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Sunday evening thread………….. 22 June 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

India moonsoons

India’s annual monsoon rains have arrived early, causing floods that have killed at least 23 people in the north-east of the country. [AP via BBC]

I’m calling it off, LOL. Offered Brokaw, I’d take Russert back. Both are July 4th and hot dogs, flags flapping – and whatever else, both wrote atrocious mittel mittel books and pandered miserably, but Russert, on balance (or off!), was slightly more alive (when he was). It’s not saying much.

What a choice. We are so screwed.



1. wu ming - 22 June 2008

new 3,500 acre fire in the hills between napa and solano county, north of vacaville. still no cool breezes inland, just stifling smoke, it’s hovering around 80. all those thunderstorms did was set a bunch of new fires.

fire season’s gonna be awesome.

2. marisacat - 22 June 2008

they say the whole state is on fire, from one end to the other. If there is going to be fire starters as well as lightning, it is frightening.

3. marisacat - 22 June 2008

500 northern Cal fires now. earlier the TV and radio news made it clear, resources too stretched.

and I just heard of a San Bruno fire, moving toward SSF…

4. marisacat - 22 June 2008

god.. I cannot believe it… except

(06-22) 17:13 PDT Berkeley — Cody’s, the legendary bookstore that catered to literati nationwide for more than half a century and was firebombed in the 1980s because of its support of the First Amendment, has closed its doors, the victim of lagging sales.

The bookstore, which in recent years had closed its flagship store on Telegraph Avenue and its branches in San Francisco and on Berkeley’s Fourth Street, finally settling in early April in one store on Shattuck Avenue, shuttered that store Friday.

Calling it “a heartbreaking moment,” Cody’s owner, Hiroshi Kagawa of the Japanese firm IBC Publishing, said in a statement, “unfortunately, my current business is not strong enough or rich enough to support Cody’s.”

“Cody’s is my treasure and more than that, Cody’s is a real friend of (the) Berkeley community and will be missed,” Kagawa said. ::snip::

5. CSTAR - 22 June 2008

A very disheartening diary. What can I say? A not so subtle attack. Perhaps quote once again Chico Buarque;

Afasta de mim Cale-se


In last week’s frontline on China (which I had to see mostly online ,since we have a crappy TV, crappy reception and no cable subscription), I was impressed with the courage of the environmental lawyer Zhang Jingjing. I must admit that when I first saw her picture, she immediately reminded me of ELis Regina, an enormously loved and politically engaged singer who died in unfortunate circumstances in 1982. Her funeral was a major event in Brazil, in the waning days of military rule – “os anos de chumbo”, the years of lead.

6. CSTAR - 22 June 2008

Re Cody’s. I sadly discovered last September on my visit to the Bay Area that the Telegraph Ave store closed up. And now the whole is shuttered up.

7. wu ming - 22 June 2008

city lights is still around, right?

8. bayprairie - 22 June 2008

Afasta de mim Cale-se

“father, take this cup from Me”?

9. marisacat - 22 June 2008

couple of viewer photos of the San Bruno fire, just so of the city… somehow a bird, or hummingbird?, was caught in the second photo.

10. marisacat - 22 June 2008


yes the environmental lawyer was very affecting.

11. CSTAR - 22 June 2008

“Afasta de mim este calice” is a play on words

calice (chalice) sounds like cale-se (shut up)

This was a song against censorship recorded in the worst of the dictatorship. It managed to get through the censors until they finally figured it out.

12. bayprairie - 22 June 2008

ah. in my poor texas vernacular, father take away the shut-up.

13. marisacat - 22 June 2008

George Carlin died… in Santa Monica.

14. marisacat - 23 June 2008

hmmm analysing raw sewage for illegal drugs. London is pretty druggie, what a SHOCK. Pretty high use of MJ in cities in Europe, more meth in the US… again, what a shock!

[O]ther tests have shown that some U.S. cities have a bigger methamphetamine problem than Europe. Within the U.S., Las Vegas’ concentrations were five times higher than Omaha’s and twice Oklahoma City’s, said Field, who conducted those tests.

Jennifer de Vallance, spokeswoman for the White House’s Office of National Drug Control Policy, said the testing of sewage in 2006 was an experiment to see if it could provide useful data to federal drug officials at a low cost.

