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Just a multifarious nefarious thread… 18 March 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Israel/AIPAC.


Angry Arab 

Obama on Israel: “Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country — a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.” (thanks Ali)

Posted by As’ad at 9:16 AM

Well! As long as we are certain it is the radicals!




1. Miss Devore - 18 March 2008

best nuanced title.

2. Hair Club for Men - 18 March 2008

Angry Arab has a rather nasty troll infestation.

3. Hair Club for Men - 18 March 2008

Really funny pro-Obama titles at Kos

He wrote it himself. Think of that. He wrote it. Himself.

Obama Was a Lot Like This as My Professor

4. Miss Devore - 18 March 2008

HCfM–well, he can write.

Much better than one who can barely speak.

5. liberalcatnip - 18 March 2008

Speaking of crazy uncles, I see Murtha has endorsed Hillary.

6. Miss Devore - 18 March 2008

Murthless. Wasn’t he the big out-of-Iraq star, like 2 years ago. I guess he assessed Clinton’s earmarks matched his.

I do wonder what is keeping Feingold out of the fray.

7. lucid - 18 March 2008

The clusterfuck of denial

You’re a bitch.
You’re a nigger.

I’ll show you that I’m not a bitch, because I cry so hard when I think about my 35 [tm] years of service handcuffing any policy that might actually make a difference in people’s lives.

I’m not a nigger, because I’m post-racial, which means that the whole history of race relations can be summed up in a rousing speech and forgotten because I said some nice things that appealed to alienated white folk.

Should I post this as a diary at Dkos… just that… I can only imagine the spew…

8. liberalcatnip - 18 March 2008

Should I post this as a diary at Dkos… just that…

Another suicide blogger enters the marketplace. Duck!

9. liberalcatnip - 18 March 2008
10. lucid - 18 March 2008

Catnip… I’m tempted… but it is 2:15, my male cat has gone into suckling mode, I played akick ass show tonight, I have to work tomorrow morning, and…the fun has been lost. While I would love to tease them, I’m becoming more mature…

Or at least more tired.

11. marisacat - 18 March 2008

well in the crying games, seems there were some tears at the close of the speech.

Not to be left out.

Esp on a day when Lieberman officiates as Nancy Reagan (the whispered corrections)

What a load of fucking chumps.

Line em up and run them out of town. All fo them.

12. liberalcatnip - 18 March 2008

Or at least more tired.

I can relate to that. My life is a long series of naps interrupted by dentist appointments and cable news shows. 😉

There’s no point in teasing them anyway. They just wouldn’t get it. They’re modern-day tomato throwers. And, with that reference, odd tomato throwing repercussions in Ohio. (They take that shit seriously there!)

13. Hair Club for Men - 18 March 2008

Should I post this as a diary at Dkos… just that… I can only imagine the spew…

They would hang you in a tree for several days, making sure that there was a licensed physician on site to keep you alive and in pain. Then they’d cut you down and chop your body into several hundred pieces. After that, Pastor Dan would say a prayer for your immortal soul and Meteor Blades would take photos to prove 20 years from now that he was there. Then they’d ban you from the Daily Kos permanently.

14. lucid - 18 March 2008

Eight teens also were charged with throwing tomatoes at passing vehicles in a prank that led to the shooting death of their friend.

Now that is much more than just tomato throwing.


I’m out… g’night vipes.

15. liberalcatnip - 18 March 2008

Sideshow Obamalama dramalama at My Left Drama – speaking of politics breeding division.

13. They’re not that organized. They’d need someplace to send money now! to get someone to do their dirty work for them.

16. lucid - 18 March 2008

and Meteor Blades would take photos to prove 20 years from now that he was there

Ain’t that the sad truth…

17. lucid - 18 March 2008

He’ also probably be ‘assisting some abortions’ at the same time… you know… just to look good with the wimmins.

18. liberalcatnip - 18 March 2008

lol…you guys are bad, 🙂

19. liberalcatnip - 18 March 2008

Whose turn is it to polish the mud wallow this week, btw?

Oh – I just found this useless bit of trivia: “A poke is an old English word for mud wallow”.

So when MB talked about polishing mud wallows, was he really referring to us polishing “pokes”? Logically, from that then, I think it’s safe to say he’s a perv.

/late nite herbal ramblings

20. Hair Club for Men - 18 March 2008

The finger makes its reappearence.


21. liberalcatnip - 18 March 2008

“Jackals for Obama”. Yikes. I do agree with his/her point that a morning speech wasn’t likely seen by many people. Hard to measure what the impact will be.

22. liberalcatnip - 18 March 2008

20. Pointiness is everything. That and saying “look” while you’re pointing.

23. lucid - 18 March 2008

there’s nothing worse than faux equality… and feminism is often deployed by seemingly ‘sympathetic’ men.

Not to say that there aren’t feminist men, just to say that be wary of the man who pretends feminist pretexts to curry favor with women.

I s’pose that might include me…

But ya’ll know this.. all too well & better than I could ever say…

And now, I really should sleep…


24. liberalcatnip - 18 March 2008

Speaking of toast.

25. liberalcatnip - 18 March 2008


This is the wierdest thing.

