All you can do is laugh… 2 February 2008
Posted by marisacat in 2004 Election, 2006 Mid Terms, 2008 Election, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Israel/AIPAC, Lie Down Fall Down Dems, Pakistan, U.S. House, U.S. Senate, WAR!.trackback
They won’t be doing anything differently, come the Hosanna future that dawns post election… if you did not like the 110th but suffered on, remain bent over…
With a preponderance of attention being paid to the 2008 presidential campaign, the Senate races being waged during this cycle have gone largely ignored by the national media. Which is unfortunate because history is being made.
On Thursday, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee announced that it had raised $13.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2007, bringing its yearly total to $55.4 million. By comparison, the previous record for money raised in a year by the organization was $43.6 million in 2005.
“Every day there is more evidence that the American people are hungry for change and are looking to Democrats to provide it,” DSCC Chair, Sen. Chuck Schumer. “From successful fundraising and recruiting to record turnout in Democratic primaries, there is a wave building across the country, and with nine months to go until Election Day,
we could very well deliver lasting change.”
Try not to choke… try to swallow hard and know that Daddy Schumer (Chuck to his friends but not to you) loves you and wants what is best for you.
On the House side, the Democrats also find their coffers being stuffed. For the year, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee raised a record $67.5 million.
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In 2008 there are 12 Democratic Senators and 23 Republican who are either retiring or are up for reelection. Of those, according to the Cook Political Report, only two Democrats face any imminent danger, while 10 Republicans find themselves in electoral crosshairs. On the House side, meanwhile, there are ten Republican seats being vacated that are deemed “toss ups” in 2008. For the Democrats that number is zero.
“In the off year you have a few jobs: recruit candidates, retain incumbents and raise money,” Matt Miller, the DSCC’s spokesperson, told the Huffington Post. “We feel good about the off year we have and now that we are in an election year we have a map where there are a number of Republicans held seats where they are playing defense and really only one Democratic seat where they have a challenger.
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I read an interesting speculation, and that is all it was but I did pause, Chilliza in The Fix had a list of possible Veepessas for both Obama and Hillary.
One on Obama’s list was TIm Kaine, who supported him very early and iirc is a National Co-Chair. He is also up in 2009, VA governor is mandated one term…
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Dennis Perrin, a snip from a good post…
[W]hat if it’s McCain vs. Hillary in November? Oh man, that would be a blast to witness. Two nearly identical choices for imperial manager, the one slight difference being that McCain says he’s opposed to torture, while Hillary must wait to check wind velocity and direction. I can see the liberals twisting themselves into numerous knots trying to justify a Hillary vote over McCain, assuring each other that it’s the right thing to do, and of course reaching back to Bill’s criminal years for inspiration. You mules better hope that Saint Obama gets the nod instead. At least with him, the fantasy is easier to pull off. Change! Hope! Stardust! Ponies! If I ruled the world . . .
Funny thing is, not that long ago, McCain was the liberals’ favorite Republican, especially in comparison to the Bushes. His time in a North Vietnamese cell earned McCain a lot of guilt cred among Bill Clinton’s groupies, who felt bad backing a draft dodger over a POW. So, they tried to have it both ways: Clinton, Hero President; McCain, War Hero and All Around Good Guy.
I remember it all too well.
Don’t strain, they will be reminding us. Maybe Obama can send Kerry out to campaign against McCain. A sick nasty old man who could level Kerry wtih a glance. I don’t want to remember…
Here is a snip from Perrin recalling a night on Alan Colmes’ program in NYC, Perrin dared to remind three Clintonistas WHY McCain was in a POW cell in Vietnam:
At one point, Colmes … asked the panel if John McCain was a war hero. Bales puffed out his chest, tilted his head to the side, weighed the issue, then pronounced that, yes, McCain was indeed a war hero. Barrymore quickly chimed in, adding her assent, while Colmes breathlessly spoke of how honored he was to have personally met McCain and basked in his glow.
Then they all turned to me.
“Well,” I said, hesitating a moment, for I knew my answer would elicit some hostility, “I’m not sure how heroic it is to incinerate Vietnamese children.”
“OHHHHHHHHHH!!!!” was the collective reply.
Colmes told me I was tasteless. [Jaid] Barrymore said I should be ashamed of myself. Bales puffed out his chest yet again (he did this a lot during the three-hour show) and demanded to know whether I considered McCain a war criminal.
“No. Not personally. McCain didn’t create the policy. The war criminals were in Washington.”
Still, I added, that doesn’t exonerate McCain for dropping bombs on the Vietnamese.
“Oh!” squeaked Barrymore. “What should he have dropped instead — birthday presents?”
The slagging went on for a little while longer. Here I was, in the middle of three Clinton liberals, reminding them why McCain ended up in a POW cell. Not that I supported torture or reprisal beatings, but some context was in order. The Vietnamese didn’t sneak into the States and kidnap McCain from his snug bed. The three couldn’t care less. What’s more, they defended the U.S. bombing of Vietnam, at least so long as McCain was doing the killing. It was a handy reminder of how crazed liberals become when they taste a little blood.
So absolutely classic. A moment endlessly repeated thru time. I think Pakistan is clearly being skinned and de-feathered, to be presented to us as fine case for the “blooding of the president”, whomever, which ever it will be.
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This last… I bet it has McCain and the Republican machine slobbering at the bit. Kerry pulled that ‘first and foremost an Internationalist’ schtick as well.
Sorry, just don’t see new ideas from the Democratic party… not not… and more of not.
[oh right, necessary addenda: opposing Obama does not constitute supporting HIllary — I realise that is complicated, god knows why]
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They won’t be doing anything differently, come the Hosanna future that dawns post election… if you did not like the 110th but suffered on, remain bent over…-mcat
LOL…..”Oooch”?
Kind of like Where “ouch” meets “screw the pooch”….
Or “Scrooch”.