“It came back very favorable. Our determination was that it probably could be done on a larger scale,” she said. EPA Assistant Administrator Benjamin Grumbles said that EPA and the national drug office are “working on the details” of a voluntary program at sewage plants that will test for illicit drugs.

“This is sensitive for various communities because these substances do have a stigma attached to them,” Daughton said. San Diego, for example, refused to grant permission to researchers.

For now, this new drug test remains anonymous. Wastewater from thousands, sometimes millions, of people is pooled at treatment plants, so it cannot be tracked to any individual or specific location.

“You could take this down to a community, a street, even a house,” Daughton said. “You can do all kinds of stuff with this. It’s sort of unlimited.”

15. Arcturus - 23 June 2008

Ron Silliman on Cody’s & Berkeley booksellers when the Telegraph store closing was announced

16. marisacat - 23 June 2008

e vero!

Donatella, who personally oversees the orders for Fr Ganswein, the personal secretary for Ratzy, dedicates her spring/summer 2009 mens line to


MILAN, Italy – The latest “first” for Barack Obama comes off the Milan runway.

Calling the U.S. presidential hopeful “the man of the moment,” Donatella Versace dedicated her Spring-Summer 2009 collection presented Saturday evening to Obama, creating a style she said was designed for “a relaxed man who doesn’t need to flex muscles to show he has power.”

Chatting with reporters in the cool of the garden of her private palazzo in downtown Milan at an after-show dinner party, the designer also had some fashion tips for the campaign trail. “I would get rid of the tie and jazz up the shirt,” she said.::snip::

17. marisacat - 23 June 2008

hmmm Tsvangirai takes refuge in the Dutch embassy in Harare

18. NYCO - 23 June 2008

Carlin’s passing is a bummer, but his health was so bad for much of his life…

Am I not remembering the content of his routines correctly… or was he one of the least misogynistic standup comedians of his generation? He seemed to have no interest in making women the butt of his jokes. Just demeaning organized power structures and human silliness in general.

I found his later routines to be more angry than funny — but that’s just because he moved on to a different place, just as he moved on from Al the Hippy Dippy Weatherman to his Seven Words You Can’t Say phase. I never felt he didn’t like people, just that he, well, hated humanity. 🙂

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 June 2008

Zhang JingJing was really amazing.

The thing about meth is no surprise. This culture all-but demands that people be on some sort of speed, from caffeine on up.

Carlin made fun of misogynists frequently, IIRC.

20. marisacat - 23 June 2008

LOL I knew today was going to be just flat out hilarious when I heard Will Smith, paragon of the box office revenue on 5 continents, say that Obama has to be elected as the ideals that drove the Founders just pour from his pores. (Ponder that for a few… )

Don’t miss the brilliance from another corner:

you misspelled ‘KKKat shitterers’…. (0.00 / 0)
but yur wright, Lord, they are a breathtakingly nonsensical amalgamation of naive optimism, the weathe rreport, tired, redundant brainddead cynicism and too much of Grandma’s bad perfume covering their second wave feminist old lady in voluminous polyesther box underwear stench….

by donkeytale @ Mon Jun 23, 2008 at 09:06:17 AM PDT

If this keeps up I will lose track of all the threads blown off course at PffterPoofter by extended commentary about Mcat and those who post here.

Pretty hilarious. Really pisses them off that I am not for the Chicago Daley confrere corporatist (wakey wakey, Jim Daley often at his side, Axelrod and Gibbs on his other two sides… MO takes the 4th side).

Good Luck!

21. CSTAR - 23 June 2008

There’s so much I don’t know second wave feminist …Is that like “nouvelle vague” or “cinema novo”?

22. marisacat - 23 June 2008

…appears Donkeytale knows more than I about feminisms. Not too surprising as I don’t use the word in regard to myself.

My own opinion of America today is that older women should withhold all volunteer, unpaid, work. Immediately. And withhold all donations whether political, charitable or other where they use their own money.

23. ms_xeno - 23 June 2008

Mcat, remember that if you don’t let the menfolks puke all over your page, you is AUTHORITARIAN !!!

[snerk] Mr. Stomach Flu calls somebody an “authoritarian.” Isn’t that kind of like Dick Cheney calling somebody a “cold fish ?”

24. ms_xeno - 23 June 2008

#19, Madman:

…Carlin made fun of misogynists frequently, IIRC…

Too bad it didn’t catch on with the rest of America.

