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War consumes peace 13 June 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Lie Down Fall Down Dems, WAR!.

At the Bastille in Paris, 2000: Vassili Gerello as Napoleon in War and Peace – directed by Francesca Zambello – Co production Opera National de Paris with San Francisco War Memorial Opera [photo: Ken Howard]

hmm Could be wrong, but I think our ”listener” is going to pick a War Man for his No 2, tho in two interviews with Webb recently, it does sound as though Webb does not want it… Or, LOL, the pro-life Catholic Kaine… whose state was said to be cranking up the execution process following a 15 day moratorium, the minute the SC ruling came down… cannot catch up to TX, but he can try…

Obviously there were never going to be 10 unmoderated Town Hall events… Obama would not be giving McCain such beneficial exposure, but what it has fallen to, an added debate to the usual three presidential debates (all moderated to death, I would guess) and now a SINGLE Town Hall on low viewership July 4, is a fucking joke. Obama, imo, needs to be less of whiner and start ACE-ING stuff. Basically, this is discussing the wedding gown, the catering and the photographer, forever.

Yes, the proposed NYC event McCain went ahead and held at Federal Hall was packed with cronies and supporters… what a shock. So was Obama’s stump style gaming of his Great Race Speech. Cronies, supporters and friendly black clerics – a far cry from JFK’s speech to anti-papists in Texas…

I’ll admit one of the flash backs I get often, lately, is of Clinton announcing that his FOB McLarty, chief of Arkla, would be his Chief of Staff. And he announced it with visible tears in his eyes. What a fucking mistake. And a joke. On us all.


A couple of comments from the end of the last thread that languished in Moderation (the Evil Filter God of the Blogs):


He’s on a roll.

“There are some fantastic quotations, in particular the unctuous Keith Olberman, a gussied-up sportscaster whose sanctimonious monologues on the depredations of the Bush years get passed around liberal Netrootsia as if they’re utterances straight out of the Nazarene mouth. Lordy.”

Sweet Jebbus, I wish I could write like that.

“voluntary evacuation of downtown Des Moines”

Well at least some one thought “to secure consecrated hosts.”





hey 97! i wonder if booman realizes that is that if conley victory holds, his progressive netroots just suffered a defeat. at least in the sense that cone is often seen posting in the atrios threads and seems liked and probably should be counted as a progressive.

and this is a little snapshot of who defeated the progressive, from the booman link

…But, assuming Conley wins, we’ll have another candidate that falls roughly into the Cazayoux/Childers mold. …


Conley, a North Myrtle Beach Democrat who voted for Ron Paul in South Carolina’s Republican presidential primary, says he believes his opposition to abortion rights, belief in marriage between a man and a woman and opposition to illegal immigration strike the right chord for voters here.

“I can grab a significant portion of the pie that would otherwise not vote Democrat,” he said in a recent interview.


Conley refers to likely GOP presidential candidate Sen. John McCain as “Juan McCain,” for advocating last year’s failed immigration bill that would have provided a path to citizenship…

whats really in play here is the same old southern “populism”.

The general idea seems to be that some progressive agenda can be effected in the south, sidestepping and not confronting Neo-Confederacy. This is despite the historical record of biracial coalitions in the 1890s and the Virginia Readjusters in the 1870s being defeated by Neo-Confederacy.

Part of this is because some white progressives in the south may think they are the most advanced thing, but they never have left the plantation. The abandonment of Green Party congressional candidate, Vanderbilt University mathematics professor and African American Jonathan Farley to the Neo-Confederate wolves in Nashville, Tennessee after Farley criticized the Confederate tradition, reveals the Green Party to be the white party after all. This is not a unique event with some progressive elements in the south who time and time reveal themselves to be good sons and daughters of the Confederacy. Being prisoners of a Confederate identity, they can not effectively advance a progressive politics. Banal white nationalism short circuits progressive politics all too often.

Outside the South this reactionary complex, the Confederate-identified South, is not comprehended as what it is. There might be some comments about conservatives in the south, but the Confederate nationalist South as the origin of these reactionary politics is not comprehended. When the Confederacy is brought up, it is seen as an obstacle to prying few a few loose Southern electoral votes and congressional seats from the Republican party.

Given the economic status of the south and the average income, it should be the bastion of the Democratic Party, in fact the left wing of the Democratic Party, instead of the Right wing of the Republican Party. This was perceived by Howard Dean, former 2004 Democratic presidential candidate in his statement about having economic issues as the politics to get the votes of the guys with the Confederate flags. This statement both shows what Dean understands and what he doesn’t understand at all. It is the very Confederate flag which represents a view that the holder’s interests are ultimately their white skin and a privileged position in society as a white man versus gays, minorities, feminists, immigrants, and others. The Confederate tradition is the anti-democratic tradition and short circuits the politics of class.

There will not be a sustained progressive politics in the South or in the nation as a whole as long as there is a Confederate nation within the American nation. If there is to be a secure basis of democratic politics in America this must be understood.

However, we have not understood this, and so we find ourselves today in a nation rapidly becoming the Confederate States of America.

make your bed boys, and lay in it. the big stinking tent of the new southern strategy is knocking on your door.

***close of bay’s comment***

Bingo!. And, what i always say, we are still in post Civil War Reconstruction. The years go by, but it and The Confederacy stay on.

Speaking of the Confederacy and how it extends beyond the South, just heard on the radio that Russert died. Apparently Drudge has the story, such as it is. Collapsed and succumbed. Whatever will NBC do, I ask you.



1. marisacat - 13 June 2008

Come to think of it, what will Carville and Matalin do without Le Russert.

No need to watch MTP, it will be total lugubrious wake.

2. marisacat - 13 June 2008

From Hedda Drudge…

Russert, 58, was vacationing with his family in Italy, he returned last night. Collapsed while recording a track at bureau in DC… More…

3. JJB - 13 June 2008

Here is what the NY Times has:

Tim Russert, the host of “Meet the Press,” and NBC’s Washington bureau chief, has died. He was 58.

Mr. Russert was a towering figure in American journalism and moderated several debates during the recent presidential primary season.

