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I scream, you scream, we all scream for …. 27 June 2008

Posted by marisacat in California / Pacific Coast, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, San Francisco.

bee bee

… ice cream…

The San Francisco Chronicle has a good update on the colony collapse / honey bee problem… and Haagen Dazs over in Oakland is worried… what if there are no strawberries?

PDT Washington — Could strawberry ice cream disappear from our lives? What about vanilla Swiss almond?

The folks at Haagen-Dazs are worried enough that they and others have mounted a campaign to halt the shocking decline of honeybees and other pollinators of strawberry plants, almond trees and the rest of the roughly 90 percent of terrestrial plant life that needs pollination.

Officials of the Oakland company told Congress on Thursday that more than 40 percent of its product’s flavors, derived from fruits and nuts, depend on honeybees. Without bees, fruits and nuts cannot exist.

As for whether strawberry, raspberry or almond ice cream could disappear, Haagen-Dazs brand director Katty Pien said, “We hope not, but that’s why there is such a sense of urgency, so that the millions of people who love our strawberry ice cream can have it forever.”

Honeybees mysteriously began to abandon their colonies in 2006, destroying about a third of U.S. hives. The rate of decline is accelerating, reaching 36 percent last winter.

“How would our federal government respond if 1 out of every 3 cows was dying?” Maryann Frazier, a bee expert at the University of Pennsylvania, asked during testimony to the House subcommittee on Horticulture and Organic Agriculture.

And this…

Federal research dollars are beginning to flow and will jump dramatically with the newly passed farm bill, but scientists remain baffled about the cause of pollinator decline. The problem extends not just to the commercialized honeybee imported from Europe 400 years ago but, etymologists say, to other native pollinators.

Those include native bees such as bumblebees that are also showing rapid declines, plus butterflies, moths, beetles, flies, hummingbirds and bats. Lack of data on these species hinders measurement.

fuzzy bee asleep

When I first saw this bee laying motionless on its side, I wasn’t sure if it was dead or just sleeping, as I have seen solitary desert bees sleeping in flowers before. I took this photo and wandered off to take some more wildflower photos. When I came back, the bee was still there. I just had to know if it was alive or not, so I bumped the flower. The little fuzzy bee woke up and flew off to another Apache Plume flower, where I left the sleepy bee undisturbed this time. [Bee sleeping in a flower, from The Firefly Forest]

And a bit more…

Visalia beekeeper Steve Godlin said 1.3 million honeybee hives are trucked in each spring from around the country to pollinate the California almond crop, which is fast replacing cotton in the Central Valley. The collapse of honeybee hives and the enormous demand for almond pollination has sent its price soaring.

That will show up soon in grocery store prices, said committee Chairman Rep. Dennis Cardoza, D-Fresno. Haagen-Dazs’ Pien said the company is bracing for not just higher costs but a reduction in the supply of pollinated ingredients.

After a survey showed half the public is not even aware of the bee decline, the company awarded a $250,000 research grant to UC Davis and the University of Pennsylvania. It also opened a public education campaign, starting with a limited edition flavor called Vanilla Honey Bee and a goal to distribute 1 million flower seeds to consumers and community groups to aid native pollinators. A Web site, www.helpthehoneybees.com, provides information.

I think that 50% have heard of the problem with the honey bee is GOOD… more than I would have expected.

The article has several links to information about the collapse or what can be done with the plain old home garden to help…

The group, at www.pollinator.org, is issuing guides for each of 35 eco-regions of the country that can be used by farmers, public-land managers, corporations and consumers for choosing pollinator-friendly plants and practices.

“People who were afraid when they saw a bee are now afraid when they don’t see one,” Adams said.


Just saw this near the end of the previous thread…


We are the last “first” people. We forget that. We act big, misuse our land, ourselves. We lose our own primary.

–Charles Olson, Call Me Ishmael: A Study of Melville, 1947

spermaceti to petrol

1. Farewell to the Holocene

Our world, our old world that we have inhabited for the last 12,000 years, has ended, even if no newspaper in North America or Europe has yet printed its scientific obituary.
. . .

This planetary deficit of opportunity and social justice is captured in the fact that more than one billion people, according to UN-Habitat, currently live in slums and that their number is expected to double by 2030. An equal number, or more, forage in the so-called informal sector (a first-world euphemism for mass unemployment). Sheer demographic momentum, meanwhile, will increase the world’s urban population by 3 billion people over the next 40 years (90% of them in poor cities), and no one — absolutely no one — has a clue how a planet of slums, with growing food and energy crises, will accommodate their biological survival, much less their inevitable aspirations to basic happiness and dignity.

If this seems unduly apocalyptic, consider that most climate models project impacts that will uncannily reinforce the present geography of inequality. One of the pioneer analysts of the economics of global warming, Petersen Institute fellow William R. Cline, recently published a country-by-country study of the likely effects of climate change on agriculture by the later decades of this century. Even in the most optimistic simulations, the agricultural systems of Pakistan (a 20% decrease from current farm output predicted) and Northwestern India (a 30% decrease) are likely to be devastated, along with much of the Middle East, the Maghreb, the Sahel belt, Southern Africa, the Caribbean, and Mexico. Twenty-nine developing countries will lose 20% or more of their current farm output to global warming, while agriculture in the already rich north is likely to receive, on average, an 8% boost.

In light of such studies, the current ruthless competition between energy and food markets, amplified by international speculation in commodities and agricultural land, is only a modest portent of the chaos that could soon grow exponentially from the convergence of resource depletion, intractable inequality, and climate change. The real danger is that human solidarity itself, like a West Antarctic ice shelf, will suddenly fracture and shatter into a thousand shards.

