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Summer doldrums 7 July 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, Democrats, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.
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Listening to Plunkett from the Denver Post about the plan to have the Great Acceptance Speech at Invesco field [Go Broncos} as opposed to the Pepsi Center:

He wants to open the doors, let the people in and gather them into the fold.

Why go half way? Were biblical sites in The Holy Land booked up?

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1. NYCee - 7 July 2008

I know… INVESCO. Perfect! He does soooo well in big crowds. Smashing air guitar performance. Very big these days. We used to like actual guitar, but now we like the air.

We may see Michelle Bernard lying prostrate on the field. Major Groupie for O, the new MSNBC go-to-gal for all things ObamaRocks! (Conservative hack, knows nothing and need know nothing, from Independent [larf] Women’s Forum.)

I just googled and got Daily Howler with a bit on her background and interminable gushing over Obama.

DailyHowler

Oh lawdy… She just stepped over from Tweety to Stretch!

I have to go wash myself and my clothes now (really).

2. marisacat - 7 July 2008

LOL First Read, The Right is Coming at Obama over Abortion. How long til some dull knife says he must be right, both sides are after him.

Dull dull.

3. marisacat - 7 July 2008

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Apparently McCain camp replied that N’Synch (?Sp?) sold out Invesco twice, ’00 and ’01.

4. wilfred - 7 July 2008

Evidently Obama is taking a page out of JFK’s playbook as that’s what he did at his convention (according to Fineman or Todd on Hardball).

5. marisacat - 7 July 2008

yes so I read when this began to burble up, a few days ago. Perhaps Caroline can send Obama some of Jack’s clothes, to wear.

6. wilfred - 7 July 2008

Perhaps Caroline can send Obama some of Jack’s clothes, to wear.

Lol, they’re already comparing Michelle to Jackie so Caroline can pack a pillbox hat too.

7. marisacat - 7 July 2008

Michelle Cottle spewed out the most slobber piece of supposed political writing, a few months ago at TNR, which is desperately in love iwth Obama’

It was on MO and had colored drawings of her wearing the pill box Jackie wore in Dallas.

This is a very interesting drama to watch. IN all its permutations.

8. marisacat - 7 July 2008

Amy had on the guy who blew the whistle on the AT&T “secret room” here in SF, in 2006 (senate votes tomorrow):

MARK KLEIN: Well, the Democratic Party and the Congress, in general, has been unfriendly to me for the last two years of my efforts. As I say, I’ve been trying to bring my information forward for about two years now. Even after the Congress went Democratic, they turned their back on me, except for a couple of individuals, like Senator Dodd was friendly and a couple of congressmen. No committee of Congress would invite me to testify; it’s never happened. My attorney sent letters, which were never answered. And they never—and they voted not to investigate. So it’s been clear for some time that Congress wants to help the President cover this up, and they were just looking for a way to do it.

And so, now they have a bill that claims to get some kind of concessions. In fact, they got no concessions. This bill would give immunity to the phone companies and thus would kill any hope of finding out what happened by the lawsuits against AT&T and the other companies. And so, Congress is intervening against the judicial process to kill the lawsuits and essentially protect the President.

And it’s kind of ironic, because, you may know, the FISA law itself originated when the Democratic Party in Congress discovered that Nixon was trying to spy on Democratic National Committee headquarters in the ’70s, and they passed this law to require that any domestic spying must go—must be approved by a secret court, a FISA court. And now, the Democratic Party is helping to basically destroy this law. If this bill passes, the law will become a toothless dead letter, as far as I can tell.

The message that will go out is that, on paper, the President is not supposed to do this, but everybody knows the President violated the law over and over, and now he’s going to get away with it. That’s the message if they pass this law: you can get away with it; we’re not going to enforce this law.

If you loved the 110th………………………..etc.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 July 2008

Perhaps Caroline can send Obama some of Jack’s clothes, to wear.

Maybe some altar boys can carry the bloody clothes he died in on a royal purple pillow on the red carpet leading to the pulpit podium at center field.

Meanwhile, I spoke w/ my good friend yesterday who loves Obama … well, until the abortion statement. “So, you may have a point.”

“Sorry,” I say.

“Is McKinney good on choice?”

10. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 July 2008

CBC: U.S. deserter could qualify as refugee: court

An American war deserter could have a valid claim for refugee status in Canada, the Federal Court ruled on Friday.

In a decision that may have an impact on dozens of refugee claimants in Canada, Federal Court Justice Robert Barnes said Canada’s refugee board erred by rejecting the asylum bid of Joshua Key. He ordered that a new panel reconsider the application.

Key was sent to Iraq in 2003 as a combat engineer for eight months where he said he was responsible for nighttime raids on private Iraqi homes, which included searching for weapons.

He alleged that during his time in Iraq he witnessed several cases of abuse, humiliation, and looting by the U.S. army.

When Key was back in the U.S on a two-week leave, he said he was suffering from debilitating nightmares and that he couldn’t return. A military lawyer told him that he could either return to Iraq or face prison.

Instead, Key took his family to Canada and applied for refugee status.

While the immigration board concluded that some of the alleged conduct by the U.S military included a “disturbing level of brutality,” it said the conduct did not meet the definition of a war crime or a crime against humanity.

Barnes said the board erred “by concluding that refugee protection for military deserters and evaders is only available where the conduct objected to amounts to a war crime, a crime against peace or a crime against humanity.”

Citing a case from the U.S. Federal Court of Appeal, Barnes said officially condoned military misconduct could still support a refugee claim, even if it falls short of a war crime.

“The authorities indicate that military action which systematically degrades, abuses or humiliates either combatants or non-combatants is capable of supporting a refugee claim where that is the proven reason for refusing to serve,” Barnes wrote.

11. Madman in the Marketplace - 7 July 2008

Out of a crowd of teargas they rolled … New Ride for China’s ‘Elite’ Cops: Segway

12. marisacat - 7 July 2008

From Lynne Sweet. Does this mean it is a game show?

Since the column below ran in the print Chicago Sun-Times on Monday, the Obama campaign announced that 10 low dollar donors–$5 or more–who donate between Monday and July 31 will be flown to Denver and treated to two days and nights at the convention–with a guest. They will be able to meet Obama backstage and watch his acceptence speech in a 75,000-seat stadium. But that effort for 10–get that only 10–contributors from the more than a million small Obama campaign donors—pales in comparison to the large operation in place to stroke the big dollar fund-raisers who provide the bulk of campaign money for the Obama campaign and other Democratic candidates.

