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Still summer…………………. 25 July 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.


Lotus flowers – Buddhist temple – Sri Lanka – AFP/Getty via Telegraph.co.uk

hmm Why in the name of hell would New Orleanians believe anything the Nagins of the earth tell them?

For The New Orleans Times-Picayune, Mark Schleifstein reports: “A 100-mile stretch of the Mississippi River remains closed indefinitely to ship traffic this morning, as salvage workers drafted plans to remove a split fuel barge from beneath the Crescent City Connection in New Orleans and a half-dozen emergency spill contractors continued efforts to corral hundreds of thousands of gallons of thick, smelly fuel oil as it floated toward the Gulf of Mexico.

Meanwhile, residents of Algiers remained skeptical of the assurances given by New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin and Sewerage & Water Board officials that their water is safe to drink, with many choosing to drink bottled water instead. ‘We don’t want to give a date right now’ for reopening the river, said Coast Guard Capt. Lincoln Stroh, who controls shipping on the river as captain for the Port of New Orleans.”


This seems to be one of the favorite sound bites from Berlin – and what a crock of shit, as we build a haphazard wall on the Southern border and the Israelis build a medieval wall across Palestinian land.

“The walls between old allies on either side of the Atlantic cannot stand,” Mr. Obama said, putting a new twist on the cold war calls to bring down the barrier that divided Berlin. “The walls between the countries with the most and those with the least cannot stand. The walls between races and tribes, natives and immigrants, Christian and Muslim and Jew cannot stand. These now are the walls we must tear down.”

Overflowing crock.


AND, CSM weighs in on Gitmo.

The next administration will have to be careful it doesn’t simply recreate Guantánamos elsewhere, for instance at prisons in Afghanistan and Iraq, on which the Supreme Court has yet to weigh in

Sadly right, I think. I used to think he might close Gitmo, only because it would be a single, showy, big move. Buy time, dazzle the rubes, etc. But as he goes even flatter (think of squished silly putty)… hmm… No, IMO, he won’t be closing Gitmo. All along we have madly built prisons in Iraq – and plan a big revamp of Bagram, which we took over mostly as the Soviets left it, all those years ago. Blessed are those who inherit the very war they began….

Last, not bothering to look it up now, but Kozloff wrote several weeks ago at Counterpunch that Ob was being squirrelly on School of the Americas. What a shock, not. And that does not even brush by Fort Huachuca, where, last I heard, the reprehensible and slippery General Miller of Abu Ghraib went. With all his treats and toys. Free as a jaybird, as Bush soon will be.

The Greatest Nation Ever on Earth. Blessed by God. Fake submissives for Jesus, blood soaked martinets, in reality.


From the tag end of the last thread………


The Parade of ‘Shrill, Unserious Extremists’ on Display at Today’s Impeachment Hearing

Greenwald on impeachment. Below, on Cass Sunstein (Betrothed to the “Brilliant” Samantha Powers, another “brilliant” Obama TOP advisor… )

Jane also asked Fein about Obama adviser Cass Sunstein’s recent statements that Bush officials should not be prosecuted for their illegal detention, interrogation and spying programs. To get a sense for why this matters, National Journal this morning listed Sunstein as one of a small handful of likely Supreme Court appointees in an Obama administration. But — similar to Fein’s point regarding Jay Rockefeller, Jane Harman and comrades — Sunstein has long been one of the most vocal enablers of Bush radicalism and lawlessness, having continuously offered himself up over the last seven years to play the legal version of the TNR role of “even-liberal-Cass-Sunstein-agrees-with-Bush.”

During my Democracy Now debate with him, Sunstein said: “I’d be honored but surprised if the military commissions cite some of my academic articles.” But as Talk Left’s Armando documented, Sunstein would be an ideal and highly likely “legal scholar” for the Bush administration to cite as part of its military tribunals, as Sunstein was an early and outspoken supporter of the theory that Bush had the authority to order military commissions (a theory which the Supreme Court rejected in Hamdan). Identically, while Sunstein now pretends to disagree with Bush’s theory as to why he had the power to spy on Americans in violation of the law (Sunstein said on Democracy Now: “while I agree with Senator Feingold that the President’s position is wrong”), Sunstein defended those theories as “very reasonable” when he was on right-wing talk radio with Hugh Hewitt in late 2005 during the height of the NSA controversy.

It’s really hard to imagine a worse person on whom Obama could be relying as a legal adviser, let alone a potential Supreme Court nominee, and here is what Fein had to say about Sunstein’s view of things:

Lots of links within, including video of Fein on Sunstein.

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1. marisacat - 25 July 2008

Meet the Press: Obama (for the full hour)

This Week: McCain

Face the Nation: Sens. Hagel, Reed

Fox News Sunday: Sens. Thune, McCaskill, Rove

Late Edition: McCain, airs Obama forum


2. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

Overflowing crock.

More like overflowing chamber pot.

On a better note, Tweety just featured the director of this doc, coming up next month on HBO:

Thank You, Mr. President: Helen Thomas at the White House

3. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

Can’t find confirmation anywhere yet, but David Swanson says Cindy Will Be on Ballot

Cindy Sheehan has now collected enough signatures to be on the ballot against Nancy Pelosi. Only 6th independent in California history to do so.

Apparently she was ejected from the hearings today:

A lot of good information was presented at the hearings, and some very strong, very incredible witnesses testified. Toward the end, when Vince Bugliosi (retired Los Angeles district attorney and author of: The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder) stated before the Committee that there should be justice for the more than 4,000 U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, I stood up and stated loudly, “Thank you” to Mr. Bugliosi — as my son Casey was one of those soldiers who died because of lies and deception by George Bush and Dick Cheney.

Immediately, Committee Chairman John Conyers told the audience that his colleagues were urging him to take action to have me removed. I then said loudly, “I urge you all to take action.” That is when Chairman Conyers kicked me out of the hearings, saying: “Sheehan, out now!”)

Yes. We need real impeachment hearings. We need Congress to take action against Bush, Cheney and all those in the administration who lied, abused their power, and violated the precious rights enshrined in our Constitution.

Cindy Sheehan
Friday, July 25, 2008 — 2 p.m. EST

4. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

C-Span is rebroadcasting the hearings starting now, for those of us (like me!) who weren’t home during the day.

5. marisacat - 25 July 2008

I rather thought Sheehan would get on… not that hard to find 11,000 plus signatures around here…. between war, impeachment, enabling, etc. FISA in all its parts and pieces was a big issue here. People could quote chapter and verse and say things like, ”well I am about 200 pages into the 1000 pages”

It kind of cheered me up, frankly.

So, go Cindy! and Go Shirley Golub!, who is also running and had ads on TV during the primary…


6. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

ugh … I’m not sure sitting thru Conyers’ self-congradulatory line of BS about how much he’s “done” against Bush is a worthy price to pay to see the rest.

Jesus defiled Xrist on a Cracker, shut the fuck up man. Get out of the damned way.

I wonder if Pelosi is getting nervous yet. When is that contest between Golub and Pelosi? Is she just on the general ballot? I thought the Donk primary already happened, or was that just the Presidential primary.

One interesting thing about this hearing … I don’t remember the Clinton hearings being so uptight about propriety and not insulting the President.

7. marisacat - 25 July 2008

we have voted so many times in the past 10 months that I am confused.

Golub has been running a while… and had fundraising over 100K, as of a few months ago. Very eye catching ads, she got attention for them. Cheap but plucky…

8. marisacat - 25 July 2008

6 honestly I have reached a point where I cannot stand Conyers anymore. Befuddled and too old. Lost in his myths.

9. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

Donks so damned careful (except Wexler so far), and Republicans so firm in their statements, even though they’re full of shit. All the donks do is show how weak they are.

Conyers needs to retire to his home, spend his days feeding the pigeons.

10. marisacat - 25 July 2008

oh Jesus fuckiing christ. NOOOOOOO

Amie Parnes and I report that — somewhat to the surprise of their interlocutors — Obama’s veep vetters have floated the name of first-term Bush Agriculture Secretary Anne Veneman.

via BenSmith.

11. marisacat - 25 July 2008


Yeah FLA Dems are pretty DLC but I will say they have tons more grit than most. In the last election, 2006, the lady who ran, Jennings would have fought on, tooth and nail for that seat. The Leadership allowed the R to be seated. Fucking hell. They get seated, they don’t leave.

12. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

I had to look her up … ugh. Name didn’t ring a bell. From wikipedia:

Veneman began her legal career as a staff attorney with the General Counsel’s office of the Bay Area Rapid Transit District in Oakland, California, in 1976. In 1978, she returned to Modesto, where she served as a Deputy Public Defender. In 1980, she joined the Modesto law firm of Damrell, Damrell and Nelson, where she was an associate and later a partner.

