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Rubber hip boots. Goggles. Lobster bib to the waist. Little plastic rain kerchief. Asbestos umbrella. 27 March 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Lie Down Fall Down Dems, U.S. Senate.


          Prunes… that is what all three are.  Prunes.

Suitably attired… I think if we hold hands so no one drowns… we are safe to go to the National Review Online and Geraghty on Obama in Pennyslvania.  Or not in PA, as it happens.

 When the Democrats, one half of the Eternal Government, start drooling what I call Liberal Sugar, I ran fast to the righties. 

If, as current polls predict, Barack Obama loses Pennsylvania by a double-digit margin on April 22, the truly ominous omen will not be the loss itself, but his campaign’s catastrophic inability to tailor its message to vital demographics.

Since the numbers for the Ohio and Texas primaries came in, the entire political world has known [but the Democrats are working hard to keep it hidden… still jamming that glass slipper on his foot!  — Mcat] that Obama had to improve his numbers among the white working class, particularly union members, Catholics, and seniors. (Obama has similar problems among Hispanics, but they aren’t likely to be a key demographic in Pennsylvania.)

There simply aren’t enough blacks, young voters, and latte liberals to build a successful coalition for a Democratic candidate in a general election.

Sad, but true!

[Pollster and political science professor G. Terry] Madonna [of Franklin & Marshall College in Lancaster] points to the Obama campaign’s recent $330,000 television advertising buy in the Philadelphia market, spread over six affiliates.

 One ad‘s message was about Obama’s efforts on ethics reform and his refusal to allow “special interests” to run his campaign or his White House.

Another ad features Republican Illinois state lawmakers praising his negotiation skills and bipartisanship.

The third, a 60-second, heavily biographical ad, mentions workers laid off by steel plants, and tax cuts, health care, and helping veterans, but ends with a note of standing up to “narrow interests” out to “capture the agenda in Washington.”

“Pennsylvania wouldn’t be on anybody’s list of top-ten reformist states,” Madonna notes. “It didn’t strike me as a terribly moving issue, or making a connection with people. It wasn’t a bad introductory note, but it wasn’t the most effective. He’s going to need something else. There’s this theme of ‘change,’ well, change is change. He’s still giving these very rhetorical, generalized talks that sound good but don’t have enough specifics attached to them.”

hmm mm.  Big air ad war in Texas too.  4 pt loss… but listed at his site (on the map) as a win. (Counting delegates before they hatch.  Or roost.)  GMAFB!  I have read reliably that had he won TX by a single point (not delegates, which are like tp on sale at Safeway!) that much rumored 50 Super Dels were ready to move to him..  Think of the trauma that night.  They did seem to expect to win.

Don’t worry!  I have been reading John Morgan (who is still a Democrat and neutral in the race) at PA Progressive as well. And i know he is heading to PA on Friday for the 6 day bus tour.  Probably something about the elephants and the Alps is why he is running late…

 Obama Bus Tour Begins Friday

And I am sure Sully has sent him a perfumed note, on lovely rag paper, asking that he please try to look less aloof.  But those glass slippers pinch.  They really do.

Here is a real cry with some stress in it, from Morgan:

[P]ennsylvania was an opportunity for Barack Obama to end the nomination process, wrap things up and heal the Party.  He has elected not to do so for whatever reasons he and brain trust have concluded.

Why is it that each time he seems to have Sen. Clinton on the ropes he is unable to deliver the knockout punch?   What does this say about his prospects against John McCain this fall?

Now, there is a real opening.  If Obama can clench his teeth and do something with it:  Bosnia (No-Sniper-Gate).  HOWEVER!  Almost two weeks ago, Duffy and Tumulty covered it in Time, weak squeaks from Obama (I realise he was a little busy).  The Time report was even buttessed by a report on Bosnia in Bostom.com.  Still weak squeaks.

Buck up Boyo. I just heard his speech in NC from yesterday, a rather passive call for the camps to get on with it.  Then do!   It is always disconcerting when they flag, appear not to have fire in the belly or go to the Caribbean.  No really.  I mean that.  Don’t do it.  Slog on.  Between Texas and Ohio he has spent three days in Pa (I got that from John Morgan).  Not enough!

Two days after Morgan’s post, a contributor at Pa Progressive who supports Obama weighed in:

[T]o date how many open events has Clinton done in PA? 3, 4…5?

How many open events has Obama done to date?  ZERO

Is it any wonder the point spread has risen from 6 to 15? I repeat…..DUH!!!!

I want to see the man and his campaign fighting for the state. I am truly not seeing that.

No doubt the campaigns have different strategies, I would expect that. The Clinton campaign seems to have a clear strategy to go after the big states with lots of electoral college votes that can win her the election. She wants to use those wins to swing super-delegates to her side and gain the nomination based on her ability to garner those states during the general election. That is a fair strategy and so far it’s worked pretty well.

The Obama camp seems to have a strategy based around winning lots of states and the popular vote hoping to swing super-delegates to his side based on wide support across the country. That too is a fair strategy and it too has worked pretty well.

I truly believe Obama had an opportunity to stop the Clinton camp dead in their tracks by winning Pennsylvania and now I see Plouffe saying Obama would try to do “as well as he can” here and people wonder why I’m a little irked????? I would bet that Clinton would not have recovered from a loss in PA.

How do you expect me to react to that statement after not seeing the man do a single open event in the past two weeks and allowing his number to drop from 6 to 15 points down?

Bring on the flaming but take a moment and explain how I’m interpreting Plouffe’s statement incorrectly? Explain why Obama has not done ANY open events in PA in the past 2 weeks.  ::snip::

She may be a horror (and she is) but he is weak.  Very worrisome – or it would be if it was not a Chinese puzzle game, by now….  But I have to say, after watching this bag of bones faking it as a party … so richly deserved.


last, StupidAsshole dropped off a link to his diary about attending a small dinner for Cindy Sheehan.  I have not made it over there yet to read, but am about to:

Here’s my report from a fundraising dinner I attended last night for Cindy Sheehan’s campaign to unseat Pelosi: LINK




1. NYCO - 27 March 2008

“Pentagon Calls Iraq Fighting a Good Sign” – what is this, Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber?