You know,-
Fucked like Scrooge, but with Poodle- cuddly friendliness….
Hopefully,… at best….
Mortifying most likely.
So absolutely classic. A moment endlessly repeated thru time. I think Pakistan is clearly being skinned and de-feathered, to be presented to us as fine case for the “blooding of the president”, whomever, which ever it will be.-mcat
We’re right up there with our ritual sacrifice( of others) , our savage, societal rite (and right) of political passage… Chilling.
You set me right up, BHHM – I knew there was a joke in here somewhere. Thanks!
(Photos from last weekend’s parade of the Mystic Krewe of Barkus. Today’s Mardi Gras parade coverage here.)
Conventional Wisdom Nov ’06: Pelosi and Reed will make a huge change!
Conventional Wisdom Feb ’08 Obama and Hillary will make a huge change!
Conventional Wisdom is certainly conventional and definitely unwise.
NPR does the nation a favor: Misperceptions About McCain’s Abortion Stance.
BTW – I think the Mystic Krewe of Barkus is trapped in spam.
Found the link to the veep piece you referenced:
I’m betting Sebelius, out of that list.
Good to be reminded of Perrin’s truth-telling and how it was received by Clinton liberals.
Bhhm, lol, ‘ouch’ indeed. Marisacat does have a way of saying what needs to be said. Easy to see why she made the poor little operators and fairy tale promoters at DK, very nervous.
Nancy looked at home actually at the SOTU next to Cheney (where has been?) and behind Bush. It was really quite sickening to see her jumping up at what she probably considered non-partisan ramblings from the lying, war-criminal president, and applauding him.
Chaffee described the Dems perfectly. They can’t wait to show how tough they are. What a shame that a time in history when one of the worst administrations ever, all the left over non-indicted criminals from past administrations, was foisted on the country, these panderers and political opportunists were all we had to rely on to use the power of Congress to stop him.
Deadly Hubris:
Paul is a nut, but he’s so right about this.
I was on another board in which the regulars were going on and on about how all those people who lost their homes were obviously living in mansions with swimming pools even though they were living on a supermarket checker’s income at the time.
[rolleyes] I’m sure you would all be proud of how well I kept my temper in check. But I am now in search of hard data as to the income levels of most of 2007’s home-losers. Google is slow going, probably because I haven’t used the right search phrases. But there is some good general stuff at the Consumer Rights Watch blog and at Public Citizen aka Old Reliable.
If anyone stumbles on to this economic Rosetta Stone, pass it on please.
I am always impressed at how people read in the papers about another human’s dumb decision at the hands of professional sheep-fleecers and then immediately blank out every horrid shear-job they themselves were ever subjected to.
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ms x
I have caught some horrible examples of that very thing. In fact a reporter from the San Jose Mercury who declared the whole thing ws facilitated by “greed”
Earlier this week there was a Democracy NOW! show that highlighted the subprime issue as the greatest single economic blow to blacks in the USA. If I can find it will post the link, it is bound to have at least some figures..
The news we’ve all been waiting for (haha): Sarkozy and Bruni marry in Paris
Btw, those are just obscene amounts of money raised by the Dems (and everyone running in this election). The meme that Mitt has enough money to buy his way into the WH over McCain just sickens me (while he reminds people that the $100 million trust fund for his spawn is safe). It’s not “Ballot Bowl” as CNN has dubbed it. It’s “Money Bowl”.
What a huge waste of millions of dollars. It sure makes big media happy though.
I was on another board
What’s up with that?? We’re supposed to be “insular” here.
Merci, Mcat. I have to head out soon, but will keep my eyes open.
A little goes a long, long way, I guess. But in case you’re curious the thread in question is here.
What is interesting is that the author of the original piece talks about homeowners who “run the clock,” which everyone accepts without question as representative of homeowners in straits. Meanwhile it took me three minutes to find a story that made the rounds on Common Dreams and other sites late last year about a suit against Ameriquest for essentially not notifying the homeowner that her mortgage was toast.
Same old, same old…
Speaking of obscene amounts of money: Bush to seek $140.7 billion for Army in budget
Mea culpa, catnip. I did it for the Kos-free cat pics. [blush]
Happy Groundhog Day. (I wonder if the Huckster ever cooked one of those in his popcorn popper.)
ms x
looking now… ugh her search engine is lousy…
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catnip
Don’t question monies for the army, it all goes for reinforced tanks. ARMOR UP!!
We know this as both Rep and Dems will tell us that.
gah.
Nice to see that Obama isn’t playing old-style politics. cough cough
ms x – lots of links, including research, legislative advocacy, and media reports, at Center for Responsible Lending, which is a “a nonprofit, nonpartisan research and policy organization dedicated to protecting homeownership and family wealth by working to eliminate abusive financial practices.” Should be some good stuff there.
A couple more promising links:
The worst housing slump since the Great Depression? (New deal democrat diary at DK, 1/30/08 – lotsa charts)
Here’s a recent SF Chron article about California’s stats: Startling jump in California foreclosures 1/23/08
A lot of foreclosure/house price/median income info gets analyzed at the state or regional level, so it’s hard to come up with one-size-fits all numbers. However, from The social toll of the US home mortgage crisis (WSW article, September 07):
Other possibilities:
Federal Reserve reports
HUD foreclosure page
I am glad Obama is rolling in the dirt… only losers stay above the fray. At least he isn’t lying like the Clintons did about his pro choice credentials. Crooked Timber compares and contrast forced insurance in Australia under Howard:
Eye candy break:
What a country Photos from Russia
A Day At The Beach In South Korea
(Both via the wonderful Grow a Brain, whose proprietor is currently seeking input on what to do with his blog.)
Obama’s fundraising collides with his rhetoric; Union says senator did little to save jobs
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No thanks. I’m trying to cut down.
I am glad Obama is rolling in the dirt… only losers stay above the fray.
Do as I say, not as I do?
I thought (from all of his speechifying) that he was supposed to be taking the high road.