Mike Davis, “Living on the Ice Shelf: Humanity’s Melt Down,” 26 June 2008


Tatiana, Sumerican Tiger, SF Zoo

Photo of Tatiana by Thomas Hawk, thomashawk.com

On Tatiana, the tiger at the SF Zoo:

Diet and Weight

Before she arrived in San Francisco, it appeared Tatiana was reaching her physical maturity. In the six months before she left Denver after steady growth as a cub, zoo records show her weight fluctuated only slightly, between 292 and 299 pounds, in the middle weight range for Siberian females.

But in San Francisco, her weight declined steadily, dropping into the 270s in her first year at the zoo in 2006, into the 260s the first half of last year, then into the 250s last fall. In her last live weighing last December, two weeks before the fatal attack, Tatiana weighed just 244. Her necropsy set her weight at death at 242 pounds, 50 pounds less than her zoo arrival weight as noted in the San Francisco Zoo’s “Individual Specimen Report.”

In Denver, she was being fed 42 pounds of meat a week: six pounds a day, seven days a week. The Denver Zoo says she was in good shape, and that there was no indication she was over-weight when she was sent to her new home.

But upon her arrival in San Francisco, zoo records show she was fed less, 36 pounds a week: six pounds six days a week, with the seventh day a “fast day” that is not uncommon in big cat zoo diets. Her weight records show Tatiana lost 20 pounds in her first month in San Francisco.

.. and this:

“Frantic for Food”

In the months that followed the return to the smaller diet, Tatiana’s keepers made note several times of her apparent hunger for more food in the log entries. From the zookeeper’s log of April 21, 2007: Tatiana “frantic for food.” From the log of June 1: Tatiana “frantic for food.” From the log of June 3: Tatiana “very hungry.” From a November 11 zookeeper report, noting Tatiana’s theft of part of a male tiger’s meal: “Animal got double her ration today. She acted like she wanted more.”

The San Francisco Zoo’s Jencek said the keepers’ notes were not unusual. “You want the animals to be excited about meal time. That’s the kind of response you want from them. I don’t want an animal being sluggish. I’d rather have an animal that’s active and enthusiastic.”

But some outside experts disagreed, saying zookeepers make note of the unusual, not of normal behavior. “You do want some eagerness to eat, but it sounds like this was on the other side of that,” said Richardson. “At least the keeper thought it was, or he wouldn’t have written that. You know maybe we’re not giving her enough. First thing that pops into my mind. That’s without seeing her, but that’s the most common reason a cat would be that hungry and act that hungry is that she’s not getting enough.”

Pat Derby, founder and president of PAWS (Performing Animal Welfare Society) and a veteran of 35 years working with tigers and other captive wildlife, said feeding behavior is important. “We instruct our keepers if the animals eat everything that you feed and they still display signs of hunger, if they’re snarly and they attack the meat, you want to increase their diet. Behavioral signs are critical to any diagnosis. You can’t just look at an animal and say they look thin or fat.”

Throw the zoo officials and any city officials involved into the tiger grotto. Every chapter of that Christmas day at the Zoo is a nightmare.


The Chron also has an report on local reaction to the ruling in Heller

[T]he National Rifle Association immediately said it would use the ruling for a new round of legal challenges to gun-control laws, including the ban on handgun possession in public housing in San Francisco.

San Francisco voters approved a broader prohibition on handgun possession by city residents in 2005, but it was overturned by state courts, which said it conflicted with California law.

Trigger-lock law threatened

A separate ordinance, passed by the Board of Supervisors in 2007, requires gun-owning residents to keep their weapons in locked boxes or to disable them with trigger locks. Cox said the NRA might challenge that law as well.

That restriction, the court said, “makes it impossible for citizens to use them for the core lawful purpose of self-defense.” One advantage of having a loaded handgun available, Scalia observed, is that “it can be pointed at a burglar with one hand while the other hand dials the police.”

San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris said both the Housing Authority ban and the local trigger-lock requirement appear to be vulnerable under the ruling.

The ruling “leaves open for dispute and interpretation some of the existing laws that we have restricting or regulating gun ownership and use,” said Harris, who was co-author of a brief signed by 18 prosecutors around the nation urging the court to rule narrowly and leave local regulations intact.

The courts will be busy



1. NYCee - 27 June 2008

Not only captive, but captive and starving.

That story is painful about Tatiana.

It would be so even if she had been an ugly creature, but she certainly wasnt.

Scrolling down without knowing a tiger would appear, all I saw at first was a gorgeous flash of amber and black beauty, just a snap before classifying it as “tiger” … Wow.

2. marisacat - 27 June 2008

it was hard to find a picture of her to use… but that one, taken by an individual photographer, in the year before her death, in her cage, was what I wanted.

They should close the zoo. Really.

A couple of years ago I stumbled in a Cspan Wash Journal that spent a half hour on how badly managed, cruelly mismanaged (animals have died of neglect) the DC zoo is… and that it is under the authority of congress… DC being a colony, essentially. Geesh can we care for nothing.

3. marisacat - 27 June 2008

Well… this should send a chill up anyone’s spine, tho entirely to be expected…. A financial advisor on ABC is suggesting strongly to get out of any investment linked to the American consumer. “Hard times are here” and “7.00 a gallon gas is being predicted”.

4. ms_xeno - 27 June 2008

…Geesh can we care for nothing…

Well, as soon as Newt stages his comeback via FOX, we’ll hear all about it and then the Democrats will leap to action. Probably Obama will be on the scene, lecturing the animals about hope and passing out flag pins.

