling is so utterly cruel I have a hard time processing it.

53. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

I wrote extensively on how Clinton’s (Bill) Banking Reforms 10 years ago are directly related to the subprime meltdown today … and still NO ONE is making the connection… which is why I have already said MANY times that this election is a farce.

I asked you before when you stated that and I’ll ask you again because I didn’t see your answer to it if you posted one: who is “NO ONE”? No one here? No one is the MSM? Who? Because if that’s about people who comment here I can tell you that this place is where I learned about that – the glass whatever act etc. (bad memory) and it wasn’t only you that was talking about it, so I have no idea who you’re referring to.

As for the southern strategy, I don’t talk about things I don’t know much about and that’s one of them. I try to learn about those kinds of things here.

let’s just agree to ignore one another.

I’d suggest that you ignore me if you think I’m so full of shit but I’m not going to stop myself from commenting on what you post. Why should I?

54. marisacat - 2 February 2008


yes cruel is the word. The candidates all upchucked a pro forma, hold the wimmens vote comment at the ruling. But none has made an issue of what happened at the ruling, a medical procedure was federally banned. The pro life know that it puts a huge chill and a very dark cloud over antying but simple uncomplicated first term abortion.

But no matter who is the nom, if up against mcCain, ‘protecting the right to choose’ will mined, yet again.

55. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

Ooooo….ahhhhh…C-SPAN has a nouveau look. (I was checking to see if they have coverage of that youth event).

56. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

Who would Jesus shoot?

What an odd way to begin a news story:

BOISE, Idaho – Democratic Sen. Barack Obama assured Western voters Saturday he believes in Jesus as well as the rights of gun owners.

57. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

Ron Paul on MTV – answering questions from a student audience, via satellite – definitely not doing the GOP any favors! But unclear if he’s doing all that well for himself, either.

Presumably Hill or Obama will be up in a few.

58. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

57. Thanks. I don’t get MTV. I’m of the “music videos killed imagination” generation.

59. Gayle - 2 February 2008

“But none has made an issue of what happened at the ruling, a medical procedure was federally banned.”

And what happens to women who need this procedure? They get the option of a far more dangerous alternative. For the moment. . .

I’m sure the “scrambled fetus” argument will rear its ugly head, once again. Next stop, no late term abortions, period. Women will die for non-viable pregnancies.

If I wasn’t already so cynical, I wouldn’t believe it.

60. Gayle - 2 February 2008


I have to admit that diary gave me a much needed laugh.

“I don’t know who the fuck you are, what you represent, or how you expect to ever have anyone’s respect but the person sitting next to you.

You disgust me. I hate you. You make me sick.”

61. marisacat - 2 February 2008

plus moiv has stated that dilation and extraction is used for mid term. I think all parties are happy to let the idea slip into focus that this is used exclusively fro late term and, unspoken but allowed to drift in the air, elective late term (whihc is not protected under Roe, as I recall).

It really does sytmie the doctors in providing the best care. WHen Clinton veto’d the earlier “PBA” in ugh… think it was ’97… the stories then before congress from women needing the procedure were horrific. Same stories now.

Major linchpin to killing off abortion. Leave Roe up, make it too tough to offer a full service care to women.

The government is fully between women and their doctor, no question.

62. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

Oh wait…I just discovered that I do get MTV, lol, but it’s the Canadian version. Learn something new every day!

63. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

60. Well, if you’re going to go out, might as well do it in a blaze of glory! 🙂

And the funny thing is that these recent GBCW diaries are getting a lot of nods instead of just recipes and inane chatter lately.

64. marisacat - 2 February 2008

ugh dying for non viable pregnancies.

moiv has horror stories from teh present tense in TX>

a baby dies, and no hosptial will extract it. They send women home… or some will refer them to an abortion clinic.

It really is dire. Everyone should get decent medical care, appropriate to the illness disease accident or need.

65. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2008

Media’s Report on ‘Mentally Disabled” Iraqi Suicide Bombers Now Questioned

It turns out on the following day, that the evidence for the mentally disabled part was that one of the alleged bombers’ head recovered after the blast was deformed, suggesting Down’s syndrome. Now the AP and The New York Times point out that the severed head may have merely been deformed by the blast.

Also, McClatchy’s crack Baghdad bureau now reports that Iraqi officials “have made similar claims in the past” about mentally crippled bombers — and a police official told them “that authorities were still investigating whether the explosion at the second market might have come from a bomb hidden in a cage or a box of eggs.”

66. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

a baby dies, and no hosptial will extract it.

That’s absolutely horrendous.

65. Thanks for posting that. I was wondering about the truth of that story.

67. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2008


Ralph DiGia, World War II conscientious objector, lifelong pacifist and social justice activist, and staffer for 52 years at the War Resisters League (WRL), died February 1 in New York City. He was 93.

DiGia was “without pretensions, one who wore his radicalism in his life, not on his sleeve,” said his long-time WRL colleague David McReynolds.

In addition to his decades at WRL, DiGia’s activism took him through countless arrests and a stretch in federal prison, thousands of meetings and hundreds of demonstrations, hunger strikes, a bicycle ride across Europe, relief work in Bosnia, and not a few New York Mets baseball games.

68. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2008

I was wondering about the truth of that story.

My default position is to believe nothing our gov’t or its puppets say as a default position until I see it go unchallenged for at least a month in multiple international presses. These days, most of the bullshit gets debunked within a week, if you look for it.