Yesterday morning my wife asked me if I wanted toast for breakfast.

I said “sure.”

Now I wish that I had never said that. Because what appeared on my

slice of toast was the strangest image that has the uncanny likeness

of Barack Obama. What could this possibly mean? Its not my imagination either,

just LOOK at the photograph! ITS OBAMA. I checked my toaster.

Its Just a regular old toaster that has never produced anything like this before!

But it doesn’t end there.

I e-mailed a picture of the wierd toast to a friend of mine,

asking him for his opinion. He forwarded it to some Hillary Clinton

campaign person and by 4pm I heard a knock at my door.

“We’ll give you $20 bucks for the Obama Toast.”

Two men stood in my doorway, both neatly dressed, the older of the two

seemed to be the spokesperson. He reached into his pocket and

produced a roll of cash. Peeling of a crisp $20, he handed it to me.

I almost took it, but then something didn’t make sense.

“Who are you and why do you want my toast?” I queried.

“Let’s just say that we’re with the Clinton campaign and this toast

with the Obama apparition on it is something that is a little inconvenient right now.”

“I see.” I said as I slowly closed and locked the screen door. “I think I can

get a better offer on Ebay.”

The men made one more offer of $25, but left unhappily when

I suggested they check out my Ebay auction page.

So there you have it. If the Clinton campaign wants this toast,

they’ll have to bid on it like everyone else. I’m starting it out

at $1, just to make them mad.

Winning bidder will pay $4 for shipping and

I promise, VERY careful handling.

26. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 March 2008


It’s too tightly packed to pick out an excerpt.

Have a good day, everybody.

27. melvin - 19 March 2008

Listening to Obama’s Iraq speech in Fayetteville. He is attacking by name the policies of Hillary Clinton, McCain and Bush over and over as if he is funning against all three. Weird effect.

28. melvin - 19 March 2008

or running, whatever

29. Miss Devore - 19 March 2008

more funning:

” I mentioned that, sorry, I had donated $50 (none / 0) (#19)
by Miss Devore on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 09:47:50 PM EST
to Barack Obama this month, and my comment got deleted?

No money to spare for bloggers who likely make over 3X more than I do.

Guess it was “off-topic”

[ Reply to This ]

Jeralyn, I have an interesting off-topic story (none / 0) (#20)
by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:29:36 PM EST
re. who’s selecting Democratic nominee. There’s no open thread so I sent the materials in an email to you. Hope that’s ok.

[ Parent | Reply to This | 1 2 3 4 5 ]

I’m not Jeralyn (none / 0) (#23)
by Miss Devore on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 10:59:54 PM EST
as if that wasn’t obvious.

[ Parent | Reply to This ]
[new] there’s an open thread now (none / 0) (#24)
by Jeralyn on Tue Mar 18, 2008 at 11:03:57 PM EST
and enough from Ms. Devore ”

I love the way people insist on turning a fictional character from Boris Karloff’s Thriller from the early 60’s into “Ms. Devore”

Little Ms. Muffet
Sat on her tuffet…

30. marisacat - 19 March 2008

Lenin’s Tomb takes a closer look at the global crise in the monetary, investment and credit games.

And it is not pretty.

Coda: One of the major global banks to have suffered least so far from this collapse has been HSBC, one of Britain’s ‘big five’. It did have substantial exposure in the ‘subprime’ market. It did experience considerable losses.

Yet, its profits increased quite substantially on last year: know why? Because they had shifted a huge amount of their investment from the United States to Asia, particularly China. After recent losses, they seem to have cut investments in the US drastically.

Although those economies are hardly insulated from any crash in the US, consumer spending has been rising for years in China, and the country is about to open up its financial sector even further. Further, it looks set to invest more overseas. So far Chinese growth has been a huge boost to US capitalism, but it seems clear that any major crisis in the US will redound to the benefit of China in particular.

what China doesn’t have, and can’t possibly compete in, is an empire. To be sure, it does occupy Tibet – as we see, in a quite repressive fashion – and Taiwan would like its independence. Yet, compared to America’s awesome global dominion, this is a handful of beans. Parenthetically, one has always hoped for a more radical Tibetan liberation movement to emerge, something with enough blood in it to put Richard Gere off his soy beans.

Yet, one can’t help but marvel at the hypocrisy of liberal critics such as Steven Spielberg and Mia Farrow banging on about the fucking ‘genocide Olympics’, as if they didn’t live in a country that was not merely investing in another country whose elite is waging a vicious counterinsurgency war but actually prosecuting a far more vicious one in several countries that they don’t even own yet.

The main point I would make, however, is that while policymakers will attempt various means including protectionist ones to defend the economy, this whole situation is likely to make the US ruling class far more reliant on its military power.

The grab for Iraq was a crucial part of the intense competition with China, and winning that competition – frustrating the rise of a major geopolitical rival, as the PNACers insist – is probably going to involve more assertiveness in South Asia.

They’ll need to control Pakistan as well as Afghanistan. They’ll want their military bases back in Uzbekistan. They’ll want to control as much of the oil and gas reserves near the Caspian sea as they can keep out of Russia’s hands. And they’ll have to do something about Latin America, where growing moves toward independence are undermining US capitalist interests and letting China in on the action. A crisis doesn’t just mean economic turmoil; it means a more deadly and fraught world system.

