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[[[[[ shudder ]]]]] ~~~ Updated shudder 20 February 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, U.S. Senate, WAR!.


Well yes that is Bush… but just imagine Ms Iseman in his place.so delicate and elegant, a truly refined face... NOT

Thanks to HCFM and catnip who posted it within a couple minutes of each other…

Brrreaking: For McCain, Self-Confidence on Ethics Poses Its Own Risk

WASHINGTON — Early in Senator John McCain’s first run for the White House eight years ago, waves of anxiety swept through his small circle of advisers.

A female lobbyist had been turning up with him at fund-raisers, in his offices and aboard a client’s corporate jet. Convinced the relationship had become romantic, some of his top advisers intervened to protect the candidate from himself — instructing staff members to block the woman’s access, privately warning her away and repeatedly confronting him, several people involved in the campaign said on the condition of anonymity.

When news organizations reported that Mr. McCain had written letters to government regulators on behalf of the lobbyist’s clients, the former campaign associates said, some aides feared for a time that attention would fall on her involvement.

Mr. McCain, 71, and the lobbyist, Vicki Iseman, 40, both say they never had a romantic relationship. But to his advisers, even the appearance of a close bond with a lobbyist whose clients often had business before the Senate committee Mr. McCain led threatened the story of redemption and rectitude that defined his political identity…


NBC News just on out here… The Obamas lead… he as front runner – she splainin’.  Timing a bit off… but perhaps McCain captures, with Ms Iseman, tomorrow’s cycle…

Not sure how it shakes out… I am tempted to give credit (ew, have a lemon scented towel) to Axelrod… he is often credited with clearing the way for Obama in his senate run, first of a Dem primary challenger then the Republican opposite.  Both thru leaked divorce details… Blair Hull was the Dem and Ryan was the R…

But, who knows.  Operative land is quivering… Film at 11  ??

Ooopps, NBC news getting the Iseman story in now…


UPDATE, 6:23 am

Thanks to JJB from Attytood…. Ms Iseman flies high.  Or is a fly buzzing around…


From the Attytood page, loved these lines from her alumnus update:

 In addition, she has met Melanie Griffith, Britney Spears, Bo Derek, and former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani.

And, of course, George Bush and John McCain.

Will wonders never cease?




1. NYCO - 20 February 2008

isn’t this all happening a little early?

Seems to me someone is just trying to air McCain out in preparation for the general.

2. wilfred - 20 February 2008

My favorite photo of this decade! I call it “Bush and his stateside poodle”. It completely encapsulates the relationship between the worst president ever and that of his congress.

please promise you’ll run this one regularly.

3. marisacat - 20 February 2008

well it was esp fun tonight… bush in hand… and all that.

I will see too if I can locate a great link I found on McCain a couple of years ago. All the dirt lined up (and on his wife’s family as well)… and from a Mid West conservative pro mil pro gun group that just hates him.

4. wilfred - 20 February 2008

Buried in that NY Times piece is that McCain never declared the trip on the Paxson corporate jet he took with Iseman although he fessed up to others.

5. Hair Club for Men - 20 February 2008

I’ve been thinking about what Bush and McCain are talking about in that photo and I remembered how close it was to the destruction of Falujah.

McCain: Bomb
Bush: Yes. We’re going to bomb.
McCain: Bomb
Bush: Yes. Bomb
McCain: Bomb
Bush: Yes. We’re going to flatten Fallujah, level it, wipe it off the face of the earth.
McCain: Bomb?
Bush: Yes. To the stone age.
McCain: Oh thank you. Thank you.

6. Miss Devore - 20 February 2008

2. the bush/mccain birthday cake moment while Katrina was raging is lodged in my mind.

7. Hair Club for Men - 20 February 2008

Vicki: Come here Big John and show us you’ve got a little Woodstock in you. Yeah. I wasn’t born yet but I heard the sex was wild.

McCain: Don’t talk about Woodstock. I was in Vietnam at the time.

Vicki: Yes you were. Come to Vicki my big war hero.

McCain: I was locked up for 5 years.

Vicki: Yes.

McCain: 5 years and I couldn’t…

Vicki: Yes. I know it got lonely.

