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dog days 10 July 2008

Posted by marisacat in 2008 Election, DC Politics, Inconvenient Voice of the Voter, Lie Down Fall Down Dems.

dog dog dog

The talking heads, the screamers, the gibberish, the leaders who are not leaders – wore her out… she and her gams have flaked out!

The Hill has an interesting report on Dems’ (that would be the vaunted 110th, if you liked the 110th, etc.) election year doings. See that bath water going by? Laugh now and get out of the way!, because here comes the BABY…. [snicker]

Dems follow Obama down centrist path

By Alexander Bolton
Posted: 07/09/08 07:53 PM [ET]

House and Senate Democrats are taking a centrist path this election-year summer, following the lead of Barack Obama, who has increased his coordination with congressional leaders.

Democrats have decided to focus on economic and security issues designed to appeal to a wide range of voters, especially independents who are concerned about soaring gas prices and the slumping stock and housing markets.

The centrist strategy reflects the thinking of Obama, the Illinois senator who has tacked toward the middle of the political spectrum since clinching the Democratic nomination in early June.

The most prominent example is an overhaul of the nation’s intelligence surveillance laws that Senate Democrats passed Wednesday with Obama’s support. Many liberals staunchly oppose the bill, which would grant legal immunity to telecommunications companies that shared customers’ private data with intelligence authorities.

This is an excellent amusement, so let’s have more from The HIll:

As they begin to march in lockstep with Obama, Democrats have eschewed tactics designed to rev up their political base for the fall election. Specifically, they have jettisoned the strategy favored by Republicans in recent election years of scheduling highly political votes during the summer in order to energize base voters.

In the summer before the 2006 elections, the Republican majority voted on a long-shot proposal to amend the U.S. Constitution to prohibit flag burning. They also voted on legislation to ban “fetal farming” and to protect gun owners during national emergencies, as well as proposals to stem the flow of immigration from Mexico — all initiatives popular with their conservative base.

“Our base is just fine,” said Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), who said Democrats are concentrating instead on bills with broad appeal among Democrats, independents and centrist Republicans.

That old time Democratic religion, don’t upset Papa Republican — or the Daley bros, is there a difference?… [snicker snicker].

Oh tell me these really are their plans… If they are, I will laugh as hard as I did over moiv comments and links on the HIgh Holy Catholic Holy Wafer Blasphemous Kidnapping.

The staffer said Democratic leaders have little choice because Obama has adopted a centrist course in recent weeks.

In addition to throwing his support behind the compromise intelligence bill, Obama has spoken out on the importance of personal responsibility and family values and emphasized his patriotism, all themes that Republicans tend to sound during election years. Obama has also called for federal assistance to faith-based social programs and recalibrated his rhetoric on the Iraq war.

Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) said the congressional agenda reflects Obama’s pragmatic approach. [Why couldn’t Obama buds deliver ND a sweep of primaries for him, there at the end? hmmm? — Mcat]

“These are all addressing practical problems, which is very much his style,” said Conrad, citing a bill designed to reduce home foreclosures, the so-called Medicare payment fix, extended tax incentives for energy production and the intelligence overhaul.

Durbin said that Senate leaders are talking to Obama about his policy priorities, specifically about his energy policy proposals.

Durbin added that Democratic leaders and Obama are beginning to feel that they “can speak with one voice as a party about our agenda for November.”

Translation: we are mush, what’s to dislike? Vote for us!, we. aren’t. even. poodles. any. more…

The Economist weighs in…. They say, go right young black man, go right! I am sure he will…

I’ll say again of Invesco Field… he should wear a sports jersey that reads, “MLK+45=Dreams for Sale”.




1. wu ming - 10 July 2008

obama won north dakota. it was south dakota that didn’t break his way as expected. he’s currently polling even with mccain in ND, but not in SD, for whatever reason. no idea what distinguishes the two state electorates.

2. wu ming - 10 July 2008

oh, and the air is positively apocalyptic today. looks like mordor.

3. marisacat - 10 July 2008

You know, I can keep N and S Carolina straight but not the Dakotas.

I had it in my brain that if Daschle cannot win SD/one of the Dakotas for Ob, then what can he do. I say they should congeal. have more EV for the favored or unfavored son.


4. marisacat - 10 July 2008


there are more fires. I woke around 11:30 am in terrible shape….. and I can tell as Mendocino explodes and Butte refires… that Big Sur will [mostly] be left to burn. Tassajara Zen Center evacuated last night. It is iwthin a mile.

5. marisacat - 10 July 2008

NYCO from the previous thread:

Obama just has never seemed to me to have a good temperament for being president. He may be “progressive” or some wispy approximation thereof, but his tone is often pure imperial Dubya when it comes to explaining his statements or deigning to acknowledge criticism. I can’t believe people aren’t noticing this. I almost think ALL politicians have caught this bug now.

Agree on the “imperialism”, vis a vis Obama,… part of the problem, I think, is that it is very widespread. Use of imperial language. I hung in thru a series of panels that The News Hour ran in the primaries… panels of 12, 5 regional, then a selection of 12 from the orgiinal 5 panels was brought to DC for a final set of conversations. And I was struck over and over by the imperial language. I would say only 1 really oppsoed war, 3 could be said to be agaisnt Iraq War and the remaining 9 were troubled but largely indifferent, in the final analysis.

Fully 9 of them, IMO, would be on board for another invasion or extended air war, Africa, Iran, elsewhere, depending on how you ran the propaganda.

6. marisacat - 10 July 2008

math is off. oh well……………………..

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 July 2008

I never understood why Jesus had to taste like styrofoam.

Because he’s an artificial thing created by man?

8. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 July 2008

So, when in October will Obama suddenly fire his campaign manager and start a frantic fake-leftish populist campaign, a la Gore in 2000?

I’m predicting about October 19th when the poll numbers look really bad and Nader, Barr & McKinney are all doing better than they are “supposed” to.

