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Just a thread……………… 24 February 2008

Posted by marisacat in Divertissements.

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What the hell… Oscar for President.  Why not?




1. sabrina - 24 February 2008

And the Oscar goes to …..


I think it’s almost over, unless Hillary can win all of the next several states …..

2. Hair Club for Men - 24 February 2008

And the Oscar goes to …..


Unless McCain gets the lifetime achievement award for this year’s mediocre production to make up for being slighted in the past.

BTW, you know when I stopped taking the Oscar’s seriously?

1990, when “Dances With Wolves” beat out “Goodfellas” for Best Picture.

1979 was pretty silly too (Kramer vs. Krame over Apocolypse Now).

Minor pique. 1999. When an overhyped and overacting Angelina Jolie in the mediocre “Girl Interrupted” beat out the (taste in Vincent Gallo notwithstanding) genuinely orginal Chloe Sevigny in “Boys Don’t Cry”.

But I guess silicon lips and fake tits beat out the ability to just nail the white trash American female in movie after movie.

3. marisacat - 24 February 2008

Chloe Sevigny was just amazing. Tremendous movie.

4. marisacat - 24 February 2008

HA! Anyone wants to see hideous silicone lips, catch an interview with Gennifer Flowers. Good god.

She had a perfectly fine, sculpted mouth previously. Now she has great cow udders stretched across her face.


5. Hair Club for Men - 24 February 2008

I’m actually a bit surprised “Boys Don’t Cry” got nominated for anything. It had a pretty pretty bleak view on American culture.

BTW, Kimberly Pierce (who made BDC) just released a movie on Iraq.


6. marisacat - 24 February 2008

I thought Boy’s Don’t Cry captured the claustrophic horror of too many American homes. Perfectly. And how dead end most small towns are. Nothing there, in state after state after state.

7. Hair Club for Men - 24 February 2008

I thought Boy’s Don’t Cry captured the claustrophic horror of too many American homes. Perfectly.

Right down to the lighting, dim 65 watt bulbs over cheap wall to wall carpeting.

8. marisacat - 24 February 2008

Tilda Swinton just won!

9. Miss Devore - 24 February 2008

I actually have no idea about any of the nominated movies or stars. I upgraded my browser, but I might as well be churning butter.

10. Hair Club for Men - 24 February 2008

Since we’re going to be hearing a lot of Patriotism in the coming months, I recommend everyone read Emma Goldman.


Gustave Herve, another great anti-patriot, justly calls patriotism a superstition-one far more injurious, brutal, and inhumane than religion. The superstition of religion originated in man’s inability to explain natural phenomena. That is, when primitive man heard thunder or saw the lightning, he could not account for either, and therefore concluded that back of them must be a force greater than himself. Similarly he saw a supernatural force in the rain, and in the various other changes in nature. Patriotism, on the other hand, is a superstition artificially created and maintained through a network of lies and falsehoods a superstition that robs man of his self respect and dignity, and increases his arrogance and conceit.

11. marisacat - 24 February 2008

well, I am neither patriotic nor nationalistic. And thus not jingoistic .. either.

Nor would I ever be actively bombing anyone in the name of this country. WIth my name linked, singly and completely, to that act.

I don’t have to justify myself to anyone.

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 February 2008

oh, what a nice surprise, “Falling Slowly” won for best original song.

“Once” is a really nice little movie.

13. liberalcatnip - 24 February 2008

One of my favourite Oscar memories: back in the days when we had a B&W teevee, my dad picked up a colour teevee to “try out” (ie. convinced the store he might be interested in buying it). That just happened to be on Oscar nite.

14. sabrina - 24 February 2008

HC #10 – patriotism/nationalism, hard to deny that when you see the results, so often. Wish more people would have the nerve to say it.

Looks like ‘There Will Be Blood’ may be a big winner …

I haven’t seen any of the nominated movies yet …

15. liberalcatnip - 24 February 2008

Cheezy moment there with the troops in Baghdad. They should have said, “Hey! Look at us! We’re still here! Get us home now, damnit!”

16. liberalcatnip - 24 February 2008
17. sabrina - 24 February 2008

I missed the rest of the show so didn’t see the ‘best actor/actress/movie awards ….

Just saw that Daniel Day-Lewis won best actor for ‘There will be blood’ and ‘No Country for Old Men’ won best picture ….

Daniel D-L is a very good actor …. I’m glad he won …

Marion Cotillard won best actress for ‘La Vie en Rose’ …. want to see that movie too …

Catnip, I didn’t see the troops ‘moment’ … I’m sure it was cheezy, but then it’s good to remind people that the war didn’t end yet … which is why they elected Democrats ….

18. sabrina - 24 February 2008

Aw, that’s cute, I like the alligator ….

19. marisacat - 24 February 2008

hmm don’t miss the thread. Non violent border protest, a mass crossing agaisnt Israeli resistance, is the same as rape.

20. liberalcatnip - 24 February 2008

I think it was more about Hollywood trying to look patriotic than anything else. And it happened just before the list of nominated docs slamming the wars and the administration. Here’s a video of the troops appearance.

21. marisacat - 24 February 2008


oh but more and better Democrats are now needed.

22. marisacat - 24 February 2008


well I gritted my teeth when “box of chocolats” showed up to make the award, then they cut to “little baghdad” [still gritting my teeth] and then what wins, Taxi to the Dark Side.

23. liberalcatnip - 24 February 2008

Non violent border protest, a mass crossing agaisnt Israeli resistance, is the same as rape.

It just keep getting more bizarre over there.

24. Hair Club for Men - 24 February 2008

It just keep getting more bizarre over there.

It’s all supposed to make sense if you study “cognitive science” or something like that.

25. liberalcatnip - 24 February 2008

It’s all supposed to make sense if you study “cognitive science” or something like that.

Apparently so. According to Ormond:

And I think PFF is founded on the idea of narrowing that gap (0.00 / 0)

between conscious and subconscious, the thinkable and the unthinkable.

That’s was the cursing and rudeness are for, in my humble opinion, is to make it so uncomfortable that a new thought doesn’t scare us off.

If you can stand to be here, you might be able to think some new thoughts.

Which is ironic to say in the midst of chewing out others who think differently than he does.

26. marisacat - 24 February 2008

thiknk Ormond has been in too many enounter groups… for too long.

27. liberalcatnip - 24 February 2008

saekozy behaving badly:

PARIS (Reuters) – A video of French President Nicolas Sarkozy telling a bystander to “get lost” has become a hit on the Internet.

Sarkozy was filmed by a journalist from the daily Le Parisien on a walkabout at the annual farm fair in Paris on Saturday.

Sarkozy offered his hand to a man who said: “Don’t touch me, you are soiling me.” In reply, Sarkozy said, without dropping his smile: “Get lost, dumb ass.”

How stately of him.

28. Hair Club for Men - 24 February 2008

Which is ironic to say in the midst of chewing out others who think differently than he does.

Most of the time I can’t understand a word he says. He reminds me of my grandfather who would start talking about the war whatever the context and just go on, and on, and on, and on until he finally realizes nobody’s listening to him (even though some people are actually trying but can’t understand him) and gets mad and starts shouting at everybody.

29. liberalcatnip - 24 February 2008

Sheesh – “Sarkozy”. That’s what I get for typing with my toes.

30. marisacat - 24 February 2008

oh this made me laugh so hard I am still choking/laughing…

*[new] yup and it’s the same thing as a brutal rapist (0.00 / 0)

forcing his dick into a female’s vagina while she screams for help as he holds her down until his job is done.

awesome stuff, peeder. you should see if chris mathews is hiring.

by Because I Said So @ Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 21:54:15 PM PST
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31. liberalcatnip - 24 February 2008

28. Well, when I made a comment that related to his diary, he called it “diversionary”. Meanwhile, someone asks him what kind of bike he has and that’s supposedly on topic (??) Strange person.

32. liberalcatnip - 24 February 2008

Freud would have a field day with that site.

33. marisacat - 24 February 2008

I have so loved the fall of small mean shit Sarko.

Who said there is no egalite, if you have more you are more.

I hope they roll him in the gutter before this is over.

34. marisacat - 24 February 2008

he’s still at it:

*[new] I illustrated the point quite compellingly (0.00 / 0)

In analogy, yes a border penetration of a sovreign state can be held to be much like a rape…it is unarmed, perhaps, but still forceful and a violation. This is not a non-violent protest as I had called for.

by peeder @ Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 22:07:27 PM PST
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35. sabrina - 24 February 2008

Didn’t take long with Sarko …. they were so thrilled with him, the globalists ….. maybe it’s a sign of things to come …. although he’s certainly no worse than those in power here … I’m sure the French will get rid of him … we just keep holding on to our clowns ….

Catnip #20 – thanks for the video. If only it was all nice and clean like that, no one dying, or being raped etc. It’s the dishonesty, the false image that is disturbing to me ….

36. marisacat - 24 February 2008

I am very interested at how shocked people are…

*[new] Don’t put words in my mouth (0.00 / 0)

I won’t respond to such.

by peeder @ Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 22:28:33 PM PST
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37. liberalcatnip - 24 February 2008

This is not a non-violent protest as I had called for.

by peeder

And yesterday, denali said he didn’t “approve” of Islam.

They seem to think they actually mean something in the scheme of things.

38. marisacat - 25 February 2008

luv the NYT evening email headline:

Rising Inflation Creates Unease in the Middle East.

Oh no.

39. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

Someone actually uses the phrase without sarcasm.


This is the MOST important election of many of our lifetimes.

40. mattes - 25 February 2008
41. mattes - 25 February 2008

….guess the answer is yes. Just read comments above!

Too shocking for words. How do people get so brainwashed? Zionism is only about 100 years old, or maybe I should say, how has it lasted this long in the communications age?

42. JJB - 25 February 2008

MCat, no. 6,

Another film that beautifully captures the pinched, stultifying, frustrated lives that people live in small towns is the Alfred Hitchcock classic Shadow of a Doubt. The script was primarily the work of Thornton Wilder, and does a wonderful job of portraying just how limited were the prospects for the Greatest Generation before the Second World War turned their lives upside down — something a lot of them very happy to have happen, BTW, in spite of the possibility of being sent to the front lines, or off to some Armageddon at sea.

43. JJB - 25 February 2008

BTW, has anyone pointed out to that idiot peeder that the Gaza Strip was part of Egypt from 1948 through 1967?

44. marisacat - 25 February 2008

ugh.. I have to go back and see that thread again.

His claim that they cannot protest as it would be illegal is just horrific.

It made me think of what GAZA is all about — a cross between slave rebellion and prison strike/riot.

The core truth that Israel does not need Palestinian cheap labor anymore…. Quite happy to do as Dubai, Lebanon, Saudi, etc., do, import cheap labor, work it to death [or suicide from depression], get another shipment.

45. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

What Peeder realizes and what Kos and Hunter don’t realize is that there’s no real need to censor debate on Israel/Palestine.

The vast majority of Americans will side with a rich white country against a poor refugee people without even thinking about it. Add American guilt over the Holocaust (which of course we had nothing to do with) and the ability of the Israelis and their American supporters to appeal to American exceptionalism, arrogance, and racism and there’s very little supporters of the Palestinians can do.

About the actual facts on the ground about the conflict, Peeder’s just another American redneck (even though I think he’s British).

46. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

Samantha Power on Democracy Now.

Amy and Juan didn’t do a very good job at nailing the slick b–ch down on anything.

Not a single question on the UN sanctions against Iraq. I’m sure Sergio Vieira de Mello was a fascinating guy but did anybody ever thing about WHY the Iraqis blew the UN building to Kingdom come?

47. melvin - 25 February 2008

Three cheers for Tilda Swinton, the only person in the building not wearing makeup.

And to her, Diablo Cody, and Sissy Spacek for picking their own clothes like adults instead of letting themselves be corseted into the same old $10K sack.

48. mattes - 25 February 2008

I read somewhere that not one Palestinian family has been spared the dead of a loved one to the Zionist cause.

And today I might say good bye to my beloved australian sheperd. And my heart is breaking….

49. melvin - 25 February 2008

Sinclair not doing so well with polygraph: “deception indicated”

50. marisacat - 25 February 2008

oh Sergio de Mello was jsut there to do a job for us.

BTW, Stop Me Before I Vote Again (owen paine in fact) is calling her “glamghoul”…. LOL I think that fits.

51. marisacat - 25 February 2008


well peeder is not tethered to the party in teh way DKos is.

He was in favor of banning I/P at Dkos. Soon aafter he opened think it was, catnip pulled up a diary of his advocating that at Dkos.

52. JJB - 25 February 2008

Counterpunch has what purports to be a piece by Ralph Nader entitled “Why I’m Running.” When you open the link, you see it’s merely a transcript of his appearance on “Press The Meet.” Apparently, he can’t even be bothered to type something up himself, or (more likely) order an intern to do it for him.

53. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

All that means is Counterpunch republished it. They do that with public speeches/writings from politicians all the time.

Russ Feingold obviously doesn’t write articles for Counterpunch (mayby even hasn’t heard of it) but they do republish his speeches.

54. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

Dennis Halliday obviously had more influence in the end than Sergio did.

Sometimes condemning power does more than trying to ride it.

55. melvin - 25 February 2008

By peeder’s definition I have accidentally raped Canada twice.

56. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

By peeder’s definition I have accidentally raped Canada twice

Quebec City protests a few years ago?

57. liberalcatnip - 25 February 2008

By peeder’s definition I have accidentally raped Canada twice.

I will notify the appropriate authorities. 😉

58. melvin - 25 February 2008

56 Far less dramatic. Hiking in the Cacades. It is not always obvious where the border is.

59. JJB - 25 February 2008


Nader is a regular contributor. This silly reposting of something that can be found by anyone wishing to look for it is typical of how Nader has approached this election year. He has made exactly zero preparations, gotten together no volunteers, raised no money, done absolutely none of the spade work necessary to prepare a campaign. At this point, he’s completed the descent into self-parody he started 4 years ago (his 2000 campaign, which I did not support or approve of, was at least a serious effort).

And that isn’t either a speech or an article, both of which would have been written up beforehand. It’s the transcript of an interview. Counterpunch does not ordinarily run such things unless the listed author is the one doing the interviewing.

60. liberalcatnip - 25 February 2008

It is not always obvious where the border is.

Well, just wait until the northern mega-fence is built. Problem solved! (I think DHS is planning to arm the bears too.)

61. liberalcatnip - 25 February 2008

I saw an article…maybe on CNN yesterday…that had Hillary blaming Nader for Gore’s loss. For that reason alone, kossacks should be supporting her – obviously.

62. liberalcatnip - 25 February 2008
63. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

his 2000 campaign, which I did not support or approve of, was at least a serious effort

Well here’s the way I’d look at it.

Nader has a better chance of being president in 2008 (a much better chance in fact) than the ordinary American has of “influencing” or “pushing Obama to the left”.

64. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

The most depressing book since Bambi

It seems to me that every 20 years or so there’ s a book panicking about American anti-intellectualism. And it tends to reflect the rising political ideology of the day.

So in the 1980s, the book was “The Closing of the American Mind” by Allan Bloom and it reflected the Reaganite idea that the 1960s destroyed American education.

Now with the Democratic Party on the rise, the explanation will probably be about the lack of educational opportunties that come with the breakdown of the New Deal.

65. JJB - 25 February 2008

liberalcatnip, no. 62,

Depressing, indeed:

The New York Times recently ran an article on young immigrant students drawing classroom lessons from reading The Great Gatsby. They yearned for Gatsby’s wealth; they saw him as a glorious “striver.” But no one, not the sweet-natured teacher, the students or the reporter seemed to grasp that Gatsby’s green light was a delusion, that the novel ends in tragedy and that Gatsby was a bootlegger, a 1920s version of a drug dealer. The article was written with the literalism and gassy sentimental wonder that is the hallmark of a Times feature. I am always awed by journalists’ ability to see glamour where there is none. Wiser readers wrote to complain about the misreading, but they sounded … lonely.

I read that NY Timesarticle about The Great Gatsby’s renewed popularity myself, and found myself thinking the same thing as Heather Mallick. That Fitzgerald had a very sour view of The American Dream isn’t a secret (not that he didn’t vigorously pursue it himself), and it’s hard to believe that anyone could miss that part of his message. Here’s hoping those kids never get exposed to “A Modest Proposal” until they have a teacher who can make them understand the point.

Just as a side note, I’ll mention that the chances of Obama being moved to the left of the political spectrum, however slight, are vastly greater than the chances of Nader actually doing any real campaigning, political organizing, or having any effect at all on our politics over the course of the next decade. The phrase “dreams of raging sheep” should be the banner under which his ever-dwindling band of supporters marches.

66. lucid - 25 February 2008

But I guess silicon lips and fake tits beat out the ability to just nail the white trash American female in movie after movie.

It doesn’t take much… Chloe pretty much is white trash – a mid ’90’s nyc ‘club kid’ [i.e. Michel Alig, et al] from LI who stumbled into a role in Kids with no previous acting experience.

67. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

Chloe pretty much is white trash

I heard her interviewed and she seemed to have a pretty standard issue snooty Mid Atlantic high WASP sort of accent.

But even so, just being from a white trash background by no means gives you the ability to act credibly white trash on film.

68. lucid - 25 February 2008

Oh – and from my friend in the industry, she’s apparently extremely difficult to work with [not that Ms. buy-a-child would be any easier].

69. lucid - 25 February 2008

But even so, just being from a white trash background by no means gives you the ability to act credibly white trash on film.

S’pose that’s true. I’ve just never liked her though – maybe I’m just too clouded by the days in which she was glorified by Michael Musto in the Voice, along with her annoying club companions… Or just the fact that I find ‘Kids’ to be a horrendous movie [despite the lovely Rosario Dawson]. As for ‘Boys Don’t Cry’, I’ve always found Hillary a much more compelling actor.

70. marisacat - 25 February 2008

Here are teh links… HCfM mentioned Samantha Powers on DN! up thread…

Barack Obama’s Senior Foreign Policy Adviser Samantha Power on Obama’s
Call to Increase the Pentagon’s Budget, Hugo Chavez, Funding the Iraq
Occupation and Attacking Pakistan *

Samantha Power discusses Obama¹s foreign policy platform and why she temporarily left her post at Harvard University to advise the presidential


Well, from my reading she has been on his DC staff payroll since he got to town 3 years ago.

* Samantha Power on ³Chasing the Flame: Sergio Vieira de Mello and the Fight
to Save the World” Pt. II *

Sergio Vieira de Mello was the top UN official in Iraq when he died in a truck bombing of the UN¹s Baghdad headquarters in August 2003. Twenty-one
others were killed and […]


71. cad - 25 February 2008

“And to her, Diablo Cody, and Sissy Spacek for picking their own clothes like adults instead of letting themselves be corseted into the same old $10K sack.”

Except that Cody was wearing, yes, million-dollar shoes.

72. lucid - 25 February 2008

Except that Cody was wearing, yes, million-dollar shoes.

There is such a thing?

Speaking of monstrosities what the hell was that gargantuan diamond studded thing hanging around Nicole Kidman’s neck last night? Absolutely hideous.

73. marisacat - 25 February 2008

Cody tho, I think, was barefoot on stage….

74. marisacat - 25 February 2008

I think for Kidman they went slightly for the Queen Mary look (bedecked and bejeweled). I’d like to see the actual necklace.

It seemed to me she did nto carry it off and the black [dress] backdrop was too harsh for it…

Just my take.

75. lucid - 25 February 2008

I can see that. It just looked to me like bejeweled climbing ivy or something – and terribly ostentatious to boot… then again, I’m pretty much always disgusted by celebrity and their vainglorious accoutrements.

Nice to see Tilda win though.

76. marisacat - 25 February 2008

I was thrilled Tilda won…

77. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

maybe I’m just too clouded by the days in which she was glorified by Michael Musto in the Voice

I wasn’t in NYC back then so I missed that one.

As for ‘Boys Don’t Cry’, I’ve always found Hillary a much more compelling actor.

I prefer Obama myself. Da dump. But Hillary had the easier role in some ways. The more high concept the character the more steps you have to take simply to make it credible and the more of a chance you have to connect. On the other hand, if you’re just an angry, white trash woman in her early 20s stuck out somewhere in Nebreska, it’s tempting to play the role as a caricature to just give people something to hang onto to. To do it in that kind of a flat, Raymond Carver like way means you’re either a very good actor or your just playing yourself.

Or just the fact that I find ‘Kids’ to be a horrendous movie

It almost plays like a comedy now. Then again, I thought “Scarface” with Al Pacino was the funniest movie I’ve ever seen.

78. marisacat - 25 February 2008

I thought Scarface was quite operatic… and the close with the newer versions of himself, the new immigrants swarming the castle was REALLY operatic.

What a hoot!

79. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

Although I also liked Peter Sarsgaard in that movie.


That whole “yes my life sucks and I’m nothing but as long as my dick is bigger than everybody around me” outlook on life was just perfect.

When he blew up and started shooting it was totally believable.

And he was good in “Shattered Glass”. Chloe Sevigny was awful. I didn’t believe her as a New Republic editor for five seconds.

Same with that awful Wit Stillman movie.

80. liberalcatnip - 25 February 2008

I missed Kidman’s appearance. here’s the info on the necklace and a pic. Pretty gawdy, afaic.

81. marisacat - 25 February 2008

LOL IOZ has two good posts today, one on Ralphery hand wringing [spotlight on Lawyers Guns and Money]… and one on that religious nut, Amy Sullivan. And WWJD hand wring.

82. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

I thought Scarface was quite operatic

It was also a monster movie posing as a ganster movie. Michelle Pfeiffer’s character was named “Elvira” after all.

83. BooHooHooMan - 25 February 2008

Kneel in Ohio, PA too, where aggressive BO voter reg going on, effort to split along generational lines. In fairness, I understand both sides are looking into debate venues at Penn State or Pitt vs a Big Five Philly Catholic School. ..nothing like equal opportunity pandering…

Something to explain

OHIO | Obama assures Jewish leaders on religion, Israel stance

February 25, 2008
LYNN SWEET blogs.suntimes.com/sweet

WASHINGTON — The Sunday meeting with Cleveland area Jewish leaders was not on the schedule Sen. Barack Obama’s campaign gave reporters, but the stop in Mayfield Heights, hosted by Ron Ratner, a major fund-raiser for Obama, was one of the most important of the day. More than a year into his run for president, Obama is still explaining his record, relationships and religion to Jewish voters.

Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) have been competing for Jewish support and stressing their pro-Israel credentials.

A Clinton campaign Jewish community organizing guide includes the plea, “Make sure you are registered to vote — and bring your bubbe,” using the Yiddish word for grandmother.

84. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

Tin foil hat talking:

So David Duke endorses Ron Paul when Paul’s campaign starts to take off. Now Farrakhan endorses Obama on the same day the photo from Kenya comes out.

A lot of these black/white racial supremacists have probably turned state’s evidence or snitched to the FBI at one time or another.

Or at least someone in the government has dirt on them.

85. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

Interesting article on World Can’t Wait.


I cut my ties with them after their October 2006 protests fizzled and they refused to criticize or even talk about the reasons why.

86. liberalcatnip - 25 February 2008

Just catching up on that Somali elder garb pic of Obama. Interesting that Chuck Todd said on Hardball that, according to a reporter who was on that trip in 2006, that part of Obama’s schedule was attended by very few people, thus seriously limiting the number of people who actually would have known that pic existed. In the end, nobody knows right now who sent it to Drudge. He claims it’s the Clinton campaign. Maybe he should prove it if he wants to be believed.

Is it Cranky Monday today or what? Full moon? Political fatigueyness? All of this stuff is getting so old.

87. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

What makes the photo damaging is not the fact that he’s in Arab dress but the fact that he looks week and bizarrely young for a man in his 40s. He also looks like the passive, junior partner and the old man almost looks as if he’s ready to seduce him.

88. lucid - 25 February 2008

I wasn’t in NYC back then so I missed that one.

Oh it was a tawdry ridiculous tale. Musto became obsessed by a group of drug addicted party promoters and dubbed them the ‘clubs kids’. He’d then follow them around to all of their haunts [mostly Peter Gatien’s joints – the guy who got busted for tax fraud] and sullied the pages of the Voice with tales of their absolute mundanity. Chloe was one of them. The most famous tale was the one in which Michel Alig [who went to a cross town high school from me in the midwest] killed his drug dealer, carved him up in his bathtub & carted the body parts to the Hudson. This was no doubt depitcted on a Law & Order around the same time.

89. marisacat - 25 February 2008

87 – yes I agree on the atmosphere of hte photo…

Supposedly, from what I read, it has been on conservative sites for a week ro so (I saw a thread from Free Republic on it) and at a tabloid, The Examiner.

It was bound to surface.

I have no idea… Cillizza almost implies Drudge did Obama a service connecting it to HillaryLand… and Napolitano does not buy that HIllaryLand disseminated it.

Who knows.

Think he lacked for advisors on that Great Africa trip? Seems so.


Halperin’s The Page has extensive text from the Cleveland Jewish Community appearacne.. will fish up the link

90. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

Supposedly, from what I read, it has been on conservative sites for a week ro so (I saw a thread from Free Republic on it) and at a tabloid, The Examiner.

Neokong has been posting it on PFF for a couple of days (I think).

Note. The Troops have been growing beards in Afghanistan for awhile and it even became an issue for awhile.


Very few men can get away with wearing a toga. I shudder to think of how I’d look in one.

91. NYCO - 25 February 2008

I never heard of World Can’t Wait. So much for their “reach” into Middle America. 🙂

I had once entertained vague thoughts of going to New Hampshire for Dean (quite vague) and even went so far as to inquire among local DFA people about it, but the answers I got back about specifics were so fuzzy and so obviously not real answers, that I immediately dropped any notion of doing it. There are just certain signals that an organization gives off which should tell anyone it’s a waste of time… vague answers or non-answers are one of them…

What’s scary is that there are a lot of people out there who don’t seem to have this kind of basic bullshit meter. (I don’t want to say “bullshit” – that’s rather strong – but maybe a “they lack seriousness” meter.)

92. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 February 2008

Add American guilt over the Holocaust (which of course we had nothing to do with)

Oh, really? Not to mention IBM and other companies. Some of these people were also connected to the Business Plot against FDR that Gen. Butler exposed.

There were fairly large pro-nazi groups in America, especially in the the NE, and many Jewish refugees found our ports to be less-than-welcoming.

93. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 February 2008

Now with the Democratic Party on the rise, the explanation will probably be about the lack of educational opportunties that come with the breakdown of the New Deal.

Yup, exactly. America has hated intellectuals since before it WAS its own country. It’s part of the DNA of this country, like racism. Thankfully, there is always a countervaling bunch of freethinkers who push back against the gleeful stupid.

94. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

Oh, really? Not to mention IBM and other companies. Some of these people were also connected to the Business Plot against FDR that Gen. Butler exposed.

True. And Mellon also lent huge amount of money to Mussolini in 1926.

But I think the Israel lobby’s main appeal to Americans rests more on our chauvinism and exceptionalism than our guilt anyway.

The typical right wing pro-Israel website has one line.

“Hey Americans. Those Arabs aren’t like us.”

And Americans respond with “then bomb them”.

It’s Noom’s whole act. Middle Easterners dress in ways and act in ways that deviate from middle American norms and anytime that happens someone will be putting it on a website somewhere.

This is very different from British imperialism in some ways. The British elites always had a sense of adventure, a sense of wanting to penetrate into non-Western cultures (see also Richard Burton’s sneaking into Mecca).

95. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

America has hated intellectuals since before it WAS its own country. It’s part of the DNA of this country, like racism. Thankfully, there is always a countervaling bunch of freethinkers who push back against the gleeful stupid.

Hofstadter’s book (unlike Allan Bloom’s) is a good book worth reading but it just reeks with elitist 1950s consensus liberalism and anti-populism.

96. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 February 2008

I love Tilda, in everything I’ve seen her in.

maybe I’m just too clouded by the days in which she was glorified by Michael Musto in the Voice

I helped Musto a time or two in my retail days in NYC. A relentless prick. Asshole. Prima donna. Absolutely horrible to the boy he was dragging around with him. Maybe one of the most unpleasant supposed “celebrities” I had the displeasure of encountering. Right up there with Harvey Feirstein and Henry Rollins.

Ugly little man.

97. marisacat - 25 February 2008
98. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 February 2008

But I think the Israel lobby’s main appeal to Americans rests more on our chauvinism and exceptionalism than our guilt anyway.

Oh, I think there is a lot of that, too, but I also think that people in the UK/US were persuaded into backing the establishment of the Zionist state based on their own guilt for not stopping the Shoah (a much better word for it … I hate the appropriation of “holocaust” to signify just one horrible genocidal campaign out of a world history so damned full of them) and for their own long histories of antisemitism (which is itself a misappropriation of a word, since “semite” refers to a whole group of people sharing a language-grouping, including Arabs).

WHENEVER a group of people considers themselves exceptional there is trouble, and that is epitomized by Germans in the 19th and early 20th century, Americans and now Israeli Zionists … it is an excuse for crimes and exploitation of other people who aren’t themselves part of the exceptional group.

99. marisacat - 25 February 2008

btw, did everyone notice Jon Stewart exposing Obama’s full name last night, to a billion (LOL, give or take a few) people? And iirc when he did so he explitely remarked that “Hussein” is the same name that Saddam bore.

No matter what, it did take it higher profile. But I notice little mention in the meida today, or I have not gotten to the sources that are retelling it.

100. lucid - 25 February 2008

Ugly little man.

I always got that impression from his writing – too clever for page 6 of the post, but just as vain and vapid.

101. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

based on their own guilt for not stopping the Shoah (a much better word for it

But note how easily we’ve gotten Rwanda and East Timor and Guatamala and any number of genocides.

Americans side with “winners” and we see the Israelis as winners and Arabs as losers.

Add the Iranian hostage crisis and 9/11 and you don’t have to work very hard to get Americans worked up about the Middle East.

But I think in addition Amerians just lack that love of the exotic and different that Europeans had in the 19th Century.

Anybody see that Capital One credit card commericial where the poor sap thinks he’s getting free plane tickets to Ireland but winds up getting sent to the middle of the Amazon rain forest instead.

We’re supposed to feel sorry for the guy and not realize that it costs several times the amount of money to go to the Amazon than it does to Ireland.

102. Hair Club for Men - 25 February 2008

Gotten OVER Rwanda etc.

Samantha Power was actually really good on how really bad Clinton was on Rwanda.

She didn’t mention the Iraq sanctions but…

103. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 February 2008

HERE is an interesting little additional tidbit about the “60 Minutes” Gov. Don Siegelman story last night:

Also today, Alabama Democratic Chairman Joe Turnham says he will send a letter to the Federal Communications Commission asking for a formal inquiry into the CBS Huntsville affiliate black out of the Siegelman airing. It has come to the attention of many Democrats in North Alabama that the principal owners of WHNT are Bush Pioneers and major republican donors.Many suspect that enormous pressure was put on CBS to not air the Siegelman story. If CBS received political pressure to stifle the first amendment rights of the network or affiliate, the FCC and Congress should take appropriate oversight into the matter.

104. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 February 2008

Good piece in Scientific American:

Space Wars – Coming to the Sky Near You?

“Take the high ground and hold it!” has been standard combat doctrine for armies since ancient times. Now that people and their machines have entered outer space, it is no surprise that generals the world over regard Earth orbit as the key to modern warfare. But until recently, a norm had developed against the weaponization of space—even though there are no international treaties or laws explicitly prohibiting nonnuclear antisatellite systems or weapons placed in orbit. Nations mostly shunned such weapons, fearing the possibility of destabilizing the global balance of power with a costly arms race in space.

In war, do not launch an ascending attack head-on against the enemy who holds the high ground. Do not engage the enemy when he makes a descending attack from high ground. Lure him to level ground to do battle.
—Sun Tzu, Chinese military strategist, The Art of War, circa 500 B.C.

That consensus is now in danger of unraveling. In October 2006 the Bush administration adopted a new, rather vaguely worded National Space Policy that asserts the right of the U.S. to conduct “space control” and rejects “new legal regimes or other restrictions that seek to prohibit or limit U.S. access to or use of space.” Three months later the People’s Republic of China shocked the world by shooting down one of its own aging Fengyun weather satellites, an act that resulted in a hailstorm of dangerous orbital debris and a deluge of international protests, not to mention a good deal of hand-wringing in American military and political circles. The launch was the first test of a dedicated antisatellite weapon in more than two decades—making China only the third country, after the U.S. and the Russian Federation, to have demonstrated such a technology. Many observers wondered whether the test might be the first shot in an emerging era of space warfare.

Critics maintain it is not at all clear that a nation’s security would be enhanced by developing the means to wage space war. After all, satellites and even orbiting weapons, by their very nature, are relatively easy to spot and easy to track, and they are likely to remain highly vulnerable to attack no matter what defense measures are taken. Further, developing antisatellite systems would almost surely lead to a hugely expensive and potentially runaway arms race, as other countries would conclude that they, too, must compete. And even tests of the technology needed to conduct space battles—not to mention a real battle—could generate enormous amounts of wreckage that would continue to orbit Earth. Converging on satellites and crewed space vehicles at speeds approaching several miles a second, such space debris would threaten satellite-based telecommunications, weather forecasting, precision navigation, even military command and control, potentially sending the world’s economy back to the 1950s.

105. marisacat - 25 February 2008

she’s “good” on Rwanda ONLY as it will be used to get so called liberals, so called democratic Democrats on board for some great rallying campaign that will further AFRICOM, and will NOT be peaceful “blue helmuts” (and the UN can most certainly do our killing dirty work when it suits) nor feeding missions (real ones) NOR hands off alliances with genuine, not false flag, NGOs that actually wish to work with and empower local grass roots.

The bitch is for war. Behind any face.

106. NYCO - 25 February 2008

There is a hugely important special election happening in New York tomorrow, one that could change the entire balance of political power in the nation’s third-most-populous state. I’m sure it will sail right over the heads of the Big Box Bloggers.

107. marisacat - 25 February 2008

Toledo Blade has a fairly extensive report on the sit down Obama did with the editorial board.

This snip is nice:

John Robinson Block, The Blade’s co-publisher and editor-in-chief, greeted Mr. Obama at the front entrance of the newspaper shortly after 2:45 p.m., telling him, “The Toledo Blade is a newspaper that believes in justice and never has supported George Bush.”

108. BooHooHooMan - 25 February 2008

Thanks for the Link to the remarks themselves, Mcat. One Chicago Minister thrown under the bus…Then the SOS.

And as I said that last point I would make is that you know my Pastor is going to be retiring over the next month. So my general view, and the reason that I raise this, this is always a sensitive point, what you don’t want to do is distance yourself or kick somebody away, because you are now running for President and you are worried about perceptions, particularly when someone is basically winding down their life and their career….


Well here’s my starting orientation is A – Israel’s security is sacrosanct, is non negotiable. That’s point number one. Point number two is that the status quo I believe is unsustainable over time. So we’re going to have to make a shift from the current deadlock that we’re in. Number three that Israel has to remain a Jewish state and what I believe that means is that any negotiated peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians is going to have to involve the Palestinians relinquishing the right of return as it has been understood in the past…….

Same Old Shit. Simply a Battle of the Conduits now…No talk against NeoCons. Never hear the word now or ‘PNAC”. Crickets.

109. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 February 2008

Al Giordano has a bunch of interesting stuff up at his campaign coverage blog:

11,000 in Cincinnati… with Buses to the Polls

Cincinnati — At a rally this afternoon, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama urged more than 11,000 cheering supporters to vote.

“It is absolutely critical that we have an extraordinary turnout.” he said.

Buses, in fact, were lined up to shuttle supporters to the elections board office in Hamilton County so they could vote.

Ohio Preview (I): It’s About Delegates

So let’s look, first, at the six CDs that have an odd number of delegates – the six places where there can’t be a delegate tie – which means that a candidate needs only 50 percent plus one vote over the other to gain a delegate.

As in many states, the way that Ohio’s Congressional districts are carved is that they tend to push all African-American voters into specific CDs. This will obviously be a key demographic next Tuesday, and I’ll be making note of that in these preliminary reviews.

Five of the districts offer five delegates apiece, which means a very high threshold of 70 percent to pick up a two-delegate advantage (currently that’s only possible in the 6th district, which favors Clinton, I’ll explain below) and another – the 17th Congressional District including Youngstown – offers seven delegates which means a candidate would have to gain more than 64 percent to get a two-delegate advantage, and that’s not likely to happen. So, in five of these six districts, the battle is for a simple majority.

And my favorite, w/ pics of GWB, Hillary and Bill in various folk garb:

If we take off our tinfoil hats, we have to acknowledge that, like him or not, Matt Drudge drives the news cycle as effectively as any other media, probably moreso. He’s obviously no more credible than the New York Times or big TV networks but given their penchant for error and distortion, The Field can’t say that he’s any less credible than the sources those same people quote every day. Drudge has scored as many legitimate scoops as any of them (and made as many errors and distortions, too).

What’s more interesting to The Field is how Drudge hung the Clinton camp out to dry on this one: indicating, most likely, that he’s sending them a message that says, “why did you leak this to someone else instead of me?” Once you enter into the devil’s bargain of feading the beast, well, the beast must be fed again and again.

I don’t doubt for a New York minute that the Clinton camp is responsible for circulating the photo. Nobody else would have motive right now. Republicans would have saved it for October. (And right now there’s a bounty on a photo of John McCain in some global traditional garb!)

But this meme is yet another example of 1990s politics in the 21st century: Somebody out there wants you to think, “well, other people are going to be freaked out by that” and the intent of that is to freak you out. But it hasn’t worked, so far, this cycle, has it?

The Field doesn’t think these photos are going to change votes, but the way that the story rocketed and ricocheted across the Internet is going to make the next eight days prior to the Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont primaries even more acrimonious between the Obama and Clinton camps.

Everybody calm down.


Clinton in 2002: NAFTA a “Fundamental Idea” that “Changed America”

As Ohio and Texas get ready to vote on March 4, we are close to the moment of truth, when it becomes clear to all that NAFTA is the single-most life-changing event for people of both states in decades: It created greater unemployment in both states and, especially in Texas, a greatly expanded “illegal” immigrant underclass persecuted by the very powers that take advantage of the economic exile that NAFTA caused them.

Eight-and-a-half years after its enactment on January 1, 1994 – in July of 2002, after all these harmful effects were crystal clear on both sides of the US-Mexico border, newly elected US Senator Hillary Clinton went to give a speech at an organization of which she has long been a champion: the Democratic Leadership Council, or DLC, the corporate arm of the Democratic party, and the intellectual authors of Bill Clinton’s 1992 candidacy for president.

Sirota has dug up the text of Senator Clinton’s speech, which says that NAFTA, among other legacies of the 1990s Clinton administration, “came out of some very fundamental ideas about what would work. The results speak for themselves. Those ideas were converted into policies programs that literally changed millions of lives and, I argue, changed America.”

Note the use of the word “I.” Not “we.” But “I.”

“I argue,” said Senator Clinton, in clearly personal terms, that NAFTA “would work. The results speak for themselves” and “literally changed millions of lives and… changed America.”

Yes it did, Senator, yes it did.

110. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 February 2008

Trial Starts for Detectives in Bell Shooting

Updated, 1:08 p.m. | Prosecutors and defense lawyers offered sharply differing accounts this morning of the November 2006 shooting that killed Sean Bell, as the trial of three New York City police detectives charged with killing Mr. Bell began in State Supreme Court in Queens.

Charles A. Testagrossa, an assistant district attorney, called the shooting unjustified. “The story of how this tragedy occurred is a tale of carelessness,” he said, adding that the shooting “can only be characterized as criminal.” He singled out Detectives Michael Oliver and Gescard F. Isnora, who together fired 42 shots at Mr. Bell and are charged with manslaughter, saying they should have paused as they fired to assess the effects of their actions.

A veteran judge, Justice Arthur J. Cooperman, is conducting the trial. The three detectives waived their right to a jury trial after their motion to have the trial moved was rejected.

Here’s an interesting twist in the proceedings:

Anthony L. Ricco, the lawyer for Detective Isnora, offered an emotional opening statement that invoked race. Describing his client as a hard-working African-American from Bushwick, Mr. Ricco argued that black police officers — particularly those who work undercover or in plain clothes, like his client — are in particular danger. Mr. Bell and his companions, Mr. Ricco argued, merely saw Detective Isnora as “a Negro with a gun.” When Mr. Bell rammed his vehicle toward police officers, he said, “he intended to run the black man into the ground.”

Well, strange men, who don’t identify themselves as cops and have guns … I’D run.

and THIS from another defense attorney (funny how this argument isn’t even allowed when you’re in a getaway car from a crime):

Paul P. Martin, a lawyer for the third detective, Marc Cooper, who is charged with reckless endangerment, said his client did not deserve to be on trial. Detective Cooper fired four shots, one of which hit an AirTrain station; none of the shots hit a person. Detective Cooper was, in fact, shooting out of the back of a police vehicle driven by another police officer, who fired a single shot but was not charged.

“He doesn’t hit a thing. Where is he?” Mr. Martin asked. Then he gestured to his client and asked, rhetorically: “What’s he doing here?”

111. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 February 2008

oops, messed up that last blockquote.

112. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 February 2008

GOP fears charges of racism, sexism

Top Republican strategists are working on plans to protect the GOP from charges of racism or sexism in the general election, as they prepare for a presidential campaign against the first ever African-American or female Democratic nominee.

The Republican National Committee has commissioned polling and focus groups to determine the boundaries of attacking a minority or female candidate, according to people involved. The secretive effort underscores the enormous risk senior GOP operatives see for a party often criticized for its insensitivity to minorities in campaigns dating back to the 1960s.

The RNC project is viewed as so sensitive that those involved in the work were reluctant to discuss the findings in detail. But one Republican strategist, who asked that his name be withheld to speak candidly, said the research shows the daunting and delicate task ahead.

Republicans will be told to “be sensitive to tone and stick to the substance of the discussion” and that “the key is that you have to be sensitive to the fact that you are running against historic firsts,” the strategist explained.

113. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 February 2008

oh, and on page 2:

“You can’t allow the party to be Macaca-ed,” she continued, referring to a much-publicized remark made by former GOP Sen. George Allen that played a significant role in his 2006 defeat. “I think the standards are higher and the bar is lower for the Republican Party.”

Republicans interviewed for this story uniformly believe they will have to be especially careful. Many expect to be held to a higher rhetorical standard than is customary in campaigns, in part because of perceptions of intolerance that still dog the party.

Hoisted on the petard of your own Southern Strategy.

114. Miss Devore - 25 February 2008

a headline:

“NYT Tuesday: Clinton now unleashing ‘kitchen sink’… Developing…”

Great. We’re going to get her SAT scores, her 10 pound Girl Scout medal sash…..

115. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 February 2008
116. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 February 2008

The “Rules of War”

Sometimes as we struggle for justice and fairness we forget how truly unjust the unending suffering those of our nation’s leadership have unleashed upon a mostly unsuspecting world (although not anymore). If we are to consider that ALL people are just that, people…… only then will we conceive the horrors of the reality that is the American Empire. The thirteen year sanctions upon the country of Iraq have caused suffering almost incomprehensible to most of us. Felicity Arbuthnot in an open letter to Britian’s Minister of State for International Development at Global Research writes:

“To illustrate the the iniquity, an acquaintance, in desperation, sent a supply if insulin, in a jiffy bag, to his diabetic brother in Baghdad, as none was available. It was returned by the Post Office as needing an export licence.His brother died before the license arrived. I myself was threatened by DFID with prosecution, for taking a year’s supply of cancer treatment to a surgeon with cancer, who had worked here at the Hammersmith Hospital, a specialist in pediatric orthopedics, who had enabled numerous British children walk again, able to use their arms, straightened small bodies. Cancer treatments too, were vetoed by the United Nations Sanctions Committee.

From elevators, to central oxygen, to incubators, all gradually collapsed – with the Sanctions Committee denying parts or replacements. And as the years went on, the situation deteriorated from the impossible to the apocalyptic. Then based on a pack of lies, Iraq was bombed and invaded in 2003 and the hospitals and health service have near-collapsed entirely – along with everything else – so catastrophically, under the United States and Britain’s watch and responsibility, that an oft repeated Iraqi refrain, is to refer to the ‘golden days’ of the embargo. The 2003 attack was, of course, Nuremberg’s ‘supreme international crime’ which as a lawyer, you will of course, be aware.” — Global Research

Barry Lando, in his book “Web of Deceit” describes the embargo which lasted from 8/1990 through 5/2003 this way: “The most lethal weapons of mass destruction to hit the people of Iraq were the sanctions imposed by the UN Security Council in August 6, 1990. They cut off all exports and imports between Iraq and the rest of the world; that meant everything–from food and electric generators to vaccines, hospital equipment, and even medical journals. Since Iraq imported 70 percent of its food, and its principal revenues were derived from the export of petroleum, the sanctions had an immediate and catastrophic impact on the country.”

If we had any decency as a nation, we’d be ashamed, we’d leave and we’d make reparations.

NONE of those things will happen.

117. marisacat - 25 February 2008

NONE of those things will happen.

and that is why I won’t vote at the Federal level. I wish had the strength and physical courage to withhold taxes, but I don’t.

118. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 February 2008

I’m REALLY enjoying the wringing of hands and wailing over Nader’s announcement yesterday, and am especially appreciating the fact that the more the donklephants bitch and moan, the MORE teevee time the media will give Ralph.

Oh, what joy.

119. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 February 2008

The Calm Before the Conflagration

Iraq is Yugoslavia before the storm. It is a caldron of weapons, lawlessness, hate and criminality that is destined to implode. And the current U.S. policy, born of desperation and defeat, means that when Iraq goes up, the U.S. military will have to scurry like rats for cover.

The supporters of the war, from the Bush White House to Sen. John McCain, tout the surge as the magic solution. But the surge, which primarily deployed 30,000 troops in and around Baghdad, did little to thwart the sectarian violence. The decline in attacks began only when we bought off the Sunni Arabs. U.S. commanders in the bleak fall of 2006 had little choice. It was that or defeat. The steady rise in U.S. casualties, the massive car bombs that tore apart city squares in Baghdad and left hundreds dead, the brutal ethnic cleansing that was creating independent ethnic enclaves beyond our control throughout Iraq, the death squads that carried out mass executions and a central government that was as corrupt as it was impotent signaled catastrophic failure.

The United States cut a deal with its Sunni Arab enemies. It would pay the former insurgents. It would allow them to arm and form military units and give them control of their ethnic enclaves. The Sunni Arabs, in exchange, would halt attacks on U.S. troops. The Sunni Arabs agreed.

The U.S. is currently spending hundreds of millions of dollars to pay the monthly salaries of some 600,000 armed fighters in the three rival ethnic camps in Iraq. These fighters—Shiite, Kurd and Sunni Arab—are not only antagonistic but deeply unreliable allies. The Sunni Arab militias have replaced central government officials, including police, and taken over local administration and security in the pockets of Iraq under their control. They have no loyalty outside of their own ethnic community. Once the money runs out, or once they feel strong enough to make a thrust for power, the civil war in Iraq will accelerate with deadly speed.

120. liberalcatnip - 25 February 2008
121. Miss Devore - 25 February 2008

115. I liked the side article “Depressed Candidate takes out Attack ad on himself”

122. liberalcatnip - 25 February 2008
123. BooHooHooMan - 25 February 2008

LOL catnip where~~ the fuck~ did you get that? That is Hillarious!…

Oh one other thing ,never thought I’d say it, but over at PFF you guys get a load of the NeoKong Diary? I confess I LOL’d at the pics…

124. liberalcatnip - 25 February 2008

LOL catnip where~~ the fuck~ did you get that?

Just a happy surfing accident. 😉

125. keirdubois - 25 February 2008

I never have happy surfing accidents. They always involve more water on the brain and the tearful loss of expensive Churchill fins.

126. liberalcatnip - 25 February 2008

My surfing doesn’t involve water, although water on the brain still ensues at times.

127. liberalcatnip - 26 February 2008

Al Jazeera interview with Cindy Sheehan.

Btw, I applaud Nader for joining the race. The more, the merrier and he definitely has a message that isn’t being heard. I really don’t care if his presidential runs are the result of some character flaw, as some people have speculated. He can run so why not do it? (Plus, it drives kossacks nuts, so that’s a bonus).

128. BooHooHooMan - 26 February 2008

LOL. Hitting the hay in New Jersey – The Toxic Waste Dump State(c)

129. JJB - 26 February 2008

It seems the Turks have worn out their welcome in Iraq:

Iraq’s government condemned on Tuesday Turkey’s incursion into northern Iraq to fight Kurdish guerrillas and demanded Ankara withdraw its troops immediately after what it described as a violation of Iraq’s sovereignty.

“The cabinet expressed its rejection and condemnation for the Turkish military interference, which is considered a violation of Iraq’s sovereignty,” the Iraqi government said in a cabinet statement released by spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh.

“The cabinet stresses that unilateral military action is not acceptable and threatens good relations between the two neighbors,” it said in the strongest language used by Baghdad since the operation began last Thursday.

Big surprise, huh?

BTW, the only place I’ve seen this military action called by its proper name, i.e., “invasion,” is over at Juan Cole’s site. Everyone else is channeling Mad Dick Nixon (“This is not an invasion of Cambodia.”).

130. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 February 2008

I really don’t care if his presidential runs are the result of some character flaw,

ALL Presidential runs are the result of a character flaw. You’ve got to be nuts to do it.

131. marisacat - 26 February 2008

hmm i heard both Biden and Hagel (be happy! it was bi partisan!) basically excuse the … crossover… forget what they called it, doubt ti was invasion. On Lehrer.

They nattered on about the PKK, said we call them bad guys “evil doers” (we are bipartisanly stuck with that demonically stupid shit, I guess) and they are on our sacrosanct terror list.


132. marisacat - 26 February 2008

it’s a fucking train wreck.

And another fucking train wreck. Once in a rut there for a long time.

the queen mother (5.00 / 1)

is the only woman the liberal womyn let us make fun off without telling us we are mysognyists

The Revolution will be Photoshopped
by Revisionist @ Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 20:28:19 PM PST
[ Parent | Respond to this Idiocy

Gosh tho who would bother to stop the hatred online. It’s waaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond misogyny..

133. keirdubois - 26 February 2008

It’s a character flaw. You have to be three kinds of crazy to even run for state office.

134. liberalcatnip - 26 February 2008

Okay, okay…as long as we’re admitting that it’s a character flaw of all involved. 🙂

135. liberalcatnip - 26 February 2008

Dodd endorses Obama. Quel surprise.

136. liberalcatnip - 26 February 2008

Obama movie talk:

Will Smith is Obama’s pick to play him if a movie is made about his life, something the two have discussed.

“Will and I have talked about this because he has the ears!” the Illinois senator said in an interview slated to air Tuesday and Wednesday.

Yes. That’s what we need. A movie about Obama’s life. Sheesh.

137. liberalcatnip - 26 February 2008

Oscars draw record low TV ratings

Sunday’s broadcast, with comedian Jon Stewart making his second appearance as Oscar host, now ranks as the smallest U.S. TV audience for the Oscars since 1974, when actual viewer totals first became available.

The household rating, 18.7, also marks the lowest level by that measure going back to the first televised Oscars in 1953.

138. marisacat - 26 February 2008


Entertainment rules… And a cut of the deal, I would suspect.

LOL I remember a few months ago when Cate Blanchette spoke with great certainty that she would love to play HIllary.


139. liberalcatnip - 26 February 2008

Gennifer Flowers’ revenge:

Gennifer Flowers is putting the tapes of her recorded conversations with Bill Clinton during their 12-year affair on the auction block, Vegas Confidential learned Monday.

Flowers, who came forward during Clinton’s 1992 Presidential election campaign with details of the relationship, said she decided to part with the tapes after renewed interest surfaced. She was offered $5 million by a Japanese collector in the 1990s, she said.

Asked about the timing of her announcement coming out as Hillary Clinton continues to slide in her presidential bid, “I don’t need to hurt Hillary. She is doing a fine job of that herself, along with her idiot husband. Karma is an interesting thing. If these two don’t get elected, and they are a team, it will be karma coming back to visit them. It’s about time.”
Flowers is also exploring a new book with “explosive story additions to the Clinton affair,” her publicist Bruce Merrin said in a release. The book “ill contain a special item which must remain a protected secret until the book is published.”

Not that she’s bitter or anything…

140. liberalcatnip - 26 February 2008

I wonder why she’s changed her tune since Dec 07 – perhaps because Hillary is losing so she sees a chance to cash in?

It’s not clear it’s an endorsement Hillary Clinton wants. But Gennifer Flowers, who played a role in the 1992 presidential campaign, is leaning toward supporting the New York senator and former first lady for the 2008 Democratic nomination.

Flowers, of course, is the woman who claimed to have a long-running affair with Bill Clinton when he was running for president in 1992. She called a press conference to play tapes she said proved it, and it ended it up being one of several episodes linking Clinton with various women.

Fifteen years later, Flowers is impressed with the candidacy of Bill Clinton’s wife.

“I can’t help but want to support my own gender, and she’s as experienced as any of the others, except maybe Joe Biden,” Gennifer Flowers told the Associated Press.

Flowers told the AP she is still undecided, but she supports abortion rights and wants to see a woman in the White House. She did describe Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.), however, as “smart, sexy and experienced.”

141. liberalcatnip - 26 February 2008

More Flowers in Dec 07:

Today the media frenzy, the book tour and the Penthouse shoot is behind her. The defamation suit she once filed against Hillary Clinton was dismissed. The 57-year-old lounge singer says she plans to stay far away from presidential politics.

“I don’t have any interest whatsoever in getting back out there and bashing Hillary Clinton,” Flowers said.

Right. Sure.

142. liberalcatnip - 26 February 2008

Why is Robert Gates acting like the US’s chief arms dealer in India? Makes me wonder how any Dem candidate can promise not to pander to corporate interests.

143. liberalcatnip - 26 February 2008

Entertainment rules… And a cut of the deal, I would suspect.

He has to pay off his McMansion somehow.

144. liberalcatnip - 26 February 2008

Is it just me? I can’t get Hotmail, MSN or MSN messenger to load. Odd.

145. aemd - 26 February 2008

Former Hodes chief-of-staff emerges as Daily Kos blogger

Dana and (of course) Missy Laura troll the comments. 😀

Strange that no one ever questions if Dana’s longtime position at Dkos had anything to do with Hodes being picked as a netroots candidate. 😎

146. liberalcatnip - 26 February 2008

Dana and (of course) Missy Laura troll the comments.

And badly, I might add.

147. BooHooHooMan - 26 February 2008

LOL. We got an debossed (numb)skull here
Short end of a 2 x 4 to the forehead….

As if John Edwards had never existed
by vard [Subscribe]
Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 10:15:57 AM PST

Yesterday both of Oregon’s leading Democratic US Senate candidates, Steve Novick and Jeff Merkley, endorsed Barack Obama. Both had formerly supported John Edwards, as I did and as many kossacks did (and some of us still do). Merkley, in fact, was a cochair of Edwards’ campaign in Oregon.

The words they chose are revealing of the two men who want to be my next Senator. While Novick acknowledged Edwards and the issues he championed, Merkley simply wiped the slate clean and wrote on it anew, as if John Edwards had never existed.

* vard’s diary :: ::

Novick provided a reasoned analysis of the strengths and weaknesses of Clinton and Obama, and spoke openly about the importance of the issues John Edwards brought to the fore in his campaign, but Merkley took a different approach. Merkley simply pretended that he was tabula rasa, as if had never endorsed John Edwards, or anyone for that matter, and released a statement that spoke only about how much he and Obama seemed to have in common, just as he and John Edwards presumably had so much in common a few weeks ago……[Snip]

148. liberalcatnip - 26 February 2008

Merkley simply wiped the slate clean and wrote on it anew, as if John Edwards had never existed.

sniff sniff…pass the tissues…

149. marisacat - 26 February 2008

picture and a snip to hold up a thread…


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