Gas 23 May 2008
Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.trackback
Indonesian taxi drivers face higher fuel costs after the government announced that heavily subsidised prices would have to rise in response to soaring oil prices. [AP via BBC]
I was wandering thru the BBC pics… and this taxi had some moxie. Attitude… animation. And, you know, gas… gas … gas.
San Francisco officially over $4
Enjoy…
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Maybe that’s subsidized gasoline from Tio Hugo. I’m OK with it.
yeah I have no problem with subsidised gas. Esp in any country with little or no transportation infrastructure.
Trucker rallyon the (New York State) Northway today. Glens Falls Post-Star:
But can congress charge the CEOs of oil companies with using steroids.. and can a low life trash-ass bad actor turn states evidence…
May they all congeal.
Someone should listen to the truckers… but I am unsure who will….
Again, a West Coast worker strike, building off the dock workers… maybe someday.
Remember when they laughed at Jerome a Paris?
With $150 a barrel the next major milepost, and rumbling drumrolls for $200 already mainstreaming, underway, things really do seem to be accelerating.
Saw some article detailing dawning panic in the SUV sales lots somewhere today. That sure as hell took a while.
Like everybody’s a trucker.
hmm everyone i knew who bought a Prius/other, did so in 2000/02… roughly in there… and iirc there was a tax credit as well. Not too shabby.
My SIL is a “cable guy,” and the gasoline expense for his work truck is now at $180 a week. The truckers are fighting for their very survival — and by extension, ours.
But never mind crying over spilt gas and split families, not when we can cry over Olbermann hyperventilating about Hillary instead.
Makes a timely diversion, doesn’t it?
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yes precisely what it was… highly orchestrated. You can always tell when they light a match on a line of gas drool.
CRose has the Fed Ex guy on… first conversation, price of oil/gas
Almost forgot – everybody’s a steer-wrangler, too.
Not to mention Jesus!
But right after Katrina, in the mini-spike (to today’s prices) that I think they’re still “investigating,” some highly rueful dude offered to trade me his shiny-red, utterly empty, yet super-sized pick-up, at the pump. Only half-joking about the trade for a (then) 11-yr-old Toyota.
The things ordinary people drive around here are ridiculous, even given the weather.
7. not when we can cry over Olbermann hyperventilating about Hillary instead.
Obama must be so proud of them.
well we (my childhood family, I don’t drive) always had VW bugs… and an old 4 door MG roadster. I never felt unsafe in the bugs and the mileage in the 60s was 27 – 32 depending…
But LONG long long commutes got to be common in this area even 20 years ago. How on earth people who came into SF every day from outskirts of Sacramento (really ramped up in the mid late 90s) are holding up, I don’t know.
I have no idea the mileage of a big SUV a Tahoe or Suburban or whatever…
Working trucks…
And don’t get me started on what the pick-up or SUV installment payments already do to their prospects and options in life.
Just getting to the Sun-Sentinel
You know the world has turned upside down when Power Line seems to be a voice of sanity.
14. Moses, MLK, JFK. All things to all people. Hallelujah.
Kanjorski Caught On Tape Saying Dems Oversold Ability To End Iraq War
A voice in the wilderness…
hmmm Angry Arab had an extended phone conversation with Kucinich. Sad, there is no where for him to go but hold onto his seat in the House.
San Francisco “liberal” talk radio tonight sounds just like Rush. Or Savage Nation. Or Hannity. or any quacking duck on acid.
Hey go for it.
re; 123 and 124 last thread. im not sure what that afhgan squeeze box is. but how lovely, even if half seems missing! haven’t seen anything one squeezes played flat like that.
it isn’t a Bayan. its not a Trekzak. not an Accordeon, Accordian nor an Akkordeon
doesn’t come close to a concertina. only slightly resembles a Dragspel or a fisarmonica.
its too big to be a garmon or an Organetto or a Pedalowka
and it isn’t possibly a Schwyzerorgeli
or a Zieharmonika
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afghanistan is too far away for it to have been made in beaumont. or played much in church point, louisiana.
yet in a comforting kind of way they all sound a little bit like home.
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this is completely OT… but there are just so many fundamentally mean people in my life right now. Yet they’re my friends, or roomates, or…
I know I’m a magnet for, well, repulsing magnets, but it fucking tires me out. I’m the eternal diplomat, peacemaker, negotiator… and it makes me want to sleep. For a long fucking time.
I’ve been this for a couple decades. I don’t know how, why. Why am I the mute matter which conducts invective between exceedingly nasty parties?
Why do I tolerate individuals’ bile for the world and somehow transfer that to my own failings?
Why are my friends so fucking disfunctional?
I work doing paper shuffling for a small fabrication company. Hard to think of a better place to study Capitalism 101 when you’re an amateur.
2-3 fuel companies to deal with, fuel costs at least in the neighborhood of ten grand a month. Heavy equipment has to move back and forth somehow and it’s not going to move without gas. The suppliers of metal, tools and everything else keep raising their rates because they can’t move a thing without gas, either. Those fuel bills get paid before anything no matter how bad the month is, because if the field crew is out on the road with a company charge card and the line of credit is exhausted, well– where are you then ?
