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Slip and slide………….. 23 April 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

Ocean Beach - San Francisco - Oil Spill Days
Ocean Beach – San Francisco – Oil Spill Days

I will hunt up a link or two in a bit, but recently much was resolved in the oil spill from the Cosco Busan and the pilot, Cota. It came to light that he took, and had hidden details when re-licensed, an array of prescription meds, for sleep, anxiety and whatever else. He had numerous dings on his piloting record (a few years ago he piloted a vessel to full stop on a sand bar among other things…) and had hidden a DUI. Other ships that morning chose not to try to navigate the Bay…. and there is tape of him saying to the Chinese captain that he misread a map.

He never should have been out on the Bay with that responsibility.




1. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 April 2008

This would be worth it just to see heads explode at dkos: Third Party Run for Hillary?

Said James Carville in April: “Well, you know the convention is not the end game, folks. Now, don’t get me wrong I think Hillary Clinton will get the nomination in the end. But, if the Washintonian elites decide to throw her under the bus, who could blame her if she took this all the way to November.”

Bill has been building up McCain for months, saying McCain is a “moderate”

Certainly Hillary possesses the sense of entitlement and burn-down-the-house drive to wage such a battle.

And the Clinton’s loyalty to the Democratic Party has never been that strong. Hillary is a Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) Democrat.

Her continued presence in the race and her general-election attacks speaks clearly that she really does not care what damage she inflicts on the Democratic nominee.

Maybe Hillary does care, and wishes to subtly inflict as much damage as possible, weakening Obama for her historic third-party run facing a weakened Obama and a historically weak GOP.

Such a run would be the realization of the ultimate triangulation.

2. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 April 2008

damn … can’t blockquote today to save my life.

Good post by Kunstler on the need to rebuild rail in this country:

In other words, this region of the country has next-to-zero railroad service. Can we pause a moment here to ask: exactly how far does America have its head up its ass? Do you get the picture? Can you connect the dots? The airline industry is dying and absolutely no thought is being given to how people will get around this big country — except to make the stupid assumption that we can just drive our cars instead. Even during the several days I was around Minneapolis, no news media or politician raised the subject of reviving passenger railroad service.

In point of fact, these are exactly the kind of trips that would be better served by rail, anyway — the towns that are less than five hundred miles apart. The travel time between trains and planes would be comparable, considering the two hours or so that you have to add to every airplane trip because of all the security crap, not to mention the delays. As a matter of fact, USA today ran a front page story two days after the Delta / Northwest announcement saying “Air Trips Slowest [now than] in Past 20 Years.” Subhead: “Trend likely to persist as congestion worsens.”

One big reason for the airport congestion, of course, is that the runways are cluttered up with planes making trips of only a few hundred miles. This has been a problem for quite a while.

3. marisacat - 23 April 2008

Jake Tapper takes a very detailed look at one of the anti Obama assaults gearing up… and at the end looks at some votes of Obama’s.

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 April 2008
5. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 April 2008

Counterpunch link went to spam, I think.

6. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 April 2008
7. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 April 2008
8. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

Speaking of the death penalty, Allan Shore (James Spader) on Boston Legal last nite argued a case before the Supremes. 🙂

9. wu ming - 23 April 2008
10. diane - 23 April 2008

What can one say………..

High-Pitched Device Drives Away Teens – Civil Rights Groups Outraged, Claim Device May Cause Long-Term Health Effects


The sound was coming from a wall-mounted box, but not everyone can hear it. The device, called the Mosquito, is audible only to teens and young adults and was installed outside the building to drive away loiterers.

The gadget made its debut in the United States last year after infuriating civil liberties groups when it was first sold overseas. Already, almost 1,000 units have been sold in the U.S. and Canada, according to Daniel Santell, the North America importer of the device under the company name Kids Be Gone.
A spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union said the organization does not yet have a position on the issue. But James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University, said crowd-monitoring devices in the hands of private businesses and citizens is “dangerous.”

“There is a significant problem with giving people a tool like this and empowering the public to take over the tasks of law enforcement,” Fox said. “It can certainly be used in a way that’s inappropriate, and without a doubt it will be.”

11. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

Kids Be Gone.

There’s a similar device used to keep dogs out of yards. Both are cruel, afaic.

12. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

3. The pundits on Hardball didn’t seem to have a problem with that ad in the sense that they basically all agreed that it’s not a race-based attack – a viewpoint Tweety disagreed with.

Just another preview of what’s coming up for Obama.

13. marisacat - 23 April 2008

which ad were they discussing.??

14. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

Now it’s the media’s fault over at dkos for Obama losing PA. Puhleeze. The same media that he’s had in his back pocket? Of course, Hillary’s “racist” voters come up in the comments again.