“Our base is just fine,” said Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), who said Democrats are concentrating instead on bills with broad appeal among Democrats, independents and centrist Republicans.

Yup, good luck with that Dick.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 July 2008

Bob Geldof in the Telegraph:

Let us be grand for once, for we talk of great subjects. Ask “what is the point of Britain?” if we so casually give up the liberty which defines this country, its greatest gift to the world.

Still today, 800 years later, Magna Carta resonates: “To no man will we deny, To no man will we delay, Justice and Right.” Is that not grand, worthy of your vote? Is habeas corpus to be traduced in one sad moment of political expediency? Do we not clearly deny and delay Justice and Right when we imprison a person for 42 days without charge?

What existential threat do we face greater than those of the past 800 years? What great terror exists today that not civil war, not world war, nor recent other terrorisms could make our forefathers change the fundamental basis of this state? What is so dangerous that our oldest statutes could be upended for such a ha’p’orth of momentary panic?

What terrorises the terrorists is our civilisation. What those unthinking fools of fundamentalism fear most are the freedoms our representatives now strip away. This “war on terror” is against Islamist forces that reject the Enlightenment.

How can we ever succeed, if we side with our opponents in rejecting those ideals? Every moment we are spied on by the invisible watchers, every time we are monitored, every time we are logged on databanks, they win. And every time we accept it, we lose.

Why should I carry an ID card? I own my identity – nobody else. The war on terror is no answer. ID cards did not stop the bombers in Germany or Spain. Nor does it diminish crime, nor illegal immigration. And if for some mad authoritarian reason they are introduced, stand by for a brisk trade in false British ID cards.

It is comically Orwellian to trot out that absurd authoritarian excuse: “Only the guilty need be afraid.” How sickening to hear in England that repulsive expression so beloved of the Stasi-state, which is so demonstrably false.

Shall we say it to the innocent men of Forest Gate, shot, banged up and subsequently released without charge? Shall we say it to the demonstrators going about their democratic business who are roughed up, abused and detained?

Then there are the everyday liberties that affect us all. The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act – the law that empowers the state to conduct surveillance and get hold of your phone records, emails and website usage – now extends to 786 councils and public bodies.

In 2006 they made 1,000 applications, each day, to use these powers! They say: “Only the guilty need be afraid.” Not in Brave New Britain. It is only the innocent that need be afraid. For the state now already assumes our guilt. We have all become suspects – guilty till proved innocent.

It is our complacency that lets them get away with it – our apathy we must fear. Are we so threatened that we must uniquely introduce the most illiberal precautions? The United States feels itself at war, but has an absolute limit of two days of pre-charge detention.

In Ireland, at the height of the IRA terror campaign, the limit was seven days. Australia, 60 miles from the most populous Muslim nation and the victim of its own bomb horrors, only has 12 days. Spain, France, Germany, Russia – all victims of terror, yet none detain longer than seven days.

What is wrong with us? Have we lost our confidence, our stoicism, our bravery and dignity – our sang froid? Not if the great dignity of the victims’ families following the 7/7 bombings in London, is anything to go by. Or the magnificent response of the capital with that very British attribute of “getting on with it”.

Is Parliament afraid? Apparently not. MI5? They say not. So why imprison people on mere suspicion for 42 days? How very unBritish.

10. marisacat - 10 July 2008

it’s like a big movie opening, that fizzles. Democrats, too many of them, are sure they will win. Open discussions of landslide.


11. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 July 2008

Seabiscuit tries again (I hope that link works … it should pop open a video).

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 July 2008

If it doesn’t it, the link is up at c-span.org on the front page, for now anyway.

13. ms_xeno - 10 July 2008

Rosa Clemente to be McKinney’s running mate.

Well, why not ? Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Pick a big name and everyone whines about “egos.” Pick a “nobody” and everyone whines because… they don’t like nobodies. [snerk]

I still think Obama should tap Holy Joe again. Rub their noses in it, Golden Man. They seem to get off on that endlessly. :p

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 July 2008

Veterans for Peace in a dramatic confrontation with Chairman John Conyers over his indecision on impeachment.

Really good statement in this by Kokesh from VfP.

Conyers is so damned whiney and put out by the whole thing. Pathetic, as he’s been for a while.

15. ms_xeno - 10 July 2008

Also re: McKinney, a barrel of laughs at IPR, on a number of levels.

A step up from some of the peanut galleries you can find elsewhere, for what it’s worth.

Don’t mind me. I’m kind of starved for laughs this week. :/

16. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 July 2008

oh, the anti-semitism thing … that didn’t take long. Where were the jokes about her hair?

17. ms_xeno - 10 July 2008

Give it another hour, Madman. :/

18. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 July 2008

Shocking Police Behavior

Think about it. A 50 year old man sees a Police officer dragging a young kid by the hair, the kid is helpless, the cop slams his head into the concrete and shocks him at least twice with a portable electrocution gun, and the young man is completely out of it, limp, twitching, spazzing out, face on the concrete.

And so the 50 year old man says “Why are you hurting him”? and for his concern he gets thrown to the ground by a cop.

What is this? Is this to Protect and Serve? Is this Public Service? Is this Justice?

If so, it is a strange and ugly breed, and I fear it cares not for whom it sentences. We must stop its spread now.

We have already seen that the People will accept torture perpetrated on other peoples in other lands, or even on US Citizens in other lands. If we keep accepting it here on our own streets, we will also soon accept that it is just better not to speak up at all.

That might be understandable as a protective instinct. But it is not the United States of America, and it is not Freedom.

19. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 July 2008

oops, messed up the blockquote. Sorry.

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 July 2008
21. marisacat - 10 July 2008

Too too funny. Previously, everything was ”strategic” and “smart” or “brilliant”…, but for gay marriage, where Obama was “a coward”.

So, if Sully says Obama, and the camp and whoever agrees to interviews, is getting ”cocky”, does that now make it so?

Because this is not a new charge.