Tom Brokaw, the former anchor of NBC Nightly News, came on the air at 3:39 p.m. that Mr. Russert had collapsed and died early this afternoon while at work. He had just returned from Italy with his family.

Mr. Russert hailed from Buffalo and worked for two prominent New York Democrats, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Gov. Mario Cuomo, before being hired in 1984 by NBC in its Washington bureau. He became bureau chief four years later.
We will have more shortly.

I guess that means we won’t be getting any Super Important Questions such as “What is your favorite Bible verse?” in the debates this fall.

“[A] towering figure in American journalism,” indeed. Actually, his journalistic credentials were remarkably slim even for this era. He never worked as a “journalist,” per se (i.e., never worked at a newspaper or magazine), he had a job as a Moynihan staffer and then went directly into TV news.

Wikipedia, never letting moss grow on a no-longer rolling stone, has the following:

Reports state that Russert died of an apparent heart attack while recording a production track in Washington, D.C. on June 13, 2008, a day after returning from vacation in Italy. Reports also say he was returning from Boston, where he was celebrating his son’s graduation from Boston College with his family.

Tom Brokaw reported live on NBC and MSNBC at 3:43pm EDT that Russert collapsed in the NBC News Bureau in Washington while managing some audio footage.

Russert was a very useful tool that the war criminals who ruled us employed to funnel their propaganda. He wasn’t their only loudspeaker, but certainly was one of their most effective ones. About the only difference between Russert and Guckert/Gannon is that the former was slightly less transparent, and made a lot more money, the latter factor raising the question as to which one prostituted himself more egregiously.

RIP, and tant pis.

4. aemd - 13 June 2008

Hey, if Wonkette has got it, it must be true. refreshin’ (F5’ing) google news

What ?, what ?, I’m bein’ too offensive. Not proper enough… well too fucking bad. I’ve buried friends, parents and lovers. I have no tolerance for our national worship of the dead.

Is “tant pis” french for “too fucking bad” ??? (catch as catch can 1-12 education… deal with it 😉 )

5. JJB - 13 June 2008

Is “tant pis” french for . . .

Kind of. It means “too bad,” but with an unspoken element of “so what?” I guess it’s pretty close to the English expression the French might translate as “merde de fers” (sorry to be so vague, but I’m typing this at work, it’s a two word phrase the first of which is “tough” ).

6. marisacat - 13 June 2008

To be honest I always thought the Bushies/Rovians put Gannon Guckert in the WH press corps to laugh at the so called legitimate press. That’s how it seemed to me.

No need for reverence for Russert, he will get it in buckets from the DC crap heap. The Catholic hierarchy, the pols, the insiders, the thieves and so on. I always feel I don’t have time to be reverential, of that sort… LOL. Life is too short…

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 June 2008

Both CNN and MSNBC are in full-out Ford-style weeping and wailing. Is it bad that I smiled when the news came over NPR? I cannot give words to the relief that this Presidential campaign will be Timmeh free.

Too bad your Invisible Catholic Daddy isn’t there Timmeh, you apologist for bigotry and warmongering, and good fucking riddance.

8. marisacat - 13 June 2008

LOL Short is best (via Ambinder)

John McCain:

“I am very saddened by Tim Russert’s sudden death. Cindy and I extend our thoughts and prayers to the Russert family as they cope with this shocking loss and remember the life and legacy of a loving father, husband and the preeminent political journalist of his generation. He was truly a great American who loved his family, his friends, his Buffalo Bills, and everything about politics and America. He was just a terrific guy. I was proud to call him a friend, and in the coming days, we will pay tribute to a life whose contributions to us all will long endure.”

Barack Obama:

We all I think have heard the news about Tim Russert. Ive known Tim Russert since I first spoke at the convention in 2004. He’s somebody who overtime I came to consider not only a journalist but a friend. There wasnt a better interviewer in TV, not a more thoughtful analyst of our politics and he was also one of the finest men I knew. Somebody who cared about America, cared about the issues, cared about family. I am griefstricken with the loss and my thoughts and prayers go out to his family. And I hope that even though Tim is irreplaceable that the standard that he set in his professional life and his family life are standards that we all carry with us in our own lives.”

Former vice president Al Gore:

The US and the world have a lost a great journalist, interviewer and author. He was an original and will be greatly missed

9. marisacat - 13 June 2008


Be a booster.

10. marisacat - 13 June 2008

I cannot give words to the relief that this Presidential campaign will be Timmeh free.

Too true…

and part of the drippiness is that Lordy! Cry to the Heavens, he died TWO DAYS BEFORE FATHER”S DAY.

We are juveniles.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 June 2008

I had to flip to Star Trek reruns. Suzanne Malveux reminiscing about how he was her “rabbi” and called her “kiddo” was all I could take.

12. lucid - 13 June 2008

You watching Voyager too?

13. brinn - 13 June 2008


thank the great cactus that I checked in here first — I was about to turn on the TV for a few before we went off to a baseball game with the family….

shit. I hope that Timmeh’s demise is not a focus of tonight’s — usually tolerable/ignorable after a few draft beers on the Home Run porch — faux patriotic uberbullshit that accompanies baseball games in USALand….

At least they have fireworks on Friday nights…

hell, at this point I’ll take my little pleasures where I can, ya know?

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 June 2008

12 – yup!

Killing some time before tonight’s Aimee Mann concert.

15. aemd - 13 June 2008

“merde de fers”

Hmm, hard, iron, tough…shit. Yeah, sure, I can see that. “Tough Shit” = “Too Fuckin’ Bad”.

“It means “too bad,” but with an unspoken element of “so what?” Oh yeah, ya know that “so what” slides (translates) so easy into “fuckin”. Well to my mind, anyway. 😉

LOL, the silly season has made me silly.

BTW, for those that can’t do anything but believe… I’m so goin’ to hell.

“preeminent political journalist” , “not a more thoughtful analyst of our politics”, “I am griefstricken with the loss”
Bein’ stuck in a room with that man would be hell. No Exit. May he find his petty, pearly white redemption in the arms of his violent, misogynist god.

16. Heather-Rose Ryan - 13 June 2008

“Shit of iron”? Wow… that’s pretty funny.

