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Christmas Godzilla 5 February 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, U.S. Senate, WAR!.

Years ago a friend of mine who was expecting called the in utero, Elvis Godzilla…

Who knows what is hatching today.

Bombs away…………….



1. marisacat - 5 February 2008

btw… some people should slap themselves awake… when I saw some silly diary somewhere or other, all in a tizwhiz over Hillary [hers is a bad plan, I am not for HIllary! I am not for anyone!] and her comment or statement about garnishee of wages …

it pricked [correct word for the season]
my memory.


Under the Edwards plan, when Americans file their income taxes, they would be required to submit a letter from an insurance provider confirming coverage for themselves and their dependents.

If someone did not submit proof of coverage, the Internal Revenue Service would notify a newly established regional or state-based health-care agency (which Edwards has dubbed a Health Care Market).

Those regional agencies would then evaluate whether the uninsured individual was eligible for Medicare (which covers those over 65), Medicaid (which covers the indigent), or S-CHIP (the State Children’s Health Insurance Program which targets the working poor).

If the individual was not eligible for either of those existing public programs, the regional-health care agency would enroll the individual into the lowest cost health-care plan available in that area. The lowest-cost option could be a new Medicare-like public option or a private insurance plan.

Here’s the kicker, read it twice:

If a person did not meet his or her monthly financial obligation for a set period of time (perhaps a year, perhaps longer) the Edwards plan would empower the federal government to garnish an individual’s wages for purposes of collecting “back premiums with interest and collection costs.”

And he cares so much. Or cared. Or something.

2. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

Better than most as a baseline to be sure, but State Retirees in PA are being forced into privatized plans thanks to Rendell some textbook sized plan change and a 300 dollar fee attached..Rendell is from a wealthy union busting family out of the crooked garment district in New York….Edwards, like them all, offers the pat on the back with the inevitable goose in the ass along with it….The Elites are hell bent on identifying commonweal and quickly transfering it into private hands..Pensions, Mutual Insurance Co’s, Roads, Lotteries, etc..

Could you imagine if the rest of us ran our lives on the “not half bad”

Hey ho whoa, half the e-coli r was cooked off.

Sorry, we sawed off only one wrong limb.

3. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

Predictions: Jersey goes BO by narrow margin due too open primary, long poll hours, and disgust towards Corzine and Menendez, and brick wall economy for blue collar trades… enough factors to overcome the general Neanderthalism..

Oija Board says Obam by three or more in Cali. , as well as “watch your cholesterol”

4. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

Wow. Godzilla is fighting on the side of Christmas. That means Christmas has weapons of mass destruction and we can invade. Death to Christmas.

5. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

Predictions: Jersey goes BO by narrow margin due too open primary, long poll hours, and disgust towards Corzine and Menendez, and brick wall economy for blue collar trades… enough factors to overcome the general Neanderthalism..

And lots of indepedents and anti-war voters vote in the Republican primary and cast a vote for Ron Paul. Since it’s a winner take all primary, this means that they not only vote for an anti-abortion, anti-immigrant wingnut, the delegates goes to John McCain anyway.

The system is rigged. By voting you cast yourself in the roll of a senior citizen on the bus rolling to Atlantic City to play the slot machines.

6. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

I also think Mass is much tighter than the outsized Hill polls suggest..
I agree with the CW that says open primaries favor him…Oija Board now says “Chill. Who G-iv-e-s- a S-h-i…”

7. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

The debate on IOZ makes about as much sense as anything.


What the Mexicans are coming to take are our A: jobs B: Victory at the Alamo or C: welfare, as the case may be. My guess is that if one analyzed the porn industry the black man – white woman combination would be much more frequent than hispanic man – white woman

BTW, has anybody noticed that the number of Star Trek conventions has been declining ever since the beginning of suicide bombing on a mass scale in the late 90s?

I’m not saying it’s not a false correlation and a logical fallacy but I wonder if all those devout Islamic fundamentalists are going to have a little surprise coming when they’re greeted in the afterlife by overweight white males wearing spock ears and carrying plastic phasers.

8. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

LOL. By voting you cast yourself in the roll of a senior citizen on the bus rolling to Atlantic City to play the slot machines.- HC

But by voting, YOU KNOW you’re gonna get laid…LOL

9. marisacat - 5 February 2008


I have no idea out here… suspect it can go either way. And the delegate thing is so complicated and stupid and slow…………

She looked calmer on Letterman lst night than she did on Tavis last Friday or another interview of hers I caught over the weekend.

Conversely Michelle O looked pissed on the GMA interview Monday.

Who knows.

10. JJB - 5 February 2008

Obama’s been running commercials in the DC market, the VA primary is a week from today, maybe Maryland votes today, I don’t know and don’t much care. I’m used to political commercials being almost free of any kinds of policy specifics, but Obama’s are about the worst I’ve ever seen, with a recitation of a wish list that includes everything except extra presents under the Christmas tree. I’m holding out for the extra presents myself, and will not vote for him. I’m sure Godzilla would approve.

Actually, I plan to vote for Mike Gravel, if he’s still on the ballot, a “thank you!” for his vote against the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution those many years ago.