“Suppurating pus! Gangrene! That’s a good sign!”

2. marisacat - 27 March 2008

hmm I vote for “sucking wounds”.

3. marisacat - 27 March 2008

hmm i just caught a sniggle of a report, inbetween ablutions for the not quite 3000 year old Cali Cat….

Obama to give a speech at Cooper Hewitt this am? And for whatever reason notable that Bloomberg will attend…?

Off to google.

4. Hair Club for Men - 27 March 2008

“Pentagon Calls Iraq Fighting a Good Sign” – what is this, Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber?

Do we know? Who’s behind this upsurge of fighting? The Maliki government trying to wipe out the Sadrists in anticipation of passing the oil law? Or the Sadrists trying to put the oil law out of reach of the Maliki government for good?

Try, btw, explaining to someone who doesn’t follow the issue that the US puppets in Iraq are pro-Iranian and the Sadrists are less pro-Iranian and watch the denial and disbelief kick in.

5. marisacat - 27 March 2008

Here we go… a special for the Super Dels.

DRIVING THE DAY: Mayor BLOOMBERG will introduce Senator Obama when he gives his major speech on the economy this morning at Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art. Sure to cause a dream-ticket ruckus, that little news flash surfaced on HIZZONER’S public schedule.

6. JJB - 27 March 2008

moiv, no. 101, the previous thread,

As it happens, my wife and my son are direct descendents of both John and John Quincy Adams. I won’t even begin to try to figure out how many greats have to be put in front of the word “grandfather” to accurately show how many generations removed they are. Whoever that Kossack is, I hope she’s as distant a relative as possible. If it were up to her illustrious ancestor, she wouldn’t have the vote, and her husband probably wouldn’t either. His contempt for almost all of the people all of the time was one of his most noteworthy character traits. JQ wasn’t exactly attuned to vox populi either, but his post-presidential career as an abolitionist Congresscritter was truly noble.

This McClatchy story details the bloodbath that is being caused by Maliki’s offensive against Muqtada al-Sadr’s militias. It also makes the point that he is taking a huge gamble with this action, and that his extremely silly (the best thing you can call it) ultimatum that al-Sadr’s fighters lay down their arms in 72 hours has been matched by one from factions of the militias to attack targets such as oil refineries, power stations, and government institutions within 24 hours if Maliki doesn’t meet their demands. In other words, the militias may to this point have held back the full force of their power.

OTOH, this NY Times story suggests the Iraqi “government” may already have hit as hard as it’s capable of hitting:

An assault by thousands of Iraqi soldiers and police officers to regain control of the southern port city of Basra stalled Wednesday as Shiite militiamen in the Mahdi Army fought daylong hit-and-run battles and refused to withdraw from the neighborhoods that form their base of power there.


During a briefing in Baghdad on Wednesday, a British military official said that of the nearly 30,000 Iraqi security forces involved in the assault, almost 16,000 were Basra police forces, which have long been suspected of being infiltrated by the same militias the assault was intended to root out.


. . . [T]he Mahdi fighters seemed to hold their ground. Witnesses said that from the worn, closely packed brick buildings of one Mahdi stronghold, the Hayaniya neighborhood, Mahdi fighters fired mortars, rocket-propelled grenades, automatic weapons and sniper rifles at seemingly helpless Iraqi Army units pinned on a main road outside, their armored vehicles unable to enter the narrow streets.


There were also deadly clashes in Diwaniya, Hilla and Amara, and the booms of rocket fire rattled Baghdad all day. The American military said in a statement that 16 rockets had been fired into the fortified Green Zone alone, wounding one American soldier, two American civilians and an Iraqi Army soldier.

But it was in Basra where the fighting was by far the most intense, and terrified residents huddled inside their houses for a second day because of a curfew and because anyone on the streets risked being killed.

A Basra newspaper editor who asked that his name not be used for fear of reprisals said most residents despised the Mahdi Army and welcomed the assault. But he said it was obvious that the central government had not consulted with local commanders in planning the assault, citing the inability of the armored vehicles to fit through city streets. But support for the assault already seems to be eroding in several neighborhoods, as militiamen retained control of their strongholds and residents were confined in their homes. “The Mahdi Army is still controlling most of these places,” the editor said. “The result is negative.”

Those last words make a splendid epitaph for the whole obscene enterprise that is the Iraq War.

7. Hair Club for Men - 27 March 2008
8. JJB - 27 March 2008

James Wolcott touches on the subject of whether or not Bush will attack Iran before leaving office. He quotes some passages from William S. Lind’s recent piece at Antiwar.com, including this point:

Lots of people in Washington are pondering possible consequences of an air and missile assault on Iran, but few if any have thought about this one. The American military’s endless “we’re the greatest” propaganda has convinced most people that the U.S. armed forces cannot be beaten in the field. They are the last in a long line of armies that could not be beaten, until they were.

That’s an excellent point, but does not go far enough. Most of what I’ve read on a possible American air assault on Iran takes for granted that low-grade nuclear “bunkerbuster” bombs will be used. Whether or not this is the case, bombing a nuclear facility risks spreading huge clouds of radioactive waste over territory occupied almost exclusively by Muslims. Can you think of a better way to guarantee that numbers of Muslims will be radicalized by this to want to respond in kind? Moreover, this will be seen as an attack on Shia Islaim in particular. It’s generally overlooked in discussion of Pakistan that there are a substantial number of Shiites in that country. Whether any of them hold positions of influence in the army or security services, I don’t know, but given that Pakistan has nuclear weapons, it isn’t hard to imagine a scenario in which an enraged Shiite exploits his connections with militant groups such as al-Qaeda and the Taliban to arrange for them to receive a weapon that would be detonated in an American city.

Anyway, that’s my nightmare scenario concerning unanticpated (by BushCo.) consequences of an attack on Iran.

9. JJB - 27 March 2008

Forgot the links in the last post. Here is Wolcott, and here is Lind.