Meanwhile the anti-China-but-silent-on-Iraq-and- weeping-to-enhance-the-diversionary-use-of-horror-in-Darfur/Congo/Niger Delta/Horn of Africa/ will square their shoulders, wear their rubber solidarity with Bono bracelets, double check they have Holbrook on their fav five and soldier on.

As the human wreckage piles up.

31. lucid - 19 March 2008

wear their rubber solidarity with Bono bracelets


32. bayprairie - 19 March 2008

i’m reading some of the state/local opinion/pushback on the wright controversy. heres one of the afrospear/Jena 6 bloggers, shawn williams, writing from dallas. i came to his blog via the dallas morning news. they’ve published a similar version to what I’m posting, which went up on his blog on monday.

The Media Lynching of Rev. Jeremiah Wright (Part 1 of 3):
How a 36 year career of evangelism and activism is reduced to a 30 second sound bite

What is most shameful about this entire episode with Dr. Wright and Barack Obama is that it shows how little America knows about and how much less America cares about the black church. A black preacher uttering words from the pulpit regarding America’s racist past and present is neither novel or unique.

Now the same media structure that constantly undermined Dr. Martin Luther King, and the same government that tapped every phone that he used, wants to prop him up as an example of “color-blind” preaching. The Dr. King who in his day was considered too radical and color concerned by his own contemporaries is now painted as a kumbaya fella who white folks would like to sit down and have a latte with. Save it America.

part two went up this morning.

The Media Lynching of Jeremiah Wright (Part 2 of 3): Crazy Talk

Do I think HIV was an experiment created to destroy black folks? I don’t.

Do I see how one might think such a thing? I do.

How can one fathom the U.S. Government conspiring against a race people, it’s own citizens no doubt? I believe these words can at least paint the picture.

For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.

The prevalent thought in America is that racism is a bad thing that happened very long ago. But the reality is that racism is a horrible thing that continues to exist today. It is woven into the very fibers of our country’s institution and in its purest form continues unnoticed.

here’s a link to the belo dallas morning news op-ed by shawn. it went up on their website yesterday afternoon and hit the print edition this morning. it’s interesting in that it isn’t a verbatim copy. i’m not sure if we’re seeing the influence of the paper’s editors at work (DMN is very conservative), or if shawn rewrote and polished.

33. lucid - 19 March 2008

Holy Crap! From the thread comments in the linked Angry Arab thread:

10:44 AM
Kahein said…
still don’t get it is right.

arabs have been fed the babyfood of moral equivalence for so long, that they don’t realize the only people who support them in the west are people who have no support.

only niggers like themselves. people with nothing, worth nothing, but want what you have, for free.

obama, meanwhile, stopped being a nigger with that speech.

but look on the bright side: ward churchill and farrakhan are still on your side,


Apparently my proposed Dkos diary of last night was pretty fucking spot on…

34. marisacat - 19 March 2008

Day long protests in SF against the war… from the Fed Building (people chained themselves to the building this am, last I heard 2 were cut loose and arrested) blocking 20+ offices (Chevron is one) across the city, blocking Market St, a huge scarlet banner was unfurled during the am traffic on one fo the bridges (think Bay bridge I missed catching it)

5 pm mass parade and demonstration.

Opps no it was Golden Gate Bridge that the banner was unfurled.

35. melvin - 19 March 2008

While everyone rakes over the nuances of American racism 24/7, indigenous people around the world are simply being quietly murdered if they are in the way of the corporate machinery, whether soy expansion in Brazil or Chinese interests’ plans to flood tribal areas of Burma for hydroelectricity to export out of the country.

To observe the UN’s International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (on March 21) Survival International has given an award to what it calls “the most racist article of the year.”

Originally published in Paraguay’s La Nación, the article Indians in Uruguay Square is available in original Spanish and English translation at SI’s website.

A Neolithic, Indian camp right in the city centre is unthinkable, but there it is, like a dangerous cancer, spreading bad smells, destruction and contamination. (Una toldería indígena neolítica en el centro de la ciudad es inconcebible y, sin embargo, allí está, como un cáncer expuesto, esparciendo malos olores, destrucción y contaminación ambiental.
If things carry on like this, if this leftist climate that makes people stupid continues, then soon one of the Indian leaders will declare himself a direct descendant of Arambaré and, with NGO money, move into the Lopez Palace and turn it into a pig-sty.
The Indians need to become civilized, to become Paraguayans, to forget this stupid idea of trying to preserve their backward, withered culture . . .
I haven’t met a single Paraguayan who wants to live in an Indian village, even though there are some very nearby, nor study their filthy habits. But I do know Indians who want to live in Asuncion in order to be educated, to escape the jungle mentality, and to turn themselves into human beings . . . .

36. lucid - 19 March 2008

wow… just, wow…

37. JJB - 19 March 2008

The DJIA is down 212 points, with an hour and twenty minutes to go before the close.

38. Miss Devore - 19 March 2008

I spoiled the live-blog of their conference call with the Clinton campaign:

“[new] then express it without insults (none / 0) (#19)
by Jeralyn on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:44:11 PM EST
or you will be banned.