The hwole post from Sweet is interesting, hard news about big donor stroking

13. marisacat - 7 July 2008

have a laugh… the nickname for Invesco stadium is………diaphragm.

The stadium has a rather bizarre nickname. In 2001, the chief executive of Invesco Funds Group threatened to sue the Denver Post after columnist Woody Paige reported that one “key executive” said the stadium was internally at the company called “the Diaphragm,” because of the belief at Invesco Funds that the park resembles a birth control device. Invesco exec Mark Williamson eventually took back the threat after he discovered the nickname was true.

14. wu ming - 8 July 2008

thanks for the links, ms_x. i discovered that i had already blogrolled california greening, but hadn’t checked back there in a while. politics in the zeroes comments on matters green every once in a while too, although he seems pretty burnt out on factional conflict.

wretched hot and smoky air here again. just when i was getting used to seeing blue skies, too…

15. NYCee - 8 July 2008

I think this one needs a public advisory…

Please be advised, the following message contains violent material of a graphic nature that may be disturbing to some viewers:

If it turns out that Obama eats broiled puppies and kittens for breakfast every morning, then we send him puppies and kittens.

16. marisacat - 8 July 2008

Well, that officially lacked maturiity (the Dkos comment I mean).

17. NYCee - 8 July 2008

Mcat:

The Lynne Sweet article linked to one she did earlier on the Obama Camp’s talking points re his change of heart (sleight of hand) on public financing. The main TP, which we’ve heard, is how this flip had to be (there’s always a had to be…) because the RNC has a lot of money and those nasty sideshows (527s) marked R are just the nastiest and McCain wont rein them in (he’s secretly in cahoots). [My distillation]

Excuse me, am I missing something here? Dont the Dems usually get down with 527s as well? As for the RNC playing hard (with more money than the DNC), Obama could have told his $upporter$ to give to the DNC, no? Actually, Obama’s camp seems to want a more muted 527 effort, at least by some, (like this one: Progressive Media USA because they say they want to control the message. Guess they think they can do it better. (Well, no Dem has good talk, in my book, until he has good walk… that’s why they often come across so mild and mushy and faint… then they scream about the big bad GOP. Really.)

Progressive Media USA, the group organized to be the main soft-money advertising vehicle for Democrats in the fall, will dramatically scale back its efforts in deference to the wishes of the party’s presumptive nominee.

From the Sweet bit (talking points within link):

Obama talking points memo: Why Obama dropped pledge to “aggresively” seek public finance deal with McCain.

WASHINGTON-I’ve obtained a copy of the talking points memo the Obama campaign team is distributing to supporters to explain why presumptive Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) did not honor his pledge to to meet with Sen. John McCain (R-Az.) to see if they could make a deal for both of them to use public money to bankroll their general election campaigns.

Most of the hand-wringing 886-word memo–blaming McCain–could be replaced with one simple, more candid talking point: Obama decided to change his mind.

18. NYCee - 8 July 2008

I didnt find any fault with it. I thought it was good. I just heard about it after the fact, wasnt there for the sturm and drang, but it’s better than the alternative – mechanically thumping out support, calls for donations for the nominee, right or wrong, no? The pocketbook speaks. I have no criticism of what he did there.

Speaking of mechanically thumping out…

Chuck Todd was talking yesterday about Team O’s swift rightward (Center Ho!) pivot, commenting that there was something transparently methodical, offensive, about the way Team O seemed to be rushing to check off a list: more wiretapping √, more death penalty √, more gun rights √, more faith based √, more Iraq √… [Disclaimer: I added the “mores”]

19. NYCee - 8 July 2008

Ooops – Meant to make 2 paragraphs out of the 2nd one. Kind of jammed up as it is. (Me need edit button bigtime)

20. NYCee - 8 July 2008

Oops – Meant post 17 for the edit. There I go again!

21. marisacat - 8 July 2008

17, 18

yeah for days the official whine is that Obama needed to get as much cash as possible to run against those mean R third party hordes (we must all act as conscripts to protect the fragile one!). I caught Steve Roberts (the Cokie husband, I hd thought he retired, frankly) doing a segment on KGO radio Monday am, repeating t he same guff. HOWEVER, several of the print political writers have pointed out, Obama is benefitting first from third party expenditures (the Chrisitan 527 group running ads on Xtian radio for him, what a laugh) and has run the first negative ad.

I am sure other groups and ads and what have yous will appear from the Republicans… but for now, it just is not what hte spin is. I also noted that despite the big expenditure planned by the gun lobby (lost the acronym just now, oops NRA) as 40 million, it ws corrected later in the day to 15 mil (not mitigating the power of that lobby at all, nor that McCain has SBVfT participants on board).

I wish em all luck.

I thought moving the political wing of the DNC to Chicago stank, to high heaven. LOL It may not be much on its best days but … that stank. I also caught a reference that the head of the Illinois state party had kept IL COMPLETELY outside and apart from the Dean 50 state strategy (whatever it was or wasn’t, I never was able to get a hold of it in reality) was very interesting..

it all stinks. But I certainly don’t care [it is so academic by now] whether Obama (or McC, if it applied) takes public financing or not. I jsut read (maybe in the Sweet article earlier) that this run is over 900 million. So it will be far over 1 billion by the time we are done, what with multi tens of millions from third parties, from the DemNationalC and the RNationalC… and so on.

Money down the fucking drain. Much of it forked right over to media. We will never get free of this. Ever.

22. NYCee - 8 July 2008

Lol – Joe Scarborough and crew going down the check-off √ list.

Joe ends dramatically by saying only 2 Supreme Court justices say there shouldnt be a mental health exemption for late term abortion… and Obama agrees with them.

He then goes on to blather how this is great that Obama is doing the “reassuring” center dance on all these issues. Distinguishes himself from the “whacky left.” He has always been perplexed at campaigning Dems, wondering why they dont wrap the flag around them, pump out tears when they hear that patriotic Glen Somebody song (Proud to be an American!), thump their bibles, etc.

But, chapeaux, Barack IS doing it!!!