10. JJB - 27 March 2008

One of two posts might be in Moderation.

11. Miss Devore - 27 March 2008

“A spokesman for the Baghdad security plan, Tahsin al-Sheikhly, was kidnapped from his Baghdad home by armed men on Thursday, security officials told AFP.”

12. Hair Club for Men - 27 March 2008

Lots of people in Washington are pondering possible consequences of an air and missile assault on Iran, but few if any have thought about this one. The American military’s endless “we’re the greatest” propaganda has convinced most people that the U.S. armed forces cannot be beaten in the field. They are the last in a long line of armies that could not be beaten, until they were.

Of course if the United States bombs Iran, the US military isn’t meeting the Iranians “in the field” so I’m assuming Wolcott is implying that US losses will come in Iraq at the hands of the Sadrists.

And this isn’t an army facing an army. It’s a first world army of a government which faces absolutely no political constraints at home vs. a potential insurgency.

13. NYCO - 27 March 2008

I’m related to (gasp) some Clinton voters! Even worse, in my distant past I have some Republican blood.

14. JJB - 27 March 2008

no. 12,

That quote if from Lind, not Wolcott, and Lind does in fact anticipate that the Iranian Army will cross into Iraq and fight the US forces there. I find that unlikely, they’ll probably just use Iraqi proxies to fight American forces.

15. Hair Club for Men - 27 March 2008

That quote if from Lind, not Wolcott, and Lind does in fact anticipate that the Iranian Army will cross into Iraq and fight the US forces there. I find that unlikely, they’ll probably just use Iraqi proxies to fight American forces.

I think the ace that Bush has in the whole is the almost perfect propagandistic control the US government has over the American people.

I read Alistair Horne’s “A Savage War of Peace” a few months ago and I had to make a continual effort to remind myself that yes domestic opposition was a serious variable DeGualle had to take into account.

It’s just not here.

16. JJB - 27 March 2008

“Paging Mr. Orwell, Mr. George Orwell!!!”

Pentagon Says New Iraq Fighting Arises From Surge’s Success

Yes, and 9/11 was symptomatic of the great success of our Middle Eastern policies of the previous 55 years.

17. Hair Club for Men - 27 March 2008

In fact, I’m gruesomely pessimistic enough to think that even if the fallout from a nuclear attack on Iran started effecting US troops in Iraq, evan that would cause little domestic opposition.

Discussion of it might even be labeled a conspiracy theory and banned from the Daily Kos.

18. Hair Club for Men - 27 March 2008

Of course if Maliki can’t subdue the Sadrists by himself and they have to call in US and British troops (which start taking casualties) it will help Obama in the general election so Bush could push Maliki into shutting down the offensive until after November 8th.

19. Miss Devore - 27 March 2008

16. condi is again, like she did with lebanon, comparing it to “birth pangs.” apparently the New Middle East is going to be one fucking ugly baby.

20. JJB - 27 March 2008

Juan Cole reports that the Mahdi Army has seized control of Kut. That placename means nothing to Americans, but if it’s being reported in Britain, it’s doubtless inspiring some very gloomy memories of one of the British Army’s most infamous disasters.

21. Hair Club for Men - 27 March 2008

Every day is Waco in Iraq.

At least 60 people were killed and wounded when the MNF helicopters bombed the neighborhoods of al Askari and Nadir in Babil province south of Baghdad, the spokesman the Iraqi police in Babil province Muthanna Ahmed said. The MNF couldn’t mmediately confirm the strike. ‘

22. NYCO - 27 March 2008

19. Ever see the horror movie It’s Alive?

23. Hair Club for Men - 27 March 2008

Ever see the horror movie It’s Alive?

Ever see the British movie “Threads”?


24. Miss Devore - 27 March 2008

bush is now giving a speech on progress in Iraq-where he unbelievably claims electricity generation surpasses pre-war levels, and says that if we retreat from Iraq, there will be chaos and violence.

25. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

Pentagon Says New Iraq Fighting Arises From Surge’s Success

No need to wonder what Cheney was doing on his little trip to the region.

The Guardian:

One of southern Iraq’s two main oil export pipelines was also severely damaged in a bomb attack, officials said today.

The bombing of the pipeline, seven miles south of Basra, immediately caused oil prices to rise by more than a dollar, though officials gave varying accounts of how supply would be affected.

“This morning, saboteurs blew up the pipeline transporting crude from [the] Zubair 1 [oil plant] by placing bombs beneath it,” an oil company official said.

“Crude exports will be greatly affected because this is one of two main pipelines transporting crude to the southern terminals. We will lose about a third of crude exported through Basra.”

The official said it would take three days to repair the damage if security could be provided for workers.

But officials in Baghdad were optimistic that the damage could be contained and production returned to normal within a day.

Iraq exported 1.54m barrels of crude per day from Basra in February.

26. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008
27. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008
28. Miss Devore - 27 March 2008

CNN is breaking that a US govt. employee was killed in the green zone today.

I can’t find a transcript of bush “surge success” speech anywhere….

29. diane - 27 March 2008

Odd about Obama in PA, maybe there’s fear of the emotions that might come out of the larger cities with such significant, and repressed, black populations? Maybe Obama, his wife, or his children, had an ominous nightmare about a large campaign there?

Pittsburgh is still a place where white people in the suburbs find themselves embarressed and uncertain, sometimes apologetic, when they find themselves in a nice restaraunt owned by someone black.

On the other hand, San Diego, California is also a place where there’s a likelyhood of of eye aversion when two different races find themselves forced to make eye contact walking down the street…

And then again, count the number of Blacks (and Hispanics) on the roster of Silicon Valley’s, publicly traded, and up and coming IPOs…..Ahhhh but that shining Cali Sun, makes it so much easier to deal with abuse….

(oh..and wu, yeah how could I forget Dianne’s Boy, but hmmmmm looks like Momma may not be through yet, in which case she would give Boyo a nasty Golden Grizzlie swat)

30. marisacat - 27 March 2008

Whitehouse.gov had the speech.