69. marisacat - 2 February 2008

I heard an ITV report the day of the bombs that questioned it immediately.

They provided on site eye witness report. One person had seen one of the women, acting noramlly leading a child to the market.

After the lbase he saw her head decapitated, for me it immediately raised the truth v propaganda of the story.

What did anyone really know.

And Condi et al jsut lvoed to jump on the retarded as tools for the AQ story. Oh and SUlly too. He luved that one. The immense “evil” of the “islamofaschits” Do people hear themselves? WE INVADED.


70. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

catnip – Ha! Had to fumble around for 10 minutes and consult a printed list to figure out what channel MTV was, myself.

Gayle – The tags to that GBCW were as uncluttered as the sentiments it conveyed. LOL. contempt, GBCW, ego masturbation . Thanks for sharing the loathing!

Regarding the ob/gyn state of the nation, I’m very alarmed at all the fuzzy thinking out there about that maverick mother-lover McCain.

BTW – I missed most of Huckabee, so I don’t know if he got quizzed on reproductive health, but Ron Paul completely brushed off a young woman’s question about lowering the high price of birth control pills for students, saying that he certainly wouldn’t do it by taking money from anybody else! Then launched into a discussion of the dollar and wound his way into the Federal Reserve and all the rest. I think his only further response to her actual question – or even the topic of health care, let alone contraceptives – was some vague and perfunctory reference to “these products” or “people who are interested in them.” Not 30 seconds later he was touting his appeal to young people as “freedom, freedom, freedom!”


Obama did predictably well. No abortion questions, I think, just gay marriage.

Hillary’s winding up now.

Here’s the online info – apparently there are instant-voting options, widgets, etc., and presumably they’ll archive the clips:

WHERE — Streamed live on MTV and online on MySpace
(http://www.myspace.com/election2008) and MTV’s
— Broadcast live on MTV, MTV2, and MTV Tr3s, with highlights on
college network mtvU
— Distributed live to the Associated Press Online Video Network,
encompassing more than 1,800 media sites with an aggregate reach
of 61 million unique visitors — and nearly 600 local media
outlets in Super Tuesday states
— Streamed live on Charter.net
— Streamed live on mobile devices via MTV Mobile
— Broadcast live on radio via XM Satellite Radio, MTV, and AP Radio
— Translated into Spanish and broadcast on ImpreMedia’s LaVibra
— Shown on MTV 44 1/2, MTV’s hi-definition screen in Times Square
— Live studio audience participating at MTV’s Times Square studio

71. Gayle - 2 February 2008

“a baby dies, and no hosptial will extract it. They send women home… or some will refer them to an abortion clinic.”

It’s painful for me to read this. I just deleted a comment about my own experience because I figured it was TMI.

In short, I had a baby die in utero a few years back. They took me into surgery and it ended there. I can’t imagine what it would have been like to have my doctor send me home to wait for a miscarriage. I can’t imagine being turned away or sent elsewhere when I was so vulnerable.

Yes, too much information, but there it is. People need to understand pregnancy is not always easy. Sometimes things go wrong.

This affects people. It affects real people in their very real lives. How dare they treat it like a political game.

72. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

Another mall shooting – 5 dead in Chicago (and it wasn’t adone by al Qaeda)

73. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

Yeah, thanks for the update on that bombing. The mentally disabled women story was flying so fast it was reminding me of the the terrorist passports wafting down from the WTC a few years back.

A month of international press is a decent rule of thumb.

Speaking of mass killings, there’s another strip mall shooting manhunt underway, near Chicago. Five women dead in a Lane Bryant store.

74. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

People need to understand pregnancy is not always easy. Sometimes things go wrong.

Condolences to you and to so many.

This affects people. It affects real people in their very real lives. How dare they treat it like a political game.

Well said.

75. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2008

Christian Right Gets Its Way: “In God We Trust” Will Have Prominence on New Coin

Responding to complaints from the Religious Right, Congress has passed legislation mandating that the phrase “In God We Trust” be moved from the edge to the back or front of the new presidential dollar coins.

President George W. Bush signed the measure into law Dec. 26. It was tucked into a $555 billion domestic spending bill after having been pushed by U.S. Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.). Brownback and other Religious Right conservatives have been complaining about the new coins since the series started last year.

The U.S. Mint has been releasing gold-colored dollars honoring each non-living U.S. president. Four coins are released per year. The first four coins, honoring George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, were issued in 2007.

Under a mandate from Congress, the Mint was required to place the national mottos “In God We Trust” and “E Pluribus Unum” along the edge of the coins. The idea was to allow for more dramatic portraits on the obverses of the coins and better art elements on the reverses.

But many in the Religious Right went ballistic after a batch of coins was inadvertently produced without the mottos on the edge. They also complained that the words were hard to read and that they would wear off over time. [snip]

Although there was never any evidence that the Mint was considering removing the motto, many Religious Right activists insisted that relegating “In God We Trust” to the edge of the coins was some kind of nefarious plot to ditch the phrase altogether.

“I certainly can’t imagine growing up in a country and under a government that is atheistic and denies the existence and dependence upon God,” said Dave Stotts, who hosts a program for Focus on the Family called “Drive Thru History.”

