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Coo coo 27 May 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Culture of Death, DC Politics, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

It moved from the silly season to coo coo days.

Have a thread……………….


1. lucid - 27 May 2008

Hey JF. Glad to hear you’re settled somewhat now. Band is, well… that’s a long story. Much drama of late. Our CD release will be in mid July though & we’ll prolly have the new tunes up on our myspace within days.

Too bad to hear of the encroachment of US ‘values’ into Berlin – I’d always thought that might be one of my destinations when it all goes to shit…

2. marisacat - 27 May 2008


Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:


well that means we will advance to around 4.15

3. IB - 27 May 2008

I paid over $4 for regular gas for the first time today. $4.07, near the Rip Van Winkle Bridge.

Of course it was a stark and politically stupid thing for Hillary to say. Each and every time. Stupid too to allow others to be heard saying it around her.

But I agree that Obama can’t just drape himself with scores of sainted Kennedys and all the texts of King, bubble-bathing his image and his movement in all the happyhappy memories of the youthful promise and inspiration that preceded the gunshots so central to these heroes’ (now, conveniently) long-fallen, long-sainted glory. And then pitch a fit of galactic proportions when his only remaining opponent in the primary dares to mention the nationally inconvenient – as well as tragic, etcetera, etcetera – timing of one of their deaths.

It’s a practical appeal. An ugly, but pragmatic argument. Especially given all the fucking sanctitude surrounding the Great Golden Carriage bearing the Next Boy King to Washington. Yes, this is stark news for the jangly nerves of PTSD Nation, and predictably radioactive to her own campaign. But she didn’t say she should win the presidency because he could get killed, she just said she should stick out the race until it’s over. Like yeah, hey party wonks, remember this? And skeptics and cynics and scaredy cats and people who were around, when those guns went off – remember that?

By the way, HELLO FROM THE STATE OF NEW YORK, where the governor – another Uncorruptibly Bright Light Democrat in shining armor – just took a fucking swan dive off a cliff with a hooker, by his own expensive devices, shattering his chances of keeping his damn current job, let alone making it to the White House some day – in less than a week.

Hey, at least she didn’t diss the Obamas (and shame her state – not to mention the exalted Democratic Party – any further) by bringing that up as an argument instead.

4. IB - 27 May 2008

Gaseous eruption in the mod pod. Probably just as well, frankly.

$4.07 for regular near the Rip Van Winkle Bridge today.

5. marisacat - 27 May 2008

hmm we hit 4.07 for regular about 10 days ago… with unleaded and premium of course more.

The evening news will bring a new number. And we pay more for speical mixes… and more inside SF then outside. On and on it goes.

Where it ends nobody knows.

All they push, really, is carbon credits (a form of Monopoly imo), scarfing up farmland for fuel… “clean” coal, which seems to be sanctioned by the Dems… and of course nuclear. And drilling in the Arctic. Drilling off Santa Barbara, etc.

The other “stuff” .. transportation infrastructure, laying down regs on Detroit.. etc. is just fluff and nonsense. For real.

May they congeal. After slipping on an oil leak.

6. IB - 27 May 2008

Sorry about that. This was such a nice, clean thread.

Great pic.

7. IB - 27 May 2008

Good luck with the drama, lucid. Thanks for the update from Berlin, jam.fuse.

8. marisacat - 27 May 2008


oh don’t worry about it. As an issue, the core is not going away…

9. IB - 27 May 2008

Speaking of swan dives without fatal trauma, Le Grand Saut got scuppered again today, flunking the First Rule of Balloons. The people of Saskatchewan can breathe easy again.

NORTH BATTLEFORD, Sask. – French adventurer Michel Fournier’s latest quest for a brace of world altitude and skydiving records ended at 5:06 a.m. today when his helium balloon surged into the sky without him, twisting and bobbing like a massive jellyfish as it rose into the blue prairie sky.

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 May 2008

Found this link via Crooks & Liars, regarding the horrific nattering from “both” of our political parties about the Iraqi’s needing to help pay for reconstruction:

There have been calls in the U.S. Congress demanding Iraq to pay for the post-war reconstruction from its oil revenues rather than American taxpayers’ money.

Such calls were never made before. U.S. legislators started mulling them when expenditures on the twin wars of Iraq and Afghanistan skyrocketed to unreasonable levels.

Demands like these are not only unacceptable but are in a sense meant to punish Iraqis for the destruction and devastation U.S.-waged invasion and occupation of their country has caused.

Does it mean that the U.S. Congress wants us to pay billions of dollars for the reconstruction of bridges, hospitals, schools as well as cities, towns and villages U.S. warplanes and military might have destroyed?

Does it mean that we the Iraqis are responsible for nearly 13-year long embargo which the U.S. insisted on clamping on the former regime but its real sufferers and victims were the Iraqi people?

Are we going to pay for the mistakes and plunders of U.S.-sponsored Iraqi governments whose ultimate aim has been to reinstate a state of sectarianism and manage the country and its resources to meet their sectarian goals?

Iraqis have been made to pay with their blood which has been flowing like rivers since the U.S. invasion. And shockingly the U.S. would like them to pay for the destruction it has inflicted on their country as if their blood is not enough.

The U.S. is morally responsible for the construction of Iraq but it is doubtful whether its political leaders have any more morality left. The whole Iraq war is morally wrong. It is too much indeed to ask the U.S. to get it morally right.

11. marisacat - 27 May 2008

when his helium balloon surged into the sky without him, twisting and bobbing like a massive jellyfish as it rose into the blue prairie sky.

LOL and away it went!

