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Drop in for a ride… if you dare. 14 May 2008

Posted by marisacat in Big Box Blogs, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Political Blogs.

it seems Mcat is a mighty scary place. Over and over, the last thing one dare do, is decline to fall for “any of the above”.

It really ticks people off.

I am not a refuge for people who are in endless, life altering (one must assume) rebound from being serially banned from any site where Armando hung out his tattered, then expired, shingle. There was a cadre of women who chased after Armando, begged for his email attention, some surprising names among them. I found it odd then, even odder as some of them cannot let go of beloved Armando, or Fernando, or Big Tent Democrat. Or poiuynick (think he got that one right). And have spent years beating up the landscape in their misery. I shared this privately in email with Miss Devore last year when she made an issue of herself, a rather too large display of her misplaced angst, for the first time. I declined to state it publicly. Then.

I am unsure who thought the political blogs would function as a hook-up service. It does not seem to have gone well.

So, as I was never in that number, it seems I am a “leatherneck lesbianic” and “KKK” gets strewn around my online name, along with whatever else Delaware Dem and his 2 inch henchboys missed throwing last year… largely, then as now, for eschewing the latest Dem party con. And dropping the vestiges of the old Armando fan base. And, of course, speaking bluntly..

The “shut up” brigades just grow and grow. It does not work with me…

It is a little, idiosyncratic blog, exactly what it always was. I use it to take my mind off other, bigger things and because I like to observe the political scene, for better or worse.. I always have done and won’t be stopping anytime soon (have a hankie). I am not interested in being “liked” or anything even remotely near that…


UPDATE, 10:11 pm

Chosen by Gawddddddddddd... or he hopes KY will think so. I realise he is in a never ending bind over issues of being thought Muslim but I have long since come to the end with smarmy in your face religion. White, black or in between. i simply do not care. He’ll be pushing that Sysiphean pebble for the entire campaign.


And last, for the ignorati, tho there is little real help I can offer, there is, however, this

Take your mind off of bigger things, gurl. Which would be?

I don’t make much specific reference to being ill, for one, if I am disinterested in the details and dismissive of a lot of the all too easy psychological mumbo jumbo and palaver around chronic illness, it would surely follow others are disinterested as well. Suffice to say that tho I leave it at, “under the weather today”, “not in the pink”, “sorry, not up to much today”… it is ”bigger” and ”other” than a tiny niche blog.

That is, as they say in the cartoons, The End.



1. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 May 2008

It is a little, idiosyncratic blog, exactly what it always was. I use it to take my mind off other, bigger things and because I like to observe the political scene, for better or worse.. I always have done and won’t be stopping anytime soon (have a hankie). I am not interested in being “liked” or anything even remotely near that

which is why it’s one of the few places I still bother with.

2. marisacat - 14 May 2008

btw, the photo comes from this… LOL Colorado. West of the Mississippi.

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 May 2008
4. Hair Club for Men - 14 May 2008

Oh my God that is a great photograph.

I almost killed myself laughing.

5. marisacat - 14 May 2008

Anyone else who should get off the boat NOW?

But lost in the process is, perhaps, a broader question: Does the Jewish vote really matter all that much for the Illinois Democrat? The topic, perhaps surprisingly, carries no clear consensus among some academics and analysts

Some fo the stuff rolling around makes me wonder what is being said at sites like Democracy Alliance, and the various Obama outreach.

6. marisacat - 14 May 2008


I used it once before but had to go hunting for it… having not saved it ot the hard drive.

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 May 2008

I’ll believe that he doesn’t need the so-called “jewish vote” when that corporate hack starts talking about the Palestians again.

I’m not holding my breath.

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 May 2008

oops … “Palestinians”.

can’t type.

9. marisacat - 14 May 2008

I think all of this is gibberish, trickling out as triumphalism is in charge. Remember, they intend to “remake the map”.

10. Hair Club for Men - 14 May 2008

I’ll believe that he doesn’t need the so-called “jewish vote” when that corporate hack starts talking about the Palestians again.

Let’s face it, this isn’t only about the Palestinians and Israelis anymore. It’s about a regional conflict between the Shia and the Sunnis/USA/Israel.

