Assassination masturbation 22 February 2008
Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, U.S. Senate, WAR!.trackback
One of the reasons I grit my teeth over all the comparisons is … assassination. Careful what you yearn for… Which is not to say America is not loaded with nutters, crazies, supremacists, racists, etc., of all sorts. Some highly weaponised.
We have prayer circles out here in CA about it… I caught a long time local activist, Eve Patterson, last week on a PBS news program. She seemed a little too pleased by the threat of it all, that a chosen one risks death…. Just my harsh observation. Distasteful as well as unwise, imo.
Probably my first and last assassination slurp diary. And a good one to kiss the game off with. It hits, along with the thread, all the points. (And then some. Don’t miss the messy minuet between denali and the sock puppet, VertheVik.)
My view, the right wing, the Eternal Government, has no desire for any more high profile martyrs on the so called Left of the Aisle. None. They have highly effective methods of political assassination and very much enjoy employing those strategies. No decades of adoration.
To really risk state assassination one would have to oppose war, seek to broadly organise the disenfranchised, organise the newly disenfranchised. Lead a Poor Peoples’ March.
That sort of thing.
I am just listening to Samantha Powers, surely some sort of queen of the modern, soft faced war… she is on with Rose. To hawk her new book on Sergio de Mello. She says early on he was described as a cross between James Bond and RFK.
Be careful what you wish for. She closes saying we will, for a long time, be dealing with “broken people in broken places”.
Her fondest hope, I do believe, is just that. In our position as Gawd, of course. No matter what face we wear.
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A couple of the last comments from the previous thread:
catnip:
The British Embassy in Belgrade came under attack as protests against Kosovan independence swept the Serbian capital, Foreign Secretary David Miliband said.
Damage to the building was “limited” and embassy staff were safe, Mr Miliband said.
The United States Embassy was torched by Serb rioters and a charred body was found after the attack.
Reportedly one of the protesters. Not confirmed yet.
Feb 22, 12:57 AM
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JJB:
Turkey has invaded Iraqi Kurdistan:
Turkish troops have launched a ground incursion across the border into Iraq in pursuit of separatist Kurdish rebels, the military said Friday — a move that dramatically escalates Turkey’s conflict with the militants.
It is the first confirmed ground operation by the Turkish military into Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein. It also raised concerns that it could trigger a wider conflict with the U.S.-backed Iraqi Kurds, despite Turkish assurances that its only target was the Kurdistan Workers Party, or PKK.
The ground operation started after Turkish warplanes and artillery bombed suspected rebel targets on Thursday, the military said on its Web site. The ground incursion was backed by the Air Force, the statement said.
Turkey has conducted air raids against the PKK guerrillas in northern Iraq since December, with the help of U.S. intelligence, and it has periodically carried out so-called ”hot pursuits” in which small units sometimes spend only a few hours inside Iraq.
The announcement of a cross-border, ground incursion of a type that Turkey carried out before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 was a major development in the conflict, which started in 1984 and has claimed as many as 40,000 lives.
The Kurdish militants are fighting for autonomy in Turkey’s predominantly Kurdish southeast, and have carried out attacks on Turkish targets from bases in northern Iraq. The U.S. and the European Union consider the PKK a terrorist organization.
”The Turkish Armed Forces, which values Iraq’s territorial integrity and its stability, will return as soon as planned goals are achieved,” the military said. ”The executed operation will prevent the region from being a permanent and safe base for the terrorists and will contribute to Iraq’s stability and internal peace.”
Private NTV television said 10,000 troops were taking part in the offensive and had penetrated six miles into Iraq.
Of course, the MSM insists on using the Nixonian “incursion.”
Things seem to be spinning out of control.
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My view, the right wing, the Eternal Government, has no desire for any more high profile martyrs on the so called Left of the Aisle. None. They have highly effective methods of political assassination and very much enjoy employing those strategies. No decades of adoration.
They had all the same things in the 60s. Google the name “Joe Alsop”. J Edgar Hoover had photos of him engaged in gay sex in Moscow so whenever the FBI needed a “Martin Luther King is a communist” article in the press, they could just drop the article by and he’d publish it under his name.
The difference I think now is the PR/brainwashing infrastructure. They have a whole panoply of cable news outlets/talk radio/conservative/liberal blogs that can turn anything into a discussion of the trivial.
Even if Obama were talking about substantive issues the dialog in the media would still be about plagiarism, secret trips to the mosque, Michelle Obama’s “slip”, and youthful drug addiction.
catnip:More news from Serbia:
If after 8 years of scare stories about the evil Muslims wind up turning into nothing and the world ends in a nuclear war between Russia and the USA over the Balkans (not like any major wars have ever started there before) I’ll die in flames as NYC is vaporized, laughing my ass off.
yes I know about Joe Alsop… not likely to be a decades long martyr for the left of the dial.
There has always been political take down. I am nto naive, nothing is new.