11. JJB - 5 February 2008

From Duncan Black:

As I wrote before, thinking about holding a pledge drive provided an opportunity to navel gaze about what blogs – and this blog – do and what role they currently play in our discourse. Without taking away from the activities other left wing media and interest groups, I think the lefty blogosphere has managed to create something which previously did not exist, a sustained and consistent liberal perspective on and critique of American politics and media.

It’s weird imagining the history of the last few years without blogs.. . . During the runup to the Iraq war, blogs and other internet news sources were practically the only places where most people could find people saying, basically, that this was bullshit, that Saddam was not a threat to the US, that Colin Powell’s vial was filled with talcum powder, etc.

It may be round and small, but that’s not your navel you’re staring at, Duncan.

W/r/t the runup to the war, blogs were useful as bulletin boards where people could post interesting information debunking Bushco.’s propaganda and lies. Those “other Internet news sources” you so casually mention were the prime sources of information, and without them the blogs would have been empty of content.

12. Intermittent Bystander - 5 February 2008

Gotta love a giant lizard in a pom-pom hat.

Obama’s people called me last night. Me: “Not a voter! Not a citizen! Best of luck!” (I didn’t mention anything about weapons or aim.) You too, Hillary! You too, Gravel! Go get ’em!

Happy Sooooooooooper Tuesday, everybody! Catch ya later, for the district and delegate math. . . .

13. wilfred - 5 February 2008

I think Godzilla ate Wall St. today, world markets are all downnnnnnnnnnnn

14. wilfred - 5 February 2008

It’s going to get very slimy later this year. From the LA Times (via TPM) and their working on an anti-Obama one too:


“Bossie’s group is challenging the law’s limits on its efforts to promote the movie and has appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. The litigation underscores the difficulty of drawing lines when money, politics and free-speech principles clash.

“Hillary: The Movie” includes a series of interviews with Clinton critics, including Ann Coulter, Newt Gingrich and Dick Morris. “If you want to hear about the Clinton scandals of the past and present, you have it here!,” Citizens United, Bossie’s group, says on its website.”

15. marisacat - 5 February 2008


just got your comment about Duncan out of Moderation… sorry for the delay…


but Obama’s are about the worst I’ve ever seen, with a recitation of a wish list that includes everything except extra presents under the Christmas tree… — JJB

ain’t it the truth. The last two days they added his one, that I call Change the World!, as that is the lst promise.


I feel that BOTH OF THEM were thrown at us, all but force feeding us hapless geese.

And I was paying attention in 2006 when the party farmed him out to stump for candidates… and his stump “tuff” for Harold Ford jr drove me insane. Thanks to C-Span I know this. His big line was that he was alone as the only Black in the senate, and please vote for HFjr so he would nto be so alone.

A lot gets said from stumps.. but no, that just did nto work.

16. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

CIA says used waterboarding three times

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The CIA on three occasions shortly after the September 11 attacks used a widely condemned interrogation technique known as waterboarding, CIA Director Michael Hayden told Congress on Tuesday.

“Waterboarding has been used on only three detainees,” Hayden told the Senate Intelligence Committee. It was the first time a U.S. official publicly specified the number of people subjected to waterboarding and named them.

Considering congress (including McCain) gave the CIA immunity from prosecution for torture, admitting that it was used 3 times (only 3 times, you say? yeah right) doesn’t mean shit. No one will be held responsible.

17. marisacat - 5 February 2008

Perez Hilton endorsed…………. Hillary. Well! She is sure to win now.

No question.

18. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Perez Hilton endorsed

But who will Paris endorse? Inquiring minds need to know.

19. cad - 5 February 2008

Oh no! Hillary just said that she and Obama would be debating on FOX news!

Somebody tell the Kos and His Kontrol Kops so they can prepare to savage Obama for going on FOX like Kucinich and therefore…what? What’s so funny? You mean Kos is a lying hypocrite? Ugh.

20. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

haha: Limbaugh Defends Clinton and Obama on Iraq

Talk show host Rush Limbaugh is so exasperated about Senator McCain’s surge in the Republican presidential contest that he is coming to the defense of Senators Clinton and Obama.

On Mr. Limbaugh’s program today, he said people should not be rushing to back Mr. McCain over issues of national security. The talk host said America’s direction in Iraq would not be substantially different even if Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama were elected. “They are not going to surrender the country to Islamic radicalism or the war in Iraq,” Mr. Limbaugh said after mentioning the two Democratic senators by name. “They are not going to do that to themselves, despite what their base says.

21. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

Huckabee Slogan of the Day:

Give Huck a Whirl If You Like Squirrel.

22. marisacat - 5 February 2008

Hey heh… just saw a headline at Halperin that McCain and Huck might have a WV deal to thrwart Romney.

Must be true:

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:



23. marisacat - 5 February 2008

One thing is sure, this run is going to leave marks on the R for a few years to come.

Whoever wins on the Dem side has to hve the strength to make McCain look old weak and mean. Play to his anger. Find the jugular.

Try not to be Edwards with Cheney…

24. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

I’m kind of lucky that there’s actually interesting stuff in Canadian politics happening live this afternoon so I don’t have to sit through the super Tuesday teeth gnashing and food fights on the US channels until the numbers start rolling in later. Even then, I’m sure the nite will be extremely confusing what with all of the convoluted math.