We just switched insurance companies at the controller’s urging so we could get lower service fees and a higher deductable for the employees. Cut corners everywhere else to keep the fuel coming in. What else can you do ? Well, I guess the big guys could take a pay cut, but we’ve all been through 101, so we know that’s probably not on the agenda.
bayprairie, I found a treasure trove of Uyghur, Turk, Kahzak, Afghan, etc. sound just by typing “dutar” into the search engine of Youtube. I have a CD bought used at a benefit sale for KBOO last summer, The Red Rose. A China-based ensemble playing traditional Uyghur music, and that gourd-shaped string instrument with the long neck, the dutar, had several solos pieces on the disc. So I took it from there. Glad you enjoyed that.
I love that Louisiana sound, too. Have some Beausoleil, some of the Ardoin clan, the Cheniers, the Balfas, the Magnolia Sisters and a Canray Fontenot cd (the last from Goodwill). Can’t get enough of it.
Geeky But Intriguing Uyghur Music Article here.
lucid, around here everyone would be nursing silent, passive-aggressive vendettas against each other because that’s how we do it in the glorious West. Maybe you just need to abdicate the mediation job and get out of town for a week, if you can afford it.
I’d love to tell you that it’s just because you’re in show biz, but I’ve seen ridiculous stare downs and choked, snarly arguments at work over the dumbest shit you can imagine– especially since they moved me to the front office where ducking out is pretty much not an option.
My sincere condolences.
lucid – Are your friends human beings? As we all know, the species doesn’t alway behave very well under stress. :< Look after yourself with the care you’d give to that guitar, eh?
catnip from last thread – gorgeous torched cheesecake! With lavender, yet.
bayprairie – Thanks for the squeezebox round-up and morning tunes! After some more Googling around, I think the portable reed organ in question is a type of harmonium (a.k.a. harmonya) common in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India. (Apparently the instrument was originally introduced by Hindustani musicians; much later, the Russky army brought regular accordions to the region, too.) BBC story about an Afghan harmonium player here. More about Afghan musical traditions at Radio Free Europe.
Poor ticket sales, expected protests scuttle Bush-McCain fundraiser at Phoenix Convention Center
Mr. Fish
Democracy and deference
The War Over Michelle Obama
I was in a cab last year that had interesting music – reminded me of a mix between Ukrainian and Middle Eastern. Turned out that it was Croatian. A nice change.
listening to my liszt again instead of of checking it.
dam!
and how about the complete meltdown in the media, old, new and nutter. full blown martha stewart!
26 – Someone should niche-market a cardio-respiratory exercise tape just for bloggers.
Well, it ain’t C or W, but one DKosser has put up a diary titled “Definition of Hillary Clinton = Ignorant Bitch w/poll.”
Apparently she has burned a hole in the consciousnes [sic] of the US, and a new genre of literature will shortly arise to address her lack of honor, etcetera.
The poll is instructive:
Oops . . . admins must have administered. Title’s got the asterisk treatment now, and the tags have switched to “Hillary, misogyny.” No clean-up option on poll responses, kids?
“Ignorant Bitch with poll” in moderation.
Sounds like the Santa Cruz wildfire is still going strong, and has crossed into Santa Clara County. Hope you’re not too badly affected by the haze, Mcat.
KO must be stroking himself to the weeping of the drama-queen Kossacks. What a pompous ass he’s become.
Not all the sheeple there are on the wailing wall:
Get a Grip (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:
alt hitman
Keith Olbermann is perilously close to jumping the shark. His outrage is about HIM and his desire to be the center of attention.
Yeah, HRC’s comments were bizarre, but Obama’s going to take this thing, so why the histrionics from everyone?
::scratching my head on this one::
by beckperson on Sat May 24, 2008 at 09:33:10 AM PDT
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yea what you said (0+ / 0-)
I don’t get it either? huge Obama fan here, occasional KO fan, not liking HRC these days etc, but this diary has me utterly confused. Your comment and DreadWolf’s above sum it up neatly for me. “why am i crying”?? more like “why am i cringing.”
+halfway between Beware and Crime+
by alt hitman on Sat May 24, 2008 at 10:14:07 AM PDT
7: moiv, that’s quite a diary. More wretched writing I have seldom seen:
Don’tcha just hate it when the underbelly seeps through? It’s so embarrassing.
Get back where you belong, you uppity underbelly!
Get thee a girdle, Hillary!
Beat me to it, guys, I was going to tell bay it looks like an Indian/Pakistani harmonium.
Speaking of Croatian music, here are a few very good friends and drinking buddies of mine from Slovenia, playing in Mexico recently. I’m going to see them this weekend in NYC. Lucid will remember them – except for the drummer, who just joined the band. The tempestuous violinist is Bosnian.
Well, this is embarassing. One of my posts is in spam, but I can’t tell which one. Probably the one with the Uyghur music link.
[sticks a pitcher of sangria in the fridge for when Mcat gets back]
All praise to IB for the musical knowledge, and to cad for his iron stomach. Etc.
Meanwhile, here in the land where it’s all fun all the time, Ex-Cop Lindsay Hunt is quite understandably not happy.
Hunt’s erstwhile buddies in blue respond in the paper’s follow-up.
Sorry for the delay…
Madman out of Spam and Moderation…
Intermittent Bystander out of Moderation
ms xeno out of Moderation…
and Heather-Rose out of moderation.
Sorry! they languished so long~
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Striking live tornado video from OK on CNN.
33. she has burned a hole in the consciousnes [sic] of the US
Sucks when that happens, doesn’t it?
