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Oh, the burden of believing……. 27 July 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

yeah yeah yeah...........

Mr Obama’s campaign aircraft was heavily guarded at Heathrow airport as the presidential candidate prepared to leave the UK. [Getty Images via BBC]

LOL Carry on. They intend to, so we might as well………… He’s off to Ohio and lectures on econ.

Sunday is ‘God’s day’ right? With Obama it probably will be… There was a story around that for that useless endorse in NC (after the vote, hell, who cares?, It showed, tho, that Edwards bought the internal election eve polling that showed Ob down 11 pts, LOL) Edwards secured the promise of a primetime spot in Denver. I sorta doubt it now. The story just does not die. And stank (the stench of it being all too possible) from the get go. The Enquirer says they have photos from the Hilton runaround. I imagine they do. And Wapo says they will wait to see them, but don’t expect much coverage, they say, as Edwards is now a private citizen.

And really, what was ever there? Another vapid DLC senator. So damned little was there it should be, but is not, shocking he got as far as he did… and even had the shrinking balls to think he could be a running mate again.

What about LOSING do the Democrats not get?

I always read Mickey Kaus, reprehensible and cringe worthy as he is, I read him when the Dems are nothing but drool in motion. And ‘Obama as Lincoln’ is slobbers of drool, in motion.




1. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 July 2008

who the hell shoots at Unitarians?

2. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008

A long-haired blond male in his forties, according to witnesses. Not known to the congregation, apparently.

3. marisacat - 27 July 2008

Knoxville… I should go see what Instapundit is saying. He is one of the major pushers of open carry, and carry everywhere. Whew.

4. diane - 27 July 2008

to be honest, and very unPC, I find myself wondering whether that armed young male speaks Hebrew…not being privy to the entire picture (I guess – thankfully?)…have I spelled privy wrong and will it forever relevate me to the hall of shame among my fellow human beings?

Do I need to make the disclaimer that I likely have semetic blood, who practised Judaism…….(if that in fact is so)……..the devil do get in those details……whomever, whatever – that devil be………………

5. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 July 2008

ah, the magic that is Teh Google:

Mass Shooting at My Unitarian Church in Knoxville Today

July 27th, 2008 by ELROD

Terrible news this morning. Some man entered our church with a shotgun and started shooting

I was not there this morning as we had friends visiting from out of town. But we seriously considered attending with our friends. This is such a shock to the community here. Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church is such a welcoming community. Though it’s decidedly more liberal than East Tennessee as a whole, we have very good relations with the rest of the community. I don’t understand why anybody would do this. All we know right now is that the suspect was not connected to the church in any way. I have no idea if the man had some sort of political or cultural agenda (TVUUC had just put up a sign welcoming gays to the congregation), or if it’s just some lunatic acting for no reason at all.

Please keep the members our church community in your thoughts and prayers today. This is such a shock to our congregation and our community as a whole.

6. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008

From WBIR , a local station (link from a DK diary whose author is a member of the congregation, though he wasn’t there at the time)

KPD Chief Sterling Owen said officials are not ready to release the suspect’s name or age, but he did say that mental illness is not believed to be a factor in the suspect’s actions. Owen also said the FBI is now involved in the investigation. Owen confirmed witness reports indicating that the suspect arrived on the scene with a large quantity of ammunition. He also noted that the suspect had attempted to conceal the 12 gauge shotgun he used in the shooting by carrying it in a guitar case.

The shooting appeared to be random, and occurred while kids were performing music from Annie. No kids were hurt.

Another witness account at WBIR link above sez the suspect was older, maybe in his 60s.

7. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 July 2008

Unitarian Minister Chris Buice: “Pray for us”

Church leaders, police officials, and Knoxville Mayor Bill Haslam gathered outside the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church Sunday afternoon to address the morning shooting.

KPD Chief Sterling Owen said officials are not ready to release the suspect’s name or age, but he did say that mental illness is not believed to be a factor in the suspect’s actions. Owen also said the FBI is now involved in the investigation. Owen confirmed witness reports indicating that the suspect arrived on the scene with a large quantity of ammunition. He also noted that the suspect had attempted to conceal the 12 gauge shotgun he used in the shooting by carrying it in a guitar case.

8. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008

I have similar links and quotes as Madman’s in moderation.