I’m still calling it for Hillary – “it” being winning overall: the popular vote.

25. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

I’m just not getting this wingnut hate for McCain. Yeah, they really wanted Duncan Hunter or Tancredo but comeon, McCain’s an anti-abortion, pro-Israel, authoritarian warmonger. What’s the problem?

26. marisacat - 5 February 2008

This is overkill but Marc Ambinder has a pretty clear succinct explanation of the delegate thing in Cali:

Delegates In California: A Caution

05 Feb 2008 09:00 am

If, in many congressional districts in California, a Democrat does not receive more than 62% of the vote, he or she will receive the same number of delegates from that CD as the he or she who finishes second. (Only Clinton and Obama will earn viability — above 15% in those CDs.)

Hence Hillary Clinton could win California by, say, 20 points… and take a sliver of a delegate advantage there.

This is intelligent design at work. The creators of the modern primary rules for the Democrats wanted to make sure that a diverse array of interests had their say. Well, now there are two candidates who are viable, who have lots of money, who have a diverse base of support… and the primary rules will be manifestly unfair to the supporters of one of them. (This is why I’ve been skeptical of the Obama campaign spin… yes, they’ll likely lose a number of states, but the delegate differences will be minuscule.)

Bob Mullholland, a very smart Democratic Party adviser in California, has calculated the exact percentages needed for one candidate to take an extra delegate from an even delegate congressional district.

“In the 26 congressional districts that are allocated four delegates, one candidate would have to get more than 62.500% of the vote, otherwise, both candidates will get two delegates each. In the six congressional districts that are allocated six delegates, one candidate would have to get more than 58.330% of the vote to get four delegates, otherwise each gets three delegates.”


27. marisacat - 5 February 2008


I think it might have something to do with his relationship to the media. he can always collar it for his own purposes.

Plus I always figure there is stuff we’d never figure out. Or I wouldn’t, their system, such as it is, is pretty opaque to me

28. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

The same people loved Giuliani. McCain’s a WASP Rudy. Once again, I don’t see the problem.

Well, aside from being a WASP Rudy who actually has a shot at the White House and starting a war with Iran (and Russia and China and North Korea and…..)

29. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

Not that I’m not enjoying it.

30. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008
31. marisacat - 5 February 2008

Once again, I don’t see the problem.

that is why I think there is a lot of personal pique involved.

32. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Olbermann went over the math involved last nite: video.

33. lucid - 5 February 2008

Where’s lucid? Joan Baez is in.

Oh, the horror, the horror. I never thought she’d do it…

Anyhow, I was in Costa Rica, since you asked.

34. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

31. I think McCain’s bipartisanship is one of the main factors, even though that’s been quite limited. It goes against the Bush “my way or the highway” mantra.

35. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Anyhow, I was in Costa Rica,

Bastard!! (How was it?)

36. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

that is why I think there is a lot of personal pique involved.

You mean like McCain got drunk at a party one night and said something like this to Limbaugh:

“Fuck off you fat draft dodging fuck. I was being tortured in Vietnam when you were hitting on hippie girls and nursing the pimple on your ass”.

37. lucid - 5 February 2008

Fun. Warm. Relaxing. And replete with the worst air pollution I’ve ever encountered [since coming back I’ve been hacking my lungs up].

38. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

And replete with the worst air pollution I’ve ever encountered

Really? That’s truly disturbing. I’ve always heard that Costa Rica was a great place for a vacation.

39. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

15% of Canadians would rather vote in U.S. election?

Really. Best case scenario — You guys are stuck with the clueless asshole neighbor. Worse case, we’re the deranged abusive fucks with a substance abuse problem given to shooting off weapons while habitually shitting in the backyard… How very charming, I’m sure…
And thats what you CAN see…

And while We may not have decent health care, a less violent society, better stewardship of the environment, and better all around quality of life, we at least have our cluelessness goin for us. We got THAT workin for us….At best…

Send Help…Liberate us.

40. lucid - 5 February 2008

It is – out on the coasts. It’s getting there that is the problem. The trucking between San Jose and Limon, in particular, is heinous – and all the trucks are these ancient, black exhaust blowing things. They also burn all their trash, including plastic, everywhere. Within 5 minutes of exiting the airport in San Jose, I had a sore throat – and I’m a smoker from NYC.

41. marisacat - 5 February 2008

“Fuck off you fat draft dodging fuck. I was being tortured in Vietnam when you were hitting on hippie girls and nursing the pimple on your ass”. McCain to Rush, via HCfM

LOL yeah something like that.

And to Ann C he said,

I got a better blonde than you bitch. No Adam’s Apple.


And I don’t think either of us is exaggerating (I cannot spell that word right ever).

42. JJB - 5 February 2008

The DJIA lost 370 points today.

More from Duncan Black:

I can honestly say that if I had to pull the lever today I wouldn’t quite know what to do. I find myself cheering on Obama somewhat, but most of that is just my knee-jerk tendency to support the underdog. As he becomes less of an underdog, my support wanes.

Gravel on the ballot anywhere?

In spite of that, I still intend to vote for the former Alaska senator.