Obama may pay lip service to the Israelis but what’s his view on dealing with the whole region?

Any sane president will try to hammer out some kind of regional peace plan that includes a two state solution for the Palestinians.

An insane one will plow full speed ahead towards a conflict with Iran.

11. marisacat - 14 May 2008

How can one wonder what his plan is.

Wider war.

GWoT goes forth.

IMO he has picked his “blooding of the president” site. Even advertised it. Pakistan.

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 May 2008

I was crying like a baby at my desk this afternoon:

Dujiangyan Parents’ Search for Child

With some bodies now found, the military was called in. Soon, about three dozen military police arrived in green camouflage fatigues and black rubber boots but with no supplies or equipment.. Mrs. Fu and Mr. Wang ran out to buy them cotton gloves and white cotton face masks. Other neighbors brought shovels. Friends brought out a white sheet and told Mrs. Fu they hoped her son and his grandparents would be found alive but just in case, they would tear this sheet into pieces so they could cover the victims’ faces.

All of our meaningless political postering seems so empty:

13. Hair Club for Men - 14 May 2008

How can one wonder what his plan is.

Wider war.

After the 89987th article by Seymour Hersch predicting imminant war with Iran like at any second I suppose I’m a bit desensitized to the idea that there will be a war with Iran.

But you might be right.

14. marisacat - 14 May 2008

Well there is scrabble babble and then there is…. Paul Street has been mentioning the issue of black incarceration rates, iirc the highest in the nation, for Iowa… and now has a full post on Iowa..

Oh, but, Baby he’s the One.

15. marisacat - 14 May 2008


where did I mention Iran?

16. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

Well, if there isn’t an October surprise Iran war, there may well be executions unless sane judges prevail.

17. Hair Club for Men - 14 May 2008

where did I mention Iran?

Where do you think the wider war is going to begin?

18. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

it seems I am a “leatherneck lesbianic” and “KKK” gets strewn around my online name,

Boyz will be boyz. They’ve proven that repeatedly.

19. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

And I’m just here for the macaroons. Paging ms x.

20. marisacat - 14 May 2008


I named a country.

If you wish to read my mind, get in line.

21. Hair Club for Men - 14 May 2008

IMO he has picked his “blooding of the president” site. Even advertised it. Pakistan.

Do you think Clinton or McCain is any less likely to (invade? bomb?) Pakistan?

Do you think Obama is any less likely than McCain or Hillary to attack Iran?

The problem is a lot of these ultimate decisions are made behind the scenes. There MAY be an enormous difference between all three behind the rah rah USA USA rhetoric.

But we have no way of knowing. I suppose if we had a real media interested in doing serious research into the advisors and donors of all three candidates, willing to read between the lines and look for small clues we could find out.

22. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

Obama would be a fool to bomb Pakistan’s hinterlands. Most US troops in Afghanistan are amassed right at the border. It would be a huge, bloody mess but he somehow seems to think it would be his version of a successful “shock & awe”.

23. marisacat - 14 May 2008

If you want to play 20 questions sorry fella… not up for it.

And remember back a ways it ws YOU who asked if anyone else thought he was to be a front for AFRICOM.

Which I have always thought.

I ahve made it clear over and over, the agenda, either party, is for war.

Throw darts at a map of resources..

24. Hair Club for Men - 14 May 2008

It would be a huge, bloody mess but he somehow seems to think it would be his version of a successful “shock & awe”.

What it actually reminds me of is Kerry’s endless blather about “blah blah blad we had the best troops etc. at Tora Bora” in 2004.

It sounds like something somone would say if he wants to talk out of both sides of his mouth, appeal to the anti-war crowd and yet act tough.

Personally I think any of the three is going to more or less keep the status quo and start chipping away at Iran with covert actions, low intensity war, sanctions, etc.

25. Hair Club for Men - 14 May 2008

And remember back a ways it ws YOU who asked if anyone else thought he was to be a front for AFRICOM.

At some point he may but at what point do you simply not have the resources to do Pakistan, Sudan, Columbia, Iran, etc. etc.