23. marisacat - 8 July 2008

Yes, Thomas and Scalia. Frankly the three pieces that Jan Crawford Greenberg did on his “blues” bullshit, were excellent. And I am not a fan of hers. I read them over and sent them to a couple of people… I cannot even tell where she comes down, but she excavated teh legal mess that Obama made of Doe.

It is esp messy as he claims to have taught “reproductive freedom”… btw, the righties are laughing at him, him saying that he “made Roe a centerpiece of his teaching reproductive freedom”, as in what else could be at the center of teaching that.

24. NYCee - 8 July 2008

It is endlessly disgusting, the amount of money… and for WHAT?

And yeah, the Rs can definitely be nasty and underhanded, but you can be effectively tough and strong in response… if you have principles. I guess Obama is trying to take a leaf from their book — find the winning formula (bible thumpers, gun toters, revenge killers, flag wavers, choice deniers) and that’s your “principle.” Pretty damn old school, to me.

25. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 July 2008

I just can’t wait until it’s over. Gah … so damned sick of it.

The one fun thing is that people who were looking at me funny when I was saying months ago that Obama and Clinton were Republicans aren’t looking at me funny anymore.

26. NYCee - 8 July 2008

Well now Madman, how could you have even entertained that notion? I mean, REALLY!

What with Ben Nelson endorsing Obama! (He seems to have been “reassured” from Day One, sans the rightward check list)

With Rupert Murdoch fundraising for Hillary!

How could you have even…

(It’s has been far from “reassuring” re progressive creds for Obama when everyone from Ben Nelson to Mort Zuckerman to Joe Scarborough, et al, et al have been eager to sing his praises. When Chris Matthews is talking about shivers running up his leg at the sound of his voice…)

27. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 July 2008

I’m just sorta crazy that way … after all, kos had no choice but to ban me for my crazy claim that Massa and Tester were Republican trojan horses! I see Republicans everywhere … my illness is in the DSM.

28. marisacat - 8 July 2008

Rupert daughter fundraising in London for ObamaRama…

LOL I read some snicker the other day about Cindy McC going to London to search out American cash. sort of a ‘how dare she’. LOL Bill C and Michelle O have been going since spring of 07. And Bill C longer than that…

29. NYCee - 8 July 2008

I meant to post the link to that diary on rec list at DK, from which I extracted the post urging us to offer up our small, cute and furry friends, for Obama to dine upon – broiled puppies and kittens on the altar of O, if O so wishes. (Lawdy, I do love me pets, but if I cant do it, I am not worthy!) [Falls down on knees and prays for strength]

Speaking of small donors and frenzied followers -there’s a lot of whipping up for getting in line and shelling out the $$$. A lot of anger at Kos, too, for not keeping on message.

The ugliness Is about to start

30. NYCee - 8 July 2008

Oh, the list is so long. I cant remember all the rightwing sorts who like Obama. I forgot to mention Michelle Bernard. She is totally out of control. The flag pin, is like… so cool! (Another flip, the wearing of that pin) I would mention Sully, but first I have to sort out how much is just wet dreaming.

Funny how camp Obama rushed to create the lottery for – ugh, hate the name – Invesco, after it was reported how nice the big donors would be treated at the convention. Works to his benefit, of course. More little cha-chings in the hopes of invitations.

Also had to laugh at Obama saying yesterday that they chose the big space of Invesco so that a lot of “ordinary” folk could “get involved.” Involved? One big Obama Rave. Wake up with a hangover for all your trouble, and consider yourself lucky, is all the involvement that gets you. (How he says these things with a straight face!) There is nothing in it for ordinary folks – its all to beef up his rock star appeal, to show that EVERYone loves Obama, so you should too. And then there’s the high of the roar of a huge crowd, the bigger the better, shouting his name in praise. That is what the little people are for.

But then, on second thought… he sure do play a mean air guitar!

31. NYCee - 8 July 2008

#27 – forgive my ignorance… what’s the “dsm”?

32. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 July 2008
33. NYCee - 8 July 2008

NYTimes has a strong editorial on FISA bill (This time, the initials stand for: Fucking Insane Shit Again)

Compromising the Constitution

Whoops. No pass for Obama and his beloved “dont see no red, dont see no blue” compromise

Senator John McCain, the presumed Republican nominee for president, has supported the weakening of FISA. Senator Barack Obama vowed in January (when he was still fighting for the Democratic nomination) that he would filibuster against immunity. Now he says he will vote for an “imperfect” bill and fix it if he wins. Sound familiar?

34. JJB - 8 July 2008

Boy, this news sure is being softpedeled:

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has for the first time suggested establishing a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, a step that the Bush administration has long opposed.

Maliki raised the idea Monday during a visit to the United Arab Emirates, where he spoke with Arab ambassadors about a security pact being negotiated to determine the future U.S. military role in Iraq.

“The current trend is to reach an agreement on a memorandum of understanding either for the departure of the forces or a memorandum of understanding to put a timetable on their withdrawal,” Maliki said, according to a statement released by his office. “In all cases, the basis for any agreement will be respect for the full sovereignty of Iraq.”

The comments reflect the political dilemma confronting Maliki and other members of his Shiite-led government. Their primary rival in upcoming provincial elections, Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, is a leading critic of the American presence who has long called for a timetable, a position that is widely popular among Iraq’s majority Shiites.

The talks on the security pact have also raised concerns across the Iraqi political spectrum — and the broader Arab world — about preserving Iraq’s sovereignty and preventing a long-term American presence. Framing the agreement as a memorandum of understanding, possibly including a timetable, may make it more politically palatable, analysts said.

At least at MSM websites, there’s nothing about this on the NY Times main page, or several other major newspapers, or MSNBC. I finally found something at the WaPo, and there it’s buried way down in the “More Nation/World Headlines” index. Ironically, the paper today has an editorial praising Obama for taking “a small but important step toward adjusting his outdated position on Iraq to the military and strategic realities of the war he may inherit,” i.e., backing away from his previous stand of removing all US forces within 16 months. Since that 16-month would finish shortly after we’d been in Iraq for 7 years, that hardly seems as precipitous as the WaPo would have it, but if they were honest, they’d have to admit they want to see US troops there for many decades.

35. NYCee - 8 July 2008

#2 – Mcat

That was a quandry for the man in the middle. I had to laugh too… In his left ear, we’re yelling about his Scalia/Thomas hand holding re denying the mental health exception, while in the other ear he’s getting blasted by the Christian Right for teachin’ baby killin.