Thanks, Mcat.
catnip, if you only knew. Mine makes this horrid whistling noise whenever I’m outside in a slight breeze, but I can’t afford a doctor’s visit. Stuffing gauze in the Consciousnes hole is unsanitary and not advised by professionals.
Fuckin’ Clintons. They’re always doing this sort of thing.
What’s hilarious about the responses to that “Ignorant Bitch” diary is that people are calling for it to be deleted and apparently the user is now banned, but it’s okay to have a rec list full of diaries saying that she wants Obama assassinated. Look no further for the rabbit hole.
43. Maybe Kotex has a suitable product?
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The Summit Wildfire
well the haze did make it up here… but I have all sorts of eye drops and nasal saline solution at hand anyway… so we just snuffle thru.
Seems the fire will be tough to control… last I heard barely 30% controlled, it has burned 5 miles. Old growth redwood among what went. It trickled out early, VERY early – first morning – that it started at the site of a controlled sanctioned burn… an area of land that was OK’d to be cleared, and neighbors had noticed a series of clearings and burns with notices pinned up to trees. Have nto caught a report on examination of dates permits were issued… but that is another slow burn ready to blow. No one has died, but so far 17 homes or structures went…
They say the vegetation has a moisture of 6% so it was beyond tinder dry.
Very depressing this early…
I noticed from aerial shots that some homes did sit in an obvious clearing… but a lot of homes had vegetation right up to the house. This year I would be afraid of that up on mountainsides, in canyons … if I lived at the end of a small twisty road.
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oh not to worry… one caller to “liberal” talk radio, which was its own burning raging fire last night in SF, said she killed John Kennedy jr.
I mean, the Clintons have done so much, that they really did do… one hardly has to fabricate.
Lovely,
gas is $4.05 at the cheapest station for unleaded in davis, diesel’s pushing $5. do those road trips now, folks, this is the good ol days of cheap gas, compared to where it’s headed. congress can’t legislate or sue more oil into existence.
funny to see that pict6ure from indonesia. must be in jakarta. in yogyakarta, in ’97, most people just used becak, the indonesian version of the cyclo or pedal rickshaw.
hopefully those make a comeback stateside, it’s far better than using gas to move 3,000 pounds of metal just to move a person.
Ignorant Bitch Poll update:
true 105 65%
false 40 25%
no such thing as igno bitches happy joy joy 15 9&
More than half of those votes were cast after the tags changed to indicate the diarist was banned.
43 – Once again, I renew my resolve to refrain from complaining about blizzards.
Big fire in the Everglades, too . . . almost 40K acres burned since May 14, and the fire only 85% contained as of yesterday.
44 – Revisionist was posting dark, unsourced hints about Clinton connections to small plane crash deaths yesterday, up to and including Wellstone, I think.
well I think the heaviest thing on that cab is the baling wire. Or adhesive tape. But it chugs on.
gas in SF hit 4.07 this week, for regular…
Big fire in the Everglades, too . . . almost 40K acres burned since May 14, and the fire only 85% contained as of yesterday.
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I get the feeling this, Summit Fire, will burn on for a while too… they showed hot spots licking back up to flames in scorched areas. I had not heard of the Everglades fire. What a shame.
Not only Revisionist but PJ as well. Denali seems quite the little shit kicker.
Quite the posse over there. To say nothing of “Zapbruder” … a seeming reverie on the metaphorical head shot.
All of that will burn on.
The reaction to this seems very organised. I noticed some MSM commentary that it kicked up and spread fast. Well DUH.
Blog Snots love a fresh kill.
Has there been a sighting of the C*** word for Hillary yet? Maybe there has.. I just haven’t been looking.
I’m thoroughly disgusted by this misogyny.
CSTAR
well that is the thing. I expect politics, especially the Super Bowl, the run for the presidency, to be fraught, nasty, hell bent for leather. Blood in the streets.
And over and over if you point something out about sheer rolling hatred of women, well then you are fingered… you are FOR Hillary.
which I am not. I so wish the Clintons had never appeared on the political landscape, but they did. I can ovte for neither HIllary nor Barack, but I can SEE the attraction of both.
The sheer hatred went way beyond Hillary… and I thnk she was prepared for it, frankly. It comes iwth the territory.
Clearly racism has to remain coded, stealthily crafted and carefully apologised for, etc. it is its own game and I would never say the Clintons did not race bait. They did.
But not sexism and hatred of women – no need to apologise. Just claim it is not there, then do more. Lay it out and keep moving. Lay out more.
I did notice.
BTW, this gave me a real laugh during the night. ”Obama must now mend broken hearts”, by Tilove … it is via RCP but he writes for Newhouse News.
Good luck chuck. He wrote that before this latest wham bam no thank you ma’am
thanks to everyone for all the fascinating youtube/musical links! im having fun with that today as well as last night. i’m really enjoying it.
later!
as far as this goes
what goes around comes around and all that. obama hasn’t cleared the media gauntlet by any means, and i’m assuming that some is being held back for when he’s the solitary target. i hope the boyos recall the vigor with which they apply the lash when it falls on them.
in case they don’t i’m saving links.
54. ”Obama must now mend broken hearts”
He will be greeted with flowers and candy as the true liberator he really is. 😉
Cheney’s going-away present
Banished From Home
I have to say, I dislike Hillary but this “faux pas” scandal is just insane bullshit.