Veneman joined the United States Department of Agriculture’s Foreign Agricultural Service in 1986, serving as Associate Administrator until 1989. During this time she worked on the Uruguay Round talks for the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT). She subsequently served as Deputy Undersecretary of Agriculture for International Affairs and Commodity Programs from 1989 to 1991. From 1991 to 1993, she served as United States Department of Agriculture’s Deputy Secretary, the Department’s second-highest position. At this point Veneman took a break from political and administrative office to practice with the law firm and lobby group Patton, Boggs & Blow and also served on several boards of directors and advisory groups.

In 1995 Veneman re-entered government, when she was appointed Secretary of the California Department of Food and Agriculture. From 1999 to 2001 Veneman was an attorney with Nossaman, Guthner, Knox and Elliott, where she focused her attention on food, agriculture, environment, technology, and trade related issues. On 20 January 2001 she was appointed Secretary of Agriculture by President George W. Bush, a position she held until January 20, 2005.

She is currently a board member of Malaria No More, a New York-based nonprofit that was launched at the 2006 White House Summit with the goal of ending all deaths caused by malaria.

Reportedly, Barack Obama’s representatives mentioned Veneman to members of Congress as a potential Vice Presidential nominee who would appeal to Republicans and independents. [2]

Always funny to hear Republicans bemoan how low politics has become, driven there by the xrazy liberals. They live in a whole different universe, made up as they go along.

And the pathetic donks STILL can’t beat them.

13. marisacat - 25 July 2008

hmm sounds like not taking the time, whatever the dispute between political operatives vs Pentagon, to go to Landstuhl and Ramstein, is gonna haunt the Christ Child.

14. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

I keep hanging in, based on links in the last thread that good stuff got said, just b/c it’s nice to hear a good tune as the world burns, but listening to Pence and the other wingers, who ruthlessly pursued impeachment over a lie about an affair and a blowjob, talk about how the donks are “criminalizing politics” is just too fucking funny. This is reminding me of why I’m tuning out politics more and more … it’s just fucking insane and run by liars, crooks and idiots. Yes, I know that none of this is new, but the current crop aren’t even GOOD liars or crooks, let alone entertaining idiots.

15. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

13 – Crooks & Liars claims that the Pentagon waved him off because he was traveling as a candidate, and link to a story from CNN back in April that McCain stayed away for the same reason.

Not that it matters. Let the PR war continue.

16. marisacat - 25 July 2008

well there is some dispute… Pentagon says they told him he could go in alone, NO campaign/political operatives, no press and NO media cameras. Just a private meet and greet, as a senator. The issue was he wanted campaign staff with him. And, my guess, film for the Rully Big SHow in Denver.

As I shuffle the stories. Better to have hit at least one as a drop in. But, really, who cares. Today he is kissing Sarko, who I think wore elevator shoes…

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

Now for something that is less of a waste of time than the donks and their sainted candidate:

Rube Goldberg Machine Is Made of 100,000 Toothpicks, Shaped Like San Francisco

18. marisacat - 25 July 2008

hmmm From First Read…

Per NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski, Obama made phone calls to wounded soldiers at Landstuhl Germany this morning, in lieu of a personal visit to the forces that was canceled by the Obama campaign. Link

In a briefing aboard the flight to Paris, Obama strategist Robert Gibbs came to the back of the plane at least three separate times to explain to reporters that the decision to cancel the senator’s trip to Ramstein and Landstuhl came after word from the Pentagon that it would violate Defense Department regulations.

19. NYCee - 25 July 2008

They will probably repeat again this weekend, on Cspan 1 or 3, for those who missed it.

Yup, good on Cindy. She called out, “Thank you, Vince!,” for Bugliosi telling it without mincing… Conyers says, “Sheehan, youre out.” She’s “yeah, I am.”

Ugh, Zoe and Sheila Jackson, Watt and some others made me sick. Just looking for the excuse-escape hatch, just looking to pretend they need to invent all this other circuitous, crazy substitution to impeachment, because they are too fucking gutless to use the tool designed precisely to do the job, staring them in the face. The pro impeachment panelists are picking it up and shaking it at them, holding it out and yelling, “Take it! Use it!”

But instead, they cry for something else to use; their wrists are too limp to hold it, after practicing the art of limp for so long. The fault is in them. I love how they grab onto the “environment” excuse. Ugh. “This environment” is so different now, we need another tool, you had good Republicans back then who would work with you to impeach Nixon! Boo hoo hoo, we dont! We need new tools for this environment (A 9/11 type commission to poke around at the ills … oh mercy!) This environment is so tough, so bad, so … (I think Nadler used that excuse recently and then someone else picked it up today… its obviously their sheild, their agreed upon defense. The Environment made me NOT do it!)

All this with absolutely no sense of irony. I mean, if they hadnt let themselves get walked all over, we wouldnt have this environment, now would we? They are it. But they say impeachment cant beat the environment. They are the environment, and they cant defeat their own enabling, that is the environment. That is where their weakness becomes strength – in enabling a bad environment. Impeachment is effective against it. Impeachment is a perfectly good tool. But it needs good handlers who dont whine and retreat from the bully environment they feed every damn day.

Nadler peeked his turtle head out, I think to say something mildly supportive … of his “image” of being on the side of the pro people. See, his constituency is the West Village, of the the Judson Church impeachment gatherings, the anti Washington Squ Park redesign people, the Tasini activist hub… They have been at his butt to get on impeachment. They hound him. But he is on Pelosi’s leash. It is pathetic to watch.

20. NYCee - 25 July 2008

Mission Creep…y!

Here are a couple bits that correspond to what Zig B has been saying.

From Sami Ramadani, via The Guardian

No U-turn. Obama’s stance on Iraq is chillingly consistent

Obama sees Iraq as part of a wider theatre of war and potential wars engulfing the entire Middle East, where US strategic goals and interests are at stake. So his obvious shift on the “surge” operations in Iraq (underlined by deleting criticisms of it from his website last week) is strengthening his call for “redeployment” from Iraq to Afghanistan. His current strategy could be summed up as: de-escalate the war in Iraq, escalate it in Afghanistan, and talk to Iran. On Iran, his offer of talks was coupled with an alarming, Bush-style threat. “I’ll do everything in my power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. Everything,” Obama told a gathering of the pro-Israel lobby group, Aipac, in April. He is echoing the sentiments of his famous anti-Iraq war speech in 2002, in which he repeatedly stressed that he was not opposed to all US wars.


Tactical differences and issues of style aside, Obama’s message on occupied Iraq is deeply troubling – not because it has U-turned but because it has been consistent. His 300 foreign policy advisers are making sure that he will not stray from protecting US imperialist interests, even if it does mean launching new wars and bolstering puppet regimes and corrupt dictatorships throughout the “greater Middle East”.

And, from Marwan Bishara, Al Jazeera:

Obama: Commander-in-(mis)chief?

Obama also committed to increasing the number of fighting brigades in Afghanistan.

That, however, is not so smart. In fact it is stupid, not because he never set foot in the country, nor because McCain makes the same promises, but because of the way the Democratic candidate has connected the two commitments.

His logic follows that Washington needs to withdraw troops from Iraq and re-direct them to Afghanistan – the centre of the “war on terror” – where the US military is over extended.

The presumably cultured liberal Obama failed to explain why killing more Afghans rather than killings Iraqis will make Americans safer, or how adopting the Bush-McCain rhetoric on the “war on terror” will win him

(Hey Barack! Do tell, is that a peace sign or a hawk’s foot?)

21. marisacat - 25 July 2008

I really think it comes down to this for the Christ Child:

He sold himself as anti Iraq War. But a lot of effing dumb people will vote for him as Anti War. They did not listen, this was the plan (others will vote believing that SOMEONE will solve health care. Wakey Wakey, ain’t going to happen_ Rinse and reapt for all primises, and he has made a SHIT LOAD)

He needs at all times to reassure the MIC+whoeverelse, that yes indeedy he knows how we butter the global bread: WAR.

And AfPak is easy to sell, as Get Osama.

I really think that is it. And he has long made troubling comments about what a fucking know it all he is. And Michelle has sold him (in her three basic stump speech version before they scripted her ass) as so brilliant we really must brake for him and be GRATEFUL

It is all such a con.

22. marisacat - 25 July 2008

Zoe totally dropped out, within months, hell maybe weeks, of Howard collapse. She read the writing on the wall.

