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So, shall we all get a tattoo? E pluribus Obama? 20 June 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

From The Caucus:

At a discussion with a dozen Democratic governors in Chicago on Friday morning, each of the governors was identified with a small name plate but Senator Barack Obama sat behind a low rostrum to which was attached an official-looking seal no one had seen before.

It is emblazoned with a fierce-looking eagle clutching an olive branch in one claw and arrows in the other and is deliberately reminiscent of the official seal of the president of the United States. Around the top border are the words “Obama for America;” across the bottom is the campaign’s Web address. It also contains the logo of the Obama campaign, variously interpreted as a sunrise or a view down an open road.

Just above the eagle’s head are the words “Vero Possumus,” roughly translated “Yes we can.” Not exactly E Pluribus Unum (Out of Many, One), the motto on the presidential seal and the dollar bill. Then again, Mr. Obama is not the president.

I so hope he will be tho. People should live with their chosen Jesus, as I keep saying.

BTW, I can barely look at the Elevated One anymore, but displayed above (and not caught often in a still shot) is the upper half of what might charitably be called a “professorial” seated position. I first caught it during the Kennedy, Ted and Caroline edition, endorse. The lower half mimics the upper half, the legs go into a double twist. Sometimes the arm that crosses the body is under the opposing elbow, that arm then rising to the two fingered face application. “Professorial” is the descriptive ”out” used by his handlers and the dedicated pundit class for his interpersonal failures (waves of disdain washing from his face and body language as people, poor, hapless voters coming in supplication, recount the horrors of modern USA! USA! life if you are not healthy, wealthy and Mr and Mrs Obama – or any of the others who ran for the noms).

It may sound petty (racist, mean, whatever) to note a seated posture (and tangled engagement of the limbs) but not when you add it to everything else.

Too right, count me out. Sorry to be blunt. Hail Jesus, a rolling, massive, about-to-burst-all-over-us-like -a-festering-pimple JOKE.

I had noticed, earlier this week, a Stop Me Before I Vote Again reverie on the Obama as Jove eagle (the website representation was softened for the ObamaLand imprimatur)….

[H]ere, however, the bland circlet appears oddly superimposed on a bad-tempered, reptilian eagle, clearly spoiling for a fight. As iconology goes, there’s nothing anodyne about the Jovian bird, the Roman legionary bird, the bird so abundant in the visual rhetoric of American pugnacity that every street in this broad land ought to be knee-deep in mephitic raptor guano(*) ::snip::

and when I went to collect the link, what rode at the top of the SMBIVA page, but exposition of the latest tag team member to enlist Eric Prince for Darfur dreaming. And killing. How utterly disgusting.

Mia Farrow, the actress and activist, has asked Blackwater, the US private security company active in Iraq, for help in Darfur….

Ms Farrow said she had approached Erik Prince, founder and owner of Blackwater, to discuss whether a military role was either feasible or desirable.

She acknowledged that many people might have reservations about Blackwater being involved in Darfur – the company’s men were involved in the fatal shooting of 17 Iraqi civilians last September – but said the threat of violence to refugees meant all options had to be explored….

A bumper crop of useful idiots. If only we could have a real drought, flood of poisonous water, killing fire – in those fields.

Out of words. Wear a rubber bracelet, show you care.


Speaking of FISA, congress, collusion and presumptive noms … (You Tube version)

OLBERMANN: “Never appease political bullies,” President Bush admonished at the Israeli Knesset. Oddly, House Democrats chose to ignore him on the subject of dealing with him.

A new FISA bill that gives President Bush exactly what he wants, increase abilities to spy on Americans without warrants and the level of immunity for the telecom companies who already illegally spied on Americans for him.

Our fourth story on the COUNTDOWN: And the Democrats may split over the tentative deal. The bipartisan bill will allow the government to use broad wiretaps to wiretap foreigners and the chance to spy on Americans without any warrant, if they think it‘s an emergency, for up to seven days. It also gives the phone companies immunity for past crimes, if a district judge decided they get or got a valid wiretap request from the White House.

This is expected to go to the floor tomorrow and to the Senate next week. Well, House Majority Leader Stanley Hoyer supports what he refers to as a compromise bill, emphasis on the “compromise.” Senator Majority Leader Harry Reid actually praised parts of it.

Senator Russ Feingold ripped the thing, and implicitly, his fellow Democrats who agreed to it apart, quoting him, “The proposed FISA deal is not a compromise; it is capitulation. The House and Senate should not be taking up this bill, which effectively guarantees immunity for telecom companies alleged to have participated in the president‘s illegal program, and which fails to protect the privacy of law-abiding Americans at home. Allowing courts to review the question of immunity is meaningless when the same legislation essentially requires the court to grant immunity.”

Let‘s turn now once again to George Washington University, law professor and constitutional expert, Jonathan Turley.

Thanks for your time tonight, Jon.


OLBERMANN: Have the Democrats blinked or Mr. Feingold and Mr. Leahy are going to kill this in the Senate?

TURLEY: Well, this is more like a one-man staring contest. I mean, the Democrats never really were engaged in this. In fact, they repeatedly tried to cave in to the White House, only be stopped by civil libertarians and bloggers. And each time they would put it on the shelf, wait a few months, they did this before, reintroduced it with Jay Rockefeller‘s support, and then there was another great, you know, dustup and they pulled it back.

I think they‘re simply waiting to see if the public‘s interest will wane and we‘ll see that tomorrow, because this bill has, quite literally, no public value for citizens or civil liberties. It is reverse engineering, though the type of thing that the Bush administration is famous for, and now the Democrats are doing—that is to change the law to conform to past conduct.

It‘s what any criminal would love to do. You rob a bank, go to the legislature, and change the law to say that robbing banks is lawful.

OLBERMANN: But, of course, it‘s not just that. I mean, extensively, it is about granting immunity to the telecoms for what they‘ve already done that would be illegal. But is it also not about giving them a pass on what they yet do that may yet be illegal?