We have at least two colonies of bees at Chez Xeno. Both of them bumblebees. They apparently like to move into holes abandoned by burrowing small rodents. I see some of them at times disappearing into/emerging from a hole leading to the crawlspace below the house (we have no basement). I have huge clusters of spiderwort that brings them out in droves, because that perennial puts out brand new blooms every day for a month, even in part-shade.

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 June 2008

Once again my head explodes at the hypocricy of rightwing orgs like the NRA. Haven’t they been whining for decades about how terribly litigious the left is, about how terrible it is for courts to overthrow “the will of the people” etc.

At least some of us will be heavily armed when the food riots hit. I’m sure that will work out great.

6. liberalcatnip - 27 June 2008

I bought a pot of these lilies last nite. (A splurge for me – a 10″ pot for $20). Just beautiful and they seem to be new around here. More info here.

I won’t have as much room as I thought for gardening here with the invasion of a trampoline and above-ground pool in the yard so I’ll be relegated to containers. There’s one main flower bed that the (anal-retentive, perfectionist) roomie is planting – flowers evenly spaced and colour-coordinated etc. Yeesh. Because we all know nature is perfect. She spelled out The Plan for me and I told her that she’d better plant her own little flowers. Dog forbid I should put a yellow one where a red one was supposed to go.

I see the big UNITY event is on today. I guess that means all will be right with the world again? (hehe)

7. liberalcatnip - 27 June 2008

Snake Oil: $2300/bottle. Send Money Now! We even have a convenient payment plan for you. Heal! (Heel!)

8. liberalcatnip - 27 June 2008

Talking head slobberation ensues with the main point being that they didn’t kill each other on stage so that’s a hopeful sign.

9. marisacat - 27 June 2008


somewhere or other (think The Page) one attendee referred to the event at the Mayflower as ‘being sent to Aunt Ida who pinches your cheeks’. Considering how lecturing and pulpiteer one is, mean older sister the other is… I say BINGO.

Whatever makes them all happy so they kill each other and not us.

10. Arcturus - 27 June 2008

NYT’ headline to receive paraleipsis award du jour:

“Muslim Supporters Shouldn’t Be a Political Liability “

11. marisacat - 27 June 2008


I must be missing it at NYT, both FP and political page. hmm…

LOL ON the political page I do see a link to Greenwald in Salon about Obama’s secret plan to save the rule of law. Good choice of wording

12. marisacat - 27 June 2008

LOL Maybe Richardson heard from a little bird he never was on the VP list (from Ben Smith).

Richardson’s praise

This should make John McCain’s mailings and Spanish-language media in New Mexico, at least:

“You can’t underestimate John McCain with Hispanics,” Richardson said. “He’s got a good record on immigration.”

13. Arcturus - 27 June 2008

here – it jumped off the google news page at me – actually in Letters to Ed – the headline, I’d assume, is by the NYT

14. marisacat - 27 June 2008

Thanks Arcturus… in the meantime I had to reboot, off to read.

15. marisacat - 27 June 2008

From the second letter at the link:

The Obama campaign has disappointed us, disappointed our passions, our hopes, our enthusiastic youth and our hopeful veterans. But we understand, and we support the message of inclusion.

And i have a bridge to sell her, with the urgency of now. If you are constantly disappointed, across the spectrum of your people… get a clue, YOU ARE NOT INCLUDED.

16. Arcturus - 27 June 2008

re: yesterday’s talk about BO & the DP – no, it wasn’t news to those paying attention (good grief that woman on DN! this am) that he’s a longtime DP supporter – what IS shocking is the seemingly uncritical embrace of widening it to a whole ‘nother category of crimes where no one was killed, not merely another widening of ‘special circumstances’ (i.e. murder w/in x feet of a church, of a LE officer, etc) – the only exceptions to that historical practice are treason & desertion – the system can’t adequately deal w/ the capital cases it already has – assuming only 1/3 of the child-rapists were to receive a death sentence, does he have any idea of the numbers that would be involved? the expense??? not to mention that once the door is opened to death sentences for a crime where no is killed, one can only imagine the drumbeats for more

17. marisacat - 27 June 2008

well, it is the Ricky Ray Rector moment. Despite poor Dick Polman (who I read and often don’t disagree with) saying, at least O did not fry some convict.

Oh but he did.

18. marisacat - 27 June 2008

The most cynical Dem run, of my life. And my life included some very fucked runs. The party knew that all people had left was celebrity pages and slap happy, die without it, “hope”.

Count me out.

19. Arcturus - 27 June 2008

36th levee in the midwest broke:

“The levee simply sustained water levels higher than it was designed for and for a much longer period of time than anyone had hoped,” the Corps said in a statement.

I wonder about the upcoming winter. Folsom Lake is nearly drained, like most CA reservoirs. We’ve had levee trouble in the past, w/ water managers wanting to hold back as much as they can during droughts, then getting overwhelmed by ‘pineapple express’ storms dumping unexpected amounts in short periods & finally releasing massive amounts too quickly.

20. marisacat - 27 June 2008

During the night I caught a news report from Missouri, “levees like jellie”
– and primed to go.

I think it is three weeks now of flooding, several rivers and tributaries.

21. marisacat - 27 June 2008

Kozloff at CP looks at another crumbling levee of Obama’s, School of the Americas.

Watch the water rise.

[N]o, it’s not fear of GOP retaliation on the campaign trail that keeps Obama quiet on WHINSEC. What the Senator is really concerned about is offending the movers and shakers within the military-industrial complex. Closing WHINSEC would demonstrate that the United States has no interest in dominating the peoples of Latin America by military means. Obama however is reluctant to make a clean break from the United States’ imperialist past.

On the other hand, try as he might to skirt the issue, Obama will soon be obliged to take a clearer stand on WHINSEC. That’s because the House recently approved the McGovern-Sestak-Bishop amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act for 2009. The amendment obliges WHINSEC to publicly release the names, rank, country of origin, courses, and dates of attendance of the school’s graduates and instructors.