I like the Brit expression “Hard cheese”.

In this country I’ve heard “Tough darts” – not quite sure what that means.

My favorite version of that expression is “Tough titty, said the kittty”, which would be a great motto for Ms. MCat 😉

BTW, I’m shedding no tears for Russert – not that I hated him or anything, but he was never what I would call a giant of journalism.

The last TV news guy I really mourned was Frank Reynolds. But I was a kid back then.

17. marisacat - 13 June 2008

oh the dripiness is to die over.

I have on KGO radio… which has suddenly dedicated two hours to Russert and “remembering our dads”. ?????????

we are called to honor Tim. WTF?

WTF? I have real problems with the expected reverence for anyone at all these days. Like Russert was a meld of Jefferson, Adams and Washington. I don’t wnat to “revere” them either…


H-RH … yeah “tough tittie kittie …” is a good one. Think at some point I used it as a post title… LOL

18. marisacat - 13 June 2008


An unbelievable shock; this city will all but shut down over the next few days, so vital was he to its voice. I did not know him personally, but I know many people who did and they are devastated; passionate about politics and his integrity, he nurtured so many careers and is responsible for so many innovations in modern political journalism. He was, for everything that people may they know about about him, much more of a creature of Buffalo than a denizen of Washington. Above all, an unbelievable father to Luke and a loyal, devoted husband to Maureen Orth. A life marvelously well lived.


LOL w hat can you do but laugh? Aha! “innovations”, he was then an INVENTOR. So he was Benjamin Franklin as well.
How did i miss it?

19. marisacat - 13 June 2008


glad the concert did not washout…


20. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 June 2008

well, as we all know America is the most exceptional place on Earth, so anybody who climbs to the top of our very bloody heap must be extra special, super-dooper, ultisimo exceptional themselves … some kind of combined embodiment of a founding father, davey crocket and babe ruth, all wrapped up in a church-going expensive suit!

All with a sweet cherry pie center.

The really pathetic thing about all of this is how much it reveals the outsized regard those in the media have for themselves:

Timmeh was special.

We knew and learned from Timmeh.

Ergo … we’re special!


21. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 June 2008

19 – It’s being held at an old Opera House, the Pabst Theater, that they restored several years ago. I hear it’s a good place to see a show, this will be the first I’ve seen there. It’s about the same era as the Beacon in NYC. They have three old houses that that non-profit has restored: the Riverside, Pabst and and the Turner Hall Ballroom.

Milwaukee’s jewel box, The Pabst Theater, was built in 1895 by brewing magnate Captain Frederick Pabst, (left) and was designed by architect Otto Strack in the tradition of the great European opera houses. Its opulent Baroque interior includes an Austrian crystal chandelier, a staircase crafted from white Italian Carrara marble, and a proscenium arch — highlighted in gold leaf — framing the stage.

The Pabst Theater rose from the ashes of a theater known as Das Neue Deutsche Stadt-Theater (The New German City Theater), which had been built by Captain Pabst in 1890. When informed of the fire while on vacation in Europe in 1895, Captain Pabst reportedly cabled “Rebuild at once!” In a remarkably short time — just 11 months — the theater was rebuilt.

The new building had many innovations that were later copied by other theaters. State-of-the-art fireproofing measures included having a superstructure of cast iron and concrete — with only the stage floor and window frames constructed of wood — and the traditional “fire curtain” (which can be lowered to separate the audience from the stage) was a unique fabrication of wire mesh designed to outlast most any fire. Semi-cantilevered construction for the balcony and gallery eliminated view-blocking columns common to theaters of the day, and backstage the theater boasted the first use in the city of a complete permanent steel counterweight system to fly scenery and draperies, and the first use of an all-electric lighting system in the United States. The theater repeated an element that had been present in the Stadt: the use of names of notable artists inscribed about the cornice of the drum-shaped auditorium. At the Stadt, the names had been of German notables; at the Pabst, other nations are represented as well. The dominant ornament in the auditorium is a seven-foot tall statue of Apollo, flanked by the muses of Drama and Song, upon the apex of the proscenium arch.

The theater was extensively renovated in 1928, then restored to its original style in 1976, making it one of the most beautiful theaters in the United States. With a full proscenium stage that includes a hydraulic orchestra pit, the theater is suitable for virtually all performing arts including theater, opera, dance, and music. The auditorium is drum shaped with two balconies, and stunningly decorated in reds and maroons with gold and silver accents. A magnificent crystal chandelier that weighs over two tons hangs over the auditorium. Measuring twelve feet in width by sixteen feet high, it is lowered to seat level once a year so that its 33,000 running inches of Austrian crystal can be cleaned.

Can you tell I’m excited? I last saw Aimee at the Town Hall several years ago. She is very entertaining.

Milwaukee is actually a pretty good place to live for live music.

22. marisacat - 13 June 2008

Flags in Buffalo will fly at half mast.

Oh surely in DC and at the Vatican too?

23. brinn - 13 June 2008

re#20 urgho! 😉

I was glad to hear you’re relatively dry, madman — here in Austin we’re working on our 15th day of 3-digit temps. Not normal even here in June and yet the TV is full of the terrible “heatwave” back east….

Where’s Amiee Mann playing?

24. brinn - 13 June 2008

apropos of absolutely nothing…I LOVE Friday the 13ths. Was bron on a Sunday, but have had excellent b’day on on Fridays — 15, 21, another one or two in there somewhere — the next one is next year, and I cannot WAIT.

It’s the Saturday the 14ths that scare me…. not.

25. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 June 2008

I live right downtown, which was fairly untouched. There are other parts of the city where there are problems, and several of the suburbs are a mess. We’re coming into festival season here, so a lot of effort goes into cleaning up downtown tout de suite. They actually had street sweepers out last night at midnight clearing debris that was getting washed into the sewers so that the roads wouldn’t get flooded.

26. aemd - 13 June 2008

“he nurtured so many careers”
Oh, I bet he did just that. Quite the little kingmaker.

Oh Marc. What? Did you think when other reporters refered to Timmah as “bigfoot” they was talkin’ ’bout somethin’ else. It’s too late to drop to your knees and open your mouth. Too bad, so sad.