9. marisacat - 27 July 2008

Loong fluffy profile of Valerie Jarrett in the ChiTrib. I had not read that she is the one that found the over told story of “Ashley” and the mustard and relish sandwiches. LOL I am hoping Ob makes her Chief of Staff when they ascend in their white robes, flecked with hay from the manger.

10. diane - 27 July 2008

The word “Teh”

what is the story behind that…it certainly escaped my grasp…..

it actually became a word that disheartened me, knowing fully well that most of the population is now required to learn a new favorite term in order to be relevant and up to date, even though their financial circumstances don’t allow them any such luxury……….after all, many of them work all day and then some (and certainly don’t have the higher position that allows them to blog while at work), so as not to be whiners (or whingers?) or homeless, and while they may be quite adept at using a computer, they have no desire to further destroy their hands and eyesight…..when they arrive back home after a hellish day…

11. marisacat - 27 July 2008


sorry, got i t out.

And I jsut found one of Madman’s in Spam, from the last thread… will pull it forward…

12. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008

BTW – According to “Washington Whispers” at US News and World Report, Blackwater did security for Obama in Afghanistan. (Clown hat tip to NeoKong at pff.)

There was another Blackwater news item in AP today: Blackwater mixes business glitz with military grit.

Their work is hardly charity. The scion of a Michigan family that made a fortune in the auto parts business, Prince is pushing his company to reach $1 billion in revenues annually by 2010. To get there, he’s decided to scale back the work — private security contracting — that at first drove the company’s growth but later made Blackwater one of the most caustic brand names in history.


As part of that, the company told the AP last week, Blackwater plans to scale back its contracting work to a fraction of its business, worried that the cost of doing the work hurt’s the business’s bottom line.

By tapping the expertise of its veterans — from ex-SEALs to former Coast Guard officers to FBI agents — Blackwater instead sees a future in using its mobility and flexibility to seek out and quickly fill other gaps that present themselves.

“There’s always been gaps. The military can’t be all things to all people all the time,” Prince said while standing on a gleaming Blackwater logo in the airy lobby of his company headquarters. “There are always going to be some pieces that the private sector can help in.”

When Prince noticed a shortage of U.S. combat medics, he developed a school and program to train his own. They practice rescues and vehicle extractions across on Blackwater’s campus, and Prince is now looking for customers who want to hire medics as contractors.

Mind the gaps. . . .

13. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008

Thanks, Marisa. Think I’ve got one in spam now too . . . relates to Blackwater.

14. marisacat - 27 July 2008

This is Madman’s comment from the last thread (languished in Spam File, Sorry!)

Madman in the Marketplace

poor fucking baby

try working a couple of jobs @ minimum wage, kids at home and no entourage to cater to your every whim, you asshole.

** close of comment **

15. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008


16. diane - 27 July 2008

..well shit….I guess it’s all a mystery….I certainly don’t have a clue as to why I’m here…everytime I think I came upon some profound revelation I was bloodied…….. on my own petard…

Therefore….it absolutely stuns me how some can ignore their own self doubt and desire to lead…not only their own block…but nations….galaxies at large.

I thought I was fucked up.

17. diane - 27 July 2008


Can you waste some time on explaining what you meant by “Ta” hon?

18. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 July 2008

Oh, “teh” is just a play on how it’s a frequent typo instead of the.

19. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008

AP article on Knoxville shooting now has this, at the end:

The Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church is a community that meets to worship and work together for social change, according to the church’s Web site. Since the 1950’s, the congregation has worked for desegregation, racial harmony, fair wages, women’s rights and gay rights, according to the Web site. The congregation also has provided sanctuary for political refugees, fed the homeless and founded a chapter of the ACLU.

20. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008

Ta is just (British, I guess) shorthand for “thanks” – MCat got my Blackwater item out of spam.

21. diane - 27 July 2008

Thank you Madman and musing (sorry hon, but you’ll always be musing to me ;0), and I’ll never forget that first pic you posted, nutria and all……)

by the by, but, but, but….the prince is backing out of the mercenary biz………clown hat tip to Jeremy Scahill [sic?]……

22. diane - 27 July 2008

hmmm, no I didn’t include the golden winky faced image, nor did I insert any html coding in my above post (currently numbered #21), to conjure it up, for those new to the fact that numerous of the posts on marisacat’s blog have been infested with images that weren’t intended, much to marisacat’s bewilderment and likely dismay.