43. marisacat - 5 February 2008


such a fucking trooper:

NEW YORK (CNN) — These very long nights happen every few years. I remember staying up all night in November 2000, wondering out loud on television whether George W. Bush or Al Gore would be the next President. We anchored our coverage that night from the CNN Center in Atlanta. And the next day, I flew to Tallahassee to cover the Florida recount. /snip/

Yes that Wolfie. [off political ticker]

44. lucid - 5 February 2008

These very long nights happen every few years.

Aren’t you paid 7 figures per annum for that asshole? Why not try working 80 hours a week at labor intensive minimum wage jobs for a month to pay your rent and keep your lights turned on…

45. wu ming - 5 February 2008

it should be amusing to watch the pundits churn as they wait for the votes to be counted. thank goodness deb bowen got rid of the voting machines, a lot of counties will be forced to count the paper ballots by hand, in a record turnout election.

the delegate math is insane.

46. marisacat - 5 February 2008

apparently it happens ALL TH TIME, as he goes on. And on….


47. marisacat - 5 February 2008

also from Political Ticker:

UPDATE: Huckabee spokesman Jim Pinkerton has released the following statement:

“Mike Huckabee is the best communicator in the party—in the country. If people get to know him, they will vote for him. Just as they did in West Virginia. Which, of course, has a great tradition of being a key primary state.”

OR, they too like squirrel!

48. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

McJoan Original Reporting/ “Activism”:


Jason Altmire (PA-4), Phone: (202) 225-2565
Roscoe Bartlett (MD-6), Phone: (202) 225-2721
Leonard Boswell (IA-3), Phone: (202) 225-3806
Emanuel Cleaver (MO-5), Phone: (202) 225-4535
John Dingell (MI-15), Phone: (202) 225-4071
Keith Ellison (MN-5), Phone: (202) 225-4755
Wayne Gilchrest (MD-1), Phone: (202) 225-5311
Jane Harman (CA-36), Phone: (202) 225 8220
Baron Hill (IN-9), Phone: (202) 225-5315
Steny Hoyer (MD-5), Phone: (202) 225-4131
Paul Hodes (NH-2), Phone: (202) 225-5206
Bob Inglis (SC-4), Phone: (202) 225-6030
Sheila Jackson Lee (TX-18), Phone: (202) 225-3816
Walter Jones (NC-3), Phone: (202) 225-3415
Barbara Lee (CA-9), Phone: (202) 225-2661
Dave Loebsack (IA-2), Phone: (202) 225-6576
Ed Markey (MA-7), Phone: 202-225-2836
Dennis Moore (KS-3), Phone: (202) 225-2865
Patrick Murphy (PA-8), Phone: (202) 225-4276
Jerry Nadler (NY-8), Phone: (202) 225-5635
Sylvester Reyes (TX-16), Phone: (202) 225-4831
Dutch Ruppersberger (MD-2), Phone: (202) 225-3061
Jan Schakowsky (IL-9), Phone: (202) 225-2111 F
Adam Schiff (CA-29), Phone: (202) 225-4176
Joe Sestak (PA-7), Phone: (202) 225-2011
Heath Shuler (NC-11), Phone: (202) 225-6401
Louise Slaughter (NY-28), Phone: (202) 225-3615
Zack Space (OH-18), Phone: (202) 225-6265
Bart Stupak (MI-1), Phone: (202) 225 4735
Bennie Thompson (MS-2), Phone: (202) 225-5876
Mike Thompson (CA-1), Phone: (202) 225-3311
Maxine Waters (CA-35), Phone: (202) 225-2201
Tim Walz (MN-1), Phone: (202) 225-2472
Diane Watson (CA-33), Phone: (202) 225-7084
John Yarmuth (KY-3), Phone: (202) 225-5401

49. marisacat - 5 February 2008

As in, not too excited about the Big Big Big Primary Day and all that CHANGE:

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:



50. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

So why are they letting this stuff come out now?


Maybe the elites are gettting ready to throw the Republicans under the bus.

Then again the stuff on Sandy Berger isn’t exactly flattering either. It seems he was stealing and destroying documents to cover up Clinton fuckups, not just taking xerox copies home with him.

51. cad - 5 February 2008

Oh Kos and sheep are getting pwned:


And btw, I live in Los Angeles.

Who the hell to vote for?

52. marisacat - 5 February 2008

oh the visions….

The Archives staff became alarmed early on, in one of the early visits, that something was wrong.

He—Berger kept making frequent trips to the men’s room, seemingly that were unnecessary. One staffer sees him in the hallway with what appears to be papers rolled around his socks.

The Archives staff figures they’ve got to sort of test Berger, and they begin numbering the documents.

If only Peter Sellars were alive to play the hapless bumbling former high high level staffer for The Clintons.

53. marisacat - 5 February 2008

if anyone can stand it… (possibly not, LOL) but Ambinder has a quick easy tip sheet on the primary states, also for some big states the racial breakdown (CA is 6% AA but 32% Latino).

54. marisacat - 5 February 2008

The Polls Predict … ???