It’s hard being Mr Purple sometimes.

36. NYCee - 8 July 2008

Thanks for the Amy Goodman heads up, btw. Great interview with the whistleblower re FISA. Lots of good it does you to be principled, with this sick Congress, eh? Remember all that investigating the Dems were gonna do? Too damned complicit. The impeachment refusal is simply aiding and abetting criminals. Shameful, these corrupt Dems.But just wait – when Barack gets in, he will surely piss off all his GOP friends and urge that guy to testify. He will take off like a ball of fire to undo the damage … he is voting for today.

(PS – FISA bill pushback editorials and piece of that interview might be good on the head post today … if you are so inclined, naturally!)

37. JJB - 8 July 2008

Well, according to BushCo., there’s no difference between the WH and the Iraqi “government” w/r/t a US troop withdrawal timetable, it’s all the fault of some translators. Or transcribers. Or something.

Anyway, al-Malicki’s office has confirmed that he was indeed suggesting a withdrawal timetable.

38. NYCO - 8 July 2008

If it turns out that Obama eats broiled puppies and kittens for breakfast every morning, then we send him puppies and kittens.

What makes me ill is knowing that these same Obamagogues will be the first to turn on him after he’s elected, and then they’re going to set up a new racket – the Revolution. And they will find more sheep to recruit.

Well, I hope they give poor Chris Bowers a job anyway!

39. marisacat - 8 July 2008

oh I am REALLY laughing:

Time flies and the Iowa caucuses seem a very long time ago.

Bob Herbert says Ob is “lurching to the right”. LOL.

BH has not been as bad as some Ob supporters, but ALL of the editorial page supporters, mostly men (what a shock), both black and white, for Ob have been ridiculous. Sometimes misrepresenting facts for Ob and sometimes simply lying about the facts.

And they all fucking LECTURED and shook that big “I’m with the big guy” finger.

Good LUCK!

40. marisacat - 8 July 2008

Bob Casey on how we must recommit to Afghanistan. All that waste of anti terror warmaking. BTW, just last night, reading somewehre, I saw a headline using the too cute, AfPak. Yup… readying the battlefield of choice for the next few years.

[F]irst, any strategy for turning the tide in Afghanistan must account for what is happening across the border in Pakistan. The region straddling the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan is akin to the Wild West, where al-Qaeda, Taliban and other extremist groups have been able to operate with impunity for too long.

All too often, we have witnessed fighters crossing the border from Pakistan, engaging U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, and then returning to safety in Pakistan. As Levin and I made clear to the Pakistani leaders, Pakistan can no longer permit its territory to be used for attacks on a neighboring state./snip/

41. JJB - 8 July 2008

Cue the Santayana quote:

The region straddling the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan is akin to the Wild West, where al-Qaeda, Taliban and other extremist groups have been able to operate with impunity for too long.

All too often, we have witnessed fighters crossing the border from Pakistan, engaging U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan, and then returning to safety in Pakistan. As Levin and I made clear to the Pakistani leaders, Pakistan can no longer permit its territory to be used for attacks on a neighboring state.

And who’s responsible for that state of affairs? We turned that area of the world into a huge weapons bazaar cum staging area for guerrilla attacks against the Soviets all thoughout the 1980s. It should also not be forgotten that the areas Casey is talking about were historically part of what was called Afghanistan until the Brits drew the Durand Line through it in order to give themsevles a buffer zone to protect their Indian colony in case the Russians managed to seize the rest of Afghanistan. That’s the only reason those territories are part of Pakistan in the first place, and whatever faction has ruled Pakistan has never exerted anything more than nominal control over them.

42. marisacat - 8 July 2008

… and of course we blame the Iraqis for present day Iraq. (And no it does not matter how corrupt the Iraqi government is, we are the occupier)

We are so far gone.

43. JJB - 8 July 2008

Addendum

The city of Peshawar, one of the largest in Pakistan, and a part of that country only because of the Durand Line, is under seige by the Taliban:

The situation changed overnight in Peshawar. The villas in the posh suburb of Hayatabad, hidden behind acacias, palms and oleander bushes, are now directly on the front line. The Pakistani security forces have declared war on the Muslim fundamentalists who are said to have taken up positions in the immediate vicinity.

Eight armored vehicles belonging to the Pakistani Frontier Corps stand ready to move out in the courtyard of Peshawar’s Beaconhouse School. Riflemen are positioned behind sandbagged emplacements at strategically important intersections. Pakistani anti-terror units and paramilitary forces in black uniforms are on patrol in the area, their submachine guns at the ready.

But where is the enemy? Outside the city, in the direction of the Khyber Pass, the sound of exploding heavy artillery rounds can be heard every few seconds.. . . With property prices currently at around $315 per square meter in the suddenly embattled development, a secure environment has to be part of the deal. Several years ago, a security wall was built around the settlement — a three-meter-high concrete wall capped off with barbed wire. It was originally intended to protect the Hayatabad’s well-off inhabitants from undesired contact with their neighbors — people from the tribal areas of the Northwest Frontier Province whose mud houses can be seen from here.. . . Now, in addition to the wall, three Pashtuns from the paramilitary Frontier Corps stand guard on the demarcation line with Chinese-made grenade launchers shouldered and ready to fire. But like the concrete wall and the barbed wire, they won’t be able to do much to stem the tide of onrushing Taliban forces. The fighters from the tribal areas have no need to climb over the wall. They simply drive their SUVs and pickups in on the main road — direct from the empire of the Taliban.

[snip]

[T]he Pakistani government didn’t get around to ordering troops into Peshawar to counteract the threat until the very end of June. By then, the rich suburb of Hayatabad had long since become a testing ground for the Islamists’ advance. Last November a suicide bomber blew himself up outside the home of former Political Affairs Minister Amir Muqam after being stopped at the gate by security personnel. Four people were killed in the attack — and since then the settlement has been on the alert.

Now, though, the bearded Taliban come into town in broad daylight, crowded together in the beds of their pickup trucks. After repeated hit-and-run raids, including the abduction of half a dozen prostitutes, this rich section of town has grabbed headlines in the press as a “kidnappers’ paradise.”

So attacks are being mounted both ways across this border that isn’t really a proper border in the first place. Discussing this situation as if these were centralized, sovereign nation states is ridiculous. That “border” is a meaningless to these Taliban fighters as the US-Canadian border was to Sitting Bull.