McCain: In a hole for 5 years.

Vicki: Yes poor dear and with no female company.

McCain (Sobbing): I couldn’t bomb anybody. I couldn’t. Nixon was going to use nukes and I heard about it and I thought (sobbing some more) I thought I wouldn’t even be in on it. I didn’t get to bomb Cambodia. I missed the whole escalation.

Vicki: Poor dear. Escalation.

McCain: The surge of my generation and I missed it.

8. bayprairie - 20 February 2008

Mr. McCain, 71, and the lobbyist, Vicki Iseman, 40, both say they never…

if he putzes around and blows the election he can always get a job hawking viagra on teevee.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 February 2008
10. lucid - 20 February 2008

Honestly it was probably the McCain camp to make him appear virile and rock starish…

11. bayprairie - 20 February 2008

yeah, they’ll prolly start handing out free condoms at every campaign stop.

trojan mavericks

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 February 2008
13. marisacat - 20 February 2008

LOL.. I was asleep but feel pretty sure the earth did not move:

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:



14. BooHooHooMan - 20 February 2008

McCain Lobby Gal Reps for Hillary / DNC Bundler Haim Saban, Israel Firster who bought Univision, Largest Spanish Language Network in 2006. Great Timing no??

Iseman and her firm, which includes high-profile Republicans and Democrats, have also represented a number of other companies that have had issues before McCain and the Commerce Committee, including Univision, the Spanish-language television network. Iseman clients have given nearly $85,000 to McCain campaigns since 2000, according to records at the Federal Election Commission. -WaPo

Univision, is owned by

Haim Saban (Hebrew: חיים סבן; born 15 October 1944 in Alexandria, Egypt) is a television and media proprietor. With an estimated current net worth of around $3.4 billion, he is ranked by Forbes as the 102nd richest person in America.

Saban and his family, along with much of the Egyptian Jewish community, fled Egypt for Israel after the 1956 Suez War. He currently resides in Beverly Hills, California, and in Israel….Snip

In June 2006, he was part of an investor group led by Texas Pacific Group of Fort Worth, Texas and Thomas H. Lee Partners that won the bid for Univisión, the largest Spanish-language media company in the United States. The bid was for $12.7 billion (USD). Shareholders have filed a lawsuit over the handling of the deal. [1]


Saban summarized his politics in a 2004 New York Times interview with the statement, “I’m a one-issue guy and my issue is Israel.”[2]

Saban has donated to the US Democratic Party and the Israeli Labor Party, he has also donated to Republicans including George W. Bush, and has business affiliations with Rupert Murdoch. In the 2001-2002 election cycle, his Saban Capital group donated over $10 million to the Democratic National Committee[3], the largest donation from a single source up to that time.

He also founded the Saban Center for Middle East Policy[4] at the Brookings Institution, installing Martin Indyk as its director.

Saban joined Steven Spielberg and Jeffrey Katzenberg in endorsing the re-election of Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republican Governor of California, on August 7, 2006


His maxed out prez money is behind Hillary.

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 February 2008

see kids, it works! lets spend more money on our destabilizing, bullshit missile shield!

16. BooHooHooMan - 20 February 2008

Saban has given to Bush Rahm and Durbin, 5 grand to Hill PAC in 05,
lotta other toadies ,
No Dough for BO Tho…LOL

17. BooHooHooMan - 20 February 2008

LOL…thick as Thieves


Iseman, 40, who joined the Arlington-based firm of Alcalde & Fay as a secretary and rose to partner within a few years, often touted her access to the chairman of the Senate commerce committee as she worked on behalf of clients such as Cablevision, EchoStar and Tribune Broadcasting, according to several other lobbyists who spoke on the condition of anonymity. Snip

Three telecom lobbyists and a former McCain aide, all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity, said that Iseman spoke up regularly at meetings of telecom lobbyists in Washington, extolling her connections to McCain and his office. She would regularly volunteer at those meetings to be the point person for the telecom industry in dealing with McCain’s office.

Concern about Iseman’s presence around McCain at one point led to her being banned from his Senate office, according to sources close to McCain.