15. marisacat - 23 April 2008

ooops sorry I see you were answering my comment (3), sorry!

16. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

13. The gang wars ad.

17. diane - 23 April 2008


Synchronicity wu, earlier today I was checking out some water rumblings…….water tidbit:

RWE [Germany] prices initial public offering of American Water


yeah, sadistic…..

18. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 April 2008
19. NYCO - 23 April 2008

Re the teen-repellent: Some kids have already figured out that they can put this sound as a ringtone on their phones… which means Teacher can’t hear when they get a phone call in class.

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 April 2008

Eddie Izzard Considering Run for Office

I can see the negotiations with Iran … Cake, or DEATH?

21. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

18. Wow.

22. marisacat - 23 April 2008

oh I’d vote for Eddie Izzard…

23. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

19. I actually learned about that watching Law & Order, I think it was. (I obviously watch too much teevee).

24. NYCO - 23 April 2008

Re rail travel: I once took a big trip around the perimeter of the country on Amtrak. In *coach* (that was very stupid, but I was trying to save money). This was maybe 15 years ago and while I love train travel, the Amtrak staff did their best to make it miserable when they could. My favorite part was going from Portland to LA in a car with no air conditioning and black garbage bags on the windows to keep out the sun (which of course, only made it hotter). Though it was fun when everyone in the car got uppity together and occupied the next car up, sitting on the floor and in the aisle. Rolling Rebellion!

Other than that I have used Amtrak a few times for the kind of city to city commute across my state that Kunstler mentioned. The tracks are in appalling condition here though and at least once a year some CSX train jumps the track or explodes. Someday this is going to happen in a populated area and it won’t be pretty.

25. diane - 23 April 2008


Learning ugly lessons from ugly adults…….are we hopeless?

26. diane - 23 April 2008


Thanks for that link Madman, yeah:

where is everybody?

surrounded by bots….

27. cad - 23 April 2008

I fantasize about travelling thru America by rail and wake up when I realize I’m in Amtrak’s neglient hands. I’ll stick to short trips fer now but I would like to try one of those boxy rooms. Anybody done that?

28. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

Carville v Richardson on Larry King.

29. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 April 2008

I’ve actually mostly had good experiences taking Amtrak over the years. I wish it was better funded.

I take the Hiawatha service btwn Milwaukee and Chicago several times a year. It’s always very reliable.

30. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

I used to enjoy riding the train into BC from Calgary years ago – a cheap and beautiful trip. Then CN ended the service for us regular peasants and now only offer an expensive highbrow ride. We’ve lost a lot of passenger service across Canada. Back in the day, I also rode from Montreal to Saskatchewan which was a nice, but long, trip. I miss those opportunities now.

31. marisacat - 23 April 2008

well it is a long time ago but I crossed the country several times with my mother by train, before they were destroyed. To my mind the destruction went full blast wtih Federally mandated de-segregation. Aside from whatever considerations of restricting people to cars, buses and planes entered into it…

Only took a few years really.

They used to be wonderful.

Amtrak out here is very good. Extremely nice people at the stations and on the trains. I used to take the train to Sacramento and Roseville, I saw a dr up there… I haven’t taken it to Los Angeles but it is supposed to be a wonderful trip.

32. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 April 2008
33. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 April 2008

oh, poor silly man

Calling the attack ad “racist and gutter politics,” the Democratic Party reacted to a North Carolina GOP attack ad that features Reverend Wright and that calls Barack Obama “extreme.” The ad is drawing harsh criticism from both sides of the political aisle.

In an exclusive to Huffingtonpost by the leading Democratic presidential nominee, Senator Barack Obama said, “Well, my understanding is that the Republican National Committee and John McCain have both said the ad is inappropriate. I take them at their word. And I assume that if John McCain thinks that it’s an inappropriate ad that he can get them to pull it down since he’s their nominee and standard-bearer.”

What a moron. Ready for Kerry campaign 2.0?

34. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

I take them at their word.

Huh? What kind of response is that?

35. marisacat - 23 April 2008

Republicans are laughing

36. NYCO - 23 April 2008

Japan is out of butter.

37. Heather-Rose Ryan - 23 April 2008

Melvin, how is your dog?

I put up a few baby pics of my dog Boswell. But they’re from a long time ago. He’s now 10 and is finally beginning to feel his age. Moderate-length hikes exhaust him, and he can’t jump up onto the bed with the same wild abandon as he used to.

When we got him from the pound, the vet said that he was a Lab/Shepherd mix. She said, “Let’s hope he has the Lab temperament and the Shepherd brains and not the other way around!” Fortunately that’s the case – he is endlessly patient, kidfriendly, and calm and at the same time highly intelligent and alert. (However I have known lovely Shepherds so don’t take this as a slam of the breed.)