I glanced through some of the commentary at DailyWhacKos and was overwhelmed by the misogyny, thinly veiled and not so thinly veiled.
Interesting how so many of the slams focus on her supposed “crazed lust for power”. That wouldn’t be a big issue if she were a man. If you’re a man, like, say, Donald Trump, being a combative domineering alpha is perfectly A-OK. So are the verbal miscues. They go with the testosterone territory,
In more cheerful news, apparently Jesse Ventura is considering running. A friend told me he said something about it on Charlie Rose the other night. I’ve tried to find the clip on video but haven’t found it yet. But I did find this. See it – Jesse is great.
Jesse was my governor and I admired a lot he said and did. He has his flaws, but he’s smart and he speaks his mind. If he ran it would be a Good Thing. It would scare the shit out of all the right kinds of people.
LOL GO JESSE!
Early in his tenure as governor, Jesse set much of the MN political establishment a-twitter because he asked for a salary for his wife, as Minnesota’s First Lady. (his wife was an extremely reluctant First Lady – she, like Jesse, never expected that he would ever get elected, and she had her own business running a riding stable.) He said something like,”Well, what if someday you elect a WOMAN governor, would you demand that her husband, who would probably have a professional career, quit his job for four years and host parties for free?”
When I heard that, I literally leaped and danced around the room, singing for joy.
Thank the Goddess that SOMEBODY has the courage to say this stuff.
For what it is worth, which is little to nothing…. First Read tracked the first reference to political assassination, specifically to RFK as it happens, voiced during this run…
And you know, the 40th anniversary to the day is coming. But of course that means it could NEVER be subliminally on the minds of people who were alive then, and political.
Oh no.
I am personally sick of all memorial days. ALL OF THEM. Geesh fraught with bathos. Bathing in old blood. It has lost all significance.
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have you looked at the Charlie Rose site? Think it is http://CharlieRose.com
They usually put up the vid or portions of the appearance – pretty quickly…
U.S. Fourth Fleet in Venezuelan Waters
New US gunboat “diplomacy” in moderation/spam.
California GOP: The Queer Enablers of Gay Marriage
Well Seib of the WSJ says we must salute Arnold and Bloomberg, they have found the Independent way.
yeah right. Luv all the excavating for New Politics
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sorry for the delay… I fell prey to pangs of hunger.
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it’s the story of the times … and the donks play into it.
Madman, I need a 5,000,000,000,000,000 word essay from you called “Why People Shouldn’t Vote For Obama.” Have it typed, double-spaced, on vellum with a leather cover, and laden with snappy graphics and neatly high-lighted future soundbites no later than 8 AM PST Monday.
Don’t look at me like that. And that goes for all the rest of this blog, since I know that every last one of you not only voted for Nader every year starting in 1976, but that you also all plan to vote for him again and after he dies you’ll still be writing him in. Admit it. Furthermore I know that you each have a huge poster of him over your kitchen table and a big mosaic of him in your herb garden. Oh, and also you all smell.
If you really care about America, you’ll drop everything and pour all your time and energy into explaining to me why I shouldn’t vote for Obama.
So get to it.
Thanks MCat, I checked the Charlie Rose site and found nothing, then it occurred to me to search YouTube for Larry King, and there it was. Unfortunately, seeing the clips. I found that Jesse was talking about running for Senate in MN, not President. But that’s a good thing too – better him than Al Franken.
The lady who told me about it is in her 70s and doesn’t pay a lot of attention to TV, so I forgive her for giving me garbled info.
Here are the clips:
Part 1
Part 2
Gotta love what Jesse says:
“if there’s anyone who can blow the election, it will be the Democrats”
and: there’s no party for those who are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Both the Republicans and the Democrats have left us behind. The current “Libertarian”, Bob Barr, is not pro-choice and libertarians are supposed to be pro-choice, as Jesse is.
The Dems, Rangel and some shmoe, present blathering drivel in response. No mention of pro-choice. Ha ha, what a surprise.
I can’t find Part 3, which hopefully shows Ventura taking on some Republicans.
Strange days when a theatrical pro wrestler is a spokesman for choice while the Dems ignore it.
well Arnold has shown how easy it is to play everyone. From the t-shirted mobs that cheered his thugs and him on when he and the Right Wingers staged the Recall… to playing his own party, the other party, the media, the punditshitcrap that pretends to be human… and so on.
Absolute shame. I’d never vote for a party – or their burnt offerings – that facilitated Arnold.
Here’s the promised Part 3. It’s a threesome between Michael Reagan and Katrina van den Heuvel, playing the poiitical hacks, and Jesse. Some good moments from Jesse. Ka van den H is a total idiot. Great to know that she is what passes as a leading light of liberalism.
well Jesse should run for senator.. Franken has never managed to really hit any sort of mark and since the revelations about taxes and whatever, Coleman, who truly deserves to be brought down, is gaining. last I heard the DemFarmLabor had not yet actually sorted it out and nominated anyone… There was a lesser light cannot think of his name, who Franken’s notoriety overshadowed earlier on.
I hope Jesse gets in…
Oh, watching him slap around Reagan and van den Heuvel was good fun.
bayprairie, #55:
thanks to everyone for all the fascinating youtube/musical links! im having fun with that today as well as last night. i’m really enjoying it…
I was gonna’ tell you the same thing this morning. That was an amazing world buffet of squeeze box music. Already knew about Rosie Ledet, but it may have been you who told me about her last year, or someone else here. My memory is awful.