I saw her within 48 hours of Iowa “scream”, she was in full bore shock. I really mean it, full shock. She had beena very early supporter.

A lot of people got the message what would happen to anyone who even wanted to tweak the party, make it marginally more responsive, more of a political party.

Zoe just does what Pelosi wants, Nancy took a plum committe away from oen fo the CBC women (I forget now whcih) having to do with immigration, she will work it to suit her district which is parts of Silly Con Valley. The skilled visas.

Zoe rolled over.

23. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

The Republicans on this cmmte are a bunch of scary fucking zealots and idiots. The only one who seems to have even 2 brain cells to rub together. Rep. Franks from Arizona is nuts.

24. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

MJ Smith @ SMBIVA: Nanny wags a warning finger

25. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

LOL … Mel Watt called for the American people to impeach Bush in Nov.

Profiles in cowardice.

26. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

via a mention on the blog 3 Quarks Daily:

‘Any Solution Will Have to Involve More Creative Thinking’

SPIEGEL ONLINE: This week Palestinians all over the world mark the sixtieth anniversary of what they have come to call the “Nakba,” or catastrophe — the expulsion from their homes in 1948 in the wake of the founding of the State of Israel. You have studied the phenomenon as an anthropologist, but you yourself are the daughter of a Palestinian. What does this day mean to you?

Lila Abu-Lughod: Only my father was Palestinian, but for both my parents the political injustice of the situation was clear. Every child of a Palestinian refugee feels the burden of the events of 1948, not just through what a parent or grandparent might tell her or through sensing their hollow feeling of exile, but because the results are with us today in the continuing violence. Those who live in the US are faced daily with a kind of symbolic violence — misconceptions and untruths conveyed by the media about Israel. I don’t see the anniversary as a time of mourning but as an occasion for trying to get the world to listen to what really happened and to think about how this should shape our vision of a solution.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: In your book you point out that the children of those Palestinians who lived through the Nakba and the children of the Jews who were persecuted in Europe and made it to Israel both have to deal with the traumatic experiences of their parents.

Abu-Lughod: My colleague Ahmad Sa’di, who is a Palestinian citizen of Israel and has both studied the history and been subjected to the painful reality of living in a state based on race, writes in our book, “Nakba,” about the terrible irony of a people who had suffered so much becoming the perpetrators of violence.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: In some circles it is almost considered an anti-Semitic statement to even compare the suffering of the Jews of Europe and the Palestinians. No one has the moral right to tell Jews they should have “learned” something from the Holocaust.

Abu-Lughod: I did not and would not make comparisons. Nor would I say that victims of the Holocaust have something to “learn.” It is disturbing that others misunderstand and misrepresent what Palestinians are saying, or deny them a moral right to talk about what happened to them. As for false accusations of anti-Semitism — these trivialize an important issue because they are now routinely used to silence any discussion of Palestinian suffering and any open debate about what the Israeli government is doing.

27. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008
28. marisacat - 25 July 2008

I am sick to death of the exclusivity of suffering. And being expected to GENUFLECT at some, and ignore other suffering.

What evil, frankly.

29. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

28 – me too. Roger Waters wrote a lyric in one of his songs:

“You don’t have to be a jew
to disapprove of murder”

Sums it up pretty well for me.

Speaking of suffering and its uses by politicians …

Mr. FIsh

30. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

oh, and Bruce Fein is a patriot. I’m no fan of conservatism, but it’s a sign of how deeply corrupt this country is that he’s not celebrated by his party.

31. Madman in the Marketplace - 25 July 2008

Wexler Wants Real Impeachment Hearing Now

I believe the only appropriate remedy is to hold Impeachment Hearings.

While Inherent Contempt might dislodge some testimony or at least guarantee the appearance of witnesses, the larger concern is the President’s outrageous abuse of Executive Privilege.

We have been down this road before: in 1973, Articles of Impeachment were introduced against President Nixon after he illegally tried to use Executive Privilege to bury evidence of his wrongdoings.

I fully recognize the significance of holding Impeachment Hearings, and I have not come to this position lightly – but when the President of the United States takes actions that amount to high crimes, we are left with no other option than to seek his impeachment and removal from office.

Our government was founded upon a delicate balance of powers – whereby one branch carefully checks the other branches to prevent a dangerous consolidation of power. President Bush’s actions have totally destroyed this careful balance. Without these checks and balances, the President could run roughshod over any law and turn us into a nation…
…where wars can be waged based on lies
…and laws can be rewritten without the input of Congress or the American people.

Congress must end this disturbing pattern of behavior, and in these circumstances, the only option left is impeachment.

This is not a partisan issue: Congress is a co-equal branch of government with the Executive, and it cannot allow this attack on our powers to go unanswered. To ignore these actions is tantamount to a willful concession of our rights as legislators. No Democrat, Republican, or Independent should allow Congress’ powers to be so undermined.

Nor should Congress allow the calendar to determine whether we should ignore abuses of office. No President should be given immunity and free-reign just because there are only a few months left in their term.

Impeachment Hearings can be held very quickly – in a manner of weeks.

Although today we don’t have the votes to impeach today – neither did the Judiciary Committee investigating President Nixon until AFTER hearings were held and the truth was revealed. We must put a halt to this historic Administrative power grab.

Congress has not lived up to its promises, and we can no longer credibly claim that impeachment would upset our agenda. Our agenda has not withstood presidential vetoes or senatorial filibusters. If we do nothing, this session will be remembered for our conceding the rightful and constitutional powers of Congress, and little more.

I am unbowed in my determination for Impeachment Hearings and I know you feel the same way.

Encourage your friends to stay updated and demonstrate their support by signing up at http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com

As always, thank you for your kind emails, contributions, and encouragement.

Congressman Robert Wexler

32. diane - 25 July 2008


Thanks for the Wexler link Madman.


Apparently yes Marisa….

Every time I hear something about Anne Venomous, I think of her blather in 2003 about doing everything she can to rid the beef supply of such lovely items as spinal ganglia which was freely being mixed in to the little folks food supply…

33. diane - 25 July 2008


…and then my mind jumps to Christine Todd Whitman [sic?], for that matter Dianne Feinstein, Pelosi, Harman….such lovely examples of the female gender we have representing us…..

34. CSTAR - 25 July 2008

I like Carlos Vives (a well-known Colombian musician) but I can’t quite figure out why la gran naranja features a you-tube video of his on the FP. As the hostess with the mostest would say anyhoo…

Here’s some other Latin Videos:

Juan Luis Guerra (Dominican Republic) El Costo de la Vida

Ruben Blades (Panama) Pedro Navaja

A Classic from the 60s Cortijo y su Combo (Puerto Rico):Quítate de la via Perico

I stumbled on this looking for Charanga. Some damned good musicians play Danzón and Cha-Cha-Cha Colmelon suelta el plato, Son de ALmendra, Oye como va

Some of this may be a little raunchy, but as Luisito Dobbs (Mister Dobbs last name isn’t pronounced the way you think it is; it almost rhymes with robes) we’re all raunchy south of the Border. My mom when I was twelve years old told me (in spanish) “Every gentlleman must know how to dance” “and the warning “don’t dance too close” Hmmm,

Anyway don’t let the danzon (the last clip) fool you. That’s most sensual one of all. And Cha-Cha-Cha is not as wildly frenetic as american ballroom dancers make it out. Es bailao pegadito.

At least it used to be.

Enough raunchiness…

35. marisacat - 25 July 2008


Dianne… I’ve caught film of Dianne a lot lately with Arnold. Nothing new, they seem to be close. Think I recall her CoS moved over to Arnold at some point.

And Anne V… I noticed that Ben Smith tried to say she was Sec Ag under Bush 1, but as I recall she was Ag Sec under BushCo2

Maybe Christ Child is trying to curry favor with someone to float her name… who knows.

LOL They are ALL guilty.

36. diane - 26 July 2008


She was under Bushco2.

Speaking of the groper, hear he’s doing lovely things there in Cali fucking with the lower echelon public servants and instilling fear in them by threatening to lower the hourly worker’s salaries to federal minimum wage until a budget gets passed….perhaps he’s had a giggle or two over it with Dianne…

All vile people running things….

37. marisacat - 26 July 2008

yeah he was stopped as of today. And the Comptroller had stood up to him. FWIW. It would have been illegal, in any case…………

Sucha fucker.

38. CSTAR - 26 July 2008

Without guitar lessons, their little darlings won’t get into Harvard, and they’ll doomed for life, I guess.

39. diane - 26 July 2008

Always amazes me how folks actually believe that Cali is just some loopy liberal state…as one of the largest economies in the world the fuckers who run it, and its politicians, like the groper, mean business – and they’re murderous…

I’m sure the “shadow government” (or at least one of them) exists right in the area surrounding one of Cali’s major airports.