I don’t see him moving troops out of Iraq. I don’t see anybody doing that.

26. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

I don’t see him moving troops out of Iraq. I don’t see anybody doing that.

Obama’s plan is to move them out to redploy them to Afghanistan for his “surge” there. I’m sure the troops will be thrilled.

27. Hair Club for Men - 14 May 2008

Obama’s plan is to move them out to redploy them to Afghanistan for his “surge” there.

Right but that’s Kerry 2004 rhetoric designed to bullshit the voters.

28. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

Speaking of Dukakis*, he’s on Larry King’s show tonite. Nothing like pulling out old ghosts.

* someone was earlier…I have a headache…

29. marisacat - 14 May 2008

Well within two weeks they had 65,000 troops if various kinds in NO, alone. Without a draft we inevitably move to sacrifice level of fodder, and/or paramilitaries.

The AF.

They will be increasing troops in Afghanistan, if only to point and say, WE are going after bin Laden. IMO.

I merely observe. the war machine is up and running, the arms merchants are tabulating the profits. Israel has moved to be a larger and larger share of global arms sales…

I don’t see any of this contracting. it should but it won’t… just as Iraq should be a withdrawal. it won’t be.

I have said all of this.

30. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

Right but that’s Kerry 2004 rhetoric designed to bullshit the voters.

All 3 of them have been talking about this surge in Afghanistan thinking, I suppose, that’s the “Good War” the public still supports but I have no doubt the redployments will happen. Canada (foolishly) extended its commitment to 2011 but that will most likely be the end of it unless the useless gov’t can somehow convince our public it will be a peacekeeping mission from then on. Good luck with that. The other NATO allies have been screaming for years for more troops. If the US doesn’t ante up, they’ll just leave. Does the US (including the Dems) really want 2 failed wars? (Not that I don’t think they’re already failed wars but the US polled public seems to still think otherwise.)

31. Hair Club for Men - 14 May 2008

Well I’m going to go read some Hemingway.

And imagine I’m a bullfighter named “Armando”.

32. Madman in the Marketplace - 14 May 2008

This country is a death cult. the campaign is just a contest for who gets to be High Priest.

33. marisacat - 14 May 2008

There is always a way to make war.

America’s intervention gave Ethiopia license to invade Somalia and begin a horrific cycle of violence. According to Amnesty International, more than 600,000 Somalis have fled from their homes, at least 6,000 are dead and 90,000 children in refugee camps are in danger of death from starvation and lack of hygiene and medical care.

Not the only proxy war we are running in Africa.

34. marisacat - 14 May 2008


wise move.

But the RNC convention should be exciting for you.. with Ron Paul on the scene again. Buck up, big days coming. Surely.

35. marisacat - 14 May 2008

LOL Wrong again!

*[new] Cause most of them are married to white men (0.00 / 0)

Why are old whitey wimmens so interested in being fighters anyway

And white guys tend to piss people off.
by Hair Club for Men @ Wed May 14, 2008 at 21:34:04 PM PDT

36. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

34. But the RNC convention should be exciting for you.. with Ron Paul on the scene again.

Hey, it’ll be exciting for me if Ron Paul (or anybody) stirs up shit there too. Certainly more exciting than watching them with their purple bandaids and flip-flops in 2004. Let’s hope it turns into an all out western, saloon-style brawl. Yeehaw.

37. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

35. That’s quite the intellectual discussion they have going there. snort

38. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

I expect the Dem convention will be the equivalent of a revival tent meeting this year with snake oil being sold on the convention floor. zzzzzzzz…

39. marisacat - 14 May 2008

LOL whiplash suits to follow from this cycle of the Dem party squalor:

Florida Rep. Robert Wexler goes home and tells Jewish retirees in Tamarac that Obama is strong on Israel.

Cillizza suggests a pilgrimage to Israel once the general election begins in earnest.

Sam Stein argues that Obama doesn’t need the Jewish vote (and implicitly concedes Florida). Notably, Obama doesn’t seem to be campaigning this way.

embedded links at Ben Smith. http://politico.com/blogs/bensmith

40. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

So, does Obama call men “sweetie” too?. Inquiring herbs want to know.

41. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

“sweetie” men in spam.

42. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008
43. wu ming - 14 May 2008

re. 12 –

i feel like i’m right back in ’99, stuck in a hong kong layover, trying frantically to read the online news and find out if my friends, students, apartment, neighborhood are even still there, after the 7.6 earthquake that happened while i was on vacation in – of all places – chengdu.

it’s such a wretched sense of impotence, to be able to see the faces of the grieving, and not be able to just reach out and hug them. earthquakes like that are terrible things, it just takes the world and wrecks it like a giant toying with the world.

like american presidents do the world, really.

44. wu ming - 14 May 2008

i was looking at these, to be clear.

one irony here is that in these foothill towns, han and tibetan are buried, digging, and grieving together.

45. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

Residents: missile strike hits Pakistan village. Suspected missile strike hits Pakistan border village, about 12 people reported dead

46. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008
47. marisacat - 14 May 2008

It seems the count of the dead is resilient to rising. Somehwere in the past two days I read what sounded like a very educated guess, that possibly over 18,000 are buried in one town. I assume an assessment made from thsoe concrete buildings that did not shake, but collapsed…, as they put it.

48. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

The numbers are staggering. The latest:

China is mobilising 30,000 extra troops and 90 helicopters to help with the rescue operation after Monday’s devastating earthquake.

About 10 million people in Sichuan province have been directly affected by the 7.9 quake that flattened entire villages, state media said.

Nearly 15,000 people are known to have been killed, and another 26,000 are still trapped in the rubble.

And the press is reporting now that anywhere from 1.5-2.5 million people in Burma have been affected by the cyclone, with the reported death toll at 34,000.

49. marisacat - 14 May 2008

Here is why he met with the CEO of Chrysler:

“I would be lying if I didn’t say I wasn’t concerned about that,” said Debbie Dingell, a Democratic National Committee member and superdelegate who attended the Macomb event, referring to Obama’s struggle with blue collar voters. “But I also think he hasn’t had the opportunity to talk about it. He is now here. You are going to see him again and again and again.”

Dingell’s wife. who [Dingell] has a lock on the automotive industry AND the NRA.

it’s a report on his two days in MI, at Politico. Anyone cares they can find it easily enough.

50. marisacat - 14 May 2008

From the BAR link at comment 33

There is one force more to blame than any other. “…the bankroller, armorer and trainer of the Ethiopian invaders, the paymaster of the Somali warlords, the missile-striker, the refugee-bomber, the ‘extrajudicial’ assassin, the renditioner, the wielder of death squads: the United States government, under the direction of George W. Bush, and with the full and willing complicity of the entire political establishment.”

God damn America.

but but but it is so tough to make war… waaaaaaaaaaaaa. How can this beeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

51. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

Obama talks tough on Detroit; Criticism of auto industry could make winning support an uphill battle

McCain has criticized the industry in the past, but Obama “is going to have to show some understanding and sympathy about Michigan and the auto industry,” said Bill Ballenger, editor of the Inside Michigan Politics newsletter. “It doesn’t help him to go into the econ club and excoriate the industry as he did, and then go to other states and brag about it.”

The Illinois senator’s retelling of his story has a few flourishes. While Obama has repeatedly said “nobody clapped” and that his message was met with silence, the record from that speech from the Detroit Economic Club tells a different story. Obama won at least mild applause several times from the crowd of 2,000.

Whoops – he did it again.

52. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

The Detroit Free Press has a lot of Obama coverage.

53. wu ming - 14 May 2008

it really is hard to grasp, as an american, the levels of population density in either the irawaddy delta or sichuan. the same earthquake in any part of america would affect a fraction of the the number of people, even if, as was in new orleans, it remains a wretched human tragedy. packing people in that close to a natural disaster makes the human cost mind boggling to an american eye.

i heard a geologist say possibly 150,000 dead in sichuan, and it felt right to me. thank god it didn’t center under chengdu itself, then it would be in the millions.

as a californian, just watching it all gives one pause, as this is the scale of the “big one” for both LA and SF.

and all that digging, as in taiwan, will be by hand, concrete block by concrete block. there is a certain tragic solidarity involved in such things, everyone nearby just pitches in as they can.

after it is over, there will be hell to pay, about the building codes. sichuanese are some of the most stubborn, tough people out there, and do not hesitate to go after the government with hammer and tongs when they feel wronged. perhaps one silver lining will be some attention paid to decent seismic building codes.