22. liberalcatnip - 10 July 2008

The Independent’s top story: Brown’s African misadventure

Gordon Brown is being accused of preparing for a military adventure in Africa after he pledged to provide backing to the Nigerian security forces. His announcement prompted the collapse of a ceasefire in the oil-rich Niger Delta and helped to drive up crude oil prices on world markets.

You know I have to say it: Heckuva job, Brownie!

23. marisacat - 10 July 2008

23 human rights activists from So Africa toured The Territories, WB, GAZA, the wall, etc., in Israel.

24. marisacat - 10 July 2008


Africom here we come!

25. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 July 2008

So, Conyers goes to HuffPo to bitch about Rove … some pretty disgusted pushback in the thread:


Perhaps you can issue a sternly worded letter or make a sternly worded statement to the press. I understand they’re all the rage this year with House and Senate Democrratic committee chairs. Then you can let Rove get away with flaunting the law once again. After all, we wouldn’t want to rock any boats, would we?

Posted 11:39 PM on 07/10/2008


Exactly right on RAM. How about stop complaining and telling us how angry you are Rep. Conyers and you actually do something about it. Send the Sgt at Arms and have Rove and Myers arrested. Start there and then move onto IMPEACHING Bush/Cheney for their crimes against this country. I am so sick and tired of the do nothing Democratic leadership. It is enough to make me ashamed of my party.

Posted 11:44 PM on 07/10/2008


Mr. Conyers
Perhaps you could explain why inherent contempt has not been used. you have the tools to force their hand but leave that tool in the box.
I agree with the othersl It certainly looks to us that some people ARE above the law.
It’s like George Carlin said; “The owners of this country are one big club…
And you ain’t in it.”

Posted 10:22 PM on 07/10/2008


.”..the full restoration of our Constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no one — not Karl Rove and not the president — is above the law.”

With all due respect sir, Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney, Mr. Rove and the entire Bushite Cabal are in fact above the law. Who is going to stop them ? “Impeachement off the Table” Pelosi ? The Democrats ?

We are all tired of the gutless coward Democrats that cave in and give into the most unpopular President in history and perhaps the most hated person on the planet.

Your words ring hollow sir. Rove will walk. Congress is nothing more than a Joke thanks to do nothing Democrats.

Posted 09:56 PM on 07/10/2008


they have given bush more than he ever dreamed of.They are a disgrace!Spineless democrats will not force anything.What was Clinton IMPEACHED for again?This president has shredded the constitution and they wring their hands!

Posted 10:46 PM on 07/10/2008


ooh, the big bad boogeyman Rove…isn’t the President. He didn’t take impeachment off the table. Bashing the Republicans has been your strategy since 06.

I’m sorry, Mr. Conyers, you’ve lost my trust, ever since the 06 election came and went and all we[‘ve gotten is more of the same: two faces, one unjust government.

ISo impeach already! My man, Kucinich, has laid out the case. Or is that the equivalent of pointing out the fraud at a wrestling match?

Stop collaborating, join the Resistance, end tyranny now! Impeach already, for the love of Liberty!

Posted 10:34 PM on 07/10/2008

26. liberalcatnip - 10 July 2008

24. Maybe next he’ll invade Zimbabwe. Oops. No oil there. What was I thinking?

27. marisacat - 10 July 2008

My refrain:

If you liked the 110th, you’ll love what’s coming.

I saw Reid get all weepy over “Fake Liberal Lion” Kennedy strugglign back to vote, with cancer.

That does sum it up.

28. Madman in the Marketplace - 10 July 2008

Couldn’t rouse himself to vote against FISA, though, just a politically easy bill to pay Dr’s medicare/aid bills what they were being paid before you caved earlier to the Republicans.

Pathetic, the lot of them.

29. marisacat - 10 July 2008

hmmm the reason we are suddenly getting Federal help, via Chertoff, for the fires… dox have been released that we are criticially understaffed, and have been. What a shock… will hunt up the report.

30. marisacat - 10 July 2008

[T]he number of concerns written into official reports signals how extreme the situation has become, some said.

“These professionals are not prone to excuse-making. They don’t want to be seen as crybabies,” said Fresno-based Retired Fire Captain Mike Morales, based in Fresno, who has been tracking the response on his blog firefighterblog.blogspot.com. “But there are too many fires and not enough resources. My concern is with the kids, the 19 and 20-year-olds, who have been out there for days.”

At the Western Institute for Study of the Environment, an Oregon-based collaboration of environmental scientists, director Mike Dubrasich questioned the early strategy. “They put too few personnel and equipment on the fire far too late,” he said. “It is almost as if the strategy has been to let it burn, other than where there are structures. But they are discovering that it’s kind of hard to stop a megafire when it’s blasting along.”

An estimated 84 wildfires in California are burning “unstaffed,” according to the national coordinating group, “and have the potential to burn through much of the summer and into the fall until rainfall increases.”

“Of course you have to prioritize lives and structures,” said Casey Judd, who represents government firefighters from five agencies through the Federal Wildland Fire Service Association. “But at the same time, at some point, you’ve to put out all the fires. And it would be easier if you stayed on top of them.

“There are fires that are allowed to burn because there are no resources available,” he said.

San Jose Mercury News

31. marisacat - 10 July 2008


You know why? I caught a report about a week a go that he is readying himself to be at the center of the coming battle for …………………. BZZT!


LOL And we still will not have it. Never will.

32. marisacat - 10 July 2008

oh and! The really big cuts to Medicaid (and it affected Medi-Cal as well) were several years ago. I happened to know as a friend of mine who was at least able to do the drill to get her mother re settled, spent days on the phone finding a new dr. Right down the Peninsula. Nowhere off the grid.

33. CSTAR - 10 July 2008

HEALTH CARE. And we still will not have it. Never will.

I’m a bit slow, sometimes. You know what? I think you’re right. Especially about the never will.

It’s just too much against dogma.