Legislators pressed for the measure because in recent years WHINSEC has withheld vital information that would have helped to identify the perpetrators of massacres, targeted assassinations, and human rights abuses committed in Latin America. In a resounding defeat for the Pentagon, the measure was approved by a vote of 220 to 189. The amendment now heads to the Senate where all eyes will be on Obama. ::snip::

22. marisacat - 27 June 2008

I came across some reference to Olberman bitching and moaning how fast some complained about Russert, he was not cold, not in his grave, etcetera!.

Well he must be cold and long long long in his grave cuz fruit of the ol’ Russert looms is shilling for a job at (as he put it) “the Peacock network”.

Grace a Larry King. LOL Someone should pee on the child peacock…

23. marisacat - 27 June 2008

Again, I can recommend the archives at chicago Trib, Sun TImes, Chicago Reader, so stuff is not newzzzzzzzzzzz:

[A] new (rotting) piece of Obama’s legacy? “The squat brick buildings of Grove Parc Plaza, in a dense neighborhood that Barack Obama represented for eight years as a state senator, hold 504 apartments subsidized by the federal government for people who can’t afford to live anywhere else. But it’s not safe to live here,” Binyamin Appelbaum writes in The Boston Globe.

“A Globe review found that thousands of apartments across Chicago that had been built with local, state, and federal subsidies – including several hundred in Obama’s former district — deteriorated so completely that they were no longer habitable,” Appelbaum continues.

The names connected to Grove Parc: Valerie Jarrett, Allison Davis, and yes, Tony Rezko. “Rezko’s company used subsidies to rehabilitate more than 1,000 apartments, mostly in and around Obama’s district, then refused to manage the units, leaving the buildings to decay to the point where many no longer were habitable.”

Page 1 of The Note with multiple links. The Chicago lawfirm ObamaRama was at for … 6 years I think, was the conduit resource for state and federal monies for all sorts of games. The Allison Davis mentoned above was a partner in the firm . Valerie Jarrett’s father was head of Chicago Housing Authority under FDR. And she has been around for the shenanigans. This ain’t your grandfather’s paternalism. Nor Eleanor’s maternalims.

I rather expect ObamaRama to make VJ his Chief of Staff. I’m so hoping he does. Shades of McClarty and Arkla.

24. mattes - 27 June 2008

Not sure if ya’ll have seen this:

Israel gives UN watchdog secret briefing on Iran
By Barak Ravid
Tags: IAEA, Aaron Abramovich

Foreign Ministry Director General Aaron Abramovich secretly visited the headquarters of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna Wednesday and briefed a group of ambassadors from countries involved in the agency’s efforts to stop Iran’s nuclear project. Abramovich emphasized that the IAEA must act more quickly and efficiently to block Iranian nuclear ambitions.

The unusual visit was the first senior Israeli briefing of IAEA member ambassadors in several years. The IAEA is considered relatively hostile to Israel, a tool in Arab world attacks on Israel for rebuffing efforts to monitor the Dimona nuclear reactor.

Abramovich presented Israel’s concerns about a continued nuclear program in Tehran. He noted that Iran continues to enrich uranium undisturbed and that Israel believes it is developing a secret military nuclear program.

“The Iranians are buying time and are not cooperating with UN Security Council demands and the recommendations of the international community,” Abramovich told the ambassadors. “This must be addressed, and the IAEA is one of the entities that can do that.”


25. mattes - 27 June 2008

I forgot to include the priceless comment on the Haaretz article:

Israel Signed the NPT?

What right does Israel have to directly address the IAEA? The are not signors to the Proliferation Treaty. Sign and then talk or don`t sign and STFU

Guy from NYC:

26. marisacat - 27 June 2008

LOL why shoudl they sign? When were they held to anything?

27. marisacat - 27 June 2008

“He better go back to the Internet,” said another person who was in the room.

Another one of the rebel children, talking out of turn after the Mayflower meeting.

28. marisacat - 27 June 2008

Dodd praises Reid’s leadership on FISA. Greg Sargent serves the dish with drool and slobber. So appetizing.

oops! must go! Doug Kmeic is up on TNH, on the Roberts court. Beloved of Obama. Or the other way around.

29. marisacat - 27 June 2008

Yup NRA filed suit against CCSF and SF Housing Authority over Heller

30. ms_xeno - 27 June 2008

I took catnip’s name in vain.

But Smithee started it. [pout]

BTW, was it catnip, Mcat, or somebody else who mentioned a treasure trove of Chicago press pieces somewhere that took a rather skeptical view of Obama’s community organizing career ? A cursory use of google brings up TNR, Saint Kristol, and hordes of confused Muslim-bashers.

Just wondering.

31. marisacat - 27 June 2008

Wilmette Illinois suspends their handgun ban..

AND, just heard that NRA has filed suit against CCSF and SF Housing Authority, in the wake of Heller.

32. ms_xeno - 27 June 2008
33. liberalcatnip - 27 June 2008

16. assuming only 1/3 of the child-rapists were to receive a death sentence, does he have any idea of the numbers that would be involved? the expense???

He’s only interested in the fierce urgency of getting elected. Don’t confuse him with facts.

(And what difference does it make if a murder is committed x number of feet from a church? That’s the first I’ve heard of that ridiculous exception.)

34. marisacat - 27 June 2008

ms xeno, if you go to Chicago Trib, Sun-Times archives on Obama (there is a lot, not just on “comunity organsier) or to the Boston Globe today (see above comment 23 on The Note), they look at the dirty inner city workings of public housing cash for renovations to Rezko and then privatisation of maintenance and upkeep.