I’ve had many dogs in my life, but Boz is the perfect one and it will be terrible when he goes.

As somebody said of Babe Ruth: he has a heart as big as a wheelbarrow and made of solid gold.

38. Heather-Rose Ryan - 23 April 2008

Re: Amtrak: it’s still pretty OK for traveling. I haven’t been on it in years but friends and relatives have, and they like it.

A good book is Jenny Diski’s Stranger on a Train, in which she travels across the US via Amtrak (because she wants to smoke) and meets many entertaining people.

I think MCatters would like Diski because she’s a brilliant writer – observant, sensitive, funny – and ornery as hell.

39. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 April 2008

Chalmers Johnson: It’s Time to Flee the Country

The disasters we’ve visited on the people of the Middle East are something for which we’re ultimately responsible, much as blame for the Holocaust belongs to the Nazi regime and the Rape of Nanking to the wartime Japanese government. But I fear much worse is to come domestically. The lies of the Bush government that got us into these two wars, and the propaganda and public misinformation that continue to keep us there have had a corrosive effect on public trust. Many people no longer believe anything the government or the media tells them. So far this cynicism has not penetrated deeply into the ranks of the armed services. But I suspect that before long it will. As the wars drag on and the deployments stretch out, as the casualties continue with no end in sight, and as it becomes clear how poorly these casualties are cared for once they come home, our military—including the National Guard—will become demoralized and very angry. They should be angry for being used as they are; we should be angry for them.

In addition to our moral bankruptcy, there is fiscal bankruptcy. The Bush government talks about the burst housing bubble but says nothing about the obscene military budgets that are driving our entire economy deeper into debt. It will probably take a major financial crisis on par with the Great Depression to reorient our economy in a more productive direction. Unfortunately, I don’t hear any viable candidate talking like FDR.

In short, I think our ship of state is heading for a mammoth iceberg. Just as many people in 1930s Germany were, I’m too old to leave and will probably go down with the ship. But if I were younger, I would be thinking of bailing out. Vote, if you must, in November, but don’t expect that things will change much, let alone get better.

40. Heather-Rose Ryan - 23 April 2008

Speaking of Eddie Izzard: have any of you seen Julie Taymor’s Across the Universe? He does a hilarious version of “For the Benefit of Mr Kite”. Spectacular movie – I loved it. It was so thrilling to see a woman director (gasp!!) going to town with stunning over-the-top visuals.

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 April 2008
42. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 April 2008

#40 – Haven’t seen it yet … waiting for it to his cable.

43. wu ming - 23 April 2008

the california amtrak lines work in large part because the state took them over and funds and maintains them adequately (although we could use a lot more funds to make them work at a developed country level).

the 3 lines in the country that turn a profit are the acela on the east coast, the capitol corridor from the bay area to sac, and the surfliners from san luis obispo to san diego. i take the capitol corridor a lot when i go into the bay area, because it’s far saner than trying to drive on 80 with all the crazies.

i’m really hoping that the high speed rail bond passes this november. SF to LA in 3 hours would be fantastic, and they’re talking about powering it entirely on carbon-free energy (coastal/delta wind + thermal solar in the valley). ahnult’s tried really hard to kill it in private, but we’ll get a shot at it regardless. it could be huge for the san joaquin valley, both in terms of getting people to airports (there’s nothing between sac and LAX) and in bringing some jobs into an endemically depressed economy that’s getting devastated by the housing bust.

they really should be building these things all over the country. the northwest from eugene to vancouver BC would be another no-brainer. of all the things to float bonds for, massive transportation projects are pretty good in a depression.

my kingdom for some keynesian pols.

44. wilfred - 23 April 2008

#40 I agree about Across the Universe, great movie! Jim Sturgess is a star, he was also very good in the new movie “21”.

45. wilfred - 23 April 2008

wow, Howard Fineman on Jon Stewart and he’s got a really bad dye job. Do they really think we don’t see this shit?

46. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

LatAm leaders in food price pact. At least they’re doing something about it, unlike our useless gov’ts.

47. Heather-Rose Ryan - 23 April 2008

#41 – fascinating photos. But what’s up with the snipe at the black American family for eating too much junk food? Look at all the Coke the Mexicans drink, and the beer and wine and processed meats that the Germans consume. Yet there’s no fingerwagging at them.

I say we eat at the Egyptians’ place and then go party at the Germans’.

48. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008
49. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 April 2008
50. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

Edwards’ former campaign manager told CBC news today that Obama needs to toughen up. Not quite ready for prime time yet.

51. wilfred - 23 April 2008

#48 LC, I have a feeling we past the tipping point a few decades ago. Information like this is going to come cascading at this point now that we know what to look for.