Lying is taking the low road… he did not lie. Hilary is trying to set up a boondoggle for insurance companies
IB
thanks for that… you obviously are a stellar Googler…
8)
26. Then you’ll have to define “lie” for me.
Here are a few more:
Face it: all politicians lie.
That’s right keep ignoring the issue of forced insurance.
I don’t deny that I would prefer Obama over Clinton for many reasons beyond Obama himselfd … so… perhaps you should just admit that you prefer Clinton and then we can agree to disagree.
the only plan worth anything is single payer. Expand Medicare, forward and backward and for the federal government to become a wholesaler of prescription medicine (this was noted as imperative, at the time Medicare was instituted, in the god damed 60s).
Hward had a hodge podge, that he explained very well. George McGovern a coupel of years ago outlined expanding Medicare immediately to 0 to 18 and to catastrphic illness. Then incrementally til you have everyone covered. Fold in Medicaid and you have a single system.
ALL OF THE POLS wish to maintain a welfare level of health care. IE, even in such a thing as health care we shall not be equal, EVER.
And to keep the ins cos happy.
Frankly all the plans are shit and all whoever goes in will do what the party and the conservatives, both parties, in congress mandate.
Nothing more.
30. Here’s more on health care for you then and take a look at their records if you think they actually differ that much.
perhaps you should just admit that you prefer Clinton and then we can agree to disagree.
What a laugh that is. Neither of them would ever get a vote from this liberal. They’re both completely unacceptable, afaic. (And you’d know that I thought that way if you hadn’t spent so much energy pumping up Obama here while ignoring any criticism I’ve made of Hillary and the Dem party in general – which I have absolutely no use for.)
I pump up no one.. but I a fed up with your “I know best and ever one is too naive to see the truth but me” bull… like saying that I think Obama is the messaiah…
One can be critical but still take away the good bits with out swallowing the rest hook line and sinker.
Thanks. 🙂
Years of practice at quick-and-dirty research, offline and on. (Needless to say, online is quicker!) Plus, I confess, I do enjoy the hunt.
Think I found the Democracy Now item you referenced: Report: Subprime Mortgage Crisis Causing African Americans to Experience Greatest Loss of Wealth in Modern U.S. History (1/17/08)
as well as an April 07 Goodman interview with an atty at the Center for Responsible Lending (the nonprofit I mentioned above): Subprime Lending Crisis: Millions of Families Face Losing Their Homes to Foreclosure.
IB – and ms xeno
I had only gotten as far as I think the 23rd and found this…
Kuttner on Democracy NOW on recession and subprime
I stayed away for several weeks because I was so disgusted in the whole election… I meant to only peek in before Iowa…. then Obama won and that made for good political armchair quarterbacking… this is the only place you can do that freely without being wedded to the Democratic party.
So, I do not care or wish to prove my “liberalness” bone fides to you catnip. When I say that the only change will be a change of political machines… I mean it. I do not care to be “tested” on my words over and over again until I some how meet your standards of political astuteness.
Mcat – We’ve definitely earned those offers of gourmet eggs and baked goods at ms xeno’s world-famous Sunday brunch.
Now if we could just work out a way for her to transmit those tasty items, directly, over the wires. . . .
Prepare for Peak Kennedy – as previously rumored, now Ethel’s in too!
AFAIK
no one here is supporting Hillary.
I have no idea how some here may end up voting in either their primary or the GE in Nov…
Not everyone who posts here is a US citizen and thus not all vote in the US system…
I am off the Federal game… game it is. But here in CA we get a long list, almost every election (of which we will have 5 in a years period, from our most recent to the GE) to keep me busy.
All pols lie, going in and coming out. And in between.
There is little to no support for the Dem party here, either.
In case that was not clear.
And for the record, by now I could not care less what went on from Clinton camp to screw the Dem primaries in 03/04.
Poor Howard went deep inside and proved, the Party always gets its man.
More is the pity.
I see this election as between a DLCer and a Third Way.
Coupla conservatives – and owrse than that authoritarians.. LOL Distribute weapons and pray for good aim. That’s my motto.
IB
We are in Peak Kerry here… he is in SJ, then SF then on to Sacto.
Yikes. Drag out your dead, is how i see it.
I haven’t bothered in ages, but now that the primaries are in full swing, I can’t help but check in over at D-kos every now and again. It’s such a train wreck.
Just found this awesome GBCW diary and I just had to share! I don’t know the author, but he implies he’s an oldster over there.
A GBCW Diary for you to Mock
“I don’t even like you people any more. You’re a bunch of self serving shills. And it’s not that you forgot what being a progressive is about. I honestly believe you never knew what it was to begin with. You just basically came and sat your fat, overendulged asses down and started eating our shrimp until it was too disgusting to want anymore.”
Nathalie Holloway endorses Obama:
http://www.politicalfleshfeast.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1906
hey-I still have a sense of humor.
Face it: all politicians lie.
That is a corollary of a more basic truth:
All Americans lie, and cheat.
Our culture is built on it, demands it, forces people to it. I don’t think that makes America particularly different from the rest of the human race, but our sanctimoneous insistence that we’re “good” people and “the greatest nation on Earth” despite all evidence to the contrary makes it a particularly sad thing. Hell, we’ve built our entire economy around economic “persons” who are removed from liabilty/accountabilty for their bad acts. We celebrate and encourage an appalling amorality in our public sphere.
Our politicians are just us, no more and certainly no less.
“I see this election as between a DLCer and a Third Way.”
True.
I’m in MA and we’re getting bombed with McCain and Obama commercials. Nothing from the other candidates. I’m a bit surprised I’ve seen no lawn signs or bumper stickers for any of them in my town. No one has come to my door, either.
The only people who’ve called me are the Clinton people.
Analysts predict chaos as subprime Kennedy endorsements market strained to breaking point.