12. Arcturus - 27 May 2008

spotted $4.23 unleaded off I 80 around Vacaville this aft . . . surely but a start

13. marisacat - 27 May 2008


I call $5 by late July…

LOL (as if I know anything)

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 May 2008
15. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 May 2008

Tomgram: Frida Berrigan, The Pentagon Takes Over

A full-fledged cottage industry is already focused on those who eagerly await the end of the Bush administration, offering calendars, magnets, and t-shirts for sale as well as counters and graphics to download onto blogs and websites. But when the countdown ends and George W. Bush vacates the Oval Office, he will leave a legacy to contend with. Certainly, he wills to his successor a world marred by war and battered by deprivation, but perhaps his most enduring legacy is now deeply embedded in Washington-area politics — a Pentagon metastasized almost beyond recognition.

The Pentagon’s massive bulk-up these last seven years will not be easily unbuilt, no matter who dons the presidential mantle on January 19, 2009. “The Pentagon” is now so much more than a five-sided building across the Potomac from Washington or even the seat of the Department of Defense. In many ways, it defies description or labeling.

She lists seven areas (with good descriptions) that the Pentagon has completely taken over:

1. The Budget-busting Pentagon:

2. The Pentagon as Diplomat:

3. The Pentagon as Arms Dealer:

4. The Pentagon as Intelligence Analyst and Spy:

5. The Pentagon as Domestic Disaster Manager:

6. The Pentagon as Humanitarian Caregiver Abroad:

7. The Pentagon as Global Viceroy and Ruler of the Heavens:

The whole thing is well worth reading.

16. IB - 27 May 2008

But it was a much, much better balloon this time!

By the time it had risen 30 or 35 metres, so had the spirits of North Battleford Mayor Julian Sadlowski.

“This will put us on the map,” Sadlowski said.

Three hours earlier, Fournier had ridden out to his capsule with hopes high. He now walked back, lime-green spacesuit catching the morning sun, his helmet removed, surrounded by a small group of supporters who appeared to be consoling him.

This was Fournier’s third attempt to go skyward beneath a helium balloon and may have been his last. The reasons for this latest failure will be explained at a 4:00 p.m. press conference, his communications director Francine Gittins said.

At 6:45 a.m., the helicopter that was supposed to have recovered Fournier returned to North Battleford’s airport. They had located the torn, shredded remains of his balloon in a distant field. A ground crew would now clean up the mess.

As Hillary might say, it sucks when you don’t have a spare.

17. marisacat - 27 May 2008

5. The Pentagon as Domestic Disaster Manager:

6. The Pentagon as Humanitarian Caregiver Abroad:

Tut.. you have misread their intentions. It’s just Jesus wearing armor. Holy Rescuer and Holy Baby Sitter.

What else could it be, iirc Gates was passed with a voice vote.

18. marisacat - 27 May 2008


heir and a spare… I did laugh pretty hard when the wee royals got assigned such realistic descriptions.

19. Intermittent Bystander - 27 May 2008

$20 million worth of French litter in moderation. 😉

20. marisacat - 27 May 2008

oh dear… IB

is it other than comment 16?

Nothing at the moment in moderation or in spam. But it could pop up… sometimes they take a minute or two…

21. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 May 2008
22. Intermittent Bystander - 27 May 2008

Regular gas has hit $4 in this region before, I think, but this was the first time I couldn’t escape it.

23. Intermittent Bystander - 27 May 2008

No, you did spring it, Mcat . . . thanks.

2. The Pentagon as Diplomat:

When all you’ve got is Thor’s hammer . . . .

24. marisacat - 27 May 2008

.. and the beat goes on:

An American reporter sent me this:

“so you didnt hear this from me, because it was off the record, but general fallon, the recently fired head of centcom, told me at a conference this past weekend that he had not been impressed with general sleiman and that he didnt have the right ‘vision’ for lebanon, but that he would have preferred elias murr for the job of president but unfortunately murr was a greek orthodox so he couldnt be president. on a different subject, fallon also praised ethiopian leader meles, who is a really brutal dictator but who invaded somalia on our behalf. he said meles was trying to do the right thing and that his army chief was a really good guy too”

Posted by As’ad at 6:31 AM

Angry Arab………………………………..

25. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 May 2008
26. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 May 2008

GOP strategists mull McCain ‘blowout’

But the contours of the electoral map, combined with McCain’s unique strengths and the nature of Obama’s possible vulnerabilities, have led to a cautious and muted optimism that McCain could actually surpass Bush’s 35-electoral-vote victory in 2004. Though they expect he would finish far closer to Obama in the popular vote, the thinking is that he could win by as many 50 electoral votes.

By post-war election standards, that margin is unusually small. Yet it’s considerably larger than either Bush’s 2004 victory or his five-electoral-vote win in 2000.

“A win by 40 or 50 electoral votes would be an astonishing upset, just a watershed event with all the issues that were stacked against him from the very beginning,” said David Woodard, a Republican pollster and Clemson University political science professor. “But it could happen. I know this seems like wishful thinking by Republicans. I’m thinking that Republicans could win by 40 electoral votes. But I dare not say it,” he added. “Certainly what is possible could come to pass.”

A top strategist with the Republican National Committee, who asked that his name be withheld to speak candidly, explained that by his own examination, “we’re actually sitting pretty well in most states.”

“There are a lot of scenarios that look good for McCain, and I almost would go so far to say that there are a lot more scenarios [than for Obama],” the strategist added. “I don’t think anybody over here wants to let themselves get too excited about it. It is an eternity between now and November. But McCain looks a lot stronger than our prospects as a party.”

It is virtually impossible to find an established GOP strategist who believes McCain will win in a landslide. But in light of the circumstances, more than a few Republicans are pleasantly surprised to find that McCain is at all situated to defeat Obama.

“The broader environment clearly favors the Democrat,” said Whit Ayers, another veteran GOP pollster. But Ayers argued that “a state-by-state analysis actually makes McCain a narrow favorite to win the Electoral College majority.”

“That would certainly run against the grain of history, if he pulled that off,” Ayers added. “But it’s also clearly plausible and a manageable outcome partly because of John McCain’s strength among independents and partly because of Obama’s weakness in culture, ideology and association.”