31. marisacat - 27 March 2008

from the speech:

Four thousand of our finest citizens have sacrificed their lives in this mission. Every one of them was loved. Every one is missed. And we thank God for the gift of these brave Americans

— and we ask Him to comfort their families. Every one of them will be honored throughout our history. But the best way to honor the fallen is to complete the mission, and lay the foundation of peace. (Applause.)

All those who serve on the front lines of this struggle, this ideological struggle, this confrontation against those who murder innocent men, women and children to achieve their political objectives, are patriots who are upholding the highest ideals of our country. Many of them are airmen — and women. They’re adding to the tradition of the great aviators honored by this museum, and of others known to us as family, friends, neighbors — or in my case, Dad.

32. Miss Devore - 27 March 2008

30. thanks-I looked there earlier and couldn’t find.

What caused the demise of those snappy little accordion-pleated rain kerchiefs?

33. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

Supplier Under Scrutiny on Aging Arms for Afghans

Since 2006, when the insurgency in Afghanistan sharply intensified, the Afghan government has been dependent on American logistics and military support in the war against Al Qaeda and the Taliban.

But to arm the Afghan forces that it hopes will lead this fight, the American military has relied since early last year on a fledgling company led by a 22-year-old man whose vice president was a licensed masseur.

With the award last January of a federal contract worth as much as nearly $300 million, the company, AEY Inc., which operates out of an unmarked office in Miami Beach, became the main supplier of munitions to Afghanistan’s army and police forces.

Since then, the company has provided ammunition that is more than 40 years old and in decomposing packaging, according to an examination of the munitions by The New York Times and interviews with American and Afghan officials. Much of the ammunition comes from the aging stockpiles of the old Communist bloc, including stockpiles that the State Department and NATO have determined to be unreliable and obsolete, and have spent millions of dollars to have destroyed.

In purchasing munitions, the contractor has also worked with middlemen and a shell company on a federal list of entities suspected of illegal arms trafficking.

Moreover, tens of millions of the rifle and machine-gun cartridges were manufactured in China, making their procurement a possible violation of American law. The company’s president, Efraim E. Diveroli, was also secretly recorded in a conversation that suggested corruption in his company’s purchase of more than 100 million aging rounds in Albania, according to audio files of the conversation.

This week, after repeated inquiries about AEY’s performance by The Times, the Army suspended the company from any future federal contracting, citing shipments of Chinese ammunition and claiming that Mr. Diveroli misled the Army by saying the munitions were Hungarian.

Mr. Diveroli, reached by telephone, said he was unaware of the action. The Army planned to notify his company by certified mail on Thursday, according to internal correspondence provided by a military official.

But problems with the ammunition were evident last fall in places like Nawa, Afghanistan, an outpost near the Pakistani border, where an Afghan lieutenant colonel surveyed the rifle cartridges on his police station’s dirty floor. Soon after arriving there, the cardboard boxes had split open and their contents spilled out, revealing ammunition manufactured in China in 1966.

(part of a long NYT story)


34. marisacat - 27 March 2008


San Diego is a very strange place. There are days there when it feels like the old South.

35. diane - 27 March 2008

33 that’s cause it is….

and the only reason they have any black population at all appears to be the enormous naval base…

36. lucid - 27 March 2008

this ideological struggle, this confrontation against those who murder innocent men, women and children to achieve their political objectives

I take it that he’s referring to the US here… oh, wait.

37. lucid - 27 March 2008

Never been to SD. Have never had any desire to go, though at some point in my life, I wouldn’t mind doing a tour of the rural south… something about those Faulkner novels makes me want to visit Mississippi.

38. marisacat - 27 March 2008


yeah agree… and part of it is the extensive presence of mil and retired mil.

I don’t know it well, but in the 90s I went twice a year for 5 years to Tijuana to buy my mother’s prescriptions. I could get about 1,500- 1,800 dollars worth for about 400.00.

I would fly into SD, stay right by the trolley to the border.

One day I was having lunch before going to the airport, in the lobby of that hotel with the green lights outlining each tower. And it just struck me, like Macon Georgia in the 50s.

39. diane - 27 March 2008

Thought you were talkin about one of the Dakotas Hon (37) …

Pierre (sic, ND?) has a rather nasty rep linked to a really ugly murder in Stanford “Chapel”

Mucho cheese cake to Miss beautiful purple cat plant, yes, who the Fock is AEY?

40. diane - 27 March 2008

Marisa, I wish I felt safe extending an invite to have a blast at some side street dive….if there are, in fact miracles…my sappy side…says there are….we’ll meet in person before one of us loses their physical bodies…

if not, what the fock…. death is a mysterious term….

41. NYCO - 27 March 2008

I spent a week in Mississippi (Vicksburg) and wouldn’t care to go back. Too culturally different. That was 20 years ago so it’s probably different now, but I always felt like I was being watched, sized up, especially when I opened my mouth to talk, or when the NY license plate was seen. My cousins had moved down there and five years later when we visited, they had been so changed and molded by it.

Spent a week in Tennessee (and driving through the whole state west to east, often on secondary roads, which not many casual travelers do) and felt much more comfortable although it was decidedly different from home there as well. I’m sure TN has changed a great deal.

On the same trip we drove across Alabama and managed to see absolutely nothing. The entire interstate system there was completely lined by tall, impenetrable thickets of trees. It was like being in a tunnel.

I was last in San Diego in 1978 (just a couple weeks after the awful PSA crash there) and just mainly remember La Jolla beach.

42. diane - 27 March 2008

“fock” in my limited book….belongs to a most powerful dark hued woman from New Orleans area who decided to give up the ghost recently, and have a fricken blast haunting those who remain…..

43. diane - 27 March 2008


I’m finding I don’t want to revist any geographic location other than those where I know I can sniff out a familiar scent (mine? or am I noone?) whose bold enough…when drunk…to welcome me…

44. melvin - 27 March 2008

32 — I was fascinated with those as a child. The kind my mother had could be folded up into a little pack about the size of a book of matches.