When I heard a few years ago that the maple industry in Vermont had moved to north of Montreal after centuries of being the perfect climate, the bell was ringing loudly. Then my friends in the northern Caribbean told me dengue fever had spread there and was now becoming a problem it confirmed it.

The news that we had just shy of 600 tornados in the first 3 months of this year here in the US compared to 150, it made me wonder if the next Katrina is coming this summer.

52. Heather-Rose Ryan - 23 April 2008

#44 – Jim Sturgess is a star

yes he is, isn’t he? I was wowed. I must check out “21”. Actually all the young people in Across the Universe were remarkably good. I had never heard of any of them before.

The big production numbers are available on YouTube but the film must be seen in its entirety.

53. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

51. I hadn’t heard that latest tornado statistic. That really is incredible.

We’re so behind environmentally due to a lack of political will that I don’t know if it’s even possible to catch up.

54. diane - 23 April 2008
55. Hair Club for Men - 23 April 2008

I had never heard of any of them before.

One of them’s married to Marilyn Manson I think.

56. diane - 23 April 2008
57. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

lol…CTV’s Tom Clark on the Dem race after being asked if this was good for the party: “It’s like trench warfare in WW1. Nobody thought it was a good idea, but nobody knew how to end it.”

58. cad - 23 April 2008

I regularly take the capital corridor when i visit my family in sacramento. a great ride. it’s unbelievable that there’s no train between la and sf. do people understand it would actually help the economy? that idiot michael medved often “rails” against public transportation as something awful, socialistic. good lawd.

59. marisacat - 23 April 2008

well there had been an Amtrak train that went from SF (actually the station over in Emeryville in the East Bay) to LA. Not fast, just Amtrak… but maybe it is no longer operating.

60. wu ming - 23 April 2008

there’s a train between the two, but it only runs one direction a day IIRC, and tends to be late because the freight has priority

if they built some more passing tracks, and gave amtrack priority, and ran a couple trains a day, it would work pretty well.

61. wu ming - 23 April 2008

i took it (the coast starlight) this past christmas. it’s seen better days, but it’s still there, and was at capacity, FWIW.

62. wu ming - 23 April 2008

it runs from LA to seattle.

63. Hair Club for Men - 23 April 2008

i took it (the coast starlight) this past christmas

I’ve ridden that train a bunch of times. It’s boring until you reach Big Sur and then it’s sublime.

64. diane - 23 April 2008
65. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

64. I was surprised to see a pic of his coffin on WaPo’s internets front page.

66. diane - 23 April 2008

sweet dreams all…

dreaming of a blessedly peaceful days long train trip, sounds like a wonderful plan….

67. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

I see the WaPo editorial board is openly disagreeing with the NYT’s:

In the closing days of the Pennsylvania race, both candidates landed some hard punches but nothing that struck us as egregiously out of bounds. Mr. Obama has shown that he can give as good as he gets from Ms. Clinton — a quality that he will need if he wins the nomination. In the meantime, it seems to us that the Democrats, having set up a system designed to produce a nominee either too quickly (ridiculously front-loaded primaries) or too slowly (ridiculously proportional selection of delegates) can manage to survive a few more weeks of uncertainty.

68. wu ming - 23 April 2008

which direction, hair club?

69. diane - 23 April 2008


Good for them, although it’s a bit late for the media to do the right thing.


70. liberalcatnip - 23 April 2008

I thought this Begala quote from Larry King tonite was a good one:

BEGALA: Super delegates do exist. I don’t like them. James is right. It’s a house of lords. With all respect to Robert Wexler, who is a congressman and a super delegate, I don’t like that system. I don’t like anything that’s anti-Democratic. I also don’t like the proportional system.

I think it should be winner take all the way the electoral college is. Instead, the Democratic party has now organized their party like five-year-old t-ball. sally gets a trophy and Jimmy gets a trophy and Timmy gets — no, it should be like the World Series, winner take all. It’s tough, but that’s life.


71. marisacat - 23 April 2008

Big Sur is just beyond words…

72. cad - 24 April 2008

I’ve taken the coast from la to sf, but it was a 11 hour trip. but amazing. i saw dolphins jumping from the water. that was when there was a smoking section.

took the amtrak from seattle to sacramento. a breakdown, an accident ahead, and the cars way too cold. if i could lay flat, no problem.

73. marisacat - 24 April 2008

Rahm is on with Charlie… and I Think he’s had a few. LOL If he fell off the chair and slid to the floor, I would not be too surprised……

what a hoot!