23. marisacat - 27 July 2008

hmmm Chalmers Johnson, via Tom Dispatch… using a book review device to look at privatisation of our Intell services. AND, Tom E links to the two parter interview with Pepe Escobar in the preamble. Surfeit of goodies… 😉

24. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008

Coordinated double-bombing in Istanbul today, too. 13 dead, dozens wounded, many very badly.

God’s day? Various God Brand (or at least Hell Fire) believers don’t seem to be taking this Sunday off.

25. marisacat - 27 July 2008

welll I write “teh” all the time, as my typing is so screwed up. I only clean up the bigger words… and leave the little ones as a mess.

Tho some how th above typed out correctly, all the way thru.

Who knows.

26. marisacat - 27 July 2008


one reason the believers scare me. All believers, all sides.

27. diane - 27 July 2008


well one can only hope breaking a sacred holiday, said to represent all things good and eternal, is to aid a struggling fellow being from a forlorn abyss, but apparently, the time is not quite ripe yet……….

28. diane - 27 July 2008

Okay you Focker Techno Vizards, whomever you may be: currently my response above (currently numbered 27 @ 11:00 PM Brit time) was to comment number 24, at that same time, posted by “Intermittent Bystander – 27 July 2008 “

29. diane - 27 July 2008


Sorry hon, times have gotten so gruesome, I analyze all, I’m only human and rather teeny in the scheme of things…

30. marisacat - 27 July 2008

political pundits. How could we live without them.

Shields on Inside Washington (with Totenberg, Krauthammer and Colbert King) said that Obama will do one of the following…

Win big

win barely



ahahahahah. what else is there?

31. marisacat - 27 July 2008


The numbers get out of kilter, as comments pulled from moderation get inserted. Sorry, foible of the filter failures… LOL

sorry, by “who knows” I meant I had no idea how i typed two lines without tons of errors… miracle. or something.

32. diane - 27 July 2008


I hadn’t concentrated on “who knows” hon, I agree wholeheartedly who the fock knows?

The only thing I really believe in, is the fact that there is mercy, I feel that I know this because in special moments I find myself feeling mercy for folks despite all logic on ‘my side’…against those who seem to be my tormentors and in fact are on this earth.

All I know is that I, by myself, am not near so kind to have conjured up that moment of mercy…

So….from whence did it come?

33. diane - 27 July 2008

..lotus flowers ..to all of us ….sweetness…..

34. diane - 27 July 2008


and in fact are on this earth.

meant to write:

and, in fact, are, on this earth…..

funny, and quite profound, how those little things make all of the difference…..

35. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008

Knoxville gunman identified now, and being held on $1 million bond.

One of the eyewitnesses in the Knoxville News report above says the shooter (age 58) wore a red white and blue T-shirt and was yelling “hateful things.”

Neighbors: Accused shooter everyone’s friend, hated Christianity

According to Massey, Adkisson talked frequently about his parents who “made him go to church all his life … he was forced to do that.”

36. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008

No smiley intended, obviously. Age = 58.

37. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 July 2008

35 – so why not shoot some Baptists? Pentacostals?

I mean, are there any religious people less churchy than Unitarians?

38. Madman in the Marketplace - 27 July 2008

I mean, Unitarians aren’t even Christians.

39. Intermittent Bystander - 27 July 2008

37 – Yeah, pretty strange, all right.

FYI – The person quoted on his religious views apparently got an earful from him while chatting about her own daughter’s graduation from bible college, so who knows? I noticed that a lot of comments at the main Knoxville News story have been deleted by the paper as offensive, including conjecture about motives. Reckon time will tell.

40. marisacat - 27 July 2008

37, 38

maybe that is why………… UUs really are more like a social justice community.

41. diane - 27 July 2008


Indeed, ..truth crushed to earth…shall rise….

Martin Luther King


42. marisacat - 27 July 2008

hmmm KnoxNews says he had issues with Xtianity. hmm sure did, more than mere issues.

OK, so … land of the bible thumpers and he goes for UUs???

The man accused of a mass church shooting this morning was described by his Powell neighbors as a helpful and kind man, but one who had issues with Christianity.

Jim D. Adkisson, 58, has been charged with first-degree murder in the shooting at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, which killed one and injured eight others.

He is being held on $1 million bond.

“He had his own sense of belief about religion, that’s the impression I got of him,” said neighbor Karen Massey. “We were talking one day when my daughter graduated from Bible college, and I told him I was a Christian, then he almost turned angry.