TURLEY: Yes. This is a very frightening bill. What people have to understand is that FISA itself is controversial. This court issued tens of thousands of warrants granted applications for surveillance without turning down any. Only recently did they turn down two.

So, the standard is already so low that they have virtually never refused a request. That standard, however, was too high for the Bush administration.

And, so, people need to be very, very much aware of this bill. What you‘re seeing in this bill is an evisceration of the Fourth Amendment of the Constitution. It is something that allows the president and the government to go in to law-abiding homes on their word alone, their suspicion alone, and to engage in warrantless surveillance. That‘s what the framers that drafted the Fourth Amendment wanted to prevent.

OLBERMANN: And, also hidden in here behind this headline – if you immunize the telecoms, are you not also immunizing the president, the Bush administration and, to some degree, the Congress that went along with all of these crimes in the last seven years?

TURLEY: Well, there‘s no question in my mind that there is an obvious level of collusion here. We now know that Democratic leadership knew about the illegal surveillance program almost from its inception. Even when they were campaigning about fighting for civil liberties, they were aware of an unlawful surveillance program as well as a torture program. And ever since that came out, the Democrats have been silently trying to kill any effort to hold anyone accountable because that list could very well include some of their own members.

And, I‘m afraid this is Washington politics at the worst. And, so, I think that what you‘re seeing with this bill is not just caving in to a very powerful lobby, but also caving in to sort of the worst motivations on Capitol Hill since 9/11. You know, the administration was very adept at bringing in Democrats at a time when they knew they couldn‘t refuse, to make them buy in to this program, and now that investment is bearing fruit.

OLBERMANN: So, it‘s self-protection is the answer to the question of why Congress didn‘t let FISA, this bill, at least, go sunset and do this in the next administration. The answer is really self-protection?

TURLEY: I‘m afraid it is. And I also don‘t understand why they didn‘t let that happen, because what you would be left with was, would be judges who would have to look at whether there was a basis for engaging a surveillance. What‘s so horrible about that? The old FISA law, by the way, had a provision that said that if there was an emergency, you didn‘t have to get an immediate FISA approval, something that the president continually omits from his comments, making it sound like you would have to stand there knocking on doors before you could chase al Qaeda. That was never the case.

OLBERMANN: So, this is not FISA, this CYA.

Jonathan Turley of George Washington University—as always, Jon, our great thanks.

TURLEY: Thank you, Keith.

Be sure and vote. It’s your civic duty.


UPDATE, 5:02 pm

Just up at The Page:

The presumptive Democratic nominee discusses what his thinks the GOP’s general election strategy will be. He says at a Jacksonville, Florida fundraiser:

“We know what kind of campaign they’re going to run. They’re going to try to make you afraid. They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?”

Read pool report here.

Don’t miss “… and did i mention he’s black?”

Be sure and vote. Racists – using race – ON BOTH SIDES..

From a Belafonte essay:

[H]e seemed quite agitated and preoccupied, and I asked him what the problem was. “I’ve come upon something that disturbs me deeply,” he said. “We have fought hard and long for integration, as I believe we should have, and I know that we will win. But I’ve come to believe we’re integrating into a burning house.”

That statement took me aback. It was the last thing I would have expected to hear, considering the nature of our struggle, and I asked him what he meant. “I’m afraid that America may be losing what moral vision she may have had,” he answered. “And I’m afraid that even as we integrate, we are walking into a place that does not understand that this nation needs to be deeply concerned with the plight of the poor and disenfranchised. Until we commit ourselves to ensuring that the underclass is given justice and opportunity, we will continue to perpetuate the anger and violence that tears at the soul of this nation.”

I would like to see black America honestly examine where we are at this point in history. We must stop relying on Democrats or Republicans or institutions that oppress us, and take responsibility for ourselves. Whenever we’ve stepped out to assume responsibility for our future, we’ve succeeded in our mission. White America didn’t give us the gains we’ve made. Through various movements we went out and fought for our liberation and made ourselves a better people, and the world a better place. I am far from disillusioned. Deep in my soul, I know there are more Rosa Parks, more Dr. Kings, and more Ella Bakers ready to emerge. Perhaps we are the firefighters who can save the burning house. Martin would have embraced such a thought.




1. marisacat - 20 June 2008

hmm ABC news: filling up the tank of the “best selling vehicle in America for the last 25 years”, the F150 Ford truck, is now 110.00.

So sales are crashing. As is Ford. What a joke.

2. marisacat - 20 June 2008

oh I am sure it is a mistake. Not lagging love. Or, do you think it is? No Summer Doldrums, I call it. He’ll bounce back..

Obama Has Worst Fundraising Month of 2008

June 20, 2008 8:57 PM

Yes, it’s still $21.9 million, but for Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., May was the worst fundraising month of 2008.

It was so bad, in fact, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. — who had his best month with $21.5 million — almost tied him.

Of Obama’s total haul, $21,211,417 was designated for the primary. Obama has $43,147,333 cash on hand, $33,263,856 of which can be spent in the primary season.

– jpt

3. marisacat - 20 June 2008

In the Bay Area, Pelosi, Tauscher and Jerry McNerney all voted for it (Telcom immunity today). According to local ABC news, all other BA reps voted NO.

Not that it matters, for what it is worth. NTIM, FWIW.

4. Arcturus - 20 June 2008

McNerney: power to the nutroots!

5. liberalcatnip - 20 June 2008


Still alive here, barely.

Yes – the one punditry moment that caught my eye and ears this week (and I haven’t stayed on top of things with the move, being sick & totally fucking bored with this election race) was what Turley said last nite about the Dems and FISA. I’ll probably post the clip at my place. I see there is underwhelment with Obama’s reaction over at Teh Daily Overlord. Not to worry bebes, Daddy will fix it all when he runs the country – or not – who cares? Send money now!.