Also Chicago Reader, a local press that has several long articles on Obama in their archives. They headline that section: ObamaRama.


35. liberalcatnip - 27 June 2008

I noted during today’s Obamalama speech he said he was a community “leader” – not an “organizer”. That was new to me.

36. Arcturus - 27 June 2008

32. the degree of specificity for qualifying enhancements gets to be quite ridiculous in many states (& fed statutes) – & yes, they use “qualify” – worthy of a Carlin routine – congratulations! you’ve now QUALIFIED for a capital enhancement!

meanwhile, more gooberment by lawsuit – they’re so going to regret not settling this (think the screams about the medical receiver’s spending authority were loud?)

A proposed settlement seeking to reduce California’s prison population collapsed Friday, setting the stage for a trial that could result in the court-ordered release of thousands of inmates.

A court-appointed referee told a panel of federal judges that the Schwarzenegger administration and attorneys for inmate-advocacy groups have been unable to agree on the optimum size of California’s prison population or on ways to reduce crowding.

The referee had proposed reducing the population by 26,500 inmates by diverting many parole violators and inmates with relatively short sentences to county-run programs.

37. CSTAR - 27 June 2008

Ms_xeno #32

What’s that round thingy at the bottom of the ad? It Iooks ike a seal of some kind, a presdiemtial seal. Is it, could it be…

“The Obama Seal of Approval”

38. marisacat - 27 June 2008

He claims successes with “Altgeld Homes” so adding that to your search may help.

I am sorry I try not to keep much anymore… but did have 30 + links on Obama background bookmarked on IE, which fell apart and was eating my computer the week after Baby died. I dumped IE wihout even thinking of the links.


In other news, 14 y/o charged with capital murder in death of newborn. (thanks to moiv)


39. ms_xeno - 27 June 2008

Thanks for the help, Mcat. But I have to leave now. CSTAR knows too much.


40. Gayle - 27 June 2008


Between the bees and the tiger (WTF, they killed her???) I’m too depressed to care about politics.

I remember once someone released a study that said if insects were removed from the planet all life would cease to exist within five years. But if people were to disappear, life would flourish.

I don’t know if that’s factually correct or not but it sure sounds right to me. What a mess we make. How we survive ourselves? I don’t know if it’s possible.

41. NYCee - 27 June 2008

I was searching for this thing about within X feet of a church warrants death penalty/Obama? Couldnt find anything, but did find this, a la FOX.

Audacity of Vengeance!


“But Obama has never rejected the death penalty entirely. He supported death sentences for killing volunteers in community policing programs and for particularly cruel murders of elderly people.

While the evidence tells me that the death penalty does little to deter crime, I believe there are some crimes — mass murder, the rape and murder of a child — so heinous, so beyond the pale, that the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage by meting out the ultimate punishment,” he wrote in his book “The Audacity of Hope.”

42. marisacat - 27 June 2008


Gayle sorry I did not reference the whole story of Tatiana… if you follow the link, there is a quick synopsis at the end. She was taunted Christmas day, night, really after nightfall. By three visotrs, males, who test showed were drunk and stoned. She cleared the dry moat and scaled the wall. She got one. AFAIC since she was killed, she could have gotten all three. I am nto for the supremacy of the human race.

It seems the one she did get might be the least culpable of taunting her but still was there, and was (iirc) also compromised as to being stoned., she attached the other two, he apparently tried to help his friends. The two who lived have the messiest personal records. One seems to be a professional shop lifter.

Just dicey. As the night unfolded and events since, the whole thing is a clusterfuck. Now this ticbit that she was edgey and underfed.

43. marisacat - 27 June 2008


let me see what I can find NYCee… I read it at one fo the Chicago papers. Maybe it referenced a piece of legislation that died…

44. NYCee - 27 June 2008

She looks thin in the photo, now that Ive taken a longer look.

45. NYCee - 27 June 2008

Thanks, Mc. 🙂

That is just bald-faced looney.

46. marisacat - 27 June 2008

Dow down to 11,346

added: NBC news jsut added that Dow lost 1100 pts this month, and could be the worst June in 50 years.

47. Gayle - 27 June 2008


I did know about the Christmas day attack. I thought they rebuilt the tiger exhibit to be more secure as a result. I did not know she was killed because of the attack, which is incredibly naive of me, I know.

I’m horrified when people kill mountain lions or bears in the wild for attacking people, too. When we’re not badgering them outright, we do get in their way by encroaching on their habitat, killing off their natural sources of food, etc.

“AFAIC since she was killed, she could have gotten all three. I am nto for the supremacy of the human race.”

Yes, and as far as I’m concerned, even if she had taken all three out, she shouldn’t have been put down. She’s a tiger for god’s sake. And, apparently, a tiger who was both hungry and taunted. Why blame her for their poor security?

48. NYCee - 27 June 2008

Politicians sheer political positioning is often quite obvious in their death penalty “exceptions.”

I recall reading Dean’s wholly anti stance on the dp, which he changed for “exceptions” about a year before he ran. It which was so well worded before he mangled it – a concise, common sense statement about the death penalty’s lack of logic, morally speaking, and the lack of deterrence. Then he nipped away at its purity and tucked in an exception for those who killed cops and maybe another one, cant recall for what. Kerry also sullied his once wholly anti stand by making an exception for terrorists.

Obama wants to have it both ways. He apparently made it less easy to sentence the wrong person to death, thus narrowing the dp’s application (Im with you, doves. Aint no Texan!) but drops a few chunks of dripping red meat (For you, hawks! Aint no bleedin heart!) with his exceptions for the elderly and cop volunteers and child murderers. What a mess.