Some Republican strategists can envision a scenario in which Obama wins the popular vote but loses in the Electoral College — he might galvanize Southern black turnout, for example, but still fail to switch a state in the region.

27. marisacat - 27 May 2008

Some Republican strategists can envision a scenario in which Obama wins the popular vote but loses in the Electoral College — he might galvanize Southern black turnout, for example, but still fail to switch a state in the region.

LOL. What else to do but laugh.

28. liberalcatnip - 27 May 2008

bobbing like a massive jellyfish as it rose into the blue prairie sky.

I caught a news clip out of the corner of my eye today of what looked like a gigantic blob of Saran Wrap lying on the ground. Now I know what it was. Thanks.

29. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 May 2008

but wait, Black Jeebus will walk upon the electoral waters and part the churning sea of chad.

30. liberalcatnip - 27 May 2008

Oh no – not the dreaded electoral college again. Layers and layers of multiple ways to avoid actual democracy.

31. marisacat - 27 May 2008

well in 2000 it was the Republicans who were ready to roll. One of their scenarios had been that Gore won the EC and Bush the popular vote. They had Bush v Gore in draft and all they had to do was switch out as to who had what…..

My guess Obama will soon actively collect, as Kerry did, for the ‘battle after the vote’. Kerry got 15 million rakced up, iirc.

All about money. Not about the vote.

32. Intermittent Bystander - 27 May 2008

a gigantic blob of Saran Wrap lying on the ground

Happy to help, lc. I’m just relieved it wasn’t a dead middle-aged French guy in a a capsule that looked like a telephone booth wrapped in quilted insulation instead.

33. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 May 2008

Hay Ride: Jimmy Carter Crosses the Line

Carter’s emergence as a dissident from the Establishment line is one of those bitter ironies in which history delights. As we have noted here before, Carter bears a large share of responsibility for the dismal state of the modern world. It was he who, on the advice of his foreign policy guru, Zbigniew Brzezinski, helped lay the foundations of the global jihad movement, giving guns, money and training to some of the most violent and retrograde extremists in the world — in a deliberate, and successful, attempt to goad the Soviet Union into intervening to save its client government in Afghanistan. From this seed — cultivated on a massive scale later by the Reagan-Bush administrations — violent sectarianism spread across the world, helped at every point by the United States or its allies in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and elsewhere. This shadow world — where covert ops, terrorism, organized crime and state policy mix inextricably together, sometimes colluding, sometimes falling out — has now enveloped the globe.

Still, to paraphrase the great philosopher Donald Rumsfeld, you oppose mass murder, torture, repression and imperial aggression with the deeply tainted, grossly hypocritical public figures you have, not the saintly, unspotted agents of transformation you wish you had. Carter’s remarks represent a welcome crossing of lines by a prominent Establishment figure. Too bad that no one in America will ever hear them.

34. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 May 2008

a gigantic blob of Saran Wrap lying on the ground

Okay, which Republican was found in what brothel?

35. marisacat - 27 May 2008

All I can guess is that some things tug at Jimmie. But only some. I have no idea really.

As I said I let go of my vote in ’80 as well. None of them mattered and I regret them all.

36. Heather-Rose Ryan - 27 May 2008

MCat, re: your link to the DKos diary in the last thread. Hilarious to see the little fanboys/girls tying themselves into knots trying to excuse and explain Obama’s gaffe.

I mean, it’s not the biggest deal in the world, but it does indicate a disturbing lack of historical awareness on Obama’s part.

Also hilarious to see the bathetic bleating about personal experiences visiting the camps on tours. Apparently concentration camps are dehumanizing and give you a bad feeling – wow, who would have thought it?

37. Intermittent Bystander - 27 May 2008


Fournier said he will try again in August after raising the additional funds to purchase two balloons, each worth $390,000. Fournier would also need $25,000 worth of helium for each balloon and $52,000 to cover the expenses of his volunteer launch and recovery team.

“It was like a hammer over my head,” Fournier said of his aborted takeoff. “When it doesn’t work like that, you can’t think of anything.”

38. liberalcatnip - 27 May 2008

It looks like Scotty McLellan’s new book is going to rattle some Bushco feathers.

39. Intermittent Bystander - 27 May 2008

Must sleep. G’night all.

40. liberalcatnip - 27 May 2008

32 & 34. lol

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 May 2008

38 – another aider and abetter w/ a too late mea culpa.

42. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 May 2008

Countdown did a pretty good rundown on McCain advisor Phil Gramm’s part in the destruction of banking regulations.

43. marisacat - 27 May 2008

38, 41

he and his brother were right at the heart of what bushcheney were up to.

44. Intermittent Bystander - 27 May 2008

34 – French litter, French letter. And wowza, fresh from Google – the psychedelic, musical, and “Fair Play, Fair Deal” site of the UK French Letter Condom Company.

45. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 May 2008

Vapid, Stupid and Insulting – Chuck Schumer Speaks to the Graduates

Schumer’s main advice was that the new graduates, instead of settling for just any job, should try to find something that they really like to do. He remembered how his father hated being an exterminator, and that at the age of fourteen, while working on a summer job, he promised himself that he would only do the type of job that he likes. That is why after attending Harvard College and Harvard Law School, he went into politics instead of a prestigious law firm.

Senator Chuck seemed oblivious to the fact that few, if any, in the audience have his, or his daughters’, options. Many of my students, who plan to become social studies teachers, are tens of thousands of dollars in debt because of student loans, face steep competition for any teaching position in an oversaturated market, and have little prospect of buying a home in or near the communities where they were raised and their families still live. These young people worked hard, did everything that was expected of them, and now must pay for the malfeasance and incompetence of Schumer and the nation’s other political leaders.

Senators Clinton and Obama promise to be agents of change if they secure the White House. If Senator Chuck Schumer is an example of what the Democrats have to offer, we can expect very little real change from this party.

46. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 May 2008
47. Intermittent Bystander - 27 May 2008

French Letter Fair Trade Condoms Share the Love.