I a fed up with your “I know best and ever one is too naive to see the truth but me” bull
pffft…you’re kidding, right?? You obviously don’t know me if you think my ego is that huge.
like saying that I think Obama is the messaiah…
I said I had no use for “messiah politics”. There is a difference, you know…lofty speeches meant to play on peoples’ emotions, short on actual issues, big promises about “change” etc…
One can be critical but still take away the good bits
FYI, (again) I’ve been critical of all of them. Afaic, the “good bits” have been immensely overshadowed by reality and the political gamesmanship.
So, I do not care or wish to prove my “liberalness” bone fides to you catnip.
I spoke about my “liberalness” and clearly said that I don’t care who you vote for or that you have to prove anything to me.
I do not care to be “tested” on my words over and over again until I some how meet your standards of political astuteness.
Standards you’ve inflicted on me because I sure don’t see myself being any more politically astute than anyone – especially not here where there are people who know far more than I could ever hope to. I’m here to learn as much as I am to contribute and I have learned a vast amount from being here and still have a lot to catch up on.
I’m not into testing “words”. I have been quite clear that it’s policies I’m interested in. For some reason, you’ve taken that personally – as has Miss D. That’s not on me. That’s on you.
I don’t know why anyone would think they’d get a free ride here (especially here) when they advocate so strongly for a particular Dem party candidate. I have absolutely no faith in the Dems to do anything resembling what’s been promised. That’s already been proven over and over again.
we are getting Obama and Hillary ads here in SF, heavily around our local news hour, hour and a half. The Dueling Kennedy ads… and a coupel without Kennedys.
no McCain ads. But HuckAnutter came thru town… played it lighthearted and thanks people for noticing he is not a Liberal and could we all tell Rush. I suspect he came thru as a newly minted Pro Life clergy group has been trying to gain hold here. Struggle on… we are the one city that filed an amicus brief to the SCOTUS in support of PPFoA, Cathcart etc in the so called “partial birth abortion” case.
One good thing, bullshit does not take long to out these days. We will get the back stories on the party fueds, sooner or later.
“we are the one city that filed an amicus brief to the SCOTUS in support of PPFoA, Cathcart etc in the so called “partial birth abortion” case.”
Only one city filed an amicus brief in support? That’s infuriating!!
Excuse me but you are so full of shit.
I wrote extensively on how Clinton’s (Bill) Banking Reforms 10 years ago are directly related to the subprime meltdown today … and still NO ONE is making the connection… which is why I have already said MANY times that this election is a farce.
But there are many aspects of this election that can still be scrutinized and jawed about… like my comment on the previous thread that discusses the possibility of of the first time since it’s inception of ending the Southern Strategy … so give me a break… let’s just agree to ignore one another.
Via USA Today, this could be entertaining. Presidential hopefuls to be in youth-issues event.
6 pm ET – must be underway already.
A GBCW Diary for you to Mock
Telling it like it is and I definitely agree with him about all of those promises that dkos will be different after the primaries – as if. There are a lot of people walking away now and that will leave the assholes left just where they want to be – in charge and with fewer dissenting voices than ever. The Big Orange Circle Jerk.
You know, I’m completely pro-choice. I can’t approve of forced pregnancy under any circumstances. But that “PBA” ruling is so utterly cruel I have a hard time processing it.
I wrote extensively on how Clinton’s (Bill) Banking Reforms 10 years ago are directly related to the subprime meltdown today … and still NO ONE is making the connection… which is why I have already said MANY times that this election is a farce.
I asked you before when you stated that and I’ll ask you again because I didn’t see your answer to it if you posted one: who is “NO ONE”? No one here? No one is the MSM? Who? Because if that’s about people who comment here I can tell you that this place is where I learned about that – the glass whatever act etc. (bad memory) and it wasn’t only you that was talking about it, so I have no idea who you’re referring to.
As for the southern strategy, I don’t talk about things I don’t know much about and that’s one of them. I try to learn about those kinds of things here.
let’s just agree to ignore one another.
I’d suggest that you ignore me if you think I’m so full of shit but I’m not going to stop myself from commenting on what you post. Why should I?
Gayle
yes cruel is the word. The candidates all upchucked a pro forma, hold the wimmens vote comment at the ruling. But none has made an issue of what happened at the ruling, a medical procedure was federally banned. The pro life know that it puts a huge chill and a very dark cloud over antying but simple uncomplicated first term abortion.
But no matter who is the nom, if up against mcCain, ‘protecting the right to choose’ will mined, yet again.
Ooooo….ahhhhh…C-SPAN has a nouveau look. (I was checking to see if they have coverage of that youth event).
Who would Jesus shoot?
What an odd way to begin a news story:
Ron Paul on MTV – answering questions from a student audience, via satellite – definitely not doing the GOP any favors! But unclear if he’s doing all that well for himself, either.
Presumably Hill or Obama will be up in a few.
57. Thanks. I don’t get MTV. I’m of the “music videos killed imagination” generation.
“But none has made an issue of what happened at the ruling, a medical procedure was federally banned.”
And what happens to women who need this procedure? They get the option of a far more dangerous alternative. For the moment. . .
I’m sure the “scrambled fetus” argument will rear its ugly head, once again. Next stop, no late term abortions, period. Women will die for non-viable pregnancies.
If I wasn’t already so cynical, I wouldn’t believe it.
Catnip,
I have to admit that diary gave me a much needed laugh.
“I don’t know who the fuck you are, what you represent, or how you expect to ever have anyone’s respect but the person sitting next to you.
You disgust me. I hate you. You make me sick.”
plus moiv has stated that dilation and extraction is used for mid term. I think all parties are happy to let the idea slip into focus that this is used exclusively fro late term and, unspoken but allowed to drift in the air, elective late term (whihc is not protected under Roe, as I recall).
It really does sytmie the doctors in providing the best care. WHen Clinton veto’d the earlier “PBA” in ugh… think it was ’97… the stories then before congress from women needing the procedure were horrific. Same stories now.