25. ms_xeno - 23 June 2008

#21, CSTAR:

Second Wave Classics, via Feminism 101.

Have at it.

26. lucid - 23 June 2008

I’ve always identified with third-wavers myself… then again, that is also my generation.

27. wu ming - 23 June 2008

will smith just wants obama to be president because he’ll be playing him in the movies. like denzel washington with malcolm x, or val kilmer with jim morrison.

28. liberalcatnip - 23 June 2008

Waves make me nauseous.

29. ms_xeno - 23 June 2008

You’re not using the right kind of raft, catnip. Check out The Sharper Image, Brookstone, etc. If your flotation device cost you less than the entire GNP of either Haiti or Honduras, you’re DOING IT WRONG !!

30. bayprairie - 23 June 2008


that one evidently resented his “hush-up” so much its become an(other) obsession.

whats funny is, in spite of what he says, he obviously reads the site as obsessively as he rants against it. iirc he was warned about the potty mouth. yet complains and complains about the taste of soap.

31. ms_xeno - 23 June 2008

bayprairie, the only thing the dick-waving squad hates more than young women they want to fuck is women too old to be worthy of their magical fuck wand(s).

[cue violins]

32. Arcturus - 23 June 2008

7. yes – best options now are still Moe’s in Berkeley, Green Apple in SF

29. & boogie boards? . . .

33. ms_xeno - 23 June 2008

Arcturus, my boogie board has the Obama Eagle on it. It was a steal at 2K’s worth of non-lobbyist donations.

BTW, the only thing more unwittingly hilarious than fritzwitz’ daily tantrum is Hairless Weasel giving yet another variation of his I-Know-What’s-Best-For-The-Black-Monolith Speech.

Of course, there are POC, even in the very heart of PFF itself, who have said that they are less than thrilled with Obama as a candidate and/or human being. But in Weaselland, I guess those folks just don’t exist.

34. lucid - 23 June 2008

the only thing more unwittingly hilarious than fritzwitz’ daily tantrum is Hairless Weasel

… or shadowthief’s obesession with being banned…

I guess my favorite really has to be titzy’s whole ‘Capitalism has won! If you stand on principle, you’re just a ‘left beinder” speech. Uh, dude, capitalism is violently falling apart at an accelerating pace. Get a freekin’ clue.

35. marisacat - 23 June 2008

speaking of Will Smith breathless to play Obama…

Back in earlier breathlessness… on Charlie Rose one night in … early 2007 was that tall blond Australian actress, for get her name, she has played QEI as well as Dylan (he should sue, LOL) and it was clear, she planned to play Hillary.


36. lucid - 23 June 2008

Cate Blanchett. She’s actually been in some pretty decent roles over the years.

37. lucid - 23 June 2008

She was particularly good in ‘Notes on a Scandal’.

38. ms_xeno - 23 June 2008

#34: Oh, lucid. Everything’s going great for Supreme Commander Ficus. Weren’t you there when he whipped out his wallet full of successful offspring and his treasured photocopies of the first dollar each of them ever made ?

So if THEY’RE doing well under the current system, what the hell is YOUR problem ?

39. wu ming - 23 June 2008

emma thompson was the best hillary in primary colors. i almost wondered if hillary was patterning some of her styling in the primary after thompson playing that character. the haircut certainly seemed that way.

40. lucid - 23 June 2008

As much as I hate to admit it, Travolta did a pretty decent Bill too.

41. marisacat - 23 June 2008



42. marisacat - 23 June 2008

Oh Bama handlers have yanked the Great Seal.

Gee and Ambinder just explained to us wee brained ones, just this morning, how confident and properly hubristic that made Oh Bama seem:


The Obama campaign’s hubris is unflattering to the national political press corps, which is used to Democratic candidates who are indecisive, overly humble, or insecure. When was the last time a Democrat was actually confident about anything?

Barack Obama refused John McCain’s town hall debate invitations, opted out of the public financing system, allowed his campaign to create his own Great Seal all for different reasons guided some the same strategic impulse: his campaign sees these as matters of style, not substance; not no way, not no how would Obama set foot on the fairly narrow turf that the McCain campaign claims as its own.

Whoop. de. doo.