BTW, Omamamamamama handlers cannot be too happy with the headlines at NYT tonight… “Change may fall flat in Indiana” [ouchy wowowow] and “Issues of Race and Electability” [massive ouch]

74. liberalcatnip - 24 April 2008

Gaza fuel embargo blocks UN aid

The United Nations says that it is being forced to suspend its humanitarian work in Gaza because of the Israeli fuel blockade.

A UN official says food aid to 650,000 refugees and the collection of sewage will have to stop on Thursday if Israel does not allow in more vehicle fuel.

The UN Security Council met to discuss the crisis, but Western representatives walked out over comments from Libya.

They objected to the Libyan delegate likening Gaza to a Nazi death camp.

Among the diplomats to leave the UN chamber in New York were representatives of the United States, Britain, France and Belgium.

Well, that was a convenient excuse for them to just walk away while Palestinians continue to suffer under collective punishment. Diplomatic assholes.

75. bayprairie - 24 April 2008

hey xeno, the amanda marcotte show is still on the figgin tubes. what’s it been now? a month?


But don’t you see? We have to support Amanda’s career! It’s all about Amanda’s career!

76. NYCO - 24 April 2008

Yeah, the Coast Starlight was the one with the black garbage bags and broken AC. We called it the “Roast Starlight.”

And, although the train does not go into SF, it goes through Oakland, so I was bummed that all I could see was a hazy outline of the Transamerica Building. Wahhhhh. SF is my dream vacation city and I want to go there for real.

77. NYCO - 24 April 2008

39. Yawn… yet another “I’m so skeered, I must flea” proclamation from a Concerned Citizen. As if the people with the means to leave would be the targets of anything.

They won’t leave. They’ll stay, and continue to enable.

78. marisacat - 24 April 2008


Honestly I don’t think that Chalmers Johnson is an enabler. In the least.. At least not since he got a good look at Okinawa and understood the reach of the horror.

79. marisacat - 24 April 2008

I see the NYT has changed the title on the Nagourney piece… Last night it was “For the Democrats, Issues of Race and Electability”, today it is

“For Obama, A Struggle to Win Over Voting Blocs”

Whatever floats the boat.

80. JJB - 24 April 2008

MCat, no. 78,

I’ve been telling people for years that they need to investigate their options re expatriation. The moment BushCo. made it obvious that they were going to invade Iraq, I started the process of passing my dual nationality on to my wife and son. I was 11 when LBJ sent combat troops into Vietnam, and the war was still raging and the draft still conscripting when I turned 17. My son was 11 when we invaded Iraq, and he’ll turn 17 at the end of September. Our tour of college campuses to which he might apply has so far included 3 in the Republic of Ireland, which would be expensive, though not as bad as some of the private colleges he’s interested in here.

81. marisacat - 24 April 2008

hmmm well the Dem party and its brainless centrist factions (hypnotised by the yella lines and the dead armadillo), Obama and his handlers and his mites played a stupid game: Is he FDR, is he JFK, is he RFK, is he Martin (he sure ain’t Malcolm!), is he Mandela! Or Lincoln! Hell he’s Jefferson AND Washington! And now it is out of hand.

It really was the dumbest game to come down the pike in decades.

82. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2008

Experts say sex abstinence program doesn’t work

Lawmakers cited government statistics showing that one in four U.S. teenage girls has a sexually transmitted disease and 30 percent of U.S. girls become pregnant before the age of 20.

Republicans said even if some abstinence-only programs do not work, others do, and it would be wrong to end the funding.

Rep. John Duncan, a Tennessee Republican, said that it seems “rather elitist” that people with academic degrees in health think they know better than parents what type of sex education is appropriate. “I don’t think it’s something we should abandon,” he said of abstinence-only funding.

Charles Keckler of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said the Bush administration believes abstinence education programs send the healthiest message.

83. JJB - 24 April 2008

No. 82,

Rep. John Duncan, a Tennessee Republican, said that it seems “rather elitist” that people with academic degrees in health think they know better than parents what type of sex education is appropriate. “I don’t think it’s something we should abandon,” he said of abstinence-only funding.

If those parents themselves became parents unexpectedly when they were very young, I would say yes, those darned elitists do indeed know something the parents don’t/didn’t. Quite a bit, in fact.

It seems that the easiest way to be labeled an “elitist” these days is to simply acquire expertise on a subject and try to share it with other people lacking said knowledge.

84. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2008
85. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2008

yup, REAL people don’t KNOW stuff, they BELIEVE stuff.

86. marisacat - 24 April 2008


IMO people have only one life. They can live it as they please {short of inflicting harm wilfully} and where they please.

Aside from everything else, the lack of political will to do much of anything but war is going to overwhelm the country. Clearly, in terms blunt or couched (that would be the enabler Democrats), the plan is to weaken, remove, defund and otherwise nullify Entitlements.