40. marisacat - 26 July 2008

I see the camp costs 10K. ‘Nuff said.

41. bayprairie - 26 July 2008


great links!

42. NYCee - 26 July 2008

(Mcat – The “Christ Child” … fitting. )

Meant to post this yesterday but forgot.

His final words in the Berlin speech:

It is because of these aspirations that the airlift began. It is because of these aspirations that all free people everywhere became citizens of Berlin. It is in pursuit of these aspirations that a new generation, our generation, must make our mark on the world. People of Berlin and people of the world, the scale of our challenge is great. The road ahead will be long. But I come before you to say that we are heirs to a struggle for freedom. We are a people of improbable hope with an eye towards the future with resolve in our hearts. Let us remember this history and answer our destiny and remake the world once again.

I really dont think Europeans tend to go for this high flown “our destiny” to “remake the world” stuff he blows around here so often.

Really, I find that Berlin speech a very weird scene. What has he proven, except that he is not Bush, that he is less conservative in some ways. (He is not liberal at all by their standards.) He is an unknown to us, even, re what he’ll do, and he goes there spilling “aspirations,” telling them about shared resolve and destiny, how they’ve gotta sign on to participate with us… In what? What in Afghanistan? What in the ME?

(And then, so cozy with Sarkozy. Ugh!)

43. NYCee - 26 July 2008

Saw the Ca transfat ban, last thread, Marisa. They outlawed them in NYC – this year, I think. Bloomberg nannies us to death. I think he wants calorie counts on menus, too.

44. NYCee - 26 July 2008

Wee hour wakefulness is mine. Ive been up and down today, awake, asleep, on and off. Vicodin, sweet Vicodin! A Cindy McCain state of mind. (Dental problem/major pain… going to dentist later)

45. NYCee - 26 July 2008

diane, #39

California is funny because it does have that pioneering liberal strain, but also notice it tends to breed some very extreme/crackpot rightwingers: B-1 Bob, Nixon, Reagan, Hunter, Rohrbacher (sp?)… And then there are the slimy Dreier, Issa types. Oh, and Randy Duke.

Guess Ahnold makes for a nice R facelift, huh? 🙂

46. NYCee - 26 July 2008

21 – I agree, Marisa. Sad. Very disturbing. While I was never ga ga, I was open, initially, to the notion that, thin as he was, he would have a tendency toward a more evolved international view… but I have just become more and more disturbed with what I see.

The content combined with the packaging is troubling.

Do you notice how he holds out his little girls every time he excuses killing and oppression? It’s the Daddy Death Dividend. Apparently being a father allows you to lower the bar of morality, and proudly so. He did it (or his surrogate did) re the death penalty exceptions. He brought up the precious Obama girls to excuse Israeli oppression/military force against Palestinians, and now he holds them up in his chest beating to counter McCain’s claim that he puts his political win above winning war in Iraq.

47. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

42 – one of the programs on NPR yesterday was talking to Berliners about the speech, and one of them mentioned all the destiny talk and such, said something like, “well, he sounded very American”.

48. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

43 – Bloomberg wants to keep the drones healthy and productive for him and his friends to exploit, while keeping the payouts for healthcare for the insurance companies as low as possible.

That’s all it is.

49. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

DC’s Union Station Ordered to Clarify Photo Policy

DC Photo Rights member Erin McCann, an amateur photographer, testified to the committee that Amtrak police and private security personnel in Union Station “sort of makes up the policy on the spot.”

She said she’s been prevented from taking pictures in public areas of Union Station twice in the last three months. The last incident was a week ago, when an Amtrak employee told her that photography was prohibited because Union Station is private property.

Union Station is in fact a public building. As the city’s major transportation hub, it has an Amtrak terminal, subway connections, and a retail mall. The federal government leases it to a non-profit redevelopment authority. Amtrak and Jones Lang LaSalle, a private company, manage the facility.

McCann says she has repeatedly contacted Amtrak and Jones Lang LaSalle for clarification on the photography policy in the building.

“Often, my calls and e-mails have resulted in being given conflicting information, sometimes minutes apart by people in the same office,” McCann testified.

She told the committee her goal is to find out what the stations official photography policy really is. And if there are restrictions, she says, she wants them to be fair—and to be posted clearly throughout the building.

“(F)inally and most importantly, I want to be sure that the private guards, Amtrak police and everyone else in a position to interact with the public understand what the policy is.”

Clearly outraged by what struck her as First Amendment violations in a public facility, Norton grilled executives from the various companies that lease, sublease and manage the building. She asked them to present a written photography policy within thirty days and begin enforcing it consistently within another 30 days.

An executive of the Union Station Redevelopment Authority told the committee he would take steps to ensure that photography is allowed in the building. But he didn’t indicate what restrictions, if any, there may be.

50. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

Wisconsin Democrats oust convention delegate for McCain support

Madison – The Wisconsin Democratic Party on Friday replaced a national convention delegate for saying that she planned to vote for Republican Sen. John McCain for president in November instead of Sen. Barack Obama.

The unanimous conference-call vote of the Democratic Party’s Administrative Committee removed as a convention delegate Debra Bartoshevich — the first time in the nation a state party has taken such action.

Bartoshevich told party leaders it was an “emotional time” for her when her preferred candidate, Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton, conceded and threw her support to Obama in mid-June.

At the time, Bartoshevich told a Journal Sentinel reporter she would vote for McCain instead of Obama — a comment that surprised party leaders and delegates to the state Democratic Party convention, who passed a resolution asking that she be ousted as a delegate to the national convention in Denver. National party officials told Wisconsin Democrats to decide the matter themselves, prompting Friday’s vote.

A nurse who lives in Waterford, Bartoshevich told party officials she had been “inspired” by Clinton’s run for the presidency, had donated to her campaign and had traveled to other states to organize others for the New York senator.

After the vote, Bartoshevich again said she planned to vote for McCain in November and that she was dropping out of the Democratic Party.

“I don’t believe Senator Obama has the experience to run this country,” she said, adding that McCain “has a stronger resume.”

Her ouster as a delegate “is what they wanted,” Bartoshevich said of state party leaders. “I won’t drink the Kool-Aid.”

Also yesterday here in the land of cheese, a drunken man was arrested for shooting his broken lawn mower with his shotgun.

“I’ll tell you the truth,” a criminal complaint quotes an apparently inebriated Keith Walendowski. “I got pissed because my lawn mower wouldn’t start, so I got my shotgun and shot it.

“I can do that. It’s my lawn mower and my yard, so I can shoot it if I want,” Walendowski told police.

Ignorance of the law, however, is not a legal defense.

Walendowski is charged with a felony count of possessing a short-barreled shotgun and a misdemeanor count of disorderly conduct while armed. If convicted of both charges, he faces up to six years and nine months in prison.

The shooting occurred Wednesday at a home Walendowski shares with his mother in the 3500 block of S. Austin St.

Not that the two have anything to do with each other.

51. marisacat - 26 July 2008


yeah I remember when Bloomberg banned transfat. I have NO argument wtih education, and with encouraging less use of thsi or that. I am sick to death of the banning, prohibition bunch. I always think, thanks, I had a Father, in RL. And, I can think for myself.


yeah I noticed his overuse of the daughters. And in connection with abortion, as well (that was really dumb and garbled message as well). Clue, leave them out of this, it, all of it. It was esp offensive in Sderot.

Hate to burst a bubble but over the two years… and with some clues earlier on as well, I don’t think he is esp smart. I realise this is heresy. We MUST bow to the Ivies. LOL.

Such bullshit.

52. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

I think I have a link or two in moderation or spam.

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Obama and Palestine

Senator Barack Obama, in his world tour, spent less than an hour in Palestine compared to 32 hours in Israel. Very few people know the facts on the ground in Palestine as well as Mustafa Barghouti. Barghouti, born in Jerusalem and a resident of Ramallah, is a member of Parliament and the leader of the Palestinian National Initiative, a democratic, reformist alternative to the Palestinian Authority and Hamas. The Real News spoke to Mustafa Barghouti in Washington about Obama’s visit to Israel and Ramallah, and the facts on the ground in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

54. marisacat - 26 July 2008

Sorry Madman, got them out… was off on the morning stumble to the kitchen. Left it in a bit of a mess last night…………


55. marisacat - 26 July 2008


short barreled shot gun… a really useful weapon. I am serious. I don’t think that should trigger a felony and multiple years in prison. Let the damned piece of machinery sue.


56. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

LOL … no problem. I just figured a good story about beer and guns would get everyone’s morning off to a good start.

I think if he’d shot the thing in his house he might have been okay. I think it was being on the front lawn that was problematic. I wonder if the local wingers will swarm to his defense?


A man’s got a right to defend himself from errant appliances!

I actually looked up what was required. The barrel has to be over 18 inches, with the overall length of the weapon being at least 26 inches, I guess to keep people from combining a short barrel w/ a pistol grip.

57. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

When fonts and saviors combine!

No, I’m not going to make fun of the small handful of right-wing blogs that got fake-alarmist about it, hinting that it kinda sorta looked Fascist. My question is related, however. Being a sensible and knowledgeable sort of person, as opposed to some sort of crazed wingnut, when I look at the poster I see not Fascist art but an homage to German modernist styles of the 1910’s and 20’s. Being the sort of person who futzes with fonts, I also see an example of art that would have been actually illegal under the Nazis. Quoting from German Modern, by Steven Heller and Louise Fili [amazon]:

It’s actually kinda interesting. I had no idea that even typefaces were controlled.

58. Heather-Rose Ryan - 26 July 2008

I have to say, that Obama in Berlin poster is beautiful.

59. CSTAR - 26 July 2008


You’re definitely onto something there. Maybe he can be an inspiration for creation of beautiful posters.

60. NYCee - 26 July 2008

#22 – I was obvious that many in the party really disdained Dean, back when he ran; they wore the figurative clothespin when speaking of him. So, those who supported him got punished, like Zoe? Never really thought about that.

He had a lot of adulation from the crowds, the early supporters who then became gigantic at the zenith of his popularity. I rooted for him because I saw Kucinich got practically zero traction. Did some volunteering late in the game. I wasnt completely crazed about him – like on military budget, death penalty – but I got on board. He was out there against the war when so many Americans still were not (Kerry/Edwards were pitiful). And he knew that he was supposed to toe the AIPAC line, but despite that, he couldnt help himself, veering off it to make that much maligned statement about evenhanded and settlements. That he then fell into line is simply unavoidable after his own party publicly castigated and humiliated him over that, with their ridiculous histrionics on display. In our asinine political landscape it is almost akin to saying you admire Hitler if you say anything critical of Israel.

It seemed to me that he scared them because he had a certain ordinary “common sense” quality, wasnt elite enough. I can imagine that this would have made many feel threatened, ie, that he might approach issues like the I/P conflict with the ordinary fairness we are expected to demonstrate in our daily lives. He was too much a wild card in that he might not follow the program of turning fairness on its head whenever the “Holy Land” comes on the radar. IF he had some support, that is. Or, along the same lines, he might start scrapping some of the bloat of the MIC, which is also sacred ground, blasphemy to speak of scaling back.

Thing is, I met him up close right after his bow out, when he spoke at the New School in NYC. Where he is different than Barack Obama is that he really does give off the impression that the roar of the crowd doesnt go to his head. He comes off like he thinks he is an ordinary guy. Like he likes the idea of people power, corny as it sounds. Now, maybe he needed a bit more confidence, because he would falter too easily, get thrown, but then again, Obama never came close to getting the sort of battering Dean got, 24/7, from all corners – Republicans, Dem Contenders, Dem elected officials and mouthpieces (Carville, Begala, et al) and media. Who knows if Obama would keep his much touted “cool” if he got hammered like Dean. I would bet NOT. That BO doesnt scare enough of them is what is scary. That so many conservatives are creaming over him is scary.

I never saw Dean as a scary grandiose amalgamation of himself and the Dean-centered crowds. And precisely because he didnt put them in his head, he seemed like he was able to genuinely listen and connect. He didnt place himself above others. That really came across, unlike with most pols who seem so phony in their listening, or so obviously detached.

Obama, on the other hand, is hard to watch, listen to. He gives the impression that he wants to use the crowds rather than connect with the people in them. Unfortunately, the crowds seem to be happy to provide the ego inflating wind beneath his wings.

61. diane - 26 July 2008


NY Cee

The Dean Scream outing was one of the many vulgar and chilling milestones of the last decade for me…and still is – on so many levels, that I’d want to think about it for a while before I put it in words, so as to do it justice – and I wasn’t actually supporting anyone at the time.

62. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

Silly, but: GOP operative nabbed in prostitution sting

ALWAYS find it funny that the people who push for the criminalization of human needs, foibles and differences seem to always be the ones who get tripped up by those same laws.

Sixteen more men were picked up Thursday. All 35 were arrested on suspicion of engaging in prostitution.

“That’s like huge for us,” said Peter Panos, police spokesman. “That’s a great two day’s work.”

The department runs this type of sting once every six weeks, Panos said, and the arrests send out a message to potential johns:

“You want to do prostitution, look, go somewhere else, you’re not going to do it in St. Paul,” Panos said.

Ah, the American way … waste money on a non-problem, hopefully driving the non-problem into other people’s communities.

63. diane - 26 July 2008

oops, sorry: NYCee, not NY Cee

64. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

I used to feel bad about what happened to Dean, then he started helping them do it to the rest of us.

Screw him, and the rest of them.

65. marisacat - 26 July 2008


Who knows if Obama would keep his much touted “cool” if he got hammered like Dean.

Obama cannot take a battering.

66. CSTAR - 26 July 2008

Obama and Sarko: two of a kind. Perfect match.

67. marisacat - 26 July 2008

And, they did more than the Dean Scream… that was just the final ramming.

They simply hated him publicly for months, a year and more. They revved up their media (I hate that the Democrats whine abut the media, they have AS MUCH control as the R, but their main job, except when the PTB need pull in the Mother Party, is to be publicly humiliated) against him.

One thing they did was run push poll calls against him in Iowa, they ran a “he’s not a Christian” slam against him. One reason he flew to Plains GA that Sunday before the vote. Trippi almost destroyed that, probably did in fact by bruiting that Carter would endorse, whcih he never would do.

What a fucking mess.

Then he JOINS them.

68. marisacat - 26 July 2008

66 I saw a head line, but did nto take time to read further, that the 35 hour week is going in France.

In which case, although he is dying in the polls (last I read), Sarko is winning.

He is such a nasty little shit. Pity.

69. marisacat - 26 July 2008

hmmm the stuff one picks up at the The Corner:

Bianca Jagger [Jack Fowler]

lobbies for expansion of Tridentine Mass in England. She’s one of a number of Latin Massers signing a petition prompted by the lack of clerical enthusiasm for Pope Benedict XVI’s 2007 apostolic letter (Summorum Pontificum) advocating greater use of the once-universal rite.

Never really saw her as a heavy duty Catholic. Wonders never cease.

70. marisacat - 26 July 2008

You just knwo the world is fucked when you agree with Novakula:

Robert D. NOVAK writes on Monday that the McCain campaign ‘appears to be in shambles’: ‘Yet Obama’s lead in the polls over McCain is fragile because he so far has not won the support of a majority of American voters. … Several Democrats I have talked to noted that recent Democratic presidents got elected with a minority of the vote and also that McCain is further below the 50 percent standard than Obama.

But McCain, running a flawed campaign in a big Democratic year, is dangerously close. He still could back in unless Obama closes the deal.’

I long ago decided I could live with any of the three, McC, Ob and or Hill.

What the hell. None will help and ALL would hurt.

71. marisacat - 26 July 2008


ABC’s ‘This Week’ – Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

CBS’ ‘Face the Nation’ – Sens. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., and Jack Reed, D-R.I.

NBC’s ‘Meet the Press’ – Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

CNN’s ‘Late Edition’ – McCain and Obama.

‘Fox News Sunday’ – Sens. John Thune, R-S.D., and Claire McCaskill, D-Mo.; actor Ben Stein.

72. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

What obligation? Maximise what?

I have a real bee in my bonnet about the claim made by Richard Posner that ” The managers of corporations have a fiduciary duty to maximize corporate profits”. It raises a whole load of topics relevant to plenty of my favourite economic hobby-horses as soon as you start to look remotely critically at what the seemingly simple phrase “maximise corporate profits” actually means anyway.

73. diane - 26 July 2008

Then he JOINS them

isn’t there some well studied syndrome named after that behaviour…

isn’t that what’s being carried out on a larger scale with the nation, an attempt to inure the populace to being abused to the point where they believe it’s normal and okay. after all most people don’t wan’t to be called whiner’s, certainly not weak and pathetic….it does something to the psyche (no, it’s really not true at all that all emotional upsets are caused by chemical imbalances…they’re actually caused by folks doing some fairly ugly things to the target.)…

well studied indeed, and it always starts slow and insideously with the little things in life that one takes for granted….because those are the things they don’t notice are missing until they need to rely on them for something….e.g. one doesn’t notice that there’s virtually no real government protection if a moving company has all the earthly belongings you depend on to function at a basic level, or treasure, and extorts you because they have the power to,…until one has to move across country.

