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Music 18 February 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

     Bromley illustration, Financial Times

The illustration rides over this Clive Crook opinion piece, which is not such a much, I don’t think….

Snagged from Ben Smith at Politico:

Public Policy Polling–which has had a pretty good record this cycle in New York, Tennessee, Georgia, and South Carolina–has Obama leading the Wisconsin primary by 13.

ARG, which has had a bit of a rough cycle, has Hillary up 6.

Obama’s internals allegedly have him down by only 7 in Ohio.




1. NYCee - 18 February 2008

I wonder how much juice the Republicans are going to crank out in back (but very accessible) channels re Barack Hussein Obama is a (scary! scary!) Muslim… and to what effect.

I was treated to lunch in Chinatown this weekend by some people, very sweet people, from my work realm… immigrants without much English, from Burma and Thailand, Chinese in origin. They were curious as to how I felt about Hillary. I told them, as best I could, about the IWR and her behavior around it. I said I preferred Obama because he spoke out against the war before it was launched, around the same time she voted for it. I said I was more willing to give him a shot than her. They are all against the war and frowned to hear this about Hillary.

One woman, who spoke the most English, said she really likes the way Obama speaks, but isnt he a Muslim? She was very concerned about this… I thought she said she is afraid of Muslims. I explained his background, African, Muslim heritage on the father’s side, (I thought the father was Muslim but it was the grandfather), and that he is a practicing Christian. I said that he lived in a Muslim country, Indonesia, etc etc. I intended to probe for this fear thing more, but the conversation (despite the limited English, a big group and much to say!) was so all over the place, the intention got subsumed. But it makes me think of the internet smear machine, wondering if that is where she found this. There are callers into Cspan who bring this fear fiction up about Obama, at least one caller each time I listen to Washington Journal.

I think the GOP will find Obama-As(scary!scary!)-Muslim irresistible grist for some good old fashioned fearmongering.

Ho… just found this while googling around, from MediaMatters, Juan Williams, gentle NPR moonlighter…

On the January 21 edition of Fox Broadcasting Co.’s Fox News Sunday, National Public Radio senior correspondent and Fox News contributor Juan Williams noted that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) “comes from a father who was a Muslim” and added that “given that we’re at war with Muslim extremists, that presents a problem.”

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 February 2008

Gitmo’s torturers decry negative portrayal of gulag in new Harold and Kumar comedy

The next installment in the Harold and Kumar franchise is called “Harold and Kumar Escape From Guantánamo Bay,” in which our lovable heroes end up in America’s gulag when someone overhears them talking about “bongs” and thinks they’re talking about “bombs.” The criminals who run the prison camp on behalf of the US government evince distress at this because they hope that the world will see the secret prison as a clean, well-run, efficient gaol (filled with people so dangerous that they can’t be convicted of any crime).
The focus on Guantánamo as a creative subject can lead to distortions, Admiral Buzby said. “It’s as if someone turned up the gain on our life to make it sound really bad.”

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 February 2008


You know, Dachau was a clean and modern detention camp once upon a time. It is neither the cleanliness nor the modernity that defines the place, but the detention. There are perfectly sterile, orderly, well-run, brightly lit abbatoirs; none of those adjectives alters the fact that throats are slit and blood drained into bins on the floor.

Since there seems to be confusion on the point, I’ll elaborate. In many aspects of our empire, we seem to believe that qualitative improvements will obviate categorical wrongs. Thus the prevalence of the idea that the “success” of the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan has some bearing on their rightness or wrongness, or the idea that the “humaneness” with which we treat our prisoners somehow negates the fact that we have imprisoned them beyond hope of release or appeal.

4. JJB - 18 February 2008

Musharraff has just had his head handed to him — metaphorically speaking, of course:

Pakistanis dealt a crushing defeat to President Pervez Musharraf in parliamentary elections Monday, in what government and opposition politicians said was a firm rejection of his policies since 2001 and those of his close ally, the United States.

Almost all the leading figures in the Pakistan Muslim League-Q, the party that has governed for the last five years under Mr. Musharraf, lost their seats, including the leader of the party, Chaudhry Shujaat Hussein, the former speaker of parliament, Chaudhry Amir Hussein, and six ministers.

Though official results would not be announced until Tuesday, early returns indicated that the vote would usher in a prime minister from one of the opposition parties, and opened the prospect of a parliament that would move to undo many of Mr. Musharraf’s policies and that may even try to remove him.

The early edge went to the opposition Pakistan Peoples Party, which seemed to benefit from a strong wave of sympathy in reaction to the assassination of its leader, Benazir Bhutto, eight weeks ago, and may be in a position to form the next government.

The results were interpreted here as a repudiation of Mr. Musharraf as well as the Bush administration, which has staunchly backed Mr. Musharraf for eight years as its best bet in the campaign against the Islamic militants in Pakistan. American officials will have little choice now but to seek alternative allies from among the new political forces emerging from the vote.

Politicians and party workers from Mr. Musharraf’s party said the vote was a protest against government policies and the rise in terrorism here, in particular against Mr. Musharraf’s heavy handed way of dealing with militancy and his use of the army against tribesmen in the border areas and against militants in a siege at the Red Mosque here in the capital last summer that left more than 100 dead.

Others said Mr. Musharraf’s dismissal last year of the Supreme Court chief justice, Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry, who remains under house arrest, was deeply unpopular with the voters.

Mr. Musharraf, who stepped down as army chief last November after being re-elected to another five-year term, has seen his standing plummet as the country has faced a determined insurgency by the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and a deteriorating economy.

By association, his party suffered badly. The two main opposition parties — the Pakistan Peoples Party and the Pakistan Muslim League-N of former prime minister Nawaz Sharif — surged into the gap.


From unofficial results the private news channel, Aaj Television, forecast that the Pakistan Peoples Party would win 110 seats in the 272-seat national assembly, with Mr. Sharif’s Pakistan Muslim League-N taking 100 seats.

Mr. Musharraf’s party, the Pakistan Muslim League-Q, was crushed, holding on to just 20 to 30 seats. Early results released by the state news agency, the Associated Press of Pakistan, also showed the Pakistan Peoples Party to be leading in the number of seats in the national assembly.

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6. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 February 2008
7. wu ming - 18 February 2008

good to see mush lose big. not that the opposition parties are any less wretched, but it’s always nice to see a dictator given his comeuppance.

8. wilfred - 18 February 2008

#2 That was the front page story in the Times today.

Can’t wait for Harold and Kumar 2, should be loads of fun.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 February 2008

I put something up at LSF about the primary “choice” here in WI tomorrow.

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 February 2008
11. BooHooHooMan - 18 February 2008

Sully just said on Mahrer

“I’m for Obama because I wanna win the war.”

12. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2008

US drops Africa military HQ plan

The US military has decided to keep the headquarters of its new Africa Command in Germany, after only one African nation, Liberia, offered to host it.
There has been concern that Africom is really an attempt to protect US oil and mineral interests in Africa, amid growing competition for resources from Asian economies, says the BBC’s Alex Last in the Nigerian capital Abuja.

Then there are fears about the continent being drawn into the US war on terror, our correspondent ads.

Gen Ward said Africom was not about militarisation but consolidating existing operations under one single command, while helping Africans with military training and supporting peacekeeping and aid operations.

Viva Africa. Nobody’s buying Bush’s bullshit anymore.

13. wu ming - 18 February 2008

i suspect the big difference in africa is that there’s no regional power that smaller countries are willing to use the states to act as a hedge against. korea, japan and taiwan tend to be friendly with the states because of china. eastern europe is more willing to let us have bases because of russia. it’s a dumb strategy IMO, but rational enough if you think there’s a chance the powerful neighbor is more likely to give you trouble than the far-off hegemon. same logic that tributary countries used with imperial ones, back in the day.

but africa doesn’t have that, so they’re less likely to offer bases.

here’s hoping the african countries get it together enough to form ranks against us. south america looks like it’s pretty well along on that road, i suspect the failed coup against chavez was the tipping point.

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 18 February 2008

but africa doesn’t have that, so they’re less likely to offer bases.

Well, and I think that centuries of being raped by colonizers and then by the World Bank and IMF play a part, too.

15. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2008

I posted too soon. It’s not just Bush’s bullshit, Obama’s also on board for AFRICOM:

AFRICOM, the new unified command, should serve to coordinate and synchronize our military activities with our other strategic objectives in Africa. Working under the foreign policy leadership of the State Department, this command should help to integrate military (especially non-lethal capabilities) with all the other elements of US power and diplomacy. AFRICOM should promote a more united and coordinated engagement plan for Africa.
Security cooperation at the AU and national level is extremely important, and the US military has made great strides in this area. This effort must be matched by a similar interagency commitment to enhance and fund a more robust “stability cooperation” program. Increased security depends on better governance and plans for long-term stability that foster a believable hope among Africans that tomorrow will be better. This means cleaner water, adequate food, better schools, available and affordable healthcare, improved infrastructure and communications, more employment opportunities, human rights, and total gender equality.
There will be situations that require the United States to work with its partners in Africa to fight terrorism with lethal force. Having a unified command operating in Africa will facilitate this action. That means AFRICOM must forge genuine military partnerships that are predicated on mutual respect and responsibility. There must be joint training exercises to ensure interoperability in operations and logistics. The effort against terrorists operating in Africa will require a joint and combined effort with African countries to achieve lasting mutual progress—that is one of AFRICOM’s missions.
An Obama Administration, therefore, will pursue an Africa policy that seeks to work with its partners in Africa to realize the goals of the New Partnership for Africa’s Development. These include the eradication of poverty, putting Africa on a sustainable path of growth and development and reversing the marginalization of the continent in the global economy. An Obama Administration will work to help ensure that Africa is seen as a desirable destination for American trade and investment and that the continent is a priority for the United States. It will also work to ensure that transparency, accountability, and rule of law are widely upheld. An Obama Administration will pursue effective partnerships to combat terrorism while making the continent a safer and healthier place to live.

Taken from presidential questionnaire answers posted (in .doc form) at The Sullivan Foundation’s site. Biden, Edwards and Richardson, who also answered that questionnaire are also in favour of it, so I assume Hillary is too.

16. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2008

I was reading an article in a Ghana newspaper in my travels that mentioned the US had built an embassy there to the tune of $100 million. That’s one helluva lot of money to spend in such a small country for one building while the candidates all whine about too much money being spent on pork.

17. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2008

I’m reminded of this 2007 WaPo editorial: Stop Trying To ‘Save’ Africa

18. marisacat - 18 February 2008

from what I read we have been enlarging “our footprint” in the HOrn from the time of 9/11, very actively.

Liberia is our big fig leaf and both R and D (that would be Bush and Bill the Philanthropist) just lvoe that woman president in Liberia. But it, regions of Africa, offers great opportunity for mayhem. Esp Darfur, Somalia, Chad, Niger Delta… and whereever we go, along with our government friendly NGOs, we plan and plot a military game.

At least as I see it.

I mean in 92 they called Somalia a “feeding mission”.

19. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2008

Well, that footprint has been more like a heel poised on Africa’s throat for far too long, obviously, and it’s good to see that the continent is standing up to the US empire’s dreams of world dominance. I think that’s a huge step forward.

20. wu ming - 18 February 2008
21. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2008

Unilateral Strike Called a Model For U.S. Operations in Pakistan

Jeebus H Christ.

Well,I guess that gets Obama’s stamp of approval.

22. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2008

And yes, I am on Obama’s case because while he’s out there giving his flowery “Yes we can” speeches, people need to pay attention to what he thinks he can do in terms of foreign policy. He, along with 99% of the Dems, are no different from the Repubs on that front with respect to Africa, Pakistan, China, India and Israel – major players on the world stage.

23. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2008

I’m cranky tonite. Can you tell? 😉

24. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2008

Blogwar! Self-Destructive, Anonymous Daily Kos Front Page Loser of the Moment: ‘DHinMI’ (Dana Houle)

(Don’t know if it was linked here before but he’s added some updates.)

25. marisacat - 18 February 2008

Cuba’s Fidel Castro, one of the world’s longest serving leaders, says he will not return to the presidency after his illness.

For more details: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news

26. marisacat - 18 February 2008

I was just catching up to that Brad Blog vs DH over at Pffterpoofters. It’s mentioned in comments in some thread, not sure where…

On my way to read it now.

What a hoot! I gather that Brad had not known who Dana was (fwiw).

27. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2008

The troll patrol’s trailer mat (taylormattdeedeedee) is over there trying to get some attention:

What will it take for me to get called out on the front page of your blog? I said nasty shit about Bev Harris in that very story by DH, I believe.

What a loser.

28. liberalcatnip - 18 February 2008

Wow. I never thought Castro would resign. Big news.

29. bayprairie - 19 February 2008

nice slapwa by bradblog.

DH should stick to too-long-overly-lame reviews of steve earle recordings. i was going to link to that ridiculous post yesterday (but why bother?) and point out the fact that while DH praises a singer who isn’t afraid of penning an anti-war lyric or two he stood by and did nothing while the zionists and rethug members of his board chased off legitimate antiwar activist named cindy sheehan. guess DH anti-war loyalties stop just this side of the party line.

of course it goes without saying first time steve earle writes a lyric finding fault with democrats out on their pro-war position poor steve’s ass is gonna be in the same boat at dkos as ms sheehan is, 100% right and unwelcome because of it.

30. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

first time steve earle writes a lyric finding fault with democrats out on their pro-war position poor steve’s ass is gonna be in the same boat at dkos as ms sheehan is

lol..you’d better warn him! How would he go on??

31. bayprairie - 19 February 2008

and an even better slapwa by Xeno!

and ddoesnt little lawyer boy talormattd come off like a cwyybaby!

32. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

Sooner or later, dkos will trim its list of acceptable sources to dkos itself.

33. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

Michelle Obama:

“For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country,” she told a Milwaukee crowd today, “and not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.”

You just know that one’s going to come back to bite Obama if he’s the nominee.

34. marisacat - 19 February 2008

oh I so wish I drank. I landed on this as it is linked on the FP online of the Wapo, down under Religion. Good spot for it.

35. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

Michelle’s in spam.

36. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

34. From the comments: OBAMA / BENNY HINN 2008 lol

37. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

For the first time in my adult life, I’m beginning to see how McCain is going to pull this one out.

The Republicans are starting to iron out their differences and solidify behind McCain.

The Democratic race is far from over and both campaigns are going to start hitting each other with Rove style attacks. It’s going to have the effect of disillusioning people and supressing the vote.

And it’s going ot have a rolling effect because

1.) All the Democrats needed to suppress interest in impeaching Bush and bringing him to justice (in politics in general) in order to better their chances at getting the White House.

2.) Hillary needs to suppress the vote in order to keep Obama from winning.

3.) McCain needs to go negative hard and suppress the vote to eek out a narrow victory.

Don’t count McCain out until the military stands down in January of 2008 and lets Hillary take office.

38. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

That’s January of 2009 🙂

39. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

Somehow relevent to Michelle Obama

40. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

that WaPo thing on god had this sentence, which made me laugh:

Even a blogger for Mother Jones, the hot heart of the far left, …

PUH-lease. That’s like claiming that the Utne Reader publishes anarchist tracts.

The “debate” in this country is such a farce.

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008
42. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

the hot heart of the far left

I thought that was The Nation.

43. wilfred - 19 February 2008

So Fidel has given up the presidency.

Can the Florida Cubans now swarm southward and make Havana a cruise ship port and turn the island over to the multi-nationals? Cuba, embrace your future is as maids, gardeners and hotel clerks for Western tourists!

44. marisacat - 19 February 2008

Obama weighs in:

“Today should mark the end of a dark era in Cuba’s history. Fidel Castro’s stepping down is an essential first step, but it is sadly insufficient in bringing freedom to Cuba.

“Cuba’s future should be determined by the Cuban people and not by an anti-democratic successor regime. The prompt release of all prisoners of conscience wrongly jailed for standing up for the basic freedoms too long denied to the Cuban people would mark an important break with the past. It’s time for these heroes to be released.

“If the Cuban leadership begins opening Cuba to meaningful democratic change, the United States must be prepared to begin taking steps to normalize relations and to ease the embargo of the last five decades. The freedom of the Cuban people is a cause that should bring the Americans together.”

Nope sorry, the “freedom of the Cuban people” will nto be bringing us “together”. Not Neither No No.

Months to go and this stuff is OLD.

45. lucid - 19 February 2008

Cuba, embrace your future is as maids, gardeners and hotel clerks for Western tourists!

Freedom’s on the march!