Stotts and other motto boosters fail to note that the phrase did not appear on coins until 1864. The motto was stamped on coinage after a Pennsylvania pastor suggested it to the Mint, arguing that the Civil War was a punishment from God.

76. marisacat - 2 February 2008

Oh Ron Paul is just so CUUUUTE. I love him.

Such a bastard.


Oh Gayle don’t worry about TMI… and it is the politcal game, that is the other horror.

They ALL have reduced it over adn voer to a convoluted, hidden inside the maze game.

Find the woman – throw her out, find the foetus, kiss it to death. When it dies however it dies, blame the woman. Whereever she is.

The federal ban (and I maintain we are living under FUCKED PROHIBITIONISTS, of all kinds) criminalises doctors.

IMO Huck, Ron Paul and McCain would all move slowly to criminalise owmen, whatever they say now (hey they lie, upside down and rightside up).

And why not, you criminalise one, hey do both.

I really think they want to go back, fully to the old days. AND ban BC, esp Plan B.

One reason RP was so cavalier. And anyone who thinks he is not at the forefront, getting info every day from the pro life hard core, is a fucking fool.

The real objective, IMO, is Griswold because from what I read, inside Griswold is some guarantee of privacy. It opened birth control purchase to married couples. DUE TO THEIR PRIVACY.

The government I think needs to get rid of Griswold. However long it takes.

77. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2008

tie their wrists together and give them knives!

On the trail, Bill Clinton links Ted Kennedy and Bush

78. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2008

yup, Griswold is the eventual target

79. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2008

The “unemployment rate” myth

Note that the article, while mentioning rising prices, doesn’t actually quantify the “inflation rate,” That’s because the “core inflation rate” is just as anti-worker as the “unemployment rate” in that it excludes the cost of food and energy, two of the three major things (housing being the third) that workers spend their money on. And note the implicit pejorative tone of the phrase “workers may feel like their paychecks aren’t stretching as far.” No, their paychecks aren’t stretching as far. There’s no “feeling” about it.

80. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

Griswold (v. Connecticut) needs an Oprah.

81. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2008


And then comes the Democratic response from Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius.

Sebelius: I’m a Democrat, but that doesn’t matter tonight. The fact that you’re tuning in suggests that you’re

Oh, Jebus. Pause, while I roll my eyes and reach for the Fwow Up Bag.

Sebelius: I will now detour from the traditional “partisan” response and give an “American” response.

Sebelius: We’re fucked, people! We have to do something! And a temporary fix is not enough. We need to get Real Results.

Sebelius: The Democratic Majority has begun to move us in the right direction , so Mr. President how about you join us? A Majority are ready to pass SCHIP. So how about it, Mr. Preznit? Won’t you join us and help the lil’ chilluns?

driftglass: No, he will he will not do these things because he does not believe government should do these things. What, have you been passed out drunk in the Little Centrist’s Room for the last 20 year?

Sebelius: The New Democratic Majority are ready…if only our Republican Congressional colleagues would stop behaving like assholes and join us.

Sebelius: I know Gummint can work to benefit the People.

driftglass: Are you high? Don’t you read…anything? GOP 101 is that Gummint is Evil. Except when it is bombing scary brown people to atoms. And stuffing Bibles in lady’s vaginas like they’re Gideons stocking motel room drawers.

Sebelius: A new American Majority is ready to share a belief in something greater that ourselves. Not just the individual good, but the Common Good.

driftglass: Excuse me but who put this stupid bint on my teevee? Yes, Governor Non-Partisan, you are right. There is New American Majority. It even has a name. We are called Liberals. We have been around forever, and we have always been the Majority.

And the people you are so sweetly asking you to join us have risen to power almost entirely on the basis of referring to this “Majority” as traitors and any talk of the your beloved Common Good as pure Devil Communism.

This side of the grave there is no reasoning with these people. They’re not merely irrational, hateful and fact-impervious, but they are proudly irrational, proudly hateful and proudly fact-impervious.

You do not get rid of a rabid dog running wild in the public square by playing kissy face with it.

Or don’t they teach things like that in the Kansas public school system?

82. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2008
83. Howard Carter - 2 February 2008

Did somebody ask for a Rosetta Stone?


The data are there, but not always easily extracted.

84. marisacat - 2 February 2008


ACORN, of course… thank you….

I will let ms x know about the posts from IB and this one too.


85. marisacat - 2 February 2008


and won’t be getting one.

The price (meaning long term cost) of much less subsidized BC at campus clinics is ratcheting up…….. Achtung! Not for Mis Oprah tho. Let’s talk about censoring rappers (I did catch her series of programs on that … ).

so it goes. She plays it safe.

86. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2008

Play spot and name the celebrities in this hipster Obama music video.

87. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2008

Quote of the Day

“If you’ve got a Hillary and McCain race, you’ve got a third option: That’s the pistol on the bed table.”

— Pat Buchanan on MSNBC.

88. Howard Carter - 2 February 2008

Yet more sources:

Excellent article from The Economist:


(Did you know that if the bank repossesses your home and you owe more than it’s worth, you can be charged for tax on the difference if the bank forgives that debt??? If you owe $500,000 on a home and it’s worth $400,000 and the bank takes the home back without demanding the $100,000 difference, you owe the IRS tax on that $100,000.)

Amazingly enough, CNN has a solid piece on the housing crisis:


The BBC have:

1. A timetable of the subprime crisis


2. A Guide for Absolute Beginners:


3. My favorite, The US Subprime Crisis in Graphics:


Got to have illustrations.