The most substantive thing I have read from Obama, from the realm outside his rally gibberish, was a link I posted here a few weeks ago.
NYT editorial board talked to both Edwards and Obama about war issues (I linked to both interviews).
Obama is for war. he will do fine.
Whoops, didn’t see new thread.
Arizona (GOP) Congressman Rick Renzi indicted for conspiracy, money laundering, insurance fraud, wire fraud, and extortion. AP version here.
And here’s a freebie photo for Bowers the Googlebomber. (This one probably ain’t worth much anymore. . . .)
Unleash the academics! One hell of a load for a campaign to carry, from Horace Campbell guest comment in Black Commentator: Barack Obama, Fractals and Momentum in Politics
(not to mention Ubuntu, HRC as Sexual Decoy, and the kitchen sink)
Dallas motorcycle cop killed in crash while escorting Hillary to Oak Cliff rally.
7 — A tragedy in itself. Can’t help wonder if it will plant the idea that her campaign is “snakebit.”
The fundamental assumption, which may be in error, is that “America” is the logical and necessary vessel for all of this revolutionary cometogetherness/ubuntu/solidarity/whatever.
That’s the central fancy – America as God’s (or humanity’s) chosen vessel for ultimate perfection. But isn’t it all just about new rhetoric to feed American exceptionalism? Will America be making war on the world in the name of “ubuntu”? If “ubuntu” develops locally in a manner that defies federal (and Wall Street) authority, won’t it still be crushed?
How can you really turn “ubuntu” into a government program… or a presidential administration, for that matter? That seems to be the central premise of the Obama campaign/movement; where is that leading?
“Snakebit” – is that a tejano expression for “cursed”?
BTW – Seems to me that if Clinton became the nominee, she’d be as much a target for gun-toting crazies as Obama.
9–His whole transformative quantum leap idea leaves Kucinich looking like the dull realist. Just who does he think BO will have as advisors? NSA? DoD, which of course he wants to expand? It’s all about the tremendous inertia.
Meant to add, I really do like the notion of BO accidentally midwifing a movement beyond his control. As an idea.
Actually, neither the FBI nor the CIA needed to blackmail Joe Alsop to do their bidding. And his sex life wasn’t a secret either, he was as out of the closet as a gay man could be in those years (30s through the pre-Stonewall 60s). His brother and for many years his partner in a syndicated column, Stewart Alsop, was almost certainly a CIA agent in the guise of a journalist. Joe would have been too, but for his sexual preferences. While not an agent like his brother, he was most definitely an asset. The KGB tried to blackmail him sometime during the 1950s, and he refused to do what they wanted. That’s the official story anyway, the truth I’m sure is far more murky.
Speaking of murky, what’s up with Turkey?
I doubt they’d bother making this kind of announcement if only a few hundred troops had been sent across the border, but who knows? Maybe this is intended mostly for domestic consumption, they way we’d hurl missiles or drop bombs on Libya/Sudan/Afghanistan in the pre-9/11 years every time we wanted to Look Tough.
I think I’ve got one in moderation . . .
AP is reporting that Nader will be on MTP this Sunday, possibly to announce another presidential run.
JJB and IB out of moderation…
Off to check Spam file…
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10– I didn’t realize it was regional. Must be a southern thing.
I see McCain, in counterpoint to Obama last night, is referring ot Cuba as “the imprisoned island”.
………long GE coming up………
spiegel has a post up on the EU tensions over Kosovo…
yeah, cursed, or bad luck. a very unpleasant, unexpected, occurrence during one’s normal routine.
i didn’t realize it was regional either. i can safely say its commonly used in the southwest.
16 – Makes sense.
The Independent‘s Iraq correspondent Patrick Cockburn was on Fresh Air last night, with some rational (though inherently lugubrious) remarks on the so-called success of the so-called surge. He sounded a little weary of having to belabor the obvious facts while reciting lifestyle conditions for everyday Iraqis.
Apparently Cockburn has a book on Muqtada A-Sadr coming out in April.
IB, no. 14,
AP is reporting that Nader will be on MTP this Sunday, possibly to announce another presidential run.
Can’t you just feel the excitement?
Anyway, didn’t he do this a couple of weeks ago (on what TV show I can’t remember) where he made that heart-rending plea for volunteer pro-bono lawyers to help him get on the ballot? Memo to Ralph: Start organizing this sort of thing more than 9 months before the general election, and you probably won’t need the lawyers.
JJB – He was on the CNN Sunday show right after the Dem debate where Blitzer got booed.
Hell hath no furrrrry like a Wolfie scorned. 🙂
Movement…
well I try to remember that politics is a dirty money driven business.
Schechter/News Dissector seems to be following a couple of lines, probably related to his work on the US debt crisis…
snip, Pritzker connection was talked about, but months ago and has receded:
embedded links at NewsDissector. He’s messy about links, sometimes you have to remove extraneous “stuff” to get the URL.