Iseman’s bio on her lobbying firm’s Web site notes, “She has extensive experience in telecommunications, representing corporations before the House and Senate Commerce Committees.”

Her partners at Alcalde & Fay include L.A. “Skip” Bafalis, a former five-term Republican congressman from Florida, and Michael A. Brown, the son of former commerce secretary Ronald H. Brown and a former Democratic candidate for mayor of the District.

18. marisacat - 20 February 2008

… and the Saban Chair at the Brookings. Which Ken Pollock sat in for some years.

we are so fucked. Over and over.

19. BooHooHooMan - 20 February 2008

All these media dealings tie into the aggregation of Comcast. And where there is Comcast (hope they don’t smote me down), there is Eddie Eddie Eddie Rendell…
big deal for their HQ in Philly…All kinds of FCC reg evasion… stock swaps, spin offs, less than arms length operating agreements…bonanza for the dual-op law firms too, clearly…

…. and where there is Media, Content and Distribution agreements, there is Hillary Rosen and Rahm…I don’t know any more delicate way to put it…Has Secular Judaism in this country all but gone out the window like the Catholics and Christian Fundies???

Jesus, (irony noted) if it wasn’t for the contributions of Progressive Jews in this country where would the Labor movement have been?

20. BooHooHooMan - 20 February 2008

I really do paint religious affiliation of any kind with a broad brush now. Hardly able to distinguish culture and heritage from poison all around…

21. marisacat - 20 February 2008

This is from her bio at Alcalde, they flattered her taking the evening gown division pic.

22. BooHooHooMan - 20 February 2008

I just got through the FEC on Saban…He has Given 1.3 Million to the Dems since 2000… Huge money to Rahm at DCCC 5000 grand to Rahms PAC “Our Common Values” ….of all the dough that’s been controlled by Rahm over the years, OBAM got 2 grand for Sen in 2004..

True, The General for Ill Sen in 2004 was a walk,
so the pittance from Rahms PAC to BO Illinois Sen not a surprise by itself, but clearly , – he wasn’t leaving any organization building money laying around for BO..

23. BooHooHooMan - 20 February 2008

McCain must have some kind of “Remind Me of Momma” thing…

24. marisacat - 20 February 2008

I cannot believe that Rahm was in any way opposed to the rise of Obama. I have no idea how that crowd ran things but so many ways to direct money/influence/leverage around.

Again, he has never had a hard campaign in his life. The Senate run is constantly glossed over in recap pieces, the impression is left that he survived some great effort…, very similar to her Daley office connection.

BTW, Axelrod started as a Chic Trib reporter, before taking on clients.

25. marisacat - 20 February 2008

then again, Rahm and Bill worked hand in hand in some of the House runs in 06…

who knows. IF ONLY they would consume, subsume, kill each other, that whole crowd.

26. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 February 2008

Torture, Same As It Ever Was

with that nightmare, I’m off to bed.

27. liberalcatnip - 20 February 2008

So, Saban gave massive amounts of money to the Repubs and the Dems. But, never fear! The two parties are as different as nite and day!

Carry on.

28. liberalcatnip - 20 February 2008

Bush’s approval number: 19%.

That’s nearing Cheney territory and it would be huge news if all of this election sideshow crap wasn’t going on.

29. liberalcatnip - 20 February 2008

Don’t sack Musharraf, US and UK warn election victors

Once again, democracy sucks when you don’t get your way.

30. marisacat - 20 February 2008

Halperin’s The Page, a round up links, McCain responses and a link back to the Wapo article, from Dec.

When there was little hope of real traction. Still a couple weeks til Iowa.


For Immediate Release

Wednesday, February 20, 2008

ARLINGTON, VA — U.S. Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign today issued the following statement by Communications Director Jill Hazelbaker:

“It is a shame that the New York Times has lowered its standards to engage in a hit and run smear campaign. John McCain has a 24-year record of serving our country with honor and integrity. He has never violated the public trust, never done favors for special interests or lobbyists, and he will not allow a smear campaign to distract from the issues at stake in this election.

“Americans are sick and tired of this kind of gutter politics, and there is nothing in this story to suggest that John McCain has ever violated the principles that have guided his career.”