Major linchpin to killing off abortion. Leave Roe up, make it too tough to offer a full service care to women.
The government is fully between women and their doctor, no question.
Oh wait…I just discovered that I do get MTV, lol, but it’s the Canadian version. Learn something new every day!
60. Well, if you’re going to go out, might as well do it in a blaze of glory! 🙂
And the funny thing is that these recent GBCW diaries are getting a lot of nods instead of just recipes and inane chatter lately.
ugh dying for non viable pregnancies.
moiv has horror stories from teh present tense in TX>
a baby dies, and no hosptial will extract it. They send women home… or some will refer them to an abortion clinic.
It really is dire. Everyone should get decent medical care, appropriate to the illness disease accident or need.
Media’s Report on ‘Mentally Disabled” Iraqi Suicide Bombers Now Questioned
a baby dies, and no hosptial will extract it.
That’s absolutely horrendous.
65. Thanks for posting that. I was wondering about the truth of that story.
80 YEARS OF ACTIVISM ENDS: WWII CO RALPH DI GIA DIES AT 93
I was wondering about the truth of that story.
My default position is to believe nothing our gov’t or its puppets say as a default position until I see it go unchallenged for at least a month in multiple international presses. These days, most of the bullshit gets debunked within a week, if you look for it.
I heard an ITV report the day of the bombs that questioned it immediately.
They provided on site eye witness report. One person had seen one of the women, acting noramlly leading a child to the market.
After the lbase he saw her head decapitated, for me it immediately raised the truth v propaganda of the story.
What did anyone really know.
And Condi et al jsut lvoed to jump on the retarded as tools for the AQ story. Oh and SUlly too. He luved that one. The immense “evil” of the “islamofaschits” Do people hear themselves? WE INVADED.
gah.
catnip – Ha! Had to fumble around for 10 minutes and consult a printed list to figure out what channel MTV was, myself.
Gayle – The tags to that GBCW were as uncluttered as the sentiments it conveyed. LOL. contempt, GBCW, ego masturbation . Thanks for sharing the loathing!
Regarding the ob/gyn state of the nation, I’m very alarmed at all the fuzzy thinking out there about that maverick mother-lover McCain.
BTW – I missed most of Huckabee, so I don’t know if he got quizzed on reproductive health, but Ron Paul completely brushed off a young woman’s question about lowering the high price of birth control pills for students, saying that he certainly wouldn’t do it by taking money from anybody else! Then launched into a discussion of the dollar and wound his way into the Federal Reserve and all the rest. I think his only further response to her actual question – or even the topic of health care, let alone contraceptives – was some vague and perfunctory reference to “these products” or “people who are interested in them.” Not 30 seconds later he was touting his appeal to young people as “freedom, freedom, freedom!”
Oy.
Obama did predictably well. No abortion questions, I think, just gay marriage.
Hillary’s winding up now.
Here’s the online info – apparently there are instant-voting options, widgets, etc., and presumably they’ll archive the clips:
“a baby dies, and no hosptial will extract it. They send women home… or some will refer them to an abortion clinic.”
It’s painful for me to read this. I just deleted a comment about my own experience because I figured it was TMI.
In short, I had a baby die in utero a few years back. They took me into surgery and it ended there. I can’t imagine what it would have been like to have my doctor send me home to wait for a miscarriage. I can’t imagine being turned away or sent elsewhere when I was so vulnerable.
Yes, too much information, but there it is. People need to understand pregnancy is not always easy. Sometimes things go wrong.
This affects people. It affects real people in their very real lives. How dare they treat it like a political game.
Another mall shooting – 5 dead in Chicago (and it wasn’t adone by al Qaeda)
Yeah, thanks for the update on that bombing. The mentally disabled women story was flying so fast it was reminding me of the the terrorist passports wafting down from the WTC a few years back.
A month of international press is a decent rule of thumb.
Speaking of mass killings, there’s another strip mall shooting manhunt underway, near Chicago. Five women dead in a Lane Bryant store.
People need to understand pregnancy is not always easy. Sometimes things go wrong.
Condolences to you and to so many.
This affects people. It affects real people in their very real lives. How dare they treat it like a political game.
Well said.
Christian Right Gets Its Way: “In God We Trust” Will Have Prominence on New Coin
Oh Ron Paul is just so CUUUUTE. I love him.
Such a bastard.
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Oh Gayle don’t worry about TMI… and it is the politcal game, that is the other horror.
They ALL have reduced it over adn voer to a convoluted, hidden inside the maze game.
Find the woman – throw her out, find the foetus, kiss it to death. When it dies however it dies, blame the woman. Whereever she is.
The federal ban (and I maintain we are living under FUCKED PROHIBITIONISTS, of all kinds) criminalises doctors.
IMO Huck, Ron Paul and McCain would all move slowly to criminalise owmen, whatever they say now (hey they lie, upside down and rightside up).
And why not, you criminalise one, hey do both.
I really think they want to go back, fully to the old days. AND ban BC, esp Plan B.
One reason RP was so cavalier. And anyone who thinks he is not at the forefront, getting info every day from the pro life hard core, is a fucking fool.
The real objective, IMO, is Griswold because from what I read, inside Griswold is some guarantee of privacy. It opened birth control purchase to married couples. DUE TO THEIR PRIVACY.
The government I think needs to get rid of Griswold. However long it takes.
tie their wrists together and give them knives!
On the trail, Bill Clinton links Ted Kennedy and Bush
yup, Griswold is the eventual target
The “unemployment rate” myth
Griswold (v. Connecticut) needs an Oprah.
LOL:
Israel: Even rainwater a weapon
Did somebody ask for a Rosetta Stone?
http://acorn.org/index.php?id=8360
The data are there, but not always easily extracted.
Howard
ACORN, of course… thank you….
I will let ms x know about the posts from IB and this one too.
Thanks…
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and won’t be getting one.