45. diane - 27 March 2008


that’s because you never had to iron them…..

hate to be so bleak, but try ironing those suckers….

46. diane - 27 March 2008

mr. rabbit, mr. rabbit………… your teeth are mighty long……


47. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

Saigon revisited? The State dept. is telling Baghdad embassy officials to stay indoors. Incoming!

48. marisacat - 27 March 2008


LOL and if you dropped them into water they unfolded to a flower.

… soemthing like that…


49. diane - 27 March 2008

hang on tight ….hang on tight is all we can ever do….

ahhh but….

why am I unable to describe
I got down on my bendin knees and

I began to pray…..

the leaves, the leaves, the leaves….they’re brown

and the sky….it’s grey

50. diane - 27 March 2008

Why am I unable to do that yet some creepy userper, naming itself the fellowship (OF BULLIES) usurps the intent

it tends me to a mute silence

51. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

Thousands in Baghdad Protest Basra Assault

All hell…or more hell is breaking out over there. But, never forget, war is peace.

52. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

Mucho cheese cake to Miss beautiful purple cat plant, yes, who the Fock is AEY?

Thank you. 🙂

And who the fock knows?? From now on, AEY will be known as “busted”.

53. melvin - 27 March 2008

Fasten your seatbelts. Fitna has been released.

Liveleak version

54. melvin - 27 March 2008

It begins.

Welcome, and thank you for visiting LiveLeak.com. Due to an increase in traffic and targetted hacking attacks, we have had to disable certain features.

55. marisacat - 27 March 2008

Maybe the Green Zone can establish Sister City formalities with Sderot.

56. JJB - 27 March 2008

liberalcatnip, no. 26,

The British were said to be “comfortable” with Lt-Gen Mohan’s plans to combat the militias in Basra some time in the summer after suitable conditions had been established.

Last week, Lt-Gen Mohan was in Baghdad, putting forward his case for establishing security in Basra before taking on the Shia militias. As well as additional resources and securing the Iranian border, it would have involved Mr Maliki announcing a weapons amnesty for the militias in June, possibly lasting as long as six weeks, as opposed to the 72 hours given when the offensive began on Tuesday.

Well, it’s hard to believe the plan General Mohan had devised would have worked out anyway. Britain has no excuse for this sort of naive behavior, since they know full well how difficult it is to subjugate this particular region of the Muslim world.

BTW, all talk of “securing the Iranian border” is ludicrous, the Basra region is full of marshes which have been a highway for trafficking contraband for many, many centuries. Making our own border with Mexico impenetrable would be a snap in comparison.

57. Miss Devore - 27 March 2008

54. I was able to view it.

58. melvin - 27 March 2008

57 Ya I was too. No great revelations, but it doesn’t take much. I wonder if just the fact that it’s out there will stir up another firestorm. It is obviously being seen by a lot of folks. The Dutch version is on youtube already.

59. diane - 27 March 2008

Hmmm, live leak? isn’t that why someone along the way decided there ought to be a private rooms where folks could take a whizzz?

Don’t mean to pick on anyone, (Melvin ;0) )but that viewing wasn’t very instructive….

who the fock cares if they’re Dutch? roll the skin back and it’s all the same color anyway.

60. diane - 27 March 2008


that was unfair of me,

yet the the bleak side of me says a site like that will be used a repository for mean humor and perhaps a trap to collect data on those who actually do have significant truths to share,

perhaps I should keep my big mouth shut.

61. JJB - 27 March 2008

Amazingly frank article about Iraq in the Times of London (referenced by Glenn Greenwald):

Areas of Baghdad fall to militias as Iraqi Army falters in Basra

Iraq’s Prime Minister was staring into the abyss today after his operation to crush militia strongholds in Basra stalled, members of his own security forces defected and district after district of his own capital fell to Shia militia gunmen.

With the threat of a civil war looming in the south, Nouri al-Maliki’s police chief in Basra narrowly escaped assassination in the crucial port city, while in Baghdad, the spokesman for the Iraqi side of the US military surge was kidnapped by gunmen and his house burnt to the ground.

Saboteurs also blew up one of Iraq’s two main oil pipelines from Basra, cutting at least a third of the exports from the city which provides 80 per cent of government revenue, a clear sign that the militias — who siphon significant sums off the oil smuggling trade — would not stop at mere insurrection.


The most secure area of the capital, Karrada, was placed under curfew amid fears the Mahdi Army of Hojetoleslam Moqtada al-Sadr could launch an assault on the residence of Abdelaziz al-Hakim, the head of a powerful rival Shia governing party.

While the Mahdi Army has not officially renounced its six-month ceasefire . . on the ground its fighters were chasing police and soldiers from their positions across Baghdad.

Rockets from Sadr City slammed into the governmental Green Zone compound in the city centre, killing one person and wounding several more.

Mr al-Maliki has gambled everything on the success of Operation Saulat al-Fursan, or Charge of the Knights, to sweep illegal militias out of Basra.


In Baghdad, the Mahdi Army took over neighbourhood after neighbourhood, some amid heavy fighting, others without firing a shot.

In New Baghdad, militiamen simply ordered the police to leave their checkpoints: the officers complied en masse and the guerrillas stepped out of the shadows to take over their checkpoints.

Greenwald also notes that war pimp/moron Fred Kagan declared three days ago that the Iraq civil war was over.

62. diane - 27 March 2008

but then again, maybe I shouldn’t question my instincts, found underneath the list of videos:

Meet Sexy Ladies
New Video Community
Sexy Dating – Meet Girls
Meet Hotties! ”

Love for sale….

Errol Garner (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) played the hell out of that tune….

63. melvin - 27 March 2008

Check the series on American deserters in Canada

64. melvin - 27 March 2008

Check the series on American deserters in Canada, or any number of the videos on Iran.

As for the ads, they are at least less offensive than Chevron etc.

65. marisacat - 27 March 2008

I’m calling for a mud wrestle. MoveOn, a paid arm of the party supporting Jesus, LOL is fighting back agaisnt the donors’ letter to Nancy.