All together now, sheeple:

I will NOT take him to task (22+ / 0-)

if it hurts his chances of winning.

I know what he stood for at the beginning of this race and before.

If he politicks right now, so be it.

I will not lose this election to John McCain because Obama decides to appeal to the middle.

As long as he doesn’t remain there once he gains the White House.

We know who he is, yes?

…on a good day I bowl a 19

by mahakali overdrive on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 02:52:02 PM PDT

He’s been telling you for over a year now that you don’t know who he is and even when he shows it, you deny it.

You get what you fucking pay for, Democrats.

6. aemd - 20 June 2008

Perrin on the FISA vote. Very good read.

“Any conscious person over the age of 25 who is surprised by major Dem support for the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 is either deluded, desperate, or so whacked out on yagé that the mere formation of cogent thought is a minor miracle. Then again, I like the idea of countless liberals taking yagé trips. If nothing else, it keeps them occupied with inner-space, and who knows, they might make some conceptual/political breakthroughs before returning to this plasma plane. A long shot admittedly, especially when they see the savage mule’s tail rise up and they slide beneath the beast to get crapped on. But one must remain optimistic, even as the shit piles rise. What ya gonna do, vote Green?”

Glad to see the SMBIVA gang back on a roll. They have been writing great posts.

7. bayprairie - 20 June 2008

Sources at the meeting said that Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas, a Clinton supporter, expressed the desire that Obama and his campaign would reach out the millions of women still aggrieved about what happened in the campaign and still disappointed that Clinton lost.

Obama agreed that a lot of work needs to be done to heal the Democratic Party, and that he hoped the Clinton supporters in the room would help as much as possible.

According to Rep. Yvette Clarke, D-N.Y., Obama then said, “However, I need to make a decision in the next few months as to how I manage that since I’m running against John McCain, which takes a lot of time. If women take a moment to realize that on every issue important to women, John McCain is not in their corner, that would help them get over it.”…

8. marisacat - 20 June 2008

We are blessed. And we know it.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 June 2008

In honor of the discussion the other night:

Boogie Nights Star Wars light saber mashup

10. marisacat - 20 June 2008


that made me laugh. I know what will enwaken Master Barry. Another low fundraising month with big Clinton supporters across the nation continuing to hold back.

Sweet talk will flow and Soetoro-Ng will be used outside of Hawai’i and San Francisco and San Mateo. I swear to god, I am beginning to think it is down to he thinks she is racially appropriate in those places.

Odd Guy. Good Luck.

11. Gayle - 20 June 2008

Gee whiz,

And here I was thinking McCain was in my corner! I’m such a silly, girlie voter type, I simply guessed he was all for me!

Honestly, I’m glad Obama’s not “reaching out” to me now. I’m not that into an abusive boyfriend who comes back with flowers in his hand months after I broke up with him.

Good riddance is all I can say.

12. marisacat - 20 June 2008

oh that made me laugh.

Flowers in his hand and saying

Why did you not call me?

13. Madman in the Marketplace - 20 June 2008

Thanks for the Belafonte, though I think the house has already burned down and taken the surrounding countryside with it.

14. Gayle - 20 June 2008



After all, it’s all my fault.

15. marisacat - 20 June 2008


agree.. i don’t buy the belafonte wrds.. i was hunting for martin’s ”burning house” comments……………

16. marisacat - 20 June 2008

LOL Keep laughing…

Harwood (NYT) and Babington (AP) are on Washington Week with Ifill and they say the lines used by the Obama camp on the road is,

Do you wnat to adhere ot an old broken rule (public financing) or do you want to raise enough money to win and END THE IRAQ WAR?

All you can do is laugh. Yeah, he is so going to End The War,

17. Gayle - 20 June 2008

I heard one of his surrogates say today that public financing is broken and by rejecting it, Obama is ushering in real reform.

I did not know this one bold move would stop the war.

I’m sooo for it now! Go Obama!

18. antihegemonic - 20 June 2008

Barack Obama will vote for the FISA compromise, which in my opinion is another sign of his hegemonic impulses. I guess this explains the new iconography of his campaign.

19. lucid - 20 June 2008

In cultural news… I got sucked into ‘The Wall’ on VH1 when I should have gone out to see a band I love.. [money troubles, laziness & playing my guitar sabotaged my attempts to get out – though I’ll prolly go shoot a game of pool in the hood shortly].

I found it excessively interesting that they didn’t cut any of the physical violence in the movie, however they cut the naked breasts & the second staza of ‘In the Flesh’:

Are there any queers in the theater tonight?
Get them up against the wall!
There’s one in the spotlight, he don’t look right to me,
Get him up against the wall!
That one looks Jewish!
And that one’s a coon!
Who let all of this riff-raff into the room?
There’s one smoking a joint,
And another with spots!
If I had my way,
I’d have all of you shot!

So what I gather from this event is that the female body is evil & multi-leveled criticisms of capitalism/the music business/right wing British politics as being facist should never be discussed… however it’s quite ok to throw a black guy out of the backseat of his car while he’s making out with his white girlfriend, beat his head to a pulp and rape her…

Am I correct? Is this Viacom’s vision of the world?

20. marisacat - 20 June 2008

well, have to figure that what they cut/censored is what mattered to them. In some way.

I still say, leave everything IN.

21. marisacat - 20 June 2008

hmmm LAT has a piece on Sharia law in the UK.

[G]overnment officials have raised no objections to the councils, which first emerged in 1982 in Birmingham, because they operate in cooperation with British civil law, and British courts still issue all necessary legal decrees. Those who advocate granting some official status to the councils’ deliberations, as the archbishop of Canterbury seemed to suggest, point out that Jews in Britain operate religious courts whose rulings, when all parties voluntarily participate, are recognized under civil law as a form of binding arbitration.