#3 is well worth a look even if your brain is already fried from trying to understand it all.

89. Howard Carter - 2 February 2008

Ms. Xeno might find these two links from the BBC useful, as they provide interactive maps in which you can see foreclosures by income level, ethnic (the housing crisis is hitting black Americans like a bomb), etc.:



Meh, that’s enough, I think.

90. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

What, have you been passed out drunk in the Little Centrist’s Room for the last 20 year?

That cracked me up.

Yeah, Oprah plays it safe. Hasn’t she been making millions selling tiny sips of delicious, nutritious, VERY slightly XTC-laced, there-there-now, wakey-wake syrup to all the people passed out drunk in the Little Centrist’s Room for the last ten years, at least? With missionary forays to Springerworld and Fundieland?

Not unlike Humboldt County and its business concerns.

91. marisacat - 2 February 2008

ROMNEY wins…………..Maine!!

92. bayprairie - 2 February 2008

Democratic Sen. Barack Obama assured Western voters Saturday he believes in Jesus as well as the rights of gun owners.

that tilts my machine. game ovah!

he should change his name to gomer. that might help.

93. marisacat - 2 February 2008


yes think the game is to keep the wimmens nodding, but not noticing they have nodded off, during the day.

She is on right before my local ABC news, so I often catch the last mins.

I DO remember a bit more courage years ago… she had a genuinely interesting show in the wake of Columbine.

A long time ago.

94. ms_xeno - 2 February 2008

Wow. This is going to be more than just a predatory loan “cheat sheet.” It’s going to be a cheater’s encyclopedia !

Thanks, IB, Mcat, Carter. Macaroons all around ! 8)

I guess I know what my next LJ entry will be about.

But first, dinner and a coupla’ margaritas. W/fresh limes. None of that crappy “mix,” damnit.

95. bayprairie - 2 February 2008

Yes, too much information, but there it is.

no. thank you for being so open. you’ve walked the mile, you understand these issues. if this country was really righteous it would be using guidance of women such as yourself as a guide.

not the calculations of some worthless piece of shit politicans.

its horrid what the worthless piece of shit politicans are doing to medical care in order to score cheap points with unthinking baptist-like males. in reality they outlaw a safe, and necessary procedure. the political males have decided to play football with it. the law is harrassment against women and their health care providers, pure and simple.

and its the most hateful kind. fuck them all.

96. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

that tilts my machine. game ovah!


97. Gayle - 2 February 2008

Thanks bayprairie, and Marisa, and IB,

I’m not looking for sympathy for myself. I’m one of the lucky ones. I fear for women going through what I went through–and worse! –now and in the future. Basic medical intervention should be a matter of principle.

“the law is harrassment against women and their health care providers, pure and simple.”

Yes, I’d say this is true.

“its horrid what the worthless piece of shit politicans are doing to medical care in order to score cheap points with unthinking baptist-like males.”

Yes! That too!

98. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

the law is harrassment against women and their health care providers, pure and simple.

and its the most hateful kind. fuck them all.

No chance of R, or O, or F, or L. Not laughing at all.

Every grown woman I know has a story. And every sentient man. If not their own tale of the troubles, then that of someone near and dear.

Humans put the literal man on the moon loooooong before they sorted out reproduction. And they still want to make it someone else’s business or religion before they do.


Macaroons all around !

I knew baked goods would be involved. (Way to go, Howard Carter – collective rewards!)

But first, dinner and a coupla’ margaritas. W/fresh limes.

ms x – dangerous lifestyle guru. And multiple-party supporter!

‘Night all. Thanks as always for the scintillating conversation and links.

99. ms_xeno - 2 February 2008

I can’t wait for menopause. Everyone will be invited to the party in honor thereof. Donkey and Elephant pinatas will both be given equal beatings. But instead of candy being removed, the ritual will culminate with us stuffing pretend dead fetuses inside them and asking them if that won’t make for a fun couple of months.


100. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008


Apparently it takes teams of WordPress horses to restrain even a gentle, moderate “Good Night.”

(Suitable smiley-face here!)

101. Madman in the Marketplace - 2 February 2008

like these, ms. x?

102. Intermittent Bystander - 2 February 2008

Shit, Madman – I clicked on the link expecting macaroons.

Lovely yellow ribbon, though.

Help me, WordPress! I am spam!

103. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

Not TMI for me either, Gayle.

I can’t imagine what it would have been like to have my doctor send me home to wait for a miscarriage. I can’t imagine being turned away or sent elsewhere when I was so vulnerable.

That says it all. It’s cruel and inhumane.

104. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

like these, ms. x?

That’s disgusting. If Hamas or Hezbollah produced those you can just imagine the outrage.

105. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

I watched this Howard Dean interview with Reuters earlier and was shocked to hear him say that the upcoming rebates would be a good thing because the poor would have to spend them immediately since they’re already so short of money. That’s “liberal”? Using the poor to prop up the economy while those who make more can stash away their cash?

I also noted that he said the Dems are getting a lot more money from Wall St and CEOs. That’s something to be proud of? I don’t know how or if that money makes its way to the candidates but when they both speak of not being beholden to “special interests”, I’d say that’s way off the mark. (Not that I didn’t know that already.)

106. ms_xeno - 2 February 2008

Madman, that’s just beautiful.