“We are delighted that we have bought an ethical dimension to this fantastic new product,” says French Letter, “by purchasing French Letter condoms, consumers are guaranteeing higher wages and better living and working conditions for rubber tappers in South Asia.”

All the products bear the trusty BSI kitemark, so are as safe as any other brand that you can buy in the UK

Kitemark? Live and learn.

48. Intermittent Bystander - 27 May 2008

Geez, learn to spell, smartplanet.

we have bought an ethical dimension to this fantastic new product

49. wu ming - 27 May 2008

most if ’em are at $4.17 here in davis, although arco’s still under the norm at $4.03.

finally talked mom and dad into buying one of those gem electric carts. breaking $4 a gallon was the straw that broke the camel’s back, that and the fact that they’ve got solar panels, so they have capacity to spare in the summer anyway.

i wouldn’t be shocked by $6 by the fall, although $5 by july is probably more likely. anyone ever pulls the trigger on iran, or a hurricane in the gulf hits a refinery or major oil field, and things could get pretty crazy pretty fast.

which reminds me, i should buy those plane tickets before the rates get jacked up.

50. liberalcatnip - 27 May 2008

Frontline tonite: Crimes at the Border

51. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 May 2008

50 – What did you Canadians do now?

52. marisacat - 27 May 2008

strangely enough the most recent rise in oil/gas did not make the local news, at least not the NBC ABC that I caught…. Still a lot of coverage of The Summit Wildfire, as it winds down. And time spent on the coming ballot issues, vote day is June 3.

53. marisacat - 27 May 2008


LOL… French letter, fair trade… and better conditions for the S Asian rubber tappers.

What’s not to love?

54. moiv - 27 May 2008

Following up French letter condoms with Panties for peace

MONTREAL – Canadian women are being asked to volunteer their undergarments in an international effort to shame Myanmar’s ruling junta into giving citizens greater access to humanitarian aid and human rights.

Organizers launched the Canadian edition of the Panties for Peace! campaign Tuesday with a call for women to send their underwear to the Myanmar embassy in Ottawa.

The campaign plays off regional superstitions that contact with women’s panties can sap a man’s power. Activists claim the fear is shared by the leaders of the country’s military regime.

“If you don’t believe me, you can bring this to the Yangon airport – you will be shot dead,” said activist Thet Thet Tun as she clutched a pair of white undies. “So we use this against them.”


Tun, who fled the country seven years ago, described a society suffocating under state control and widespread misogyny.

“Our daily clothes are separated from a man’s clothes, our towels are separated from their towels,” she said. “That’s what everyone still believes.”

According to the campaign’s organizers, Myanmar’s embassies in Europe, Australia and Brazil, among other places, have been receiving female underpants in the mail.

55. marisacat - 27 May 2008


Kill the bitch!

Precious male strength was SAPPED!

So, just in an envelope, proper postage and off to an Embassy of theirs somewhere? that is so doable.

The campaign plays off regional superstitions that contact with women’s panties can sap a man’s power. Activists claim the fear is shared by the leaders of the country’s military regime.

56. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 May 2008
57. marisacat - 27 May 2008

tomorrow night, who knows… a bon mot could be dropped on the floor.

Obama-supporting Sen. Claire McCaskill is a guest on Comedy Central’s “The Colbert Report”

58. wu ming - 27 May 2008

interesting, something similar, but emphasizing menstrual blood, was used against the boxer rebellion in 1900. menstruating women would stand on the city wall and moon the boxer rebels (who believed themselves to be reincarnations of mythic figures and invulnerable to bullets or knives) to disrupt their magical powers. for their part, the boxers fought fire with fire, so to speak, with a core of “red lanterns,” pre-pubescent girls who countered that blood with their “purity.” crazy stuff.

what can i say, lots of people are scared of women, all over the world (and SE asia is generally a lot less patriarchal a place than many). in laos, IIRC, women have to ride on the lower level of river boats, to avoid the chance of their genitals being above a man’s head, for fear of losing their vital essence or something.

59. wu ming - 27 May 2008

(i don’t think the red lanterns mooned them back, BTW. their counterattack was more along the lines of some form of kung fu/tai chi)

60. liberalcatnip - 27 May 2008

What did you Canadians do now?

I’ll never tell. 🙂

54. Panties for Peace? Woohoo. I may have to blog about that one. I need to clean out my underwear drawer anyway and I am already armed with stamps.

61. moiv - 27 May 2008

Go for it, catnip. Put up a few ambassadorial addresses while you’re at it, and the Myanmar diplomatic corps will think they’ve died and come back as Tom Jones. 😉

62. lucid - 27 May 2008

Cusack and Scahill Discuss “War. Inc.” (part 2)

I never knew. I always assumed, because even his teen movies were intelligent, but I never realized that he was honestly on the level. Why the fuck isn’t he on Bill Maher and John Stewart & Steven Colbert… oh, because he might actually speak too much truth…

Go John.

63. lucid - 27 May 2008

regional superstitions that contact with women’s panties can sap a man’s power.

Well, I don’t have that fetish, but, wtf? Fuck, if that is the case, lets airdrop worn panties all over the world… might make for a more sane world – first stop, America.

64. lucid - 27 May 2008

One of my favorite stories was by a woman friend in college about her and her menstural blood with a Brazillian… suffice it to say, to this day, I find almost nothing sexier than mentrual blood… and I’m not kidding. Don’t care who judges me.

65. lucid - 27 May 2008

…and it’s not just based on a story.

66. lucid - 27 May 2008

sorry… tmi

67. marisacat - 27 May 2008

don’t worry lucid…

LOL I just finished reading Sully extol the virtues of Webb for VP (“as close to a Republican as a Democrat can get”)… other stuff seems tame. And very human…

68. moiv - 27 May 2008


No worries on my account, lucid. For me, you might say it’s sorta-kinda all in a day’s work.


wu ming, thanks for the Boxer Rebellion story. Most illuminating. Reincarnations of mythic figures and invulnerable to bullets or knives, but defenseless before a creature who could bleed for five days and not die (now there’s a real mythic figure for you) — except for a line of little girls (who would be bleeding themselves before long).