34. marisacat - 10 July 2008

Right, we will only have a constantly gutted Medicare, strapped resources for state health plans… and MedicAid which is and always will be WELFARE.

It needs to be a large umbrella single payer, with simple easy well regulated side bar extras. Similar to the countries that are running HC well.

I just read thru obama’s speech (as prepared, as CNN, at least, did not cover it) to women on economic issues, in Fairfax VA, today…. It is just an old time Dem slobber list of giveaways. That is what most all of his speeches to the hapless are… over and over again.

Giveaways that will never happen, and lies, imo.

35. liberalcatnip - 10 July 2008

Don’t know how I missed this when I read that Independent article:

Any action in Nigeria would further stretch British forces. Air Chief Marshal Sir Jock Stirrup, the Chief of Defence Staff, warned the Government last month:

I kid you not.

36. marisacat - 10 July 2008

Did his parents laugh when they named him?

I would guess so………………………

37. NYCee - 10 July 2008

Nice pushback to Conyers. He deserves it. I second those emotions.

Re Lord O, where the hell did he get that southern accent? The cadence seems contrived. It is hard to listen to – the chopped sentences, that clipped upswing of the voice, again and again, like clockwork. Clockwork Obama.

It bugs the hell out of me: As in, “John McCain has it wrong! / on the ehcahnamah!” (Economy)

38. marisacat - 10 July 2008

chopped and clipped…

The mock of Obama on SNL is cruel, but not inaccurate.

39. liberalcatnip - 11 July 2008

I have a little book on “How to Speak Southern” here somewhere. I guess I’ll have to whip it out so I (ah) can keep up.

40. liberalcatnip - 11 July 2008

36. Can you imagine?

What’s your name?

Jock Stirrup.

I’m sorry. Jock Strap? (snicker)

Stirrup, damnit, Stirrup!

And your middle name?

Halsley. [I made that up. Creative license, you know. -catnip]

Umm…did you say Ballsy?

(I see a Monty Python script just waiting to be written.)

41. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 July 2008

what we will get is some fake “universal” healthcare that lines the insurance companies even more, like the fucking prescription drug plan.

42. JJB - 11 July 2008

no. 9,

While Mr. Geldof’s stand for civil liberties is admirable, a little knowledge of the history of his native country (which he seems to have forgotten is Ireland, not the UK) will show that for hundreds of millions of people all around the world the last few centuries, “what is the point of Britain?” has nothing to do either with liberty or justice.

43. marisacat - 11 July 2008

Record High!

147 a barrel….

Bow down to your favored solution.

BTW, the T Boone Pickens commercial has started to run locally here.

44. marisacat - 11 July 2008

ObamaRama releases names of new bundlers.

Right off, I see Anna Wintour, Valerie Jarrett, Federico Pena – and the CT Lamonts..

45. marisacat - 11 July 2008

The Page has some of the nitty gritty from the WSJ article [blocked/sub] on June fundraising…

46. liberalcatnip - 11 July 2008

US ‘killed 47 Afghan civilians’

A US air strike in eastern Afghanistan on Sunday killed 47 civilians, 39 of them women and children, an Afghan government investigating team says.

Not to worry. Obamalama is promising a bigger, better, new and improved Afghanistan war if he’s elected. (cough cough)

47. liberalcatnip - 11 July 2008
48. marisacat - 11 July 2008

hmm Tapper on the June fundraiser underwhelm:

What Happened to Obama’s $100 Million June?

July 11, 2008 8:40 AM

Sen. Barack Obama’s fundraisers were predicting an unreal fundraising month for their candidate.

“One hundred million dollars this June — it’s definitely within reach,” Obama fundraiser Wade Randlett said last month to The Hill.

At the time the Obama campaign had not yet made its announcement it would not — despite a previous pledge to the contrary — make efforts to enter into the public financing system. But clearly it had been gearing up to do so. A decision rooted in a belief the campaign can raised significantly more than the approximately $85 million the federal system would have given it. ::snip::

Common enough error, his money people thought they had one of the classic “trees that grow forever”.

49. marisacat - 11 July 2008

waaaaaa waaaaaa

Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:


50. ms_xeno - 11 July 2008



Trying to switch insurers myself, at the moment. Though not for that particular reason. Just for all the other ones. >:

51. marisacat - 11 July 2008

Chris Hedges in the LAT on new FISA, he’s joined the ACLU suit

52. JJB - 11 July 2008

As of 12:58 PM EDT, the Dow is below 11,000 for the first time in a long time. Losses for the day stand at just over 240.

53. liberalcatnip - 11 July 2008

50. That really has to be the most absolutely clueless moment of this campaign. Typical politician though, as they all are. If they’re not justifying some violation of basic human/civil rights (a la Obama and FISA), they’re just shilling for whatever lobby kept them elected all of these years by voting blindly a la party/money line. Disgusting.

I think the so-called “left” is pretty much dead in America thanks to Obama and the so-called “progressives” who support him.

WTF does Obama need $100 million for anyway? I thought this was supposed to be as easy ride for the Dems considering all that the Repubs have done the past 8 years (with their stamp of approval, of course). That’s why centrism doesn’t work. The 2 candidates are barely indistinguishable. But I guess that’s what the Dems consider to be a winning strategy. (?!) Yeah. Good luck with that.

54. CSTAR - 11 July 2008

I saw (or at least my tai-tai saw and told me) the future of health care in the United States and it is contemporary China.

Pay before you get in and when the money runs out, it’s the streets buddy, buddesse or buddito.

The revolution will come, one day, but it won’t happen here first. And I will be in the “timeless place” when it does.