Myself I think Obamamama will jsut offer consecrated hosts to his followers and move on. What the right manages to do with it… who knows. McC and wif have managed a strong push back on a messy but not-as-published-meaty-enough story. The indications from the Obama camp is that we don’t know yet what their push back (on anything from the right, or just from exposure) is. My own guess it will be delayed then a fumble then it arrives.
My own take on it is that the R machine over all, not just money making parts of it (those preferred HIllary for obvious reasons), were happy to run agaisnt either candidate. But that McCain is very pleased to run against Obama. From their viewpoint, the visuals and the stories work. I am saying, from THEIR viewpoint.
I can see McC holding it together or alternatively popping off and losing it. BIG POPCORN OPPORTUNITY.
Interesting article about the Pakistani election at the Christian Science Monitor: Islamic stronghold in Pakistan goes secular.
I just got a Pelosi update email. Gee I am so favored, actually one of her constituents.
She refers, over and over, to the 110th as “The New Direction Congress”.
Whole lotta speed bumps in that forward movement.
LOL:
The New Direction Congress will continue these important conversations with professionals in public policy
Naturally, the actual public will be expected to continue to suffer, STFU, and/or die. Quietly, please.
Speaking of snipers . . . Clinton People Send Out O’Bomber Meme, a diary by SmileySam, links to an ABC Blotter story by Justin Rood: Clinton, Obama Spar on Ties to Radicals. Talkin’ former Weather Underground members’ donations to O vs. pardons from Bill, etc.
Tsk tsk.
well the Ayers Bernadine Dorhn has been kicking around, in little dribs and drabs for a while.
Now it goes more high profile. According to the latest post at Politico, both Ayers and Obama are refusing comment.
I have no problem, at all, with any of it. They seem to be Hyde Park fixtures… But I am reminded of the after event report from Newsweek that poor hapless Edwards was reported to have nearly screamed when he learned that Kerry had met “with terrorists” in Paris in 70/71.
LOL I had no problem with that either (Kerry in paris)… but … I am nto America.
I was tsking Singer, the Clinton spokes-e-mailer, for chucking pebbles around in the glass conservatory.
Always loved Bernadine Dohrn – the voice of the WU… She was one of the few in the recent Weather Underground Doc [which was quite good btw] who was unapologetic for the movement. WTF is she doing hanging out with Obama?
IB
oh i realised that…. 8)
LOL.. from a flea out of Brazoria. Another one:
much revelation over there … as they partially come out of their “who I support” closets. I think they are claiming their “support” for Ron Paul (who has crawled back to the Father Land Party) affected McCain’s language.
One born every minute.
ROTFLMAO… the legend continues… All hail Mcat the elitist argument flipper!
hmm fwiw:
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LOL
but will they spell my screen name right on the celebrity invites?
I am so concerned.
Ah, the stomach flu always amuses… not.
yeah… think David B got a couple off in that thread.
He is so at home there………….
Samantha Powers v Jeremy Scahill on Democracy NOW! on Balkans, Kosovo …
… and of course they got on “whose murder is better”….
On and on it goes… Reagan’s wars, Bush’s wars, Clinton’s wars, Bush’s wars… nearly were Kerry’s wars… soon to be Obama’s wars.
Major white person anxiety going on at PFF.
http://www.politicalfleshfeast.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2126
Poor dears. How dare those poor people not smile more at rich Amerikkans when they come to visit.
Athur Gilroy’s logic.
More like Fallujah than the Arabian Nights of Scherezade or a Cuban crowd all rhumbas and deep into clavé.
OMG you mean they’re not living up to your western Orientalist fantasies about what Arabs should be like.
So deeply racist and pathetic on so many levels it staggering.
And this dude’s a “liberal”.
well imo Gilroy always was a redneck. I don’t care how many jazz riffs he alludes to.
Ack. I want to desconstruct that steaming pile of shit and I want to settle in for the night, have a beer and go to bed early.
I hate the Internets.
I rest my case:
Gilroy, the Masterist, as susanw named him
How do I break it to Gilroy that I’d rather not be a part of his first person plural pronoun?
OK. First Gilroy wants to fight me now I’m making him cry.
Damn racists are so sensitive.
And State Department sponsored Jazz tours?
Yikes. Pay your own fucking way to Cairo. I don’t like my tax money paying to send this wanker to Egypt so he can come back and preach how all we white folk are just soooo in danger from the scary third world.
44 – Well, when somebody used a collective “we” with catnip over there recently, she asked the poster if he had worms.
yes i loved her ”worms” comment…
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It beats Howard Dean’s “George Bush isn’t my neighbor” remark.
I’ve got to wonder when all these scary Arabs and Mexicans and Poles (oops that was 100 years go) and Irish (oops 150 years ago) are going to get off their fucking asses and end Western civilization already.
Jesus. Come on guys. Get moving. I’ll show you where all the white women are. You won’t even have to buy a map.