“He seemed to get angry at that.

43. diane - 27 July 2008


Many apologies, the verse was initially spoken by William Cullen Bryant, clearly Martin found it most relevant, and repeated it…


44. diane - 27 July 2008


I should’ve referred to 41, not 42. Time for me to retire for the night, obviously….

sweet dreams all………..

45. bayprairie - 27 July 2008

’58 newport in black and white

Big Maybelle Smith – I Ain’t Mad At You

Anita O’day – Sweet Georgia Brown & Tea For Two

46. marisacat - 28 July 2008

pinch pinch

Worried Banks Sharply Reduce Business Loans

Published: July 28, 2008

Banks struggling to recover from multibillion-dollar losses on real estate are curtailing loans to American businesses, depriving even healthy companies of money for expansion and hiring.

Two vital forms of credit used by companies — commercial and industrial loans from banks, and short-term “commercial paper” not backed by collateral — collectively dropped almost 3 percent over the last year, to $3.27 trillion from $3.36 trillion, according to Federal Reserve data. That is the largest annual decline since the credit tightening that began with the last recession, in 2001.

47. marisacat - 28 July 2008

hmmm Some eye grabbing commentary in a piece in Asia Times on Pakistan, SArabia, Turkey, etc. Eye grabbing and heart stopping.

[T]he House of Saud, in its bargain with the Wahhabi establishment, needs to use its fabulous oil wealth to further Islamic – and more pointedly Wahhabi – causes. That is why it bankrolled Pakistan’s military and intelligence services in fighting their war in Afghanistan against the Russians, and it is precisely why it needs to create a large fighting force to contain Iran.

Neither the timing nor the direction of these events can be considered fortuitous. America has in effect sold Turkey’s Kemalist generals down the river, in favor of keeping the avowedly-Islamic Justice and Development Party in power. The fact that Turkey’s modern military represents the exact opposite vision of Islamic rule, compared with the feudal Saudi clan, represents the key flash point here, a particular grievance given the largely Sunni nature of Turkey’s Muslim population.

Evaluating the possible – in my view likely – descent of Turkey towards the Pakistani morass can only be done by first looking briefly at the major factors that led to the latter’s maladroit evolution. From there, we can look at the social and demographic factors that will compel Turkey into the Islamist fold, in turn creating a new front for the coming civilizational war.

war forever and ever. amen.

48. Intermittent Bystander - 28 July 2008

AP report this morning:

Chief Sterling Owen IV said Monday that police found a letter in Jim D. Adkisson’s car. Owen said Adkisson was apparently frustrated over being out of work and had a “stated hatred of the liberal movement.”

LINK to Yahoo news

49. marisacat - 28 July 2008

Well taht makes a lot more sense than thsi endless Christians as Victims, day in and day out. They work to elect born agains to the WH and other elected office and bitch and moan they are victims. SO SICK OF IT.

In an early report it said that the UUs had recently put up a public notice at the church, something to do with gays… and their profile as a social justice community is mroe powerful than using the UUs to represent xtianity.

I need cofee… gah.

50. Intermittent Bystander - 28 July 2008

CBS version cites anger at gays, as well as this:

“He seemed obsessed, saying he hated the ‘liberal movement,'” Owen said. “He did express frustration that the ‘liberal movement’ was getting more jobs. He felt he was being kept out of the loop because of his age and because he was not liberal.”

When asked if the letter contained vulgarities or profanities, Owen said, “It wasn’t very complimentary.”


“He intended to take a lot of casualties – he had at least 76 rounds on him,” Owen said.

He said the letter indicated Adkisson did not expect to leave the church alive.

The 12-gauge number 4 semi-automatic shotgun was purchased a month ago. Adkisson had no other weapons on him when he was apprehended but police recovered a .38 handgun at his house.

It was revealed that Adkisson had been a member of the 101st Airborne and according to his resume had worked at a variety of places around the country. He holds an associate’s degree in mechanical engineering but was last actively employed in the Knoxville area in 2006.

His frustration at not being able to find work was apparently exacerbated by a letter police say Adkisson recently received from the state saying he was losing some or all of his food stamp benefits. “That gave him even greater concern,” Owen said.

He has no next of kin and no family, according to his statement to police.

LINK to CBS News

51. Intermittent Bystander - 28 July 2008

Sorry for absence of HTML coding. Dashing these off while at work.