Things haven’t really changed all that much, and not only in Myanmar. I know a number of Central American women who would never toss their husbands’ boxers into the same wash with their own underwear — it just isn’t done. And that same primal fear of the unfathomable other lies at the root of the Christianista drive to outlaw abortion and contraception. The she-devil Lilith must be brought under control, and by god she will be.

69. lucid - 27 May 2008

Mcat – I’m sure Sully would like to ‘extol’ his virtues… And that is a huge part of the problem. We live in a in an asexualized world where sexualized metaphors define social discourse. Their only purpose is to further desensitize… to further reduce our impulses, our requiems for peace, to a pharmaceutical stupor.

70. marisacat - 27 May 2008

to further reduce our impulses, our requiems for peace, to a pharmaceutical stupor.

Speaking of the opiate…

well for Sully that is a xtian stupor. For certain. Yikes. he seems to really get off on his sacred love for Obama in the TimesOnline… more than at his own site.

Lordy, gulp down a Holy Host, some Fortified Wine snitched from the altar, and be done with it.

71. lucid - 27 May 2008

Moiv – I’ve never understood men, in most of their obsessions.

72. wu ming - 28 May 2008

men aren’t all that bad, it’s the masculinity that’ll get ya. ideas are some of the most dangerous things around.

31 – i remember that, because i had two arguments the day before and after the election with my mom, with her taking the GOP talking points on both sides of the issue as events and political advantage dictated. blew my mind, really. they should have junked the EC the day after that election, such a headache.

73. wu ming - 28 May 2008

68 – paul cohen’s “history in 3 keys” is an interesting book on the boxers, where i got most of this stuff from. takes the same event, and looks at how it is made meaningful, as inchoate experience, narrative history and later on, as myth.

apparently herbert hoover was an engineer in north china when it happened. his observations of the rebellion were one major source that cohen used to get at experience. quite a wry wit and a keen eye.

74. moiv - 28 May 2008

Jeralyn has decided it isn’t Obama’s fault that he can’t keep his family stories straight — it’s just sloppy research from his staff.

75. marisacat - 28 May 2008

LOL that’s a good loyal Democrat. You know, Big Tent and all that.

I have not wandered thru the tulips at TL for a while.

76. moiv - 28 May 2008

I was being droll. Actually, she makes a plausible case that he’s making himself up as he goes along.

77. moiv - 28 May 2008

And now the research nerds at the History Channel forums are checking out the service record of his great-uncle Charlie — who it seems might have been in the Navy instead of the Army.

78. moiv - 28 May 2008

Ver-r-ry interesting link in mods.

79. marisacat - 28 May 2008

well I think that is right… gathering it up as the medicine show moves along.

A couple of weeks ago he said he would not be returning to Hawai’i and I wondered. Why not? over and over issues of who is he… well there is one good way … Then the very next day it was announced he would go to embrace Punchbowl and Dunham grandfather.

Traveling medicine show.

The real problem is there are 20 weeks left and he faces issues, rolling around at large, at the core of his being.

80. marisacat - 28 May 2008

LOL well there is another g-uncle.. Think his gfather had a brother. Ralph W E Dunham

81. liberalcatnip - 28 May 2008

Ooo…this looks ominous:

you’ve become a chatterer (5.00 / 3) (#48)

by Jeralyn on Wed May 28, 2008 at 12:03:10 AM EST

And you are now suspended for the night.

Get thee to a chattery!

82. liberalcatnip - 28 May 2008

I think the real problem is that Obama obviously has too many relatives.

83. marisacat - 28 May 2008


The Corner posted the PR from the Obama camp on Great Uncle / WW2 / Liberation etc story

84. liberalcatnip - 28 May 2008

This is just seriously screwed up: Tenn. man on death row despite high court ruling.

85. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 May 2008

There is no controlling that she-devil Lilith.

86. NYCO - 28 May 2008

regional superstitions that contact with women’s panties can sap a man’s power.

Like I was saying a few threads ago… and women are going through all this “democracy” process… why? “We Have the Powah”

87. JJB - 28 May 2008

Madman, no. 10,

The whole “Iraq oil revenues will pay for all the damage we inflict on the country” was one of the selling points for the war in the first place. If there were never any calls for it to happen in Congress prior to now, it’s only because everyone assumed this is what would happen, and Congresscritters are getting some very negative comments from their constituents (now paying upwards of $4 a gallon for gasoline), and are trying to get on the record as saying the victims should pay for the destruction wrought on them by their attackers.

MCat, no. 12,

I say gas will be well over $5 by mid-August. That’s assuming we do not attack Iran before then, at which point we might actually see prices in the $12-15 per gallon range. Really hope I’m wrong about that.

So I guess Scott McClellan is off the Bush family Christmas card list:

President Bush “convinces himself to believe what suits his needs at the moment,” and has engaged in “self-deception” to justify his political ends, Scott McClellan, the former White House press secretary, writes in a critical new memoir about his years in the West Wing.

In addition, Mr. McClellan writes, the decision to invade Iraq was a “serious strategic blunder,” and yet, in his view, it was not the biggest mistake the Bush White House made. That, he says, was “a decision to turn away from candor and honesty when those qualities were most needed.”


He is harsh about the administration’s response to Hurricane Katrina, saying it “spent most of the first week in a state of denial” and “allowed our institutional response to go on autopilot.” Mr. McClellan blames Mr. Rove for one of the more damaging images after the hurricane: Mr. Bush’s flyover of the devastation of New Orleans. When Mr. Rove brought up the idea, Mr. McClellan writes, he and Dan Bartlett, a top communications adviser, told Mr. Bush it was a bad idea because he would appear detached and out of touch. But Mr. Rove won out, Mr. McClellan writes.

A theme in the book is that the White House suffered from a “permanent campaign” mentality, and that policy decisions were inextricably interwoven with politics.

He is critical of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for her role as the “sometimes too accomodating” first term national security adviser, and what he calls her deftness at protecting her reputation.

“No matter what went wrong, she was somehow able to keep her hands clean,” Mr. McClellan writes, adding that “she knew how to adapt to potential trouble, dismiss brooding problems, and come out looking like a star.”

Scotty also writes that “Bush] and his advisers confused the propaganda campaign with the high level of candor and honesty so fundamentally needed to build and then sustain public support during a time of war. The collapse of the administration’s rationales for war, which became apparent months after our invasion, should never have come as such a surprise… In this case, the ‘liberal media’ didn’t live up to its reputation. If it had, the country would have been better served.”

88. marisacat - 28 May 2008

JJB out of moderation! .. sorry for the delay…


89. JJB - 28 May 2008

Glenn Greenwald highlights a story that has gotten a lot of attention in Europe, but has been ignored in the US media. Scholar Norman Finkelstein was detained by Israeli authorities, refused admission to Israel, and has been banned from that country for a period of 10 years. Even Alan Dershowitz, who led a witch hunt that denied Finkelstein tenure at DePaul University, has criticized the Israelis for doing this. The Israeli government isn’t even pretending that they did this for a reason other than that they don’t like what Finkelstein has to say about their behavior in the West Bank and Gaza.

90. marisacat - 28 May 2008

hmm Angry Arab had a push back on the Finkelstein statement to the Israelis… that he supports the “two state solution” and he is “not an enemy to Israel”… as AA said, plenty who fit that description get killed, not just barred and banned.

We will sink with Israel, however many decades it takes. What a disastrous mistake to take on that mess, be tied to such a vicious right wing. And to be those things ourselves, a right wing mess..

91. Heather-Rose Ryan - 28 May 2008

I have posted on this topic before, probably not here, but I find it very interesting: in Finland, ancient folk customs indicated that the woman’s power, which emanated from her vagina, was respected and feared, and was used to bless and protect as well as to hex. From this academic paper:

…women held considerable spiritual powers, too. This becomes even more obvious, if we study another word that refers to the female sexual organ, vittu. In her study on women’s dynamistic power Apo coins the power residing in a woman’s sexual organ as the woman’s force, naisen väki. Women held force (väki) that could be mobilized both for constructive and productive purposes or else, for curse. (Apo 1994; 1998]

Apo describes, how power of the vagina was recognized by men and expressed in the kind of folk-poetry they sang. In the men’s fantasies the genitals could be separated from the rest of the body and personified so that the female vagina could fly through the air and land on the fence of a field. It could also walk through a forest and climb up a tree “like a golden squirrel”, or else it could do chores in the cottage such as cook gruel. In more mundane fantasies the female sexual organ runs through the town with silk stockings on her legs and it is the object of the gentlemen’s admiration. In these fantasies the vagina is sometimes also described so powerful that one man is not sufficient for it. (Apo 1994: 67-68]

Incidentally, this synonym for emä, vittu, has also survived until the present day in the colloquial language and has become the most frequently used power-word (or four-letter- word), not only in men’s speech, but it is also very popular with the youth, boys and girls alike. Traveling in any public transport with young people one cannot escape hearing the word vittu, which has bypassed the other frequently used Finnish words for swearing. Some parents have started wondering whether the youth any longer even recognize the word’s original meaning. While I do not agree with this suggestion, I would venture to say that whether they like it or not, the youth may indeed be unwittingly calling for the powers of their mothers for help.

It appears that the woman’s body yielded an awe-inspiring power that was identified with her ability to give birth. More than that, it held a dual power that could be mobilized both for protection and for cursing. This was a power that made men jealous and even forced them to some counter-magic. For instance when entering the sauna they needed to protect themselves from the vagina’s wrath or the woman’s wrath which may cause a man an infection in the sauna. This could be prevented or healed if one knew the words of the steam: blowing on the steam and greeting it with correct words when opening the sauna door” would protect the man entering the sauna. (Stark-Arola 1998, 206) The vagina thus was both revered and feared and, indeed it had a double-edged ability to both bless and curse. Women could prevent the effect of the evil eye by spreading their legs over the person who had to be protected. Doing this their force could flow freely, because until very recently the peasant women did not cover their lower body with underwear. There was a special word harakoida that refers to this protective gesture that was carried out by women, when people living in the same household had to go to the world outside the household, either to the village or to the forest. Through this practice, women protected their kinsfolk and acted as gatekeepers against the outer world of the home. Women were not only guardians of the farm household’s symbolic boundaries but they also acted also to promote the integrity of the household, where tensions could be felt between the women who joined the household as wives and the relatives of the husband. In their magic practices the wives also sought to protect their marital relationship and to keep their marital bond intact (Vuorela 1960; Apo 1998; Stark-Arola 1998]

92. Heather-Rose Ryan - 28 May 2008

Oops, sorry, the 8 + close-paren made all the little faces.

93. lucid - 28 May 2008

HRH – not unlike my reading of the Pandora myth in Hesiod…

94. ms_xeno - 28 May 2008

State the obvious, and hope that just this once, the right people will understand the obvious:

Perhaps the underlying problem is that Democrats are not cringing and not intimidated, but are — instead — very enthusiastic in their support for the “conservative” ideas. Perhaps the countering progressive values and ideals that were to be framed into dominance would have fared better if they actually existed and were actually championed outside the drivel of Democratic Party marketing campaigns. Perhaps there’s more to lending dignity and significance to ideas than the profligate use of capital letters. We may never know! — SMBIVA

Posted by Al Schumann on Wednesday May 28 01:07 AM

95. ms_xeno - 28 May 2008
96. marisacat - 28 May 2008

hmmm I followed the SMBIVA link.. to the Rockridge Institute, which is closing its doors. Interesting document.

I have no idea how much funding they got from where (they site funding shortfall as a factor), meaning the Dem party… and if this means they are a victim of the desire of the obama camp to control all funding, or as much as they can (it screams scam frankly – which does not also mean that I cared about any of the orgs the DP / Clinton factions funded) and if so which factions were in the muddle.

97. JJB - 28 May 2008

Hmmmmmm . . .

According to a post by Alex Koppelman at Salon.com’s “War Room” section, Scott McClellan’s book “suggests the president had indeed once done cocaine.” Koppelman doesn’t quote any relevant text w/r/t this, however.

And Glenn Greenwald has another post on McClellan’s book, this one discussing the brouhaha it’s touching off in the MSM:

I was going to add this as an update to my prior post on Scott McClellan’s extraordinary description of the media as “deferential, complicit enablers” of Bush administration “propaganda,” but it should really stand on its own. Here is an absolutely amazing link to a video where the three network news anchors appeared jointly on The Today Show this morning and were forced by McClellan’s book to address whether the media failed in its duties in the run-up to the war — the first time, to my knowledge, that this topic has ever been broached by network news journalists (h/t Kitt). The fact that television news has blacked-out the whole issue until now is, by itself, rather amazing.

While Katie Couric impressively argued that the media did fail to do its job — pointing out that the White House threatened networks which were perceived to be too critical with cutting off access to the war and that anyone who questioned the war was deemed unpatriotic and all of that “affected the level of aggressiveness that was exercised by the media” — the painfully empty-headed Charlie Gibson and the mindlessly establishment-defending Brian Williams both insisted that the media did a perfectly fine job and that they would do nothing different. “There was a lot of skepticism raised about” the Colin Powell speech, said Gibson, in one of the falsest statements ever uttered on TV. He continued: “It is not our job to debate them; it’s our job to ask the questions.”

Indeed. Perish the thought that journalists should be adversarial to our political officials, challenge what they say or point out when they’re lying. Instead, their job is merely to pose polite questions, let political officials say what they want in response, and then go home — just as Charlie Gibson said. This is why most establishment journalists will never be convinced that they failed to do their job, no matter how much evidence is presented: because of the understanding they have of what “their job” actually is. If anything, by Gibson’s understanding of what they’re supposed to be doing, they did their job brilliantly, by letting Bush officials go on their shows and — as Cheney aide Cathy Martin said about what happens when they went on Tim Russert — “allow[ing Bush officials] to control the message.”

The fact that Ms. Couric is currently a major figure in a news broadcast that could have shed light on this topic and broken the story herself needs to be addressed here too. I’ve no doubt she’s very smart, and could be an excellent reporter, but alas, she learned how to get rich by imitating the World’s Oldest Cheerleader (“NAVY SEALS ROCK!!!!!”), while being a real reporter who told the truth about what the MSM was doing (“cable news operators who wrap themselves in the American flag and go after a certain target demographic”] got rising MSNBC star Ashleigh Banfield sent to TV’s equivalent of Bantry Bay.

98. ms_xeno - 28 May 2008

Yeah, no doubt Obama will indeed stockpile tons more cash to defend the vote as vigorously as Kerry/Gore did.

I can’t even be angry with these folks anymore, even when they show up on my own blog or in my own living room to defend this b.s. It’s too much work to stay furious all the time, and besides, being that gullible is punishment enough;I figure.

99. JJB - 28 May 2008

Didn’t mean to insert that winking smiley there, it’s actually just a close parenthesis with a space after it.

But then I think that comment’s in moderation.

100. JJB - 28 May 2008

And that should be “Botany Bay,” not Bantry.

101. CSTAR - 28 May 2008

After reading this wonderful and very witty thread, I feel, I dunno as the French would put it “tout a fait accessoire”. Plus rien a dire.

Well at least I can say this for my bicycle: It is largely replacing my (old) car. At least until November. 🙂

102. marisacat - 28 May 2008

oh too too funny. Ari Fleischer is “heartbroken” over McClellan’s tell all, dump all.

have a hankie.

103. Heather-Rose Ryan - 28 May 2008

Nice, Scotty McC, but did it ever occur to you to state your opinions publicly while you still had your job?

I guess moral courage is only worthwhile if you might be able to make some money off it – like, say, writing a book.

104. marisacat - 28 May 2008


definitely… they have a nasty little turn coat on their hands… I think the explanation is an explosive book ginned up the advance.

LOl Off to the races. They have Rove out there doing push back.

105. lucid - 28 May 2008

103 – It takes a village to have the audacity of hope!

106. marisacat - 28 May 2008

oh I don’t recall ANY real, sustained skepticism about Powell’s speech/performance at the UN.

IN FACT, Mary McGrory titled her op piece the next fucking day “I Believe Him” or some such slush. It took her THREE FUCKING WEEKS to come around. And admit he had turned her head. what, with sweet talk about aluminum rods?


The media bought in fully. Michael Wolff had written in NY Mag that the deal, hard to read it otherwise (aside from war being a huge money maker for media and PRIZE WINNER, Pulitzers lining up in their heads) but that there was legislation before congress about ownership caps for media conglomerates… they all but for the odd pocket of resistance (Knight Ridder, and I got a lot of info from NYRofBooks) supported the war.

Jesus, The New Yorker got rid of Spiegleman the great Maus cartoonist… and EVERYBODY admitted it was because he was anti war and the magazine determined they did not want that in their pages. Not really.

107. marisacat - 28 May 2008



read a great comment of yours last night at TL… about structuring the narrative… and how powerful the real Obama story is, rather than the composed mess his handlers deal out (he is so damned malleable).