I nominate purged surrogates to battle it out. In a mud pit. LOL

Seems NRO The Corner has the story before the Leftischer sleepy heads.


The letter, in my book, is tit for tat for the moves made on BLACK Super Dels post SC. Join us or look bad in Church on Sunday. How’d that work out for you?

Leverage gets used in Politics. Wow what a concept.

Plus end of the day, a shit load of authoritarian center rights screweing each other over.

66. cad - 27 March 2008

Ah, the chevron-pimping libertarian democrat makes fun of gravel:

“Next up are the Constitution, Communist, Independence, Natural Law, Reform, and Workers World Parties. They all want a piece of Gravelmentum, and apparently there’s plenty to go around!”

Markos is of course always for sale to the highest advertiser.

67. diane - 27 March 2008

will do, but no, the ads, “women are soulless toys/commodities” are not less offensive than Chevron ads.

I’m reminded of that military move with Penn and Fox…

re an adolescent vietnamese farm girl…unintended consequences and all that….of needin a little lovin…

it’s a guy thang?

we all fall down

68. marisacat - 27 March 2008

TPM EC doesn’t have it… too busy trying to explain away the new Pew poll…

off to keep hunting.

69. diane - 27 March 2008


movie, not move.

70. marisacat - 27 March 2008

Ben Smith on MoveOn letter

71. melvin - 27 March 2008

women are soulless toys/commodities

Okay I clicked two. Both are to friendfinder type sites, where women and men put in their wants, etc and meet, hookup, whatever they do. I couldn’t care less. Unappealing to me, so I don’t go there.

72. JJB - 27 March 2008

Just saw this in a NY Times story I linked to earlier today, it escaped my notice earlier (maybe it was added in an update):

Col. Abbas al-Tamimi, media officer for the 14th Iraqi Army Division operating in the city, said he expected the fighting to escalate. “The gunmen have heavier and more sophisticated weapons than we have,” he said.

This is doubtless because we don’t dare give the Iraqi security forces the same weapons our own soldiers carry because we’re afraid they’ll use that weaponry against us.

I’m sure they’ll try to blame this on the Iranians, just as they do with everything else.

73. JJB - 27 March 2008

I think several comments of mine may be in Moderation.

74. diane - 27 March 2008

Don’t feel bad JJB, I think several of my comments are lingering around in Hell

to embarress me at the end of my days when all I want to do is to be buried in my PJs…………..

75. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

I’m sure they’ll try to blame this on the Iranians, just as they do with everything else.

Which may be the point of all of this anyway.

76. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 March 2008


77. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 March 2008

woo hoo! WordPress likes me (again), it really, REALLY likes me!

78. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

77. Good to see you, Sally. 😉

79. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 March 2008

Mr al-Maliki has gambled everything on the success of Operation Saulat al-Fursan, or Charge of the Knights, to sweep illegal militias out of Basra.

I think he decided he had to take that gamble b/c the Sadrists were likely to do quite well in the upcoming elections. I also think his “army” is gonna collapse.

80. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 March 2008

re: 78

Madman jumps up on his desk holding a “Green” sign over his head … falls off and breaks hip on futon arm

81. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 March 2008


In any case, those like myself who said not simply that the invasion of Iraq would fail to achieve either its stated or its actual goals, but that it must fail to achieve them, were not arguing from some universalist principal of incompetence, but rather from the rich recent history of commensurate projects and their innate tendency to fail. Indeed, one of the most common charges levelled against war opponents by jingoes was that our historical analogizing was irrelevant. “Iraq is not Vietnam.” “Iraq is not Algeria.” “Iraq is not Afghanistan and the Soviets.” Etc. And of course, Iraq turned out to be all of those things, and more–it could no more be otherwise than I could fly by flapping my arms. The people supporting invasion and occupation were the ones proposing that Iraq would be a single, vastly distant historical outlier, totally devoid of precedent or context, and those who thought that the mere incompetence of the administration, or its untrustworthiness, were substantive arguments against invading were almost universally people who wished (and still wish) to hedge their bets just in case it all worked out. McArdle says that only this latter sort are worth talking to because they were right for the right reasons, but the opposite is true.

People who supported the invasion of Iraq were fatuous, bloodthirsty, ahistorical, immoral, politically naive, callous, unthinking, reprehensible morons–to the man. The proper attitude is contrition, silence, and contemplation. Making a gaudy spectacle of having “supported” something so awful, even if only to show how smart you were to change your mind when you noticed things going south, is disgusting.

82. glingle - 27 March 2008

Jerome Aarmstrong to join London Mayoral Lib Dem candidates team.

Jerome Armstrong to Join Paddicks Mayoral Campaign?

FYI Paddick has NO chance of winning.

I’m going to the Netherlands on Sunday but feel that bulbfields are not really prime terrorist targets.

[I fixed the link! -Mcat]

83. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

The man is truly delusional:

Speaking at a US Air Force museum in Dayton, Ohio, Mr Bush said “normalcy” was returning to Iraq.

84. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 March 2008
85. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 March 2008

Do you feel safe yet? Woman told to remove nipple rings for SoCal flight

I feel sorry for someone wearing a Prince Albert.

86. wilfred - 27 March 2008

#82 To Bush the equation reads More FUBAR = Normalcy

87. Hair Club for Men - 27 March 2008

I think he decided he had to take that gamble b/c the Sadrists were likely to do quite well in the upcoming elections. I also think his “army” is gonna collapse.

It strikes me that NOW until November is a good time for the Sadrists to get aggressive and try to get position on Maliki as well as a bad time for Maliki to start an offensive.

If (when) McCain wins in November, there’s going to be a massive escalation in Iraq but, until then, Bush will hold off risking too many US casualties in order not to help Obama or Hillary in the general election.

Does anybody remember the first battle of Fallujah and the second. As soon as Bush won in November, they went into Falluajah with everything they had.

On the other hand, they might be testing the waters, pushing Maliki into getting aggressive to get a measure of what Sadr has, a sort of reconaissance misssion before they take him out the second week of 11/2008.