Then, having defended hubris, he explained taking it down (a lot longer)

43. liberalcatnip - 23 June 2008

42. Oh Bama handlers have yanked the Great Seal.

My laugh du jour. I really should have an Obamalama Flip-Flip Counter on my page. Come to think of it, his seal should be an actual flip-flopping seal. No offence meant to seals.

As for the nausea, I guess I’ll just have to stick with Gravol when necessary. No boogie oogie oogie boards for me. (I’m a prairie gal. I like earth.)

44. marisacat - 23 June 2008

Obama has not visited a mosque and has not met prominent Muslim leaders.

Democratic Rep. Keith Ellison: “A lot of us are waiting for him to say that there’s nothing wrong with being a Muslim.”

Puh leeze. March 18, the Great Race Speech, he could not even add in “imam” to the list of various religious. Get over it Keith (who slobbered pretty messily for Oh Bama just a few weeks ago and spoke the party line about abortion, so awful awful, a moment of great moral hoo hoo).

Link to The Page w/ embedded link to NYT article on muslims’ issues with Oh Bamamamama

LOL Enjoy!.


Ellison’s slobberification for Obama, March 24, ’08, and how he is not for criminalising soemthing he is morally opposed to. That would be abortion. Gee I am so fucking relieved.

http://counterpunch.org/waj03242008.html :

45. Arcturus - 23 June 2008

hush now, don’t complain . . .

So why, after six years, is it “one of the worst decisions in the history of the country” that federal judges should consider the facts at Guantanamo? Why is that so frightening a prospect for the president and McCain?

Frightened they surely are, for they have redeployed the “weapons-of-mass-destruction” marketing team. This time we are told that 30 former Guantanamo prisoners have “returned to the fight.” (If that is true, why did President Bush release them? No judge released them. But let that pass.)

It is a serious allegation, so the lawyers looked into it. It turns out that clients of our firm, who were sent to Albania in 2006, were two of the 30. What fight had they returned to? Abu Bakker Qassim had published an op-ed in The New York Times. Adel Abdul Hakim had given an interview. These press statements were deemed hostile by the Department of Defense.

(just heard on the radio that a district court judge overturned the admin’s “enemy combatant” designation for one of the (Chinese Uighurs? not sure) Gitmo prisoners

46. marisacat - 23 June 2008

I see in my inbox some “stuff” from Pelosi on the “modernizing of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act”…

47. Arcturus - 23 June 2008
48. Arcturus - 23 June 2008

46. trust me, it’s spam

49. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 June 2008


Lakoff blames “neoliberals” and their “Old Enlightenment” mentality for the Democratic Party’s weakness. They think they can win elections by citing facts and offering programs that serve voters’ interests. When they lose, they conclude that they need to move farther to the right, where the voters are.

This is all wrong, Lakoff explains. Neuroscience shows that pure facts are a myth and that self-interest is a conservative idea. In a “New Enlightenment,” progressives will exploit these discoveries. They’ll present frames instead of raw facts. They’ll train the public to think less about self-interest and more about serving others. It’s not the platform that needs to be changed. It’s the voters.

The critique of the book is classic Saletan in the rest of the review.

50. Gayle - 23 June 2008

How can anyone list 2nd wave classics and not mention “The Feminine Mystique?” Isn’t that the book that pretty much kicked everything off?

It’s like people teaching Marxism 101 without referencing “Das Kapital.”

Although if I was teaching some youngster about 2nd wave feminism I’d probably go out and get them a slew of early and mid seventies Ms. magazines. I think you have the movement encapsulated right there, moreso than in one or two or even five of the more well known books.

51. marisacat - 23 June 2008

ugh The Fairfield/Napa/Solano fire is only 40% contained.

52. marisacat - 23 June 2008


That reminds me I just read the other night (I am so out of it these days) the new bridge in Paris, roughly around Bercy and the 11e arrond., is named for Simone de Beauvoir (will hunt a pic of it up). I remember, as a child, my mother reading her book, The Second Sex

LOL Speaking of waves and what have you.

53. Gayle - 23 June 2008

The Second Sex

HA! I actually mentioned that book in my post, then erased it.

It’s French you know. I figured the kids wouldn’t be so interested. 🙂

54. marisacat - 23 June 2008

ooops the price of gas is gonna affect School Buses. So says NBC evening news. Hey, anything to destroy public ed.