55. marisacat - 11 July 2008

Meet the Press: McCain adviser Fiorina, Sen. McCaskill, former McCain adviser Mike Murphy

This Week: Schwarzenegger

Face the Nation: Sens. Levin, Lugar, Israeli Ambassador to the U.S. Meridor

Fox News Sunday: T. Boone Pickens

Late Edition: Sens. Kyle, Dodd, Govs. Sanford, Napolitano, McCain econ. adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer, Obama econ. adviser Jason Furman, Iraqi National Security adviser al-Rubaie, State of Public Diplomacy Undersecretary Glassman

Fareed Zakaria GPS: Obama

56. wu ming - 11 July 2008

re. 30 –

the understaffed, underfunded, undermanned firefighting setup in state will become even more evident when socal starts to burn, later on this summer. right now, nearly all the fire is in nor cal, and next to noting in the northwest, so we’re getting help from all over. add in the santa anas, and it’ll be some pretty revealing triage decisions.

whose fires matter more? watch the Rs play region against region, as if underfunding has nothing to do with it.

a report a couple weeks ago (i don’t have the link) suggested that the feds intend to use this to privatize federal firefighting. another growth industry for the mercenaries, no doubt.

57. NYCO - 11 July 2008

I don’t get to read SMBIVA much, but this got me laughing my head off… so true.

First, and at the risk of indulging an easy cheap shot, the heuristics the right wingers do have are more than adequate for coping with the challenge of progressivism, which appears to have been cursed by an activist base consisting of hundreds of thousands of overeducated, over-informed, under-experienced and occasionally vicious Arnold Horshacks. Their equivalents on the right have strained their gloating muscles as the Humvee of movement conservatism deals with their pleas to be called on.

58. NYCee - 11 July 2008

Citing Iraq War, Renowned Attorney Vincent Bugliosi Seeks “The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder”

Thought I’d provide a more respectful interview of Vincent Bugliosi making the case that should be made –criminal prosecution of Bush – than the treatment he got on Morning Joe today.

His mistake was that A) he told the truth about our sitting president’s war crimes, which polite company (ie, the sack o shite corporate media) doesnt want to acknowledge, and B) that although his points on the issue of trying Bush for war crimes are spot on and clearly presented, his eccentric nature, more pronounced as he ages, allows the corporate war enablers to mock and marginalize him. (He kept calling Joe “Mike” — Barnacle — and kept talking after his bit was over – they let the camera pan over to him, sans sound, still holding up a paper and holding forth – much to their delight.)

59. marisacat - 11 July 2008

wu ming

very true… anyone who thinks it is bad now, should merely wait…………………….




I see in comments that owen paine penned this slang:

the dyed in the wool hi edified demlib-ling

demlib-ling. VERY good!

60. marisacat - 11 July 2008



I hung in thru two KGO radio interviews with Bugliosi, a few weeks ago now… in one he was invited for the hour, and, as he became agitated was allowed more than the hour. And the interviewer, one in particular, made things as amenable as possible.

OF COURSE, at the core I agree with him. But he has been effectively used, involuntarily, on his part, as disinfo. IMO.

It’s a real shame but the cards always showed BushCoCheneyCo were going to ride off into the sunset, unimpeded.

61. marisacat - 11 July 2008


well there was a telling article some months ago, various and sundry loons, allowed to be pundits, claimed that the cash haul by ObamaRama , in and of itself, meant that he was a MOVEMENT.

They were lucky to run against an overthehillandcrashedtotherocksbelow McCain… and even so he will get a surprising [ti the Democrats] amount of votes. IMO.

The whines had ObamaRama lost would have been unendurable. I am very intent he win. People should live with… etc.

62. NYCee - 11 July 2008

I have to laugh, the way the talking heads insist that Obama just has to tell his story, make himself familiar to that tough nugget of likely Dem voters, those who are still resisting his abundant charms.

Ugh. The more I see, the more disgusted I get.

Funny he isnt more ahead of McCain. I just dont see all the dopey BushFan voters as McCainiacs. McCain looks too old to jump out of the pickup and and chainsaw the brush. And back in 2004 there was that dopey mantra a lot of them fell into about not “switching horses” midstream of a war, even though they were starting to smell a bit of shit from the Offal Office. Well, that sentiment is a lot less prevalent these days. And yet, despite all the raging ObamaLuv we must suffer, there is McCain — a droopy, horrific campaigner without a dime’s worth of decent policies — just a few points within reach of Obama, in poll after poll. There is the Pew, I think, which puts him 8 points ahead, but most are slimmer.

McCain is so bad though, it seems like Obama will win.

63. NYCee - 11 July 2008

Do you mean Bugliosi is used to make it seem like his points are crackpotted, because he comes off a bit crackpottish?

64. marisacat - 11 July 2008

And when he wins we will STILL be forced to hear him teaching and preaching his life story, summoned to his patriarchal knee.

Son of an atheist who was a son of a muslim, former goat herder etc. KansasKenyaHawai’iSSChicago, found Jesus, lost a preacher — on and on it goes….

God knows it laps son of a mill worker. By miles. What a pity.

I’m starting to think he will pick Hagel. Some sort of vague, ‘I am really a Nebraskan, can’t you tell, didn’t you read my books’ sort of affinity. I think these are the most hilarious Veepessa runway shows ever, with Edwards actually thinking he could be it. These people have lost their minds

What goes up, must come down.

65. marisacat - 11 July 2008


more or less… he makes himself easy to dismiss.

He really was frantic on KGO and hard to follow, tho I hung in, and some of the call ins were interesting.

66. NYCee - 11 July 2008

It sounds to me like you could use a good dose of


Obama told me, many times over, “we will change the country and we will change the world!!!”

You callin him///a liyuh?

67. NYCee - 11 July 2008

Yeah, but idiosyncratic and frantic as he is, what he talks about actually contains the urgency of now, in a meaningful sense, unlike someone else who shall not be mentioned, who bandies that phrase about. (Hint: Not MLK)

68. marisacat - 11 July 2008

LOL More hilarious are a couple of her earlier stump speeches… wehre the most brilliant man, Obama, will lead us, whether we like it or not.

Quite the pair.

it’s thin and there is a ton of helium being pumped by the party.