88. marisacat - 27 March 2008

Sorry JJB

– I hd found only one hiding in Spam or Moderation… (and then fell asleep for an hour or so)

– And I did just find Glingle in Spam, got her out. Up at comment 82. One of the Boyz goes International. Gah!

– And I see Madman is free of the curse… he was falling to Spam every single comment for about three days.

SO SORRY for WP’s filters.

89. marisacat - 27 March 2008


The insurgents get a vote. Every election year.

And yes, Nov 04, Bush gave the mil a traditional Thanksgiving killing.

90. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 March 2008
91. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

glingle’s link doesn’t work.

92. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008
93. marisacat - 27 March 2008


if you go to the main page

it is there:


=^..^= … and i will fix her link… sorry

94. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

danke schoen

95. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

Looks like Carville has named names:

JAMES CARVILLE, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, I just — my phone has been ringing off the hook with people, major, like, donors in the Democratic Party, telling me that he made representations to them that were not true. I’m obviously not at liberty to say their names, but their initials are Elizabeth Bagley, Haim Saban, Alan Patricof. People like that, who are very, very senior people, who Governor Richardson was not candid with.

There are many other people that tell me the same thing. And I will allow their initials out at some future date.

I think what the governor needs to do is say that he hadn’t handled this very well and was not candid and frank with people, and I think this whole thing will go away. But I think he owes a lot of people in this party an apology.

KING: Help me a second, quickly. What did he do?

CARVILLE: He made misrepresentations. He told people that he was going to endorse Senator Clinton, that he couldn’t endorse someone else, and then at the same time apparently he was — he was doing something else, and people are justifiably and understandably furious about this.

And by the way, I have never attacked any other supporter of Senator Obama. Many of them are dear friends of mine. Some of them are some of my best friends. I thought that this was an exceptional case that merited special consideration.

96. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008
97. marisacat - 27 March 2008


what a hoot! line up the chariots!

98. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

lol…I was going to say, ‘sound the trumpets!’

99. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

Oh – so after Hillary was tarred and feathered for saying this: Obama would have left if Wright stayed.

WASHINGTON – White House hopeful Barack Obama suggests he would have left his Chicago church had his longtime pastor, whose fiery anti-American comments about U.S. foreign policy and race relations threatened Obama’s campaign, not stepped down.

“Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn’t have felt comfortable staying at the church,” Obama said Thursday during a taping of the ABC talk show, “The View.” The interview will be broadcast Friday.

Someone stop my head from spinning, please.

100. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008


Barack Rodham Obama might have quit his church if Rev. Wright had stayed on. Once again, on the tough issues, Obama votes, “Present.”

Democratic Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois taped an appearance that will be aired on “The View” on Friday morning, AP reported.

Obama’s latest position on the hateful, race-baiting sermons of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright: “Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn’t have felt comfortable staying at the church.”

1: Had he not retired.

2: Had he not acknowledged that what he said offended people.

2a: And said remarks were inappropriate.

2b: And said remarks mischaracterized a flawed nation.

Then 3: “I wouldn’t have felt comfortable staying at the church.”

Even then he cannot bring himself to leave the church.

This is hilarious.

The man has a banana in his ear. And he won’t admit it, let alone remove it.

You feel uncomfortable in a church when you are wearing wool on a hot day in the summer.

You run the hell out of said church when it is on fire.

I’m going to love that 3 AM call to the White House.

He may answer it.

Or maybe he will not feel comfortable.

101. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

Okay. I’m the first to admit not only my poor memory but also the fact that my mind has turned into mush trying to follow the Dem circus, but when did Wright say this?

had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people

102. marisacat - 27 March 2008

I think Obama wishes he had, what other people want I have no idea…. The response was the Easter Sunday service at TUCC.

I am not sure where all of this lands.

103. melvin - 27 March 2008

Does this mean he won’t be onstage with Whoopi, Joy, and the two idiots?

104. marisacat - 27 March 2008

hmm from what I read he is on The View for the full hour.

That has to be wrong, I cannot imagine him staying for the full show. mind nnnnummmbbbing.

105. melvin - 27 March 2008

104 But mind numbing for whom?

It would be interesting if he were on for the hour – Elizabeth Whatsherditz’s head might finally explode. If she and the other moron would shut up, it would actually be interesting just to see what questions Whoopi asked.

106. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

The View preview. (article)

107. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008
108. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

Barbra Walters to Obama: “Maybe we shouldn’t say this, but we thought you were very sexy looking.” (wherein he fans himself – really)

Cue the flying panties.

109. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

2 View links in moderation.

110. marisacat - 27 March 2008

oh I plan to watch. And sometimes when something big has come down I try to catch the first 10 mins of the show, but increasingly it seems much more scripted, or at least energy-drained.

It seems like we get more of Obama spitting up long strands of spaghetti about the parson.

Not too interesting. And another script.

111. melvin - 27 March 2008

Exactly. The first ten minutes, sometimes. Then forget it.

112. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

I think I’ll spend the morning looking for religious figures on my toast.

113. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

Iraqi spokesman kidnapped in Baghdad

An Interior Ministry official says the civilian spokesman for the Baghdad security operation has been kidnapped and three bodyguards killed.

Tahseen Sheikhly is a Sunni who often appeared with U.S. military and embassy officials at news conferences to tout the successes of the crackdown that began in Baghdad and surrounding areas more than a year ago.

The official says gunmen stormed Sheikhly’s house Thursday in a Mahdi Army stronghold in southeastern Baghdad and torched it. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to release the information.

Yeah. Well I guess that’s “normalcy”.

114. liberalcatnip - 27 March 2008

Anti-war campaigners have to change electoral tactics – Naomi Klein and Jeremy Scahill.

115. liberalcatnip - 28 March 2008
116. lucid - 28 March 2008

Completely OT

Sorry kids, I need to vent.

A little over a month ago, we signed on with a major label producer. He’s doing a bang up job, as an engineer. And he’s making some suggestions that make us sound, well, more ‘tolerable’.