On some of the dutar links, I swear I can hear the seeds of everything from bluegrass to cantorial singing to Scottish reels. I have a voracious, if totally unschooled, appetite for music.
Here’s some pipa and frame drum, just to add to the chaos.
😉
70 – since I’m an irrational nader lover, I don’t need to explain anything, since plainly I’m stupid, deluded and don’t know Black Jeebus when He’s slathering Hope and Change all over me like fine oil.
The Hounding
OK, Jesse convinced me, I’m voting “None Of The Above”. Move over on that third-party sofa, you Naderites 🙂
The hell with these machine politicians. I’m tired of the charade.
Seeing Jesse with Rangel and the other jerk put me over the edge.
welcome to the outer darkness, HRH.
76 – ms x, have you heard Accordion Tribe? My fave quintet of eccentric accordion virtuosi. No YouTube clip as yet, but this album is a must.
They’ll have to clean up after the fire first.
I tripped into an article a few years ago on the Selma Montgomery march, Pettus Bridge and so on. Maybe it was 2005, 40 years. Anyway…. the quotes from Rangel must have happened at a weak unprotected moment, no handlers around to girdle the slab up.
He said as a young Dem politician he had been sent down to march in it. All he knew was his feet hurt and he had no idea the why of any of it.
Well. I stood back and took a walk around the house. FU. And FU again.
This was no coddled middle class 20 year old, first time out of Harlem. He had served in Korea (which he likes to remind us) — years before…
Oh I was appalled.
And I was reminded of a friend of mine in the 70s… The children more often than not ended up with maternal grandmother who had an old frame farm house and some land in Riverside Co, down in So California. My friend was light skinned, two brothers were as pale as I am … she told me once her grandmother would get on the porch with a broom or whatever long handled anything she coudl grab and BEAT BACK the local NAACP officials who of course wanted her grand children for the annual float. And she’d tell them off too, don’t come gunning for the palest kids in the county. They’d retreat… Oh now now. Mizz Ector… we just stopped by to say hello.
So much so rigged.
Screw everybody.
70. a big mosaic of him in your herb garden.
Busted. Damn you Google Earth!
for an interesting blog about xinjiang in general, but which has occasional links to some good uighur music, check out the opposite end of china. i think the guy may have recently moved to beijing, or will be moving there shortly, but he’s a good source on all things xinjiang (and had some of the better images of the tibetan riots when they first started up).
as far as i’m concerned, if arnold dropped off the face of the earth it wouldn’t be a moment too soon, but i’ll give him his due credit if he does anything to push back on the constitutional amendment. this really is about the last chance in CA (sadly, a long way in the nation still) for the wingnuts to pass that sort of thing in a general election. they lost the past 3 (IIRC) parental notification on abortion initiatives, even in places like placer county, and gay marriage is really moving into the realm of the mundane as the kids shift into the electorate.
if that bastard can do his share (IF), then he’ll have done one good thing in office. should be interesting to see who lifts a finger, him or the state dems.
as for hillary, i’ll be the contrarian tonight and say that i thought that RFK comment was a wretched dog whistle, and she deserves all the vitriol she’s getting on it. gaffes are a sort of bullshit DC game to play (it’s the straight up statements that are usually the more offensive anyways), but she’s been saying this on and off for a while, and it’s ghoulish. granted, there’s a lot of inexcusable misogyny in the way that people voice their rage at her, but the comment itself is pretty wretched.
well then as a commenter somewhere in the sludge called political blahgs suggested, she should be “taken into a room and grilled by the Secret Service as to what she intended”. And I will add, censure her in the senate.
Get it over with. Take it where it leads.
photos from bankrupt offices
This gave me a laugh. I hope it is text that lost its way on the route to The Onion.
well, my take on the RFK thing … I’m sick of her willingness to say almost anything in service of her ambition, and equally sick of his UNwillingness to say anything real in service of his.
I’m sick of her willingness to say almost anything in service of her ambition, and equally sick of his UNwillingness to say anything real in service of his.
Wow! Great summary, suitable for framing.
STILL in search of laughs…
My take on Clinton’s RFK comment: She’s either inexcusably vicious or inexcusably dumb. (Dumb not to know that even an innocent comment like that, in this climate that she allowed her party and all the rabble therein to whip to a boiling point, is just a call for havoc. Does she really not know what time it is? Possibly.)
89 – hear, hear.
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It is hard to miss, absent a deliberate decision not to notice — one which most have taken.
Of all the ugliness laid out before us so far, this has been the most toxic, seeping into the groundwater of our national unconscious to poison the political viability of every woman who comes after.
It’s enough to make me hope that Clinton does take it all the way to Denver, and brings down the roof of the temple.
“He found a fresh jawbone of a donkey, so he reached out and took it and killed a thousand men with it.”
As I’ve read somewhere or other, may they all congeal.
my my my. so obama gave his speech in front of the miami ethnic cuban supporters of Luis Posada Carriles?
nice catch.
Yeah, I’d read that Baraquito really wowed ’em in Miami. Reckon Ileana R-L invited him back to the house afterward for mojitos?
from
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boston.com called it “Latino Outreach”.
LOL well Boston is a long way from So Florida… and the frictions from new arrivals, new mixes and alliances within the broader Latino community.
”left i…” is a great spot.