“Almost everything, Muslims living in Britain, or other societies that traditionally have not been Muslim societies, can arrange for themselves. They can arrange to have food slaughtered in halal fashion. They can set up Islamic financial instruments. They can build mosques. The one key area where there’s a vacuum regards the access of women to divorce,” said John R. Bowen, professor of anthropology at Missouri’s Washington University, explaining the need for the Sharia councils. ::snip::

22. liberalcatnip - 20 June 2008

Just above the eagle’s head are the words “Vero Possumus,” roughly translated “Yes we can.”

Or, “You’re just a bunch of clueless possums”.

23. marisacat - 20 June 2008

they are really really really into the cute gimmicks.

24. moiv - 20 June 2008


“If women take a moment to realize that on every issue important to women, John McCain is not in their corner, that would help them get over it.”

Oh, I’m over it, all right, and with no need for help … at all.

25. liberalcatnip - 20 June 2008

23. I’m pretty sure that’s a sign of the anti-christ…or McDonald’s. I can’t remember. I’m heavily medicated at the moment…

26. liberalcatnip - 20 June 2008

Oh I don’t know. Being the little woman type that I am, I just can’t get enough of men telling me to “get over it”.

More, please.

27. marisacat - 20 June 2008

BTW, Moyers is good tonight. On slavery and later the system of peonage that came into place to keep slavery going.

He opens with a long excerpt from the POV program scheduled for next week, on the De Wolfe family of Bristol RI, who were the greatest slavers in the country (aided directly by Jefferson, whom they backed financially in elections), with a hand in all parts of the business. Literally, ALL parts of it.

28. marisacat - 20 June 2008

what an asshole. Several times over.

29. CSTAR - 20 June 2008

Is that ship sinking or what? Rodents’ sense of water.

30. marisacat - 20 June 2008

I almost skipped the last segment of Moyers… he has Orlando Patterson of Harvard and Louery of Brown.

Very powerful (louery, imo, not Patterson who falls into the trap of being a pissant Obama supporter).

Will hunt up the tramscript.

31. moiv - 20 June 2008

Haven’t seen any mention of Olbermann’s screen caption tonight for a report on Obama’s campaign: “OMENTUM”

Quick, somebody tell Oprah.

32. marisacat - 20 June 2008

No transcript yet, but htis is the page for tonight’s episode.

33. marisacat - 20 June 2008

all day long they said it was 90 in SF today… but it felt hotter. yeah it was


34. moiv - 20 June 2008

Well, yeah, 97 — but that’s including the windchill factor, right?

35. marisacat - 20 June 2008

LOL that made me laugh. Actually out heat was kinda humid.

Fires all over.

36. liberalcatnip - 20 June 2008

31. Ewww, but lol. Good catch. 🙂

37. marisacat - 21 June 2008

Christine Craft on KGO talk radio out of SF, http://www.kgoam810.com/ is just whaling on Obama. FISA (earlier she read the Bay Area votes, yes/no) And getting email calling her a slut.


38. moiv - 21 June 2008

Thanks for the KGO link.

Listener Amelia: “The Bill of Rights is only needed by those with criminal intent.”

“Amelia … I’d be willing to bet my left breast — if I hadn’t already bet it on something else — that you don’t even know where the Bill of Rights is.”

LOL, Craft could sing duets with Mike Malloy.

39. moiv - 21 June 2008

Boo’s Tsunami Interruptus

When it comes to a new kind of politics, the train has already left the station. We know how to raise money. We know how to compete in any geographical location. We know how to win by running on our beliefs rather than away from them. We’ve built up the most commanding advantage in candidate recruitment, fundraising, and message in political memory. We are ready to steamroll the old guard and usher in a totally new generation of politics. And this is the gift you give us? Retroactive immunity and vastly increased police-state domestic spying powers?

I don’t know what Barack Obama is going to do, or even what he is capable of doing. I sincerely hope that he has the wisdom to surf the wave we’ve helped build for him. But if he doesn’t, or if he can’t, and he cracks up on the shoals, we’ll have Reid, Pelosi, and Hoyer to thank for it. They and the outdated anachronisms that make up the DLC and the Blue Dog Coalition are to blame.

Somebody throw surfer boy a pair of water wings.

40. marisacat - 21 June 2008

RE Cristine Craft

yeah she is a hoot. 10pm – 1 am weeknights… next week too I think…


41. marisacat - 21 June 2008

oops no moiv

RE CCRaft on KGO

she is not on next week (she just mentioned)… karel (who I also like) takes that slot.

If I hear what slot she gets again, will drop you an email…

42. lucid - 21 June 2008

I remeber a time when Martin actually entertained ‘conspiracy theories’ about 9-11. That was, after all, the supposed impetus for his blog – dkos without Dana Houle telling you that only idiots believed that Gore actually won the 2000 election, or that only mentally challenged midgets were the folks questioning what actually happened on 9-11, or that every computer voting system ever made is the greatest thing for democracy.

During the ‘Pie’ wars, I emigrated there for a time, and the ‘welcome wagon’ told me – hey, you’ll fit in here, you refugee. We make nice, nice with the weird uncles… that is unless they’re commies…

Funny story… before I ever registered on any blog [I was a BBS guy], my first act was to offer Theoria housing during the GOP convention in 2004… apparently he’d been fucked over, I didn’t even have Dkos UID, but I e-mailed him a note saying ‘hey, I have a lot of room, a couch and a recording studio. You can sleep where you like. I’m in rehearsal all week, but I can give you the keys. I have cats & you must be OK with cigarettes and pot, that in mind, you’re welcome.’

I also mentioned being a 911 truther at the time… ultimately, I know that is what sacred him away.

43. marisacat - 21 June 2008


Just reading the full Boober.

hmm got the computer in there, up his ass with his head.

Read the right way, it’s loaded with jokes.

I think (14+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
JekyllnHyde, Mogolori, latts, ask, wanderindiana, Urizen, lennysfo, majcmb1, LithiumCola, trashablanca, Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle, gatorbot, MichiganGirl, notcaesar

believe it or not, that we just had a better set of elites back then.