Kills me how folks still seem to have it in the back of their minds how a fall into fascim is marked by some large event, versus the actual gaseous creep into it. As I recollect DailyKos was filled with gang style punishment for anyone using the word fascism.

74. diane - 26 July 2008

doing some fairly ugly things to the target

Should’ve added to the above: many of which [the ugly things] are deadly aimed, yet teeny, bloodless, needle like stabs, noticeable only to the victim and therefore near unassailable in the public realm until it starts happening on a large scale, at which point, it’s far too late to do anything about it….

75. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

America’s Slippery Slope

Jacoby’s argument – explicated in the book with frightening historical support – contends that since the time of our nation’s inception, we have become steadily more divorced from the process of reason. Citing factors such as the rise of religious fundamentalism, the decline of educational standards and our growing technological dependence, Jacoby argues that, as a nation, we have become not only dumb, but increasingly incapable of rational thought. Six out of ten adults can’t find Iraq on a map, but we fail to see how that’s a problem. Fewer Americans are learning foreign languages because more and more of us don’t believe that it’s necessary. Our collective standards for knowledge have become frighteningly low. Our expectations of each other and ourselves, increasingly slight. And with each generation born into the ever-darkening age of unreason, we move further from the enlightened ideals out of which this country was born.

76. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008


At the Battle in Seattle, I asked people, “Why are you here?”

The answers ranged from Buddhist homilies to anarchist rants. But one man said something I’ll never forget: “Ever since I was a baby, crawling around the TV, I’ve been lied to. I’ve been propagandized. I’ve been told all my life that I’ll be happy if I buy stuff and worship the cool. Now I feel diminished, warped. I’m a pale version of what I could have been. I’ve been mindfucked. And now it’s payback time.”

77. diane - 26 July 2008


dead on

78. diane - 26 July 2008


but not to worry, soon everyone will be able to download their own ‘brain’ from google (or is it $gogle?)….

79. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

Life in the Post Political Age

The conventional analysis focused on the poor quality of the campaign run by Senator Clinton, her vote in support of the Iraq war and her advocacy of the cynical center-right triangulation policies of her husband, which soured her campaign to many primary voters and especially to Democratic Party activists. Senator Obama’s on the other hand was credited with running an innovative and inspiring campaign that excited primary voters and brought many new and especially younger voters into the electoral process.

There is some truth to this analysis, but as a whole it misses the underlying social change in society that had already laid the groundwork for a possible Obama victory. To get a clearer understanding of the results, we must better understand what this social change is and how its impact is far more significant than the dynamics of the two respective campaigns.

The underlying social change that led to the Obama victory is the unprecedented extent to which the narrative of popular consumer culture, and the media that drives it, has become the dominant influence on how Americans think, formulate their ideas and understand the world around them.

The most important result of this process has been the steady and consistent depoliticization of American society, to an extent that we can make the case that we are living at the dawn of the post political age.

80. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

In the post political world the candidates who can best thrive in it have tremendous appeal to the economic elites; these candidates thrive in a system that does not dwell on issues and will never ask the question, “who has power and why”, but simultaneously creates a social and media environment of stupefying distractions while destroying traditional social mores (under-credited as a source of much social solidarity). This can only benefit their continued rule of that society.

In such a setting our political choices like our consumer choices, regardless of the product, are primarily about what makes us more fulfilled and feel better about ourselves.

Senator Obama’s campaign understood much better the impact of these changes on our electoral system than any of his opponents’ campaigns. In the post political world, the campaign that is less political and less issue-based but is savvier in using new modes of communication technology will be the campaign to win the greatest market share of the electorate. The candidate in this case, Obama, was not a political entity but, in essence a product, an ornament that made his supporters feel better about themselves.

81. marisacat - 26 July 2008

hmm gotta read the full Bageant, thanks for that link

The most important result of this process has been the steady and consistent depoliticization of American society, to an extent that we can make the case that we are living at the dawn of the post political age.

Too right. We are in the infotainment age. Full thrall. WIth cartoon characters. Hillary was unacceptable on so many levels, but the conventional take, well, it was nto accurate.

I would challenge obama to live thru the negative media and the big losses that she did (however the losses came about, leave to the side for the moment). I say, he could nto do it.

A frail thing, who must be petted. We are so blessed he will pretend to lead us. As the Axelrods Pritikins and Daley bros do the hard work.

Yes so blessed our baby jesus will even rally himself to look out from the manger at us.

82. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

You’re welcome. Bageant puts up some good stuff from time to time.

I don’t know that he needs to worry about being challenged. I think any challenging that we see in the media will increasingly focus on the common people while the upper classes get a pass. The wagging finger behind the camera lens.

Speaking of where the power will focus its rage:

Using Tasers Over Mace: Police Taser Teenage Boy With Broken Back Up to 19 Times

83. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

I just love this photo.

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87. diane - 26 July 2008


correct spelling googol, not gogle, always wondered about that stupid name google, now I think I have clue, never knew about the word, googol, and that one googol has 100 zeros after it, the largest unit of numbers defined being the googolplex.

our master’s of the universe desiring to create their own company towns, states, countries and planets……

Brinn and his ilk, are truly psychotic (now he wants to commercialize the galaxies, as if we haven’t fucked up enough and caused enough misery on earth)….and we’re always fed the same old pabulum about their brilliance, garages and bootstraps…

I think this country, via corporate america has truly handpicked many of its “legal” immigrants (including Nazis), such as Brinn and family, one of the stipulations being that they out ‘capitalist’ the most brutal of ‘capitalists.’

Non of the presses seem to be blinking an eye about the ‘googleplex’ (presumeably self-contained google community on NASA grounds, where one of Brinn’s parents work), neither, for that matter does much of anyone on the internet…since when were company towns okay with “progressives” whatever that means?

88. marisacat - 26 July 2008

hmmm from the Susie Bright post Madman linked to … I love the framed list of refuges available at Church… LOL


and the full size of the pic of Mexican fruit stand.. just wonderful


I am listening to Karel on KGOam810, he is screaming again about Arnold banning transfats. But of course the markets still sell Twinkies … and masses of canned food is shot full of Karo Syrup… and other corn based sugars. We are so blessed. Thank you Arnold and Maria for saving us from Crisco and lard. And pig fat… and and and..

LOL……….. http://kgoam810.com/

89. Madman in the Marketplace - 26 July 2008

I loved the way the different colors flowed together on that fruit stand.

90. diane - 26 July 2008

Next the groper will ban ‘fat’ people, someone needs to ban his grotesque waxed ass….

91. diane - 26 July 2008


tuned in Marisa…apparently we’re all okay and we should be greeting Obama the way they did in Berlin because Karel finds Obama quite fine……………………tall, dark, handsome were the first qualifications met that he mentioned, and just fine…

had to log off

would love to know the process that goes on behind closed doors in selecting radio mouth pieces…..

92. bayprairie - 26 July 2008

jimmy guiffre three times two



93. marisacat - 26 July 2008


His 40 mins on Obama was awful (and I just dropped back in, think he was on it again). I drop out when they pull out what I call “whip work”, acting as whips for the party.

Yeah it passes for “liberal” in San Francisco

94. diane - 26 July 2008


I don’t know what I expected, he’s on air because he’s allowed to be…simple as that…..

Just like so many folks who did well on their jobs, not due to bootstraps and hard work, but simply because they turned a blind eye when one of their peers was fucked…and swallowed their tongue when they should have spoken out….or, even worse, weren’t in the least bit bothered by injustice to others…thankfully I’m old enough now, and witnessed it enough, to not question myself as to whether I’m being to harsh in making that assessment..

95. diane - 26 July 2008

Looking at the piece you linked “By an anonymous political consultant” on Joe Bageant’s site (thanks!), the following paragraphs really struck a chord for me, because I’ve had the thought for a while now, that he’s a long and well planned gift to the masses. As implied below (if I’m not mistaken), the lack of organized opposition to him, is amazing, given the treacherous nature of those who call the shots:

….what are we to make of the campaign of the candidate of hope, audacity and change? The answer lies in understanding Senator Obama’s appeal to the brighter sections of the economic and political elite, and more importantly in the lack of any organized opposition against him, of the kind that within a matter of days destroyed Howard Dean’s campaign in 2004.