By Eric Kleefeld – February 5, 2008, 9:01AM

So what do the final polls forecast for today? Well, the predictions for the key states are that Hillary Clinton will win California and Missouri — and that Barack Obama will win California and Missouri:


SurveyUSA: Clinton 52%, Obama 42%

Zogby: Obama 49%, Clinton 36%


SurveyUSA: Clinton 54%, Obama 43%

Zogby: Obama 45%, Clinton 42%

So there you have it: Two pollsters, each with pretty good track records, giving wildly different poll results for today. Obviously they can’t both be right, and there’s at least a decent chance that they’re both wrong. We’ll find out the truth of the matter tonight.

Late Update: Another thing to consider is that a large number of ballots have already been cast by mail. SurveyUSA gives those to Hillary by a wide margin, while the widely respected Field Poll registered a one-point edge to … Obama. In short, there simply isn’t any real way to know right now if any of these polls are accurately predicting the outcome.

55. NYCO - 5 February 2008

Well my head nearly exploded, but I arrived at a voting booth choice today that gave me inner peace.

The thing is folks… no matter WHO you vote for, big change is a-comin’. I don’t even think there’s anything you can do in a voting booth, that’s going to make it any easier. I almost think this primary is the biggest trick question American politics has ever seen. Did anyone follow the stock market today? Everything feeds on everything else and there is really no knowing what came first, the chicken or the egg.

Whoever you vote for. It’s okay. Really. This country is in a different place, the forces of change have been set in motion, and as long as you keep the right SPIRIT in your political activities, that is really the bottom line. At this juncture, whatever fanny is warming the seat at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is not really the whole point.

Keep your powder dry, folks — today and tomorrow.

56. D. Throat - 5 February 2008

People are shocked shocked I tell that Hilary WANTS to debate on Fox. Hmmmm…. I wonder why???

Times: Murdoch and Hillary Divorce

Monday, February 4, 2008 1:58 PM

Former Hillary Clinton supporter Rupert Murdoch left no doubt that he’s turned against Hillary when his New York Post ran a Page One announcement endorsing her rival Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination.

The Post’s scathing anti-Clinton editorial was a 180 degree turnaround from just two years ago when Murdoch — head of the News Corporation — endorsed Hillary’s Senate re-election effort and even held a fundraiser for her campaign.

But a New York Times analysis of the Post’s Obama endorsement suggests that payback may have been a motive.

Apparently Murdoch was not happy when Clinton joined other Democratic candidates, led by then candidate John Edwards, in boycotting planned debates to be sponsored by Fox News, another News Corp. holding.

“Fox News and the Post are corporate siblings, although they’re not particularly close,” The New York Times reported. “Still, Mr. Murdoch certainly took note of the fact that the courtesies extended to Mrs. Clinton — a muted presence in the gossip columns of [the Post’s] Page Six, more balance in the news pages — did not seem to be returned in kind.”

57. ms_xeno - 5 February 2008

#39 – I was hoping to be liberated by Scandanavians. My cats dig herring and I do occasionally see a piece of Ikea* that doesn’t make me roll my eyes.

*Not a paid endorsement.

Or maybe by Belgium. Awesome architecture and good beer.

58. marisacat - 5 February 2008

I almost think this primary is the biggest trick question American politics has ever seen. Did anyone follow the stock market today? Everything feeds on everything else and there is really no knowing what came first, the chicken or the egg.

LOL agree on the trick question as key signal for this primary.

Oh yes………. the market dropped, 370 at close… and whatever more in after hours.


59. ms_xeno - 5 February 2008

Welcome back, lucid. Drink this hot soup. It’s homemade. 😉

60. marisacat - 5 February 2008

Al and GA close in an hour.

61. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Your liberation has been postponed. I’m kind of busy today. 😉

62. NYCO - 5 February 2008

So did anyone read the (most e-mailed) NYT story today about how the American consumer is now “paying as they go”?


Key passage:

“We live in a small town, and everybody looks at your clothes and what you drive and where you have your hair done,” said Ms. Gamble, who earns about $2,600 a month as a grievance counselor at a local prison. Now, she and her husband — a prison guard who brings home $2,000 a month — are grappling with $10,000 in high-interest debt. They no longer go to the movies or out to eat, except occasionally to McDonald’s. They quit their Internet service. Their car was repossessed. “What we say now is, ‘If we can’t afford it, we can’t buy it,’ ” Ms. Gamble said.

And when she looks across the street at that Cadillac, her envy has been replaced by pity for the neighbor on the hook.

“I say, ‘Oh my, you’re living here, and driving that? There’s got to be something wrong,’ ” Ms. Gamble said. “ ‘You’re in debt, and you’re in trouble.’ ”

Everything in this whole sorry situation we’re living in, rests upon Ms. Gamble (i.e. “all of us”) looking at a Cadillac (or Lexus, or Hummer, or large flatscreen TV, or nice new McMansion out in the exurbs) and seeing something enviable. When Ms. Gamble sees a Cadillac and sees only DEBT… the spell is broken.

It’s going to take a while for the people on top to realize they’re having a Wile E. Coyote moment, too.

It is so ironic, that Mrs. Clinton is selling herself as the candidate of security, when she stands on the shaky platform built by Reagan, her husband, and both the Bushes; while equally ironic that Mr. Obama is selling himself as the candidate of “change,” when the changes that are coming have nothing to do with him, and certainly will not be set into motion by him.

63. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Keith O’s delegate math. (video)

64. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008
65. lucid - 5 February 2008

thanx ms_x… since rehearsal just canceled, I realize that I can now go to my buddy’s super-Tuesday party, get drunk & be tasered by hard-core Democrats about my leaving the party again… [and not voting today]. Oh joy. But, hell, maybe the vino will make the hack go away . 😉

66. wu ming - 5 February 2008

i totally agree, NYCO.

67. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Mike Gravel: You’ll Never Walk Alone 😉

68. D. Throat - 5 February 2008

Early, Early Exit Polls

First Wave Numbers

California: Clinton 50, Obama 47
New Mexico: Obama 52, Clinton 47
Utah: Obama 61, Clinton 40

Second Wave Numbers

Alabama: Obama 60, Clinton 37
Arizona: Obama 51, Clinton 45
Arkansas: Clinton 72, Obama 26
Connecticut: Obama 53, Clinton 45
Delaware: Obama 56, Clinton 42
Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26
Illinois: Obama 70, Clinton 30
Massachusetts: Obama 50, Clinton 48
Missouri: Obama 50, Clinton 46
New Jersey: Obama 53, Clinton 47
New York: Clinton 56, Obama 43
Oklahoma: Clinton 61, Obama 31
Tennessee: Clinton 52, Obama 41.1

69. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Huckster supporters: “We need God in our governments”

Who are these hicks??

70. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26

So much for Obama’s southern strategy.

71. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

The BBC has an interactive map. Oooo…ahhhh….

72. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Bay Buchanan on MSNBC: Huckabee is “this ambitious little sidekick of John McCain’s”.

73. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

Bay Buchanan is on Hardball accusing Huckabee of betraying the holy fetus. Jesus is somewhere banging his head on the desk.

74. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

73. lol…”unborn”. Drink!!

75. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

She’s completely rabid.

76. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

Democrats, Republicans, they’re all a bunch of Gollums fighting over the ring.

The Prescious!!!!

77. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

“Conservatives don’t do pre-emptive wars.” What planet is she from?

78. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

“Conservatives don’t do pre-emptive wars.” What planet is she from?

One where there are no Mexicans, blacks still have to sit in the back of the bus, and Catholic services are still read in Latin of course.

79. marisacat - 5 February 2008

betraying the holy fetus

wonder how you do that when you are for a Const Amendment to protect life from the twinkle in th eye point.


80. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

wonder how you do that when you are for a Const Amendment to protect life from the twinkle in th eye point.gah

She’s accusing Huckabee of throwing the nomination to McCain (whom she considers insufficienly pro fetus).

81. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

One where there are no Mexicans, blacks still have to sit in the back of the bus, and Catholic services are still read in Latin of course.

No doubt. She’s completely unhinged. If Romney loses, may she crawl under that rock she emerged from.

82. marisacat - 5 February 2008

oh Ok well I get it now. In a crazy Bay Buchanan way… what a nutter.

83. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

pollster.com just started its live blogging.

84. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

Personally I’m dissappointed in Bay’s Catholic liberalism.

In my day Catholics stood by their principles. They burned heretics like Mormons at the stake.


85. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

Yeh I was watching that Bay Buchannan fucking melt down on MSNBC over her boy Romney turnin up as the dead bro in the McCain and Abel story…LOL
There are few things more satisfying than watching whacked hacks squirm…

As for Ridge…he’ll be on a McCain short list for VP, would help him in swing state PA, Catholics, Mil Worship etc…

86. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

MSNBC: Obama wins GA

87. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Georgia: Obama 75, Clinton 26

D’oh! I read that one completely backwards. This is going to be a long nite. I need more sugar.

88. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

It seems as if the squirrel killer is doing better than expected.

Go Jesus.

89. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Reuters is posting live updates.

90. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Go Jesus.

On both sides.

91. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

Wow. You guys catchin these breakdowns out of Georgia…
Hillary is in traaahhhhh-ble..

92. wilfred - 5 February 2008

#62 NYCO:
NY Magazine’s cover story this week is on the Recession and how to live on less, check it out online.

93. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008
94. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

I can’t find any popular vote numbers for GA.

95. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

BO apparantly took @45% of the white GA vote, 86% AA.

Hillary is now forcing Bill’s bare bottom into a pair of chaps and picking up the paddle…

96. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Should we be trusting these results since they’re based on exit polls?

97. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

Hillary is now forcing Bill’s bare bottom into a pair of chaps and picking up the paddle…

Well that should teach me not to eat while I’m at the computer.

98. D. Throat - 5 February 2008

Outrageous exit polls in Georgia:

63% of Dem voters were women and of those

64% Obama
34% Clinton

I think Hil cried wolf once too many times.


What would be even more interesting is to see the GOP side and to see if Georgia could become the second southern state to be in play in the general.

99. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Hmmm…via Ambinder:

Fellow journalists and pundits. I have the same data you have… and I would just remind all of you that the first wave of exit poll data is not reportable or reported for a simple reason: the sample sizes are not large enough to accurately tell us much of anything, unless one candidate is getting, like, 80% of the vote.

I guess that answers my question.

100. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

Menendez in NJ saying record turnout, downlaying NJ as bellwether, basically says fuck it, he’ll vote for Hill regardless. LOL. Fuck You, Barack Voters …

101. NYCO - 5 February 2008

I think NY Magazine’s readership probably is now more seriously pondering whether they should buy Gucci OR Prada (as opposed to Gucci AND Prada). Kind of not my problem… but thanks…

102. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

Menendez in NJ saying record turnout

Miami Cuban Born in New Jersey of Dubious Ethics

Maybe they can wheel out Lautenburg and he can start calling Arabs devils while he drools on himself.

103. NYCO - 5 February 2008

Seriously though folks… it’s Georgia. You didn’t really think they were going to go for Hill, did ya?

Also, are they breaking those votes down by white-collar/blue-collar? I’d be interested to see what Obama’s support is among blue-collar workers.

104. Intermittent Bystander - 5 February 2008

I heard some craaazy things on the radio, today. Reasons why people are voting this or that.

I think the winner was a caller-in to WAMC this morning. She won’t vote for Hillary, ’cause she and Bill “stole the silver from the WH when they left.,” and she’s pulling the lever for Obama because she saw somewhere his favorite novel is Moby Dick.

All righty then!

105. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

You didn’t really think they were going to go for Hill, did ya?

I wasn’t really paying attention. [insert handy excuse about being a Canadian here]

106. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

Menendez , Torricelli before him, really quintessential crooked hacks…

107. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

So, I guess the Huckster is the new Nader now?

108. NYCO - 5 February 2008

I’ll never forget tuning in to the Saturday morning C-SPAN call-in show a few years ago and hearing some Southern lady offering her well reasoned opinions on terrorism. Hillary was mentioned. “Whah, she could be wun of the terrrrists!”

I kid you not. That’s exactly what the caller said. This was maybe around the start of the Iraq war.

109. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

Menendez , Torricelli before him, really quintessential crooked hacks

And Torricelli was at least partly behind the sliming of Dean in and around Iowa in 2004.

Too bad they didn’t strap him down to Ground Zero in October of 2001. After all, Christie Whitman said it was safe.

110. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

Where the hell does C-SPAN find the number of utter morons they do? My family is lousy with white trash cracker racist wingnuts but I have yet to run across anybody as brain dead as the typical C-SPAN caller.

111. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

I used to listen to local right-wing talk radio here until I was at risk of Permanent Dropped Jaw Disorder.

112. D. Throat - 5 February 2008

I’d be interested to see what Obama’s support is among blue-collar workers.

It is all here 6 pages of exit polls:

Obama wins ALL income levels and education levels

113. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Hey. I thought Paul Begala had been nixed from election coverage on CNN – yet there he is.

114. Intermittent Bystander - 5 February 2008

I’m confused about all the McCain-hating too. I’d enjoy it more if I didn’t hear so many so-called Dem folks on the radio declaring they’ll probably vote for him, if Hillary gets the nom.

WV (channeling BHHM) sez:

Butter the squirrel!
Huck’s our pearl!

115. NYCO - 5 February 2008

Hey cool, they’re still tracking Edwards!

116. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

NBc projections:

Ill – Obama

OK – Clinton

117. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

Seriously though folks… it’s Georgia. You didn’t really think they were going to go for Hill, did ya? – NYCO

No. It’s the splits beyond par.
Hillary ops would say a fair confirming test will be Alabama where AA is at @1/3 rather than half as in GA. We’ll see. Still I think those margins in GA are outsized vs. previous “CW”…whatever that is/was

118. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Ill – McCain

NJ – McCain

Mass – The Mittster

Conn – McCain

119. NYCO - 5 February 2008

I’ll be interested to see what if any traction Clinton loses in Upstate New York.

120. NYCO - 5 February 2008

Except the network exit polls probably won’t break it down that way. Every time NY is colored some color on a map, the real picture is always screwed up and all skewed by the New York City vote, very hard to get any instant reading of how Hillary really plays in the purple lands.

121. D. Throat - 5 February 2008

Ill Dem women vote:

67% Obama
32% Clinton

122. D. Throat - 5 February 2008
123. Intermittent Bystander - 5 February 2008

118 – Anecdotally, I’m getting that a lot of people really don’t wanna send Bill back to DC. Oh, and they think she’s smart, and well-intentioned, but they (a) they can’t forgive Iraq or (b) they don’t really like her. Plus, (c) Obama looks like the better chance for ch-ch-ch-change . . . etc.

Definitely a gender gap, though.

Agree the state results will be fun to peruse.

124. NYCO - 5 February 2008

Thanks D Throat.

Although I note that the NY Democratic Party can’t even spell the names of some Upstate counties correctly. Par…

125. Intermittent Bystander - 5 February 2008

Thanks, DT. Polls don’t close here till 9 (45 minutes out).

126. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

NBC projects Tenn for H.

127. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

Now Hillary’s peeps are saying “not surprised” GA is more “traditional”
when asked about white men demographics. Yeh the white male vote in GA traditionally flocks to black males….

As for the demographics by race and gender seems to me factored in against age and overall turnout they tend to diminish…

Anyways MSNBC just called Tennessee for Hill..

128. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

It’s Mardi Gras in NOLA.