My own guess from his writings and his interviews, tho he is not explicit in the article, he fears a military coup, one deeper than the one we are in.

A few years ago he wrote (and I think his wife being gone is part of this) he found that Spain would take him and his elderly Russian Blue and not insist the cat be quarantined, as long as she had a bill of good health from the vet… Apparently he feels unable to go thru the upheaval that a long distance move would entail. I know the feeling.

87. marisacat - 24 April 2008

Well Duncan should not worry. The Dems funded that bullshit, again. And if Obama makes it past a more critical press, he will fund it as well. My guess he happily funds PEPFAR and he has said he plans to keep the Faith Based offices in teh WW.

Not that HIllary would do any differently. And Reid is beloved by Democrats for Life and Perkins of FOTF was only to happy to point out that despite Reid’s baby in the crib burbles about the “PBA” ruling from the SCOTUS, he had voted to ban the medical procedure. Twice I believe.

I noticed another Right to Life member is running on the Dem ticket this year, from Louisiana. Racking them up. Science begone.

88. NYCO - 24 April 2008

over at Big Orange, finally the Reality of Hillary crashes in

And yes, yes, yes, he looks like he’s lost his mojo. I’m a huge Obama supporter and even I’m bored and disillusioned. Hillary’s fire is strangely appealing. And I’m shocked (and slightly embarrassed) I feel that way.


Seems like Obama needs to distribute some crosses and holy water at his next tent revival.

89. ms_xeno - 24 April 2008

bayprairie, #75.

I know, bayprairie. I know. Several blogs had a link to brownfemipower’s goodbye-to-all-that post, and it’s the same shit from Amanda in response. I use the term loosely because it’s not a real response. Whine whine whine. Me me me. She’s just phoning it in and surely everyone can see it by now.

I’m going back in my bunker now. And in my next life I’m going to be an earthworm. Or something else that doesn’t have a gender. >:

BTW, if anyone’s interested, I’m trying out a new “please-stand-by” design for The Website That’s Always On Standby. So click on my name if you’re curious. A local duo called Work Work Play did it for me, as something close to pro bono.

90. ms_xeno - 24 April 2008

Here’s brownfemipower’s post, in case anyone missed it.

Or, to quote a WOC I know, sure women are all sisters. It’s just that White women are the favored siblings.

91. wilfred - 24 April 2008

#88…. and ABC was quick to point out on the noon “news” that Obama has taken the day off to huddle with advisors in Chicago while Hillpac storms the campaign trail.

Then of course the ‘newscasters’ began to talk about all the hot ABC shows that are airing ‘fresh episodes’ tonight and acting all goose-pimply. It was pathetic watching them put on their ABC hot-pants and saddle up to the lamp post.

92. liberalcatnip - 24 April 2008

A preview of Wright’s PBS/Moyers interview: Wright Says His Words Were Twisted

88. Seems like Obama needs to distribute some crosses and holy water at his next tent revival.

It’s about time reality sunk in for some of O’s supporters over there. They’re definitely going to face it if he wins the WH.

93. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2008

It was pathetic watching them put on their ABC hot-pants and saddle up to the lamp post.

It’s all just entertainment and space-filler between boner ads, so why not? Frankly, the sooner they stop wasting their time pretending that there is any news, and the sooner we get straight-up Robocop-style spots the better.

94. marisacat - 24 April 2008

They’re in Touch!

Pelosi email…

Foreclosure Workshop and … something else…oh yes! Assistance (but not too much, would be my guess!!) Saturday!

95. NYCO - 24 April 2008

ya know, I don’t hate Obama, really! I hate the delusional thinking of some of his supporters. (And I want to stress, SOME, because I have friends who are big Obama supporters and I don’t think they’re delusional – I just hope Obama turns out to be the guy they think he is).

And yeah, I plainly admit – I was there for the Dean version and it’s like some of these people weren’t even born in 2003, how can they NOT see they’re acting the same way as orange hatters?

So it’s nice to read straightforward dkos diaries by Obama supporters who aren’t afraid to be honest. All this “la la la, Hillary, I can’t hear you” tripe is getting really old.

96. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2008

The funny thing about the whole Obama thing is THAT HE’S ALREADY WON. Not saying that the Clinton’s couldn’t pull off some super-delegate coup, but that’s pretty-much only likely if he and his campaign whine like whipped curs. Oh, wait, LIKE THEY ARE NOW.

The Clintons are flexing a bit so that they can hold onto some small faction of the party (see Kennedy v. Carter) and maybe set her up for ’12.

God, mock them. Send out surrogates to attack them. Make fun of them. Produce an ad w/ Clinton in a Marie Antoinette photoshopped wig. Focus on McCain, and for Zeus’ sake QUIT BITCHING ABOUT THE MEDIA BEING UNFAIR.