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well if she did, and he accepted, i wouldn’t hesitate to say that obama spreads his legs for the wrong people.
there really isn’t much light between him and the others, at all. just a different public face. unfortunately only dogs hear the dog whistle.
Boston is a long way from So Florida
Everywhere is a long way from everywhere. I get some of my biggest and bitterest laughs from “progressive” pontifications about that totally imaginary construct, the broader Latino community.
NY boricuas, DC salvadoreños, Florida cubanos and border state mexicanos often have little in common beyond surnames of Hispanic origin.
Geography is such a bitch. 😉
well from what I observed, the newer arrivals, often from So America and elsewhere, look askance at the way only old Cubans or the Mariscela generation in Little Havana, of Evian-rescued-from-the-Thanksgiving-waters, claim a place in the Florida sun.
Does not quite cut it anymore.
LOL Just marking it for the notch in the old blog belt that it must be. Over 14 thousand comments. And counting.
Went up, originally, at 3:41 PM yesterday.
yes who cares about protecting, ever, either run. Or creating some perfect Democratic womb (HA!) in Denver.
Actually the FP of the Home page of Huff tabloid is worth a look. In case there is an issue of raising the rabble. Or pushing assassination. Any more than either have already been played. .
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
From a David Rees post on the HuffPost’s FP.
94. Do women ever really talk about this to themselves, though? I suppose feminism is a mother-daughter thing, but my mother and I have conversations about sexism only very rarely and in a roundabout way. But by the time you reach midlife, you realize so many men who are friendly to you are nevertheless sexist (including dad). You learn to bury that realization deep down and not say anything about it, because they just won’t understand and won’t it just poison the atmosphere and won’t they just reject you? (Then again, there is the small hope that they will learn new things in life.) When is it making a big deal to mention it and when isn’t it?
With racism, there’s never that question. Racism is always a big deal. even the slightest whiff of it. Sexism is rarely acknowledged, and I don’t know if politics is the right avenue to address it any more. Even organized religion would be more preferable (and that’s saying something!)
And on that note… just watch this and try not to think:
http://blog.syracuse.com/video/2008/05/post_1.html
94, moiv: It’s enough to make me hope that Clinton
does take it all the way to Denver, and brings down
the roof of the temple.
I hope she does too. Just to shake things up.
The one thing I like about Hillary is that she brings out the hidden misogyny in people. She inspires them to let out their inner fratboy and let him play and frolic with wild abandon.
105, NYCO: well, I never buried the realization deep down and didn’t say anything about it. I’ve always talked about it and made a big issue out of it. I figured, if I don’t, who will? Can I expect someone else to fight on behalf of me and my views of fairness and justice? If anyone gets irritated and wants to reject me, it’s because they’re hearing unpleasant truths. And they need to hear them.
One of the things I’ve noticed is that when I speak out, I invariably get support behind-the-scenes from women who say they felt the same way but didn’t have the courage to say anything. Either they felt afraid to say it – they didn’t want to deal with the fallout – or they thought that their opinion didn’t mean anything and wouldn’t change anything. Or, in some cases, even in this post-Feminine Mystique era, I heard from women who thought they were the only ones who felt that way, and weren’t sure how to express their thoughts. This is the way women have been trained in our society. It’s a kind of learned helplessness.
I don’t know if politics is the right avenue to address it any more.
There isn’t any “right avenue”, unfortunately. And there’s no point in waiting for just the right moment, either, as we’ve been told repeatedly by those who want us to be quiet and swallow bitter pills – e.g., voting for the anti-abortion Dems – while we wait for our issues to be addressed at some undetermined time in the future.
Sorry – I’m not lecturing you, NYCO – just venting.
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well of course anything can be dismissed.
I’ve never considered myself a “feminist”, so I don’t look at this issue that way, as an issue of feminism.. I don’t even view it, really, as a possible conversation. One reason I rarely raised it. And of course, why be boring.
I don’t think anyone should worry, per se. I doubt a woman would run again, certainly not in my lifetime. I mean, why bother.
it took me a long time to notice how ingrained sexism is, how it’s a pillar of our “civilization” and not merely the beliefs/behavior of some isolated jerks. Because fundamentally it’s such a stupid idea that it just doesn’t make any sense.
Back in the ’70s, I was shocked by the idea of keeping girls out of Little League. And barring women reporters from the locker rooms. Incredibly stupid. Such things were dismissed by my parents as being the actions of a few smallminded people. But in fact they were expressions of an attitude that was, and still is, pervasive in our society.
It’s cool that girls are playing baseball in kids’ leagues now and are not relegated to softball. But if one of them eventually decides to run for President, all hell will break loose.
An aftershock measuring 6.4 hit China today
I’m still in favor of women’s rights, for whatever that’s worth. But after all these years in Blogland, I can honestly say that I’ve had it up to here with women that just use it as a cheap carnival barker’s megaphone to further themselves– and further a bunch of shit that has nothing to do with a better life for me or for most other women.
Whether it’s Laura Bush twittering about helping Afghani women out of their burquas by dropping bombs, or Amanda Marcotte lecturing about how women will diiiiiieeeee in back alleys if we frivolous brats dare vote Green, and on and on. I’m fucking sick of that shit. I didn’t sign on for “liberation” only to be told that the gated community of the Democratic Party is the only approved place that liberation can happen.