On a not entirely unrelated note, there’s an excellent piece at Counterpunch today on how our Ethiopian proxies have made a bad situation in Somalia far, far worse.

44. marisacat - 8 July 2008

Smack! The fault is with you, the voter. Of course.

(POWDER SPRINGS, Ga.) — Asked by a voter about accusations of flip-flopping, Democrat Barack Obama dismissed the notion Tuesday that he has been shifting stances on Iraq, guns and the death penalty to break with his party’s liberal wing and court a wider swath of voters.

“The people who say this haven’t apparently been listening to me,” the likely Democratic presidential nominee said in response to a question at a town-hall style event.

Obama blamed criticism from “my friends on the left” and “some of the media” in part on cynicism that ascribes political motives for every move candidates make. “You’re not going to agree with me on 100 percent of what I think, but don’t assume that if I don’t agree with you on something that it must be because I’m doing that politically,” he said. “I may just disagree with you.” /snip/

Or, we are too blue to get with his message. That’s it, I’m sure… LOL Soon he will call anyone who disagrees, HYSTERICAL.

And, of course, remember Jesus sent him to us:

But, he said: “I’m not just somebody who is talking about government as the solution to everything. I also believe in personal responsibility. I also believe in faith.”

45. marisacat - 8 July 2008

LOL Marie Cocco claims Obama lost her

During the recent Obama pander tour — the one in which he spent about a week trying to win over conservative religious voters — the presumptive Democratic nominee unnecessarily endorsed President Bush’s faith-based initiative, a sort of patronage program that rewards religious activists for their political support with public grants. Then in a St. Louis speech, Obama declared that “I let Jesus Christ into my life.” That’s fine, but we already have a president who believes this was a qualification for the Oval Office, and look where that’s gotten us.

Obama’s verbal meanderings on the issue of late-term abortion go further. He has muddied his position. Whether this is a mistake or deliberate triangulation, only Obama knows for sure.

Cocco reaffirms that Obama indeed doe4s support abrotion rights. I’d urge her to KEEP THINKING.

it is not so clear. He LUVS his new friends like Kmeic. And others.

and John Nichols says Obma should be standint with Feingold … on FISA and in fact on civil liberties..

“I am proud to stand with Senator Dodd, Senator Feingold and a grass-roots movement of Americans who are refusing to let President Bush put protections for special interests ahead of our security and our liberty,” declared Obama, who indicated that he would support efforts to filibuster any attack on the ability of citizens to use the courts to defend their privacy rights.

Obama’s stance helped him. It was cited in endorsements by prominent progressives and newspapers in Wisconsin and other later primary states. No doubt, it contributed to his landslide victory in the Badger State, where the Illinoisan won a vote from Feingold himself.

Good LUCK! If they don’t feel snookered —-by Obama and by THEMSELVES, they should…

46. NYCee - 8 July 2008

Bob Herbert – in his more bedazzled phase – got a bit fast and loose with the truth, and it really struck me as underhanded. It was this comment, in his Jan 12 column:

So there was the former president chastising the press for the way it was covering the Obama campaign and saying of Mr. Obama’s effort: “The whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I’ve ever seen.”

It was clear that wasnt the message. He can say that’s how he (mis)interprets it, but to state that the Clinton comment was contextually linked to “Mr Obama’s effort” was baldfaced balderdash.

Well, good on him for commenting on the Obama bads, but bad on him for giving Obama the sense (along with multiple media cohorts, during the primaries) that not only would they grease his path with excessive and unearned praise, but also that they would outright lie for him.

Hope the lurching doesnt give him whiplash.

47. marisacat - 8 July 2008

overall BH was only marginally better than the worst, being Al Hunt , Jonathan Alter, Eugene Robinson… Clarence Paige. Appalling. And Rose was nearly as bad, he also was relentlessly ill informed, mistaken or lying about details, as the primaries continued. Michelle Norris was also a mess. No words for HuffWuff.

There was also a woman radio host here, who claimed the reporter obama called “sweetie” did not, herself, care at all. Geesh to the contrary. She most certainly did, and mde it clear.

I almsot turned off a Charlie Rose rountable in April and was surprised that BH seemed to be reclaiming some brains. He managed a dispassionate assessment of Ob. Not that it meant much, frankly.

They were all DISGUSTING in using the charge of racism if you disagreed with, argued agaisnt, declined to support Obama. Much like the down market drips around BlahgSnotospheria.

And I hope ti smacks them hard, straight across the face. LOL Live with their Jesus. A good revenge.

48. wu ming - 8 July 2008

madman – it isn’t going to end. the permanent revolution campaign isn’t a means to an end, it’s the end itself. as long as that which sustains it is intact, it’ll keep going on. until someone or something changes the subject, or the facts on the ground, it’ll be there, sucking in resources and spewing out hegemony.

once upon a time, i thought the internet offered a tool for getting around it, subverting it, building some kind of counternarrative to it. i’m not sure if the experience of the past several years is proof that there is no such possibility, or whether it’s just a failed, coopted attempt (and maybe there’s still hope for another hack at it).

goes back to the old marx-kant argument, i guess. whether history is driven by material facts, or whether material facts are themselves shaped by ideas and will.

49. NYCee - 8 July 2008

Kudos to Marie Cocco (linked, #45) for speaking forcefully against Obama’s stupid and dangerous statement on late term abortion and mental health. However, I find she falls short in her examples of why late term abortion is linked to mental health. She only cites two physical instances for justification: one due to severe physical problems with the fetus, another due to persistent bleeding of the woman. I tire of severe physical problems (fetal anomalies, etc) being the only thing used to justify mental health exceptions.

How about having life circumstances (partner problems, loss of job, etc) change for the worse, and so, for the sake of your mental health, you can no longer carry the child to term, and that includes for adoption? If circumstances change for the worse in the first trimester, that is good enough reason to abort, but not in the second, even though these changed circumstances are often beyond your control?

How about girls, still at home, who have many obstacles that prolong a pregnancy they ultimately do not want. Those obstacles need not include “serious, clinical mental health diseases.” (Thank you, Dr Obama!) They often include the girl’s very normal immaturity, which delays her coming to terms with a very serious choice she ultimately needs to make – for the sake of preserving her mental health. There is the strong conditioning against abortion she may have undergone, which makes her fearful, shameful, in denial for a long time. There’s the logistical obstacle (including the abortion-prohibitive community/state where she resides), a lack of money, resources, family support, etc.