[ Parent | Reply to This | 1 2 3 4 5 ]

[new] the banned wagon (none / 0) (#21)
by Miss Devore on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:48:21 PM EST
is preferable to the bandwagon. ”

I called her an insider. Why is that an insult if she is utterly thrilled to be one?

39. melvin - 19 March 2008

dkos diarist delivers knockout blow to HRC campaign:

Hillary is a supporter of Heather Mills!

Actually, she was giving lip service to Mills’ campaign against landmines. Nothing much more than lip service, but that’s another story. Here’s the real issue:

Will Hillary’s support of Heather Mills hurt her among Beatles fans?

Just when you think it can’t get any stupider.

40. marisacat - 19 March 2008

Norman Solomon / FAIR on the no coverage to a high point of a little coverage of the Winter Soldier hearings…

in a pattern reminiscent of the near complete corporate media blackout on the first Winter Soldier hearings. FAIR founder Jeff Cohen (Huffington Post, 3/16/08) traces the beginning of his career as a media critic back to his experience of watching as “one of the rare mainstream camera crews showed up at Winter Soldier… and then abruptly packed up to leave in the middle of particularly gripping testimony.”

While the testimony of soldiers who had served multiple tours of duty was broadcast on Pacifica Radio’s Democracy Now!, Free Speech TV, and the Real News network, the major broadcast networks and PBS instead devoted airtime to the pro-war assessments of Vice President Dick Cheney and Sen. John McCain, both of whom have only made brief visits to Iraq (NBC Nightly News, ABC World News, CBS Evening News, PBS NewsHour, all 3/17/08). ::snipsnap::

41. Miss Devore - 19 March 2008

more mischief:

” new] one more and you’re gone (none / 0) (#23)
by Jeralyn on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:52:12 PM EST

[ Parent | Reply to This | 1 2 3 4 5 ]

[new] if you are so thrilled (none / 0) (#24)
by Miss Devore on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 01:59:25 PM EST
to live-blog a clinton campaign call, why are you insulted to be called an “insider”?

[ Parent | Reply to This ]

would like to have asked Hillary about cluster-bombs v. land-mines,
but I don’t think I’m going to be in on the conference call, for some reason.

Heather Mills has experience profiting hugely from a bad marriage. She is a role model for all woman who got the raw end in a divorce.
This is 21st century feminism. Who are Yoko Ono & Mia Farrow supporting?

42. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

Cheney On Two-Thirds Of The American Public Opposing The Iraq War: ‘So?’

This morning, on the fifth anniversary of the Iraq invasion, ABC’s Good Morning America aired an interview with Vice President Cheney on the war. During the segment, Cheney flatly told White House correspondent Martha Raddatz that he doesn’t care about the American public’s views on the war:

CHENEY: On the security front, I think there’s a general consensus that we’ve made major progress, that the surge has worked. That’s been a major success.

RADDATZ: Two-third of Americans say it’s not worth fighting.


RADDATZ So? You don’t care what the American people think?

CHENEY: No. I think you cannot be blown off course by the fluctuations in the public opinion polls.

43. JJB - 19 March 2008

The DJIA lost 293 points today, meaning that 70% of yesterday’s gains were wiped out, for no apparent reason other than investors are unwilling to believe such a rebound was indicative of the economy’s soundness.

Sooner or later, BushCo.’s Free Money!!!!™ shenanigans will reach the point of diminished returns. When they do, all the Fed rate cuts and floods of money into the system won’t produce anything more than trivial stock market gains, indeed, may produce days like today because people won’t be able to ignore that such desperate measures indicate the whole rotten system is about to collapse.

44. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008
45. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008
46. XP - 19 March 2008

ABC is really going after Obama – Buried in Eloquence, Obama Contradictions About Pastor

Buried in his eloquent, highly praised speech on America’s racial divide, Sen. Barack Obama contradicted more than a year of denials and spin from him and his staff about his knowledge of Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s controversial sermons. …

His initial reaction to the initial ABC News broadcast of Rev. Wright’s sermons denouncing the U.S. was that he had never heard his pastor of 20 years make any comments that were anti-U.S. until the tape was played on air.

But yesterday, he told a different story.

“Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes,” he said in his speech yesterday in Philadelphia.

Obama did not say what he heard that he considered “controversial,” and the campaign has yet to answer repeated requests for dates on which the senator attended Rev. Wright’s sermons over the last 20 years.

47. cad - 19 March 2008

What does Kos have to say about pwogs protesting his site’s biggest cash cow? I mean, Chevron. You know they are giving DK the most cash. And they laugh at the site while his minions think they’re striking a blow to the Oil Man. “We’ll take their cash and make ’em go broke! We’re such little Roves!”

48. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

Obama’s Iraq war speech. I wrote a blurb about bits of it (and US politics in general) on my blog.

49. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

OMG – Tweety dances with Ellen DeGeneres on her show and ends up grabbing her boobs.

50. marisacat - 19 March 2008

well it was a glaring shift, several resources have pointed it out from ABC to Lynn Sweet at Sun Times in Chicago. Tho ABC has run this story hard since the 12th or whenver film of Wright broke thru.