At the time when the American military industrial complex is despised around the world, he is a front man out of central casting which will buy it more goodwill and new room to maneuver in the first 15 minutes after being sworn in that John McCain could in the next 100 years.

His very presence, the color of his skin, the very strangeness of his name is the best guarantee of his betrayal of the expectations of the constituencies that will vote to elect him. Barack Obama is in short order a far more reassuring prospect for the continued dominance of the financial elite than another four years of neo-conservative rule which in an almost historically unique combination of greed, ill will, incompetence and stupidity have brought the country to the edge of disaster.

Audacity yes, change hardly.

96. marisacat - 26 July 2008

As I keep saying he is a manservant.

I think he has some primary duties, to make Africom go down with not much opposition (think of the leveraging scams they can run, we hve a shit load of racism in this country, but it is illegitimate that they scream racism at every little thing, they think they can cut off legitimate criticism of him) and to remove, simply REMOVE entitlements.

Quite the show going on. People desperate for tickets.

I would nto touch this run, at all, in any way..

97. marisacat - 27 July 2008

hmmm John Rothman on KGO (1 am to 5 am weekends) is devoting an hour tol the Human Life amendment in CO (on the ballot in Nov)… that from the moment of conception, it is life and with the legal rights and protections accorded the already born.

He seems very sure Obama will oppose it. I say he WIGGLES. He has already used some troubling language about the conception/moment/life mess.

Quinnipiac had McCain ahead in CO by 2 in the poll released Thursday.

LOL Ob has long promised he would win CO.

As John Rothman raised, what would the amendment do about the morning after pill. Well bingo, that would be MURDER. It also outlaws stem cell, automatically.

It is flying under the game of “states rights” – and as Rothman said, should segregation be returned to the states?


98. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 July 2008

As John Rothman raised, what would the amendment do about the morning after pill. Well bingo, that would be MURDER. It also outlaws stem cell, automatically.

Not just that. Every miscarriage would have to be investigated by the police. EVERY ONE. How would they handle that? In order to do it, medical records would have to be shared with them. Ob/Gyn’s or other doctors involved in the case would be forced to discuss private medical information. Just how would that work? Barring that, at least it would require every fetus, no matter how developed, to be delivered to the medical examiner for a determination of cause of death. I’m not even sure how that would work. How would you “autopsy” a just slightly differentiated bunch of cells?

It’s fucking insane.

99. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 July 2008

Congressman Kucinich’s Impeachment Resolution, the Parallel to Nixon, and Why Even Nixon’s Defenders Finally Abandoned Him By JOHN W. DEAN

Again, the House Judiciary Committee would not need me to tell them how dire the situation has become, or how impotent the Congress has grown as Republicans game the system. While many Democrats on the committee, I am sure, would agree with my analysis, the ability to act hinges on Republicans: Only if Republicans understand the institutional damage they are tolerating is there any true chance of remedial action. (Which is why it isn’t going to happen … that party PRIDES itself on ignorance and conformity, the way the donks pride themselves on being concilliatory and “flexible”)

Accordingly, I thought if I could merely make the point that conservatives, at one point, decided that they could not tolerate Nixon’s imperial behavior, and explain exactly why they came to that decision, it might clear the Republicans’ focus to deal with Bush and Cheney. Unfortunately, explaining this Nixon-versus-Congress history would be no easy task, for I discovered how ignorant current members of Congress are about Watergate when testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee a few years ago. At that hearing, South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsay Graham made statements and asked questions about Watergate that were less informed that I get from today’s average high school student.

But I did have a thought about how I might place Watergate in perspective for uninformed members of Congress, particularly Republicans; I thought it would be helpful to report a conversation I had with Nixon’s most articulate, knowledgeable, and persuasive defender – a conservative Republican about whom members of the committee may have heard.

Only Democrat John Conyers of Michigan, who is now the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, was involved in the 1974 proceedings to impeach Nixon. Chairman Conyers would recall well the member of the committee who had provided Nixon his most vigorous and effective defense: Charles E. Wiggins of California.

When the flight back to Los Angeles was delayed, we found a quiet corner at the San Francisco terminal. Judge Wiggins told me that, during the Watergate era, he, along with a number of other conservative Republicans and Democrats, was preparing to mount a powerful defense of Nixon on the House floor, and that they had good reason to believe they had a serious shot a defeating the efforts to impeach him – until the Supreme Court ruled that Nixon had to release his tapes, and they found they had been lied to about Nixon’s true role.

Wiggins believed that the lawyers representing Nixon had done a terrible job, and that Nixon should have claimed not merely “executive privilege,” but also taken the Fifth Amendment and invoked the State Secrets privilege as well to block access to his tapes. He had every right to do so, and had he done so, he would not have been forced from office. It would have been bad press, but he would have survived. (I agree with Judge Wiggins’s analysis.)

Wiggins had no doubt that the June 23rd tape showed that Nixon had participated in conspiracy to obstruct justice regarding the Watergate investigation. However, Wiggins also thought there was an argument to be made that a president could not obstruct a federal investigation, since he himself had the theoretical power and authority to establish the parameters of that investigation. In addition, it could also be argued that Nixon’s actions on June 23, 1972 had been taken based on the advice of his counsel (who believed national security issues were involved) and of his former attorney general (who similarly believed national security issues might be at stake).

As for the other charges in the articles of impeachment, Wiggins said he and the other Nixon defenders had planned to make fools of the Democrats by showing that everything that had been set forth in the articles had been done by Democratic presidents many times over. It was the classic defense: Two wrongs don’t make a right, but in law and politics they make a respectable precedent. But what neither Wiggins nor other Nixon apologists were prepared to defend was Nixon’s lying to Congress and the nation.

After the smoking gun tape surfaced, none of these various defenses and strategies were relevant, because no member was prepared to defend Nixon’s obvious lies about Watergate. As today’s hearings continue, it will be interesting to see if any members of Congress are prepared to defend Bush and Cheney’s lies about taking the nation to war in Iraq. Disturbingly, it has been clear for some time that Bush and Cheney did indeed lie – and that their lies fit within a clear, extensive pattern of abuse of power. Yet condemnation from Congressional Republicans has yet to be heard. Sadly, it seems possible that today’s Republicans — unlike Wiggins and the other Nixon apologists who changed their minds when confronted with proven presidential lies — have no moral lines that they will draw.

And, as we all saw, they are perfectly willing to live with it. I’m not sure whether to be horrified or saddened by Dean’s continued willingness to have any kind of faith in the system and the people running it.

100. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 July 2008

The Audacity of Bodily Autonomy

Surgeon sued for giving anesthetized patient temporary tattoo. The tattoo was not at all medical in nature. She had surgery for a herniated disc and the next morning discovered a rose tattoo had been placed on her abdomen below her panty line. The doctor doesn’t deny doing it. In fact he claims he does this with all his patients to lift their spirits after surgery. Now, the really interesting (and disturbing) thing about this situation is how people have reacted to this woman’s decision to sue. The comments on this article are just the tip of the iceberg. Many people seem to be outraged by this woman being willing to sue this doctor for marking her (however temporarily) in her pelvic area without her permission.

101. marisacat - 27 July 2008

How would you “autopsy” a just slightly differentiated bunch of cells?

hmm he ended up spending two hours on it… and one caller did raise the issue of what then would be legal requirements for miscarriages. Naming, some sort of legal certificate, not of a live birth but of physical matter as a result of conception, burial, etc.

Oh it is the slippery slope. And my issue is, if this sort of shit passes then I want insurance companies to agree to insure the zygote.

One caller who stated she had worked with extreme fundamentalist (but did not say in what way) talked about how this is the end urn around Roe, declare the material a person, criminalise any act against the zygote and Roe becomes irrelevant.


Ob on MTP. Gonna be a long few years. He all but finger wags. Prolly will be fore it is over.

102. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 July 2008

tried to watch The Saint on MTP, could only handle about 10 minutes. You have a stronger stomach than I do.

I am seriously embarrassed that I fell for his con back in ’04. I guess if you still want to believe that the system can work you’ll look for hope anywhere, which of course is exactly what a grifter needs to rope you in.

103. marisacat - 27 July 2008


People should catch on, it is all about WAR!… Regional war. Global war.

104. CSTAR - 27 July 2008

# 92 Thanks for the links. Cool. I also learnt something

105. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 July 2008

Obama, The Prince of Bait-and-Switch by John Pilger

The US and its allies are dropping record numbers of bombs on Afghanistan. This is not news. In the first half of this year, 1,853 bombs were dropped: more than all the bombs of 2006 and most of 2007. “The most frequently used bombs,” the Air Force Times reports, “are the 500lb and 2,000lb satellite-guided . . .” Without this one-sided onslaught, the resurgence of the Taliban, it is clear, might not have happened. Even Hamid Karzai, America’s and Britain’s puppet, has said so. The presence and the aggression of foreigners have all but united a resistance that now includes former warlords once on the CIA’s payroll.