27. marisacat - 13 June 2008

hmmm BAR has an article on the hidden story of the new DTV era. Sounds like a wasteland, frankly. Compared to what it could be…

Although the airwaves are the property of the public under US law, and broadcasters receive their licenses from the FCC only on the condition that they serve the public interest, neither Congress nor the FCC, have attached any public service or public interest requirement to the thousands of new DTV channels that current broadcasters will receive. And current broadcasters, according to the deal worked out by Congress and the FCC back in the 1990s, are the only ones upon whom the new stations made possible by DTV will be bestowed. They’re in. Congress and the FCC, in their wisdom didn’t think local governments, schools, colleges, libraries, unions, community organizations, local churches, blacks, Latinos or females deserved a shot at any of the thousands of new DTV channels. They’re out. That’s it and that’s all.

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 June 2008

btw Brinn, if you’re already melting down there, what are you going to do in August?!?!

29. ms_xeno - 13 June 2008

The weather is beautiful here, but it’s wasted on me. I’m in a foul mood. Don’t ask. I’d will it to you unfortunates if I only could.

A friend sent me another damn Olberman clip. All it did was make my three days-running headache worse. I emailed my friend and begged him to never do that again.

Blecch. >:

30. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 June 2008

29 – It’s all of the LaRouche you read ms_x! Talk to mr_x about some fine, cool, refreshing Obamaide and that foul mood will dry up and blow away like a hairy-legged-women’s-study professor’s unused womb!

31. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 June 2008

Anyway, I’ll probably check in after listening to some wonderful songs of heartbreak and human disfunction! Have fun.

32. ms_xeno - 13 June 2008

I bought fresh tomatoes at the Farmer’s Market for tonight’s supper, Madman.

After I’m dead, you’ll be sorry you were so mean to me.


33. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2008

Oh, I just can’t wait til Sunday!

The cowboy image has suffered mightily with the fake one we’ve had in office for the past seven years. In the interests of rehabilitating that image, mcjoan explores the Cowboy Myth and the cowboy reality and whether either could get us out of the pickle the cowboy-wannabe has put us in.

34. marisacat - 13 June 2008

Seek Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesuhs! He knows all saves all.

Well maybe not ALL.

35. marisacat - 13 June 2008

hmm I just scammed this from Stan Goff’s blog:

Chris Hedges in the Asia Times:

War as betrayal

“This unit sets up this traffic control point, and this 18-year-old kid is on top of an armored Humvee with a .50-caliber machine gun,” remembered Sergeant Geoffrey Millard, who served in Tikrit with the 42nd Infantry Division. “And this car speeds at him pretty quick and he makes a split-second decision that that’s a suicide bomber, and he presses the butterfly trigger and puts 200 rounds in less than a minute into this vehicle. It killed the mother, a father and two kids. The boy was aged four and the daughter was aged three.

“And they briefed this to the general,” Millard said, “and they briefed it gruesome. I mean, they had pictures. They briefed it to him. And this colonel turns around to this full division staff and says, ‘If these f—ing hajis learned to drive, this shit wouldn’t happen’.”

Millard and tens of thousands of other veterans suffer not only delayed reactions to stress but this crisis of faith. The God they knew, or thought they knew, failed them. The church or the synagogue or the mosque, which promised redemption by serving God and country, did not prepare them for the awful betrayal of this civic religion, for the capacity we all have for human atrocity, for the stories of heroism used to mask the reality of war.

36. marisacat - 13 June 2008

6.9 North of Tokyo… 240 miles N, they say….

37. Heather-Rose Ryan - 13 June 2008

18. “I did not know him personally […] Above all, an unbelievable father to Luke and a loyal, devoted husband to Maureen Orth.”

Hmph. In my day, the griefstricken impassioned eulogies were given by people who actually KNEW the deceased. You know – in person.

Now, in our era of Cheap Tawdry Media Histrionics, anyone with a microphone or a keyboard can leap into the shrieking mob of professional mourners and do the rending-garments/tearing-hair thing.

22, MCat – LOL!!

30, Madman-

foul mood will dry up and blow away like a hairy-legged-women’s-study professor’s unused womb!

LOL! Good one.

33. Oh nice, Mcjoan’s going to rehabilitate the archetypal symbol of White Manliness. Why am I not surprised?

What an edgy “gatecrasher” she is.

38. marisacat - 13 June 2008

What a gusher of a day. NBC is virtually an altar… Please Jesus let it be over by Monday………

39. jam.fuse - 13 June 2008

Re lucid from last thread: I was told Rage was representing with original lineup indeed. I am not really familiar with their oeuvre personally.

Tough Darts was also a seventies noo yawk punk band of some stripe.

Feels like an october evening here, very lovely

40. marisacat - 13 June 2008

they seem very anxious to tell us that Russert was ”deeply devoted” to Maureen Orth.

He must have been schtuping somebody in DC, pretty publicly.

41. ms_xeno - 13 June 2008

More hairline fissures appearing in Dem-Feminist-land ?

Within five comments, somebody’s already swearing to vote McKinney.


42. marisacat - 13 June 2008


Sally Quinn on NBC saying it is ”like when Jack Kennedy died”. She is totally rambling keeps calling Tim “Quinn” Williams tried to stop her but she KEPT GOING>>. LOL

I wonder if she is drunk…


43. ms_xeno - 13 June 2008

Stop drinking ?!?!

But I haven’t even started yet !!

[sulk x 2]

44. moiv - 13 June 2008

Never mind Timmeh’s ascent unto paradise. After seeing Obama’s donation directive pass largely uncriticized, I’m more interested in his latest move: “all ur DNC iz belong to me.”

In a major shakeup at the Democratic National Committee — and a departure from tradition — large parts of the committee’s operations are relocating to Chicago to be fully integrated with the Obama campaign.

The DNC’s political department, housed in Washington, D.C., will be dramatically rebuilt, with staffers offered a choice of moving to Chicago, joining state operations, or staying in Washington, DNC spokeswoman Karen Finney said.

But the power will clearly be shifting to a centralized Chicago hub.

The DNC’s key role in coordinating political operations with state parties is expected to largely be taken over and overseen by Obama’s senior staff in Chicago, state party officials said.