It’s the classic…

oh I don’t know. I enjoy watching rot gut pols squirm. Even ones who say they are pure and invoke prayers for themselves, of course..

31. liberalcatnip - 20 February 2008

This is sad. lol Candidate Guilty of Faking Disappearance (He was running as a Dem.)

32. liberalcatnip - 20 February 2008

Americans are sick and tired of this kind of gutter politics

Right. That’s why FAUX has so many viewers.

33. BooHooHooMan - 20 February 2008

I cannot believe that Rahm was in any way opposed to the rise of Obama.-mcat I agree I was speaking to the short leash..He’s sittin pretty either way..

In the same review of Rahms dough, He gave Reid 2 grand.LOL. .Not that Reid would have needed it but it’s picnic money..But In a Mafia Family, Rahm would have been whacked for the insult, the lack of “tribute” to a Boss …It really is laughable as it just turns the CW of who’s runnin who on its head, shows we’re well beyond the quaint idea of special interests or influence peddlers,….We live under a corporate gangster state. With plenty of Lawyers, Judges and Politicians on the Payroll… Cops and The Army a phone call away. Rahm gave 5 grand to Wes Clark this time around. You like to Party Wes? How ’bout a blogger convention?

34. BooHooHooMan - 20 February 2008

Candidate Guilty of Faking Disappearance-Catnip

that Guy’s all fucked up…He was supposed to fake *Appearance when running, then disappear *after getting elected….

35. BooHooHooMan - 20 February 2008

I’m out .

36. BooHooHooMan - 20 February 2008

No I’m not.

37. BooHooHooMan - 20 February 2008

I was just fakin… LOL. Now I’m out..G’night…

38. marisacat - 20 February 2008

We live under a corporate gangster state. With plenty of Lawyers, Judges and Politicians on the Payroll… Cops and The Army a phone call away.

agree,,, and once the scrim drops, it is very much on view.

39. marisacat - 21 February 2008
40. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 February 2008

“Americans are sick and tired of this kind of gutter politics, and there is nothing in this story to suggest that John McCain has ever violated the principles that have guided his career.”

Oh, yes … he was just an innocent member of the Keating Five. Fucker manages to turn getting caught up in corrupt dealings into a public relations makeover, and the media helped, for years.

41. JJB - 21 February 2008

As a sidenote to this McCain/lobbyist story, Duncan Black notes that (like lobbyist Vicki Iseman) he too attended Indiana University of Pennsylvania, an institution of alleged higher learning that may actually be a few cuts below Northern Illinois University, Kosolini’s alma mater. I realize that only so many people can go to Penn State, and the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania’s other public colleges are pretty lousy, but still . . .

42. JJB - 21 February 2008

Forgot to post this, which DB links to, a photo of the very gregarious Ms. Iseman and another prominent GOP politico. Make a lovely couple, don’t they? 🙂

43. JJB - 21 February 2008

BTW, I wonder if Ms. Iseman gets to deduct her plastic surgeon’s bills as a business expense? I, for one, would be willing to argue in favor of it’s legitimacy as a dedction. (Retracts claws, goes to start long hard work of sleeping in sun all day.)

44. liberalcatnip - 21 February 2008

UK apology over rendition flights

David Miliband has admitted two US “extraordinary rendition” flights landed on UK territory in 2002.

The foreign secretary said in both cases, US planes refuelled on the UK dependent territory of Diego Garcia.

He said he was “very sorry” to have to say that previous denials made in “good faith” were now having to be corrected.

Diego Garcia – that secret place where the natives were turfed to make way for the military. Has anybody ever apologized for that?

Denials made in “good faith”? GMAFB.

45. liberalcatnip - 21 February 2008

I should check to see if this victory by the island’s previous inhabitants was ever appealed by the British government.

46. liberalcatnip - 21 February 2008

It looks like it’s still up for appeal at the end of this year. Maybe the British gov’t will be embarrassed enough by these admissions of rendition flights that it’ll drop the appeal. That would be one way to begin to make restitutions for the wrong it’s done to the Chagossians and those who were on those torture flights.