How ’bout that state’s rights thing, too. Leave it up to the states, says he. Hang em high, LA, if ya must (It was a case from LA that led to the SCOTUS call) Must endear him to the libertarians, that Colorado/out-west vote he covets… rugged independence… Leave us to do it our way, you do it yours… to kill or not to kill, chocolate or vanilla… it’s just a preference, really.

Ya know, I get especially upset when people are cruel to dogs and cats. Please, Mr Obama… can those folk get the death penalty too? Oh please please please! I need it.

49. marisacat - 27 June 2008

Well even Kaine who professes to be a Great Catholic and (as afar as I have read) keeps his compromise simple, he is against it but will carry out the law. Jesus in his far back pocket.

But I also read that as soon as the SC ruled on death by injection, that VA ramped up. Minute one.


I will hand it ot Mitterand for his many faults, he shut down DP in France as soon as he took office in 91. Saying that once it is simply not occurring the place it holds in the minds of people changes.

They used to poll at abut 15% regularly for it (as I recall) but with the rise of immigration issues, rise of the right, etc.. I don’t know about now. EU has a platform of being opposed, iirc. Think you cannot join EU if you have capital punishment.

50. NYCee - 27 June 2008

No you cant (join Europe with it). Gawd, what a shame. People’s pet vengeance peeves get no “closure” without the ultimate punishment …

But that’s why I always say I prefer America to Europe. America, hands down, with it’s exciting, ever mutating patchwork of death penalties. A veritable Baskin Robbins of choices!

51. NYCO - 27 June 2008

A black bear wandered into my burb for a fun day of bird feeder raiding and garbage tipping recently. Footprints showed the bear also paused to look into a screened porch. After a hysterical afternoon of fake bear sightings (bears are not at all common here), the creature was discovered up a tree just a few houses down from where he was first spotted.

The state environmental office tranquilized him, then determined he was doomed under the “three strikes and you’re out” rule. Euthanized. (He had been picked up two times previously — most recently, in a high traffic corridor 40 miles away — and just would not stay away from human habitation.) I can’t say they made the wrong decision.

Last winter, a couple of young deer jumped into my backyard (deep in suburbia, post-and-rail fenced). They were cute, probably from a wooded area a couple miles away, and probably looking for food because of the unusually deep snow cover. Now it’s high summer and they just keep coming back. In broad daylight. When people are around. I had to go out in my back yard and get 10 feet away from one and tell it to leave. The next time, I had to throw a pail in its general direction. What’s spooky is that they know what roads are. After fleeing across the backyards, they stop and look both ways!

52. marisacat - 27 June 2008


she was shot that night, during the incident. I gather this is Zoo policy, not just SF Zoo… But there was such a paucity of proper infrastructure (and no security cameras either), no matter what, NOTHING was her fault.

from all reports she only went after the three who attacked her, but even tho a winter night, there were other people there. But yes, let’s get drunk stoned, drive to the beach and the zoo and taunt a big tiger. Brainless. As culpable as the City is, I hope the contributing circumstances whittle down any settlement. To nothing.

The unfold of the scene was a mess. In every way.

53. NYCee - 27 June 2008

The bee on the white flower looks kind of like a tiny bunny.

54. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 June 2008

25 – Amen. Israel, known rogue nuke state and proliferator (reportedly helped South Africa build a nuke, then helped them dismantle the program before Aparteid was dismantled).

55. NYCee - 27 June 2008

No one even talks about the death penalty in politics. At least they talk about how no one (on the Dem side) talks about gun control anymore.

56. Arcturus - 27 June 2008

Liliana Segura

. . . in the recent history of the death penalty, calling for the execution of a person who commits a crime other than murder is a radical stance. Nobody has been executed for such an offense in the United States in over 40 years. Until yesterday, only two people out of more than 3,200 prisoners on death row faced execution for a crime in which the victim did not die. Affirming the death penalty for child rape would not only have potentially placed thousands more people on death row — as Justice Anthony Kennedy noted yesterday, there were 5,792 rapes of children under 12 in 2005 alone — it would have vastly broadened the net for capital crimes, a trend that would quickly become a slippery slope. Nevertheless, “I think that the rape of a small child, 6 or 8 years old, is a heinous crime,” Obama said yesterday, “and if a state makes a decision that under narrow, limited, well-defined circumstances the death penalty is at least potentially applicable, that that does not violate our Constitution.” Never mind cruel and unusual punishment. (And yes, that is Obama embracing the conservative mantle of states’ rights.)
. . .
Informed voters will see Obama’s move for what it is: an opportunistic embrace of a sharply right-wing stance to shed the (dubious) stigma of being “the most liberal senator” in the Congress. In a week that saw him backpedal on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act and on free trade, his supporters may see this as just another move rightward in his path toward the White House. But this is more than that. This is a reactionary stance that betrays those who would be his natural base of support, not to mention those communities that are actually affected by the death penalty. The fact that Obama was speaking at a press conference in Chicago is especially painful. It is a city that, as we speak, is handing subpoenas to police officers who tortured African American men on the South Side into giving confessions for crimes that they didn’t commit — men who ended up on death row. Obama, famously, was an organizer on the South Side of Chicago in this era. He knows how the death penalty system really works. He’s just choosing to ignore it for the sake of cheap political points. How much he will actually gain from his pro-death penalty proclamation is unclear. Is it more than he stands to lose?

It is a sad day when a candidate who so many genuinely saw as bringing “change we can believe in” takes a politically motivated and intellectually dishonest stance in a matter of life and death. Obama risks alienating those who gave him his rise to the top, by betraying the very ideas that attracted them to him in the first place.