I see Gilroy is happy, someone slobbered all over his Jazz Tales of the City crap.
Maybe in Gilroy’s case, it’s a single tapeworm . . . one that squeezes up his throat every few seconds, wiggles at the audience, and urges gambling.
Tonsils the Tapeworm sez “Bet on it!”
Oh, well done Jeremy. He keeps this up, though, and he’s not gonna be invited back on American cable.
BTW, was it lucid who was noting halo photos of O, a thread or two ago?
I couldn’t resist saving the URL for this one, when I saw it recently. . . maybe ’cause it seemed an interesting Einstein-Messiah variation. It was included as a sort of Easter Egg(head?) bonus (“The Obama “Choose Your Caption” pic. If you can’t take a joke, don’t click the link”) in a diary about the candidates’ rallies in Maine.
Howard, fwiw:
Like Emmanuel and Schumer and Clinton and Hoyer and et cetera don’t have the exact same fucking problems.
Ormond What’s His Fuck from PFF
Government needs to throw out religion-based bans on family planning. It would be a start. When do the Catholic hierarchs stop herding us into population explosion disasters, by saying that God’s against limiting your species’ size to sustainability?
Madison Grant (the early 20th Century racist who warned Merka against the influx of the scary East and Southern Europeans.
http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/pgr/pgr-04.html
In the Middle Ages, through persecution resulting in actual death, life imprisonment, and banishment, the free thinking, progressive, and intellectual elements were persistently eliminated over large areas, leaving the perpetuation of the race to be carried on by the brutal, the servile, and the stupid. It is now impossible to say to what extent the Roman Church by these methods has impaired the brain capacity of Europe, but in Spain alone, for a period of over three centuries, from the year I47I to I78I, the Inquisition condemned to the stake or imprisonment an average of 1,000 persons annually. During these three centuries no less than 32,000 were burned alive, and 291,000 were condemned to various terms of imprisonment and other penalties, and 7,000 persons were burned in effigy, representing men who had died in prison or had fled the country.
F Scott Fitzgerald laughing at him.
http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/f/fitzgerald/f_scott/gatsby/chapter1.html
“Civilization’s going to pieces,” broke out Tom violently. “I’ve gotten to be a terrible pessimist about things. Have you read ‘The Rise of the Colored Empires’ by this man Goddard?”
“Why, no,” I answered, rather surprised by his tone.
“Well, it’s a fine book, and everybody ought to read it. The idea is if we don’t look out the white race will be-will be utterly submerged. It’s all scientific stuff; it’s been proved.”
“Tom’s getting very profound,” said Daisy, with an expression of unthoughtful sadness. “He reads deep books with long words in them. What was that word we–”
“Well, these books are all scientific,” insisted Tom, glancing at her impatiently. “This fellow has worked out the whole thing. It’s up to us, who are the dominant race, to watch out or these other races will have control of things.”
“We’ve got to beat them down,” whispered Daisy, winking ferociously toward the fervent sun.
“You ought to live in California-” began Miss Baker, but Tom interrupted her by shifting heavily in his chair.
“This idea is that we’re Nordics. I am, and you are, and you are, and–” After an infinitesimal hesitation he included Daisy with a slight nod, and she winked at me again. “-And we’ve produced all the things that go to make civilization-oh, science and art, and all that. Do you see?”
Oh, well done Jeremy. He keeps this up, though, and he’s not gonna be invited back on American cable.
Power is much slicker than someone like Daniel Pipes but Scahill nailed her. She was making the same arguments Bush does.
“Oh well maybe what we did in Yugoslavia was wrong but we’re there now and we can’t just pull out”.
When the Terrorists Were ‘Our Guys’
TW, was it lucid who was noting halo photos of O, a thread or two ago?
Actually, there were quite a few halo photos of Dean back in the day. It’s almost become a photographer’s cliche.
LOL McCain will just hit back at Obamamamama.
Easy enough to do.
NBC is starting the ball rolling right now…
Kinda interesting:
Snipping out the seven criteria:
Each of those points if fleshed out more, and she ends with:
Personally, I think he’s likely to be another donk hack (thus being part of problem #5, as he has been so far), and thus might just feed the discontent.
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hmm well regardless whether it were to be Hillary or Obama… my guess is the Faith Based offices stay in the West Wing. Bush is pushing for a 5 year renewal of PEPFAR in Africa…. The New Direction Congress as Nancy is calling it has denied him nothing.
LOL I doubt the 19% approval will change anything…
I am sure there will be some slight relaxation of the constrictions on family planning etc monies thru USAID and other orgs… but little will really change.
Think the $$… it was some horrifically high funding the Dem approved for abstinence programs this past year. 200 mil… and while it is a drop in the bucket… federal monies for domestic birth control are not going up. (moiv field report).
The government long term seems to want babies for harvest…
I was left behind. 😦
Catching up now.