People familiar with the plan said that state party staffers paid for under Howard Dean’s 50 State Program would be shifted to working for the presidential campaign, at least in targeted battleground states.

The move reflects Obama’s desire to maintain an unusually streamlined campaign, as well as his swift and complete takeover of a Democratic Party that isn’t always known for its unity.

If they expect to get any lunch money, they’ll damn sure be unified now.

45. moiv - 13 June 2008

Thanks for the warnings, everybody. Otherwise I might have turned on the tee-vee or looked at dKos.

Now I can just go make some Costa Rican coffee and find a book instead.

46. marisacat - 13 June 2008

oh i noticed his squirrelly donation scam… AND the DNC is ME routine.

I think it stinks to hell. All of it.

The Clintons drained the DNC… and my guess is the parties who prop up obama will too. Wearing crosses, supporting Israel and being as big thieves as all the rest.

47. Heather-Rose Ryan - 13 June 2008

40- funny, that was my thought too.

42 –

Sally Quinn on NBC saying it is ”like when Jack Kennedy died”. She is totally rambling keeps calling Tim “Quinn” Williams tried to stop her but she KEPT GOING

Wow, Sally Quinn is still alive?? I’m so glad I’m missing all of this. The only TV I’ve watched today is some golf coverage.

Sports, old movies, and a few kids’ shows are the only things worth watching on TV. And even then, not often.

48. Heather-Rose Ryan - 13 June 2008

Pro-choice feminists voting for McCain???? Where is this preposterous crap coming from?

49. JJB - 13 June 2008

One interesting note, when I got home, Brian Williams, Pete Williams, and someone else whose name didn’t register with me (a woman) were going on and on about Timmeh, and I found it very interesting that Tweety “Blueballs” Matthews wasn’t with them. It came out last year that Tweety hates Timmeh, no doubt because he’d more successfully ass-kissed his way to the Press The Meet gig. I imagine there were a few champagne corks popped Chez Tweety this evening. One man’s death is another man’s career opportunity, after all.

50. Heather-Rose Ryan - 13 June 2008

49 – well, frankly, I thought Tweety and Timmeh were interchangeable. They both have that stodgy roundfaced beady-eyed whiteboy look that goes so well with priestly raiment and Nazi uniforms.

51. Intermittent Bystander - 13 June 2008

Oh my goodness, I do believe I’ve found the motherlode of appropriate imagery for this very solemn occasion.

52. marisacat - 13 June 2008


oh that is truly on target. Pumpkinhead.

And Good Luck Jamie Wyeth… LOL the third one down in the wheeled basket wtih some serous “reach out” is too special for words…..

53. marisacat - 13 June 2008


oh I can see Tweety seriously thinking he can now have Russert’s [bigger better paid higher profile] job. Ludicrous fat faced boy child, Catholic, Hill experience..twins, in love with “Dad”… yeah sure why not.


54. Intermittent Bystander - 13 June 2008

Learned of Timmeh’s demise this afternoon when I overheard the owner of a tiny second-hand clothing shop calling her mother to tell her, so as to break the news gently. I was probably less shocked by the heart attack report than by the ten minutes of telephone praise and consolation by an ordinary human that followed.

Never fancied Timmeh as much of a Peter, myself. Au contraire.

55. marisacat - 13 June 2008

LOL one of the call ins to KGO this afternoon said “we should be comforted that he had just completed a wonderful family trip to italy, and that the son had just graduated from Boston U, so this was a peak time of his life”.

you wonder, do these people have families, of their own? Or what?

56. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2008

Tweety’s in Paris. KO interviewed him. I decided to have a nap instead of watching the rest of KO’s ridiculous bloviations – “No home town was ever more proud of a native son…” (puhlease). Then when I woke up and flipped on the teevee agin, it was KO’s rerun! Ugh! You’d think G*d died. Seriously.

57. Intermittent Bystander - 13 June 2008

Jamie Wyeth’s site, with bio. (His grandpa was pretty terrific, too, but his dad’s stuff always left me cold.)

56 – Obviously the gaggle is going whole hog.

(BTW – sympathies re packing. Excellent bumper sticker results!)

58. Heather-Rose Ryan - 13 June 2008

Well, here’s my eulogy: “Tim Russert – slightly less creepy than Dr Phil. R.I.P.”

59. Heather-Rose Ryan - 13 June 2008

57 – I admired NC greatly but I never got on the Andrew/Jamie bandwagon.

There were very talented women painters in the Wyeth family but few have ever heard about them.

60. Intermittent Bystander - 13 June 2008

58 – Have to disagree. Dr. Phil may be a snake-oil mindfucker, but Russert was an out-and-out war ghoul.

61. lucid - 13 June 2008

Ugh… I went to Dkos just for the hell of it, and what is atop the rec list but a diary touting the failed cholesterol hypothesis for this saint of media’s young demise… followed by a whole lot of media brainwashed commenters going on about how they all really need to lower their cholesterol, despite the fact that all long term studies show no correlation between serum cholesterol and heart disease… and the fact that all of those same studies show low saturated fat intake and cholesterol correlate with a higher all cause death rate [namely cancer]… Why did I even try?

62. lucid - 13 June 2008

Then there’s this piece of tripe. My favorite quotes:

Try to picture Tim Russert interviewing Britney Spears.

Or, imagine him devoting a segment of Meet the Press to who fathered Anna Nicole’s baby.

You can’t, can you?

That’s why Tim Russert’s death leaves a massive void in American journalism—in an era when the country seems to be suffering from a massive case of ADD, or, more charitably, at least is easily distractable—Russert was never distracted.


Who else in the media could be so consistently trusted to tackle only really, truly important issues?

I threw up a little in my mouth at that last quote…

63. moiv - 13 June 2008


Enjoying the pumpkins, thanks IB.

LOL the third one down in the wheeled basket wtih some serous “reach out” is too special for words…..

Here’s a better look at Mischief Night

64. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2008

57. (BTW – sympathies re packing. Excellent bumper sticker results!)