Looked at objectively, the media was basically limited to three news anchors, some big papers, and the wires. The CIA controlled all of them to some degree or another. Today is much better from a media control point of view.

But our elites are no longer guardians of our rights.

That’s what really has changed.

Booman Tribune

by BooMan23 on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 10:39:23 PM PDT

… wants a Daddy, A “better elite” Daddy… then everything will be fine.

44. marisacat - 21 June 2008


wanna laugh?

theoria went out of his way (tho he got a ride up there) to visit overnight with


DemFromCT. Yes bunked with the turgid flea, in Danbury.

45. lucid - 21 June 2008

that we just had a better set of elites back then.

Don’t bother. It’s constitution worship. Yes, they were such better elites because they compromised with the south to write slavery into the constituion. They were such better elites, because despite the fact that they raped their slaves, and had children with them, they always treated them well, and on their death bed, they freed them. They’re such better elites because they recognized that the entire exploitative system of capitalism would fall if they didn’t throw some bones to their new slaves – and create an illusion that their workforce was ‘a new class’, the ‘middle class’. A class that could aspire to aristocracy, but be beaten down nonetheless.

I can’t wait for the day that the ‘middle class’ wakes up and realizes not just that they’re poor, but that they were duped.

46. lucid - 21 June 2008

blockquote error…

47. lucid - 21 June 2008

44 – good lord. Didn’t know that. I’m a fucking 15 minute subway ride from everyting that happened in 2004, gave him the keys to the palace, and he commuted to Danbury?

I had always been put off by his rejection, because I knew he was desperate, and I would have fed the fucker, well. I never knew he escaped to CT to avoid a perfectly open home.

Serves him right.

48. marisacat - 21 June 2008

LOL Poor Boober:

I don’t know (4+ / 0-)

Recommended by:
JekyllnHyde, Mogolori, Urizen, MichiganGirl

I think our elites were in many ways much worse back then. But our media was much better. I think there was a period from the early fifties until the late eighties when the media really kept itself to a high standard.

At the same time, they were hopelessly infiltrated by our intelligence agencies. It’s kind of hard to reconcile. But, whatever the explanation, our elites were not going to stand for Richard Nixon and they’re just fine with Dick Cheney.

Booman Tribune

by BooMan23 on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 10:52:57 PM PDT

49. marisacat - 21 June 2008


iirc he stayed with someone in NYC, but made a side trip to visit DemFromCt, that turgid flea.

Or so I heard from F*st Pete, who was the third partner (in the original onfiguration of theoria, em dash and F*st Pete) in LSF. FP drove him up there.

50. bayprairie - 21 June 2008

when booman posts hilarity like that he always wears one of these.

51. lucid - 21 June 2008

But our media was much better.

Aren’t you the vaunted media now?

So… what does that say about you?

52. bayprairie - 21 June 2008

there’s mr blades right on cue. time to calm the whaters by posting something completely different, movie reviews about native americans in the cinema. they really need a few new tricks.

i bet money that dude has a two monitor setup, one configured exclusively for wikipedia. lottsa facts passes for wisdom in whack country.

53. lucid - 21 June 2008

In my sober life, I’m so prepared for what is coming.

In my drunk life, I still chase the tail of a waistcoat, pretending that indiscretion belies a grand gesture.

In my real life, I’m lonely as hell. It seems that the beauty of waking up with another is now passe.

It’s either fucking or ‘dating’.

What happened to domesticity… comfort, snuggling on the couch, humor at each other’s expense, knowing glances, cradling each other home when we need it.

54. moiv - 21 June 2008


Yeah, he well might have been holding that one in abeyance for when it was needed to oil troubled waters, but I enjoyed reading it all the same.

My brain must have a two-monitor setup, too. Or maybe its circuits were just fried after the Obamarama Betrayal Blogathon that swept the nets today (or is it now yesterday?). That might also explain why I actually recced a comment by DH before I saw that it was his — but since it was the only thing I’ve ever seen him say that was worth reading, I said to hell with it and let it ride.

55. moiv - 21 June 2008


I’m the wrong one to ask, lucid, because I’m as passé as they come. Must be, since I woke up with the same guy every morning for 33 years, and am in full acceptance of waking up by myself from now on.

Then again, I’m almost certainly old enough to be your mom’s sister … or something. 🙂

56. moiv - 21 June 2008


LOL, bay, does Boo know you’ve been in his closet?

When I read this …

believe it or not, that we just had a better set of elites back then.

… all I could think of was Burt Lancaster in “Atlantic City,” telling Susan Sarandon, “The Atlantic Ocean was really something then. Yep, you should have seen the Atlantic Ocean in those days.”

57. NYCee - 21 June 2008

Downtick on the boards for ObamaCo.

S/lavish investors begin to get the jitters.

They invested way too much in the Great One from Day One.

Any wonder he’s flying too high to see them?

58. marisacat - 21 June 2008

shoulda kept the Great Seal under wraps for a bit longer.

59. NYCee - 21 June 2008

From the Olbermann transcript, above:

TURLEY: Well, there‘s no question in my mind that there is an obvious level of collusion here. We now know that Democratic leadership knew about the illegal surveillance program almost from its inception. Even when they were campaigning about fighting for civil liberties, they were aware of an unlawful surveillance program as well as a torture program. And ever since that came out, the Democrats have been silently trying to kill any effort to hold anyone accountable because that list could very well include some of their own members.

That is what I said to the assembled crowd when I attended an event with my Mom’s ragin’ seniors last summer, a protest/push staged in town and then at a mtg place to get their rep, David Price (Chapel Hill, NC) on board for impeachment. (He caved and continues to, of course.)

I said my sense was that impeachment was “off the table” (Thank YOU, Ms Pelosi!) because too many Dems were complicit in the very issues that would be used to impeach BushCo. Way too embarrassing and damaging.