69. marisacat - 11 July 2008


I agree. And Bugliosi is well known here in CA and in SF, one reason he got a lto of time on KGO, in as amenable as possble circumstances.

70. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 July 2008

why are they always blowing up wedding parties? Is there a special wedding party seeking program on the Predator drones?

71. marisacat - 11 July 2008

mostly women and children too, from what I read.

Well the first big one we blew up, back in 2003, near the border, a desert wedding party, taking plce between two Ramadi families… we claimed terrorists,. which it seemed [to me] were tribal family members who came over the border as people do, on their own, to the wedding… as well as [horrors!] drug smugglers.

72. marisacat - 11 July 2008

Full text from JPost:

Iraq denies IAF using its airspace

Jul. 11, 2008

Iraq denied on Friday reports claiming the Israeli Air Force has been practicing for a possible attack against Iran in its airspace.

“As the Ministry of Defense, we haven’t observed any IAF warplanes practicing in Iraqi airspace,” said Major-General Mohammad al-Askari, spokesman for the Iraqi Defense Ministry.

On Friday, sources in the Iraqi Defense Ministry told a local news network that Israel Air Force (IAF) war planes are practicing in Iraqi airspace and land on US airbases in the country as a preparation for a potential strike on Iran.

The IDF has also denied the reports, calling them “baseless.”

The report, which was also carried by Iranian news outlets, claimed that recently massive IAF overnight presence was detected in several American held airbases.

According to the sources, former military officers in the Anbar province said IAF jets arrive during the night from Jordanian airspace, enter Iraq’s airspace and land on a runway near the city of Hadita. The sources estimated the jets were practicing for a raid on Iran’s nuclear sites.

The sources also said the American bases in Iraq might serve as a platform for the IAF from which to attack Iran. If Israeli warplanes will take off from Iraq, they can reach Bushehr in five minutes – a “record time,” the sources said.

73. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 July 2008

It’s a real shame but the cards always showed BushCoCheneyCo were going to ride off into the sunset, unimpeded.

The donks folded on Iran/Contra and BCCI … why would they do anything now? They’re eager to get their hands on the power themselves, as I think you’ve pointed out many times.

The only people who are held “accountable” for anything in this country are the poor and powerless.

74. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 July 2008

“As the Ministry of Defense, we haven’t observed any IAF warplanes practicing in Iraqi airspace,” said Major-General Mohammad al-Askari, spokesman for the Iraqi Defense Ministry.

So they’ve rebuilt the air defense systems that we destroyed back in ’03? Somehow I doubt it. It would be my bet that the only airspace monitoring going on is being done by the Americans.

75. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 July 2008

Kucinich to Present Impeachment Case to Panel

Democratic leaders have agreed to give Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich a day before the House Judiciary Committee to make his case that President Bush ought to be impeached for allegedly lying to Congress in order to get approval to invade Iraq.

Kucinich, D-Ohio, has introduced three impeachment resolutions — one against Bush (HRes 1258) and two against Vice President Dick Cheney (H Res 333, H Res 799) — all of which have been referred to committee and then ignored.

On Thursday, Kucinich complied with a rule requiring him to give notice before filing another article of impeachment, which he intends to do on July 14. Earlier Thursday, Speaker Nancy Pelosi , D-Calif., said Judiciary Chairman John Conyers Jr. , D-Mich., likely would review the matter before his committee.

Kucinich contends that Pelosi’s blessing demonstrates the desire on Capitol Hill to hold the administration accountable for allegedly lying to Congress.

“When Congress is reminded that a case for war was made based on information that has been categorically proven to be untrue, Congress will then want to reflect on its power and responsibility,” Kucinich said.

But Democratic House leaders downplayed the possibility of actual impeachment proceedings. “It is my expectation that there will be some review of it in the committee,” Pelosi said. “Not necessarily taking up the articles of impeachment, because that would have to be voted on the floor, but to have some hearings on the subject.”

“The chairman may be holding hearings. Whether he holds impeachment hearings would be another question,” Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer , D-Md., said Thursday.

They’ll only allow actual hearings if they’re forced to kicking and screaming. Good on Dennis and Wexler for continuing to push.

76. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 July 2008
77. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 July 2008

Just … wow:

The American leader, who has been condemned throughout his presidency for failing to tackle climate change, ended a private meeting with the words: “Goodbye from the world’s biggest polluter.”

He then punched the air while grinning widely, as the rest of those present including Gordon Brown and Nicolas Sarkozy looked on in shock.

Mr Bush, whose second and final term as President ends at the end of the year, then left the meeting at the Windsor Hotel in Hokkaido where the leaders of the world’s richest nations had been discussing new targets to cut carbon emissions.

The “leader” of the so-called free world as dickhead fratboy. I’m surprised he didn’t drop trou and light a fart.

78. marisacat - 11 July 2008

Love how they trot out the stories, when ti si time for us to move on. To the next cardboard cut out. It all feels so 1976.

79. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 July 2008

Step away from the links Madman … I’m getting carried away, but at least I’m not getting struck by lightening w/ a video camera running in my hand.

80. NYCee - 11 July 2008

Well, Vincent may be a bit off kilter, but his passion is cool, really.

Fools Rush In…

I went to see a panel on impeachment in the spring, at the urging of a Tasini organizer I met and worked with during the campaign. My friend is relentless, will not waving the white flag re impeachment (I have helped him get signatures for letters to Congress, in the past)

Scott Horton, Bruce Fein and Elizabeth Holzman were on the panel. The event was held at a very liberal, involved church in the Village, Judson Church, just off Washington Square Park (you know, that iconic countercultural mecca of the folk scene, hippies – a place that was still full of that spirit, in some ways… really! Yet another special landmark taken out. One we tried and failed to save.)