Thanks. 🙂

It’s not like I have a houseful of stuff after so many moves over the years into smaller and smaller spaces, but my book collection is out of control. Lots on investment there though – picked up many first editions, autographed, rare, old and quirky books along the way with the idea of selling them eventually. There’s no way I’m moving them all again so selling them is my summer project.

I also have enough wool to clothe Liechtenstein but crocheting is more of a fall/winter hobby.

65. marisacat - 13 June 2008

who are these people.

The Clown Act in the circus, that is hwat the Sunday media is. And they weep and tear their cloithing and plot their own cholesterol charts.

Nothing left to say………….

66. Intermittent Bystander - 13 June 2008

59 – Ha! Thanks for the link. Count me among the previously unfamiliar.

I do like some of Jamie’s work, though. It’s sufficiently twisted. Check out this one from 1965: Draft Age.

67. Intermittent Bystander - 13 June 2008

62 – a massive void in American journalism

I thought that was what his career was devoted to creating.

68. Heather-Rose Ryan - 13 June 2008

66 – some of the paintings of both Jamie and Andrew are OK but they all have the flat, spiritless look of paintings done from photographs. They may not have actually painted from photographs – maybe their eyes just work that way.

It’s like a visual form of Asperger’s syndrome.

69. Heather-Rose Ryan - 13 June 2008

Forgot to add – in terms of film, Spielberg has the same problem – technically fine, but when it comes to emotion and humanity, zilch. Lights on, nobody home.

70. Intermittent Bystander - 13 June 2008

moiv – Very welcome. Thank you for all the recent updates on Freddy Haynes, the taped-up silent generation, and the McCain astroturf point system, among other matters!

71. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2008

66. It’s sufficiently twisted.

That one’s really interesting.

72. marisacat - 13 June 2008

The Wyeths remind me, or their paintings make me think, of draughtsman work. To a high level, but eliciting a mixed reaction for painting. Something Durer can do as well… tho his paintings I like.

Nothing especially wrong with it tho Wyeth paintings of people definitely don’t draw me in……

And Jamie seems he could drift over to evoking horror, almost a Gothic feel to some of it. Comic horror as well… Some of thsoe pumpkins are ready to bleed… or draw blood. LOL

73. liberalcatnip - 13 June 2008

The Clown Act in the circus, that is hwat the Sunday media is.

This Sunday’s going to be intolerable as they try to cover his death from absolutely every angle. Glad I’ve got something else to do.

74. Heather-Rose Ryan - 13 June 2008

72 – Durer is one of my faves. I agree about the draughtsmanlike work, but unlike the Wyeths, his portraits do have life to them, for example, this one. He communicates the sense of an actual human being.

In contrast, the (younger) Wyeths seem to be painting mannequins.

75. Intermittent Bystander - 13 June 2008

It’s like a visual form of Asperger’s syndrome.

Definitely agree regarding Andrew.

Shout out to NYCee, a couple of threads back. It was the blue and green skin tone inclusions at the Lucas Learning site that made me post it.

BTW – Really liked what you said about the Boxing of Obama a couple threads before that. Topiary hedging. Snip, snip.

And shout-out to ms. x – Mistress of the elegant, angular smileys – much appreciation for the recent links to (gasp) female blogospheric discontent. Plus, your recent remarks to the Hair-Trigger Flinger of La Brea have caused me stitches.

(PS – Please tell me somebody laughed at the papal tampons.)

76. CSTAR - 13 June 2008


Some people are candidates of our two major parties, others rob banks. It takes a certain disposition. Not being suited to at least one of these callings, it just seems too mysterious to me why anybody wouldn’t just let the dead be. The deceased are just that: deceased. They’re not going to endorse anybody.

What a laughable practice to try to ingratiate oneself with a corpse.

77. Intermittent Bystander - 13 June 2008

Love Dürer.

And yeah, I think it’s the admittedly restrained (yet, explosively under pressure) Gothic angle to Jamie’s work that makes (much, not all of) it come alive for me. The brushwork in the animal studies especially, loosens up.

78. moiv - 13 June 2008


Oh, yeah, you better believe I saved those Ratzy Tampax. No way that visual ain’t gonna come in handy sooner or later. Besides, they make such a great companion piece for Mcat’s portrait of him with a green condom drooping off the end of his nose like a wizened cucumber.


79. marisacat - 13 June 2008

jesus how did I miss he Ratzy tampax. Glad I caught up…

I am really sorry that when I landed on Ratzy with the condom off his nose I did nto note where I found it… same with the devilish colored cartoon of him with the seductive Lamb of God on his shoulders.

I will say htat when I want pic/imagery of the pope I do best using papa as part of search terms…

You cannot beat the Italians for getting the whole picture. LOL Not just cartoons but wonderfully editorialisd photos of (well nto ratzy yet, not enough time) of JP!! and the cardinali

Here si a laugh… someone kindly sent me commetns from Sthief at PffterPoofter saying i went Too Far in my commentary agaisnt the Pope and The Church.

That pruple and pink closet he is in must have a big ol’ crucifix as the key to the lock.

80. wu ming - 13 June 2008

it’s days like this i am glad i don’t have a teevee.

it is unsurprising that the talking head/politico congealing fuckball would get this way about russert, but my mind is blown to see netrootsia parroting them. my god, will they unironically rehabilitate tweety next?

i suppose i could fathom saying a polite RIP in passing, but i cannot grasp the words “serious journalism” and “tim russert” in the same paragraph, much less sentence.

81. lucid - 13 June 2008

hmm… interesting… yet more intrusion of my heretical views into the ‘progressive’ talk radio sphere. Jeff Farias recently had Christine Maggiore & Henry Bauer on his radio show. The interview appears at about an hour 28 in and lasts 30 minutes.

