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Thread 20 April 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

Red Pope - Francis Bacon

Francis Bacon’s Red Pope, I think from 1962… anyway here is a link with lots of his Popes

Seems to be a good time to make use of Bacon and his lens… his platform and cage without bars…




1. diane - 20 April 2008

On a personal level, an abundance of red always reminds me of violence (abundant red isn’t that common in nature either, that I’ve seen), consequently when religious leaders cloak themselves in red, it unsettles me.

I notice it’s far more common to find performance stages backlit with red and restaraunts/night spots painted entirely red than it seemed to be previously. I don’t understand how people calmly chat or enjoy among all that red, it particularly makes caucasions look ghastly and ill to me.

2. diane - 20 April 2008

goodnight all……..

3. marisacat - 20 April 2008

Thomas Frank weighs in on that SF incident, the one the Dems rushed to use his book to explain. I read something from Ehrenreich in the aftermath and she opened with a recounting of begging Frank to write something.

I don’t think she will like this much. I don’t think he is for either of the Dem party swanks. Both of whom, imo, are pro trade deals that shit on American workers. And I think Frank caught that slither in the original [supposedly oiffending] quotes. …

4. wu ming - 21 April 2008

of course it’s to late to do much about it, but anyone in nor cal who still has plants outside might want to bring the tender ones it. freeze warning for the north coast, marin and napa.

5. wu ming - 21 April 2008

speaking of priests, former bishop and current center-left president-elect fernando lugo just ended the right’s 61-year grip on paraguay.

so that leaves colombia as the sole right wing regime in south america, unless i’m forgetting one. wonder if this will mess with bush’s new paraguay ranch.

6. liberalcatnip - 21 April 2008
7. liberalcatnip - 21 April 2008

One for the road:

“There are times when one would like to hang the whole human race, and finish the farce.”
– Mark Twain

8. Heather-Rose Ryan - 21 April 2008

Why I’ll probably vote for Obama: because he’s the best of a bad lot and better than McCain.

If there were a viable third-party candidate I’d vote for him/her, but it doesn’t look like there’s going to be one anytime soon.

9. marisacat - 21 April 2008

I will tell the thread something. I put up what interests me. Others may do so as well.

I never ran this site as so many small sites are run. some chosen topic and threads that must conform. Perhaps no one noticed or it did not register, but people can post here, as they wish and not even bother to read what I post, in the blog text or in comments.

I have never in my life proselytised, attempted to change anyone’s vote. I have said repeatedly that Obama should win, obviously I say that not for idealistic reasons but for pragmatism. All of the people in love with him should live with the reality.

I just fall into the “Oriana Fallaci” pile, I won’t vote for any of the jokers and thus sneeze on myself. Others mileage varies.

America is moving hard and fast to prohibitionism, but not realistic regulation and proper protectionism. America is moving hard and fast to a society utterly mired in deceitful “correctness” and a world of instant show trials, denunciation and rejection. We should be sure to deny as well.

If Know-Nothings have prevailed for decades we now are entering the newly re-established era of the knee jerks.

It may not be worth observing and commenting on.

10. wilfred - 21 April 2008

#9 Good comment Marisa.
And TV especially now treats politics like another gossipy ‘reality’ show and that makes things more knee jerk than ever.

Just read that the right-wingers have a new 527 slime machine, the first of many for 2008 no doubt. By November we’ll be disgusted with the lot of them.

11. JJB - 21 April 2008


Thanks for rescuing that comment with the Counterpunch link, and giving it such prominent play.

In reading through the various comment threads re the RC Church and the Nazis, a couple of points:

The top Nazis themselves were anti-clerical, but both the Catholic and Lutheran churches were well entrenched among the population, and there was only so far the regime would go in acting against them. It should be remembered that the Nazis were always afraid their appeal was of the Miles-Wide/Inches-Deep variety, one reason they didn’t ask the population to make the kind of sacrifices the British and US governments demanded of their citizens, the memory of how hardships on the home front had helped to bring about defeat in 1918 being very fresh in their minds. Indeed, they tread very lightly with their euthanasia program (i.e., the “mercy killing” of the mentally and physically disabled) because they knew the Churches were opposed to it, and indeed clerical denunciation was a large factor in it’s being discontinued. The response of Catholics, including the clergy, was not monolithic. A number of Catholics, as well as priests/bishops/cardinals were enthusiastic Nazis (especially in Austria), many others were opposed to the regime and helped organize what little domestic resistance to it that existed. Also, at least half of the German population were not Catholic, but Protestant, with Lutheran being by far the largest denomination, and some of the most outspoken resistance to the Nazis that came from the pulpit came from the Lutheran Church, most famously from Pastor Martin Niemoller, who although a passionate nationalist and conservative (with anti-Semitic opinions), was a staunch opponent of the Nazification of the Protestant churches.