The price (meaning long term cost) of much less subsidized BC at campus clinics is ratcheting up…….. Achtung! Not for Mis Oprah tho. Let’s talk about censoring rappers (I did catch her series of programs on that … ).
so it goes. She plays it safe.
Play spot and name the celebrities in this hipster Obama music video.
Quote of the Day
Yet more sources:
Excellent article from The Economist:
http://www.economist.com/world/na/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9905451
(Did you know that if the bank repossesses your home and you owe more than it’s worth, you can be charged for tax on the difference if the bank forgives that debt??? If you owe $500,000 on a home and it’s worth $400,000 and the bank takes the home back without demanding the $100,000 difference, you owe the IRS tax on that $100,000.)
Amazingly enough, CNN has a solid piece on the housing crisis:
http://robots.cnnfn.com/2008/01/29/real_estate/foreclosure_filings_2007/index.htm?postversion=2008012910
The BBC have:
1. A timetable of the subprime crisis
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7096845.stm
2. A Guide for Absolute Beginners:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7003139.stm
3. My favorite, The US Subprime Crisis in Graphics:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7073131.stm
Got to have illustrations.
#3 is well worth a look even if your brain is already fried from trying to understand it all.
Ms. Xeno might find these two links from the BBC useful, as they provide interactive maps in which you can see foreclosures by income level, ethnic (the housing crisis is hitting black Americans like a bomb), etc.:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7070935.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7078492.stm
Meh, that’s enough, I think.
What, have you been passed out drunk in the Little Centrist’s Room for the last 20 year?
That cracked me up.
Yeah, Oprah plays it safe. Hasn’t she been making millions selling tiny sips of delicious, nutritious, VERY slightly XTC-laced, there-there-now, wakey-wake syrup to all the people passed out drunk in the Little Centrist’s Room for the last ten years, at least? With missionary forays to Springerworld and Fundieland?
Not unlike Humboldt County and its business concerns.
ROMNEY wins…………..Maine!!
that tilts my machine. game ovah!
he should change his name to gomer. that might help.
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yes think the game is to keep the wimmens nodding, but not noticing they have nodded off, during the day.
She is on right before my local ABC news, so I often catch the last mins.
I DO remember a bit more courage years ago… she had a genuinely interesting show in the wake of Columbine.
A long time ago.
Wow. This is going to be more than just a predatory loan “cheat sheet.” It’s going to be a cheater’s encyclopedia !
Thanks, IB, Mcat, Carter. Macaroons all around ! 8)
I guess I know what my next LJ entry will be about.
But first, dinner and a coupla’ margaritas. W/fresh limes. None of that crappy “mix,” damnit.
no. thank you for being so open. you’ve walked the mile, you understand these issues. if this country was really righteous it would be using guidance of women such as yourself as a guide.
not the calculations of some worthless piece of shit politicans.
its horrid what the worthless piece of shit politicans are doing to medical care in order to score cheap points with unthinking baptist-like males. in reality they outlaw a safe, and necessary procedure. the political males have decided to play football with it. the law is harrassment against women and their health care providers, pure and simple.
and its the most hateful kind. fuck them all.
that tilts my machine. game ovah!
ROFL.
Thanks bayprairie, and Marisa, and IB,
I’m not looking for sympathy for myself. I’m one of the lucky ones. I fear for women going through what I went through–and worse! –now and in the future. Basic medical intervention should be a matter of principle.
“the law is harrassment against women and their health care providers, pure and simple.”
Yes, I’d say this is true.
“its horrid what the worthless piece of shit politicans are doing to medical care in order to score cheap points with unthinking baptist-like males.”
Yes! That too!
the law is harrassment against women and their health care providers, pure and simple.
and its the most hateful kind. fuck them all.
No chance of R, or O, or F, or L. Not laughing at all.
Every grown woman I know has a story. And every sentient man. If not their own tale of the troubles, then that of someone near and dear.
Humans put the literal man on the moon loooooong before they sorted out reproduction. And they still want to make it someone else’s business or religion before they do.
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Macaroons all around !
I knew baked goods would be involved. (Way to go, Howard Carter – collective rewards!)
But first, dinner and a coupla’ margaritas. W/fresh limes.
ms x – dangerous lifestyle guru. And multiple-party supporter!
‘Night all. Thanks as always for the scintillating conversation and links.
I can’t wait for menopause. Everyone will be invited to the party in honor thereof. Donkey and Elephant pinatas will both be given equal beatings. But instead of candy being removed, the ritual will culminate with us stuffing pretend dead fetuses inside them and asking them if that won’t make for a fun couple of months.
>:
Sigh.
Apparently it takes teams of WordPress horses to restrain even a gentle, moderate “Good Night.”
(Suitable smiley-face here!)
like these, ms. x?
Shit, Madman – I clicked on the link expecting macaroons.
Lovely yellow ribbon, though.
Help me, WordPress! I am spam!
Not TMI for me either, Gayle.
I can’t imagine what it would have been like to have my doctor send me home to wait for a miscarriage. I can’t imagine being turned away or sent elsewhere when I was so vulnerable.
That says it all. It’s cruel and inhumane.
like these, ms. x?
That’s disgusting. If Hamas or Hezbollah produced those you can just imagine the outrage.
I watched this Howard Dean interview with Reuters earlier and was shocked to hear him say that the upcoming rebates would be a good thing because the poor would have to spend them immediately since they’re already so short of money. That’s “liberal”? Using the poor to prop up the economy while those who make more can stash away their cash?
I also noted that he said the Dems are getting a lot more money from Wall St and CEOs. That’s something to be proud of? I don’t know how or if that money makes its way to the candidates but when they both speak of not being beholden to “special interests”, I’d say that’s way off the mark. (Not that I didn’t know that already.)
Madman, that’s just beautiful.
I’m 99% sure that I will feel the same way tomorrow morning when the margaritas have worn off.