9. But isn’t it all just about new rhetoric to feed American exceptionalism?
That’s exactly what it looks like, sounds like and smells like from here. It truly is nauseating.
fwiw
That thud you heard was the sound of Feingold’s ass landing on the bandwagon.
Of course I have heard from John Nichols that Feingold was working for Obama behind the scenes in Wisconsin before he actually endorsed.
Maybe Obama will put Feingold on the Supreme Court. He should sail through the Senate since the Dems have a majority and he’s a sitting member of the Senate.
AP is reporting that Nader will be on MTP this Sunday, possibly to announce another presidential run.
Here’s my fantasy for the next Dem debate:
Obama and Clinton are sitting on stage, blabbing as usual, when they’re suddenly distracted by some movement, stage left.
Out walks Al Gore holding a chair. (applause applause..the crowd goes wild)
He walks over to Hill and Barry and plunks his chair down right between them, grabs one of their mics (after telling the crowd to shush) and says:
“Move over, lightweights. I’m running for president!” (applause applause, standing ovation…Hill and Barry are stunned, speechless, and forcing faked smiles and golf claps).
And then…
Gore says…
“And I’ve chosen Dennis Kucinich as my VP!” (mass confusion…uncertain applause…but the crowd cheers anyway as Seabiscuit walks out onto the stage smiling and waving.)
Hill and Barry pass out.
The following day, the blaghers’ heads collectively explode.
/fantasy
Hey, at least things would get really fun then!
(not that I’d vote for any Dem…if I could vote…I just have an active imagination…)
– Former NPR reporter Sarah Chayes, who will be on Moyers Journal tonight.
Maybe Obama will put Feingold on the Supreme Court.
That might be the best outcome. God knows that continually caving to the donk leadership has made him a much less important and useful Senator.
I think Obama goes for a Hispanic female of the so called “moderate” bent. More right than center.
Whammo he hits the womens vote, the Latino vote (who will b restless) and the catholic vote. And she will fall in with the Kennedy lean to Scalia and Roberts.
Just my guess…………
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anything! to break up the last 8 months of the Long March.
gah.
I think that we live in an interconnected world full of rich, flawed, varied civilizations that are inextricably intertwined.
Oh, I see the world that way too. It’s the interactions that make life better, the combinations and cultural clashes. A world full of weird cross pollination is so much the better. All of the fake conflict and divisions are so anti-human.
Thanks so much for that quote.
that dude says “Bet on it” too often.
kind of dangerous for a improvisatory musician, to get stuck in a never-ending repetitive rut like that, playing the same phrase over and over and over…
bet on it
Empire and Burlesque: Permanent Bases Rise While Public Gawks at Geeks
And Barack Obama is walking away with the moment because he talks of “hope” — which, as Davies makes clear, is the very first thing any would-be revolutionary needs.
Wrong. The first thing that is required is mourning and brutal honesty.
With Obama and Clinton that is impossible, since they obviously do not really repent over the war or even want to really re-think it.
well, this was predictable: AP Survey: Superdelegates Jump to Obama
Madman – YVW.
Watching Chayes now on Moyers. She’s got eyes like diamond lasers, and she’s on fire – describing life in the opium economy (not Taliban-controlled she says, just businessmen) and corruption throughout the Karzai government (basically a criminal enterprise), and the absurdities, dangers, and lack of accountability in the money chain involving US/International “aid.” (Bush and Bin Laden are on the same team. She’s on the other team.)
I don’t think hope is relevant. I think determination is the only thing that counts.
(Will check cross-pollination Youtube shortly.)
Michael Moore says insurance industry would love Clinton’s healthcare plan
Chayes was very interesting on Moyers.
Viva Obama
Fun video at 71! Just heard a story about how bhangra is sweeping the campuses here, there, and everywhere. Thanks for the demo!
Loved the dance outfits, too. The contrast with “decadent mainstream” Western popstar fashion (name your favorite poisoned apple pie) reminded me of seeing the amazing Chinese National Circus in Montreal, decades ago. The orchestra (traditional-instruments) was so rich and subtle, as were the beautiful silk acrobat pajamas of the performers, and all the props for the tumblers, trick-bicycle riders, etc., were so simple, but exquisite . . . the contrast with Ringling Brothers or Barnum’s pomp-and-sex-and-sequins-plus-animal-exploitation couldn’t be more extreme.
And now we have Cirque de Soleil, and the Big Apple, and lots of others. Cross-pollination rocks and rolls. Free the bees!
I first heard of bhangra when the whole asian underground thing started getting popular in NYC, back when I was living there. It mixed in some Bhangra stuff. I can only take it in small doses, but sometimes it just sounds so good.
The local AMC theater near Milwaukee has taken to showing Bollywood movies on one or two screens every week, and I notice when I go to Saturday matinees to see my usual action trash that the Bollywood showings for that evening are often already all sold out by noon.