I’m 99% sure that I will feel the same way tomorrow morning when the margaritas have worn off.


107. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

Detroit’s mayor behaving badly – in a sex scandal.

108. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008
109. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

Bring out the Eisenhowers now: Why I’m Backing Obama By Susan Eisenhower. Who’s next? Lincoln’s relatives?

110. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

And Ms Eisenhower lost me in the first paragraph:

orty-seven years ago, my grandfather Dwight D. Eisenhower bid farewell to a nation he had served for more than five decades. In his televised address, Ike famously coined the term “military-industrial complex,” and he offered advice that is still relevant today. “As we peer into society’s future,” he said, we “must avoid the impulse to live only for today, plundering, for our own ease and convenience, the precious resources of tomorrow. We cannot mortgage the material assets of our grandchildren without risking the loss also of their political and spiritual heritage. We want democracy to survive for all generations to come, not to become the insolvent phantom of tomorrow.”

She does know that Obama wants to expand the military, right?

111. wu ming - 2 February 2008

i had a coworker in taiwan several years ago, a korean-american woman who had married a taiwanese guy. she got pregnant before the wedding, but when the doctor discovered it was stillborn, he told the husband but not the wife, because “it would upset her before the wedding banquet.” so they let that thing sit inside of her for weeks, making her sick, so that the fucking ceremony would go off smoothly. then they “discovered” it after the banquet, and she had an abortion.

made a deep impression on me. so many fucked up people out there, placing bullshit trivial stuff over the lives of human fucking beings.

112. marisacat - 2 February 2008


apologies… just got the “goodnight” out of moderation.

Off to check spam.


113. marisacat - 2 February 2008

found madman in spam…


114. marisacat - 2 February 2008

what an awful story, wu ming.



Just let a comment of Madman’s, a great quote from Buchanan, out of Spam and don’t see it in the thread.

sigh… it was vitnage Buchanan… that if these are our noms, both sides, go for the pistol (as in “shoot me now!”).

WP is manic.

115. marisacat - 2 February 2008


that is why (and s o m e Democrats HAVE mentioned various stimulous that shoudl be added to the bill or pumped out separately, but hey it is an election year) there needed to be so much more…

A jobs bill

expansion of Unemplpoyment Ins

Expand Food Stamps (R Mid West farmers benefit from this as well, nobody likes to mention this)

AND A BIG stimulous bill to the states, all of whom are being forced to cut backs.

Ours are something like 7 – 10% cutbacks across the board.

And whether a cap on income or not, but more rebate checks to more people. Seniors as well as disabled vets.

… but it will all drain away. There might be some small second stimulous package, but somehow between noodle knee’d no spine no neck Dems and Bush, it will be on the cutting room floor of life.

That’s my guess, at least.

116. wu ming - 2 February 2008

and there’s where the breadline riots will grow out of.

117. marisacat - 2 February 2008

well whoops. Obama and the nuclear industry at home in Ill.

That is why I hate dumb things like congressional vote punch cards, the one being used right now to call Obama Liberal (what a joke). Which is just an election hook, in both directions. LOL. The real nitty gritty is behind the votes, in the ever weakened bills, to suit industry. In the nasty vote trading and deal making. In the petty personal feuds… etc.

But not exactly noooooooooooz.

118. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008


The campaign did not directly address the question of why Mr. Obama had told Iowa voters that the legislation had passed.

Outright lie or just political fluffery? You decide. Didn’t he or his campaign advisors think that someone might catch on?

119. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

(and s o m e Democrats HAVE mentioned various stimulous that shoudl be added to the bill or pumped out separately,

Like that’s going to happen? They’ll be too busy voting for more war money.

120. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

And speaking of the fact that war contractors are so hard to fire, do either Clinton or Obama have a position about them? Nice to hear rah rah we’re bring the troops home (whenever) but what about the mercenaries? And why doesn’t the MSM ask them about that during the debates? (rhetorical question, of course)

121. liberalcatnip - 2 February 2008

Btw, for anyone who missed it, Bill Moyers had a good interview with Henry Waxman on Friday nite’s show.

122. BooHooHooMan - 2 February 2008

The money quote from the Obama Nukey Dukey Two Step in NYT

A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators.

I have positively plenty …..of negativity to go around.

Despite the Slogan:::::

“Hope we can Believe in for a Change this Time Really Not Kidding, Really Mean It, , Got- chyer-Back-Keep- Hope-Alive-Serious, Promise, Really…..”

The record is out there on all of these sell out motherfuckers…

What? Jaded? Me?……?The slogan was shortened ’cause of
the unwieldy bumper sticker angle? Oh thank goodness….

123. bayprairie - 2 February 2008

On March 1, Mr. Obama introduced a bill known as the Nuclear Release Notice Act of 2006. It stated flatly that nuclear plants (including Exelon) “shall immediately” notify federal, state and local officials of any accidental release of radioactive material that exceeded “allowable limits for normal operation.”


But eventually, Mr. Obama agreed to rewrite the bill, and when the environment committee approved it in September 2006, he and his co-sponsors hailed it as a victory.

In interviews over the past two weeks, Obama aides insisted that the revisions did not substantively alter the bill. In fact, it was left drastically different.