Dr Obama can diagnose it “blue” and it can turn his brown eyes red, for all I care (it seems to). The more this aspect of the reality is hidden in shame, the more the shame-blamers get to shade it “blue.”

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 July 2008

Jonathan Turley was great on Countdown about the FISA bill.

it’ll keep going on. until someone or something changes the subject, or the facts on the ground, it’ll be there, sucking in resources and spewing out hegemony.

The only thing that will derail it is a social collapse. There is a lot of outrage over so many things, and BOTH parties don’t give a shit what their constituents say to them. It’s going to take a collapse. Obama is basically waving his bare ass in the faces of his “movement”, and obviously isn’t the least bit concerned that he can’t count on it.

And he’s probably right.

As for the internet … I look at it now as a compost heap. That doesn’t necessarily have to be interpreted as a bad thing. Ideas and connections can ferment and grow there to perhaps feed some good things that MIGHT grow out of the collapse. I have no belief that will happen … but it could. I’m trying now to keep my head down, watch what happens, and try not to be sucked under as I was in ’01.

Ideas and will come first, IMHO, but if there is no outlet for them they may as well be proclaimed into a vacuum.

Gonna take a collapse.

51. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 July 2008

#44 – Did you catch IOZ on Obama’s “belief/faith/wamabamashoopaloopadoop”?

52. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 July 2008

For some reason a comment w/ NO links seems to have disappeared. Anyway, re: 48 – the only thing that will end the permanent BS campaign is the coming social breakdown. There was more, but I can’t remember it b/c I’m feeble in my old age.

All of this as I’m watching an elderly librarian get escorted out of a McCain event for holding a “McCain = Bush” sign … with a campaign worker claiming that she was being removed at the request of the Secret Service. All of which proves her point, of course.

53. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 July 2008

Seabiscuit: Impeachment Article to be Introduced Thursday

Washington, Jul 8 – Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) sent the following letter today to his colleagues in Congress:

July 8, 2008

WHEN THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF LIES TO GO TO WAR, HE MUST BE IMPEACHED

A SINGLE ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT WILL BE BROUGHT TO THE FLOOR ON THURSDAY; PLEASE CO-SPONSOR

Dear Colleague,

During the Fourth of July holiday a WWII veteran stood ram-rod straight in his crisp dress uniform and saluted our flag as it passed in a parade. His silent reverential stance was a powerful reminder of the love of country that is reflected in our veterans of all generations and all services.

It is also a powerful reminder of the responsibilities of the President of the Untied States in his capacity as Commander in Chief.

It is worse than heartbreaking that George W. Bush, as Commander in Chief, caused this country to go to war based on information which was false, and which he knew to be false. The consequences for our troops have been devastating. We have lost 4,116 of our beloved servicemen and women since the war began, with over 30,000 physically wounded and countless others emotionally wounded. The toll on the service persons and their families will be felt throughout their lives.

There can be no greater responsibility of a Commander in Chief than to command based on facts on the ground, and to command in fact and in truth. There can be no greater offense of a Commander in Chief than to misrepresent a cause of war and to send our brave men and women into harm’s way based on those misrepresentations.

There has been a breach of faith between the Commander in Chief and the troops. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or with Al Qaeda’s role in 9/11. Iraq had neither the intention nor the capability of attacking the United States. Iraq did not have weapons of Mass of Destruction. Yet George W. Bush took our troops to war under all of these false assumptions. Given the profound and irreversible consequences to our troops, if his decision was the result of a mistake, he must be impeached. Since his decision was based on lies, impeachment as a remedy falls short, but represents at least some effort on our part to demonstrate our concern about the sacrifices our troops have made.

This Thursday evening I will bring a privileged resolution to the House with a single Article of Impeachment of President Bush for taking our nation and our troops to war based on lies. We owe it to our troops who even at this hour stand as sentinels of America because they love this country and will give their lives for it. What are we willing to do to match their valor and the valor of their successors? Are we at least willing to defend the Constitution from the comfort and security of our Washington, DC offices?

Sincerely,
/s/
Dennis J. Kucinich
Member of Congress

54. marisacat - 8 July 2008

Madman, Sorry!

One of yours slipped to moderation and one slid to spam file. Both out now… 😉

55. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 July 2008

Perrin:

“Hope” is the key word here. One can talk of “change” until the ceiling collapses, but it’s “hope” that people cling to. On the surface, hoping that those in power will not harm you or make matters worse is bad enough. It lowers the concept of “citizenship” to a cheap prop gag, which alone suits our owners fine. But there’s a deeper application of “hope” in the political realm, at once fallacious and very real. It’s the brand of “hope” that’s encouraged by the most cynical pros in the business; indeed, they are perhaps “hope’s” biggest boosters. For so long as there is “hope,” those desperate for change or even a breather from the madness will stay within the system. “Hope” is the system’s juiciest promise and its biggest lie. It mollifies and pacifies, leaving just enough room for the voter to believe that his or her ratification on election day has some powerful, personal meaning. I’m sure you’ve seen the faces of those lined up at the local elementary school, waiting for their chance to change the world. There’s a tangible sense of expectation, of purpose, of “hope.” It’s an effective means of control, which is why the corporate media endlessly promotes it, echoed by those with a stake in each Party.

56. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 July 2008

Thanks!

57. moiv - 8 July 2008

49

If circumstances change for the worse in the first trimester, that is good enough reason to abort, but not in the second, even though these changed circumstances are often beyond your control?

Another facet of Dr. Obama’s Rx for abortion is his predilection for conflating “late-term” (AKA 3rd-trimester) abortion with procedures performed in the early-to-mid second trimester. The substitution of fuzzy terminology such as “late term” or “partial birth” (another example of the Obama lexicon) for precise, easily understood language is always a big clue that skullduggery is afoot.

The meanings of these highly subjective (and for many people, pejorative) terms lie in the ear of the beholder, and that’s exactly why he uses them.

58. marisacat - 8 July 2008

51

oh, that was good!

59. marisacat - 8 July 2008

57

High Holy Pastor-Doctor Obama, aka Christianist-in-Chief.