My feeling about Ratzi is that he was an enthusiastic Nazi, and while he obviously couldn’t have done very much having been so young, I believe the extent of his participation in whatever activities he took part in has been covered up, and a more-or-less anti-Nazi past invented for himself and his father. No one with his background should ever have been so much as considered for the Papacy, but then this is an institution that has given the world such pontiffs as Alexander VI, who held orgies in the Vatican, and Julius II, who spent much of his papacy at the head of plundering armies. Both of these gentlemen also fathered offspring, which was very common among pre-Reformation popes. Julius was also probably bisexual, and a number of recent popes have been rumored to have been gay.

12. marisacat - 21 April 2008

And my reply to ‘slime 527s’ (are we in Casablanca) is that obama should do better. Afterall I read that Axelrod is the main spokesman, one of them,.shoved in front of cameras to say that “Mayor Daley has not done anything illegal”. Way to go.

But again, as I have stated in the past, too often, most of the time, Democrats explain themselves badly, adopt either avoidance or deer in head lights response. Or they go windsurfing and blow off shouted reporters questions. Bad in elections, which with so much money now in elections business, we will never get free. All i see is a so called Democratic base cravenly desperate to elect someone (either of them) who will not end the war, will increase the military, will expand the war on terror and will remain rock solid with israel.

I should bother? sorry, not for me.

Took me years to figure out why Democrats do so badly when pinned, either fairly or [gasp horror choke scream] unfairly…, They believe in nothing. Thus no strength. They DO believe in elections, but not the vote. A less than tidy conundrum.

Obama fell to a tic under hsi right eye in the debate. Bad news. Among other weak or evasive responses. Worse news than the debate questions themselves.

13. Heather-Rose Ryan - 21 April 2008

I noticed, MCat. And I greatly appreciate this site because of it.

14. marisacat - 21 April 2008

JJB 11

yeah I agree Ratzy was an enthusiastic Nazi youth. It is just so fitting that we get an ultra right winger, dressed in the richest of clothing from hundreds of years ago… And the Democrats will be hardly less obsequious than the R and Bush have been.

15. marisacat - 21 April 2008

Again I am not voting for her, but Hillary is going on Olberman tongiht despite his fist clenched diatribes agaisnt her. I am sure it is easy to find the text of his most clenched.

Obama, who gave his famous race speech in front an invited sympa group, unlike Jack Kennedy who went to white anti papists, clergy and others, in Texas no less for HIS, might wanna try some political courage. After all, it is the shallowest sort of courage.

16. marisacat - 21 April 2008
17. lucid - 21 April 2008

Bacon is my favorite painter, coincidentally…

18. Heather-Rose Ryan - 21 April 2008

Olbermann is annoying. He should stick to sports.

19. lucid - 21 April 2008

JJB – and don’t forget Scheler. He was the original Nazi philosopher [and extremely influential on ‘philosopher of the reich’ Heidegger]. Scheler was the Catholic philosopher of his age.

20. marisacat - 21 April 2008


yeah I love Bacon… I saw the big show at the Met in… ’75 I think.. and a couple in between. I went down to Los Angeles for the retrospective at LACM, think htat was 91.



agree.. so called liberal commentary in this country is not a breakthru, it is basically less odiferous scheisse. In that almost all of it is tied to the party.

I think the silliest (and worst) gas bag is Ed Shultz.. and i was not surprised to learn he used to b a conservative R (I realise at one time there were liberal R, but not for some time and very very few in the West, we were blessed with the Bircher / Reagan / reactionary factions) and now ES plows the somewhat ascendant Dem games.

All we really get is propaganda on the good days and demagoguery on the less good days. About it as I see it.

21. wilfred - 21 April 2008

Ugh, Cyndeeeee on The View today for the whole hour as a co-host. Not one question asked that wasn’t 100% Puff.

22. aemd - 21 April 2008

“And TV especially now treats politics like another gossipy ‘reality’ show”

And why shouldn’t they? That’s all the campaigns themselves are focusing on. Cheap shots and gotchas. I only wished, at the last debate, Georgie and Chuckie would have pulled out all the oppo crap they have gotten from the campaigns, quoted them in full, including the “return address, then asked those stupid questions.