60. marisacat - 21 June 2008

Meet the Press (with Brian Williams): Sens. Biden, Graham (will the studio be hung in black crepe?, LOL — Mcat)

This Week: Sen. Hutchison, Rep. Markey, Red Cavaney of the American Petroleum Institute, Jeffrey Sachs of Columbia University

Face the Nation: Gov. Richardson, Carly Fiorina

Fox News Sunday: Daschle, Tom Ridge

Late Edition: Richardson, Gov. Pawlenty, Reps. Wexler, Cantor, Obama economic adviser Reich, McCain economic adviser Holtz-Eakin.

61. NYCO - 21 June 2008

That Obama Seal just reinforces my impression that his campaign is being run and marketed by immature white guys with no genuine sense of history or irony.

They don’t know what they’re doing. They really don’t. They are play-acting at what they think is history and change, but it’s looking more and more like a mutated retread of the past.

Also, again I note the copycatting from the Dean campaign, which also used vaguely New Deal-ish imagery and fonts at times, but not in the horsechoking manner that the Obama campaign seems to.

62. marisacat - 21 June 2008


the game has stunk for months.

The harder the media worked to sell the “best ground game since Hannibal” (LOL my interpretation) the shakier the whole thing was bound to be.

Track it back… thru Deval thru Chicago SS, back thru Axelrod, thru Chicago politics, back again thru Axelrod who handled the Ferrer campaign in NYC. And Edwards, Two Americas. Etc..

Re dressed hacks.

Sorry to be blunt to anyone in love.

63. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 June 2008

15 – even public “radicals” feel the need to cling to expressions of hope, I guess. You’d think Belafonte would have gotten the idea that only so much was going to be allowed, and no more.

When I was a kid I didn’t understand the Panthers at all, what little I would hear about them. They were so right, sadly.

64. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 June 2008

Am I correct? Is this Viacom’s vision of the world?


Oh, and don’t know if you’re a fan, but this could be the Violent Femmes last hurrah, given the nastiness of the dispute between Gordon Gano and Brian Ritchie:

Violent Femmes cover “Crazy”

65. Madman in the Marketplace - 21 June 2008

I said my sense was that impeachment was “off the table” (Thank YOU, Ms Pelosi!) because too many Dems were complicit in the very issues that would be used to impeach BushCo. Way too embarrassing and damaging.

I think that’s why they punted on Iran Contra, too.

66. Heather-Rose Ryan - 21 June 2008


“However, I need to make a decision in the next few months as to how I manage that since I’m running against John McCain, which takes a lot of time. If women take a moment to realize that on every issue important to women, John McCain is not in their corner, that would help them get over it.”

So basically, he just doesn’t have TIME to address women’s issues. Too many other important things going on.

Fuck that shit.

I do like this, from that Belafonte piece:

White America didn’t give us the gains we’ve made. Through various movements we went out and fought for our liberation and made ourselves a better people, and the world a better place.

That is very true. The same is true for women. If women had sat around placidly waiting for White Male America to address their issues, we’d still be viewed as less-than-human babyfactories, unable to vote or compete with men on any level.

The answer is to stop looking for love and attention from the Big Elite Daddies, and simply DEMAND what we want, and FIGHT for it, whether they like it or not The problem is that too many women are unwilling to fight because they don’t want to jeopardize whatever friendly relations they might have with the Big Daddies. Better to get a couple of crumbs from them once in while than to be confrontational and demand an equal place at the table.

53 – lucid, stop looking and focus on something else for a while (your music, intellectual work, etc.). That should help. The “looking” sets up a vibe of “lack” which drives away precisely what you want. Just my two cents….

67. liberalcatnip - 21 June 2008

Happy summer solstice, especially you druids.

68. bayprairie - 21 June 2008

koswhack 101

I do not take my disappointment in the actions of one of my political heros as the end of all hope in the future.

Yet many here do. Many here are ready to throw Obama to the wolves because of a pragmatic political decision made in the middle of the campaign. Many here not only do not see the forest from the trees, but they refuse to.

I disagree with his decision, but I can see why he has made it.


The forest is winning. The forest is getting the opportunity to affect real change, with a Democratic President and a overwhelmingly Democratic Congress. The trees of the forest are the many issues we care about.

I can see the forest, and I love the forest. And that necessarily means that I love the trees that make up the forest. But it does not mean I will burn down the forest when one tree loses a limb, or a branch. When a tree loses a limb or a branch, its growth into what it is meant to be is stunted for a time, but not forever. When you see the forest, you see that as well.

It is all about the big picture.

69. CSTAR - 21 June 2008

68. Throw Obama to the Wolves? He’s as lupine as any. Pity the wolves.

70. Intermittent Bystander - 21 June 2008

Blogtopiary to Cinders – Help! Bring more boots!

It’s Solstice Splatterday, and even Hunter the Great has lost the truffle.

And the sickest swines at pff are in full-fevered wallow, and chewing each others’ hooves!

71. liberalcatnip - 21 June 2008

68. More proof that prescription crack is to be avoided at all costs.

72. lucid - 21 June 2008

HRH – I’m not really looking right now. I haven’t attempted to go on a date for about 6 months… but I still get lonely from time to time. I do have a crush on a lovely woman at one of my offices, but given that I’m sort of ‘upper management’, pursuing that probably wouldn’t be a good idea.

It’s kind of funny. I spent 70% of my 20’s alone and it never bothered me… maybe the problem is that I’m still in love with my now best friend…

73. lucid - 21 June 2008

71 – I need some. How does one obtain that?

74. liberalcatnip - 21 June 2008

71. By prescription, of course. 🙂

There must be a running bet over at the Great Orange Nader Hating Site to see who can invoke his name first in every thread. I wonder if He Who Shall Be Hated comes up in the gardening threads too.

75. James - 21 June 2008

Visa vis Booman’s fetish for elites:

We don’t need no stinkin’ elites!