😉
Detroit’s mayor behaving badly – in a sex scandal.
“Breakthrough” in the writer’s strike
Bring out the Eisenhowers now: Why I’m Backing Obama By Susan Eisenhower. Who’s next? Lincoln’s relatives?
And Ms Eisenhower lost me in the first paragraph:
She does know that Obama wants to expand the military, right?
i had a coworker in taiwan several years ago, a korean-american woman who had married a taiwanese guy. she got pregnant before the wedding, but when the doctor discovered it was stillborn, he told the husband but not the wife, because “it would upset her before the wedding banquet.” so they let that thing sit inside of her for weeks, making her sick, so that the fucking ceremony would go off smoothly. then they “discovered” it after the banquet, and she had an abortion.
made a deep impression on me. so many fucked up people out there, placing bullshit trivial stuff over the lives of human fucking beings.
IB
apologies… just got the “goodnight” out of moderation.
Off to check spam.
SORRY!
found madman in spam…
sorry!!
what an awful story, wu ming.
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Damn!
Just let a comment of Madman’s, a great quote from Buchanan, out of Spam and don’t see it in the thread.
sigh… it was vitnage Buchanan… that if these are our noms, both sides, go for the pistol (as in “shoot me now!”).
WP is manic.
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that is why (and s o m e Democrats HAVE mentioned various stimulous that shoudl be added to the bill or pumped out separately, but hey it is an election year) there needed to be so much more…
A jobs bill
expansion of Unemplpoyment Ins
Expand Food Stamps (R Mid West farmers benefit from this as well, nobody likes to mention this)
AND A BIG stimulous bill to the states, all of whom are being forced to cut backs.
Ours are something like 7 – 10% cutbacks across the board.
And whether a cap on income or not, but more rebate checks to more people. Seniors as well as disabled vets.
… but it will all drain away. There might be some small second stimulous package, but somehow between noodle knee’d no spine no neck Dems and Bush, it will be on the cutting room floor of life.
That’s my guess, at least.
and there’s where the breadline riots will grow out of.
well whoops. Obama and the nuclear industry at home in Ill.
That is why I hate dumb things like congressional vote punch cards, the one being used right now to call Obama Liberal (what a joke). Which is just an election hook, in both directions. LOL. The real nitty gritty is behind the votes, in the ever weakened bills, to suit industry. In the nasty vote trading and deal making. In the petty personal feuds… etc.
But not exactly noooooooooooz.
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Outright lie or just political fluffery? You decide. Didn’t he or his campaign advisors think that someone might catch on?
(and s o m e Democrats HAVE mentioned various stimulous that shoudl be added to the bill or pumped out separately,
Like that’s going to happen? They’ll be too busy voting for more war money.
And speaking of the fact that war contractors are so hard to fire, do either Clinton or Obama have a position about them? Nice to hear rah rah we’re bring the troops home (whenever) but what about the mercenaries? And why doesn’t the MSM ask them about that during the debates? (rhetorical question, of course)
Btw, for anyone who missed it, Bill Moyers had a good interview with Henry Waxman on Friday nite’s show.
The money quote from the Obama Nukey Dukey Two Step in NYT
I have positively plenty …..of negativity to go around.
Despite the Slogan:::::
“Hope we can Believe in for a Change this Time Really Not Kidding, Really Mean It, , Got- chyer-Back-Keep- Hope-Alive-Serious, Promise, Really…..”
The record is out there on all of these sell out motherfuckers…
What? Jaded? Me?……?The slogan was shortened ’cause of
the unwieldy bumper sticker angle? Oh thank goodness….
just another smooth talking lying piece of shit politican. man of the people in public. hush mouth brother with the hands out and the wallet open in the back room.
What? Jaded? Me?
I was thinking after I read that and wrote my comment that I’ve become so bloody cycnical it’s a wonder I actually get out of bed in the morning.
I popped over to dkos to see what the damage was around this story. Crickets chirped and then I heard a noticeable “GULP”.
And this?
I mean…c’mon now…
fwiw:
Daily tracking poll from Rasmussen. Current final shows 45/37 up from 43/37 the day before.
May belie the idea of a obama national surge (not sure this matters, frankly). It certainly narrowed, but what is it doing now…..
AND:
Gallup tracking.
I think if this keeps up, and anything more than the numerical date on a page gives me a fuckign headache, that the case (made by some) for Edwards votes going to Obama almost exclusively, starts to die.
Oh, looks like I was wrong: must.hide.the.truth.
The nickname says it all.
i’m going to spend a limited portion of my allotment of hope on this family
none left for any politician.
WaPo has them tied.
I’m calling so-called super Tuesday for Hillary. But then, there’s still a problem with the delegate count not actually choosing a winner, isn’t there? Fuzzy math and super delegates and all that?
Aha! I found a dkos diary about nuclear Obama. Needless to say, it did not make the rec list. The comments are quite the show. Popcorn!
In happier news, a week long strike was settled wherein a 17 year old Senior in High School IS speaking to her father while reserving all rolling eyeball rights…..As part of the settlement, The teenager has agreed to disavow any future Federal Election Commission Complaints against father while retaining her right to vote Democratic in her first election
Negotiations continue on other fronts….LOL.
Chuck Todd said it might be a razor thin margin.
I have no idea at all. I have gone back and forth thinking she takes it, he takes it.
I had to fish around a bit but I came up with a couple reports (one “sparse” attendance, another giving a count “1200”) indicating less than ecstatic turn out for Ted in East LA, think it ws a Friday am he did there.
Hard to say the effect of all the fluffing til it is over.
One thing that seems to leak thru all the reports, at some point, Obama camp did not make a concerted ground effort for Latino votes out here til too late.
Not sure why that may be, they surely had the money and knew CA mattered… but it might be (just might, I hve no real idea) a real hinge in teh deal.
I have no idea w/r/t Tuesday. She seems to hve the advantage. But……………..