47. liberalcatnip - 21 February 2008

We live under a corporate gangster state.

And you need a program to keep up with all of the players. I remember reading Friends in High Places many years ago, one of many books that would have clued people into the fact that the Iraq invasion was all about oil, global domination and capitalism if more people had actually read it (and the topic/scope of which senators like Clinton obviously would have known about before she voted for the AUMF).

The connections of those “Friends in High Places” that go back for decades at least gave me a huge hint at the time that the entire US gov’t system was more corrupt than I had ever realized – even after living through Vietnam, Watergate and Iran/Contra.

And its backroom realities like that that stop me from buying all of this “hope” and “change” talk from any of the two big party candidates. Just how do they think they can infiltrate and change a system that is so beholden to the almighty dollar and corporate greed? And why haven’t Clinton and Obama (to my knowledge) said anything about the fate of the contractors in Iraq? Bringing the “troops” home is not enough. And what about the secretive SPP meetings that are only perpetuating the power of companies like Bechtel etc? Has anybody renounced those? Of course not.

So, while the little people are being swept away by all of this “change” euphoria, it just feels so much like observing a snake oil salesman pitching his cure in an old time revival tent. What’s really going to change?

48. liberalcatnip - 21 February 2008
49. liberalcatnip - 21 February 2008

They were just applauding his grasp of the tissues.


Posted by: HumbleGenius | February 20, 2008 8:02 PM

pa dum pum…lol

50. marisacat - 21 February 2008

well in the vein of endless diversion… which imo “change” and “hope”, as currently served up, are… there is this comment at Attytood:

The NYT is an establishment rag. The real story here is, they don’t care who gets in office but they want to make it seem like they’re doing their job. If they want to investigate something, investigate McCain’s connections to the military industrial complex. This is garbage they feed us because they think that’s all we care about. They think we’re stupid–and they’re probably right.

Posted by: James Croghan at February 21, 2008 5:54 AM

51. marisacat - 21 February 2008


the Holy Snizzle.


52. lucid - 21 February 2008

The thread under the snot applause story is quite hilarious as well… That Obama lawsuit thing comes up & from what I can tell, several regulars begin a flame war. Good times.

Speaking of which, maybe I should try the hanky approach to becoming a rock star, hell I’ve been sick for 3 weeks, might as well give it a try. 🙂

53. melvin - 21 February 2008

has it occurred to anyone that right now is the perfect time for this McCain story to come out?

A month ago, it could have cost him the nomination. Just before the election, it might do some real damage. But right now, and only right now, there is plenty of time to massage it away (ew, sorry).

It even serves the purpose of getting him in all the headlines at a time when there is no other reason for anyone to be interested in his campaign.

54. NYCO - 21 February 2008

So, while the little people are being swept away by all of this “change” euphoria, it just feels so much like observing a snake oil salesman pitching his cure in an old time revival tent.

I’ve tried to search (what remains of) my soul for why this election just isn’t getting me excited. Worse, it’s somehow making me feel like a lid is being put on meaningful change. For the last 6-7 years everyone has been under Bush’s thumb and I think that made people bolder in considering alternative possibilities to the whole tired arrangement… but now, well, it’s going to be “Hail to the Chief” again though maybe with a little more forced Sixties parroting. Clinton II without the Clintons? Or do I just not want to go back to business as usual?

I feel kinda gypped, actually. Like the next four years are gonna be really, really boring and boldness is going to be forgotten. Someone tell me how we can elect a new president that is still essentially for the same program (“American Dream 1.0”) in hard economic times, without having him (1) taking us off to a Great Good War or (2) donning sweaters and preaching to us about our national malaise…?

All things being equal, I think I would have felt less gypped with a genuine Clinton II… at least the left would have felt really galvanized around concrete issues, not just singing campfire songs together.

okay, that’s my current state of thinking. Shoot away!

55. marisacat - 21 February 2008




out of Moderation.. Sorry for the delay…


56. JJB - 21 February 2008

Big trouble in Belgrade today:

Rioters set fire to buildings and attacked the United States Embassy in Belgrade, the Serbian capital, on Thursday after tens of thousands of people rallied to protest Kosovo’s declaration of independence four days ago.