In place of the straightforward reporting requirements was new language giving the nuclear commission two years to come up with its own regulations. The bill said that the commission “shall consider” — not require — immediate public notification, and also take into account the findings of a task force it set up to study the tritium leaks.

just another smooth talking lying piece of shit politican. man of the people in public. hush mouth brother with the hands out and the wallet open in the back room.

Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.

124. liberalcatnip - 3 February 2008

What? Jaded? Me?

I was thinking after I read that and wrote my comment that I’ve become so bloody cycnical it’s a wonder I actually get out of bed in the morning.

I popped over to dkos to see what the damage was around this story. Crickets chirped and then I heard a noticeable “GULP”.

125. liberalcatnip - 3 February 2008

And this?

In addition, Mr. Obama’s chief political strategist, David Axelrod, has worked as a consultant to Exelon. A spokeswoman for Exelon said Mr. Axelrod’s company had helped an Exelon subsidiary, Commonwealth Edison, with communications strategy periodically since 2002, but had no involvement in the leak controversy or other nuclear issues.

I mean…c’mon now…

126. marisacat - 3 February 2008


Daily tracking poll from Rasmussen. Current final shows 45/37 up from 43/37 the day before.

May belie the idea of a obama national surge (not sure this matters, frankly). It certainly narrowed, but what is it doing now…..


Gallup tracking.

The gap between Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama remains in the single digits. In the most recent tracking period, Clinton holds a seven-point lead over Obama among Democratic primary voters nationwide, 48% vs. 41%. This is up from three- to four-point leads Clinton had the previous two days, but it is still a much closer race than a week ago when Clinton led Obama by 15 points. — Lydia Saad

I think if this keeps up, and anything more than the numerical date on a page gives me a fuckign headache, that the case (made by some) for Edwards votes going to Obama almost exclusively, starts to die.

127. liberalcatnip - 3 February 2008

Oh, looks like I was wrong: must.hide.the.truth.

Obama bought by Exelon (1+ / 2-)

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* [new] Nothing in that article suggests he was “bought” (1+ / 0-)

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The nickname says it all.

128. bayprairie - 3 February 2008

i’m going to spend a limited portion of my allotment of hope on this family

A few days later, tritium was detected in a drinking water well at a home near the plant, although the levels did not exceed federal safety

none left for any politician.

129. liberalcatnip - 3 February 2008

WaPo has them tied.

I’m calling so-called super Tuesday for Hillary. But then, there’s still a problem with the delegate count not actually choosing a winner, isn’t there? Fuzzy math and super delegates and all that?

130. liberalcatnip - 3 February 2008

Aha! I found a dkos diary about nuclear Obama. Needless to say, it did not make the rec list. The comments are quite the show. Popcorn!

131. BooHooHooMan - 3 February 2008

In happier news, a week long strike was settled wherein a 17 year old Senior in High School IS speaking to her father while reserving all rolling eyeball rights…..As part of the settlement, The teenager has agreed to disavow any future Federal Election Commission Complaints against father while retaining her right to vote Democratic in her first election

Negotiations continue on other fronts….LOL.

132. marisacat - 3 February 2008

Chuck Todd said it might be a razor thin margin.

I have no idea at all. I have gone back and forth thinking she takes it, he takes it.

I had to fish around a bit but I came up with a couple reports (one “sparse” attendance, another giving a count “1200”) indicating less than ecstatic turn out for Ted in East LA, think it ws a Friday am he did there.

Hard to say the effect of all the fluffing til it is over.

One thing that seems to leak thru all the reports, at some point, Obama camp did not make a concerted ground effort for Latino votes out here til too late.

Not sure why that may be, they surely had the money and knew CA mattered… but it might be (just might, I hve no real idea) a real hinge in teh deal.

I have no idea w/r/t Tuesday. She seems to hve the advantage. But……………..

133. BooHooHooMan - 3 February 2008

Mcat, –what’s your read in Cali????

134. BooHooHooMan - 3 February 2008

I Prepared the comment while you were posting, I see Obama camp did not make a concerted ground effort for Latino votes out here til too late.

135. marisacat - 3 February 2008



are you breathing a sigh of relief..??

136. liberalcatnip - 3 February 2008

Good news: Lifeline for Pervez: Afghan Senate withdraws demand for death sentence

In a dramatic volte-face, the Afghan Senate has withdrawn its confirmation of a death sentence on Sayed Pervez Kambaksh, the student convicted of blasphemy for downloading a report on women’s rights from the internet.

137. BooHooHooMan - 3 February 2008

Re striking teenager…are you breathing a sigh of relief.

While I can, while I can….LOL

138. liberalcatnip - 3 February 2008

lol… (I was just over there reading the Afghanistan story and noticed the headline about Obama and Latinos).

Two days to go before the onslaught of Super Tuesday and Barack Obama’s campaign has suddenly gone Spanish.

“Si se puede, si se puede!” the candidate chanted to introduce himself at a town hall meeting at Los Angeles technical college – echoing the famous farmworkers’ union slogan from the 1960s and 1970s: “Yes we can!”

Just 24 hours later, Senator Obama’s surrogate, Senator Ted Kennedy, was mangling Spanish at another heavily Latino college in California: “Un voto por Obama es un voto para la gente!” A vote for Obama is a vote for the people.

139. liberalcatnip - 3 February 2008

I am SO glad my days as the mother of a teenager are long past.