60. Madman in the Marketplace - 8 July 2008
61. wu ming - 8 July 2008

damn, it’s hot. the smoke was a bit less odious today, but it’s looking to go over 110 the next couple days, with lows in the 70s. i can take the heat, but when it’s 90+ degrees at 10 or 11 at night, it just kills me.

i can’t imagine fighting fires in full gear in that heat. redding’s going to be over 115. ugh.

62. moiv - 8 July 2008

I’m listening to KGO and it’s almost unbelievable that northern CA could be having temps this high. Older people who are ill, shut-ins, are going to be dying. Don’t suppose Arnold will be sending state employees around with palm fans and lemonade.

63. marisacat - 8 July 2008

wu ming

we are heading into a heat wave… sounds like thru Sunday. I am guessing we hit 100 or near it. Again.

Even with the air clearer, I have round the clock headaches. And despite everything, I rarely get headaches. ugh.

64. marisacat - 8 July 2008

moiv…

yeah I jsut hard Christine Craft say our hot tubs are now cool. She’s right.

what cars come wihtout air conditioning? 40 years ago our little VW bugs that my father bought all had ac. Rudimentary, but it blew cool air… ???

My tip I keep bottles of spray toilette water and Evian water in the fridge. Also chilled bottle of orange flower water.

we are swltering

65. marisacat - 8 July 2008

I am unsure what the state is doing, all i hear of is “cooling centers”… usually we see film of state county and other outreach going around with fans for distribution. Dropping off cases of water… Not seeing that this time.

66. wu ming - 8 July 2008

my wife’s car from WA didn’t have AC, and we made it through summer or 2 before she broke down and had one installed. i can take temps to about 105, but after that i just wilt. 110 is unpleasant.

I was brainstorming ways to keep cool for cheap here. Not much help for people doing manual labor in that heat. Personally, I’d treat it like a reverse snow day and just send everyone to the pool. No sense working in that heat.

67. marisacat - 8 July 2008

[B]y the time I had the appointment with the fifth obstetrician, my body was retaining far more amniotic fluid than the pregnancy required, an uncomfortable condition known as polyhydramnios. The doctor told me that because of the excess fluid it was more likely that the pregnancy would not come to term before the child died. If the child died, and my body didn’t begin a spontaneous abortion, there were risks of infection.

Although we had made the decision to terminate the pregnancy, we first had to deal with state law requirements in relation to late term abortions. When our waiver was denied, our doctor referred us to another physician in a nearby state. An ultrasound the morning of the two-day procedure showed that our child had already died. Further tests concluded that I had already developed an infection.

Obama’s policy clarification states that he would require a “strict” health exception. It’s doubtful that the possibility of early fetal demise resulting in an infection would fit the requirements. Most likely, under his policy, I would not have had an option to terminate. I would have continued the pregnancy and, given the known outcome, would have received minimal prenatal care. As a result, instead of the fetal demise going undetected for an estimated two days, it could have gone undetected until I began to experience the full-blown affects of infection. /snip/

Link

hmmm mmm. BTW, I was reminded today that Ken Starr heads up the legal dept at Pepperdine, where Kmeic is.

68. lucid - 8 July 2008

In case it’s interesting, something I wrote tonight…

The semblance
Mirrors
A sleight of hand
From image to truth.

Reverence
Shadows
Tattered papers
Of the fallow few.

A day to behold
When shallow thinkers
Are held to view
A world
From the eyes of youth.

Should this be a rant
Or séance
Freebirth,
A public army
of breastfeeding mothers?

Should this be Julia Butterfly Hill
Awaiting the sawtooth
That razors her to her death?

Should this be an army of Iraqi children
Carrying their limbs,
Blown off, or unborn,
Asking why we revere the fallow few?

The fallow,
Desiccated tongues,
Dry from lip-balming anticipation of violence,
Think, ‘It’s worth it’.

But mirrors
Hold souls
Chastening truth
To mark travesty.

69. moiv - 8 July 2008

Yes, Kmiec is a Starr pupil, so to speak. What an incestuous mess it all is.

70. lucid - 9 July 2008

I have round the clock headaches. And despite everything, I rarely get headaches. ugh.

agua is life, vita is agua… drink lots of water… lots and lots of water.

71. marisacat - 9 July 2008

Drumbeat:

Iran Test-Fires Missiles, Reports Say

By ALAN COWELL
Published: July 10, 2008

PARIS — One day after threatening to strike Tel Aviv and United States interests if attacked, Iran’s Revolutionary Guards were reported on Wednesday to have test-fired nine missiles, including one which Tehran claims has the range to reach Israel.

72. marisacat - 9 July 2008

BBC also has a report and a vid of the missile… going up.

73. NYCO - 9 July 2008
74. JJB - 9 July 2008

MCat,

The Today Show was pretty much going crazy over the Iranian missile tests, headlining it as “Breaking News!” and airing live, stand-up reports from 2 or 3 correspondents on the gound in Iran (IIRC). They emphasized that the missiles could hit not only Israel, but also Cairo and Karachi, trying to make this sound like a threat to a substantial portion of the world. Never mind that Iran has not initiated war with another country in hundreds of years, and that the ayatollahs have a 30-year history of acting indirectly when they do, i.e., if they wanted to attack Israel, they’d probably arrange something with Hizbollah. In fact (speaking of acting indirectly), firing these missiles sent the price of oil higher, which means more revenue for them, and more problems for the American economy.

75. marisacat - 9 July 2008

GE is for WAR!

(thanks for that JJB, I had ABC on at 7 am)

76. marisacat - 9 July 2008

fwiw (and not sure it is worth anything) Ambinder sees fit to push back against the Bob Herbert column of yesterday…

Ambinder seems to me a Dem party mouthpiece (often so helpful wtih cringe inducing psychological analysis of what Ob is doing) and I have zero idea th ereach of BH.

77. JJB - 9 July 2008

MCat,

The NY Times initially was not playing this up, but it’s now the top item on their FP:

One day after threatening to strike Tel Aviv and United States interests if attacked, Iran’s Revolutionary Guards were reported on Wednesday to have test-fired nine missiles, including one which the government in Tehran says has the range to reach Israel.

State-run media said the missiles were long- and medium-range weapons, among them a new version of the Shahab-3, which Tehran maintains is able to hit targets 1,250 miles away from its firing position. Parts of western Iran are within 650 miles of Tel Aviv.