In all of our sessions, there has always been a bit of inbred tension, because I am the writer of these songs & I’ve also always been the producer & engineer [and you’ve heard some of them]. And heads butt, like the testosterone festivities of a good moose mating season, but until today I’ve tried to play passive man.

But today, the littlest of things, me playing a chromatic riff between a whole note change, which sent him for a loop, released all of the rage I’ve felt in the last weeks of recording. He soloed the line against the bass and said – ‘that’s wrong’. I replied listen to the entire line & it is more than right – it is exactly what needs to be there. After all, chromatic notes have been the failsafe in all good blues, jazz, R&B and even classical for at least a century! He just soloed the D flat against the C again and again, as if he was proving a point. I kept saying, ‘listen to the goddamned line’. In the end, I just played him the riff without the D flat and he was happy – and now that entire line sucks.

It doesn’t show foresight. It doesn’t show the movement the song requires. It sounds like cardboard.

This only begins the dissertation on his determination to break up all organic lines and prevent the guitar from being a rhythm instrument…

He just wants the guitar to come in when it should [in a pop mix], rather than letting the guitar become what it should be in some real music.

When I do something he doesn’t like, I suggest a precedent – an MBV here, a Hendrix there, a Pink Floyd or a Crimson on the spot. Maybe some Page harmonies. I think he wants us to sound like the most generic band I can name. Can you name a good major label artist post 2000 or so?

And then on top of that, he wants me to chuck the entire style of playing I’ve developed and cultivated and made my sound [mind you, the only thing I own in my life] because it is too rhythmic, too percussive as a guitar.

My first and most important guitar influence was Ritchie Havens. Yeah I play shit bordering on metal today, but the strumming and accents of someone like Ritchie are how I play. I never learned to play like… oh that;s right, there are no guitar gods anymore, so why the fuck should I emulate any of crap played now?

For Christ’s sake, downstroking every chord!!! That means you are a really bad guitarist that has no rhythm but have practiced the shit out of one song.

And that is how music should be made now? Maybe given the refusal of our culture to acknowledge culture.

Sorry… This has been a mini nightmare for me theses last two weeks, when I thought it could be a godsend.

117. melvin - 28 March 2008

112 Genius!

Just cut out the middlemen and have the Universal Church of Toast.

118. marisacat - 28 March 2008

Don’t say sorry… loved the post…

it doesn’t not sound like there is a work around for this problem however.


119. liberalcatnip - 28 March 2008

116. That sucks, lucid. Don’t let him suck the soul right out of you. ((((hugs))))

120. marisacat - 28 March 2008

Jesus popping up.

The latest on our local news was an image of Jesus on a shower stall shelf. CLEARLY it was the residue of dirt and soap from the bottom of a bottle set on the shelf.

Nooooooo… it’s Jeeeeeeeeesuhs!

121. liberalcatnip - 28 March 2008

Just cut out the middlemen and have the Universal Church of Toast.

Crumbs of wisdom for the masses (served with peanut butter).

122. liberalcatnip - 28 March 2008

Somebody needs to adjust the rabbit ears in space. My CNN feed just dropped – again.

123. liberalcatnip - 28 March 2008

Of course, it could be aliens trying to hijack the channel for a special announcement, so I guess I should stay tuned. Fire up the popcorn!

124. liberalcatnip - 28 March 2008

Then again, maybe I’ve been Left Behind. Parteh!!!

125. lucid - 28 March 2008

The latest on our local news was an image of Jesus on a shower stall shelf. CLEARLY it was the residue of dirt and soap from the bottom of a bottle set on the shelf.

Well, historically speaking, that would pretty much encapsulate the Gospels.

126. lucid - 28 March 2008

Of course, it could be aliens trying to hijack the channel for a special announcement, so I guess I should stay tuned. Fire up the popcorn!

You and me both… I await first contact with open arms. It’ll be the only thing that could possibly make us realize that we live on the same fucking planet and because of that we are equal.

No Kant tonight, just wishing people understood it at a more basic level.

127. marisacat - 28 March 2008

LOL lucid

that gave me a laugh.

128. marisacat - 28 March 2008


yes that is the great fear for the authoritarian governments and entities.. that we might get it that we are one.

Even if -LOL- we are not ‘the ones we have been waiting for…’

I am very fascinated that people are willing to buy the message from a politician.

wooo hoo.

129. liberalcatnip - 28 March 2008

Sadly, only Lou Dobbs’ face showed up on my teevee screen (and he did not announce that space aliens had crossed the border from Mexico). Bummer.

130. liberalcatnip - 28 March 2008

I’m not the one I’ve been waiting for. I don’t look anything like Brad Pitt!

131. lucid - 28 March 2008

I’m not the one I’ve been waiting for. I don’t look anything like Brad Pitt!

But in my wildest dreams I look like the baby briber… 😉

132. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 March 2008

And that is how music should be made now? Maybe given the refusal of our culture to acknowledge culture.

sadly, that is exactly how it is made today, along with a lot of other creative things.

133. NYCO - 28 March 2008

What cracks me up: I fully expect to see images in toast treated seriously on the nightly news soon, if it hasn’t been done already. Contrast this to ABC’s 20 second snippet last night about the 1860 “Au Clair de la Lune” recording, where Charlie Gibson all but smirked as he said, “Well, we’ll take their word for it” (that it’s a human voice singing a song).

134. Hair Club for Men - 28 March 2008

It seems to me that they’re going to try to support Maliki with air strikes and limited ground troops up until November 8th in order to avoid US casualties.


What it will mean, of course, it more Iraqi casualties and a further degredation of the USA’s image in Iraq (if that’s possible). So the more they depend on air strikes, the more they’ll have to go in hard with everything they have after McCain wins.

Or so it seems to me.

135. wilfred - 28 March 2008

Obama on the View now. Elizabeth got her little moment, she so sets my teeth on edge.

So far he’s doing very well with the audience. Mostly softballs though, what else can you expect on this show.

136. marisacat - 28 March 2008

nu thred



137. marisacat - 28 March 2008


comes on in an hour from now…

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