140. marisacat - 3 February 2008


yeah it boggles the mind. And in retrospect the NV effort seems to have been a hodge podge. Maybe too much reliance on Culinary. Which could not deliver…

Not sure.

It DID seem clear to me that the Kennedys entered for two reasons… to assuage whatever pique agaisnt the Clintons (love this endless Capulet and Montague, Ma and Pa Clampet we are forced into) AND to try to massage what I suspect were some frightening low numbers in the voter groups they think they can control.

Many years ago the Kennedys held a big interest as an investment family in the Chicago merch Mart… how deep their Illinois money game goes, I have no idea.

I say let the two canddiate win or lose… but I would be DELIGHTED to see the Kennedy mystique circle the drain. The Rbt Kennedy Jr ad (Hillary is the voice for the voiceless or some such shit) is as offensive as the old harridan Teddy sweating and straining out yet another pull the wool over their eyes.

141. BooHooHooMan - 3 February 2008

Hmmm…Let me get this straight…..
A few days ago, the NYT has a FP piece where Bill brokers a Kazakhstan uranium deal to turn A HillBill Bud’s shell company into one of the worlds largest uranium producers for nuclear reactors….
Bill gets a $131 Million into his semi-audited Foundation from the guy, Frank Giustra…who then dumps the stock in the start-up for $3 BILLION Dollars….

Now Obam is shown shillin for the nuke industry too….

Duelling hit pieces? After the kiss-kiss at the Cali Debate???…
Hardly. They’re BOTH TOOLS. Their decendents will be sleeping on mattresses made of money for generations.

142. liberalcatnip - 3 February 2008

Well, like our hostess says: “All you can do is laugh…”

143. liberalcatnip - 3 February 2008

I guess the bleeding hasn’t stopped yet: It’s “Blogroll Amnesty & Blogroll Bloodbath Anniversary Remembrance Day” over at MLW brought to you by MSOC.

Ironically, I don’t see my blog listed on her blogroll anymore. (mind you, it’s late and she’s got a ton of blogs listed there.)

144. BooHooHooMan - 3 February 2008
145. marisacat - 3 February 2008

is she lacking for current major crises?

146. marisacat - 3 February 2008


thanks for th Zogby… I was just at RCP and latest they had for Cal was the Rasmussen of the 29th.

147. marisacat - 3 February 2008

from the Reuters on teh Zogby poll:

In California, the poll found Obama led Clinton by 45 percent to 41 percent, with a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points. Clinton held statistically insignificant 1-point leads on Obama in New Jersey and Missouri, well within the margin of error of 3.4 percentage points in both surveys.

Both candidates have established a strong base of support and are holding on to it ahead of Tuesday’s voting, the poll found. Clinton leads among women, Hispanics and elderly voters. Obama leads among blacks, men and young voters.

“They are running very close, essentially evenly split, among most of the rest of the sub-groups,” Zogby said. “It is a very tight, very contested race on almost every level.”

148. wu ming - 3 February 2008

i don’t think they’ll get a bead on the polling in CA. far too many people are still muddling it out, and noone’s got a clue on what turnout will be like, and how it’ll be distributed. a lot of people that i’ve spoken to seem positively surprised that the race has even made it here, and were asking me how to find out their positions on issues.

totally up in the air.

149. wu ming - 3 February 2008

and that’s not even getting into the delegates-by-district madness.

150. D. Throat - 3 February 2008

Hmmm… Looks like Georgia and South Carolina will definitely be in play for the general… I guess Schaller won’t be able to sell many more books extolling the virtues of bypassing the south is Black voters

151. D. Throat - 3 February 2008

LOL too funny from myDD:

it’s hard not to conclude that so too has the progressive blogosphere been taken in, as they have to a large degree annointed the less progressive and the less overtly partisan candidate as their own, thus giving up two fights that once were central to the movement’s raison d’etre. What’s been quite amusing in the wake of the embrace of Obama by the wine-track progressives is to watch them bend over backwards to justify things Obama says or does, from his was-it-or-wasn’t-it praise of Ronald Reagan to his less than progressive policy positions on several issues.

IIRC weren’t these the same White Boyz that supported Kaine, Webb, Tester, Casey, Salazar, Lieberman (Bowers said he was a genius for taking away the Dems right to fulibuster the SCOTUS candidates), Herseth, etc. etc. etc.

I know that this is not popular here but I do see collateral advantages to Obama over Hilary… the big one recently that no one is talking about is the dismantling of the Southern Strategy that the DLC and the Clintons have propped up for the past 20 years. Obama is leading in Idaho and Utah for goodness sakes… the collateral advantages to putting to rest the Democratic myth that politicians of color must be segregated to “liberal” enclaves. Besides Donna (what’s her name) the White Boyz refused to support African American candidates… based on that myth. Obama didn’t even make it to the “Kos Dozen” back in his senate run…

152. D. Throat - 3 February 2008

Question: How does one find specific posts from previous threads?

I want to add on to Clintons’s banking reform comments… iirc the Depression era acts that Bill repealed had to do with breaking up not only Banks from Brokerage houses but also Insurance companies. I vaguely recall during my research the fear that insurance companies owned by banks could therefore impinge on peoples privacy (medical records) in evaluating financial transactions.

So, it may not be a benign as Hil suggest to force all Americans handover their information to a private Insurance company that is also owned by bank.

153. marisacat - 3 February 2008

SF Gate quotes latest Field poll

But the Democratic numbers are the shocker. Clinton, a longtime California favorite, saw her once-commanding lead slip to two percentage points, 36 to 34 percent, in the new survey. That’s down from the New York senator’s 12 percentage point lead in mid-January and a 25 percentage point margin over Obama in October.

But with 18 percent of Democratic voters still undecided just days before Tuesday’s primary, the election is still up for grabs, said Mark DiCamillo, the poll’s director.

“It’s an unusually volatile election, with a very high number of undecided voters and so many moving parts,” he said. “It could be a very, very close election.”

The head-to-head matchups between the Republican and Democratic candidates highlight both Clinton’s loosening hold on California voters and McCain’s growing strength in the state.

Clinton now clings to a bare 45 to 43 percent lead over McCain in a projected California presidential vote, down dramatically from her 17 percentage point margin just two weeks ago. Obama now holds a stronger 47 to 40 percent margin over the Arizona senator, but that’s only half the 14 percentage point advantage he had in mid-January.

Both Democrats still run well ahead of Romney, collecting more than 50 percent of the vote in those matchups.

Obama’s California campaign team said the latest polls reflect a hard-charging effort to track down potential voters in every precinct – undeterred by polls that showed the Illinois senator behind by double digits here for most of the race

154. marisacat - 3 February 2008


probably have to do a search thru google specific to the site.

Thee is a little search box at the top but I have never used it. I would doubt its capabilities.

If you are unsuccessful finding your comments thru google I can try to find your glass steagall comments thru the back pages, copy paste and send.

155. D. Throat - 3 February 2008

search thru google specific to the site.

yeah, that’s it. How to do that? I know there is a way to do this.. beacuse the google blog search tool doesn’t search comments..

156. D. Throat - 3 February 2008

This is interesting… Schaller on TPM defending abandoning the African American vote in the south:

2. Doesn’t a non-southern strategy abandon African-Americans, the most loyal of Democratic voters—and aren’t their votes sufficient to help Democrats win in the South?

The central—and sad—irony is that half of the nation’s African-American population lives in the South, the nation’s most conservative and Republican region. Their Democratic votes are cast proudly, yet usually in vain. Consider Mississippi, the blackest state in the union, with about 38 percent African Americans. If they vote 90 percent Democratic, as they did in the past two presidential cycles, that means Democratic nominees for president or statewide office start with about 33 percent of the statewide vote—or two-thirds of the way to the magical, 50-percent threshold. And yet look at the presidential results in MS, not to mention the state’s governor and two U.S. senators, who are among the most conservative Republicans you’ll find anywhere in the country. If one holds aside his home state of Texas, and maybe Florida and Louisiana, in general the blacker the state the larger the margins by which Bush won in 2004. And that’s because in the blacker Deep South states, whites vote Republican with a vengeance.

So the problem must be undermobilized southern African-Americans, right? Wrong. According to the Census Bureau, African Americans were 17.9 percent of the age-eligible population in the South in 2004 and they were 17.9 percent of the turned-out voters. (suspect: as stated in the NYT article about South Carolina: 500,000 eligible AA voters were not showing up to vote) It is outside the South where African Americans are undermobilized: just 8.4% of voters despite being 8.8% of age-eligible voters. Southern blacks turn out, vote loyally Democratic, and watch their votes rebuffed by overwhelming white Republican voting. George Bush (70%) and Ronald Reagan (71%) got basically the same percent of the southern white vote during their respective re-elections, and yet Bush won narrowly (51%-48%) while Reagan won in a landslide (59%-40%). The Democrats’ do not have a problem with mobilizing and winning minority voters, including African-Americans (about 90%), Native Americans (80%-90%), Latinos (60%, but an area of concern), and even Asian Americans (Clinton lost them by 25 points in ’92, but Kerry won them by 17 points). And guess what? Dems don’t have a white voter problem outside the South, either, where Gore won them and Kerry nearly did.

What Democrats have is a southern white voter problem. The gap between white northeastern votes and those of whites in the Midwest and Far West was much smaller (about 6% more Democratic) than the gap between southern whites and those of Midwestern and far western whites (about 13% more Republican). It is white southerners who are “out of the mainstream” of the white vote in the country, not the supposedly “out of touch, elite liberal” northeasterners. Don’t believe the Republican hype.


157. marisacat - 3 February 2008

well I thought if you go into ‘advanced search’, that is the way.

Do a word search, would be my guess…. Which ought to bring up your comments… when I so searches I certainly get comments that relate to the words I plug in… to the extent that it brings up messy non specific “stuff” that clutters up what I am hunting for… so comments must float, searchable.

Sorry, as I say over and over, I am nto a great googler. This has exhausted what little I know…

158. D. Throat - 3 February 2008


159. marisacat - 3 February 2008

well I always consdiered Schaller an asshole. And not politically astute.

It was he who posted a FP post at Dkos soft on torture, about two weeks after the Hersh Abu Ghraib and admitted he had not read the hersh piece.

Hard to get dumber, more fucked or more right (wing) was my view.

Hell whatshisname at the Comedy Show basically called him a Trojan hourse when he trotted out his numbskull southern strategy.

160. marisacat - 3 February 2008

New Thread:


161. Madman in the Marketplace - 3 February 2008

how deep their Illinois money game goes, I have no idea.

back to daddy Kennedy’s ties to the mob’s rum-running, I bet.

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