Too much short-sightedness, too much opportunism, too much distortion of what humane PEOPLE should feel towards one another. I care about choice, but the DP doesn’t do anything for choice but take NARAL’s money and then use fear to beat us over the head. It’s repulsive. Once, years ago, I was on Ms. old boards and set off a furor by saying, “Well, you know in less than twenty years my childbearing years will be over. What about all the other terrible shit going on that I’ll still have to deal with. Those fuckers haven’t done a thing about those problems and they never will.”
I’m also tired of feminism as a vehicle of (usually) violent interventionism around the world. I’m over the idea that it’s a great idea to kill women to save them from burquas and FGM. We don’t bomb Dartmouth or UCLA to deal with campus rapes and we didn’t, luckily, bomb the polygamists it Texas. What right then do we have to bomb Afghani or African women to “save” them ? It’s bullshit. But say this in a roomful of U.S. feminists and all you get is a look like you’ve just taken a crap in the middle of the sandwich tray.
The 2000 election really stirred up a lot of interest I had in political activity, including feminism, that had been lying dormant for quite awhile. Ironic then that most of the time feminism in the U.S. still means “Democrat” and thus I’m not welcome in it unless I keep my mouth shut. No thanks. I get enough from the sexists telling me to go along and get along and this isn’t an improvement.
The feminists ignored LaDuke when she ran in 2000, just as they’re now ignoring McKinney. But, oh, poor Hillary, the worst carnival barker of them all, is hearing mean shit from men. Everyone to the baricades !!
No thanks.
I have been very clear that it went beyond HIllary, and in a real sense had little to do with her, other than she has been a catalyst at times.
OVer and over one is not allowed to view society, unless of course the stake one holds in that society is clearly defined.
Nor do I think she lost something or was denied something that I personally never cared that she should get.
It roiled far beyond her and was simply the snake venom that is there, every day.
Again, not a feminist and to be perfectly frank I never joined “the women” Ever. Not before, not now.
Her run ”for women” was about as valuable as I view Obama’s ”for blacks”.
Fucking zilch.
111 – well said.
I would add that I think you’re seeing so much of what you’re seeing because it IS Hillary Clinton and she’s a donk, so you’re getting the misogyny from partisans of both sides. There is a long history of lecturing and betrayal in her career that bring out the ugly, and make it okay to share. I find women to be important parts of my life, smart and wise and wonderful. I’m blessed that female friends & lovers took the time to school me to stop being a typical American male. However, there is something about the Senator that makes me have to bite my tongue when “bitch” tries to come spilling out. She is willing to sell out not only other women in service of her pursuit of power, but ANYONE. She is so like her husband in that personality trait.
It also matters that she is a donk. If it was Sec. Rice, you can bet that the only slurs you’d be hearing out of the media or the right would be to call the democratic party hoi polloi SEXIST, while places like Kos and Air America would be ringing with exactly the same sexist language you now hear about Clinton. A winger female wouldn’t be getting harranged from all sides.
My problem is with all these feminist bloggers, rallying to Hillary, still silent about McKinney and still silent about far too much that Hillary has done, will do, to WOMEN. To US. My problem is too often they have as bad a “savior” complex as any well-intentioned man. Which explains why it’s always about personalities, not about structure. Seems to me that proportional representation in government, especially local government, would do more for women’s rights than hordes of us feeling outraged because misogynists don’t want Hillary for President.
But proportional representation isn’t a real hot topic in feminist Blogland, at least the last time I looked.
“Crys T,” from Wales, an old buddy of mine from Ms. who still posts elsewhere, said this at Alas not long ago:
I don’t like the “snake venom,” either. But to feel sympathy for Hillary when she’s nothing but a snake herself is completely beyond me.
Sorry, Mcat. It’s not you. I’m just venting. Will stop now.
😦
Pundits lvoe to bring up the Hillary nutcrackers. Which I think misses the point, but that is the pat on the head. “We do understand”.
Well the nutcrackers are just part of politics. I never thought twice about them, or about several of her very awkward personas. But of course it can be “all about HIllary”… and the point is missed. Very effectively.
On the other hand I am unsure why “feminists” should embrace La Duke OR McKinney. Or anyone, really..
That sort of thinking eludes me.
I don’t feel sympathy for Hillary.
In fact at media girl I said she had stripped off her female genitalia, inner and outer labia.
She is effectively waht I call a “corporatised” female. The only sort to garner even marginal respect in this country.
I did leave media girl following that. The silly poodles had not gone over well (matsu, a former R really took issue), something I did to amuse myself and kick myself along the road. Nor did truth go over well.
Suffice to say I did nto support Hillary, ever, and in fact as I have posted, I heard her intro Bill at a rally in Chicago in 92 and knew “we have a problem”.
111:
Really? None of the feminists I personally know bought that line of rightwing propaganda. I didn’t think anyone did besides the stupidest of the Limbaugh dittoheads.
What I see a lot whenever the discussion turns to feminism/feminists is the tendency to set up “straw feminists” with characteristics and opinions that suit a particular argument. Unfortunately this is true of many people, even those who call themselves feminists. For example, I’m a feminist but have never once visited the Ms chat boards, and I think I’ve looked at the magazine once in my entire life. So whatever is trotted forth by contributors there may or may not jibe with my own views.
For the record, Amanda Marcotte is an idiot, but she’s right to be pro-choice and focus on that issue.