57. marisacat - 27 June 2008


I thought that little bee was amazing, one reason I included the text from the site… and the site (one of several the photograher has) is wonderful.

The photog seemed to think it was not a ”honey bee”, but just a “fuzzy little bee” even a “bee mimic”. But, think of sleeping curled on a flower petal…

58. Intermittent Bystander - 27 June 2008

Horrible revelation in the tiger story, but glad the facts got out.

NYCee at 53 – Absolutely! Saw the sleepy bee as a bunny, too. Was relieved to read that it really was just napping in the bloom.

Just yesterday I caught the tail end of a local Fox News station story about a major swarm in western Massachusetts. Snippets from a Berkshire Eagle article below. But while checking Google News to find it, I saw that swarms are on the move and causing some havoc in the UK, Canada, and other places, too. Bummer for the humans who are stung to bits or death, here and there, but somewhat heartening to hear the bees aren’t just giving up the ghost completely . . . .

Bees Cause Buzz

PITTSFIELD — A swarm of bees estimated at 5,000 to 6,000 took up residence in a North Street tree yesterday afternoon.
With the bees in a highly traveled pedestrian area and concerned that they could turn from docile to displeased, Pittsfield Police called in a beekeeper to remove the swarm.

No one was believed to have been stung.


A ball of bees about the size of a basketball hung in the tree while hundreds flew to and from, some landing and walking along the sidewalk.

Joe Amuso, 82, a retired Pittsfield firefighter who tends beehives as a hobby, was called in to remove the buzzing bugs.

“My guess is that they were looking for a new hive,” Amuso said. “This was just a temporary place for them.”

Amuso, who was assisted by his granddaughter Jamie Amuso, 26, lifted a plastic gallon container under the bees and shook the branches until the mass fell. He then poured the bees into a wooden beehive.

Amuso left the beehive underneath the tree for eight hours so the bees that were out on their missions could return to the swarm before he removed it. Police cordoned off the area with yellow tape.


Amuso believes that the tree was a staging area for scouts to launch their search for a new home. In the middle of the massive ball of bees, he said, the queen was at the center.

“If the queen is protected, they’re usually calm when they’re swarming because their tummies are full,” he said.

On Sunday, more than 1,000 angry honeybees escaped from a beekeeper’s hive and terrorized people in Marblehead, stinging several people and pets and sending pedestrians running for cover. The Salem News reported that the swarm also caused a minor accident.

Bee enthusiasts have been paying extra close attention to honeybees (Apis mellifera) lately because of their dwindling numbers. Scientists have been studying possible causes and effects of what has been dubbed Colony Collapse Disorder, but few facts remain.
According to an October 2007 report in Science magazine, 50 to 90 percent of American bee colonies were lost last year.

Amuso said he even has seen a drop in the number of bees he keeps in his hives on his Churchill Street property, where these North Street bees now will reside.

“We’ll take these bees back to our hives,” he said. “They’ll make us some honey.”

59. marisacat - 27 June 2008

hmm I just heard that last year thru the fire season we had 6900 fires. To date we have had 3900.

Yesterday I heard there were a thousand fires going,… Wednesday the air was bad, Thursday was TERRIBLE, today a bit better, but they have said it will be warmer this weekend, some increased moisture and we will possibly get the lightning again.


SOME cos are not upgrading policies nor issuing new policies. No insurance company names given.. hmm.

60. Intermittent Bystander - 27 June 2008

57 – Reminds me of a Tasha Tudor illustration for Thumbelina.

And here’s something from Bloomberg – Wild Bee Swarms in New Jersey Spur Hope of Rebound.

Seth Belson remembers getting a phone call last month asking him to remove a bee swarm the size of a Volkswagen from a man’s front yard in Merchantville, New Jersey.

The beekeeper found a mass of bees towering 50 feet (15 meters) above the ground. There was nothing he could do but wait for them to move on, he said.

“It was mind-blowing,” Belson said. “It sounds like a train when 50,000 bees take off within seconds of each other.”

Swarms of wild honeybees have increased in the U.S. mid- Atlantic region this year, according to Belson. That’s a hopeful sign for commercial beekeepers across the country who have seen their hives devastated in recent years by parasitic mites and a phenomenon termed colony collapse disorder.


Belson says he has removed about 40 swarms at elementary schools, golf courses and houses this year, compared with one call to do so the past two years.

`Premature to Say’

“Hopefully it’s a sign that bees are coming back, but it’s very premature to say that,” said Belson, who is president of the South Jersey Beekeepers Association. “If this happens over the next two years, we’ll call it a trend. At this point, it’s just a hopeful aberration.”

A resurgence of feral honeybees is important because beekeepers build their farms in part by collecting from the wild. It may also suggest that some bees are building immunity to the varroa mite, a common killer of colonies, said Tim Schuler, New Jersey’s chief beekeeper.

Schuler attributes the new swarms this season to mild weather and abundant rain. Commercial bees add $15 billion annually in value to U.S. crops, according to the Agriculture Department.

61. Intermittent Bystander - 27 June 2008

Interesting that the SFChron story cites monoculture agriculture as a potential factor in the reduction of native pollinators. Makes sense.

Yeah, 50% awareness of anything is pretty damn good these days. With any luck, ordinary people with a backyard bee population will think twice about opting for chemical extermination.

Can’t say I’ve notice any decline in activity around here.

62. Intermittent Bystander - 27 June 2008

Yo catnip – Hope the new place suits, despite the regimental roomie.

63. NYCee - 27 June 2008

That’s well said, the Liliana Segura on Obama’s death rattling.

64. NYCee - 27 June 2008

O’Mighty needs to be seriously skewered with pointed, relentless questioning (a la Jeremy Paxman of the BBC’s NewsNight) over his supposed devotion to Jesus and his justification of the death penalty. And other issues as well.