For those that don’t know, Christine is the founder of Alive and well, an AIDS dissident support and advocacy group that was highlighted by Celia Farber in Spin circa 1997, and to be honest, one of the people seriously got me into the issue. I had several e-mail exchanges with her around the Durban AIDS conference in 2000, as someone who was then a true believer, and the scientific literature she took the time to send for my review vastly changed my opinion. Christine has been HIV positive for almost 17 years. And while she started out as an AIDS ‘educator’, when she had several more tests that turned up negative, indeterminate and positive, she began to question what she was told. She’s since had two children with midwives. After the death of her daugher 3 years ago from a toxic reaction to amoxicillan she was pilloried in the press despite the fact that both her husband and other child test negative. LA county still won’t release any test indicating her daughter was HIV positive, the coroner in question is under investigation for criminal fraud, and LA county dismissed all of the trumped up child negligence charges against her. She has been a warrior for HIV positive pregnant women who don’t want either themselves or their children to be put through a system that rigorously denies their rights & calls child protective services if their children are too healthy.

Henry Bauer is a professor emritus of Chemistry from Virginia Tech and in retirement runs a little wordpress blog. He recently wrote a lovely book that destroys the HIV hypothesis from every angle.

Sorry… OT, but if I start going on cholesterol, you know where it’s going to end up.

82. lucid - 13 June 2008

btw – it’s the radio show from June 12.

83. Heather-Rose Ryan - 13 June 2008

Oh no, mustn’t criticize Ill Papa.

It constantly surprises me that we are supposed to be afraid of backward fundamentalist Muslims, but we must say nothing critical about a society ruled by misogynist men who glide around in long skirts and have pledged to never marry or have sex (with women, anyway). That’s perfectly OK.

84. lucid - 13 June 2008

HRH – don’t you know that sex is evil? Particularly with women? I mean, they’re bloody and ‘natural’ and all… and I’ve heard rumors that if they stand up for their rights, they’re hairy too!

85. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 June 2008

He must have been schtuping somebody in DC, pretty publicly.


Anyway, Aimee was good, but not fantastic. It was a pretty short set, and it felt a little phoned in. Some good parts, though, and a wonderful cover of Elton John’s “My Father’s Gun” from “Tumbleweed Connection”.

86. marisacat - 13 June 2008

Another promoted mystery, that all muslims, all people within a nominally muslim country are observant.

The hard core are all in competition wiht each other. One reason we have so damned much trouble in the world.

Probably the most tedious thing about Russert, at least since his big genuflction to Big Russ… is how he only valued men. Whoever was married to Big Russ was a broom. Basically. Or a pot on the stove. So my guess he only valued Maureen for her income. A mere vessal.

I heard again today, one of his sound clips letting it sound like HIS plane, that he piloted, went down in WW2. Uh no. He ws on a transport to R+R, it crashed.

87. Madman in the Marketplace - 13 June 2008

Oh, and the Pabst is wonderful. Beautiful old intimate little opera house. Great acoustics, wonderful sightlines.

88. moiv - 13 June 2008

Uh-oh … the Tennessee Dems might be the first to lose their lunch money.

The Barack Obama campaign may have to update its new Web site set up to combat vicious rumors thanks to a fellow Democrat.

Tennessee Democratic Party Executive Committee member Fred Hobbs tells The City newspaper in Nashville, “I don’t exactly approve of a lot of the things he stands for — and I’m not sure we know enough about him. He’s got some bad connections, and he may be terrorist connected for all I can tell. It sounds kind of like he may be.”

Hobbs was giving an interview to the paper about fellow Tennessee Congressman and Democratic superdelegate Lincoln Davis, who has not yet declared his support for Obama.

Reacting to Hobbs, Davis’ Chief of Staff Beecher Frasier says he does not know for sure if Obama is terrorist connected, but he assumes he is not.

Not that it would ruin my week if Lincoln Davis (DFLA-TN) had to skip a couple of schoolburgers . . .

89. lucid - 13 June 2008

I’d rather eat M&M’s and play Twister while talking about politics, then go out to the bar and get wasted. I love the finer things in life. Like a good bottle of Bordeaux, Jacque Torres chocolate, …

From a dating site, I remotely check into… Since when are M&M’s and Twister the finer things in life… I’d rewrite that as ‘I like a good bottle of Bordeaux at a bar while I’m getting wasted and talking politics, good chocolates optional’.

90. lucid - 13 June 2008

Just for fairness, mine reads thus:

I am what I am: I’m direct, humble, an arrogant bastard, off key. Yet my siren vibration is an ethereal harmony that has never been heard before.

If you want to find someone who shares the values and goals of most everyone else you meet, you don’t want to meet me. I’m not even sure if there is a political scale upon which I fall, though if there is, it encompasses a strange conglomeration of anarchist, socialist, urbanist and organic farmer.

What I really value is people – what they do and what they make… and the art that echoes from their most private, vulnerable conversations.

Then again, I can be a damn fun drunk… 😉

Prolly why no one ever contacts me…

91. marisacat - 13 June 2008

M&Ms remind me of being a child. And I fully admit that in a certain mood when I went thru the chekc out in markets, past candy and tabloids and batteries and magazines… I might grab a small bag, for that reason.

But nothing to claim it’s the good life.

92. marisacat - 13 June 2008

Christine Craft on KGO radio is just tearing into Russert… wham. bam. Tearing at him for his interviw of Bush and of Cheney…

and the calls and emails (she is reading them and laughing) are just going out of their minds. LOL

93. moiv - 13 June 2008

davefromqueens: McCain’s Town Hall Was A Farce, I Was There.

McCain’s so called town halls are actually rallies hosted by the local Republican Party. The host, Chris Myers, identified himself as a local leader and claimed that New Jersey is going to go red because of the 2000 people in the gym. (About 1% of us were Obama supporters, someone held a sign up at the end, no one interrupted McCain’s speech.) However if McCain can’t fill a small gym in his only trip to New Jersey this month, his candidacy is in trouble.

The seating was staged. There were about 20 people with Veteran’s hats and all were seated directly in line with McCain’s podium in the front and back. Your cameras from home would make it appear that half the people there were veterans. In reality it was about 1%. Mixed into the Veterans was one angry woman who had a sign claiming she was a Hillary supporter voting McCain. This one sign was placed directly in the spot where the cameras were most likely to pick it up. She was planted there. It also appears that there was one singular woman who pulled the same stunt Thursday night at the so called Fox News McCain town hall meeting in New York. These people aren’t real Clinton supporters, this too is staged.