I was coming down with a fierce cold (or something), already weakened, and then had to get the park destruction in my face, recently conquered (by Bloomberg Mafia/Rats), pass the chain link in the heart of it with the (Oh to be a vandal!) “UNDER construction! sign on it. The famous fountain fenced up so it could be bulldozed up, too sad… I had avoided this disaster ever since I knew it got the go ahead. This was my first confrontation with it.

So I had to walk thru that in order to enter this church to listen to yet another lost cause – Impeachment.

Not that I think it is ever good to give up. But I was really feeling it that day. They always win. (Triple that sense, if you add the lost cause of Tasini, the connection to my going to the event) Spoke to Bruce a bit afterward and my god, that guy is the real deal! He is genuinely ultra passionate about the Constitution and getting these crooks. I talked to him about the sad fact that the complicit Dems will not let it happen. He, of course, knew this was so, but at the same time he acted so amazed that it could be so, that they could let this happen. It was quite amazing to see the vitality of this guy’s passion around this issue.
Scott also seemed to be quite worked up as he spoke to the crowd. Didnt speak to him personally.

So much cynicism, weariness, wariness, ignorance, distraction… and then this passion over something meaningful, so rare. Guess Bugliosi made me think of this.

Anyway, quite a contrast to how I felt at the time.

81. NYCee - 11 July 2008

#77 = Unfuckingbelievable! (Nah, not really)

Bush’s parting (farting?) comment to the G-8 is like fucking South Park, isnt it?!

Cant wait for the next one. How will he top himself? Cant even imagine.

(Hands it to Daily Show on a platter. Dont tinker with it; it’s done.)

82. marisacat - 11 July 2008

I have no problem with Bugliosi. It also is not hard to see where the “off kilter” in his passion comes from, he has been at the heart of the darkness, of a particular CA sort, for decades.

SOMEONE should hcarge Bush with murder, but the political system, as ti readies itself to elect some hyped game, is so fucking broken.

I am glad for the Bugliosi message but it is in a maelstrom. In the end, congress went along, it just blots out any charges, from Bugliosi to Kucinich … unless one indicts the entire system. I don’t notice America ready to do that — and one reason I am honesttogod sick of Bush hate. what an escape hatch.. On the other hand I am unsure enough people really want to be lectured on monolingualism, bi-lingualism by someone who speaks only English, as Obama finally broke down and admitted. OH yeah I was so surprised.

The next few years might be marginally more interesting.

It’s a peculiar tower of babel that we climbed up in this country. Where Fein can claim shock at those Dems. Reminds me of John Dean writing close to election in 2004 about all the Dems would do to fight for the vote, afterward. I jsut shook my head.

It gets so fucking OLD

83. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 July 2008

Watching Russ Douthat on Moyers (and another conservative) bemoaning what the Bushies have “done” to the Republicans. Made an interesting argument that the point of conservativism is to ‘preserve American exceptionalism’ followed by a litany about how wonderful Americans are about working thru theri churches, giving to charity etc.

Of course, NO acceptance that Americans do this not just out of a generosity of spirit, but often because they want to deny aid/succor to some unworthy OTHER, i.e. “not white”/poor.

It’s an amazing blind spot that these people have.

84. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 July 2008

Why Does Barack Obama Hate My Family?

I happened to have what turned out to be a very short breakfast meeting with a white female friend who was also a former Hillary Clinton supporter. She’s now onboard with Obama. As we spoke, after not seeing each other for more than a month or so, the topic quickly went to Obama with me telling her I didn’t plan to vote for him, his speech being just one of the reasons. She responded by threatening never to speak to me again if I supported Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney. I don’t know if she was serious or not.

On the subject of the Father’s Day speech she followed up by asking in a somewhat careful way, “Aren’t black women more responsible than black men? That’s what I’ve always heard.”

She’s been married 3 times and has kids by her first husband.

But I didn’t mention that. Instead, what I think might have ended our breakfast prematurely was my black man race card response to the “irresponsibility” question. It’s the answer I give to anyone – black or white – who raises the question: A black man would have to be full of self or group hate to believe that black men are more irresponsible then white men or men of other races or ethnic backgrounds. George Bush, Dick Cheney, and a host of other white guys who lied America into the Iraqi war, which has resulted in countless deaths, prove the point. And that’s just the most recent example of white, male irresponsibility. The history of the United States is drenched in blood due to the decisions of immoral, irresponsible white men.

In the days after Obama’s speech, Ishmael Reed, Dr. Ron Walters and others rebutted the candidate’s targeting of black men with the Boston College study which revealed – surprisingly to some – that black fathers not living in the same domicile as their children are more likely to have a relationship with their kids than white fathers in similar circumstances. Walters, an Obama supporter, warned his candidate, “Black people are not voting for a moralist-in-chief.”

So, in light of the Brown study should we conclude that white men are more irresponsible than black men when it comes to spending time with their kids? Maybe Obama should find a white church and offer white men advice on Father’s Day? Can we expect to hear him call them “boys?”

Or maybe he should take a trip to the hollows of Appalachia and tell the “trailer park crowd” that if they would just “pick up the garbage” from around their trailers and “stop engaging in incest” (or whatever other stereotype that comes to mind) they would not have it so bad.

And shouldn’t he be advising the polygamist families out west? Or, hopping on a plane to Massachusetts to lecture the fathers and parents of the pregnant teens in Gloucester?

According to Health and Human Services, “throughout the 1990s, black teens have had the largest declines in teen childbearing rates of any group” while “Latinas have had the highest teen birth rate of any major ethnic/racial minority in the country since 1995.” Why doesn’t Obama take his message to the barrios? Maybe he could go to a Catholic Cathedral in the heart of an East L.A. Latino community and challenge Latino men’s machismo. He should use “boys” in his speech and admonish the parishioners not to eat so many burritos.

Truth be told, I don’t wish to see a particular racial, sexual, religious or ethnic group singled out for derision or used as a campaign prop. Stereotypical remarks about blacks, Latinos and whites in Appalachia are just as inappropriate and stupid as remarks about Jewish materialism or Irish drunkenness.