Jon Meacham as well last night on CRose (tho he loved it all… )

The presumed reality is that there are lots of tapes (and media is indicating they have more, as more Wright outfits are showing up in snips with no accompanying soundbites) and Obama knows he too likely is on tape. Media is also showing more scans of TUCC audience clips.

Pleanty of news sources tho have pandered to and kept up (as late as yesterday) that all these instances “are years ago”. Eugene Robinson for one.

Geesh, Dec 2007 and Jan 2008 is not years ago.

caveat, I have no problemw ith what Wright said. But it is foolsih to say Obama handled this well. The campaign did not.

Lynn Sweet committed the extreme sin of calling it a political speech.

Or we can stay at some racial Disney Land, as in “Greatest since Martin”.

51. marisacat - 19 March 2008


that seals it. Tweety was not breat fed.


or soemthing.

52. marisacat - 19 March 2008


I cannot type.

53. melvin - 19 March 2008

48 — Too bad she didn’t grab him by his nuts, swing him over her head a few times, and toss him into the audience.

54. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

My feeling is that, no matter how good/great/brilliant/stunning people may have found Obama’s speech to be, it’ll end up being a wash for him politically. Either that or his numbers will drop slightly. I haven’t seen any polls taken since the speech so I guess we’ll have to wait. I think the bottom line is that, in general, people (real people, not the pundits/bloggers/journalists) don’t really want to talk about race – certainly not the extent that it needs to be talked about.

55. Hair Club for Men - 19 March 2008

The idea that Pat Buchanan is allowed to be an arbiter on what’s racist and what’s not on a major cable TV network is too surreal to comment on.

56. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

52. lol..that would have been a Kodak Moment.

57. melvin - 19 March 2008

53 I keep seeing this criticism of the speech that it is a total failure because it wasn’t simple(minded) enough. That it should have consisted of three or four well crafted sound bites. And that is from – I think – his fans, it is actually meant as constructive criticism.

Be stupider. Lower the bar. Talk about appealing to the worst.

58. melvin - 19 March 2008

55 — That’s assuming she could find anything to work with.

59. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

56. Maybe they thought it should appeal to Hillary’s “low-information” (ie. stupid) voters.

60. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

57. Well, he must store his chutzpah somewhere. 😉

61. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

Speaking of teh stoopid. (!!!!)

62. marisacat - 19 March 2008

I was not criticising the speech… basically he did what he had to do… called it a speech on race, which it had to be to try to get past the full blown reality of Wright – as exploited during a high stakes presidential run..

Overall, so much better to not duck this for a year. Get it out. As rfecently as the NYer profile on Michelle, the writer asked a simple question of Wright while at a church service with Michelle (I posted this at the time) and a minder ran over, No Questions in Church, of anyone. Michelle added they did nto want their church “hurt” in this.

God help them.

What I saw was a political speech with some truths worked into it. One that walked a tough line between holding segements of the black vote and try to keep segments of the whtie vote.

Delivered to a very friendly audience.

I have no problem with that, but I also saw last week that Obama would much have preferred to leave it at Huffpo, three cable interviews and that YouTube. And friendly editorials and pundits and opinion writers.

not enough.

How can they nto have seen what the Wright tapes would do? At least be ready.

Summer of 2003 when a Kerry supporter totally lost it in threads at Dkos when someone [honestly I think] asked what WAS the old story about the medals toss… I thought, Oh we have a problem. I knew the problems went way back, so I quietly googled on my own, no diaries no posts way before SBVfT and yes indeedy, iirc, there were, over the years, three stories, at least on the damned medals toss. All of them from him.

Plus his own medals hang on the wall of his senate office today. And did in 2003.

It was going to be a big big mess.

63. lucid - 19 March 2008

Yes – she ‘worked’ on NAFTA for a whole 15 minutes!

64. marisacat - 19 March 2008

Oh Nancy said today that Democrats will “continue to work to end the war”.

Nothing left to say really.

65. melvin - 19 March 2008

I remember very well groaning when Kerry came on at the convention, gave his cornball salute, and said whatever shit about reporting for duty. I was with a couple people who dont know or care anything about politics, and they groaned as well. “Hi, I’m a caricature of the composite that my focus groups said you wanted.” It’s bad enough not being able to fake authenticity, but to be unable to even be authentically fake, when it is the very core of your being, suggests a real crisis of identity.

66. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

Some kossack posted “bless Judicial Watch” in response to a comment about their role in getting Hillary’s schedules released, to which I responded, “yes, bless Judicial Watch.”

67. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

62. I swear I haven’t seen such a flood of kool-aid drinkers since…well…just insert an example of any Bush-supporting event here. Totally blinded by delusions. I guess that’s today’s fact-free Dem party. It just smacks of desperation, yet they say they’re not fearful.

68. melvin - 19 March 2008

63 — Yes, no doubt forever. She’s a perfect example of keeping the dream alive by staying asleep.

69. aemd - 19 March 2008

Rumor may explain why commodities tanked today.

” What sparked concern was a rumor that the futures exchanges or regulators – or maybe both – were considering raising margin requirements for “non commercial” commodities traders – especially non-com energy traders. Non-commercial traders speculate on the price of commodities but do not ever take delivery of the commodities. Amaranth was a non-commercial trader, while Exxon-Mobil is a commercial trader.”