I’m not very good at it (prolly cause I don’t study enough), but I’ve really enjoyed the Mandarin classes I’ve taken. It’s so enriching to hear new music, learn new words, see the world through a different framework. I’m really baffled by people who are threatened by other cultures, by change. Yes, sometimes it makes me uncomfortable (when I first moved to Washington Heights I couldn’t figure out why everybody was hanging out on the street … you don’t do that in midwestern suburbs), but life isn’t to be lived to make uptight whiteboys feel comfortable.
When you allow yourself to hide from difference and become settled and comfortable that’s when you begin to rot.
Welcome to the military-petroleum complex, Kosovo
Ha ha ha ha! Viva Obama uses the black cowboy hat photo! Not-so-subliminal solidarity with the singers in sombreros!
Absolutely nauseating performance (as in cloying feminist guilt trip) by Letty Cottin Pogrebin on NOW . . . part of a dual interview with her and her daughter, who’s voting for Obama. It hurts, Letty says. Would it be so bad to make the young black whippersnapper wait 8 years? I’m not changing my mind, Mom, sez the daughter.
Surely someone could have done better surrogacy than that. Oy!
Oops – forgot the scare quotes on “feminist.”
😉
another shitty lineup on Maher tonight.
David Frum, Jack Kingston (R from GA) and Amy Walter (Washington Journal) for the panel.
Maybe Taibbi will redeem it at the end, but I doubt it.
Slightly better effort by Letty here: Hillary’s husband problem.
From Feb. 14. Valentine’s Day! Awww, that hurts!
More Letty:
Whaddya know – full circle and back to the topic at the top.
Whoops, bad HTML – sorry! Blockquotes start at “Due to” and end at “assassinated in office.”
MitM – I’m very grateful for the international influences and experiences my life has happened to include, from infancy to the present day. But I had never set foot in any part of Asia until I had a chance to visit Thailand a few years ago, and I loved every second of it. . . .
If the State Department is sending Gilroy-Americans to Cairo, I hope you get a chance to try out your Mandarin in Shanghai some day.
Thanks, MCat!
I hope you get a chance to try out your Mandarin in Shanghai some day.
I hope so too.
This thing about assassination , I dunno, there seems to be a lot floating around… IMO a combo mostly of denialists believing that they really are riding on something other than an incremantalist train (LOL – at most) as well as the usual stripes of wingers fucking with his buzz on the wire, a sprinkling of others…
There’s Plenty of legal and olitical clean shots to go around on all pols in the game, beyond that, the stepover into character assassination is the usual weapon of choice…but , – tying in with melvin in # 12 abovethe notion of BO accidentally midwifing a movement beyond his control-melvin
Taking someone down is always aimed at the supporters to prevent or disperse massing as it is anything else..IMO, The core underlying political lean of the unwashed masses isn’t neccessarily even the thing.. The reality is the country was as culturally right in the early 60’s..50/50 . it’s on the transition, the prospect of unwashed masses veiwing themselves as something other than such where it gets sticky… my view is JFK got whacked for a mistaken perception of a threat to the MIC, King personally was not a threat, his mobilization was…My read of the Christian fairy tale , if you believe such things, – is Bejeebus got whacked as much for the crowd draw as anything else…
By most accounts, the request for Secret Service protection– that WAS driven by the Mrs. Llama at the insistance of Chi AA establishment. Aside from the political aspect to it from the campaign , the profile raising “me too” Prezzy accroutrement, but also the idea of putting a marker down, the idea if they spurned protection and something happened, no where to go with that one— kind of like putting tape on a door lest someone come in,but there it is……
Other countervailing factors are the Markets .both above board and , .
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not so much…(Dead Pools wedded to crypto)
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Much of what is being thrown around is ill informed as there are so many other cheaper less chaotic mechanisms available to capital to achieve equilibrium…That said, real sheepherders were never really considered a dangerous occupation until you get people traipsing off on that Lamb of God shit…
Bayprairie at 72 – Word.
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‘Night all!
Sheared (sic) sacrifice and patience will now (continue to) be sold by a pliable, albeit expanded Democratic majority to a pliable, albeit expanded Democratic base.
They’re asking us to wait and giving us the runaround but they’re OUR people doing it will settle in before long…
The PTB just needs to call their upscale caterers, with changes of address for the good stuff, otherwise its springing for a few Pizzas for the rookie cops on the corner… The deal is to explore further for vasssals overseas and another round to ghettoize somenew faces here…Oh the New “We” will begin again, yes they can…right at the freshly paved intersection of exceptionalism and greed.
the freshly paved intersection of exceptionalism and greed.
The layers of accumulated tarmac reach to the stars.
OK, now I’m really out.
Smileyface with flag-waving roadworker – and ban/slash – in honor of peace-symbol anniversary here.
hmm I see the story on McCain marches on… via Wapo. Josh Marshall had a good short update this am at TPM… NYT has opened their reporters to answer submitted Q^A… I did nto even open that… here a bit there a bit. But McCain has shut down response.