The reported tests coincide with increasingly tense negotiations over Tehran’s nuclear program, which Iran says is for civilian purposes but which many Western governments suspect is aimed at building nuclear weapons. At the same time, United States and British warships have been conducting naval maneuvers in the Persian Gulf — apparently within range of the launching site of the missiles tested on Wednesday. Israel insisted it did not want war with Iran.

“Israel has no desire for conflict or hostilities with Iran,” Mark Regev, a spokesman for Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, said. “But the Iranian nuclear program and the Iranian ballistic missile program must be of grave concern to the entire international community.”

The missile tests drew a sharp response from the United States. Gordon D. Johndroe, the deputy White House press secretary, said in a statement at the Group of 8 meeting in Japan that Iran’s development of ballistic missiles was a violation of United Nations Security Council resolutions.

“The Iranian regime only furthers the isolation of the Iranian people from the international community when it engages in this sort of activity,” Mr. Johndroe said.

He urged Iran to “refrain from further missile tests if they truly seek to gain the trust of the world. The Iranians should stop the development of ballistic missiles which could be used as a delivery vehicle for a potential nuclear weapon immediately.”

[snip]

Iran displayed its military capability just a day after the United States and the Czech Republic signed an accord to allow the Pentagon to deploy part of its contentious antiballistic missile shield, which Washington maintains is designed to protect in part against Iranian missiles.

In the United States, both presidential contenders took the missile tests as an opportunity to demand measures to restrain Iran.

The Republican candidate, John McCain, said the tests “demonstrate the need for effective missile defense now and in future, and this includes missile defense in Europe as is planned with the Czech Republic and Poland,” according to Reuters. His Democrat challenger, Barack Obama, said on NBC’s “Today” show that the tests showed a need for stronger restraints and incentives to head off “rising tensions that could lead into real problems,” The Associated Press said.

Iran’s Arabic-language Al-Alam television . . . said the missiles, fired from an undisclosed location in the Iranian desert, included a “Shahab-3 with a conventional warhead weighing one ton and a 2,000 kilometer range,” or about 1,250 miles. Cairo, Athens, Istanbul, New Delhi and the whole of the Arabian peninsula are within 1,250 miles of Iranian territory. Iran was first known to have fired a Shahab-3 in November, 2006.

Or, in less Timesian terms, “BE AFRAID, BOOGEY-BOOGEY-BOOBEY, BE AFRAID EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

78. marisacat - 9 July 2008

JJB

thanks for that.. when I went to see what they had on the FP about FISA I noticed they moved it up to the top of the column. Earlier It had been third, and before that (during the night sometime) it was in the little space where they just list today’s headlines, down a bit from the Online Picture.

Everybody COWER. Duck and Cover!

79. wilfred - 9 July 2008

The following voted YEA to amend, and remove telecoms immunity:
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Casey (D-PA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

80. JJB - 9 July 2008

MCat,

They’ve now dropped it to No. 2, reduced the font size of the headline, and reworded it to sound less inflammatory, i.e., now saying “drawing rebuke” instead of “strong [or sharp] rebuke.” The story still reads the same though.

81. JJB - 9 July 2008

Ethel Rosenberg’s sister-in-law, Ruth Greenglass, is dead. She actually died 3 months ago, but her death has only just been acknowledged as a result of the release of some testimony related to the case. She had been living for many years with her husband, David Greenglass, under an assumed name somewhere in the vicinity of New York City.

Ruth was responsible for Ethel’s conviction (without her they had no case against Ethel), and her testimony was almost certainly a lie. She testified that Ethel had been an active participant in the spy ring her husband and brother had been involved with, and had typed up notes about atomic bomb research that David G. had dictated. In fact, it’s much more likely that Ruth was the typist (as her husband admitted about 10 years ago). By cooperating as she did, she avoided indictment, and her husband served 10 years. He survives her, living a life he bought by telling a lie that killed his sister.

82. marisacat - 9 July 2008

new post…………….

LINK

………… 8) ………….

83. rif - 9 July 2008

Sorry ’bout butting in but I just read @ Shakesville that Ventura threw his hat in the ring for the Senate. I think I’ll stock up on popcorn.

84. JJB - 9 July 2008

Amazingly well-balanced (and to my mind accurate) story about the Iranian missile test in the NY Daily News, of all places. This is the lede:

Iran test-fired nine long- and medium-range missiles Wednesday during war games that officials said aimed to show the country can retaliate against any U.S. and Israeli attack, state television reported.

Gen. Hossein Salami, the air force commander of Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guards, said the exercise would “demonstrate our resolve and might against enemies who in recent weeks have threatened Iran with harsh language,” the TV report said.

The idea that maybe the Iranians are responding to threats from us and the Israelis is something all other media reports I’ve seen have refused to acknowledge.

Note that the administration’s BS responses are buried at the bottom of the story.

The cretinous jingoists who wrote for and edited this paper when I was a kid are doubtless turning over in their graves if they’re dead, and have probably just shuffled off the mortal coil if they weren’t.

85. marisacat - 9 July 2008

rif…

no problem… I am not a fan of Franken, but he blew his run, every time I dropped in to read about that race he was in a soft sink. Coleman so deserves to fall.

Not a Ventura fan, necessarily, but I hope he does make a run.

86. rif - 9 July 2008

So far I’ve agreed with about half of what Ventura says. He’s a little too much white boy libertarian for my taste, but he’s sure not afraid to open his mouth. It should be entertaining.

I posted ’cause rarely do I know anything before you. 🙂

87. NYCee - 9 July 2008

I actually did hear something about that on MSN today, JJB. It was studded in between the other tawk – that Israel was doing hinky flights in prep to bomb Iran, I think, and yes, the rhetoric and pulling on the US to back them in their bombing. They go first, we go next… and stay and stay and stay. A few tawkers were saying this was typical, the missile testing, no biggie – the Iranians have to show they will not be attacked without consequences.

Marisa – I didnt see Today show but it strikes me that MSNBC (connected) may have pushed this story extra hard to give cover to Obama’s disgusting broken promise on FISA, his vote. The votes in general. Pay no mind to this major vote today. Breaking: Iran Iran Iran!!!
Maybe not, but it occurs to me…

A lot of their pundits and guests are big Obama fans. Seems like his campaign sometimes. The whole network.


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