Do your fucking job and sell your fake message of “hope”.

Donks are so damned predictable and pathetic.

Go Cynthia!

97. marisacat - 24 April 2008

Herr Lieber Karl weighs in………………… this the WSJ

it’s not as good as his open letter to Obama on how to win against her of a few months ago…

98. liberalcatnip - 24 April 2008

FYI, Pelosi’s on Larry King’s show tonite. Oh joy.

I see some of the commenters in that dkos diary [#88] think Hillary is on drugs because she looks hyped. Mon dieu. I think they call that being spurred on by momentum. But, no. If Obama’s tired and Hillary’s looks pumped, she’s obviously on “uppers”.

99. liberalcatnip - 24 April 2008

Hmmm…that should be #88 – 88.

100. marisacat - 24 April 2008

Well Obama has had several significant opportunities to literally break away from the mannikin mold that Axelrod (and Obama himself) constructed for him.

One was his speech in Evansville Ill late at night on voting day in PA. He hewed to the old preacher change scheisse. It is some bizarre miracle of regurgitation and feeding rituals that he can spit it up and Holy Rollers will swallow it.

I posted a link to the full text, as prepared, as well as that line about how he has already worked his magic in Ill and DC and reined in the power of the parties. Gee. Get a halfway honest storyline fella.

The other was a huge missed opportunity in my book. After he won WI by 17 whopping points… and there were quiet reports around that much of HillaryLand (but I suspect not Mother Clinton) was in near collapse… the next day he was in Ohio at a car plant.. that already knew it would face layoffs. He was energy less, drained.To me, I saw he did nto want to be there. Well where then, fella? I posted full text of his speech, it received a lot of coverage, and I posted a range of reaction.

He offered those men nothing. Not even his personal ability to energise, in a real way. It was stunning imo for a pol claiming to want tobreak the molds and find a new way.

I pay attention because I have the time and I am interested. But he fucking BORES me. For young people who have done well in the USA! USA! he and his wife whine. Same as the Clintons (I mean, BIll is Whiner in Chief).

I loved all the years of dumbfuck Dems bruiting that the conservative world is dead. They are in as dangerous a surge of energy as is Hillary. Winger land is evidencing grudging admiration for Hillary, as a tough and fearless campaigner. And they are drooling a mix of saliva and blood at the thought of killing off Obama, whom they view as weak and confused.

Good Luck.

101. diane - 24 April 2008

the upheaval that a long distance move would entail.

Even sometimes an interstate move, people really don’t get that until they do it…the last long distance move I made was horrid (as was a more recent shorter distance move), whatever could go wrong did, even things that couldn’t go wrong did…seems all of the entities that a person must rely on for day to day living have been thoroughly corrupted….

And registering to vote? The Library (in a not small locale) had a twice outdated registration form, the post office a slightly newer outdated form, forms which had been delivered by government officials in one of the most crucial elections in the last century…didn’t find out I’d sent the wrong form until I called and asked why I hadn’t received my registration card (apparently they had no interest in sending me notice that my registration was not valid).

102. bayprairie - 24 April 2008

xeno at 89 said

I know. Several blogs had a link to brownfemipower’s goodbye-to-all-that post, and it’s the same shit from Amanda in response.

i read that also. appears as if bfp feels she was a content datamine for the 95-10 feminist. many others seem to agree with her. just desserts for the boyos though, their very own party feminist rejected by so many.

103. liberalcatnip - 24 April 2008

What’s the Cliff notes version of the Marcotte/WOC story? I read brownfemipower’s post but I can’t quite grasp the back story. Marcotte used some of bfp’s writings as her own?

BTW, I did check out that Marcotte book link as well. WTF was she thinking using racist images – or does that just say it all?

104. bayprairie - 24 April 2008

oops! out the door right this moment. but there is a relatively good summation out there. i’ll see if i can link it later this evening.

105. marisacat - 24 April 2008

Ambinder has already picked up on the Wright comments on Moyers that Obama says what he has to as a pol. Ugh I sw the quote in the NYT that he claims he and Obama don’t discuss politics. GMAFB.

wright needed to take a few months off, radio slient and retire to the butt ugly construction that is his retirement residence in a gated community in Tinsley Park … with a butler pantry.

That is, if he wanted to help his friend.

106. diane - 24 April 2008
107. liberalcatnip - 24 April 2008

100. I guess we’ll have to wait and see if this will be the period of Extreme Makeover: Obama Edition.

108. liberalcatnip - 24 April 2008

Thanks, bayprarie.

I sw the quote in the NYT that he claims he and Obama don’t discuss politics. GMAFB.