46. marisacat - 19 February 2008


“As you know, Fidel Castro announced that he is stepping down as Cuba’s leader after 58 years of one-man rule. The new leadership in Cuba will face a stark choice—continue with the failed policies of the past that have stifled democratic freedoms and stunted economic growth—or take a historic step to bring Cuba into the community of democratic nations. The people of Cuba want to seize this opportunity for real change and so must we.

“I would say to the new leadership, the people of the United States are ready to meet you if you move forward towards the path of democracy, with real, substantial reforms. The people of Cuba yearn for the opportunity to get out from under the weight of this authoritarian regime, which has held back 11 million talented and hardworking citizens of the Americas. The new government should take this opportunity to release political prisoners and to take serious steps towards democracy that give their people a real voice in their government.

“The American people have been on the side in the Cuban people’s struggle for freedom and democracy in the past and we will be on their side for democracy in the future.

“As President, I will engage our partners in Latin America and Europe who have a strong stake in seeing a peaceful transition to democracy in Cuba, and who want very much for the United States to play a constructive role to that end. The United States must pursue an active policy that does everything possible to advance the cause of freedom, democracy and opportunity in Cuba.

“The events of the past three days, including elections in Pakistan and Kosovo’s declaration of independence, are a vivid illustration of people around the world yearning for democracy and opportunity. We need a President with the experience to recognize and seize these opportunities to advance America’s values and interests around the world. I will be that President.”


47. JJB - 19 February 2008

Hillary’s none too good on the history and the arithmetic there. Castro had been in power since January 1959, which makes 49 years, not 58.

And the US has absolutely no business in Cuba whatsoever, nor do an appreciable number of people in Latin American want us to “play a constructive role” in “seeing a peaceful transition to democracy in Cuba.” If the US were simply to vanish, tens of millions of people in the other nations of this hemisphere would be delighted.

48. NYCO - 19 February 2008

I think this takes the prize for the most inane bit of political commentary ever.

On Tuesday night, a dog named Uno became the first beagle ever to be named “Best in Show” in 100 years of the prestigious Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show. The same night, Sen. Barack Obama won the Potomac Primary and emerged as front-runner in the Democratic race for president of the United States. Are these two events related? Go ahead and laugh. I think they are.

Yes, that’s right. Obama is a dog.

How is this like Uno winning the dog show? For one, it overturned politics-as-usual. I love beagles, and so does the rest of America. CNN reported that the beagle is the only dog consistently listed among the nation’s most popular breeds for nearly 100 years. But in the 100 years the Westminster Kennel Club has been picking a “Best in Show,” a beagle never won. Until Uno. Clearly, it was time for a change.

I admit to being real confused at this point because show beagles are carefully handled purebreds, while Obama’s appeal is that he’s supposed to be a “mutt.” Mr. Melting Pot. So shouldn’t she be writing about Pound Puppies?

If this is what the level of political discourse is going to be like for the next four years, euthanize me now.

49. marisacat - 19 February 2008

I confess I only read the last two grafs of hers.

Well maybe we can raise up Fulgencio Batista or Machado or whomever is our preference and steam back into port.

United Seed and various fruit companies in tow.

50. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

“As President, I will engage our partners in Latin America and Europe who have a strong stake in seeing a peaceful transition to democracy in Cuba, and who want very much for the United States to play a constructive role to that end.

You forgot Canada! OTOH, it’s no wonder you didn’t mention Canada since we haven’t been in the habit of punishing the Cuban people like you have all of these years.

51. marisacat - 19 February 2008

Well periodically there have been efforts to pull America along. Oddly enough there was a warming in the early 80s under Reagan. There was a limited but more open opportunity to go to Cuba… and there were efforts, esp from US farmers (who have tried several times over the decades) to get trade opened up.

Hat tip to Obama that lots of baaaad things are bi partisan. Quite comfortably so.

LOL The Dems are just as huge shits on this as the R, in their own way.

Let us not forget the sainted Elian… rescued from the waters as a Thanksgiving gift. And an election nightmare for the poor wretched Democrats.

52. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

One of the most recent controversies re: Cuba and Canada/US relations here was concern over the US gov’t pushing for passenger lists of Canadian overflights of the US ie. that would give the US gov’t the right to see who might be flying to Cuba from Canada for business (and other) purposes to which many Canadians basically said fuck you.

53. ms_xeno - 19 February 2008

bayprairie, #31:

and an even better slapwa by Xeno!

Darn. I haven’t been to PFF in a couple of days ?

Have I got a doppelganger over there now ?

MarketTrustee’s stuff about genetics and history was very interesting, though.

54. ms_xeno - 19 February 2008

Oh, and quoth mr_xeno (who got a degree from the U of M years ago) this morning, upon hearing the news about Castro:

“I am really glad that I’m not in Miami right now.”

55. lucid - 19 February 2008


I even like to stroll through Williamsburg sometimes on Saturday.

Get in touch the next time your in the ‘hood. We could get brunch, or a drink or something…

56. cad - 19 February 2008

Andy Sully projects his hopes on his latest crush.
Did the audience applaud his comment?

57. marisacat - 19 February 2008

Huzzah! Huzzah! Or, what was the war all about… LOL:

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:



Oh I so wanna hear our packaged candidates shake their tiny fists at this one. It will be so dull. so scripted.

Let’s hear it for Green Collar Jobs! And alternative theories, that will remain as theories. Cellulosic, they learned to say it! Carbon offsets, they will help sell them.

and on and on and on and on.

58. marisacat - 19 February 2008


what did Sully say…

I went to look at his column at Atlantic, but must be missing it……………….

59. bayprairie - 19 February 2008

Darn. I haven’t been to PFF in a couple of days ?

Have I got a doppelganger over there now ?

the “other” was in the bradblog thread

Self-Destructive, Anonymous Daily Kos Front Page Loser of the Moment: ‘DHinMI’ (Dana Houle)

60. marisacat - 19 February 2008

LOL Doesn’t mind USING the 60s. What a pol. WIth handlers.

There’s a new talking point this week from Team Obama about the unpalatable prospects of a brokered convention: 2008 will be just like 1968, but worse.

Here’s Obama cheif strategist David Axelrod on “Face the Nation:”

Bob, I think it would be a mistake because you pointed out the first convention you went to was 1968. You know what a mess that was. If the majority of the American people who are participating in these processes, either through caucuses or through primaries, have a majority of those votes going for either of the candidates, and if the super delegates intervene and get in the way of it and say, oh, no, we’re going to determine what’s best, there will be chaos at the convention. It does nothing to help the Democrats. And if you think 1968 was bad, you watch; in 2008, it will be worse.”::spin and snap::

Sorry to be very cynical. For myself I look at ’60, ’64, ’68 and ’72 as a whole or a continuum.

LOL Tavis ran an old interview with Obama, from late summer fall (a guess, there was a mention he had fundraised 75 million, so I based it on that) with his signature statement, a version of it, that people are tired of “Vietnam, the sexual revolution”… and one other thing he mentioned. But all those battles are worn out, over, irrelevant. oh the lst was “faith in politics”.

Wanna call those OVER???

IN WHAT UNIVERSE? The game of unity and civility is to get the nation to sell itself out. To BUY into the conservative, both parties, agenda in congress.

hmmm. I am sorry to be blunt, the deflation will be fast or slow.

One or the other.

Ambinder also linked to this in NY daily news. Not had a chance to read it.

61. marisacat - 19 February 2008


it was Doug Wilder statement NOT Axelrod.

62. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

Predictions, anyone?

I’ll pick Hillary in Texas, Obamalama in Wisconsin…who else is voting today? Just Hawaii? I’ll say that one goes to Obama.

63. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

Oops…not Texas. D’oh!

64. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

Predictions, anyone?

Race between Hillary and Obama gets nastier and nastier as Hillary tries to limit the number of new voters by going negative and bringing on the cynicism. Nasty brokered convention, nice on the surface but the hate bubbling up from underneath.

McCain goes hard negative in early September and never lets up. Suppresses the vote some more and eeks out a narrow victory.

A year later, he starts drawing down the troops in Iraq, putting pressure on the Israelis, and acting contrary to expectations as he rebuilds the party.

65. NYCO - 19 February 2008

Or he could just keel over in early April 2009.

66. ms_xeno - 19 February 2008

Ah, sorry, bayprairie. Figured it out.

Too bad I can’t take credit for the Bradblog post.

Predictions, anyone ?

Lamb shanks with veggies for dinner, plus a nice bottle of ice cold Blue Heron. Tomorrow I might make an apple crisp.

Oh, were we talking about something else ? Sorry.

67. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

Cindy McCain’s damned proud of her country. Gimme some of that S&L money and I’ll show you some pride too.

68. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

Pat Buchanan’s really pissed at that uppity n…uh that woman Michelle Obama.

69. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008
70. marisacat - 19 February 2008

i am entertained that Michelle is not a convert to the Axelrod pitch, shoved out thru her husband, of Unity=Happyland, Details to Follow. Or not.

And I await the outing of her thesis (see Newsweek profile).

71. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

HEAVILY going after Michelle Obama on MSNBC.

Do we have our Dean Scream moment?

72. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

Interesting that there’s a Kos troll patrol e-mail list about PFF


Nothing to do with her or that other guy. MM’s diary was the catalyst and pff earned attention because she gets support here. So, you might want to rethink who you’ve all pissed off. You can call me what you want. I can be real bastard when it’s something I care about.

I think they should send Kestrel over to my house to kick my ass. I’m working on my bird photography.


73. marisacat - 19 February 2008

I could hardly follow that sub thread, after the retelling of some Great Flood known as teh outing email.

Good Luck to them all!

74. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

I could hardly follow that sub thread, after the retelling of some Great Flood known as teh outing email.

Anybody an old time usenet user? Remember the alt.rec.sking flamwar? I believe a judge somewhere in Seattle issued an injunction to stop it.

From what I remember there were some David Byron “mens’ rights” dorks involved.


75. marisacat - 19 February 2008

some exit poll info from WI, via CBS

[A]ccording to early CBS News exit polls of Wisconsin Democrats, the economy was the most important issue for voters today. This has been the case throughout the campaign.

Nine in 10 Democratic voters said in the exit poll that the economy was in bad shape. On the issue of trade, a majority Wisconsin Democratic primary voters said U.S. trade with other countries takes jobs away from their state.

Twenty-seven percent of Wisconsin Democrats in the exit poll decided on their candidate within the last week, but most made up their minds before that.

According to the early exit poll, change was viewed as the most important quality to Democratic primary voters. Clinton has a slight edge over Obama as the candidate most qualified to be commander in chief. And Obama is seen by Wisconsin Democratic primary voters as the candidate most likely to beat the Republican nominee in November.::spin and snap::

76. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2008

Predictions anyone- catnip

From my dumbass? ….LOL Let’s see,- I picked Edwards in Iowa, thought she’d close the deal on him by SuperDuper SemiGooper Tuesday…LMAO. Whoops!

( I still do think her peeps figured at the outset he’d run good interference to ward off a Gore or Edwards challenge and had a caveat that if Obamas peeps thought they could make a run out of a debutante candidacy they’d do it….)

As for predictions, I now just EMAIL mcat ….

Tho it did freak me out the first twenty times
when I simply sent a text asking

How many fingers am I holding up?


77. NYCee - 19 February 2008

I am prediction shy.

Wisconsin … could be a squeaker, slight edge to one. Could be an Obomberamafest. Could be a NH…

I dunno, never mind.

Hawaii’s his. He’d look better at a luau, sporting baggies and festooned in leis.

78. marisacat - 19 February 2008

my prediction as always is

Hell if I know.

squeakers, here and there. LOL most I could say.

Distribute weapons, to Michelle too! Cindy needs to prove she can make it thru a meet and greet without chewing her lips, then she can have a tiny gun. A little pocket number… Maybe pink and white flocking on the barrel…

Stand back.

I say let them fight to the end.

79. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

I was sympathetic to Obama until I learned his wife is one of those blacks who aren’t loyal to America.

I mean, Barack HUSSEIN Obama and his Angela Davis like spouse with their fingers on the button and the war on terror in their, um, ethnic fingers.

No thanks.

Do we want Michelle listening to one to many Public Enemy songs then deciding to turn the launch codes over to Hugo Chavez?

Not me.

Hillary’s almost as bad. Gawd. Can you imagine asking OUR TROOPS to call HER Commander in Chief. But at least she’s been there before and she’s trained not to go too far.

Just keep her away from the Nukular football a few days every month and we should be fine.

I’m still votin for McCain though. Rush don’t like him but he’s a vet and I respect that.

80. NYCO - 19 February 2008

Do we have our Dean Scream moment?

Who knows. But for a little bit earlier today, conversation about it on dKos actually got above an IQ level of 40.

So she made a gaffe. And yes, it is a gaffe. You can’t spin it away that the MSM is “leaving a word out” because all someone has to do is ask her, “So Mrs. Obama, why haven’t you really been proud of your country?” and then she (or Hubby) has to come up with an answer that is perfectly worded (you know, without Deval Patrick’s speechwriter).

I say YOU GO GIRL! Gaffe away! Let’s rock and roll! Yeaaarrrggggh!

But no, we’re not going to have rock and roll. We’re going to have backtracking and mincing and pandering and blandness, and no ugly specifics about whatever it is that’s keeping us all from being one pulsing glowing believing ball of warm commingled American dream-flesh.

81. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

I mean them people can fake it real good sometimes but you can’t fake lovin your country forever can you?

Yep. Well spoken, “clean”, dresses well, has one of them fancy eduations in one of them communist schools with no football team and ugly chicks with flat chests and glasses but in the end he’s just another, um, person of color.

I knew it was the Islam involved. I knew it. I bet Barack HUSSEIN Obama and his little Angela David bow down to Mecca five times a day.

No siree. He ain’t gonna be commander in chief. Are we gonna respect a guy like that to protect our borders? To protect us from militant extreme Islam?

Even that liberal Chris Matthews and that cute Irish CHick Norah O’Donnel don’t trust him anymore.

82. NYCee - 19 February 2008

Y’know, it certainly is a fucked up system, when the ‘pledged’ delegates arent even really pledged.

Do the Republicans have this (do what you want, delegates) system? I heard that a while back the language was changed by the Dems from mandatory pledges to a gentler version, which, coincidentally, doesnt mandate their pledges.

83. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

They keep playing Michelle Obama clip on MSNBC and kicking it over to Pat Buchanan for a comment.

They’re clearly going after her.

84. marisacat - 19 February 2008

It would be so nice [if I cared] to think that the Dems and whatever cmap wins, most likely Barack… were at all ready for what is coming.

Thsi so reminds me of the Kerry and Dems head in teh sand shit. Right about the same month, right before the R started the hard onslaught late Feb.

And then they were creamed, over and over… . They might have still won [if it mattered] had they said anything direct, honest or [fatigue alert] authentic across the months.

But they didn’t, despite, I notice, people still fighting Kerry’s 04 battles fro him.


85. marisacat - 19 February 2008


LOL and they have never gone after a woman before. Ever. What a shock.

In Casablanca.

Sorry, I just opted for the entertainment clause in my soon to be revoked citizenship papers.

So much is not being discussed. If they go after “birthright citizenship” with regard to the horribly named “anchor babies” then any citizenship is up for revocation.

But of course let’s manufacture hope, just liek horse manure. Or exhaust fumes. Or political verbiage that is worthless, from worthless people, elevated to a corporatised run… then flayed for sport on corporatised media.

What bullshit. All of it.

86. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2008

#79 oh just LMAO HC

87. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

LOL and they have never gone after a woman before. Ever. What a shock.

Just commenting on how obvious it is. Each time it goes right to Buchanan. And then Buchanan lays it on thick.

88. marisacat - 19 February 2008


There go the Democrats, lost in their OWN RULES.

But would they change anything to make the popular vote MATTER.

Not that I see ever happening.

89. marisacat - 19 February 2008

well the pride issue made it to local TV, with a clip of Miss Cindy and her rejoinder.

90. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2008

Oh well without benefit of soothsaying,

Obam in Wisc by 3, picks up Hawaii

If Obam wins Wisconsin he takes Texas and Ohio too

91. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

continue with the failed policies of the past that have stifled democratic freedoms and stunted economic growth

and the relentless political and economic assaults from the USA had NOTHING to do with that “stunted economic growth”.

92. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

You forgot Canada!

No he didn’t … vassal states aren’t “partners” (ducks and runs from flying Molson cans and snowballs).

93. NYCee - 19 February 2008

“Hope is making a comeback and, let me tell you, for the first time in my adult life I am really proud of my country. Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change.”