55. marisacat - 23 June 2008

Speaking of the wimmnens, I saw today that now Obama wants women (so he says, I have my doubts) he mentioned his g\mother became the first woman VP of Bank of Hawai’i. LOL Partial text of his speech in NM, toward the bottom of the transcript. Film of the speech looked deadly dull, to a nearly asleep small group.

These maps are interesting in terms of hard realities of the primaries.

56. Madman in the Marketplace - 23 June 2008

an interesting post about tomatoes on a good urban gardening blog.

57. marisacat - 23 June 2008

NBC moves on to selling the war in Afghanistan (Brian Williams in theatre, at Bagram). And getting Osama.

What a painful fucking joke, esp up agaisnt dwindling education for k-12 in the USA.

58. Gayle - 23 June 2008


Parents already have to pay to have their kids ride the school buses here in MA.

No pay, no bus. I can’t even imagine it. Now they’ll have to pay more, I’m sure.

59. marisacat - 23 June 2008

Well w/r/t gas for school buses, they highlighted Montgomery Co in MD, outside of DC…

They mentioned other changes when targeting other districts. From school lunch fees to higher costs for field trips, etc.

60. marisacat - 23 June 2008

I have to shut down and reboot but before I do… (more from NBC)


United has gone on a three day “How can we do it better” fact finding tour of Magic Kingdom, Orlando FL

I stopped flying United in ’97. Shaking hands with Mickey won’t be doing it.

61. wilfred - 23 June 2008

Olbermann replayed his George Carlin interview from last October tonight.

Carlin said of Bushco “I deal with them with a sledghammer, not a rapier. They just need to be smashed”.

62. Gayle - 23 June 2008

I hate to admit it but if I was training employees to give great service, I’d send them to Disney World.

They are so good at it, it’s frightening. They move how many people a day? I don’t even know but they manage to do with with a smile on their faces and a “can do” attitude like I’ve never seen before.

Have a mentioned there is no visible garbage there? At all? Not even a wrapper on the ground in the height of the season with thousands of vacationing kids milling about?

I told you, it’s frightening. I’ve heard their employee training is insanely structured, approaching militaristic, but as a visitor you can’t help but be wowed by the results.

63. marisacat - 23 June 2008


i agree they have a working model. No question. However: Won’t be working to breakthru YEARS into the second decade of United Airlines utter collapse.

64. NYCO - 23 June 2008

A further comparison of Dean ’04 and Obama ’08:

Something like the Great Seal, during a Dean campaign, would have been created by a Deaniac, maybe posted as the day’s fodder on the DFA blog, but mostly distributed virally. It would have been dumb and cute and exuberant; and the media would have taken little notice of it, but it would have heartened and inspired the footsoldiers.

With Obama ’08, it seems that the Deaniacs actually are in charge now and what you get is something created by a campaign staffer which is twice as breathless, twice as weird, and introduced at an official occasion — to the derision of the media and disheartening of the footsoldiers.

That said, I doubt the average voter ever saw the thing.

65. Heather-Rose Ryan - 23 June 2008

50, Gayle:

How can anyone list 2nd wave classics and not mention “The Feminine Mystique?” Isn’t that the book that pretty much kicked everything off?

It’s like people teaching Marxism 101 without referencing “Das Kapital.”

Exactly. I’m continually amazed at the number of people who loudly call themselves feminists but who have never read The Feminine Mystique, nor do they have the faintest idea what it’s about. Some of them have never even heard of it.

It’s the Mystique of the Feminine Mystique.

As for the “wave” thing, it’s a crock of horseshit invented by academics to give each other something to write about. One big mistake made in the feminist movement was allowing it to be hijacked by academics bent on balkanizing it for their own purposes.

In other news, I just wanted to make sure you folks were aware of an important tidbit from this article:

Obama recently met in Chicago with religious leaders, including conservative evangelicals. His campaign also plans thousands of “American Values House Parties,” where participants discuss Obama and religion

Does that sound like a good time, or what? Let’s all go to one, and bring a keg.

66. marisacat - 23 June 2008

Shit on toast.

I, who can scarcely drink anymore, would NEED a keg.

67. Passerelle a Paris « Marisacat - 23 June 2008

[…] Voice of the Voter, Paris, Viva La Revolucion!. trackback Because it came up in a round about way in the last thread (and I am out of ideas, LOL) the newest bridge, a passerelle or foot bridge in Paris, Pont Simone […]

68. marisacat - 23 June 2008

nu thred……………….



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