129. wilfred - 5 February 2008

NYCO, not one person i know who reads New York Mag owns Gucci or Prada. Even Vanity Fair has good articles on a variety of subjects (i don’t subscribe to any magazines at the moment). Open your mind a bit and read the article, Madman sent it to me by the way, but then again we know what a Gucci hound he is!

130. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

lol…if McCain is Lazarus, Huckabee’s Jesus (since he saved McCain tonite) – according to Tweety.

131. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

NYCO, not one person i know who reads New York Mag owns Gucci or Prada.

But they own plenty of neuroses. It’s the standard in flight magazine in the waiting room of almost every therapist in the country. Don’t ask me why.

132. cad - 5 February 2008

The logic of the average Kossack is staggering:

As has already been made clear… (0 / 0)
…by no less than Kos himself, there’s a difference between making an appearance on Fox, and legitimizing Fox News by agreeing to a presidential debate in their forum.

It’s not the same thing.

by Jonathan on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 04:52:11 PM PST

Really? Because Brit Hume framing one on one questions to foul up candidates is so different than a debate question?

When Kos puts out his dumb words, boy do the sheep line up.

133. marisacat - 5 February 2008

I slpt from 4 – 5 pacific time, so catching up…

134. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

When I think about it with all the hype and hooey, Mr Charisma can’t put away a dowdy frump, and Mrs Globally Known “Experience” can’t put down a freshman Senator on the Make… WHY? Because fundamentally, SUBSTANTIALLY, and systemically there is no fucking difference between them and there bland initiatives, they are hidebound to a party apparatus that ensures this stasis. After all the money, gush, and blogslobber, the party hacks who hadn’t definitively brokered the deal in the front end get a second bite at the apple to do so in the end….It’s a charade…

135. Intermittent Bystander - 5 February 2008

I see the original SYFPH author has a rec’d Exit Polls Edition. Proudly includes a link to the Original Recipe, too!

136. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

NBC projects Hill in Arkansas along with the Huckster.

137. Intermittent Bystander - 5 February 2008

After all the money, gush, and blogslobber, the party hacks who hadn’t definitively brokered the deal in the front end get a second bite at the apple to do so in the end….It’s a charade…

It’s 11 o’clock. Do you know where your superdelegate is?

138. Intermittent Bystander - 5 February 2008

McCain projected to win Delaware, the Usury State.

139. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

I’m shuddering – seeing McCain’s name and face all across America. It’s like a premonition that he’ll win the GE.

140. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Romney’s new strategy: Militant Squirrels Against Huckabee

141. NYCO - 5 February 2008

President McCain would be like a doddering old lamb to the slaughter. Wow, I would actually feel sorry for the guy.

142. Hair Club for Men - 5 February 2008

Holy Fuck Richardson grew a beard.

143. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Wow, I would actually feel sorry for the guy.

I wouldn’t. He’s asked for the incoming fire (literally). He knows what he’s up against.

144. Intermittent Bystander - 5 February 2008
145. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

143. rofl…too cute. 🙂

146. marisacat - 5 February 2008

The Squirrel won AL

147. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

Mass called for Hillary.

148. Madman in the Marketplace - 5 February 2008

my take on stupor Tuesday, with a hat-tip to HCfM’s piece from yesterday.

149. marisacat - 5 February 2008

NBC just called MASS for HIllary.

New Thread:


150. Intermittent Bystander - 5 February 2008

144 – Had to snag it when I saw it a couple of weeks ago.

Apparently Alabama is short of bushy-tailed rodents. . . for one (pop! pop!) reason or other.


151. liberalcatnip - 5 February 2008

As one of MSNBC’s commentators said: Hillary wins The Kennedy’s state. Ouch.

152. BooHooHooMan - 5 February 2008

As far as I can tell, the Primaries are in a phase where Hill and BO
are now locked into a Porta Potty together. From the outside, we can hear the brawl going inside and see the door rattling. Amidst the spectacle, the door flies open occasionally whereby dung covered spouses inexplicably are ejected from within,– at other moments with the door a flappin, the candidates are spotted briefly in the doorway with phoney hand waves and gritted teeth smiles of mutual admiration. It continues, as the shithouse wobbles and gyrates in the dusty sandlot to the howls and furious armpit scratching of orangutans gathered on both sides…

Seriously, the best place to be is in the popcorn business…

153. Miss Devore - 5 February 2008

62–my new digs in “affordable housing” have been an eye-opener for me–I’m in the parking space next to the newer Lexus with my ’87 Mazda. I have only seen one car the age of mine. And since I’ve started noticing, I see almost no old cars in the entire city. Unless people are living in them!

95. BHHM, lol. I read somewhere that Bill’s recent pilgrimages to AA churches labeled as “the mea culpa tour”

I need serious laughs-I am so swamped, I listen to my voicemails and end up saying “that would great, thanks alot” to the recording.

I made my first video last night (for a class I am taking). There is some resemblance to the camera work in Bjork’s “Dancer in the Dark” , though the content is not as dreary. Let’s just say it is a filming of an evening dogwalk that might be labeled “Dumper in the Dark”.

The rain has finally stopped here in the South Bay.

154. Intermittent Bystander - 5 February 2008

(PS: No offense intended, Southern friends. Go ahead . . . make a joke about blizzards or longjohns!)

Congrats on the mooooovie, Miss D!

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