Television footage showed rioters attacking the fence outside the Embassy and setting some buildings on fire. Masked attackers climbed over a first-floor railing at the Embassy and tried to throw furniture from an office, The Associated Press reported, and fire broke out along the mission’s front facade.

The A.P. also reported that the neighboring Croatian Embassy was attacked by protesters and that riot police fired tear gas and drove armored jeeps down the street to clear the crowd.

Tens of thousands of Serbs, incensed by Kosovo’s declaration of independence, which Serbia says was a blatant breach of international law, had converged on Belgrade for the mass rally.

The organizers had said they expected 500,000 people to attend the protests, and there had been cross-party calls for the rally to be peaceful.

Meanwhile, at a border checkpoint at Merdare, about 30 miles northeast of Pristina, Kosovo’s capital, hundreds of Serbian army reservists threw stones at police and NATO-led peacekeepers and set fires using burning tires, The Associated Press reported.

The reservists, most wearing their uniforms, chanted: “Kosovo is ours! Kosovo is Serbia!” The A.P. reported.

Denmark and Estonia were reported on Thursday to have become the latest countries officially to recognize Kosovo as an independent state.

The clashes at Merdare were the latest violence at the border between Kosovo and Serbia. Over the past few days since the ethnic Albanian majority declared the province’s independence from Serbia, Serbs in northern Kosovo have continued what appeared to be a drive to force a partition.

On Wednesday, a mob of 300 Serbs wielding clubs and tools gathered on a road near Cabra in northern Kosovo, a small village of ethnic Albanians, prompting NATO to send armored vehicles and tanks to head them off.

Earlier, ethnic Albanian police officers, part of Kosovo’s multiethnic police force, were forced out of the neighboring Serb village, where they were patrolling with fellow officers who were Serbs. It was the latest sign that Serbs in Kosovo, angered by the declaration of independence, are trying to assert control over the northern part of Kosovo, the majority of whose residents are ethnic Serbs.

NATO peacekeeping troops closed off roads between Serbia and northern Kosovo, and United Nations police officers guarded checkpoints still smoldering after they were burned down Tuesday by several hundred Serbs in what the police said appeared to be an organized operation, The Associated Press reported.

Indicating that the violence could be a prelude to an effort to force a partition of northern Kosovo, the Serbian minister for Kosovo, Metohija Slobodan Samardzic, said the destruction of the United Nations checkpoints was in line with Serbia’s policies. “It might not be pleasant, but it is legitimate,” he said, adding that Serbia would be seeking to enlarge its operations in northern Kosovo, where it provides education, culture and health services to the ethnic Serb population.

A little voice in the back of my head keeps repeating “some damned fool thing in the Balkans.” Smart man, that Otto von Bismark, though while he saw what would happen clearly, he was no more able to prevent it eventually happening than any number of other people.

57. liberalcatnip - 21 February 2008

McCain upstaged by real news: Belgrade protesters break into U.S. embassy

Holbrooke’s on the teevee blaming it on the Russians.

58. liberalcatnip - 21 February 2008

Holbrooke said there’s no security in the embassy but a CNN reporter said there were marines there. And good luck getting NATO troops to go there.

59. JJB - 21 February 2008

melvin, no. 53,

According to Josh Marshall, the Times might have rushed to get this story out because a number of other MSM outlets were preparing their own stories on the subject. He thinks the Times story reads like a hodge-podge partly because it was rushed, and partly because in-house lawyers demanded certain things be excised.

60. JJB - 21 February 2008

liberalcatnip, no. 57,

Please forgive Holbrooke, he’s unintentionally channeling the thoughts of some Hapsburg functionary, circa July 1914.

61. liberalcatnip - 21 February 2008

Wesley Clark on CNN. It’s like deja vu all over again.

62. JJB - 21 February 2008
63. liberalcatnip - 21 February 2008

Please forgive Holbrooke, he’s unintentionally channeling the thoughts of some Hapsburg functionary, circa July 1914.

lol…round and round it goes…where it stops, nobody knows.