I think it could be spun as she was saying she was proud of her countrymen/women for creating this ‘movement’ of hope and change, which she has seen for the first time in her adult life in America. (That, I do not feel or get for this man. Movement? Huh?) Still, her countrymen/women might take offense, but who the hell cares if she was never proud of us or not.

Let’s see the Dude deliver, Mama. Like he means it. That’s all.

And only time will tell how well he fares in that regard, if he is Our Guy.

It is true that it is all pretty speeches for now. And I think she got taken just a little too high on her own high flown rhetoric that time.


94. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

HEAVILY going after Michelle Obama on MSNBC.

Mika was mocking Scarborough making a big deal of it this morning.

95. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

Mika was mocking Scarborough making a big deal of it this morning.

Which is absurd considering her father’s part of Obama’s campaign.

Gotta love the media.

96. NYCee - 19 February 2008

Ahhh Wisconsin.

Brings to mind when I hounded the denizens of that state to vote for Dean… when he was withering. At a phone bank on 42 Street.

I liked the people I reached. They were nice enough, low key. I got a vibe of well lived in living rooms, browns and golds.

I got on the Dean bus a little late, and I think that was the only state I called.

97. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008


I don’t know … could be Eisenhower, could be Nixon in drag. Don’t much care either way.

98. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

And note Mika’s usually the butt of the jokes on that show, sort of the uppidy blond b–tch Scarborough and Willie Geist get to play off of.

So the fact that they’re letting her defend Obama and kicking it over to Buchanan to attack him……

Who’s more likely to affect “white ethnics” in Youngstown?

99. Intermittent Bystander - 19 February 2008

Love the FT illustration at top, and an am laughing away, here, catching up.

Cindy needs to prove she can make it thru a meet and greet without chewing her lips, then she can have a tiny gun. A little pocket number… Maybe pink and white flocking on the barrel…

Hear that Mumsie? Better mind yer Ps and Qs!

As usual, I want ms xeno’s dinner.

Everyone looks better in leis.

Beautiful egret, HCfM.

Haven’t seen this film myself, but apparently it’s well on its way toward critical glory … and while visiting the wonderful blog The Human Flower Project the other day, I saw that the author did a spoiler-rich summary (accompanied by a single floral still photo) concering the Coen brothers’ latest: No Movie for Real Men, or Women. I love some of their work, but this one certainly sounds like bloody hell.

OK, cheeseheads . . . name your muenster! name yer fontinella!

100. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

And I await the outing of her thesis (see Newsweek profile).

Had to go look:

Overwhelmingly white and privileged, Princeton was not an easy place for a young black woman from the inner city. There weren’t formal racial barriers and black students weren’t officially excluded. But many of the white students couldn’t hide that they regarded their African- American classmates as affirmative-action recipients who didn’t really deserve to be there. Angela Acree, a close friend who attended Princeton with Michelle, says the university didn’t help dispel that idea. Black and Hispanic students were invited to attend special classes a few weeks before the beginning of freshman semester, which the school said were intended to help kids who might need assistance adjusting to Princeton’s campus. Acree couldn’t see why. She had come from an East Coast prep school; Michelle had earned good grades in Chicago. “We weren’t sure whether they thought we needed an extra start or they just said, ‘Let’s bring all the black kids together’.”

Acree, Michelle and another black student, Suzanne Alele, became inseparable companions. The three of them talked often about the racial divide on campus—especially how white students they knew from class would pass them on the green and pretend not to see them. “It was, like, here comes a black kid,” says Acree. The black students tended to hang out together at the Third World Center, a social club on campus, while the white party scene revolved around Princeton’s eating clubs.

Michelle felt the tension acutely enough that she made it the subject of her senior sociology thesis, titled “Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community.” The paper is now under lock and key, but according to the Chicago Sun-Times, Michelle wrote that Princeton “made me far more aware of my ‘blackness’ than ever before.” She wrote that she felt like a visitor on the supposedly open-minded campus. “Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with Whites at Princeton,” she wrote, “it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second.” (Today, Michelle says, not quite convincingly, that she can’t remember what was in her thesis.)

She didn’t share such concerns with her parents, who were proud of their college-bound children. “She didn’t talk about it a lot,” says her mother, Marian. “I just learned from reading some articles that she did feel like she was different from other people. But she never let that bother her.” Instead, Michelle was determined to prove that no matter how she got there, she deserved her place in the class: she graduated with departmental honors and was accepted to Harvard Law School.

Too bad that they feel that has to be hidden away. Sounds refreshingly honest and right to me …

101. NYCO - 19 February 2008

I really resent the Obama campaign’s claim to ownership (and commodification of) the concept of “hope.” Like they are the sole representatives, just because they spout the word 24 hours a day.

I’m sorry, I haven’t done enough Hillary-bashing. Believe me, I was looking forward to being able to bash her mercilessly (had to live with her as a carpetbagging senator for 8 years), but I didn’t expect that my irritability would be equally caused by her opponent.

And yes, Hillary’s campaign has been pathetic. Bill’s been pathetic, the whole operation has been sickly beyond all expectation. It’s so strange because I don’t really recall Bill campaigning too much for her when she was running for Senator. He would just come to county fairs and eat stuff. He was pretty silent.

That said, Obama could still impress me if he actually came to his wife’s defense and boldly articulated why a lot of Americans have a love-hate relationship with their own country. However, that would take more than babbling about “hope and change.” Has he got it in him?

102. NYCO - 19 February 2008

Madman, re Michelle Obama – damn straight. I’d rather listen to her than to her husband.

But we’ve gone this “two for the price of one” route before. Look how it turned out. And is turning out again, apparently.

103. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

sort of the uppidy blond b–tch Scarborough and Willie Geist get to play off of.

She gives as good as she gets, and sometimes REALLY gets under Joe’s skin making fun of his man-crush on Raygun.

104. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

But we’ve gone this “two for the price of one” route before. Look how it turned out. And is turning out again, apparently.

Yup. Sad, but there it is.

105. NYCee - 19 February 2008

She (Mika) says some damn stupid shite sometimes, but sometimes she’s all right. I think she and Joe could be an item. They sit veeeeery close, and engage in a lot of flirt fighting and touchy touchy.

106. Intermittent Bystander - 19 February 2008

As gaffes go, I liked Michelle’s blooper almost as much as the Dean scream. Both increased my interest in the perpetrator, rather than reduced it.

Too bad that they feel that has to be hidden away. Sounds refreshingly honest and right to me …

107. marisacat - 19 February 2008

I considered the Newsweek profile a sly piece of work.

But again, the campaign is unwisely letting stuff fester. Get it out, if the thesis is awkward or an issue.

Again, Michelle CLEARLY does not buy into the manufactured hope and unity thing. At least that is my take.

For one it is UNSALEABLE if one really thinks about it. People may ride the gaseous hype, it may extend the honeymoon, but this willnto be working, long term.

Liek the Tavis interview i caught. he said Vietnam, sexual revolution and faith in politics were the OLD Arguemtns.

Saying does not make it so, when people DISAGREE. And people struggle every day, living in a declining nation, committed to wide war, denial of sexual equality/rights and the Dems all spitting up Jesus or being Jesus.

I find the unity shit just more games to deliver us to think tanked Cato, AEI and Heritage shit.

The biggest problem is the huge conservative bloc in congress, in government, among the aides on the Hill, the lobbyists etc.

We just get fed mush and then delivered to the chopping block.

As I see it.

108. Miss Devore - 19 February 2008

Hillary is supposedly giving a speech now in Ohio. In it she will give the actual pronunciation of the copyright symbol.

109. marisacat - 19 February 2008

oh I decided back, by 94, that I would nto vote for anotehr sweater set of attys.

God no.

110. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

She gives as good as she gets, and sometimes REALLY gets under Joe’s skin making fun of his man-crush on Raygun.

Right but Michelle Obama’s not being dependable to love America enough is going to hurt her with white ethnic men.

Who’s the middle aged white ethnic male in Ohio going to respond to better, Buchanan or Mika Bzrezinski?

Ignore the ethnic last name for the moment, she gives off “WASP” signals and Scarborough and Buchanan give off “regular guy” signals.

So whether or not it’s going to work and it may not you can clearly see the angle MSNBC is going for.

I hear Buchanan expressing his genuine shock about this and I see every older male in my family. Middle aged white ethnics may warm to Obama eventually but they seriously don’t like black women.

And put a white women in the position of defending them and that guy in Ohio’s going to start thinking his wife’s not making dinner because she’s watching the Lifetime Channel.

(note this is only my own clueless impressionist view but I’m sure people have already figured that out)

111. NYCee - 19 February 2008

Btw, has anyone seen that goddamn ultra annoying Supah!delegate KID they keep trotting out on the telly?

Ugh. I want to grow my nails longer and give him a good clawing. (Im not really that mean, but really… he is fucking annoying.) His cloying, smarmy little “aint I a whiz kid!” voice/attitude, self-adoring valedictorian of the Dem party junior set (knows best), Grrr… gits me rankled like nobody’s bidniz.

Oft heard quote (close to it) from SuperAnnoyingDelegateBoy, when asked if he thinks his the power his vote has is really fair (this comes after he rattles off a list of Chelseas, and Bills, and Kennedys, et al, et al, who take him to lunch and call him on the phone, wooing him):

“Oh yes, I think I am entitled to have my SUPER delegate vote, to vote for whatever I think is best for the party, just like all the other voters had their chance to vote for their choice.”

Yeah Squeaky, like your vote equals that of another voter. Try thousands.

And everyone in the media just pets and praises him to death.

Ugh. Aspires to be president someday, too. Of course. Ugh.

112. NYCO - 19 February 2008

Oh, and in hindsight, I have to say that the whole “Hillary will do well in the red states because she won over Upstate NY” theory… well, we never really got a chance to test it, because she was blindsided from the (alleged) left, but I knew it was never going to hold water anyway.

Upstate NY was starstruck. Upstate voters spend their entire existence being flattened under NYC’s heavy demographic weight. Honestly, they’re like starved animals in a cage. They’ll snarl and rush the bars at first, but if you just talk a little nice to them and give them a (pork-based) treat, they calm down and accept your presence. Someday someone’s going to let them out of that cage so they can be the unique and free animal they’re supposed to be, but Hillary was just there to pose for carefully staged pictures. She didn’t have to tame the beast; that would involve them being out of the cage (like the real voters in the real red states are).

Any idea that her throwing treats to a caged and powerless beast meant she was a real lion tamer, was an absolute joke.

113. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

A Presidents Day to Remember: Photos from San Francisco

HCfM … oh, you’re likely right, but I’m done worrying about dumbfuck ethnic white males voting for their own dissolution. Fuck ’em … they deserve all of the misery they have voted for. Too bad they’ll drag the rest of us down with them.

I wish ghosts were real, because the lot of them deserve to be haunted by their trade-unionist forebearers.

114. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

A Presidents Day to Remember: Photos from San Francisco

Any word on what happened at the Marine recruiting center in Berkeley? I heard some Gathering of Eagles types were planning to gather there and there was a counterprotest planned,.

115. lucid - 19 February 2008

Did anyone notice this: I just flipped to the MSNBC coverage & in their 9pm EST intro, when they flashed his picture, there was some sort of campaign sign behind him that framed his head in a white halo… fucking creepy.

…significant Obama lead

116. Intermittent Bystander - 19 February 2008

Thing is, the only choices for a presidential candidate are Numero-Uno-Plus- Automaton, or else It-Takes-A-Couple. Nobody single is gonna get elected President any time soon, right? Waaaay too much (perceived) risk.

And this whole First Laddie thing is getting its first serious workout. So if they’re going for MIchelle today, maybe it’s ’cause they think it’s their last really clear chance to fuck up the ‘mo for chaaaaaaaaange.

Plus, I agree with NYCO upthread that Bill was mercifully peripheral during Hillary’s Senate run.

He would just come to county fairs and eat stuff.

I bet there are plenty of voters who wish he had contented himself with corncobs, baked beans, crawfish, and pie for this go-round. Whoo doggy!

117. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

no word here yet on results, but this bodes well for Obama:

Several polling sites in the city of Milwaukee have asked for more ballots as voting appears heavier than expected in some spots, Sue Edman, executive director of the Milwaukee Election Commission, said this afternoon.

“We had to hurry up and get more ballots out to them,” said Edman, who said she thought the sites were on the city’s east side and near Marquette University. She wasn’t sure how many sites asked for more ballots.

Other polling places, for instance on the south side, were reporting steady voting but no long lines, she said.

By way of translation: East side and Marquette are college areas, and awash in Obama (and Paul) signs and bumper stickers. South side is working class ethnic whites and hispanics.

118. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2008

madman, whats the word in wisconsin? You here anything?

119. NYCee - 19 February 2008

They say exit polls heavily favor Obama

120. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2008

Whoops just saw 116…anybody hear anything major coming out of Hill camp?

121. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

Amazing how Ron Paul’s dropped off the face of the earth since the rise of Obama.

His 15 minutes of fame coincided exactly with the period beginning with Dem support of the surge and ending with Obama Mania.

Wonder what he’s going to do with all that money he didn’t spend.

122. NYCee - 19 February 2008

Tim Russert, ever the gent, says of her 50-and-over stalwart ladies:

“Her last remaining coalition is aging white women.”

123. Miss Devore - 19 February 2008

What really made me proud of my country today was hearing that a college curriculum proposal for an Industrial Design course on fabrication/product design called “Making It”, was asked to change the title of the course from someone high up in the state, as it was sexually suggestive.

124. NYCee - 19 February 2008

#120 Wonder what he’s going to do with all that money he didn’t spend.

Create a new and improved newsletter?

125. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

Nothing firm.

Uppity Wisconsin blog liveblogging primary returns.

The widget he’s using is a little buggy, but there is some interesting stuff.

There are reports there and in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel of access problems at some polling places for the elderly/disabled. Lots of piled up snow on sidewalks and bus stops (for a mass transit system that sucks increasingly hard as the more-Republican county gov’t kills it off). I’m seeing many fewer elderly people when I’m on the bus. Also, it is very, VERY cold here today.

126. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008
127. marisacat - 19 February 2008


Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:


128. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

Create a new and improved newsletter?

Well he could

1.) Use it to help build an anti-war socialist/libertarian coalition

2.) Give it to anti-immigrant white supremacists

I could believe either but it’s disappointing that he’s ruled out a third party run.

I’m not sure about exactly what the rules are for leftover money but clearly he can’t spend it all keeping his congressional seat.

129. NYCee - 19 February 2008

Pink Candy Cindy!

Does she represent the Chanel bloc?

130. Hair Club for Men - 19 February 2008

McCain’s hitting all the right notes but he sounds tired and choppy.

131. NYCee - 19 February 2008

Cindy puts me in mind of a Star Trek alien babe.

Very pre-hippie sixties.

Ohhh bama wins!

132. NYCO - 19 February 2008

“Her last remaining coalition is aging white women.”

Yeah, and we all know that REAL democracy is just for The Yooth.

If Jesus comes back, I hope he comes back as an old sick widow and really fucks with everyone’s head.

133. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

More than 30,000 register at the polls in city

It looks like more than 30,000 people registered at the polls to vote in the city of Milwaukee today, Election Commission chief Sue Edman said tonight.

Final turnout figures won’t be known until after polls close, but the city’s prediction of a 50% turnout could prove accurate, she said.

“It’s been steady all day,” Edman said.

Absentee ballot results will be known earlier than usual in the evening because the city is now processing them at a central location instead of at polling places. That count is already close to done, she said.

City workers had to reconstruct quite a few absentee ballots that got gummed up with glue from envelopes, but all those votes have been counted, Edman said.

Ice on the sidewalks around polling places was the biggest obstacle to voters. The city called in public works crews and worked with Milwaukee Public Schools to chop the ice and clear a path for voters.

134. Intermittent Bystander - 19 February 2008

121 – LOL.

123 – So much for the mass turnout of aging white women and the famous (but also mostly retired, or severely disspirited, or else probably way less “ethnic”) Middle Aged White Ethnic Male.

Bummah about the weather, mini-delegates!

(Say, where’s the personal injury lawyer when you really need him?!)

135. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

Capital Times (Madison) election blog

Too early to predict turnout

Dane County Clerk Bob Ohlsen said just after the polls closed at 8 p.m. that it’s too early to say what the total turnout would be. Early predictions called for a record or near-record turnout because of the high interest in the Clinton-Obama race, but Ohlsen said turnout was slow this morning because of the ice and single-digit temperatures.

Turnout picked as the day went on, however, and reached about 25 percent by 4 p.m.

Initial predictions called for a statewide turnout of 35 percent, which would be one of the highest primary turnouts in Wisconsin history.

136. NYCee - 19 February 2008

What about the bloc that wants to criminalize flag burning?

She still has that.

137. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

Ugh … my governor’s voice makes my head hurt. DLC puke that he is.

138. Intermittent Bystander - 19 February 2008

Wonder what he’s going to do with all that money he didn’t spend.

I was thinking taxpayer-rights leaflets, abstinence programs, and a treatise on the Federal Reserve.

139. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2008

Uhps there it is a reframe speech….

140. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

latest update on the Capital Times blog:

Obama is leading so far in Dane County according to early returns from the County Clerk’s office, winning all the communities that have reported so far. None of them are city of Madison wards.

And I expect Obama did VERY well in Madison proper.

141. NYCO - 19 February 2008

I have a serious question though… DO people really think that aging women (white or otherwise) should just not vote? That seems to be the punchline of the joke.

I mean, I’m a future member of the “aging white women” cohort. I’m a little sensitive about my future worthlessness to the political process.

It’s funny how “aging white women” have “prejudices,” while young voters only have “issues” and “interests.” Is it possible that young voters also have peculiar prejudices? No! couldn’t be.

142. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

New headline on the Journal Sentinel front page:

Obama wins Wisconsin for 9th straight

WASHINGTON (AP) — Barack Obama won the Wisconsin primary Tuesday night, his ninth straight triumph over a fading Hillary Rodham Clinton in their epic struggle for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Obama cut deeply into Clinton’s political bedrock, splitting the support of white women almost evenly with the former first lady and running well among working class voters in a blue collar battleground, according to polling place interviews.

The economy and trade were key issues in the race, and seven in 10 voters said international trade has resulted in lost jobs in Wisconsin. Fewer than one in five said trade has created more jobs than it has lost.

Sadly, this is based on AP polling, NOT on local reporting, because why should those fuckers actually spend any money on local news gathering:

The Associated Press made its calls based on surveys of voters as they left the polls.

In a scarcely veiled attack on Obama, the Republican nominee-in-waiting said, “I will fight every moment of every day in this campaign to make sure that Americans are not deceived by an eloquent but empty call for change.”

Independents cast about one-quarter of the ballots in the race between Obama and Clinton, and roughly 15 percent of the electorate were first-time voters, the survey said. Obama has run strongly among independents in earlier primaries, and among younger voters, and cited their support as evidence that he would make a stronger general election candidate in the fall.

143. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2008

“End this Era of Cowboy diplomacy”

How does that sell well in Texas….

144. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

oops, screwed up the first blockquote, sorry.

145. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

This just in: one of my cats is listening to Hillary’s speech and suddenly announced he’s voting for Obama.

146. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2008

God MSNBC is going to cut her mic…

147. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2008

LOL catnip

148. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

candidate jeebus pic from JS website front page

149. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

Obamalama upstaging Hill’s speech on the teevee: biggest blog topic of the day tomorrow. Larry Johnson’s head explodes. YouTube video at 11.

150. marisacat - 19 February 2008

Madman ou tof moderation, about 10 comments up… sorry! for the delay.


Oh middle aged wimmen, esp white are to lock their hands in prayer, lock their brains and nto speak — and not vote, not speak up and surely not disagree.

Nor can they change their minds, go off the doily and vote as they please.

ooops change. Must find aother word.

Frankly I see a relection of what I thought was Kos’ agenda, drive out older TOUGH, smart women.


Frail thing that he is. Frail thing that most are.

Fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke.

151. Intermittent Bystander - 19 February 2008

Hillary plays the fear card, carefully.

DO people really think that aging women (white or otherwise) should just not vote?

Yes, apparently. Washed up is washed up in the post-feminist cultural landscape. For some pinches, tejano or not.

Speakin’ of which, Obama hitting the podium in TX.

152. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008
153. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

Oh great. Now my cat’s jumping up and down on the couch saying ‘Yes we meow!’

154. Miss Devore - 19 February 2008

“aging white women”?

Tweety should be more worried than Obama-Sara jane Moore was paroled.

155. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

‘Yes we meow!

speaking of plagerism … I wonder how Cesar Chavez feels about THAT co-option … if he wasn’t dead and still able to feel, that is.

156. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

vassal states aren’t “partners” (ducks and runs from flying Molson cans and snowballs).

Here I come a-vassaling. (And you forgot the frozen pucks.)

157. Intermittent Bystander - 19 February 2008

Bit tacky, the surge of applause for the price at the pump!

158. Intermittent Bystander - 19 February 2008

surge of applause for [bemoaning] the price at the pump, I mean. . .

159. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

(And you forgot the frozen pucks.)

Soooo, Puck me?

160. Intermittent Bystander - 19 February 2008

See, says catnip’s feline – he has faith enough (in America) for two! Let her be the skeptic! What’s the problem?

161. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

Obama party brimming with enthusiasm

Madison — Results are just trickling in, but when they do come in, the crowd at Sen. Barack Obama’s party erupts with cheers.

CNN — which is playing over the loudspeakers at Obama’s party at the Great Dane Pub & Brewing Co. — shows the Illinois Democrat with a 13-point lead over rival Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York. That only 3% of the vote has been counted doesn’t matter.

The cable network is projecting a win for Obama in Wisconsin, boosting the mood at the party. The crowd here is now applauding as they watch Obama address a crowd in Houston, Texas, where he is now campaigning in the March 4 primary.

Among those in attendance are state Sen. Bob Jauch of Poplar, state Rep. Gary Sherman of Port Wing, state Democratic Party Chairman Joe Wineke and state Supreme Court Justice Louis Butler, a non-partisan official who is on the ballot in April.

Jauch said he started supporting Obama about a month ago, after his first choice — former U.S. Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina — dropped out of the race.

“It’s a choice between the Clinton mystique and the Obama magic,” Jauch said, adding the the public is yearning for the hope Obama inspires.

162. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

I wonder how Cesar Chavez feels about THAT co-option

Exactly (but sshhh or you’ll be dubbed an enemy of the state).

163. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

To balance things off, my other cat just threw up.

164. NYCO - 19 February 2008

Frankly I see a relection of what I thought was Kos’ agenda, drive out older TOUGH, smart women.

Well, I’m still operating at Big Orange. They can come get me any time they want. (rubs hands together) I am gonna have me some fun once they get a Democratic prez and have to play defense. It will be jolly sport. (Really, I do not know why people TRY to get themselves thrown off there. Having a low UID is still worth a couple of poker chips, at least in their little pea brains.)

165. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

Soooo, Puck me?

Puck you, motherpucker! (whoooosh)

166. NYCO - 19 February 2008

“It’s a choice between the Clinton mystique and the Obama magic,”

Wow! My head is spinning. Do I want mystique, or do I want magic? Magic or mystique? Mystique or magic? Which wunna dese…

167. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

and yesterday when I went to the bathroom…APPLAUSE…I suddenly discovered there was no toilet paper…APPLAUSE…so I did what my grandfather used to…APPLAUSE…I used the Sear’s catalogue….CROWD GOES WILD….YES WE CAN!

168. Intermittent Bystander - 19 February 2008

go off the doily and vote as they please


Cheers to that phrase – and its notion!

169. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008
170. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

“the war is Iraq was unwise“?

That’s the best he can do (besides it being “dumb” as well)?


171. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

I used the Sear’s catalogue…

at least it wasn’t a corncob … the reserve those for the voters.

Pointy-end first.

172. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008


173. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008


… change the channel.

174. Intermittent Bystander - 19 February 2008

They may have had a bash at Michelle earlier today, but Barack’s getting one hell of a shitload of free airtime right now. . . . No cut-in on MSNBC so far at all.

175. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

Wispolitics: 8:54 PM: Update on exit polls

The Drudge Report has some new exit polling on Obama posted.

Obama Won:
Women (51-49)
All age groups under 65
All education levels
All regions of the state — urban, suburban and rural
Voters without college degrees (50-48)
Democrats (50-49)
Whites (53-46)
White men (59-38)
Voters who decided in the last week (58-42)

Won or tied voters of all income levels
Tied among white women
Tied among union members
Tied among union households


176. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

174. Or CNN…but the talking heads just complained about how long it was. (No kidding.)

177. NYCO - 19 February 2008

Wow. Pretty soon we won’t have Hillary to kick around any more!