Be interesting to watch this play out.
Already talk of a thousand Year Reich. Nothing about throwing the Ministers, Priests and Rabbis out on there asses, much less guys with guns..
LOL. Predictable from RonK, a jerk, but correct, motivation aside….
LMAO at one of the responses….
this scheisse that some pol is a closet lefty who will do whatever to get inside then begin radio transmissions to the partisans still fighting in the hills is hilarious.
ANd all over the place for a couple years now. Gilroy pushed that for years about Hillary (did he miss the Goldwater support!?)… and now it is pushed for a year about Obama.
Who, imo, did what was necessary in a liberal to left district in greater Chicago (he. even. met. with. real. former. rads!!… he sat with Edward Said!, he espoused single payer! he called the war dumb as he ran for local office in that district! etcetera!)… and now will do a center right turn for the WH.
And not even wave to the huddled masses back on the burning pier.
Well, here’s the deal (which I might expand into a blog rant tomorrow when my brain is functioning at more than 10%). When I hear these Obama supporters talk about how hopified and changapaloozad they are, I wonder “okay, what are you doing right now to change things? Or are you just waiting for the next Daddy America to do it all for you? Are you out there helping the poor you have access to? The people who’ve lost their homes due to the mortgage crisis (and other economic reasons)? Or are you just hoping that Daddy America will fix that? Are you helping a child learn? Or are you waiting for Daddy America to start some kind of program that you can then join to show you Obama-credentials? You complain about how Repubs choose father-figures as their leaders. How is this Daddy America luvfest any different? If you truly believe that you are the change you’ve been waiting for, what are you doing to prove it? And why aren’t you getting behind someone who’s actually going to kick some asses and take names – as if impeaching the bastards who are in office right now? You want “accountability” and “responsibility”? Why are you waiting until Daddy America takes office to make that happen? Do you really need instructions?”
/end o’ rant for tonite
Attack on the green zone…no big deal. And to make his/her point, he channels Rummy:
Ironic sig line alert.
Bush has rhythm, says Rice after Africa trip (omg)
There goes another $1.2 billion.
GM exec stands by calling global warming a “crock” (of shit)
That’s encouraging.
more…:
That guy’s just a real charmer!
Well, here’s the deal (which I might expand into a blog rant tomorrow when my brain is functioning at more than 10%). When I hear these Obama supporters talk about how hopified and changapaloozad they are, I wonder “okay, what are you doing right now to change things?
Have to admit some Obama seem to have their heads jammed up their asses. Like this guy.
http://www.politicalfleshfeast.com/showComment.do?commentId=68032
First he sounds like Pat Buchanan or the gang at Stormfront
Now do you understand my fear of Muslims? I don’t hate the people, but I recognize anger when I see it. My mother lived in Ismir Turkey for 4 years, my brother and sister were old enough to remember much too, so I have direct references to query who have good memories of Muslim values.
Then he thinks Obama is the magic bullet.
I don’t know what we can do just yet, if anything. In this case I don’t think that having a Man named Barack Hussein Obama as our President is a bad place to start.
What’s going to happen when the majority of those poor Egyptians stay pissed at us for propping up their dictatorship even after Obama becomes president?
The thing they fail to recognize in the glee of outsized victories on the backs of an ideologically undefined / less-than-specifically-prioritzed agenda is the ease with which any number of individual constituencies can be blown off. To The Goopers, its all about tax cuts, corp dereg, mil spending and slash and burn WRT services..
.Where is the same frank, Ideological case made for the inverse? Punitive Taxation, Increased Social Spending, Decreased Military Spending, Regulation wrt Collusive Markets and Environmental Abuses??? NONE of the work has been done to define what kind of society we see for ourselves..NONE of it…
I’m not even saying that I can’t envision degradation among those choices over time ..But essentially, it comes down to a durable, reasonable confidence in understanding
“our”
“own”
“well being”
on terms other than our present paradigms…
I don’t even have t click and look that is denali.
Who is one sick puppy.
Obamalama during Thursday nite’s debate:
“OBAMA: Well, I think it is indisputable that we’ve seen violence reduced in Iraq.”
Iraqis: ‘Surge’ Is a Catastrophe – by Ali al-Fadhily and Dahr Jamail
It’s all a facade.
gee.
Can I disassociate from both Pogrebins? (on NOW the Mother Daugher split in the election)
103. Gilroy is a joke. Like I told him, he’d better stock up on diapers because all of pants-shitting is bound to be hard on his laundry bill.
I hope there are safety belts and helmets on Obama’s Hopemobile™. One little bump and Gilroy just might shoot someone for looking Muslim.
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and denali is also actively calling people who decline to vote for Obama racists. LOL.
He’s nto alone in that.
But he has to get inline behind the Orange Jesters in terms of calling this blog racist. and homophobe. And whatever else they have lobbbed.