52. marisacat - 28 July 2008


Don’t worry about HTML… the link is more important… thanks for the snips and links.

53. marisacat - 28 July 2008

Iowa Rally Protests Raid and Conditions at Plant

Matthew Holst for The New York Times

In Postville, Iowa, people protested working conditions at a kosher meatpacking plant that was raided in May by immigration authorities.

Rabbi Harold Kravitz, from Minnetonka, Minn., addressed a rally on Sunday in Postville.

The march was called to protest working conditions in the plant, owned by Agriprocessors Inc., and to call for Congressional legislation to give legal status to illegal immigrants. The four rabbis, from Minnesota and Wisconsin, attended the march to publicize proposals to revise kosher food certification to include standards of corporate ethics and treatment of workers.

The march drew a counterprotest by about 150 people, organized by the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which opposes illegal immigrants and proposals to give them legal status. ::snip::

Both “sides” will be selling them out.

54. marisacat - 28 July 2008

Barry Lynn in the Philadelphia Inq

[D]espite the disappointing Bush record, both presidential candidates have indicated they plan to continue the faith-based initiative in some form. They think the initiative should be fixed, not shut down. That won’t be easy. The Constitution forbids government support for religion. Any faith-based plan must ensure that no taxpayer dollars subsidize religious indoctrination, proselytism or hiring discrimination.

Given this political reality, I believe Americans must insist that strong, clear safeguards be put in place by the next president. A wide array of religious, civic and civil liberties groups agree. The devil truly is in the details. ::snip::

Too late, I think. The Constitution is a dish rag, somewhere on a campaign bus.

55. CSTAR - 28 July 2008

45. Bayprairie. Thanks for the great links. The Anita O’Day 1958 Newport performance is absolutely beautiful; listened to it several times.

Incidentally, there are some classy images on that video, aside from those of Anita O’Day herself. Look at 3:06 into the video. In a way the display of inattention to the music is hard to understand. Yet still there is something about the “insouciance” of that image which does go well with the music.

56. diane - 28 July 2008


Any sane person could come to the conclusion that “Faith Based” government programs need to be thoroughly dismantled. One might think our dear Senators, who are so close to this stench that was created under Bush would come up with the same conclusion.

Can’t help but wonder how many ‘beneficiaries,’ such as non-violent offenders (and violent offenders, who currently appear to be favored recruitees), of the current program were sent off to Iraq and Afghanistan, and whether or not Blackwater received any funds from the “Compassion Capital Fund” (CCF), since those funds weren’t limited to charitable organizations, and Prince, Colson, et al, are after all, so “religious”….

What a hideous spider web OFBIC (Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, also commonly acronymized as FBIC, CFBCI) is; with an “Office” set up in most, if not all, of the major Executive Offices/Depts., in addition to State branches.

57. marisacat - 28 July 2008

I am laughing pretty hard. Oh of course it is an outlier. Of course. jesus will nto be out sold. Nevah gonna happen.

It is just one poll, folks, but the latest USA Today/Gallup poll shows McCain jumped 10 points since the last national survey.

McCain 49, Obama 45

Dates conducted: July 25-27. Error margin: 4 points. Read more here.

This is NOT the Gallup tracking poll that was Drudged all around showing Obama up 9

Well Drudge baby is in Jesus’ pocket. hmmm,

Via Halperin’s The Page, with embedded links at the post

Over and over I hear the flacks for the Dem party hit at McC (a truly horrible man, no question) that this issue or that opinion or stance of his “is not where the American people are at”. Ha! Gonna be a tight race..

58. marisacat - 28 July 2008

Things are going so well. 3 female suicide bombers, scores dead. Lst death toll I heard on the radio was 57.

BAGHDAD, July 28 — Female suicide bombers attacked Shiite pilgrims in Baghdad and Kurdish political demonstrators in the northern city of Kirkuk on Monday in one of the bloodiest days of violence in recent months. […]

No evidence emerged to suggest the attacks in the two cities were coordinated, but the bombings underscored the political tensions that have potential to fuel regional conflicts across Iraq even as overall levels of violence have fallen.

In Kirkuk, a suicide bomber detonated her explosives in a crowd of Kurds protesting a provincial elections law, killing 15 people, according to Kurdish security officials. The attack triggered fighting among Kurds, Arabs and Turkmens, ethnic rivals who are locked in a struggle for land and resources in the oil-rich city. […].