I wonder if Obama will insist on walking from the Capitol to the White House on inauguration day…

178. NYCee - 19 February 2008

That was Timmy, not Tweety, who made the “aging white women” comment. Shoddy. Why not mature? Last time I looked, everyone is aging.

179. NYCee - 19 February 2008

Has the pantsuit been folded yet?

12 point spread at present.

Looks like Huckster took a drubbing from Man O’ War.

Oh, now Timmy has revamped to “elderly white women.”

180. Intermittent Bystander - 19 February 2008

Edwards’ White Men went for Obama, dramatically, sez the Pumpkin of Punditry on MSNBC.

181. marisacat - 19 February 2008

well I just read that the Obama speech tonight was 45 mins.

He may go from irritating to boring. For those paying attention.


182. Intermittent Bystander - 19 February 2008

Olbermann gives Timmy props for the mot fucking juste, as always?

More fucking juiced, maybe!

183. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

What was that they said about Obama’s campaign deciding to upstage Hillary’s speech because she wasn’t being “gracious” enough to him? Was that fact or speculation? I was in the other room.

184. NYCee - 19 February 2008

Tim is saying Obama decided to go ahead and stomp on her post loss rally because she didnt give a concession nod to him.

185. Intermittent Bystander - 19 February 2008

180 – Very crafty to let sleeping electorates snore!

186. wilfred - 19 February 2008

Did Timmy just say that Hillary has to win 65% of all remaining delegates to win the nomination? I’m not sure I heard him correctly.

187. NYCO - 19 February 2008

“Aging”… “Elderly”… who cares. I’ve just decided that I’ve joined that cohort. I’m gonna be the youngest elderly woman in America now. And I’m gonna fight for my bitches!

188. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

What happened to Hawaii?

189. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

And I’m gonna fight for my bitches!


190. NYCee - 19 February 2008

My boyfriend said the same as soon as the split screen started and Obama rolled over her.

My boyfriend is Tim Russert, everyone!

[sobs, scurries off]

[How ’bout those Bills! sob]

191. Miss Devore - 19 February 2008

Damn Obama! If Hillary is the nom we can whine up a storm about how everything is fixed. Pick our scabs. Geez, it sounds like the preference of people here.

You are all very smart and witty, but Joanna Average doesn’t post here.

When you are seeing record turnouts for primaries, what is your assessment? They must be jeebus-loving idiots! But you are not snobs. You must have 35 years of experience, at least.

Some of you are big in whining about the lack of substance in Obama. Same some that will pick up the trivialities reflexively as Buchanan or Scarborough will.

What seperates you from reactionaries?

192. NYCee - 19 February 2008

Hawaii doesnt happen till the midnight hour.


And that’s just when they start to vote. Or caucus/horse trade, as they say.

193. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

Hawaii is a caucus, and it doesn’t start until late, local time.

Via Crooks & Liars:

Thousands of Prairie View Students March 7.3 Miles to Vote

Early voting starts today in Texas. In Waller County, a primarily rural county about 60 miles outside Houston, the county made the decision to offer only one early voting location: at the County Courthouse in Hempstead, TX, the county seat.

Prairie View A&M students organized to protest the decision, because they felt it hindered their ability to vote. For background, Prairie View A&M is one of Texas’ historically Black universities. It has a very different demographic feel than the rest of the county. There has been a long history of dispute over what the students feel is disenfranchisement. There was a lot of outrage in 2006, when students felt they were unfairly denied the right to vote when their registrations somehow did not get processed. [snip]

So what are the students doing?

1000 students, along with an additional 1000 friends and supporters, are this morning walking the 7.3 miles between Prairie View and Hempstead in order to vote today. According to the piece I saw on the news (there’s no video up, so I can’t link to it), the students plan to all vote today. There are only 2 machines available at the courthouse for early voting, so they hope to tie them up all day and into the night.

194. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 February 2008

What seperates you from reactionaries?

Well, plainly NOTHING.

gotta get back to digging my secret bunker to hide from Obama and the UN’s black helicopters.


195. NYCO - 19 February 2008

Reactionaries? What is this, the Cultural Revolution?

196. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

Did Pat Buchanan just call him “Bama”?

197. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

Hawaii doesnt happen till the midnight hour.

K. Thanks. If it’s one of those baked goods caucuses, it’s definitely going for Obama.

198. NYCO - 19 February 2008

Oh and BTW, Joanna Average is a good friend of mine. She just doesn’t know it yet.

199. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

When you are seeing record turnouts for primaries, what is your assessment?

People are sick and fucking tired of George W Bush and the neocons.

What seperates you from reactionaries?

My beret is crocheted.

200. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

Tweety asks a trick question: name Obama’s legislative accomplishments.

Texas Dem guy: ummm…duh…I’m not going to be able to do that tonite.


201. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2008

LMAO you guys catching this texan who can’t come up with a god damn thing about Obama LOL OUCH OUCH OUCH!


202. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

State Sen Kirk Watson – that clip’s definitely going to be making the rounds.

203. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

That was seriously BAD. lol

204. wilfred - 19 February 2008

But Tweety NEVER asks that shit of the right-wing. Even Keith called him on it afterwards.

205. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2008

Oh that was BAaaad.

206. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2008

Whatever catnip says I’ll plagerize it a few seconds later..LO

207. lucid - 19 February 2008

Did Timmy just say that Hillary has to win 65% of all remaining delegates to win the nomination? I’m not sure I heard him correctly.

He said that if Barak wins Vermont, Wyoming and South Dakota, Hillary needs 65% of the big state [TX, OH & PA] to win.

I think she’s just about toast. Bring on the change! 😉

208. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

Now my cat’s saying that he was actually born in Montana and wants to join Democats Abroad so he can vote. Mon dieu!

209. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

Whatever catnip says I’ll plagerize it a few seconds later..LO

Not to worry. It’s not like I can afford a lawyer to sue you. 🙂

210. lucid - 19 February 2008

What seperates you from reactionaries?

Our actual politics perhaps?

211. wilfred - 19 February 2008

I’m afraid I already have the response to Obama in ’12

“plus ca change……”

212. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

“plus ca change……”

You read my mind. (Watch out or I’ll nail you for plagiarism too.) 🙂

213. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2008

LOL. If Obama is smart they should quickly make a humorous viral vid with the guy along the lines of

Barack Obama coaching surrogates saying

“Okay People, This is What NOT to say on Live National Television.”

an exasperated BO saying

“C’mon man, you can’t say nothin”!!!’

Then the guy saying something like,

‘Well I”M not ready for Prime Time.”

With Obama rolling his eyeballs., shakin his head maybe pivoting off into his List of accomplishments which is
well I dunno, The National Pulse and Respiration Adviseability Act, sumpin’…LOL…

Anyways, I’m only half joking…Seriously, that is potentially a disastrous pivotal moment.Coupled with the Michele “Not Proud” moment, it’ll get rolled into some type of “Who ARE these People?@!??” commercial…

How they pivot off her agffes I have no clue, they (BO’s campaign)certainly can’t bring up her stuff directly…

They should do something proactive with this moment here tonight, though..That is going to be seen millions of times over the next few days…

214. marisacat - 19 February 2008

nu thred…

sorry ti took forever, the back pages at WP are slow to not moving…


215. BooHooHooMan - 19 February 2008

No kidding?! MY cat was born in Montana!

216. wilfred - 19 February 2008

#211, LC that’s me doing my Amazing Kreskin act!

217. marisacat - 19 February 2008

it’s been happening in Focus Groups on Cspan.

They just took it to a supporter, with a name and one who is an elected. Might be expected to have some vague idea of what the meat might be. Past meat, not asking for a concrete idea for the future.


218. Miss Devore - 19 February 2008

And what do you mean by “actual politics”?

a serious question.

Politics, to me, is a way of garnering power from the populus. For good or worse. Dubya succeeded politically, by garnering 2 terms from the worst inclinations of the populace.

What makes ya’ll so sure that Obama isn’t garnering power from the better inclinations?

219. NYCee - 19 February 2008

Hark! I see a pantsuit flying by my window. Whizzing erratically, like a balloon losing air.

220. liberalcatnip - 19 February 2008

No kidding?! MY cat was born in Montana!

No kidding? We must be related then…or something…ummm… 😉

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