54. marisacat - 14 May 2008

well ti sounds like the updated codes were simply ignored. Gotten around.

Yes I have read there is already, in the grief, rage at the authorities.

I suppose someone will be shot as was done with the issue of the tainted toys and other things.

here they don’t even step down. Much less justice.

55. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

53. sichuanese are some of the most stubborn, tough people out there, and do not hesitate to go after the government with hammer and tongs when they feel wronged.

That’s good to know. Do you still have friends/colleagues in the area hit, wu ming?

56. liberalcatnip - 14 May 2008

54. I suppose someone will be shot as was done with the issue of the tainted toys and other things.

Not exactly the “heckuva job, Brownie” approach.

57. marisacat - 15 May 2008

… several someones would be my guess.

58. marisacat - 15 May 2008


Jeremy Greenstalk is on with Charlie… and Charlie is confounded. For the umpteenth time, in the umpteenth way he is being told that both UK and US knew that Saddam did not have nuclear weapon.

Poor Charlie. Such a dumb rock.

59. lucid - 15 May 2008

I think changed minds sometimes start with two people talking across a backyard fence,

So do I.

60. wu ming - 15 May 2008

nope, my colleagues are from the east coat. but i was quite struck by sichuanese people during my times backpacking through there.

i thought it notable that a grassroots group opposed the construction of some nearby dam (not the 3 gorges) two years ago because it was on a fault line. notable, in that that group was out there and protesting some, even i they didn’t stop the dam. today, of course, it’s got huge cracks and may fail in weeks to come.

in the long run, china will have to find a way of accommodating civil society and grassroots hellraisers to keep its society/economy in balance. it’s just a critical part of any functional system, and way easier than just executing party officials when the predictable happens.

just from a pragmatic perspective, a loosening can’t be all that far off.

61. marisacat - 15 May 2008
62. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008

60. Good to know you don’t know anyone directly affected but I understand what it’s like to feel for the people in a place you’ve been to, regardless.

it’s just a critical part of any functional system, and way easier than just executing party officials when the predictable happens.

I really don’t know where the Chinese gov’t is headed but it seems to me that executions are the easier choice at this point, unfortunately. They still seem to be awfully effective at stifling dissent.

63. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008

I wonder how many O supporters could pass this quiz.

64. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008

I save “sweetie” for my cats and grandherbs.

65. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008
66. marisacat - 15 May 2008

a bit of a round up piece on the SSM ruling, which is due tomorrow at 10 am

67. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008
68. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008
69. marisacat - 15 May 2008

Life is hard:

At 6:45 this evening, John Edwards strode on stage at the Van Andel Arena in Grand Rapids to the sounds of Bruce Springsteen’s “The Rising.” “The reason I am here tonight is because the Democratic voters of America have made their choice,” he said. “And so have I.” His choice? Judging by all the “Change You Can Believe in Signs” shimmering in the crowd—and the lanky black guy standing with him onstage—it was (drumroll, please) Barack Obama. Henceforth, the heavens opened, the American people wept and Chris Matthews began to prattle endlessly about how Edwards will help Obama win over those stubborn “white, working-class voters” who’ve been bedeviling him in the primaries.

The frantic coverage is a given. But will the Edwards endorsement actually change anything? It’s unlikely—and the reason is timing. If the former North Carolina senator had taken a real risk and sided with the Illinois senator back when someone not named “Barack Obama” had even the remotest chance of clinching the nomination—say, before Super Tuesday, or Ohio, or even Indiana—he might have helped his blue-collar base overcome its suspicions, vote for his chosen candidate and bring this interminable battle to an end. ::snip::

70. Hair Club for Men - 15 May 2008

34. But the RNC convention should be exciting for you.. with Ron Paul on the scene again.

The blimp sailed off into the sunset months ago.