Sure, the media has blame in allowing themselve$ to be manipulated but the campaigns are driving it and are full of shit when they stand back the pull that teary wide eyed “the big bad MSM are picking on us, sniff” crap.

23. lucid - 21 April 2008

“Not one question asked that wasn’t 100% Puff.”

You mean no one asked her how she felt when her husband called her a cunt? Quelle surprise.

24. wilfred - 21 April 2008

I will say they were a lot more confrontational with Michelle Obama. ABC is now officially Fox Jr. and NBC isn’t far behind.

25. marisacat - 21 April 2008


well Cyndi is on some good anti anxiety meds. That si my guess… In 00 she would fall to chewing her lips in public. ANd this at small living room get togethers.

Strange woman.



yeah I agree. I am tired of the whining from the candidates and surrogates. Deal with it. Beat it. Do better.

There si more “stuff” beating around the edges on Obama. To say nothing of Hillary. Obama’s big problem, one of them, is that he came from a mixed race, liberal left enclave of a big northern city. And it seems neither he nor his handlers bothered to be ready for the onslaught.

The really bad thing is I have no idea what, if anything, he believes in as a candidate.

Well, whatever. But don’t moan.

26. wilfred - 21 April 2008

Jimmy Carter says he has made a Middle East breakthrough. It will be interesting to watch the Bush Administration and Olmert kill it.

27. marisacat - 21 April 2008

I jsut saw the FP piece on Jimmy and Hamas.

As if Israel will permit anything. At all.

28. marisacat - 21 April 2008

Apparently Hillary has dropped her latest ad, “Who do you think is tough enough” that had a fleeting clip of Osama in it … I have not seen the ad. And not sure how long it ran.

Stories on it, but not a link to the ad (I don’t think) rides at the top, right, of the Josh Marshall page


29. diane - 21 April 2008

Speaking of Israel….what a cast of characters – would love to sit in on this trialRupert Murdoch Firm Goes on Trial for Alleged Tech Sabotage

30. diane - 21 April 2008

Our “Black” and “Female” candidates in a nutshellThe Sorrows of Race and Gender by Robert Jensen/Counterpunch

“….the radical analyses of the feminist and civil-rights movements — the core insights of those movements that made it possible when I was young to imagine real liberation — are no longer recognized as a part of the conversation in the dominant political culture of the United States….they have been pushed even further to the margins, almost completely out of public view.
The irony is that Clinton and Obama, who today are viable candidates because of those movements, provide such clear evidence of the death of the best hopes of those movements. Those two candidates have turned away from these compelling ideas so completely that neither speaks of patriarchy and white supremacy. These are not candidates opposing imperialism and capitalism but candidates telling us why we should believe that they can better manage the system.
these candidates offer a political ideology very different from that which animated the best of the movements that made it possible for them to run.

31. diane - 21 April 2008

Hmmm, I sniff new job opportunities for the outsourced…Hotel bed bug testers for the elite and their kids in college dorms…

32. aemd - 21 April 2008

“The really bad thing is I have no idea what, if anything, he believes in as a candidate.”

IMO, this is not by chance but a campaign choice. An empty suit can be filled with anything. Change, Hope, Compassion, Strength, anything at all. In the end, it’s just a faction fight.

“But don’t moan.”

LOL, you got it. Sweet Jesus, they’re running for ruler of the Big Bad Empire not class president.

33. cad - 21 April 2008

I get the sense that KO is broadcasting directly to DK.
And all that implies.

34. NYCO - 21 April 2008

probably already noted here but I didn’t see it:

It seems Ratzy is a cat person.


35. liberalcatnip - 21 April 2008

China seeks to ‘educate’ Tibetans

China has launched an “education” campaign in Tibet it says is designed to undermine support for the Dalai Lama and any separatist sentiment.

The Tibet Daily newspaper said the campaign was to “unify the thinking… of officials and the masses”.

Major powers never cease to try to “educate” minorities and look how well that’s turned out around the world.

36. marisacat - 21 April 2008

IMO, this is not by chance but a campaign choice — aemd

yeah I agree, because I have tried.

he apparently was on Smerconish this am, very bullish on bombing Pakistan. I looked for a text or partial, all Ben Smith offered was this:

Drones, Predators over Pakistan

In an interview with the conservative, but Obama-backing, Philadelphia-based talker Michael Smerconish, Obama returned to the tough talk about attacking terrorists inside Pakistan that he began over the summer, and got specific about the hardware he’d use.