Amaranth was a hedge fund that collapsed, in Sept 2006, playin’ the natural gas futures market.

70. bayprairie - 19 March 2008

glen ford at BAR

Fire and Damnation Awaits Those Who Transgress Against White America’s Civic Religion

Spearheaded by “researchers” from ABC, white folks “discovered” that retiring Dr. Jeremiah Wright, Jr. had loads of recordings of his sermons available for sale. What the neophyte racial researchers heard shocked their sensibilities to the bone. America was born in a charnal house of mass racial murder and every conceivable abomination to God and Man. This is the great genesis 0f the U.S.A. And it is incontrovertible fact, from which all our racial conflicts and disparities flow.

The real American religion is all about race: the glorification in the conquest of two darker races by the favored white race.

ABC and the rest of the press were initially confused as to how to characterize Dr. Wright’s rather ordinary dissertation on the racist origins and countless crimes of the U.S. Many other Black clerics and statesmen have bequeathed similar assessments to history – although few whites found such documents worthy of attention. Should Dr. Wright’s sermons be listed under “race” or “religion?”

71. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

I have now dubbed John McCain “McSurgey”.

72. bayprairie - 19 March 2008

bruce dixon at BAR

Obama’s Multiracial Coalition and the Politics of Racial Reconciliation

But the common and ordinary wisdom of Black America is inadmissible in mainstream US discourse. In the reality-defying bubble of US corporate media, one does not speak of the genocide and dispossession of Native Americans as “terror”. Comparing the atomic bombings of hundreds of thousands of civilians in World War 2, the snuffing out of two million Vietnamese lives in the sixties and seventies or one million plus Iraqis in the current war is, in mainstream media, strictly off-limits. And any suggestion that US imperial policies in the Middle East, Africa or elsewhere might provoke resistance or retaliation is deemed beyond-the-pale anti-American hate speech.

the foundation of Barack Obama’s electoral strategy is reliance upon a base of voters in black America who are motivated by a nationalistic desire to see one of their own in the White House, no matter what his beliefs. This black vote can be safely and permanently taken for granted, leaving Obama free to do and say whatever it takes to win white votes.

Accordingly, to preserve his standing among white and Republican voters who imagine him as the “post-racial” candidate, Obama has for the past week sought to distance himself from his pastor of twenty years….


Our “stalwart ally”, as Barack called Israel, is in fact a murderous apartheid regime in which Arab “citizens” are forbidden from owning land in most of the country, where their marriages are not recognized by the state, where Arabs are issued different license plates so their cars can be profiled from a distance, and many other indignities. And those are Arabs with Israeli citizenship. Palestinians, the owners of the land only two generation ago, are still experiencing wholesale confiscation of their remaining land and assets, penned up into Gaza and the West Bank, humiliated, starved and murdered at will by Israeli armed forces and death squads. Obama knows these to be facts, and at earlier points in his political career would show up at Palestinian events in Chicago. But the political game he has chosen to play, and the allies he has chose to play it with require a selective memory.

And just as Ronald Reagan was seldom able to complete a speech on race without a reference to fictional Cadillac-driving welfare queens, Barack Obama was unable to make a speech on race without a gratuitous and pandering reference to the alleged shortcomings of black fathers. Is this what a black candidate must do to prove they are not “stuck” in the sixties? Is this how a “multiracial coalition” is built?

73. marisacat - 19 March 2008

Thanks for the BAR link, they did not publish last week so I am glad they managed to publish this week.

Off to read.

74. marisacat - 19 March 2008

well.. thsi is Glen Ford’s close:

Barak Obama thinks he can talk his way out of the confluence of American racism and an American religion that is saturated with racist doctrines and celebrations. It is an impossible task – but one that will keep the talking heads dumbly bobbing in imitation of thought.

75. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

Obama knows these to be facts, and at earlier points in his political career would show up at Palestinian events in Chicago. But the political game he has chosen to play, and the allies he has chose to play it with require a selective memory.

That’s why I see no difference in any of these candidates’ foreign policies. It’s all US/Israel centric from which everything else is measured. Very little talk of “peace” – only volumes on how to manage the ME.

Someone wrote on their blog today that McSurgey campaigns in Israel like it’s just another US state. No doubt. Meanwhile, Israeli journalists have been busy at papers like Ha’aretz (which is the only one I read almost daily) pumping up the case for Obama. They already know where Hillary stands over there.

Same shit, different parties. It’s all very discouraging.

76. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 March 2008

That Lenin’s Tomb excerpt is spot on.

77. XP - 19 March 2008

I really had no problem with the speech. Personally, I didn’t think it was all that where people will be speaking about it for generations to come. It is like I told my father, those who support Obama will love it and those who didn’t won’t.

Jeff Greenfield and Frank Lutz were on CBS News and there were asked did Obama accomplish what he set out to do; both agreed with each other and said no. Sure Lutz is a right wing spin master, however, Lutz’s criticism was pretty interesting. He said that the text of the speech was good, but the delivery of the speech was the problem – i.e., not looking directly at the teevee camera and the speech was an overkill on Wright.

78. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 March 2008

Holy crap Melvin. That makes O’Reilly and Buchanan sound like civil rights marchers.

79. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 March 2008

investors are unwilling to believe such a rebound was indicative of the economy’s soundness.

The money dumps by the Fed are made to help insiders finance the movement of the assets to safer harbors before the bottom falls out, IMHO. That’s all …

Meanwhile I got the IRS notice in the mail today that a few hundred bucks is coming in a few months. Wonder how much that cost?

80. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 March 2008

FBI mortgage probe examining 17 large firms

WASHINGTON, March 18 (Reuters) – The FBI’s criminal probe of the mortgage lending industry has grown to 17 firms, involves large companies, and could take years to conclude, bureau officials said on Tuesday in a Reuters interview.

The investigation now involves 17 firms, up from 16 previously acknowledged, the officials said.

“The corporate fraud cases are pretty large entities,” said Neil Power, economic crimes unit chief of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s financial crimes section. “The majority I would think we’re looking at years.”
Power declined to comment when asked if the FBI was looking into the collapse of Bear Stearns, which led to an emergency sale to JPMorgan Chase last weekend. However, he said, “common sense would indicate that we would look at something that big.”

The hundreds of FBI agents taking part in the probe are looking at issues including all phases of the process of securitizing loans, insider trading and whether firms properly disclosed the value of their assets.
Corporate employees ranging from senior executives to lower-level management were under scrutiny, an official said.

The officials described widespread opportunities for fraud in the industry, which can all be traced back to human greed, and to lax documentation in loan applications, which allowed for loans based on false values or income.
“The problem is that banks weren’t doing their due diligence,” Power said.
The FBI disclosed in January that it was investigating 14 firms in its probe of the mortgage-lending industry, where a foreclosure crisis has spread from subprime lenders to the housing market overall, shaken Wall Street and major financial institutions, and threatened the U.S. economy with recession.

The FBI later raised the number of targets to 16. That has since grown to 17, Power said, but the number changes as investigations open and close. Asked if the number would grow, he said “yes,” but declined further characterization and said the probes were in preliminary stages.

81. Madman in the Marketplace - 19 March 2008
82. Miss Devore - 19 March 2008

80. look at Gergen’s recent assertion that Hillary had so much trouble with NAFTA–and they were at the same event. Priceless:


83. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

80. They’ve got 2 unnamed sources. Whoopee. That reminds me of the Obama/NAFTA story which began with unnamed sources as well.

84. Miss Devore - 19 March 2008

Hillary praised NAFTA in Living History–2003-where she was under no constraints of being First Lady.

85. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

Too late to fend off the Obamalamamania over Hillary’s records but, as the NYT says tries to remind people:

The dry records carry all the emotional punch of a factory worker’s time card, showing where she was for much of her eight years in the White House but telling nothing about what she was saying, thinking or doing.

The records that will spawn a thousand gotcha blog posts.

86. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008
87. bayprairie - 19 March 2008

man all those hillary operatives are gonna be crushed.

this wont play well in PA.

reuters picked it up. and its going out on their wire.

88. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

Omar Khadr says U.S. interrogators threatened rape

The treatment of this child soldier is one of the most appalling and gut-wrenchingly sick sagas I’ve ever had the displeasure to follow. Words just fail sometimes.

89. XP - 19 March 2008

I thought I read somewhere that the only reason she put on a pro-NAFTA face what that she was under constraints by the President handler that she and anti-NAFTA needed to come off as a united front.

Truthfully, NAFTA is a tricky thing because while Obama was mouthing off anti-NAFTA in Ohio, his message was not well received in South Texas, which actually did benefit from NAFTA. Border towns that were dead, suddenly prospered and became one the fastest growing cities in the US. There are numerous studies that say the same thing. I am pretty sure, the Clinton camp will dig that out again.

The Obama camp will try to make an issue of since the latest tracking polls are showing that Wright didn’t help him. The reality is, both candidates are forced to walk a very fine line. But like catnip said, all these released records will do will spawn a thousand gotcha blog posts. Honesty, I don’t see anything will come of it.

Is it April 22 yet?

90. XP - 19 March 2008

Forget NAFTA and racism in America, that is soooo yesterday. Oh yeah, it was yesterday.

ABC decided it was more important to report about the day Hillary Was in White House on ’Stained Blue Dress’ Day.

91. melvin - 19 March 2008

88 — Americans just can’t seem to understand that just because they would rather change the channel and think of more pleasant things, the Muslim world won’t forget for a good fifty years that America is is a country that officially condones the rape of children.

God damn America seems far too mild at times.

92. bayprairie - 19 March 2008

someone at a dallas morning news blog is rich. as in denise rich.

So many pages, so little time

93. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

90. Hmmm…I couldn’t find any “Stained Blue Dress Day” cards on Hallmark’s site. I thought for sure they’d be in this category for “don’t stand by your man” wimmen to send to each other.

94. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008

Stop the presses (or alert KO or something), Gorby’s a Christian.

95. marisacat - 19 March 2008

Supposedly, the story goes, Gorby’s grandmother secretly baptised him.