94. marisacat - 13 June 2008

She read some quotes from Koppel that he made on Larry King tonight, gently taking issue with the slobberation today for Russert and Russerteriana style of “tough interview”…


95. moiv - 13 June 2008

Naomi Klein is up at The Nation: Obama’s Chicago Boys

96. marisacat - 13 June 2008


and ti would be little and staged if ObamRama met up with McCain. But he is DUCKING it as he is chicken. And burned from ABC, the April 22 (think that was the date) “debate”.

Chickens should come out and play..

Play now or get played later. Later will be more entertaining and more lethal. So … I can wait.

97. marisacat - 13 June 2008


LOL I posted that CNBC quote she opens with here, when he gave that interview.

Luv it.

98. moiv - 13 June 2008

Lovely pics from VietNamNet: Early lotus

99. lucid - 13 June 2008

Mcat – I was obsessed with candy when a child. My parents own a summer home adjacent to a Missouri Synod Lutheran summer camp. I spent all my youthful summers there. Great beach, beautiful nature – the north woods in the northern part of the LP in Michigan, right on Lake Michigan.

In that poem a while back that I posted some line about swinging for the end of the pier… I think I might have only posted it here [if you remember and could remind me of when it was, I think it might have been a keeper]… But from that swingset, looking out over the wreck of a boat from a century before, watching beautiful sunsets, and feeling all ‘atoned’, at the end of the summer, I would go over the registry in my head of the candy I would stock up on before I left. Beacuse that was a time that candy was allowed. I had maybe $10 that my parents would let me spend on candy at the end of the summer… a couple packs of skittles, some chocolate bars, miscellaneous gum and hard candy – the obligatory $1 worth of Tootsie Rolls… I would calculate and register my list, while pumping my legs toward the sunset.

And that is all I thought about in that beautiful, lonely space – that place for illumination, revelation and epiphany… the candy I needed to buy.

100. marisacat - 14 June 2008

Charlie Rose came on… LOL wiht Al Hunt who is usually pre orgasmic for obamaRama but tonight is performing neck-rophila [Terry Southern used that.. LOL] on Russert.

Whata bunch.

101. marisacat - 14 June 2008


if I can find it with an easy search of your comments tomorrow will email it to you………………………….

102. Heather-Rose Ryan - 14 June 2008

Oh yeah, kid stuff. Twister wasn’t my bag, but I fondly remember eating a huge bag of M&Ms while watching Planet of the Apes on TV – the ABC Movie of the Week or some such. Great movie, even with commercial interruptions (which were much less frequent and intrusive than they are now, you young whippersnappers).

There are dark chocolate M&Ms now, in a purple bag, that are quite good.

lucid – I’ve met you, and I think your descriptor fits you well.

OK here’s a fun parlor game – make up your own internet dating blurb! Here’s mine:

Nothing suits me more than talking about movies, art and music while devouring several dozen raw oysters washed down with a brisk Sancerre. If the oysters are tasty enough, sex is unnecessary. But thanks for the thought.

Come on, everyone, kick in your version.

103. Heather-Rose Ryan - 14 June 2008

99 – I’m old enough to remember penny candy. At the place we went in the summertime, I would ride my banana-seat bike down to the general store and come back with a small brown paper bag full of goodies – jawbreakers, Mary Janes, rock crystal sugar on a string – a Sugar Daddy if I wanted to splurge. Then I’d take the haul back to our little shack to swing in the hammock and eat while listening to ABBA on my transistor radio.

My son asked the other day, “Mom, did you have iPods when you were a kid?”

104. lucid - 14 June 2008

My son asked the other day, “Mom, did you have iPods when you were a kid?”

No son, we had vinyl, and it sounded way better… 🙂

If I ever have a kid, I’ll do my best to get them to appreciate audio fidelity… Prolly by following in the footsteps of my folks and encouraging them to play instruments from the earliest of ages.

105. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2008

The seating was staged.

93. Say it ain’t so! And while you’re at it, get more white people for Michelle.

102. I saw all of the Planet of the Apes movies when they came out in the local theatre. I posted a pic from Beneath the Planet of the Apes to go along with a post a couple of years ago. I wrote a note about it at the bottom.

Haven’t seen the remakes.

No desire whatsoever to post an internet dating blurb. I’m more content being single.

106. lucid - 14 June 2008

LC – my blurb is the anti-date… which is why I am single.

I just find it humorous reading ‘what’s out there’ when I occasionally log into the site on which I set up a profile a couple years ago [especially when I’m matched with 5 stars so inappropriately]… And I wanted to make sure that everyone knew I was also an object for ridicule… because my blurb is preposterous also.

107. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2008

104. Prolly by following in the footsteps of my folks and encouraging them to play instruments from the earliest of ages.

I wanted to learn drums but my mother made me play the violin. At least the road trips with the youth orchestra were fun. I also tried the oboe and took guitar and piano lessons. Oh – and we learned how to play the ukelele in school. Bunch of Tiny Tims that we were.

108. liberalcatnip - 14 June 2008

106. Well, it’s obviously preposterous that you don’t have good taste in chocolate. 😉

109. lucid - 14 June 2008

HRH – you’re right, it is indeed what I am… I refuse to lie in such ventures… or most any venture for that matter. If one doesn’t want that, I ain’t gonna pretend to be something else, ‘cos I’m OK on my own, as lonely and boring as that can be.

110. lucid - 14 June 2008

LC I’d rather eat Verkade dark from the early ’80’s. No filling, no Roco Baroque, just damn good dark chocolate. I would buy a bar for 50 cents in Belgium in 1980.

Please don’t insult my tastes… 😉

111. lucid - 14 June 2008

That should be Rococo Baroque.

112. marisacat - 14 June 2008

the higher the cacao the better… 70 80 percent…

113. lucid - 14 June 2008

damn good anti-oxidant at those levels… high cocao chocolate is on par with berries for its health benefits.

114. marisacat - 14 June 2008

new thread………………….. Does the pope pull a train… LOL


115. NYCO - 14 June 2008

My eulogy for Russert: Wow, a guy we saw on TV every day died. Just dropped dead. How brief is life, how unexpected our ends! His family must be really sad, especially with Father’s Day coming up. Oh well.

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