“I have been very clear: If we see targets in Pakistan that we can take out with drone missiles and use the Predators that have been so effective, I think we’ve got to do so,” he said.

He also said he’d try to build a stronger relationship with the new government there. Asked if he would consider cutting off aid if the government doesn’t cooperate, he said, “absolutely.”

I followed the link in the text and it led to a promo page for the radio hosts carried there. I think it streamed it when it was happening.

Link to Smith/Politico

I say we send Hillary Obama and McCain, they each bomb their preference. Let them fly the damned planes.

37. Heather-Rose Ryan - 21 April 2008

33. Well, so was that evil genius Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

38. diane - 21 April 2008

Words fail me…what an evil dwarf……
Bush seeks to cement legacy of ties with Canada, Mexico
I chose New Orleans for our meetings with Mexico and Canada because I wanted to send a clear signal to the people of my country that New Orleans is open for business,” Bush said at the North American summit. “It’s a good place to visit and the after the devastation of Katrina, it’s become a hopeful city.

39. diane - 21 April 2008


hmmm maybe the quotation marks I’ve been using are why I’m having some bad luck with links

Try this link

if that doesn’t work remove the space after “http:” in the following link:

http: //ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jmKuBNlBk0kzs6GTa4n8q6–MkVQD906DUL80

40. JJB - 21 April 2008

no. 35,

Presidents used to believe in such things as plausible deniability when arranging coups d’etat, assassinations, etc. Now those seeking the Oval Office brag about how they’ll be only too happy to off anyone they think the US would be better off without. Whether Ike or JFK actively sought to murder Patrice Lumumba and Fidel Castro, they didn’t go around bragging they would do it.

no. 37,

My sister-in-law spent a week in NO last autumn with a group from her church doing what they could to rehabilitate a couple of homes. Vast sections of the city are still in ruins, and are for all intents and purposes uninhabitable. The only areas that have been properly fixed up are the ones tourists frequent. The members of the group slept on the floor in a church community center, and then walked 2 blocks to another building to take showers. I believe there were at least a couple of functioning toilets in the building where they slept.

41. diane - 21 April 2008



Good on your sister-in law and her group! There are so many things Bush Cheney et al should be in chains for…this “Election” is a fucking farce…….

(speaking of elections, I have one in spam after comment 29)

42. marisacat - 21 April 2008

One thing church groups and youth groups and some college students on spring break HAVE done is go to NO for the really hard work. Little enough credit for it…

agree on “plausible deniability”… now it is advertised, they all do it. Hillary at the debate at Howard promised to “blow the Sudanese pilots out of the sky”. The media reported cheers. I was listening, there were indeed cheers but there were also audible boos.

They also pull the ‘God Bless America’ mess. The whole thing is a decades long “mission creep” from National Prayer Breakfast, one nation ‘UNDER GOD’ and so on. Thru anti communism to now feral and rabid anti foreign terrorism.

Or whatever pathology we are living thru.

43. marisacat - 21 April 2008


Just found diane in spam file… comment is up thread at #30…

44. marisacat - 21 April 2008

Democracy NoW did a segment on Aime Cesaire… here is a tidbit:

[F]rench President Nicolas Sarkozy led thousands of mourners at an official state funeral Sunday for Cesaire in Martinique. But in 2005 Cesaire had refused to meet Sarkozy because of a new law Sarkozy had proposed emphasizing the positive legacy of French colonialism.

Cesaire’s use of culture to fight colonialism and racism influenced generations of activists and writers around the world. Fellow Martiniquan author and revolutionary Frantz Fanon considered Cesaire to be his mentor. ::spin::

45. Hair Club for Men - 21 April 2008

Speaking of Democracy Now


And a prominent pro-Palestinian activist in Texas has died after drowning in a lake. Riad Hamad was the founder of the Palestine Children’s Welfare Fund and raised millions of dollars through his organization for schools, charitable organizations and hospitals. Local police say Hamad was found gagged and bound in the lake. While police say he likely committed suicide, questions have been raised over his death. Prior to his death, Hamad had been under FBI surveillance. In late February, FBI and IRS agents raided his office and seized forty boxes of tax returns and other documents. No charges were filed at the time, but investigators claimed they had probable cause to investigate wire fraud, bank fraud and money laundering. Riad Hamad was fifty-five years old.

46. marisacat - 21 April 2008

moiv sent me local links to the story of the drowning. Really, hardly an question it looks like murder.

47. moiv - 21 April 2008


Local TV news reported that the woman who first called 911 said that the “body was wrapped in duct tape.”