71. Hair Club for Men - 15 May 2008

Just curious. Is “Miss Devore” banned here or not?

72. NYCO - 15 May 2008

A subtext I don’t think people are getting with the heartrending photos and stories of the Chinese parents looking for their buried children is China’s one-child policy. I don’t know if it’s still really in effect, but I have read quotes from parents saying “my only child is gone…”

73. Hair Club for Men - 15 May 2008

Is Miss Devore banned here?

The amount of drama taking place between Obama and Clinton supporters (and people who claim to be neither) seems a bit silly to me.

But I guess I’m not getting it.

74. wu ming - 15 May 2008

that’s a good point, NYCO. as if it weren’t horrible enough…

75. AlanSmithee - 15 May 2008

Does Obama need the jewish vote? Is Obama pandering to jewish voters? Gosh, beats me.

76. marisacat - 15 May 2008

Two of HCfM out of moderation…


As to your question, LOL I gather you did not read Donkeytale diary…he’ll be hurt.


LOL smithee

It would seem Barack is conflicted… perhaps some daisy petal pulling while going back and forth,

Do I love the Jews

Do I not love the Jews…

(or the reverse)

Who knows…. 8)


77. marisacat - 15 May 2008

SSM in the CA SC

The ban has been struck down.

78. bayprairie - 15 May 2008

here’s a story i didn’t see reported at duncan black’s blaggh. online donks fuck over independent media for “hope”.

A few weeks ago, Media Matters’ David Brock announced to great fanfare that he was taking over Progressive Media USA, a third-party group that would, he vowed, raise $40 million for ads to soften up John McCain in advance of the general election.

Now the group is quietly shuttering those efforts with barely a whimper.

Barack Obama’s fundraising team has been quietly putting out word to major donors that they didn’t want any money to go to such third-party groups. Instead, they wanted the cash to go to the Obama campaign, so Obama advisers could be in sole control of the campaign’s message.

79. marisacat - 15 May 2008

California Supreme Court overturns gay marriage ban

Thursday, May 15, 2008

(05-15) 10:10 PDT San Francisco (AP) —

The California Supreme Court has overturned a ban on gay marriage, paving the way for California to become the second state where gay and lesbian residents can marry.

The case involved a series of lawsuits seeking to overturn a voter-approved law that defines marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

With the ruling, California could become the second state after Massachusetts where gay and lesbian residents can marry.

“What happens in California, either way, will have a huge impact around the nation. It will set the tone,” said Geoffrey Kors, executive director of the gay rights group Equality California.

California already offers same-sex couples who register as domestic partners the same legal rights and responsibilities as married spouses, including the right to divorce and to sue for child support. It’s therefore unclear what additional relief state lawmakers could offer short of marriage if the court renders the existing ban unconstitutional.

A coalition of religious and social conservative groups is attempting to put a measure on the November ballot that would enshrine California’s current laws banning gay marriage in the state. ::snip::

80. marisacat - 15 May 2008


I laughed when all of this began rolling out… I guess a few days ago…

Some groups indicate they are immune to the BO dictate.

81. bayprairie - 15 May 2008

one would suppose obama would welcome attacks against mccain. maybe he doesn’t trust the nutroots. or perhaps he’ll end up controlling the message while spending december ’08 at the beach. wonder if he’ll be appearing at yearlykos?

82. marisacat - 15 May 2008

well months ago… it was before Edwards dropped out, I posted here that Obama was asked, if you are complaining (and he was) about Edwards third party groups, how do you plan to fight McCain in the fall… it was a voter at a Q&A

he asnwered that he hoped he and McCain could come to an agreement as to what was “permissable”.

I laughed my head off then — and now.

And of course right now the R are generating headlines about “Woe is us! We failed FAILED! with our third try to bracket Obama with Wright based ads… we MUST, simply must rethink”.

More and more it seems to me obamaRama is revving up for a runway show… and not a hell bent for leather race. And that would be so strange for the Dems. You know so strong!

83. marisacat - 15 May 2008

I think the nutroots is the least of it. Apparently he considers a lot of those groups too aligned to Clinton.