64. liberalcatnip - 21 February 2008

The Socialist Worker was on it too earlier this week. This really is sounding like another “no one could have predicted the breach of the levees” situation. If this was predicted, why wasn’t the US embassy better protected? Wes Clark is now blaming the Serbian gov’t for the lax security. It looks like Bush will be off the hook for this one too.

65. marisacat - 21 February 2008


we are all to be changelings!

66. liberalcatnip - 21 February 2008

at least the left would have felt really galvanized around concrete issues, not just singing campfire songs together.

Well, as I’ve written, I think it’s a matter of realistically looking at what can happen if a Dem wins the WH. They’ll still have congress to deal with and if the configuration stays basically the same as it is now, there’s not much movement on big issues (a la Dem promises) to be had unless Dem supporters are into continuing the executive power reaches that Bush now has. All of this talk about reaching across the aisle looks pretty unrealistic to me. Add the fact that government moves very slowly along with the Dems refusing to hold Bushco accountable and it doesn’t make for a very encouraging picture.

67. JJB - 21 February 2008

liberalcatnip, no. 64,

Apparently, the embassy was “closed,” so at least some precautions were taken. Apparently, there was no one in the embassy building itself, and the Marine guards had been moved to another part of the compound.

This passage was interesting:

Doctors at Belgrade’s emergency clinic reported treating more than 30 injured, half of whom were policemen. All were lightly injured, said Dusan Jovanovic, deputy chief of the clinic, adding that most of the injured protesters were “extremely drunk.”

Oh, the evils of the demon slivovitz!

68. JJB - 21 February 2008

Forgot the link in my previous comment.

69. Miss Devore - 21 February 2008

A helicopter carrying U.S. Sens. John Kerry, Joe Biden and Chuck Hagel makes an emergency landing in Afghanistan. (CNN breaking)

70. Miss Devore - 21 February 2008

….due to weather.

71. marisacat - 21 February 2008

well along with all the sturm and drang, I saw a [as it was reported] peaceful demonstration of what was called “150K” in the streets of … I think Belgrade, againsst the breakaway.

Along wtih, of course what ever else…. done by whomever.

I heard a report that the Embassy was closed for the week and the ambassador “at home”…

72. liberalcatnip - 21 February 2008

I was just listening to CBC news where they were interviewing a documentary filmmaker in Serbia. He said that he didn’t think the police there, who were more than likely sympathetic to the protesters on the issue of anger about Kosovo’s independence, would resort to any kind of firepower against the protesters. He also said that the protest began peacefully enough and that the violence seemed to just gain momentum on the ground as things unfolded (add alcohol here). One of the CBC’s reporters said that the US embassy building they’re showing is just part of the compound, as you noted, and that the rest of it seemed to be okay. As for the days and months to come, the filmmaker said he thought this was just the beginning.

I was just listening to Eagleburger on CNN saying NATO had better step up (or else, damnit – parapharsed). Why does the US seem to forget that it’s a part of NATO so frequently? Whenever US politicians talk about NATO (as with the UN), they treat it as if it’s ust a European entity.

73. JJB - 21 February 2008

liberalcatnip, no. 72,

Well, what Eagleburger is really saying is that the vassal states should remember who their lord and master is, and they’d better do our bidding without question, or else. This is generally the attitude most US politicians take w/r/t NATO, although the GOPeratives are usually less subtle about it.

74. liberalcatnip - 21 February 2008

Report: U.K. gov’t hid reference to Israel on Iraq weapons dossier

The British newspaper The Guardian reported Thursday that the Foreign Office in London had successfully managed to conceal a reference to Israel in a September 2002 document on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, fearing harm to bilateral ties.

The Guardian says that the word “Israel” was handwritten next to a statement in the “now discredited” dossier which said that “no other country [apart from Iraq] has flouted the United Nations’ authority so brazenly in pursuit of weapons of mass destruction.”

According to The Guardian, “a senior Foreign Office official” says that the move was aimed at preventing any damage to relations between Israel and the United Kingdom.

Here’s the Guardian article.

FFS, why is it so difficult to admit the truth? It’s not like the Brits were going to abandon Israel any time soon.

75. marisacat - 21 February 2008

new thread…


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