Austin Police Sergeant Joseph Chacon confirms the man was bound with duct tape.

“The bindings, although I cannot go into them extensively, it’s possible that he could have done them to himself,” Chacon says.

“We have not ruled out that foul play might be involved. However, we have no indication right now that that is the case.”

No indication at all …

48. marisacat - 21 April 2008

I love a country dedicated to electioneering … brings out the best in everybody. Sort of like power itself.

*[new] If this goes beyond tomorrow, (0.00 / 0)

I will make it my mission to remind everyone it was Hillary Clinton who gave Reno her marching orders to burn babies and innocent children in Waco.

She did that shit, and the press is not talking about it.

by pinche tejano @ Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 13:57:26 PM PDT
[ Respond to this Idiocy

God forbid the American people EVER look at themselves. Til then it is Nixon or Reagan or Carter or Bill or HIllary or whoever comes next… after Bush, who of course did everything alone.

49. Hair Club for Men - 21 April 2008

moiv sent me local links to the story of the drowning. Really, hardly an question it looks like murder.

There has to be something missing from the Democracy Now headline. I can’t imagine they’d let that pass without comment unless some intern just stuck it up without thinking and Amy just read it off on autopilot.

50. lucid - 21 April 2008

“The bindings, although I cannot go into them extensively, it’s possible that he could have done them to himself,” Chacon says.

How exactly does one bind one’s own hands in duct tape tightly enough that one’s self-instinct for survival would not kick in an break free of the duct tape while drowning?

51. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 April 2008

my ex (we’re still really good friend, btw) got really upset w/ me when I dragged her through a Bacon exhibition at MOMA years ago. Standing in front of the Screaming Pope was frakkin’ amazing. Powerful stuff.

52. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 April 2008

How exactly does one bind one’s own hands in duct tape tightly enough that one’s self-instinct for survival would not kick in an break free of the duct tape while drowning?

The same way a woman kills herself with the handcuffs restraining her in a holding cell …

53. lucid - 21 April 2008

MitM – I think I came accross Bacon pretty late in life [maybe 18, or so], but from the first time I saw prints of his paintings, his depiction of corporeality hit me more deeply than any other painter before or since. I haven’t had the opportunity to see a very full collection – only what MOMA has on permanant display – which is maybe 4 paintings – and the various small collections held by other east coast museums. But when I was in college I almost always had a Bacon collection checked out of the library, if anything just to get stoned and lose myself in the images.

54. marisacat - 21 April 2008

The big Bacon exhibit at the Met in ’75 (think it was then) was wonderful. About 12 or 15 of his big paintings framed in substantial gold leaf frames. It was very evocative of Italian paintings of a size and era. Stunning show.

The LA Co Museum show in 91 was broader, all sizes and range of media, not all paintings. Not well hung but still wonderful. And some from the Met show still in their original frames.

55. aemd - 21 April 2008

A short IOZ post on the PA primary. 😎

Change You Can Reprieve In

56. marisacat - 21 April 2008

That is a hoot… if it matters to IOZ Barack gets out of Dodge first. Hillary is spending election night in Scranton (I think) in PA anyway. Then on to Indiana for both of them.

57. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 April 2008

I saw the small show MOMA did in the ’90s. It was in a gallery downstairs, focused mostly on the Popes. Stunning stuff.

I didn’t discover him until I was older still than you were, and I have my ex to thank for my interest (and limited understanding) in art. One thing we like to laugh about is going to see the biopic Edvard Munch at the student center. They had a bad print, and a worse projector, and every time the movie would start to get really intense the film would start to melt. For some reason, this memory is really, really funny. She explained to me WHY “any child could paint that” was wrong, what Picasso was doing when he painted women so that I could see both sides of their faces.

58. diane - 21 April 2008


My favorite in the linked selection is Study after Velazquez’s Portrait of Pope Innocent X 1953. I’d love to see that in a gold leaf frame.

59. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 April 2008

Four Sketches from Gitmo

LInks to all four are in that post. Follow the links there to get the whole story.

60. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 April 2008

José Can You See? Bush’s Trojan Taco

The second reason Bush has kept this major summit a virtual secret is its real agenda – and the real agenda-makers. The names and faces of the guys who called the meeting must remain as far out of camera range as possible: The North American Competitiveness Council.

Never heard of The Council? Well, maybe you’ve heard of the counsellors: the chief executives of Wal-Mart, Chevron Oil, Lockheed-Martin and 27 other multinational masters of the corporate universe.

And why did the landlords of our continent order our presidents to a three-nation pajama party? Their agenda is “harmonization.”