65. NYCee - 27 June 2008

These bee mounds are mindblowing! Remember hearing of some hiker who had to be rescued up high in the mountains… out west, I think. Was coated in angry, stinging bees…

Is very strange, the loss of bees… and unsettling. There was a show about it recently, to probe the reason. Didnt catch it… maybe Independent Lens?

First thing that comes to my mind is genetically engineered crops, but that just seems right… I have nothing Ive read to back it up… just remembering the Monarchs dying or something from the Monsanto crops.

66. bayprairie - 27 June 2008

If anyone wants is curious why Booman Tribune is known far and wide as the online butterfly net for idiots one only has to read this thread.

and don’t miss le petit caporal’s visual putdown of white working women.

67. bayprairie - 27 June 2008

oopsie. left out the tag end. one more time!

and don’t miss le petit caporal’s visual putdown of white working women.

68. Intermittent Bystander - 27 June 2008

It’s a tiny version, but here’s Thumbelina in a rose petal canoe.

Talk about girly!

69. marisacat - 27 June 2008

bay…from th thread. He is such a classic, but I would guess has gotten his hate on for women thru many posts and threads.

One thing I remember from Booberlicious Land was when he was casting aound for a FPer and thought he might want a woman. I watched two highly credible commenters, one with site, magazine and book experience behind her, but both signal that they did nto need to write on womens issues. :In fact, they said, Boober and Steven D did it so well, all they’d need to do was add their perspective. LOL

Re: Cosmo-Sipping PUMAs and Party Unity (none / 0)

Boo – you lost moral authority to talk about party unity when you wrote that post about how you couldn’t vote for Clinton. What goes around comes around.

What goes around comes around.

by AliceDem on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 at 08:20:36 PM EST

Re: Cosmo-Sipping PUMAs and Party Unity (none / 0)

I wouldn’t vote for Clinton. And I haven’t been going around trumpeting party unity either. And this post doesn’t trumpet it either. The Dems are about to win over the White House and huge majorities in Congress. I don’t really care whether these people that I am mocking vote for McCain or write-in Kucinich.

by BooMan on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 at 08:25:22 PM EST

70. marisacat - 27 June 2008

Oh and for brilliance to outshine the sun, elsewehre he declares that McCain will lose like Mondahl. which to be clear was 49/1

I thnk it will be a tough race.

71. ms_xeno - 27 June 2008

I only own one book w/Tudor illustrations. It cost me a bundle (in ’80s dollars). But I’m glad to have it.

72. moiv - 27 June 2008

As for whether strawberry, raspberry or almond ice cream could disappear, Haagen-Dazs brand director Katty Pien said, “We hope not, but that’s why there is such a sense of urgency, so that the millions of people who love our strawberry ice cream can have it forever.”

Yep, that’s the only possible reason to be worried. Nothing else makes sense.

OTOH, that makes about as much sense as anything else I’ve read this week.

73. moiv - 27 June 2008

OK, bay, you lured me over to look at it, and now I want to puke.

All these years of Dems caving on anti judges while shacked up with DFLA, then Obama in bed with the god-botherers, and now I see women who know better posting bloody graphic threats of what will happen if we don’t coo that yes, yes, yes, it’s the best we’ve ever had.

74. marisacat - 27 June 2008

Boober would do himself a favor to track the commentary leaking from the Big Donors get together at the Mayflower. I hve been very entertained.

I have no idea what he is bitching about, when apparently he said he would not vote for Hillary.

This has to be third or so nasty bitchy post I have caught there – about Clinton voters, and I don’ t go daily. Or weekly.

75. marisacat - 27 June 2008

Karel on KGO is just slashing and burning his way thru R-e-l-i-g-i-o-n. LOL pretty funny…

And at the close of Moyers, one of thsoe non-ads from Moyers himself about How Important this Election Is. The Mostest Ever.

76. bayprairie - 28 June 2008


im sure this is how he distances himself from his first two great blog successes, i.e. the promotion of larry johnson and susan hu.

remember folks, booman promoted them first. and not just kinda. lord he used to defend those two left and right.

77. bayprairie - 28 June 2008


one of the self styled “sheroes” in that thread does know better, but self promotion heads the list. i would suppose its all about the “hope” of a meal ticket.

or something.

the very fact shes hanging out at booman illusrates how good her judgement is.

not very.

78. moiv - 28 June 2008


Remember? How could we forget?

But there’s a new crop over there now, unburdened by the weight of institutional memory.

79. bayprairie - 28 June 2008

I have no idea what he is bitching about, when apparently he said he would not vote for Hillary.

i don’t recall him having a problem voting for casey. do you? i mean whats a little nose holding to a democrat? i thought it was a requirement for the position.

but can’t we get a coathanger in that thread just for the senator from pennsylvania? it’s laughable the way the like to ignore the anti-woman monsters in their own closet isn’t it?

80. moiv - 28 June 2008


All those clothes hanger graphics offend me to the core, but the one in the thread with blood spatter that says “a different kind of red, white and blue” is way over the line.

“Defend Roe,” my ass. Real women already are bleeding real blood, and have done for years, so sorry, but it’s not all some goddamn glib game to me.

81. marisacat - 28 June 2008


oh I noticed the Hangerites, as well. So glad to do their bit for Dem Party Retail Politics. LOL Party wimmens.

The BIG PROBLEM online/offline, people want things from the party, or party operatives or [online[ from Dkos. Big problem. THUGS.

‘Deep THoughts” and his other big subject is “I am so fatigued”.

82. bayprairie - 28 June 2008


agree completely.

83. marisacat - 28 June 2008

newer than new thread… LOL


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