# 98 catnip re Daddy America taking care of it all
…no doubt, a lot of that, the idea that governmentalizing will solve it all,…OTOH, the Thousand Point of Lighters make hay with it, cynically using a common sense argument born of experience to deny the kind of capital and scale to rollback resource inequity…”Throwing money at problems’ , they say, is not the way to go, unless of course its the problem defined by them, Security for our “Friends”, Industrial and Research Parks, etc……its all bullshit.
One thing that got very little notice from Hillary, which under other news circumstances would have brought the Wrath of Khan- is one little blip she said at the Debate last night, that she would FREEZE interest rates for FIVE years..It’s probably been trotted out before, not that it crossed my radar, though…
That pretty much sums up the NDP in Canada.
Of course, they always get dinged with the “tax and spend” meme (as do the Liberals) but they’ve actually run some successful provincial regimes.
Gilroy is a joke. Like I told him, he’d better stock up on diapers because all of pants-shitting is bound to be hard on his laundry bill.
Gilroy and the white boyz at PFF are afraid of Muslims because Islam gives them a conduit to express their class rage at the fact that 1% of the world’s population owns 90% of the wealth (or something like that).
The one thing I respect about Islam is that it doesn’t preach to its followers to defer their happiness to the afterlife and respect the current state of class division (render to God what is God and to Caeser what is Caeser’s). The Muslim call for a theocracy is in some ways a call for class rebellion.
BUT in the end, Islam’s a dead end. That’s why the US ruling class cultivated fundamentalist Islam as a way to break down Communism. In the end, Communism was more dangerous than Islam.
Huey Newton and Fred Hampton were more dangerous than Farrakhan is. That’s why they killed Fred Hampton and let Farrakhan have Million Man Marches on the Capitol Mall.
denali – bowing down before his frat-boy masters. He’s fun to swat around but he’s become too predictable. (Hi denali!)
Krugman: Demon ethanol
Those corporate pockets run deep.
110. I think I have heard her say she’d freeze interest rates before. (YMMV…I’m tired.) I don’t know what the reaction was. I didn’t check.
denali – bowing down before his frat-boy masters. He’s fun to swat around but he’s become too predictable. (Hi denali!)
If racists like Denali are willing to vote for Obama that will tell you why he’s probably going to be the next president.
I remember reading Stormfront a couple of months ago, and the White Boyz at Stormfront (a site on the intertubes that’s a bit milder in its racism than PFF or the Daily Kos are) were MORE SYMPATHETIC to Obama than to Rudy Giuliani.
And that’s just weird.
But when you think about it, Justin Raimondo’s recent jump from Paul to Obama will tell you something.
Raimondo’s living in a fantasy world where Obama’s going to take on the “Lobby”, where a little neocon anxiety over Zbigniew Brzezinski’s praise for Walt and Mersheimer cancels out Obama’s obvious similarities to Hillary and McCain on supporting Israel.
ms xeno mentioned to me that the most redneck racist rude mean white boyz on Live Journal are for Obama.
He LONG AGO sent messages he’d be no trouble. The Sixties were a problematical era … and yessir, it is not good to rabble rouse, or not tip the waiter enough. Or use the wrong fork for the salad. All but.
I find the packaging pretty predictable.
America wants to be told it is good, that it can regain an illusion. So he lobs the Holy Hosts imprinted iwth his image to the open waiting mouths..
about it……..
ms xeno mentioned to me that the most redneck racist rude mean white boyz on Live Journal are for Obama.
They also grew up watching the Cosby show and had Michael Jordon posters on their dorm room walls. They make very carefull distinctions between “white people” and “niggers”.
This has no reflection on Obama (who, once again, I sort of admire for the brilliant campaign he’s run) but still…he’s a “black person” and not a “nigger” to the white boyz.
The one thing, however, that both Ron Paul and Obama have shown us is how to run a presidential campaign on grass roots fervor and small donations.
Instead of sticking its head in the sand, the genuine left should learn from them.
LOL
surely you know i Populate the exotic left.
oh please, barack obama the presidential candidiate is a commodity. Ron Paul is a certain type in this country… and most importantly no one will be monitoring his accumulated haul too closely. One reason for these “maverick” runs.
This country will have to come to starvation for change of any sort. They moo well, too many of them. Skin their own hides and cure the leather… The so called left can just chill til then. Or continue as is.
Plenty of local ground level grass roots work any one who wishes to be involved, has the time can do.
The big picture waits.
Here’s a thread at Stormfront.
See any difference between IT and Gilroy?
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/muslim-watch-huge-islamic-prayer-462840.html
oh please, barack obama the presidential candidiate is a commodity. Ron Paul is a certain type in this country… and most importantly no one will be monitoring his accumulated haul too closely. One reason for these “maverick” runs.
Partly true but if the left found some of that ability to raise funds and organize, we’d all be better off.
YES, it’s easier for Paul or Obama, but that doesn’t mean we can’t learn from their competance in organizing.
nu thred……….
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