Who here feels sympathy for Hillary? I certainly don’t. But I object to sexist language and attitudes when she elicits them from people, especially when those people are supposedly “liberal” and “progressive”. I loathed Thatcher but I was irked when David Steel called her a “fishwife”.
I’m not going to sit here and say “Yes it’s fine to call Hillary misogynistic names because she really deserves it.”
Remember the reaction at DKos when sexist slurs were used against MCat. Someone said something like “I hate that word but she deserves it.”
Sexism doesn’t get a pass when it’s used against individuals whom you despise.
To me, it’s analogous to the Pie Wars. I couldn’t give two shits about the Pie Ad itself – it was the horrible antifeminist and misogynist venom that came boiling out in the discussion of the Pie Ad that set me off.
85 wu ming: as for hillary, i’ll be the contrarian tonight and say that i thought that RFK comment was a wretched dog whistle, and she deserves all the vitriol she’s getting on it.
Sorry but I think that’s bullshit.
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I never would have seen the ad but for the months that Kos had spent slamming women on the FP.
I ignore ads mostly.
The minute I saw it tho I knew what was up. And I sent an email to kos before anything blew:
“Message received. Regards to ‘the wife’ and ‘the kid’.”
Mcat:
…On the other hand I am unsure why “feminists” should embrace La Duke OR McKinney. Or anyone, really.
So don’t embrace. But at the very least, give them some damn ink. Otherwise they’re just perpetuating the mythos they claim to despise: The one that says feminism is just for White women in large institutions and the rest are invisible.
We all know that McCain is a wretched man, but it would be nice if a few of these blogs, since they champion women’s rights and advancement, could reroute a little of their ink about horrible Republicans to talk about women who oppose his policies but who are not Democrats.
hrh:
…None of the feminists I personally know bought that line of rightwing propaganda…
I believe you, all right ? But there’s too much use of the “humanitarian intervention” model in the DP that is simply a smokescreen for the same sort of egregious violence and legalized theft so beloved of Limbaugh and his own champions. Just as in a larger sense, too many marchers in anti-war demos were marching not against the Iraq War but against Bush’s Iraq war. A Democrat who champions interventionism uses different code words, or perhaps throws a few more “humanitarian” bones that a Republican, and suddenly nearly all Democrats are placated and feel no need to march or protest anything. I don’t think that mass rapes in Bosnia were the real reason we dropped bombs over there, but plenty of people do seem to think that “humanitarian” bombing is all right if a Democrat does it and if you can frame it as a mission to protect women.
This is a poisonous POV and too many feminists peddle it, just as do their male counterparts in the DP.
…Sexism doesn’t get a pass when it’s used against individuals whom you despise.
Is it “giving a pass” if I don’t join in sexist attacks but also don’t spill a bunch of ink discussing them ad nauseum, if I feel there are other under-covered issues and people worth discussing ? All right then. I wouldn’t be thrilled with anyone who used anti-Jewish slurs against Joe Lieberman, either, but that in no way alters the fact that Lieberman is a despicable human being. Yeah, I would look at askance at the motives of the person hurling the insults in either cases, but nearly to the degree that I have already looked askance at the target.
As for Marcotte being “focused on choice,” all I can say is that it’s a dubious focus when one spends so much time championing a party that would and has kicked pro-lifers upstairs repeatedly to consolidate its own power. But then again, Marcotte really is just running a mill and looking to line her own pockets. She and her imitators can bite me.
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Well Marcotte really supports the Democratic party. Period. Search around for her posts, think it was october 2 and 3 of 2006 on the 95/10 trojan horse.
I have linked to it in the past, and moiv has written on the mess that is the 95/10, straight out of Democrats for Life bullshit.
Whaddyaknow, here’s a handy example of the way beyond Hillary problem, and it even fits nicely with the thread theme of “Gas.”
Danica Patrick Insists She’ll Keep Driving Around Track Even if She Loses Indy 500.
Diarist Larry Madill has gotten 28 “tips for satire” (tags naturally include “humor” and “snark”) and as usual, the high-fives way outnumber objections.
Are there feminists online that are not aligned with the Democratic party? Or that don’t end up there around elections?
I frankly don’t know. The system, political and otherwise, in this country is so rigid.
Over and over most people fall into that ditch (political party ditch), because, it seems to me, as someone who used to comment here but left and wrote me, I cannot stand not being involved.
It does not work for me and even when I voted for Democrats I did not vote straight ticket, nor did I involve myself with the local or state party. ugh no.
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I really liked Danica Patrick in the couple of interveiws I have caught of her…
Sped straight to the wreck list, in fact.
Are there feminists online that are not aligned with the Democratic party ? Or that don’t end up there around elections ?
Not enough to suit me. Not by a long shot. It’s a small relief that this discussion could take place even for five minutes amongst a tiny group of women. But I’d be speechless if anything came of it in November. That is, if feminists en masse really did desert Obama for McKinney in the general.
I would eat an entire closet of hats :p
Go tunesmith:
I don’t know why he picked Danica. She supported Hillary, who went to the track to see her.
I don’ tknow.
She supported Hillary
Did she? I understand Sarah Fisher, another driver did, but this Sport Illustrated profile quotes Patrick as saying she really doesn’t follow politics at all.
well then I am confused.
In response to some pushback – Night Train and indybend, among others, are trying to point out why the “satire” is unfair to Danica, not Hillary – other commenters and then the diarist helpfully explain: