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Just a thread………… 29 May 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

New Orleans……………

I am laughing that the threme of this election, at least the last several months, most assuredly is: denounce, deny, reject, repudiate, renounce… and what else? Oh yes: EJECT.

I have no idea what is coming but no doubt we follow the bouncing ball down the street … If I thought any of the drool and spit from the religious pulpits, right – left – center – as well as off the page!, would be avoided/not embraced/not used next go round, I’d be thankful.

That won’t be happening.




1. Madman in the Marketplace - 29 May 2008

too bad the one thing that won’t be ejected/rejected/denounced … militarism.

It’ll be our doom.

2. marisacat - 29 May 2008


our true religion. And really few ministers REALLY reject it. They go along, jolly the congregation along from this wind up to that wind up.

Among other things they don’t get around to, not REALLY.

3. liberalcatnip - 29 May 2008

Will Obama’s faith-based initiatives office (which he said he plans to keep) be funding the Quakers any time soon? (she said in jest)

4. liberalcatnip - 29 May 2008

lol…Murdoch Almost Ready To Endorse…Obama

And I must have missed the dkos diary about Francis Fukuyama endorsing Obama. If there was one, it didn’t hit the rec list. I wonder why…

5. liberalcatnip - 29 May 2008

Renounce! Deject!

CHICAGO – Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Thursday that he was “deeply disappointed” by a supporter’s sermon at his church that mocked Hillary Rodham Clinton.

The Rev. Michael Pfleger, a Chicago activist, also apologized for last Sunday’s sermon at Obama’s church, in which he said Clinton’s eyes welled with tears before the New Hampshire primary because she felt “entitled” to the Democratic nomination and because “there’s a black man stealing my show.”

In video circulating on the Internet, Pfleger said the former first lady expected to win the nomination before Obama’s sudden popularity.

“She just always thought that, ‘This is mine. I’m Bill’s wife. I’m white.’ … And then, out of nowhere, came ‘Hey, I’m Barack Obama.” And she said, ‘Oh damn, where did you come from? I’m white. I’m entitled. There’s a black man stealing my show,'” Pfleger said at Trinity United Church of Christ.

He then went on to parody Clinton, sobbing and wiping his face with a handkerchief.

“She wasn’t the only one crying,” he said. “There was a whole lot of white people crying.”

Obama won the Iowa caucuses, the first contest of the nominating season, in January. Days later, Clinton’s eyes brimmed with tears and her voice broke as she talked with New Hampshire voters on the eve of the primary, which she won.

Obama said he was “deeply disappointed” by Pfleger’s comments.

“As I have traveled this country, I’ve been impressed not by what divides us, but by all that that unites us,” he said in a statement. “That is why I am deeply disappointed in Father Pfleger’s divisive, backward-looking rhetoric, which doesn’t reflect the country I see or the desire of people across America to come together in common cause.”

Eject! Eject!

6. lucid - 29 May 2008
7. moiv - 29 May 2008

Hope Obama denounces and rejects the rumors that he could still be sneaking the odd cigarette or two … might become a campaign issue.

Hilarity ensues.

8. moiv - 29 May 2008


Y’all got a fine sound there, lucid. Best of luck with the album. 🙂

9. liberalcatnip - 29 May 2008

Oh mon dieu. If this doesn’t sound exactly like the run-up to the Iraq war, I don’t know what does.

Officials: Iran, al Qaeda in secret talks

May 29, 2008 — Senior U.S. officials tell ABC News that in recent months there have been secret contacts between the Iranian government and the leadership of al Qaeda. It’s a development that has caught the attention of top officials in the White House, the Pentagon and the intelligence community.

According to U.S. officials familiar with highly sensitive intelligence on this issue, the contacts are on the status of high-level al Qaeda operatives, including two of Osama Bin Laden’s sons, who have been under house arrest in Iran since 2003. The officials don’t believe Iran will allow these operatives to go free, but said they don’t know Iran’s motivation for initiating the talks.

“The Iranians know there would be hell to pay if these guys were set free,” a U.S. official told ABC News.

10. liberalcatnip - 30 May 2008

Someone seriously needs to deprogram Ari Fleischer…or pull out his batteries.

11. liberalcatnip - 30 May 2008

How predictably irrational are you?

My score: (25-39, iirc)
“You are neither wholly rational or irrational, exhibiting both types of behaviours”.

(At this moment, anyway.) 🙂

12. NYCO - 30 May 2008

Hey catnip, maybe it’s irrational for me to point this out, but your link doesn’t work.

13. brinn - 30 May 2008


AWESOME! Really good stuff!

Does your manager have any contacts in Austin? I could get a boatload of people out to see you. You should definitely bug him about coming down in the Fall for the Austin City Limits Music Festival — not only would you get lots of exposure, but you’d have LOT of fun too….I like ACL even better than SouthbySouthwest (fewer noxious spring breakers, more serious music lovers! )

When is the album going to be available? I want! 😉

14. JJB - 30 May 2008

Hmmmm . . .
I wonder if this is a veiled threat by Gannon/Guckert to out Scottie?

I can say without fear of contradiction, that I knew Scott better than any other White House correspondent or Washington reporter.

Anyway, I don’t know how much SM (sort of a joke/pun there) has received for this book, but he may find himself shut out of the Easy Money jobs former WH press flacks get when they leave DC. Or maybe he’s now set himself up for lucrative gigs as a guest commentator with the rep of Former GOP Flack Who Dared To Deviate From The Party Line. It certainly is an indication that the MSM and all its subsidiary parts are accommodating themselves to the idea of a Democratic controlled White House and Congress next year.

15. JJB - 30 May 2008

Very good piece w/r/t SM (the former POTUS pressperson, not the personal peccadillo) by Louis Bayard, who worked as a press secretary on Capitol Hill at one time:

[I]f you talk to Washington flacks, no matter their political stripe, you’re more likely to hear a measure of empathy for McClellan. If you ask them why McClellan didn’t speak up earlier, the answer will be: He was a press secretary, not an ombudsman. If you ask them why he didn’t resign, they’ll tell you that a good flack, like a good soldier, follows orders. The cause is what matters, not the individual’s pangs of conscience. And if you ask them how McClellan could turn around years later and betray his employer’s confidences … well, the more thoughtful ones might concede that betrayal, one way or another, is written into the job description.

Indeed, press secretaries are being betrayed from the moment they step into their first briefing. On “The West Wing,” Allison Janney’s C.J. Cregg may sashay in and out of the Oval Office, but in real life, White House press secretaries get relatively little face time with the president and only modest input in policy decisions. They may know much less about a given issue than the reporters who’ve been directly briefed by senior officials (producing what, in some circles, is called “the Dee Dee Myers moment”].

And because the stakes are high, the pressure to avoid slip-ups can be excruciating. “No matter how good a press secretary [you are],” Washington Post media watcher Howard Kurtz told me, “you’re thrown into the shark tank every day to get chomped on by the press. And you have limited ability to save yourself because your feet are bound with talking points.”

Watch McClellan’s old press briefings and you’ll see a man who is deeply uncomfortable in these shackles. His eyes are wary, his manner stiff — his evasions actually sound like evasions. By contrast, his Houdini-like predecessor, the suavely mendacious Ari Fleischer, could, without blanching or blushing, explain why the president’s opposition to nation building was not really an opposition to nation building. He could insist that Iraq had WMD long after even war supporters had conceded the opposite. He could maintain that Guantánamo prisoners were “receiving far better treatment than they received in the life that they were living previously.”

Sidestepping reality in this fashion obviously requires, even by the standards of the current Bush administration, an extraordinary level of discipline. (A friend of mine who worked with Fleischer years ago on the House Ways and Means Committee recalls him as eternally on message: “He’d be telling you what he did Memorial Day weekend, and he’d have the same measured, thoughtful cadence as he did talking about the earned income tax credit.”] More than that, it requires a deep-rooted hostility to the news-gathering process. Fleischer may have liked reporters as individuals; as a body, they were the enemy.

Link here.

16. JJB - 30 May 2008

Two comments in Moderation, apparently. And I have no idea why emoticons are popping up in the middle of the second one.

17. JJB - 30 May 2008

Now the accidental emoticons are gone. Weird.

18. marisacat - 30 May 2008

Sorry about the emoticons… they will appear with a quotation mark ” against a close prens. )

I just go thru and change the close prens to a bracket…

19. marisacat - 30 May 2008

Totally ridiculous crane collapse in Manhattan. Seems much worse (and the pictures are just awful) than first presented.

20. ms_xeno - 30 May 2008

I made the mistake yesterday of reading that Marcotte TPM piece somebody linked to a thread or two back. Gack. I’ve made soapdishes in ceramics classes that turned out less shallow than that. And the soapdishes didn’t take up nearly as much room, either. [rolleyes]

21. ms_xeno - 30 May 2008

Re: McClellan, it’s so cute the way Democrats can always find a “courageous” or “maverick” Rightie to wet themselves over, but anyone to the Left who looks at them sideways one day a week gets non-stop abuse, followed by shunning. Or is that the other way around– shunning followed by abuse ? I forget.

22. marisacat - 30 May 2008

LOL ms x


that was me wot linked to the Marcotte flutter butter. She takes the cake. It really is a race between she and Valenti of Feministe who blogs (or did) at NARAL for shallow.

And iirc they both have done shameful and revealing time in scatter shot mayhem with WOC bloggers. Across more than a year now…

May they vote for obama and be cleansed. Hosanna.



Oh Democrats are always happy when they think a R is “helping” them. One of their biggest institutional faults.

23. liberalcatnip - 30 May 2008

Hey catnip, maybe it’s irrational for me to point this out, but your link doesn’t work.

Sorry! link.

24. marisacat - 30 May 2008

LOL Bob Dole on McClellan:

“There are miserable creatures like you in every administration who don’t have the guts to speak up or quit….”

“You’re a hot ticket now but don’t you, deep down, feel like a total ingrate?”

I loved it when Kerry was so naive as to think Dole would belly up and help his old senate “friend” in ’04…. Yes that was amusing. to watch.

It is so clear that little Scottie Dottie is counting the glowing green dollar signs in his head.

25. liberalcatnip - 30 May 2008

There’s a live Q & A with Scotty at WaPo right now (12:30 ET). I felt twinges of sympathy for him when I watched his interview with KO last nite but a little voice inside of me kept saying, “don’t let yourself be sucked into the dark side” – my conditioned reaction to these “reformed” wingers.

26. liberalcatnip - 30 May 2008

Check out kos’ latest book cover. Too bad he couldn’t find the letters to highlight the word “EGO” instead.

27. marisacat - 30 May 2008

I really only have respect for people who QUIT. At the time, speak out and take the heat of a propped up adminsitration wanking the terror (or other) game.

I think the last few noticeable quits for principle were 3 (or so) diplomats in the run up to the war (J Brady Kisling – Infomration Officer at the embassy in Athens the most prominent, and then Ann Wright) a small number from the Intel side of the bed in the run up to 04… O’Neil seemd to go as a protest, but then faded from promoting his book, left Suskind to tour alone and without the administratioin/cabinet person the book tour died early…

3 resigned from HHS to protest Clinton welfare “reform”, Wright-Edelman (husband of Marion of Childrens Def Fund) being the most prominent.

Cyrus Vance under Jimmie.

They really have to rise to some prominence to matter.

28. marisacat - 30 May 2008

Altman, physician / reporter at the NYT, is a fly in the ointment w/r/t the Obama medical OK overview.

For “fair and balanced” Altman ws specifically barred from reviewing the McCain 1000+ pages of medical records.

29. liberalcatnip - 30 May 2008

From kos’ book thread:

Face Painting (0+ / 0-)

I just want to know how we can come to grips in the digital era on how we deal with candidates photo shopping other candidates faces from one shade, to a slightly different shade. I read somewhere that was really controversial. Then I also read it was one of the most ridiculous accusations uttered on the internet. Maybe we’ll find out!

by Garage Mahal on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:07:45 AM MDT


30. JJB - 30 May 2008

Jerry ter Horst resigned after about one month as Ford’s press secretary over the Nixon pardon.

31. liberalcatnip - 30 May 2008

27. I really only have respect for people who QUIT. At the time, speak out and take the heat of a propped up adminsitration wanking the terror (or other) game.

I agree – especially when it comes to matters of life and death.

It seems Scotty’s found another bubble to inhabit ie. believing that the fault largely lies in the “permanent campaign” mode of the administration but it seems to me that every gov’t is in that mindset (and certainly not just in the US). They govern to retain power. Of course I haven’t read his book but one of the huge lessons to come out of his experience should have been how dangerous it is to blindly follow a leader’s ideological pull without at least trying to look at the entire picture objectively (which is one of the biggest complaints I have about the cult of Obama, obviously, since almost everything he says and does is excused).

I also noted that when Scotty was asked by KO whether the DHS used terror warnings for political advantage, he basically said he didn’t know – even though Tom Ridge publicly admitted that they did back in 2005. I think Scotty has a lot of catching up to do.

32. marisacat - 30 May 2008

totally forgot about the Ford [ress guy…

I know there are others but those come to mind.

There was a very righteous rant last night on KGO, and from a host well to the right of me, about BULLSHIT on these generals. You oppsoe a war, fucking RETIRE if going thru channels fails… and SPEAK UP.

I agree with that. I have zero respect for ‘staying inside’, angling for a third or 4th star. Speaking out in hushed tones when it suits.

I had no respect for the big hoopla about a year ago for the retired generals. They all took a dive imo. Before they all dived they were exhibits in a ZOO.

There is no opposition in this country. There is mind meld.

33. marisacat - 30 May 2008

One thing this run provides is chuckles… from First Read:

*** Possible Scenario I: We’ve hesitated reporting on every rumor we’ve heard about a potential compromise, but here’s one plan … blah blah blah…

… blah blah blah… , that would put Obama 58 total delegates away from the nomination. Assuming that Obama gets 43 of the 86 remaining pledged delegates from Puerto Rico, Montana, and South Dakota, he would need … blah blah blah…

*** Possible Scenario II: Another resolution would be cutting both state delegations by 50% according to how the primary vote … blah blah blah… for a total of 28. The magic number here also is 2,118, and it would put Obama 62.5 delegates away from … blah blah blah… Obama would need 19.5 more superdelegates to clinch the nomination.

I love the “.5″s Makes it all so ponderous and scientific. Enough for America anyway…

Everybody went to DP math class the past few weeks. May they congeal.

34. liberalcatnip - 30 May 2008

What I don’t get is how the Dem party lawyers supposedly only figured out last week that only half of the delegates could be seated (?).

Another question: if the super-delegates were created to decide what to do when there’s an obvious rift, why have they been coming out with endorsements before the process is over – or have I got that wrong? I thought they were the last resort.

35. wilfred - 30 May 2008


The Pakistani scientist blamed for running a rogue network that sold nuclear secrets to North Korea, Iran and Libya has recanted his confession, telling ABC News the Pakistani government and President Perez Musharraf forced him to be a “scapegoat” for the “national interest.”
“I don’t stand by that,” Dr. A.Q. Khan told ABC News in a 35-minute phone interview from his home in Islamabad, where he has been detained since “confessing” that he ran the nuclear network on his own, without the knowledge of the Pakistani government. The interview will be broadcast Friday on “World News With Charles Gibson.”

36. ms_xeno - 30 May 2008

Mcat, #24:

Well, maybe Dole and Kerry can get some tasers and go out hunting protesters together.

37. marisacat - 30 May 2008


when we go down we will be muttering

aq khan
bin laden

and so on. Still not admitting we administered the poison to ourselves. Over and over.

38. marisacat - 30 May 2008

From Democracy NOW! I admit to absolutely loving this sort of thing…

Alleging War Crimes, British Activist, Writer George Monbiot Attempts Citizen’s Arrest on Former UN Ambassador John Bolton

John Bolton, the former US ambassador to the United Nations, escaped a citizen’s arrest Wednesday night as he addressed an audience in Britain. We speak to George Monbiot, the British activist and columnist who tried to arrest Bolton. Monbiot says Bolton is a war criminal for his role in helping to initiate the US invasion of Iraq. [includes rush transcript]

39. liberalcatnip - 30 May 2008

More political interference, no doubt: Military judge dismissed in Canadian detainee case: Pentagon

WASHINGTON (AFP) – The military judge presiding over the case of a Canadian detainee at Guantanamo Bay on Cuba has been abruptly dismissed without explanation, Pentagon officials said Friday.

Judge Peter Brownback was dismissed from the case of Omar Khadr on Thursday by Marine Colonel Ralph Kohlmann, the chief judge of the special military commissions trying war on terror detainees, said Commander Jeffrey Gordon, a Pentagon spokesman.

I guess that’s what Brownback gets for not acting like a Bushco sockpuppet.

40. wu ming - 30 May 2008

cheap gas is now $4.45 in davis. i kid you not.

at this rate, we may make 5 bucks a gallon before mid-june. some huge jumps there.

41. marisacat - 30 May 2008


agree… not long now. New bet: Over 6 by end of summer.

AND an acquaintance of mine had just paid 4.23 outside of Sacramento on Sunday….

42. brinn - 30 May 2008


yeah, even here, where it runs 10-15 cents below the national average, “cheap” gas = $3.79.

I filled up today because my “canary stations” already have $3.83 to $3.89 showing….the price has gone up over a quarter/gallon in the last 3 weeks.

AND, never forget, Sunday is the first day of hurricane season….


43. Arcturus - 30 May 2008

remember when gas was under $2.00/gal & any proposal for, say a ~ $0.25 tax to fund alternative energy was scoffed at cuz it would ruin the economy? we’ve lived on the cheap & in denial for so long now

read in the Guardian this am that the oil-price bubble may burst in the fall – not that that means cheap gas again

& from CA’s Killing Fields: 17 years old, pregnant, & dead for want of shade & water:

Teen farmworker’s death, probed as heat-related

& Employer of farmworker who died had been fined for violations [a whopping $75 per!]in 2006

44. brinn - 30 May 2008

heee heee — son the younger (going to be five in August) just told me he has a baby girl named Pete in his tummy and she won’t come out until next year.

I think I would be even more bat-shit crazy than I already am if it weren’t for these kiddos!

45. brinn - 30 May 2008

Yeah, Arcturus, I remember, I also remember saying that we were going to pay and pay big for that denial. We are whining about the price of gas (and it does suck massively), but when I lived in Japan in the early 90s gas cost the rough equivalent of $5 a LITER. I didn’t hear anyone whining.

There was so much we could have done to stave this off…I’m not sure there is any time left to do anything to avoid the crash. I have been saying for several years now that the bottom will come in mid to end of 2009. I may be wrong, but I do know we haven’t seen the worst yet…not by a long shot.

46. marisacat - 30 May 2008

well he was a horror and responsible for a lot, but the rather mild changes to ‘the way it had always been’ w/r/t energy from Jimmie were shut down pretty quick.

And, I will say what i always say, a lot easier to live with high higher always high gas prices in countries with so much transportation infrastructure that they have redundancies of modes of getting around.

I love the standard liberal line that we should learn… etc. Well we should have learned about energy conservation a long time ago, now it just is shitting on the poor, over and over. They REALLY cannot afford a country with lousy to poor to no mass transportation and a mandated need for cars. [end of rant]

America bought the rubber tire, sprawl, and gas oil farm long ago.

BTW, I recently read that except for the odd toe hold in the US, the Firestones, as a family, have decamped to Turkey.

Trash it for a 100 and more years, then move on.

47. brinn - 30 May 2008

re#46 — oh, quite right you are, Marisa, and the “not-so-poor” as well.

I should’ve added that in the 2 years I lived there, I didn’t own a car and actually purchased gas only 2 or 3 times for road trips. My bike and the train got me everywhere I needed to go.

There is the old argument that providing decent public transport is so much easier in smaller countries like Japan and the like, but I look at what the Europeans have done — ACROSS countries and I know that USAers are just making excuses for a raft of bad decisions…

48. marisacat - 30 May 2008

yes to provide and plan for transportation in the US, all they had to do was map out and look at the country as regions with various city hubs.

the car and the plane were allowed to be dominate.

49. marisacat - 30 May 2008

hmm the usual thrill-a-minute:

Meet the Press: McClellan, Obama-supporting Daschle, Clinton adviser Ickes

This Week: McClellan, Clinton chair McAuliffe

Fox News Sunday: Clinton spokesman Wolfson, Obama supporting former Rep. Bonior

Face the Nation: Obama-supporting Sen. McCaskill, Clinton-supporting Gov. Rendell

Late Edition: Dodd, Sen. Nelson, Dem strategists Simmons, Rosen, GOP strategist Sanchez

50. ms_xeno - 30 May 2008

[waves at brinn]

Well, I’ve mentioned my woes with traversing the sacred bounder between WA and OR by bus all week long.

The two transit companies, the two sets of elected officials all having their damn pissing matches, the drivers often being ill-informed jaggoffs– especially on the WA side. One of them confiscated my fare one day because he decided that I owed him extra money for the trip;Despite the fact that his company’s own website contradicted him. So I got double-dipped that day and paid about four dollars to take what would have been a twenty-five minute trip by car.

The official stance is that you should be responsible and be a good citizen and not drive. The unofficial stance is that if you ride the bus, you’re a pathetic subhuman at best and a potential criminal at worst;So bend over one more time because here it comes again.

Shit. >:

51. marisacat - 30 May 2008

The official stance is that you should be responsible and be a good citizen and not drive. The unofficial stance is that if you ride the bus, you’re a pathetic subhuman at best and a potential criminal at worst;So bend over one more time because here it comes again.


and here is another… my very Republican law firm refused to participate in the Federal (and it may be in conjunction with State and local programs as well) program of tax incentives for picking up part of an employee’s transportation costs. They thought it was unethical or Socialist or some damn thing.

Many of the bigger employers in town had an automatic… hmm 50, 60 75 dollar monthly add-on to paychecks under the program… Even if you sought to decline it as not needed (say you lived a few blocks away) they issued it anyway.

Geesh. Get with the program, for everyone’s benefit.

too right, most mass transportation is MISERABLE.

52. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 May 2008

It seems Scotty’s found another bubble to inhabit ie. believing that the fault largely lies in the “permanent campaign” mode of the administration but it seems to me that every gov’t is in that mindset (and certainly not just in the US).

Of all the lies told by the ruling duopoly and their remora (like Scottie), I hate this one the most. They aren’t “campaigns”, as in contests between dueling political groups, they are simultaneous PR campaigns run by two different companies selling indistiguishable products. I ESPECIALLY hate the AARP “Divided We Stand” insurance-marketing-masquerading-as-a-movement campaign, with that fucking purple elephantish thing logo.

A democracy is, by it’s fucking nature, a “divided” polity. Our system of law and government don’t work if there is loud, ugly, boisterous division and debate. Our problem now isn’t the “permanent campaign mode”, its that there isn’t any DEBATE in the campaigns.

53. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 May 2008

BTW, dig the new stuff lucid.

54. marisacat - 30 May 2008

hmm against my better judgment I went to read the post and thread on the latest KosCon…

Who is Celebra, and why them as publishers? (0+ / 0-)

Just curious…

by Phil S 33 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 09:35:36 AM PDT

It’s a new imprint of Penguin (0+ / 0-)

focused on mainstreaming Latino authors.

by kos on Fri May 30, 2008 at 03:17:10 PM PDT

[ Parent ]

guess he is a latino again, for now.

55. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 May 2008

I won’t even start on our dying bus system her in Milwaukee, slowly strangled to death by a County Executive (just reelected, so several more years of this shit) who supports ONLY buses that ferry suburbanites into work. The rest of the system can whither and die, and his supporters in the fucking ‘burbs love him for it. Hell, he wouldn’t even let a referendum on the ballot to ASK if citizens IN THE CITY OF MILWAUKEE PROPER, would support a 0.5% sales tax to support mass transit (vetoed it when the county board tried to put it on the spring ballot). Hell, I know sales taxes are regressive, but as long as you don’t charge it to food I think asking everybody in the city to help pony up a little for buses that you can rely upon isn’t asking too much. Hell, they passed a bigger one to build fucking Miller Stadium.

56. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 May 2008
57. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 May 2008

GMAFB … more race-baiting and other bullshit from Geraldine Ferraro:

As for Reagan Democrats, how Clinton was treated is not their issue. They are more concerned with how they have been treated. Since March, when I was accused of being racist for a statement I made about the influence of blacks on Obama’s historic campaign, people have been stopping me to express a common sentiment: If you’re white you can’t open your mouth without being accused of being racist. They see Obama’s playing the race card throughout the campaign and no one calling him for it as frightening. They’re not upset with Obama because he’s black; they’re upset because they don’t expect to be treated fairly because they’re white. It’s not racism that is driving them, it’s racial resentment (yet black resentment, a la Rev. Wright, is somehow horrible, unjustified and RACIST, right?!?). And that is enforced because they don’t believe he understands them and their problems. That when he said in South Carolina after his victory “Our Time Has Come” they believe he is telling them that their time has passed. (that is, LOCK UP YOUR DAUGHTERS, the NIGGRAS are coming!)

Whom he chooses for his vice president makes no difference to them. That he is pro-choice means little. Learning more about his bio doesn’t do it. They don’t identify with someone who has gone to Columbia and Harvard Law School and is married to a Princeton-Harvard Law graduate. His experience with an educated single mother and being raised by middle class grandparents is not something they can empathize with. They may lack a formal higher education, but they’re not stupid. What they’re waiting for is assurance that an Obama administration won’t leave them behind.

Hope, change, and inspiration don’t do it. A speech on racism might persuade editorial boards, but to these voters it’s “just words.” Obama has less than six months to make the case.

Hey, dumbasses … you’re not getting treated unfairly because you’re white, you’re getting treated unfairly because you’re poor and/or stubbornly uneducated and stupid. Why are you uneducated and stupid? Because you voted for people who sold you religion, homophobia, xenophobia, racism, militarism and the destruction of public education BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T WANT THE COURTS TO TELL YOU TO SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL WITH BLACK/BROWN/RED KIDS.

So fuck you … read the thing in the bible about reaping and sowing, you dumb motherfuckers. And don’t tell me you’re not racists, because it’s the FIRST thing you see, followed closely by your know-nothing disgust with getting a higher education.

58. marisacat - 30 May 2008

who sold you religion, homophobia, xenophobia, racism, militarism and the destruction of public education

you know what?

I voted for a fucking boatload of godamned asshole condescending fucking DEMOCRATS who sold the same load of shit with a different line of propaganda.

One fo the reasons I regret every vote I ever cast for a candidate. And unlike a boatload of “democrats” online I never once voted for a R.

No what I got handed was a generation and half of machine Democrats.

Let the Pflegers and the Ferraros and the Wrights and the Hagees and the Clintons and the Obamas OF THE EARTH tear at each other.

I wish they just ran card shark cons and not run our lives.

every single one a cash seeking missile. IMO.

59. marisacat - 30 May 2008

add women hating. To the long list. And no it is not about poor old damned Hillary.

60. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 May 2008

58 – Oh, I agree. Me too, but the thing that bugs me about her whole line is she talks around the whole problem, and uses the same tools she claims are the problems.

I’m maybe too close to the whole “reagan democrat” demographic, b/c it describes many people I grew up with and much of my family, so that whole argument really sets me off. I’m in no way arguing for Obama (who is playing the same game). It’s all bullshit, but I’m especially sick of white, xtian, working class whining about how they’re the victims. Not saying that they aren’t victims of our social setup, but that they identify and vote based upon the wrong identified enemy.

I’m sick of all of it, though I must admit the Clintons and DLC/Blue Dog assholes especially work my last nerve.

As you say, may they all congeal.

61. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 May 2008

Oh noes … San Francisco values!.

Run, hide, vote for the winger!

62. Intermittent Bystander - 30 May 2008

I’ve had a DVD of Spike Lee’s Katrina jointin my house for over a month. Maybe this weekend I’ll finally manage to finish watching Act I of the Requiem.

63. Intermittent Bystander - 30 May 2008

Rights-a-Roni – the San Francisco bleat!

64. Intermittent Bystander - 30 May 2008

Spike Lee in spam?

65. Intermittent Bystander - 30 May 2008

Snag in deal to return Texas sect kids to parents

SAN ANGELO, Texas – Parents’ hopes of quick reunions with more than 400 children removed from a polygamist sect’s ranch were dashed Friday after their attorneys and a judge clashed over proposed restrictions.

A decision by Texas District Judge Barbara Walther means that to regain custody, the 38 mothers whose filed the complaint that led the Texas Supreme Court to reject the state’s massive seizure must personally sign an agreement their attorneys and state child-welfare officials have proposed.

Walther had wanted to add restrictions to the agreement worked out by the parents’ attorneys and Texas Child Protective Services, but the parents’ attorneys argued that she didn’t have the authority.

The judge then said she would sign the initial document, but only after all 38 mothers involved in the case the high court ruled on signed it first.

66. JJB - 30 May 2008

At the opposite end of the spectrum from the picture heading this comment thread, we take you to Long Island, Dix Hills, specifically, where I grew up in a house approximately 2 miles from the McMansion that a rapper unknown to me called 50 Cent recently purchased, and, well . . ,

The Dix Hills home owned by 50 Cent that was gutted by a suspicious fire is at the center of a contentious legal battle between the rapper and his former girlfriend.

The early morning blaze destroyed the 5,200-square-foot home at Sandra Drive within minutes. Six people who were inside, including the rapper’s ex-girlfriend, Shaniqua Tompkins, and the former couple’s son, Marquise, 11, were treated for minor injuries.

The fire came Friday as 50 Cent, whose real name is Curtis Jackson, and Tompkins, 32, were embroiled in a battle for the six-bedroom house, which the rapper bought in January 2007 for $2.4 million.

Tompkins has said Jackson, 32, bought the house for her and their son. But Jackson has said the house is his and a Suffolk housing court judge in April ordered her evicted.

Then earlier this month, Tompkins sued Jackson in a Manhattan court for breach of contract. Finding that Tompkins had offered “sufficient facts to support her claim,” a judge stayed her eviction pending a future hearing.

“This is the house where they wanted to live together with their child as a family,” said Tompkins’ attorney, Paul Catsandonis.

Tompkins accused Jackson of causing the fire.

“I know this came from 50 Cent,” the hip hop star’s ex-love interest, Shaniqua Tompkins, 32, said to reporters. “I know he did it.”

Tompkins noted that a day earlier, she and her attorney had presented evidence in court supporting their claim to the house. “Now, mysteriously, the house gets burned down to the ground,” she said.

An attorney for Jackson denied that, noting he was in Louisiana at the time.

“Any suggestion that Mr. Jackson had anything whatsoever to do with the fire at his home is outrageous and offensive,” Brett Kimmel said.

A statement released on Jackson’s behalf said he “expressed deep concern over this fire at his property. He is extremely thankful that everyone including his son, Marquise, escaped the burning house safely. He is confident that authorities will be conducting a thorough investigation of the incident and is eager to review their findings.”

Dix Hills Fire Chief Larry Feld said the rapid spread of the blaze made it a “strong — a strong, strong — possibility that it is suspicious.”

This place is located a stone’s throw from a house where a woman named Alice Crimmins used to co-host skinny-dipping parties/orgies with the cross-dressing/bisexual boyfriend who ratted her out to the NYC cops who railroaded her into jail for infanticide. If you aren’t familiar with that case, Google “Alice Crimmins.” Anyway, the boyfriend had two children, both of whom I knew, one a generic BMOC quarterback two years my senior, the other a young girl my age who walked around with the saddest, most vacant expression I’ve ever seen. The scandal hit when she and I were in 8th grade. He beamed his way through the Senior Class high school yearbook, and then the family disappeared.

I guess I should also note that Amy Fisher’s lawyer during the incident that made her infamous, the guy who authored that line “he took me to expensive restaurants and took me to cheap hotels” lived 3 houses down the street from where my parents still live. Just what is there about this area that draws such people? Anyway, I’d noticed that now fire-gutted McMansion on a number of occasions when I’d gone back home to visit my parents. It’s also about a half-mile from the high school I attended. The people charged with putting out this fire that could very easily have spread to nearby houses (there’s a lot of highly flammable evergreens very close to this bit of real estate) are all volunteers who have better things to do than deal with the petty grudges of gangsters masquerading as artists. If not for their efforts, quite a few people could have been killed. It’s also very lucky that a of rain has fallen there recently.

67. marisacat - 30 May 2008

I saw a photo of the house after the fire was out… whoever did it, torched it to the ground, but for a back wall.

68. wu ming - 30 May 2008

that spike lee katrina joint was heartbreaking. just the first bit is bad enough, but the years that go by with fucking nothing done to make things right, that was too much to bear. and what kills me is, you know that if spike made a sequel, that the same damn thing is going on now.

fucking vultures.

69. marisacat - 30 May 2008

hmm parental notification qualified for the ballot again… despite being rejected thru the vote, twice, 2005, 2006.

Two wealthy Catholics are largely behind it… Sebastiani of the wine.. and an OC Catholic publisher. And the Council of Bishops of course.

70. bayprairie - 30 May 2008

so kos is disrobing his latest screed at the wortham center in houston?

heehee. i’m sure the houston literati will turn out (much like the cattle do) in droves.

too bad oklahoma city was booked.

71. bayprairie - 31 May 2008

and since we’re already on the subject of wannabe senator from texas, rick noriega:

WASHINGTON — Senate challenger Rick Noriega is relying on high-profile Democratic supporters to keep the campaign trail warm while he is away for two weeks on National Guard duty.

Noriega, who is challenging incumbent Republican Sen. John Cornyn, reports for duty Sunday with the 1-141 Infantry Battalion. Citing protocol, he was reluctant to say where his orders are taking him in Texas.

of course he’s reluctant. its bad press otherwise. he’s an upper-echelon officer in the texas guard and my five bucks says headed down to the rio bravo to interdict undocumented workers crossing over to the east bank. worker’s who are guilty of a willingness to work in this country for low wages.

72. wu ming - 31 May 2008

oh for christ’s sake, are you serious, marisa?

after shooting it down twice?

i suppose we’re going to have to vote that thing down every couple of years until they run out of money.

it’s as bad as tim eyman up in washington.

73. marisacat - 31 May 2008

wu ming

yeah back on the ballot…. Hopefully Field will poll soon on the issue…

Screw the fucking Catholics. All of them.


Doesn’t Noriega sound just great. gah.

74. marisacat - 31 May 2008

hmm it means there will be an abortion/teen issue AND gay marraige on the Nov ballot.

And whatever else.

75. wu ming - 31 May 2008

one of these years, californians will break these people off at the knees, out of sheer irritation. hopefully this is the year they take the show somewhere else.

i suspect a ham-fisted attempt to drive little fractures between white, black and latino dems in november as well. it didn’t play in 05/06, hopefully it doesn’t take this year either. the youth vote coming out for obama should help a lot, but i would love to just bury this stuff decisively.

so fucking tired of it all. at least pick a new sin to scold the neighbors about, like onanism or something.

76. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2008

Ballot Off™. Apply directly to the fundies.

77. marisacat - 31 May 2008


fractures between white black and latino? You think?

They better worry about gathering in white women – as well. And I see no sign of it. None…and I took some time tonight to tour the lousy shit kicker blogs. I don’t pay much attention to polls, I consider them part of chatter, but the new numbers out of Pew should be noted.

No sign of it… in fact what I see is working it in the other direction, and working it hard. These boys that run the blogs and their Dem party connections know perfectly well what they are doing.

78. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 May 2008

so fucking tired of it all. at least pick a new sin to scold the neighbors about, like onanism or something.

Isn’t the continual re-filing of defeated measures a FORM of onanism?

79. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2008

My cats want to know why Robert Wexler is yelling.

80. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 May 2008

my imaginary cat wants to know why you are torturing your poor cats …


When I turned on CNN and saw that hearing, the first thing I saw was the little sign on the front of the table coming loose on one corner. It hung there, swinging back and forth, sorta like the party.

2 of the 3 cable nets, and C-Span, showing their dog-and-pony show live, and they can’t even get a decent setup of their tables.

I’ll stick to CNN International.

81. marisacat - 31 May 2008

Apparently the party’s big worry today is that they look “together” (as in, nto emotionally overwrought) and businesslike.

Well they said it, I didn’t…

82. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 May 2008

Speaking of not looking together

83. marisacat - 31 May 2008

from the Ambinder live blog:

10:08: a.m. Dean blames the media for “sexist” and “racist” remarks. “That will stop.”

10:07: a.m.: Dean refers to “five intellectually bankrupt members of the U.S. Supreme Court” who took the 2004 election away from Al Gore.

10:06: a.m.: Howard Dean tells a story about how Al Gore calmed one of his rants about the state of the Democratic party back in 2003. “Howard, you know, this is not about you, this is about your country.”

ah yes. the famous moment when Howard wanted to LEAVE THE FUKCING PARTY LIKE AN ADULT WOULD DO, after Iowa.

LOL this should go well, esp with the “sexist racist media” (what? Us? Democrats?? never!) still around to screw things up.

Too funny. A parade of the wounds.

84. marisacat - 31 May 2008


worse … in 2001, 2002 I would comfort myself with Waxman’s file cabinets.

So over them.

85. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2008

my imaginary cat wants to know why you are torturing your poor cats …

In my defence, it was completely unintentional! I turned on the teevee and there he was and I was wondering if he was having a mic malfunction. Could he please yell just a little bit louder?? Not to worry though – Obama Cat has gone outside and the elder queen cat quickly took cover so their poor little ears have now recovered. 😉

I don’t know if I have enough tea to survive this circus.

86. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 May 2008

flipped it back on, only to be treated to that walking corpse, Bill Nelson. Is it just me, or does he look like an undead version of Robert Wagner?

Think I’m going to go out for a while. Sunny & 70s here … might as well go out and enjoy it.

87. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 May 2008

so much concern for voters from a party that doesn’t resist Republican disenfrancisement, a party that does everything it can to keep Greens and other parties off of the ballot.

bastards, all of them.

88. Madman in the Marketplace - 31 May 2008
89. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2008

What a clusterfuck. Why doesn’t the Dem party just draw straws to decide which state should go first in the primaries each time?

90. marisacat - 31 May 2008

hmm well word was around that “the fix” was in… but the sense today is that they got hardly anywhere at their 5.5 hour (”.5” is critical to appear important) private dinner last night, with 28 of the 30 in attedance….

hmm my guess they will staple something together, claim they addressed all issues and “concerns” and clomp onward. Supposedly one of the big fears is that they not wind this up today, all neat and businesslike within a working day.

Bonne Chance…

In other news, it seems Axelrod has a documentary hanging fire on the good Fr Pfleger. As well he serves on the board of the church.

Separation of Church and State?

All you can do is laugh.

91. wu ming - 31 May 2008

gojg back over the 2005 and 2006 results by county, the trend is reassuring, from 52-47 no to 55-45 no. still closer than i’d like, but in the right direction. the other point of hope is that a lot of those counties that blew out 2-1 in 2005, in the foothills and down the valley, were ,more like 55-45 or 50-50 in 2006. the sac exurbs up in the gold country were surprisingly close, for their reputation as GOP strongholds.

as much as the online blogheelers might not give a damn, i suspect that (long with the slow generational tidal shift on sexual and social issues) one major part of those numbers moving is pro-choice white republican women crossing over. as the valley gets more and more suburban, and newcomers move in to work at the office parks of sacramento, we’re getting a different sort of republican suburbanite, in place of the old conservative farm town model. still reactionary on a lot of stuff (arcturus will vouch for that), but they’ll deviate on school funding, and apparently rightwing abortion bills as well.

one thing to watch after the nov. election is counted is what the overall % ends up being, and how those inland counties break down. my guess is that the marriage amendment will follow a different pattern, although the effect of those june marriages on counties far from SF is anyone’s guess. could be a positive (as people see their friends and neighbors married, and get a stake in it not being overturned), could be a negative (as something that was safely “bay area” comes to disrupt their little mayberries). probably a bit of both, truth be told.

92. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2008

90. hmm my guess they will staple something together, claim they addressed all issues and “concerns” and clomp onward.

This is all so incredibly undemocratic – the whole system.

In other news, it seems Axelrod has a documentary hanging fire on the good Fr Pfleger.

I wonder when that’s coming out. lol

93. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2008

I finally got my very first cell phone hooked up. 1990s here I come! 🙂

94. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2008

Donna Brazile is playing yo mama to make her point.

95. marisacat - 31 May 2008


I followed the parental notification in ’05 closely, it would have been a sorry night but for the 9 bay area counties and the strength of numbers over in Alameda pulled it up a lot.

Afterwards i did searches and the ”no” forces (the pro choice pro teen vote, imo) had blanketed the state with editorials and opinion pieces. NOW and iirc to a lesser extent NARAL along with LofWVoters, Democratic party, and the CA AMA had fully joined forces. A lot of phone banking and canvassing. This is the full on alliance that the Democratic party will with hold in other states. The ad that was run was smart and subversive. They used “Keeping Teens safe” as the foundation for the NO vote. Inspired.

I could not pay as much attention in 06 and remembered the vote as closer than 10 pts.

The Catholic bishops will not be giving up… nor will the funders of this foolishness.

thsi does not negate that the party, at the national level, has, imo, abandoned choice. They hope, in their collaborative mentality, to “save birth control”. And there is still the foundational basis of Griswold that I believe is the real objective in rolling back abortion. Not doing anything so blunt as overturning Roe… but we live under Casey and NOT Roe

96. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2008

Hmmm..it looks like they’re launching the Dem rules committee into space…or something. Hasta la vista, babies!

97. marisacat - 31 May 2008

knu thred


………….. 8)

98. marisacat - 31 May 2008


do they have their binkies… or their well wetted down thumbs?

if so all is fine.

99. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2008

Okay. Why is Barbara Boxer talking about Dog and the garden of Eden on C-SPAN? Apparently that was the Dem response to Bush’s radio address about climate change. Jeebus on a stick. Stop the preaching.

100. liberalcatnip - 31 May 2008

link to Boxer’s address.

“Right now, many of our states, including my home state, are leading. They have the will. Our mayors are leading. They have the will. Religious leaders have urged us to act now as well. They reminded me of a wonderful quote that motivates me to work as hard as I can for as long as it takes to responsibly address global warming. These words stay with me: ‘When God created the first man, he took him around to all the trees in the Garden of Eden and said to him “see my handiwork, how beautiful and choice they are. Be careful not to ruin and destroy my world, for if you do ruin it, there is no one to repair it after you.”‘

“I truly hope that you will support our efforts on the Senate floor. Please join our fight, and thanks for listening.”

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