The scandal of this would be headline news, were it not for what George W Bush’s former spokesman Scott McClellan has called “complicit enablers” – journalists who serve as little more than official amplifiers. Having declared Afghanistan a “good war”, the complicit enablers are now anointing Barack Obama as he tours the bloodfests in Afghanistan and Iraq. What they never say is that Obama is a bomber.

In the New York Times on 14 July, in an article spun to appear as if he is ending the war in Iraq, Obama demanded more war in Afghan istan and, in effect, an invasion of Pakistan. He wants more combat troops, more helicopters, more bombs. Bush may be on his way out, but the Republicans have built an ideological machine that transcends the loss of electoral power – because their collaborators are, as the American writer Mike Whitney put it succinctly, “bait-and-switch” Democrats, of whom Obama is the prince.

Those who write of Obama that “when it comes to international affairs, he will be a huge improvement on Bush” demonstrate the same wilful naivety that backed the bait-and-switch of Bill Clinton – and Tony Blair. Of Blair, wrote the late Hugo Young in 1997, “ideology has surrendered entirely to ‘values’ . . . there are no sacred cows [and] no fossilised limits to the ground over which the mind might range in search of a better Britain . . .”

Eleven years and five wars later, at least a million people lie dead. Barack Obama is the American Blair. That he is a smooth operator and a black man is irrelevant. He is of an enduring, rampant system whose drum majors and cheer squads never see, or want to see, the consequences of 500lb bombs dropped unerringly on mud, stone and straw houses.

106. CSTAR - 27 July 2008

I’m sure this not news to anybody that reads this blog, but I thinks always good to keep the case of El Salvador in mind.

In th e context of criminializition of all actions facilitating (or not preventing) abortion:

In this new movement toward criminalization, El Salvador is in the vanguard. The array of exceptions that tend to exist even in countries where abortion is circumscribed — rape, incest, fetal malformation, life of the mother — don’t apply in El Salvador. They were rejected in the late 1990’s, in a period after the country’s long civil war ended. The country’s penal system was revamped and its constitution was amended. Abortion is now absolutely forbidden in every possible circumstance. No exceptions.

107. diane - 27 July 2008


Dean’s continued willingness to have any kind of faith in the system and the people running it.

Likely due to the Brotherhood his life is emeshed with (thinking of the repeated references he made to fellow white house denizens as “Brother” in Blind Ambition, most importantly: even those he didn’t seem to care for). Despite being able to lash out after he felt betrayed, he apparently didn’t have, and had never cultivated a circle of good friends who could validate any further analysis on his part as to why that Brotherhood is so unhealthy and destructive; without that same analysis ultimately destroying his own mooring in life.

It’s not easy for anyone who isn’t a loner, to leave their ‘Tribe,’ emotionally, economically, and in a worse case scenario, physically, as you might end up dead when you’re privy to important secrets.

108. diane - 27 July 2008

97 and 100

So glad I don’t have a daughter, I don’t think I could bear dying before her and leaving her knowing what the world had in store for her, because I dont’ think things will be getting better any time soon….

Wish I felt more optimistic; but I’d be telling a lie if I said I did.

109. mattes - 27 July 2008

Best reason Obama has my vote:

Why This Election Is the Armageddon of the Neocons and the 2-State Solution

110. diane - 27 July 2008



Ooooh, I feel your pain, Orajel severe pain formula, is very good to have on hand for many of those problems, and gargling with warm salt water.

111. diane - 27 July 2008

by the by Marisa…love the picture…quite beautiful…beautiful flowers…beautiful, sweet feet……

112. diane - 27 July 2008


Wish I could support you in that mattes, but for the first time, I just may not vote at all…

113. diane - 27 July 2008

Listening to the most lovely, Nina Simone,…that kind of day..there are so many of them……..

114. diane - 27 July 2008

Nina Simone performing Mood Indigo.

As someone commented on the web page:

She owned that song….

115. diane - 27 July 2008

yeah Nina, talk about steppin outside of your social Tribe and gettin slaughtered for it…..

They booed her in Oakland Cali………….that most PC of states…..

116. ms_xeno - 27 July 2008


Find a urologist who temp-tattooed a symbol on some poor man’s right nut while the latter was unconscious, though. Watch for the online carnage and the pea-brains all calling for the doctor to be horsewhipped. In public. For a week.

117. marisacat - 27 July 2008

I am surprised it was not his initials he tattoo’d. Think there was a dr a few years ago who DID do that…. on women… at least I remember one woman who kicked up a fuss about it. And the photos.

118. diane - 27 July 2008


Love the pic on the video that shows her at the keyboard…yeah…uh I can play…..


indeed carving his initials…..

Yeah Marisa, I remember that clearly, carving his initials in women’s abdomens after performing Caesarean sections

Interesting that the search I just did brought up more than one (at the top of the list) link proclaiming that he was an abortionist, when, according to most of the links, he was actually an obstetrician. Per the above link:

….Beth Israel Medical Center obstetrician

119. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008

Lotus / feet photo is absolutely dazzling!

117 – The NY case in 1999 was actually a carving, not a tattoo. The ob/gyn there – Allan Zarkin – lost his job and his medical license, was charged with felony assault, but pled to 2nd degree assault and got probation, and settled out of court with the patient for $1.75 million.

120. diane - 27 July 2008



….Immaculately dressed in a cashmere turtleneck, Ferragamo loafers and a brown suit, the silver-haired obstetrician calmly pleaded guilty to second-degree assault in a crowded courtroom in the Manhattan Criminal Courts Building yesterday.

When asked by Justice White what he had done, Dr. Zarkin responded in a steady, almost soothing tone, ”Using the scalpel, I scratched my initials into her.” ….

121. marisacat - 27 July 2008

IB and diane

that’s the one… I had forgotten the details……..

122. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008

Ha – GMTA.

diane – he got a job at Choices’ Womens Medical Center, a clinic in Queens, after Beth Israel kicked him out, and before he lost his license.

123. diane - 27 July 2008


I messed up the italics, after “Deep,” the rest should have been in italics.

124. diane - 27 July 2008


Of course he did…folks don’t even want to know about the males heading up the clinics teaching other men to not abuse females…

125. diane - 27 July 2008


If I’m recollecting correctly, Polly Clauss’ (speling likely incorrect) murderer was given a supervisory male counsellor’s role after proving himself a batterer beyond a doubt…………

126. marisacat - 27 July 2008

Well that was probably his NY state license. So many drs just switch states.

127. diane - 27 July 2008

125 ?

hmmmmmmm….of course the speling is incoorect….please don’t chew you no nails musing……..


128. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008

Then there was James Guiler, who cauterized his alma mater’s initials – UK, for University of Kentucky – into women’s uteri while removing them.

He kept practicing, apparently, but then made headlines again in 07, when he was sued for medical negligence (unnecessary hysterectomies) and the judge apparently sanctioned him for attempting to coerce the jury pool.

Fayette Circuit Judge Pamela Goodwine told The Associated Press by phone Tuesday that she postponed the trial until June 23, 2008, because of “pretrial publicity,” including a letter circulated around the medical community.

The letter, signed by 14 people, encouraged Guiler’s supporters to show up en masse outside the courthouse with “signs that best represent Dr. Mike’s Christian practice and demeanor.”

It also encourages supporters to attend the trial and speak to reporters.

“It would be wonderful to express your reasons for choosing to become Dr. Mike’s patient, how he has made your health and quality of life better, and why you feel this trial is ludicrous and frivolous,” the letter states.

129. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 July 2008

I’d forgotten about that OB/Gyn.

Some men are just so fucked up.

130. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 July 2008

poor fucking baby

try working a couple of jobs @ minimum wage, kids at home and no entourage to cater to your every whim, you asshole.

131. diane - 27 July 2008


so are some females honey!

132. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008

129 – Happily, many are not.
And unhappily, some women are pretty fucked up, too.

Speaking of fucked up, there was a shooting at a Unitarian church in Knoxville this morning. Local news reports 1 dead,, 5 critical.

133. marisacat - 27 July 2008

Nu thred………..


…………….. 8) ……………….

134. diane - 27 July 2008


I wouldn’t doubt there were eras, at least in certain locales, where females (speaking on an earthly, physical level), were every bit as hideous against males, as what’s going on now against ‘females’ ……

the pendulum swings….wildly……

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