That seems rather disingenuous to me (to put it mildly). How could those 2 not have discussed politics over 20 years when politics was the major force in decimating the AA community? Not buying that one.

109. ms_xeno - 24 April 2008

catnip, the uproar over Marcotte began with a column she wrote for altenet:

Sexual Abuse Fueled by Abusive Immigration Language.

On the face of it, a worthy subject. Only it didn’t take long for several anti-racist bloggers to point out that it was mighty, mighty odd that Marcotte did not cite any of brownfemipower’s writings on the issue, which are legion on her own now-shuttered page and referenced widely amongst anti-racists in Blogland.

Here’s one example of the reaction.

Marcotte has denied deliberately swiping any of bfp’s works, though she has said in the past that she reads bfp’s board regularly. So logically any number of folks found her declaration of ignorance hard to swallow. So far as I know she has chosen not to address the issue in her own space. Virtually every response she has elsewhere, in response to those who are sympathetic to her and those who are not, is the same:My career my career what about my career blah blah blah.

What an ass.

110. ms_xeno - 24 April 2008


their very own party feminist rejected by so many

They’ll scapegoat her and send her packing, too. It’s only a matter of time. Will she have the smarts at that time to realize that she sold out her professed beliefs and got less than nothing of value for them ? Stay tuned. [munches sandwich with one hand, holds fan in the other]

111. JJB - 24 April 2008

I’m sure you’ll all be shocked as I was to learn that the “proof” that North Koreans were at that Syrian installation alleged to be a nuclear weapons site bombed by the Israelis is nothing of the sort, just the same kind of lame “proof” that Colin Powell presented to the UN:

A U.S. official, who asked not to be named because he was not authorized to discuss classified matters, said that among the intelligence the United States has was an image of what appeared to be people of Korean descent at the facility.

Maybe things have gotten so bad in North Korea, that a trip to this location is Syria is their equivalent of two weeks in Vegas, and the people in question were tourists.

Things have gotten so bad, that even a GOP Congresscritter is more or less saying this claim is bogus:

Rep. Peter Hoekstra, the top Republican on the House of Representatives intelligence committee, bluntly told the reporters after a briefing on the issue that the administration had lost the trust of many lawmakers.

A trusting environment between the administration and Congress does not exist,” said the Michigan congressman, one of a handful of lawmakers briefed on the intelligence last year.

He also said the administration’s decision not to brief a wider array of lawmakers until Thursday would make it much harder for Bush to win congressional support for any agreements he may strike with North Korea through the six-party negotiations on ending Pyongyang’s nuclear programs.

112. liberalcatnip - 24 April 2008

109. Thanks for that, ms x.

113. marisacat - 24 April 2008

And not just Moyers show:

Wright offering fresh fodder to Obama critics

2 APPEARANCES | TV, Press Club stints not what candidate needs

April 24, 2008
Recommend (64)

LYNN SWEET blogs.suntimes.com/sweet

WASHINGTON–The controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright — Sen. Barack Obama’s pastor — is speaking Monday at the National Press Club as part of a divinity conference of black church leaders. Wright’s decision to headline an event at the Press Club — open to all media — risks giving Obama’s critics more fodder, as if they don’t have enough already.

Meanwhile, PBS is touting an interview with Wright to be broadcast Friday on “Bill Moyers’ Journal.” Fresh material from Wright — no matter how well-intended — is not what Obama needs.

Wright’s Press Club talk is supposed to be about offering perspective on black churches — theology, history and politics, and the torrent of coverage stemming from Obama’s presidential bid. ::snip::

114. marisacat - 24 April 2008

nu thred……………………


115. Madman in the Marketplace - 24 April 2008

I think they’re trying to reassure African Americans in NC & IN (lots of AA in northern IN, in cities like Gary) that he’s not completely disassociating himself from his pastor. That’s my guess on the timing. My guess is that they’ve given up on the working class whites that Wright scares off. It’s all about firming up his core support and running out the clock.

116. marisacat - 24 April 2008

hmm maybe. I dropped in a couple nights ago at Skeptical Brotha (over in the blogroll) to see what was up. Obama dumping Wright absolutely did not work for him. He withdrew his support and appears to be in a depression … (this is merely my read… having watched so much of that hit bloggers.. and RL Humans as well)

117. cad - 24 April 2008

I love the DK diaries that proffer insane conspiracy theories from the “reality-based community” like “You know, I’d like to offer the following ten items of evidence that Clinton is snorting meth.”

118. wu ming - 24 April 2008

while i admit this is just parsing spin and fluff, my reading of obama’s “rein them in” comment according to the grammar of the sentence is that the “them” refers to the [vaguely defined] “special interests,” not “the parties.” he referred to both in the same sentence, so the pronoun’s unclear at first. FWIW.

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