I’m old fashioned about some things. My mother is prone to say, “Keep your business out the streets.” I’m only putting out my family’s personal stories to illustrate why I’m leery about Obama.

85. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 July 2008

After Obama won the South Carolina primary, whenever I was asked, I’d say that in the general election my vote was his to lose. Prior to and after their wedding, my ex-offender son-in-law, somewhat of a race man (he planned to vote for Obama “because he is black”), who just recently found out he could vote despite his conviction, constantly reminded me of what I had said, “Remember, you said your vote was his to lose.”

Shortly after his and my daughter’s wedding, a couple of day after Obama’s Father’s Day speech, we were sitting together with a friend of his, a young, married father of one, who was in their wedding party. Once again he reminded me of what I had said about “my vote to lose.” I let loose with just about everything I’ve said in this article. I told him to look at his own life and then tell me what he thinks about Obama.

I asked my son-in-law to think about his wedding and the people who were there. There were lots of young mothers and fathers and children, divorcees, second marriages, common-law arrangements, ex-lovers, step-parents and grandparents, etc. Many of those people, if they believed Obama, could be passed off as being “irresponsible” and their kids dismissed as “mistakes.” I asked him: Did he truly believe that many of the people in that church, whose lives he knew, were less moral or responsible than others, as Obama inferred? Ex-offender, former unmarried father of three, rap music producer, isn’t he one of those whom Obama is condemning? On paper, anyway. Yet, he has raised three good kids.

Whenever I suggest to Obama insiders that he’s a lot like Bill Clinton, they go apoplectic. Yet, as race-baiting and race politics goes, Obama has proven himself to be as good, if not better than Clinton, long considered the modern master of race politics. If you believe, as I do, that he “played black men to court white voters,” then all Obama’s protestations about Bill Clinton’s race-baiting were just a ruse. And, in that light he is no better than Clinton when it comes to using race fears. He may even be worse than Clinton because he plays it both ways – assaulted and assailant. I’ll be willing to bet that if Clinton were honest in revealing how he really felt about Obama, that would be at the heart of his grievance.

86. marisacat - 11 July 2008

well……bingo on the last graf.

87. marisacat - 11 July 2008


and Ross Douthat is a young conservative. I had been reading him at The Atlantic, thinking he was 55. Gosh, he sounded like it.

oh nooooooooooooooooo. another that has been elevated, for decades to come.

88. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 July 2008
89. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 July 2008

Douthat was a moron, just a slightly rightward version of the DLC guys.

Dumb, historically ignorant.

90. marisacat - 11 July 2008

From Counterpunch linked by Madman

and by the way I have searched high and low for a transcipt or even a few references to this speech obama gave to the CBC lst year, in February…. I have never found it, I have found all of three refrences to the quote. Three with this one….

Early in the campaign year, Obama used one of the oldest racial stereotypes in a speech to black South Carolina state legislators: “In Chicago, sometimes when I talk to the black chambers of commerce, I say, ‘You know what would be a good economic development plan for our community would be if we make sure folks weren’t throwing their garbage out of their cars’.” Translation; black people are dirty and lazy.

91. marisacat - 11 July 2008

hmm I had nto read that he used it in SC… I had only read of that same characterisation, used in Feb 2007 to some gathering of the CBC.

92. wilfred - 11 July 2008

#77 I can’t ever seem rid myself of Bush outrage, it’s something I have in never ending supply, he continues to appall me. I wonder if it will even stop next January when skips blithely to his pig ranch?

93. bayprairie - 11 July 2008

senate “oversight

The run on the bank came after a critical letter about the bank from Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York. Federal regulators said on Friday that Mr. Schumer’s letter had prompted the collapse by causing the run and scaring away potential acquirers.

“The senator made comments in his letter questioning the viability of the institution,” John M. Reich, director of the Office of Thrift Supervision, said in a phone call with reporters. “When a member of the United States Senate makes such a statement, it frightens depositors.”

94. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 July 2008

93 – there will be more, many more.

95. marisacat - 11 July 2008

re Indymac and Fannie and Freddie…

Yeah but Dodd stood up today and said nothing to be afraid of. Fear itself, mebbe,, but we are strong. Yadda yadda yadda yadda, collection plate out to the Financial Ser vices Industry. Etc.

96. NYCee - 11 July 2008

That’s very funny, Madman.

It needs an encore.


97. marisacat - 11 July 2008

Grace Nearing (scriptoids) is deft and adept. She was shut for almost a year and a half, then madman posted something from her site… I had given up shortly before that and finally taken her off the blogroll… so I put her back… LOL

98. NYCee - 11 July 2008

I saw the Moyers too.

Call me crazy but I kinda liked the older guy.

Not too down with the younger one, myself.

Too full of himself to deign to give a NEW policy for the R’s new middle class Rx, but none of those social policies of the Ds (old timey ones), and keep the religion, family values…

(um hmmmm… all right, whiz kid, we’ll just take it on faith…)

They both got a little muddy in the religion waters, but I say go with the older dude.

(Too lazy for names right now.)

99. NYCee - 11 July 2008

So agree with you on the all tied in together, Rs and Ds – so how to impeach/prosecute, etc. And on the sick of bushhate as excuse. As lightning rod.

If I could think of something clever at this hour to do with “when the cats away, the mice will play” along the lines of “when GWB is in the house, the Dems will …??? -> unnoticed, play the louse?

Lol … Time for bed, I think.

100. Madman in the Marketplace - 11 July 2008

I went back there on a whim, actually. Glad I did. Grace puts up some great stuff.

98 – there is an appalling historical ignorance w/ guys like Douthat. Just another spin on kos, etc.

101. marisacat - 11 July 2008

Moyers just coming on… Douthat and Mickey Edwards…

102. marisacat - 11 July 2008

……………and they got around to Roe. Of course.

103. marisacat - 12 July 2008

nu thred


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