108. marisacat - 28 May 2008

Here is the CSTAR comment I mentioned (more than half way down in this thread):

Historical narrative (5.00 / 2) (#191)
by CSTAR on Wed May 28, 2008 at 01:40:34 AM EST

is constructed, artificially, to a large extent. At least the driving themes of the narrative are. The same is true of the narratives in family histories

Obama’s narrative is harder to pull out from the flux of facts of his origins and his life, partly because he is offspring of a whirlwind of lives. Obama’s story is in many ways a very powerful one, and one shouldn’t denigrate or belittle it.

However, I think it is profoundly sad that Obama has been thrust into this created narrative by his handlers maybe, or by democrats looking desperately for a compelling leader or perhaps even by his own ambition.

Obama would have been a more compelling leader if he had the circumstances to discover his story and construct his own narrative. His candidacy, in my opinion, was far too premature.

People may have forgotten but the thread dwellers at Dkos began chanting (piped in music, LOL) for Obama to run for president as soon as the 04 election was over. Premature, for certain.

109. lucid - 28 May 2008

From what I recall, they started chanting from before the convention speech. At least Markos was. I actually specifically took time out to watch that speech because of all the hype, and recall feeling like I’d just paid $10.50 to see Matrix Reloaded.

110. marisacat - 28 May 2008

I found the speech to be a dud. Red Blue… a variation on Two Americas….


111. marisacat - 28 May 2008

New Field poll out on SSM in California.

51% support

42 not

7 undecided or no opinion.

They said it is the highest percentage for support since polling on this…

112. JJB - 28 May 2008

MCat, no. 106,

David Remnick, George Packer, and that loathsome Jeffrey Goldberg (now at The Atlantic), war pimps all. Rick Hertzberg was against it, but Remnick wrote an editorial supporting the war and printed it while RH was on vacation. Packer is now one of those “the idea was great, the execution was horrible,” and behaves as if he never thought the invasion wasn’t a great idea and would result in a cheap victory and a Pax Americana in the Muslim world as the cowed natives ran in horror after smelling the whiff of grape, as the Brit imperialists used to say. Years ago, someone in Hertzberg’s position would have resigned over such a thing. Now they just meekly pretend they weren’t humiliated, and continue to issue their occasional limp missives gently pointing out that things aren’t totally spiffy. Pretty sad, especially if you remember the magazine’s long and eloquent campaign against the Vietnam War.

113. CSTAR - 28 May 2008

I’m no political pundit. geesh I supported Kerry, which should automatically disqualify me from making any political prognostication.

However, Obama’s identity is still so much in flux, and he seems so unsure of what he has of that identity, that it is a much too easy target for a general election swiftboat attack.

Then what.. What happens to the the non-right of american politcs? Massive depression?

On the other hand, It is entirely possible that corporate america may prefer Obama, Contradictions with the ruling class, as I may have said in my youth.

114. ms_xeno - 28 May 2008

The New Yorker also had some big puff piece about Obama, back in 2004 or ’05, I think.

115. marisacat - 28 May 2008

agree, The New Yorker is gone. Long gone. Merely a mouthpiece for the Democratic collaborator faction. LOL The pillar of the party.

Remnick was a disgusting Clintonista for years. They stealthily supported the Casey run in PA, using Peter Boyle — a full on Catholic slobber case.

DISGUSTING. Partisan, far beyond what the magazine used to be all about.

116. marisacat - 28 May 2008

The New Yorker, living on fumes.

I so loved it once. I wrote to them when they brought over whatshername… from VF… i said, How can you damage destroy two magazines I love, in one fell swoop?

They wrote me back something snippy. LOL Not the first time either…

117. JJB - 28 May 2008

Speaking of California polls, look who’s scraping bottom yet again:

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger today has a 37% approval and 60% disapproval rating. Subtracting disapproval from approval yields a Net Job Approval of Minus 23 — the lowest in our polling since May of 2006, when it reached Minus 25. Schwarzenegger’s highest approval rating was a Plus 23, recorded one year ago; his lowest ever is a Minus 33, reached twice, in both September and October of 2005.

That the Dems couldn’t be bothered to unseat this incredibly unpopular man in 2006 tells you everything you need to know about how lame they’ve become.

118. lucid - 28 May 2008

The Nation too… I ended my subscription when their then editor in chief – some smarmy fellow Swarthmore alum – pulled a Markos when readers complained about the stupid ads from ‘Facts and Lies About the Middle East’ – some ridiculous hasbara group.

119. marisacat - 28 May 2008

That the Dems couldn’t be bothered to unseat this incredibly unpopular man in 2006 tells you everything you need to know about how lame they’ve become.

And corrupt.

120. JJB - 28 May 2008

MCat, no. 116,

Tina Brown. Must say she’s failed upwards better than anyone I can think of. Vanity Fair, fun as it was under her command, produced oceans of red ink, and didn’t turn a profit until after she left. I believe that was also the case with The New Yorker. The next magazine she started, Talk, was a disaster (there was also a book publishing outfit associated with it that went under as well). Then she was on CNBC for two years, hosting a TV show nobody watched. Her recent book about Princess Diana is the only successful venture she’s ever been associated with. If anyone remembers Clay Felker, her career is kind of a mirror image of his, with the one success coming after many failures rather than many failures following a long ago success (Clay founded New York magazine then bombed at everything else he tried).

121. liberalcatnip - 28 May 2008

Fallout from NAFTAgate: Lobbyist [Frank Sensenbrenner] in Obama controversy not trusted. He’s suspected as being the memo leaker but the inquiry report released last week failed to reveal who it was – quite convenient for the Con gov’t and its Repub buddies.

122. marisacat - 28 May 2008


Yes, she put The New Yorker into the RED. Totally. Did not take her very long either.

I remember Clay Felker… too true, it ws all down hill after NY Mag.

123. NYCO - 28 May 2008

’m no political pundit. geesh I supported Kerry, which should automatically disqualify me from making any political prognostication

LOL, no, it means you’re wiser now.

I just have a problem getting past Obama’s temperament. I just can’t see him enjoying the work.

124. marisacat - 28 May 2008

new thread…………..


…. 8)

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