Off to read…

96. melvin - 19 March 2008

94 —

The tomb of St Francis is a pretty cool place to come out. (Although, as my sister would say, did say, “What exactly do you think you are coming out of?”)

97. melvin - 19 March 2008
98. cad - 19 March 2008

What a sad carcass DK has become. Now anybody that supports HRC is a troll and sock-puppet. This is how Markos and his blind flock help Obama lose.

One word Pathetic (0 / 0)

So , I’m a Black Male 43 married living in Northern Ca. I’m an HRC supporter (not connected to her or her campaign). And I find it pathetic that some on the left have taken to using Ring wing tactics to drown out disenting voices.

What happened to you??

by ggymrat32 on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 03:20:09 PM PDT

99. liberalcatnip - 19 March 2008
100. melvin - 20 March 2008

98 Inevitable given that the owner has no principle but self-aggrandizement, and isn’t even very clever about that.

101. Miss Devore - 20 March 2008

some followers of St. Francis were considered heretics. It was thought he out-Jesused Jesus.

102. Hair Club for Men - 20 March 2008

Ummm no, you’re not.

It’s not even about the Daily Kos.

It’s about electoral politics here in the United States and the delusions that you can have any influence through either one of the two mainstream parties.

I will say that Joshua Frank nails the issue here. Obama is expanding the voter rolls and participation in the process and that’s what’s making the corporate press nervous.


The Republican establishment certainly deems Obama a serious threat. Not for the reasons Raimondo notes, however. The neocons fear Obama because of his grassroots support, not his “antiwar views”. Simply put: Obama is not antiwar but his following seems to be.

The Obama campaign is about containment as is the Daily Kos.

103. Hair Club for Men - 20 March 2008

An interesting crackup going on in the anti-Ron Paul “anti-racist” community.


They’re outing one another left and right and accusing one another of working with both white supremacists and the federal government.

And the problem with Ron Paul seems to be the same problem with Jeremiah Wright.

I listen to talk radio and when the Ron Paul people call in and host tries and talks to them about the flaws in his message they don’t seem to get it. Like when Ron Paul blamed America for 9/11.

There’s so much crossover between the extreme left and extreme right in some of these groups its mind boggling.

But I first became a bit suspicisious when they started photographing people at Columbia back in September who were protesting against the war fever against Iran and trying to publish their personal info on the web.

104. Hair Club for Men - 20 March 2008

Re the Anti-War movement.

People will (rightfully) complain about the corporate media ignoring Winter Soldier.

But will anybody state the obvious.

There was a staggering lack of ability to mount a presence on the fifth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq.

Will anybody in Code Pink or UFPJ or Answer or any of the anti-war groups have the honesty to come out and say “dude where’s my movement”?

105. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 March 2008
106. NYCO - 20 March 2008

There was a staggering lack of ability to mount a presence on the fifth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq.

My city has a not insignificant peace group presence (the Syracuse Peace Council is one of the oldest such groups in the country, dating to pre WW2) and they had probably their biggest protest in years downtown (meaning maybe about 100 people). Ages of people arrested for blocking traffic: 46, 39, 53, 85, 78, 22, 61, 21, 88 (a Berrigan), 71, 63, 72, 95 (in a wheelchair!), 62, 63, 24, 54, 56, 37, 25, 58, 23.

You get the picture. I mean, this is a college town. College kids just don’t give a crap – maybe they give a crap about the war, but they continue to show little interest in street demonstrations. If they were being drafted, they’d care.

107. Hair Club for Men - 20 March 2008

Ages of people arrested for blocking traffic: 46, 39, 53, 85, 78, 22, 61, 21, 88 (a Berrigan), 71, 63, 72, 95 (in a wheelchair!), 62, 63, 24, 54, 56, 37, 25, 58, 23.

Same in NYC. Nothing but the Granny Peace Brigade. The major anti-war groups have to come to terms with the fact that tying themselves to the Democrats killed the anti-war movement.

108. marisacat - 20 March 2008

well… I am not checking th epolice logs but in films of the day long demonstrations here I saw a range of ages. Plus the day was very controlled, well planned from what I saw and heard..

The film of people who chaimed themselves to the Fed Building, none I saw looked over 30.

Of course we are generally written off out here as nuts on teh edge of the nation. God knows why.

109. marisacat - 20 March 2008

Of course someone threw a Molotov cocktail (or so the reports are saying) at the Chinese consulate this am.

This would relate to Tibet. or the Games. Or that the torch is going to come thru here.

Hell it was likely Spielberg or Mia. Such entrenched foes of the Great Yellow Satan. Or the Red Satan.

110. Hair Club for Men - 20 March 2008

I simply don’t know enough about Tibet to make an intelligent comment on it. I’m sure it’s not as black and white as the trendoid Hollywood Buddhists make it out to be. But I doubt it’s coming from the US government either since they just took China off the human rights shit list.

111. AlanSmithee - 20 March 2008

Ages of people arrested for blocking traffic: 46, 39, 53…

Same here. In the red middle of blue Minnesota, most antiwar protesters are my age or older.

However, I’d say it was the Dems who killed the antiwar movement, rather than vice-versa.

112. marisacat - 20 March 2008

new thread



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