76. wu ming - 21 June 2008

65 –

as far as i can figure it, it’s one of two options:

a) that dems were and are deeply implicated in these things, and were/are covering their own asses along with reagan’s/bush’s

b) that dems are so committed to the imperial presidency, even (especially?) if they’re not the ones in the driver’s seat, that they’re willing to make a stand against the little people on principle, to defend the machine on idealistic, not pragmatic, grounds

come to think of it, i guess it’s not really an either-or.

i hope russ reads the goddamned phonebook on the senate floor, if for no other reason than to irritate them. people love to make fun of the korean or taiwanese parliaments, where opposition pols would literally fistfight and throw shoes and chairs at each other to prevent votes from taking place, but at least those people give enough of a shit to make a bit of trouble.

77. Intermittent Bystander - 21 June 2008

Is it just me, or does that thing on (in?) the eagle’s belly look a bit like this, sashed with a flag or half-hidden by other bands of restraints?

(Photo of “mouse ovum and polar body I” courtesy of Dr. Douglas Kline, Kent State University.)

78. Heather-Rose Ryan - 21 June 2008

Cue song: “There’s a place for us…. somewhere, a place for us….”

Tiny Shetland island declares independence

LONDON (Reuters) – The owner of a tiny island in off Scotland declared its independence from the United Kingdom on Saturday, saying he wanted the territory, population one, to be a crown dependency like the Channel Islands.

In a declaration on his Web site, Stuart Hill, who owns the 2.5 acre island of Forvik in the Shetland Islands in the North Sea, said he no longer recognised the authority of the government or the European Union, and cited a centuries-old royal marriage dowry deal as the basis for his claim.

“Forvik owes no allegiance to any United Kingdom government, central or local, and is not bound by any of its statutes,” Hill wrote.


He is Forvik’s only resident, and his home is a tent on the storm-battered island. He says on his website that he plans to create Forvik’s own currency — the “gulde” — print his own stamps and raise his own flag.

“There will be no income tax, VAT (value added tax), council tax, corporation tax, or any of the other taxes instituted by the British government,” Hill wrote.


“I also invite anyone from any country in the world, who supports these aims, namely to become free of liars, thieves and tyrants in government, to become a citizen of Forvik,” he added.

I’d be happy to send money to him instead of to Obama.

79. marisacat - 21 June 2008

well taking it from the top… there recently was a blurb somewhere that Obama had not liked the original logo (red stripes, rising or setting sun) nor had he liked “Change We/You Can Believe In”. But he, Great Master, accepted both as accomplished facts, and moved on. Great Leader.

I ahve read that the logo is too reminsicent of Nations Bank, and I would agree… I ahve also read that Nations Bank likely says nothing as it suits them. By subliminal prodding we shall die.

I always had problems with the logo (red white and blue ga ga HappyLand, ugh). And problems with the eagle as appears (often as a watermark styled impression) at his website. It is a decidedly evil and war making eagle. I had not reached “reptilian”, but SMBIVA are on target.

The eagle and vacuousness of his website is one reason I don’t go there unless I am hunting some USELESS but nevertheless interesting to me speech of his.

Did I long ago, to my satisfaction, detect that ObamaMaster has a problem, and A BIG ONE, with females. yeah I did.

Poor fella.

80. Arcturus - 21 June 2008

Michael Hudson again:

Today’s plunging real estate and stock market prices are not a self-correcting ebb and flow in which downturns set in motion automatic stabilizers that produce recovery. Each U.S. recovery since World War II has started out from a higher level of debt. The result is like driving a car with the brakes pressed more and more tightly. Alan Greenspan at the Federal Reserve flooded the banking system with enough credit to enable debts to be carried by borrowing against the rising price of homes and office buildings, corporate stocks and bonds. In effect, the interest charge was simply added onto the debt balance.

But today, the prospects are dim for paying off debts out of further price gains for homes and real estate. Speculators have pulled out of the market – and as late as 2006 they accounted for about a sixth of new purchases. Asset-price inflation fueled by the Federal Reserve – is giving way to debt deflation. The United States and other countries have reached a limit in which scheduled interest and amortization absorb the entire economic surplus of so many individuals, companies and government bodies that new construction, investment and employment are grinding to a halt. Families, real estate investors and companies are obliged to use their entire disposable income to pay their creditors or face bankruptcy. This leaves them without enough money to sustain the living standards of recent years.

This means that there won’t be a rebound, and it will take longer than 2009 to recover.

. . .

In academic economic terms, America has never been in as “optimum” a position as it is today. That’s the bad news. An optimum position is, mathematically speaking, one in which you can’t move without making your situation worse. That’s the position we’re now in. There’s nowhere to move – at least within the existing structure. “The market” can’t be stabilized, because it was artificial to begin with, based on fictitious prices. It’s hard to impose fiction on reality for very long, and the rest of the world has woken up.

In times past, bankruptcy would have wiped out the bad debts. The problem with debt write-offs is that bad savings go by the boards too. But today, the very wealthy hold most of the savings, so the government doesn’t want to have them take a loss. It would rather wipe out pensioners, consumers, workers, industrial companies and foreign investors. So debts will be kept on the books and the economy will slowly be strangled by debt deflation.

. . . what used to be a democracy will be [might argue the tense] turned into an oligarchy. And oligarchies historically are so short-sighted that they stifle the domestic economy, driving enterprise and emigration abroad. This threatens to reverse America’s long-term affluence, which means literally a flowing-in – an inflow of capital, of skilled immigrants and other labor, of technology, and of foreign support. All this has now been put in danger by the policies pursued at least since 1980.

81. marisacat - 21 June 2008

LOL Watson took issue, Clarke wants to be friends..

According to Rep. Yvette Clarke, D-N.Y., Obama then said, “However, I need to make a decision in the next few months as to how I manage that since I’m running against John McCain, which takes a lot of time. If women take a moment to realize that on every issue important to women, John McCain is not in their corner, that would help them get over it.”