Mcat, –what’s your read in Cali????
I Prepared the comment while you were posting, I see Obama camp did not make a concerted ground effort for Latino votes out here til too late.
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LOL
are you breathing a sigh of relief..??
Good news: Lifeline for Pervez: Afghan Senate withdraws demand for death sentence
Re striking teenager…are you breathing a sigh of relief.
While I can, while I can….LOL
lol… (I was just over there reading the Afghanistan story and noticed the headline about Obama and Latinos).
I am SO glad my days as the mother of a teenager are long past.
I.feel.your.pain.
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yeah it boggles the mind. And in retrospect the NV effort seems to have been a hodge podge. Maybe too much reliance on Culinary. Which could not deliver…
Not sure.
It DID seem clear to me that the Kennedys entered for two reasons… to assuage whatever pique agaisnt the Clintons (love this endless Capulet and Montague, Ma and Pa Clampet we are forced into) AND to try to massage what I suspect were some frightening low numbers in the voter groups they think they can control.
Many years ago the Kennedys held a big interest as an investment family in the Chicago merch Mart… how deep their Illinois money game goes, I have no idea.
I say let the two canddiate win or lose… but I would be DELIGHTED to see the Kennedy mystique circle the drain. The Rbt Kennedy Jr ad (Hillary is the voice for the voiceless or some such shit) is as offensive as the old harridan Teddy sweating and straining out yet another pull the wool over their eyes.
Hmmm…Let me get this straight…..
A few days ago, the NYT has a FP piece where Bill brokers a Kazakhstan uranium deal to turn A HillBill Bud’s shell company into one of the worlds largest uranium producers for nuclear reactors….
Bill gets a $131 Million into his semi-audited Foundation from the guy, Frank Giustra…who then dumps the stock in the start-up for $3 BILLION Dollars….
Now Obam is shown shillin for the nuke industry too….
Duelling hit pieces? After the kiss-kiss at the Cali Debate???…
Hardly. They’re BOTH TOOLS. Their decendents will be sleeping on mattresses made of money for generations.
Well, like our hostess says: “All you can do is laugh…”
I guess the bleeding hasn’t stopped yet: It’s “Blogroll Amnesty & Blogroll Bloodbath Anniversary Remembrance Day” over at MLW brought to you by MSOC.
Ironically, I don’t see my blog listed on her blogroll anymore. (mind you, it’s late and she’s got a ton of blogs listed there.)
Reuters cites new Zogby w slight Obam lead in Cali and Pulled even in NJ. MO and elsewhere….
Go Nuclear industry!
Let’s here it for redeployment, though!……..To Pakistan!
is she lacking for current major crises?
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thanks for th Zogby… I was just at RCP and latest they had for Cal was the Rasmussen of the 29th.
from the Reuters on teh Zogby poll:
i don’t think they’ll get a bead on the polling in CA. far too many people are still muddling it out, and noone’s got a clue on what turnout will be like, and how it’ll be distributed. a lot of people that i’ve spoken to seem positively surprised that the race has even made it here, and were asking me how to find out their positions on issues.
totally up in the air.
and that’s not even getting into the delegates-by-district madness.
Hmmm… Looks like Georgia and South Carolina will definitely be in play for the general… I guess Schaller won’t be able to sell many more books extolling the virtues of bypassing the south is Black voters
LOL too funny from myDD:
IIRC weren’t these the same White Boyz that supported Kaine, Webb, Tester, Casey, Salazar, Lieberman (Bowers said he was a genius for taking away the Dems right to fulibuster the SCOTUS candidates), Herseth, etc. etc. etc.
I know that this is not popular here but I do see collateral advantages to Obama over Hilary… the big one recently that no one is talking about is the dismantling of the Southern Strategy that the DLC and the Clintons have propped up for the past 20 years. Obama is leading in Idaho and Utah for goodness sakes… the collateral advantages to putting to rest the Democratic myth that politicians of color must be segregated to “liberal” enclaves. Besides Donna (what’s her name) the White Boyz refused to support African American candidates… based on that myth. Obama didn’t even make it to the “Kos Dozen” back in his senate run…
Question: How does one find specific posts from previous threads?
I want to add on to Clintons’s banking reform comments… iirc the Depression era acts that Bill repealed had to do with breaking up not only Banks from Brokerage houses but also Insurance companies. I vaguely recall during my research the fear that insurance companies owned by banks could therefore impinge on peoples privacy (medical records) in evaluating financial transactions.
So, it may not be a benign as Hil suggest to force all Americans handover their information to a private Insurance company that is also owned by bank.
SF Gate quotes latest Field poll
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probably have to do a search thru google specific to the site.
Thee is a little search box at the top but I have never used it. I would doubt its capabilities.
If you are unsuccessful finding your comments thru google I can try to find your glass steagall comments thru the back pages, copy paste and send.
yeah, that’s it. How to do that? I know there is a way to do this.. beacuse the google blog search tool doesn’t search comments..
This is interesting… Schaller on TPM defending abandoning the African American vote in the south:
Developing….
well I thought if you go into ‘advanced search’, that is the way.
Do a word search, would be my guess…. Which ought to bring up your comments… when I so searches I certainly get comments that relate to the words I plug in… to the extent that it brings up messy non specific “stuff” that clutters up what I am hunting for… so comments must float, searchable.
Sorry, as I say over and over, I am nto a great googler. This has exhausted what little I know…
thanks
well I always consdiered Schaller an asshole. And not politically astute.
It was he who posted a FP post at Dkos soft on torture, about two weeks after the Hersh Abu Ghraib and admitted he had not read the hersh piece.
Hard to get dumber, more fucked or more right (wing) was my view.
Hell whatshisname at the Comedy Show basically called him a Trojan hourse when he trotted out his numbskull southern strategy.
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how deep their Illinois money game goes, I have no idea.
back to daddy Kennedy’s ties to the mob’s rum-running, I bet.