Then of course he could be more than a usual case subversive… perhaps a Trojan Horse bearing cruise missiles.

Since it is all grist for the mill… and I don’t care what happens, in any real way, to Obama, his run or the pathetic party:


84. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008

79. California Supreme Court overturns gay marriage ban

Good stuff.

85. wilfred - 15 May 2008

Yeah California!!!!

86. mattes - 15 May 2008

When it rains it pours:

Neo-cons still running the show, with help from Sheldon Adelson. Beware false flag incidents!

87. JJB - 15 May 2008

I must say, that PFF donkeytale thread is the most idiotic diaglogue I can remember reading on a political website, a very large statement indeed.

John McCain has apparently decided that insisting on an open-ended commitment to war in Iraq is a bad idea:

Senator John McCain declared on Thursday that most American troops will be home from Iraq by 2013 and that Iraq will be a functioning democracy with only “spasmodic’’ episodes of violence, a striking departure from his refusal so far to set a date for U.S. withdrawal.

In a speech in the heart of Ohio, a major battleground state in the fall election, Mr. McCain set forth a sweeping, extraordinarily positive vision of what the world will look like 2013, when he says he will have been in the White House for four years.

“By January 2013, America has welcomed home most of the servicemen and women who have sacrificed terribly so that America might be secure in her freedom,’’ Mr. McCain said at the Columbus Convention Center. “The Iraq War has been won. Iraq is a functioning democracy, although still suffering from the lingering effects of decades of tyranny and centuries of sectarian tension. Violence still occurs, but it is spasmodic and much reduced.”

The United States, Mr. McCain added, “maintains a military presence there, but a much smaller one, and it does not play a direct combat role.’’

During his primary battle, Mr. McCain frequently accused Mitt Romney of setting a timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq, a charge Mr. Romney denied.

In comments to reporters after his speech, Mr. McCain insisted that his speech should not be interpreted as setting a date for withdrawal, and that he was simply projecting victory in Iraq. He took issue with a reporter who characterized his speech as a “magic carpet ride,’’ saying: “I don’t think it has anything to do with fantasy, I think it has everything to do with setting goals and achieving.’’

Needless to say, lots of other wonderful things will happen too as long as he’s elected President.

88. marisacat - 15 May 2008

I think when Kristol advances (?) to the NYT and Rove has a regular column in Newsqueak… the Neocons are not and likely will not be gone.

89. marisacat - 15 May 2008

LOL some pinched and frantic faces appearing to denounce the ruling…

what a hoot!

90. JJB - 15 May 2008

Think I’m in moderation.

91. marisacat - 15 May 2008


Jsut saw this from Ambinder, an Atlantic article. It seems rather opaque on what Obama plans to do. Othr than “harness” the power of the web. ?? Or, Ambinder declines to say much that is clear…

92. marisacat - 15 May 2008

JJB out of moderation! Sorry….


93. marisacat - 15 May 2008


the foundational basis for the ruling is the right to form a family.


94. cad - 15 May 2008

Has Obama ever posted on DK? I think he knows better actually.

95. JJB - 15 May 2008

One of the comments in that link I posted w/r/t McCain’s rosy predictions of what four years of his presidency will bring says “Will there be flying cars by then?” That’s about all there is to say, really.

96. bayprairie - 15 May 2008

obama should take advantage of a media group with 60 million dollars thats distanced from his campaign. mccain could, and should, be swift boated if for no other reason than to let the opposition enjoy some of their own medicine. i read a story which stated that somewhere in the bowels of washington, (and vietnam i would assume) are 31 some odd propaganda films he made for the vietnamese condemning american foreign policy during his captivity. i’ve read elsewhere that mccain didnt lose one aircraft, he lost five, and had a bad reputation among his fellow pilots.

i’ve also read that that that the shoot down that led to his captivity occured after a bombing run, during daylight, that was a strike against a light bulb factory in which most of the production positions were held by women. i read they were working that day and the strike was successful.

obama going to sit on that? well hello president mccain!

97. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008

Obama religious pics: I hadn’t noticed at first glance but he seems to be standing in front of a stained-glass black Jesus giving a black power-type salute who’s wearing a Lance Armstrong bracelet. 😉

Not quite sure who the targeted audience is there.

98. marisacat - 15 May 2008


Obama won’t do anything about the bombing run. At all. Where are the calls for his medical reports?

You know Obama only declines support for “dumb” wars. And so many loved Kerry and his salute! Who stayed longer in one village to make sure he and his buddy destroyed the rice stores. A bit of flaming rice hit his arm.. and that was a purple heart. (No I did not get that from the swift boaters, hold the emails)

Oh no … the fellow running for pretzeldent who wishes to ignore Pakistan borders will nto be calling out that sick old garrulous fool on his bombing run. Not as we fund the bombers of today.

99. lucid - 15 May 2008

94 – yes he did after the Alito appointment & got jumped upon by legions of pwoggies.

100. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008

94. Has Obama ever posted on DK?

Yes – and he was rejected and denounced.

101. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008

Needless to say, lots of other wonderful things will happen too as long as he’s elected President.

Will everybody get a pony? That’s what I want to know.

102. lucid - 15 May 2008

100 – jinx

103. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008


lucid, if you get a pony from McCain, can I go for a little ride?

104. lucid - 15 May 2008

anytime catnip… but what if I get a pony from buhdydrahma?

105. marisacat - 15 May 2008

he did a diary in 05. I had been banned so I posted at LSF and BMT…


RecordKeeper comment, near the bottom is absolutely on target.

106. wu ming - 15 May 2008

that was a fantastic ruling, very clear and broadly written. i don ‘t think the right can roll it back this november. i think we’ve beat them.

107. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008

104. Just say no to faux ponies. Yell louder!

108. ms_xeno - 15 May 2008


Paging ms x.

I’m in the yard digging up violet seedlings/offshoots for a plant swap this weekend. Apparently I’ve missed another huge eruption in Blogland, yes ?

As I keep telling people, I’m not getting into protracted fisticuffs, verbal or otherwise, over Obama or Clinton or anyone this time. I meet a lot of people in Blogland who have very admirable qualities. I will never meet Obama or Clinton and do not concern myself with their qualities;I figure their very status up near the top of the food chain is testimony enough to the fact that they can’t have very many things happening that I’d admire.

Here. Everyone grow some damn violets and sit in the shade drinking some ice water and just relax, awready.

109. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008

108. What-evah! I just want macaroons. Hand ’em over! (please?) 😉

And I’d be out planting violets if I was sure we wouldn’t get more fucking snow and if I wasn’t moving in a month. So there!

(love ya) 🙂

110. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008

I’m not seeing any macaroons coming my way yet…hint hint. Pony up!

111. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008

CREW and VoteVets release email telling VA staff to “refrain from giving a diagnosis of PTSD straight out”

How outrageous – refusing to properly diagnose vets because the VA doesn’t have the time to do the testing. They obviously don’t understand that PTSD can be a matter of life and death if it’s not properly diagnosed and treated. Unbelievable.

112. ms_xeno - 15 May 2008

Sorry, catnip. I blew all the macaroon money on slug beer and tickets to Was (Not Was). I posted it to my homepage, so don’t act like I led you all on or something. :p

113. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008

112. I’ll forgive you – this time.

Slugs drink beer?

114. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008

Biden blows a gasket – again. Let’s play Who’s the Best Zionist?

115. marisacat - 15 May 2008

my slugs never responded to beer.

And the salt routine I just never tried. What I finally did… and thankfully there seem to be few to none the last few years.. was collect them, each into a baggie and dropped into the big outside garbage bin.

116. ms_xeno - 15 May 2008

I use the slug control method described here. A single-serving yogurt container, with its cover, is a great beer bath for slugs. But you have to be diligent and change the beer a lot. Don’t like poisons, and the iron oxide (non-toxic) pellets never seemed to work as well as the beer does.

117. liberalcatnip - 15 May 2008

Oh, okay. That kind of slug beer. I’ve only seen a few slugs in my many gardening adventures so they haven’t been an issue.

118. marisacat - 15 May 2008

nu thred


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