Rep. Diane Watson, D-Calif., a longtime Clinton supporter, did not like those last three words — “Get over it.” She found them dismissive, off-putting.

“Don’t use that terminology,” Watson told Obama.

Clarke did not react the same way.

“I, personally, as a Hillary supporter, did not take that as something distasteful,” Clarke said. “Nothing like that.”

But, Clarke said, Watson “latched on to those three words.”

It just makes me laugh.

And from page 2 of the ABC report:

Obama then said two sources at the meeting said that he’d held his tongue many times during the campaign against Clinton in the interest of party unity and sensitivity. Clinton and her allies had suggested he was a Muslim, had said he wasn’t qualified to be president.

According to the sources, Obama suggested he bit his tongue every time. He could be asking for an apology, he could be asking for the Clintons to reconcile with him, but he chose to rise above it.

Still laughing. I say, he used Matthews and Olberman and others. And I say clearly the media is a lot less interested in the dullness of the run Obama vs McCain… over the great fun of Obama v Hillary.

Such a kick agaisnt media stereotyping the hype and the type: A black woman took issue.

82. marisacat - 21 June 2008

The result is like driving a car with the brakes pressed more and more tightly. —- Michael Hudson via Arcturus…

and it did nto have to be that way. Not really.

83. ms_xeno - 21 June 2008

#74, catnip (welcome, er– home):

catnip, The Evil One wants it legalized. (An interesting position for a supposed “scold.”) So, yeah, there’s gardening and then there’s “gardening.” [wink wink nudge nudge]

84. ms_xeno - 21 June 2008

hrh: #66.

So throw your hat in the ring already. I know Heart at The Margins is running as a Free Soil Party candidate, but she and I don’t get along. Also I think that you and I might be more musically compatible, whatever our other issues. :p

85. bayprairie - 21 June 2008

the hill has more from obamas just-get-over-it to the black women in CBC.

“Look, Diane,” Obama said, according to a participant who attended the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) meeting. “John McCain, if he’s elected, is going to pick a Supreme Court that will roll back every gain women have made in the last 50 years.”

Seeming frustrated, Obama started talking more bluntly about why women should be supporting him over Sen. McCain (R-Ariz.), whatever their feelings about the divisive Democratic primary campaign.
“He can be pretty direct,” said the CBC source. “It was a pretty lively meeting.”

The direct approach has its risks.


Obama’s meeting with the CBC represented an early test of his leadership as the Democratic nominee, especially because some in the Black Caucus were ardent backers of Clinton and want her to be Obama’s running mate.

Obama started the meeting on an inclusive note, telling members who had supported Clinton “that was then, and this is now,” according to House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.).


Fence-mending was the point of Obama’s stops in and around Capitol Hill this week. His campaign scheduled meetings with members of the Hispanic, Black and women’s caucuses. Each represents a community with longstanding ties to the Clintons. Hispanic members have pointedly said that Obama needs to reach out more to their community.

It didn’t always work. Some female members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus reportedly stayed away from the photo opportunity after the event.

The women’s caucus meeting was canceled Thursday because it conflicted with House votes.

86. ms_xeno - 21 June 2008

BTW, everybody drink up. The “Swingers” are starting to show up: The folks who will vote for McKinney if it’s “safe” and if they don’t live in a “swing state” and yadda yadda yadda.

Tch. I hate that shit. Vote for who you want. Forget the vote-swapping, the “safe” shit, and all that hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth. When the election is over, write a couple of posts less about the [snerk] Wheedonverse and work on electoral reform, instead of resigning yourself to the notion that you have a second-class vote in a fifth-class state. What bullshit.

If you’re voting to “make a statement,” but your “statement” is, “Hey, don’t hurt me ! I couldn’t have had any influence anyway,” what in the blue blazes is the point ? Why even bother to vote ?

87. marisacat - 21 June 2008



88. Arcturus - 21 June 2008

people supposedly like blunt ‘n direct plainspeak

he outghta make get over it the new campiagn slogan for his stump speeches

82. Grand Theft

89. marisacat - 21 June 2008

Grand theft, yeah truly………………

I kinda like:

Yo Bitches, Get over it! Then he can hypocritically finger shake at rappers. Just taking it to the “next level”…


90. NYCO - 21 June 2008

Breaking news! This year’s crop of American college grads are discovering that they will be expected to work during the summertime for the rest of their lives!

Wow, this is a really disturbing trend. Thank God the New York Times is there to report on it in-depth.

You always knew that after summer, you go back to classes. And after classes, you have a summer,” said Katie Dinterman, 23, who graduated from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill last December and who now works at a public relations firm in Midtown Manhattan. “It’s very crazy to think that you don’t have an end point,” she said. “It definitely stresses me out.”

As the song goes… “Birth, School, Work, Death.” Guess what part you’re on now, honey?

91. marisacat - 21 June 2008

nuuu thred…………….


………….. 8)

92. marisacat - 21 June 2008


the “Work” cycle………………….LOL………………….. ahead to the abyss.

93. NYCO - 21 June 2008

92. Actually, you’ll be ahead of the game if you start thinking about the “Death” part long before you turn 65. No, not in a morbid way, but instead keeping an eye on the moral and spiritual dimensions of life.

But, most people will just trundle along trying to be a huge success at “Work,” concentrating on nothing else, until they’re very near the “Death” part… mistakenly thinking they’re going to somehow avoid it because they’ve “Worked” so hard.

Actually it’s not the 23 year old that makes me roll my eyes — it’s the NYT for acting like this is worthy of a feature. (You know, it’s not like blue-collar 23-year-olds face the same thing as they go in to the factory… just middle-class kids, apparently. Woe!)

94. liberalcatnip - 21 June 2008

83. there’s gardening and then there’s “gardening.” [wink wink nudge nudge]

Ouch. (Still sore from the move).

Btw, I saw Recount and I don’t recall the “N” word (Nader) being used in it once. That must have been incredibly disappointing for the little orange munchkins.

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