Harmonization has nothing to do with singing in fifths like Simon and Garfunkel.

Harmonization means making rules and regulations the same in all three countries. Or, more specifically, watering down rules – on health, safety, labor rights, oil drilling, polluting and so on – in other words, any regulations that get between The Council members and their profits.

Take for example, pesticides. Wal-Mart and agri-business don’t want to reduce the legal amount of poison allowed in what you eat. Solution: “harmonize” US and Canadian pesticide standards to Mexico’s.

Can they do that? Can Bush just say, “Eat your peas – even if they’re radioactive”? Under NAFTA, at least the way George Bush reads it (or has it read to him), he can.

When the three chiefs of state meet privately with the thirty corporate chiefs, they are also expected to erase a bit more of our borders. Technically, they will expand the “NAFTA Highway” – which is, in addition to lots of new blacktop, a set of regulations governing transcontinental shipment. Some fear NAFTA Highway expansion will allow a new flood of cheap Mexican products into the US and Canada. Not so. The Council’s hunger to widen the NAFTA highway is to bring in even cheaper Chinese goods.

61. marisacat - 21 April 2008

America is Dump City.

62. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 April 2008

Great post on hip hop:

Unfortunately folks like Mr. Williams don’t seem to be aware of hip hop’s true face. They don’t seem to realize that the rap they’re talking about — usually gangsta rap — is produced by companies that have made their money selling a fantasy of black urban culture to mostly middle-class suburban white kids. They don’t seem to care that sales in this category of hip hop are plummeting precisely for that reason — because the culture that created hip hop moved on to smarter things long ago, and even the suburban white kids are getting bored after nearly 20 years of the same old shit. As a fad, crap rap’s time is passing.

And the Mr. Williams of the world seem completely oblivious to the origins of the hip hop they hate so much. I’m referring in this case to the incestuous corporate media machines that power the supposed blockbusters of hip hop. For example, Black Entertainment Television is owned by Viacom. Contains no actual black people in positions of authority. (Robert Johnson doesn’t own it anymore, and even if he did, I’m not sure at what point a person switches from “black” to “sellout”.)

LOTS of good details on the interlocking webs of the music/infotainment bizness, then:

Here’s the thing. That stuff you hear on mainstream radio? The stuff that’s so “controversial” and “popular”? So outrageously misogynist and violent and cutting-edge “hard”? Is a focus-grouped artificial construct cynically produced by one hand of a giant corporation whose other hands (because there are way more than two) are simultaneously promoting said product across a vast multimedia landscape. Said promotional methods include not just ads, not just hype, but “horrified outcry” and other such blatant manipulation of the media. What really slays me is that in the end, the gangsta rappers are the last and lowest-paid of the whole pile. The only people they’re fooling with all that bling BS are white children too ignorant to realize they’re getting chumped, a few (only 29% of sales, remember) kids of color who’ll probably grow out of it, racists who just need an excuse to believe every possible black stereotype… and Mr. Williams, who really ought to know better.

So. The next time any of you out there decide, like Mr. Williams, to make some denigrating blanket statement about hip hop and its terrible, epidemic effect on the black community, please make sure it’s actually hip hop you’re talking about — the real stuff, I mean, and not the musical Frankenstein manufactured by rich old white guys in suits. You’ll sound much smarter if you do.

Excellent post.

63. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 April 2008

Tony Snow Joins CNN as Political Contributor

Former White House press secretary Tony Snow will join CNN as a conservative commentator beginning today, it was announced by Jon Klein, president of CNN/U.S. [snip]

“In the White House, Tony brought a remarkably human touch to the discussion of public policy, which he will continue to do as part of the Best Political Team on Television,” Klein said. “He will contribute a unique breadth of political and journalistic expertise to what is already the most provocative and wide-ranging political analysis on the air.”

64. marisacat - 21 April 2008

Oh here is a tidbit.. I just read on the FP of the NYT (I am sure i am behind)…. Tony Snow to join CNN.


65. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 April 2008

Scents and sensibility

This month researchers in Virginia announced that changes we’ve made to the atmosphere have begun to counteract the scent of flowers. It works like this: a flower exudes fragrance, each species with its own cocktail of aromatic chemicals evolved over millions of years to attract pollinating animals. Those aromatic chemicals encounter the Earth’s new post-industrial atmosphere. Ozone breaks them down by
oxidation. Other pollutants bond with the chemicals, changing their scent. Pollinaters have trouble finding the plants they’re looking for, and both animals and plants suffer.

66. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 April 2008

I had a link to Poynter about the Snow announcement go to SPAM, I think.

67. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 April 2008
68. marisacat - 21 April 2008

Here is a laugh…

Kalliefornia wants to tax “all things p0rnographic”, including DVDs and strip clubs … an additional 8%.

Where to begin. And the tax? Supposedly to ‘off set the bad effects of pron’.

69. liberalcatnip - 21 April 2008

North Carolina Democratic Presidential Debate CANCELLED


(Back to the couch. Had my pupils dilated during an eye exam today and they’re still sore.)

70. melvin - 21 April 2008

69 — Oh darn. Guess I’ll have to resort to the next best thing, hitting myself in the head with a sledge hammer until I lose consciousness.

71. Hair Club for Men - 21 April 2008

Oh darn. Guess I’ll have to resort to the next best thing, hitting myself in the head with a sledge hammer until I lose consciousness.

I for one was looking forward to the flag pin issue being discussed in more detail.

72. liberalcatnip - 21 April 2008

🙂 smartasses

I just stocked up on popcorn. Now I’ll have to find other uses for it.

73. diane - 21 April 2008

Route Itinerary (Harrisburg, PA to DC) for April 28th Trucker/Citizen strike in DC, if anyone is interested, or knows someone who might be.

74. melvin - 21 April 2008

Oh screw this politics shit. Come and fly over Victoria Falls. Follow the links to a full-screen version, I couldn’t embed it on SoapBlox.

75. melvin - 21 April 2008
76. melvin - 21 April 2008

I knew there had to be a reason I liked this guy:

Morales: Scrap capitalism, save the planet

Bolivian President Evo Morales has called for an end to capitalism as part of a series of radical measures “to save the planet and mankind”.

“If we really want to save the planet, we must eliminate the capitalist system,” Bolivia’s first indigenous president told delegates from around the world at the United Nations in New York.

Mr Morales argued that the capitalist system was mainly responsible for climate change and for the “accumulation of waste.”

He also railed against the development of biofuels which he said only serve to fuel “poverty and hunger” and he instead expressed strong support for clean energies.

“Biofuels are very harmful, in particular for the poor people of the world,” he later told reporters.

The leftist leader called for “respect of Mother Earth,” guaranteeing access to basic services for all and putting and end to consumerism.

“Mother Earth is not a commodity. It’s not something to buy and sell,” he said.

Yes, yes, and um, yes.

How long before they take him out?

77. melvin - 21 April 2008

This is a close as I can come so far to finding any text of Morales’ remarks in the labyrinthine UN website:

Statement by President of Bolivia

EVO MORALES AYMA, President of Bolivia, said the Forum was to be viewed as a model for “living together” and was an extension of the decades-long struggle of indigenous peoples for equality and justice. It was also appropriate that the Forum focus on climate change and the role of indigenous peoples in tackling that problem, since indigenous peoples were human beings with the same rights and responsibilities as anyone else.

He noted that the indigenous movement had successfully organized itself to defend access to land and basic services, in the face of attacks and threats of extermination. That fight should continue for as long as needed. In the meantime, the Forum, along with similar bodies, could put forward alternative economic models to ensure the survival of indigenous peoples as they continued their quest.

In the context of finding solutions to environmental issues, including climate change, he said indigenous peoples had the moral authority to participate in those discussions, having lived closely with Mother Earth and defended it for ages. Indigenous peoples in Bolivia had “achieved the Presidency”, enabling it to proceed in the fight for justice and equality. It now fell to gatherings of indigenous peoples, such as the Forum, to work with other world leaders to encourage them to play their part.

He said indigenous peoples wanted to express “how to live well” within their vision of Mother Earth, which was the source of life. Living well was not possible under the current capitalist system, which sought to turn Mother Earth into a capitalist good. The conclusion had been reached in many circles that the authorities of many places were to be blamed for encouraging climactic factors that caused harm to peoples, which had brought floods and global warming. A conversation must be held with other communities on establishing a new model for living. World leaders must encourage more contact with indigenous peoples.

He offered a series of “ten commandments” that he thought should underpin the new model, beginning with the first: a call to end the capitalist system. The capitalist system was inhuman and encouraged unbridled economic development. The exploitation of human beings and pillaging of natural resources must end, as should wars aimed at securing access to those resources. Also, the world should end the plundering of fossil fuels; excessive consumption of goods; the accumulation of waste; as well as the egoism, regionalism and thirst for earning where the pursuit of luxury was taking place at the expense of human beings. Countries of the south were heaped with external debt, when it was the ecological debt that needed paying.

Second, the world should denounce war, which brought advantage to a small few, he said. In that vein, it was time to end occupation under the pretext of “combating drugs”, such as in South America, as well as other pretexts such as searching for weapons of mass destruction. Money earmarked for war should be channeled to make reparations for damage caused to the Earth.

Third, there should be a world without imperialism, he said, where no country was dependent upon or subordinate to another. States must look for complementarity rather than engage in unfair competition with each other. Member States of the United Nations should consider the asymmetry that exists among nations and seek a way to lessen deep economic differences. Moving along those lines, he said the Security Council — with its lifelong members holding veto rights — should be democratized.

Fourth, he said access to water should be treated as a human right, and policies allowing the privatization of water should be banned. Indigenous peoples had a long experience of mobilizing themselves to uphold the right to water. He proposed that they put forth the idea of forming an international convention on water to guarantee it as a human right and to protect against its appropriation by a select few.

Fifth, he said the world should promote clean and eco-friendly energies, as well as end the wasteful use of energy. He said it was understood that fossil fuels were nearing depletion, yet those who promoted biofuels in their place were making “a serious mistake”. It was not right to set aside land not for the benefit of human beings, but so that a small few could operate luxurious vehicles. It was also because of biofuels that the price of rice and bread has risen; and the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) were now warning that such policies must be prevented. The world should explore more sustainable forms of alternative energy, such as geothermal, solar, wind and hydro-electric power.

Sixth, he said there should be more respect for Mother Earth, and the indigenous movement must bring its influence to bear in fostering that attitude. The world must stop thinking of Mother Earth in the capitalist sense — which was that of a raw material to be traded. For who could privatize or hire out his mother?

Seventh, he stressed the importance of gaining access to basic services for all. Services such as education and transport should not be the preserve of private trade.

Eighth, he urged the consumption of only what was necessary and what was produced locally. There was a need to end consumerism, waste and luxury. It was an irony that millions of dollars were being spent to combat obesity in one half of the globe, while the other was dying of hunger. He said the impending food crisis would necessarily bring an end to the free market, where countries suffering hunger were being made to export their food. There was a similar case with oil, where the priority lay in selling it abroad, rather than domestically.

Ninth, he said it was important to promote unity and diversity of economies, and that the indigenous movement should put forth a call for unity and diversity in the spirit of multilateralism.

Tenth, the world should live under the tenet of “trying to live well”, he said, but not at the expense of others.

He said the best way forward lay in social movements, such as the indigenous people’s movement, which would not fall silent until it had brought about change. He ended by greeting fellow South Americans in the room, acknowledging their role in the fight. In Bolivia, the provisions of the Declaration of Rights of Indigenous Peoples had been made into law, and he expressed hoped that other countries would do the same. He welcomed the attention, good or bad, he was receiving as a member of that movement, saying that perhaps it would lead to ideological clarity.

I might be in spammeration.

78. marisacat - 21 April 2008

Thanks for that melvin…


79. liberalcatnip - 22 April 2008

How long before they take him out?

That was my first thought too. The man is obviously a commie lunatic! I’ll bet he wears socks with his sandals.

80. liberalcatnip - 22 April 2008

Clinton on Iran Attack: ‘Obliterate Them’. Oh mon dieu. Yet people laughed about Kucinich’s department of peace. Who’s looking crazy now?

81. marisacat - 22 April 2008

nu thred………………………………


82. melvin - 22 April 2008

A palimpsest of a cartoon of a fossil of a caricature of a straw man from fifty years ago:

It’s the perfect dkos diary, and could have been written by the Imbecile of Berkeley himself. The most pitiful part is that it is probably written by someone thirty years younger than me.

I give up.

83. liberalcatnip - 22 April 2008

Gideon Levy: Like gang warfare

If the prime minister really wanted to secure quiet for the residents of the Negev; if he really wanted to achieve a significant breakthrough, Ehud Olmert would call Carter this morning and ask him about what Khaled Meshal told him. He would tell Carter that he is ready to meet with Meshal at any time, unconditionally, and in the meantime he would prepare for a mutual cease-fire in the West Bank and the Strip. Israel has nothing to fear except for the wish of gang members to avenge the loss of their comrades. One day it will happen, as it did with the PLO, and it will, in any case, be much too late.

Obviously, Olmert doesn’t have to do anything since whoever wins the WH will just make sure it’s business as usual over there.

84. liberalcatnip - 22 April 2008

82. I feel like I need a shower after that one.

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