After the blast, Kurdish protesters attacked the offices of a Turkmen political party. Authorities placed a curfew on the city until 6 a.m. Tuesday in an attempt to diffuse tensions.

In Baghdad, three suicide bombers targeted thousands of Shiites walking through the city on a pilgrimage to a Shiite shrine in the Kadhimiyah neighborhood in what appeared to be coordinated attacks. At least 24 people were killed and 79 injured, said police. Security precautions have been heightened because more than 1 million Shiites are expected to descend on the capital through Tuesday to commemorate the death of one of Shiite Islam’s 12 revered imams. ::snip::

On and on it goes…………..

59. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

Some of the usual “libertarian” crap here (school vouchers, fer example), but some is pretty good.

Radley Balko: A Few Questions for Barack Obama

— In your autobiography, you admit to using marijuana and cocaine in high school and college. Yet you largely support the federal drug war — a change from several years ago when you said you’d be open to decriminalizing marijuana. Would Barack Obama be where he is today if he had been arrested in college for using drugs? Doesn’t the fact that you and our current president (who has all but admitted to prior drug use) have risen to such high stature suggest that the worst thing about illicit drugs is not the drugs themselves, but what the government will do to you if you’re caught?

60. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

The Constitution is a dish rag,

More like the crusty sock some teenage boys hide under their mattress.

61. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

Speaking of the UU gunman, Crooks & Liars posted some funny/sad/sick comment from Malkin’s blog:

Malkin’s commenter on the TN Church Gunman: He wanted to discredit Conservatives

well, makes perfect sense to me.

62. marisacat - 28 July 2008


he said what he had to, out here, in support of West Coast libertarianism w/r/t autonomy/euthanasia and drugs… but then scuttled back East and hewed center.

BTW, in November we get to vote on redirecting cops, and other services associated with criminalisation, away from prostitution. What a breakthru!

63. marisacat - 28 July 2008


yeah… I should have thought of that. more on the mark… LOL

64. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

Video of Cop Assaulting Cyclist at Critical Mass Ride

It’s actually a pretty brutal, unprovoked attack.

65. marisacat - 28 July 2008

Every pundit with a fax machine seems to be headlining Kaine. Well I could see that…. sure why not. Catholic. White Male Southern.


66. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

Pelosi was on the View today (full video), Behar asked her about impreachment:

JOY BEHAR: You’ve ruled against impeaching George Bush and Dick Cheney. And now Kucinich is trying to pass that. Why do you, why do you insist on not impeaching these people so that the world and America can really see the crimes that they’ve committed?


PELOSI: Well, I think that it- I think it was important- When I became speaker- and by the way, a very important position, president, vice president, speaker of the House- I saw it as my responsibility to try to bring a much divided country together to the extent that we could. I thought that impeachment would be divisive for the country. In terms of what we wanted to set out to do, we wanted to raise the minimum wage, give the biggest increase in veterans benefits to veterans in 77 year history, the veteran- pass research in stem cell- the stem cell research, all of that. This week we’re going to pass equal pay for equal work. It has been a long time in coming [applause], pay equity. We’re going to pass legislation for product safety, for toys that children put in them. There’s an agenda that you have to get done, that you have to try to do it in a bipartisan way. The president has to sign it. If somebody had a crime that the president had committed, that would be a different story.

BEHAR: Can they still do it after he is out?

BARBARA WALTERS: When, when we first- when I interviewed you last year, you had just begun, and you were going to clean up the mess, remember?

PELOSI: We did.

WALTERS: You, you look around this country, 75 percent of the country, forget George Bush, thinks that Congress is doing a lousy job.

HASSELBECK: I think it’s 91 percent now.

PELOSI: Well, I don’t disagree with that because largely it’s predicated on ending the war in Iraq. That’s the main question, and we were not successful. In our House of Representatives, I’m very proud of our members because they voted overwhelmingly over and over again to bring the war to an end, to bring the troops home safely and soon, send it to the Senate, and it hits a dead end. But in terms of that particular standard, I would say I disapprove as well. But we do, we passed some of the things I just mentioned, the energy bill. We worked in a bipartisan way, and ovation, agenda, we have to create jobs, expand health care, protect the American people, and educate our children. And you can’t do that if you’re trying to impeach the president at the same time, unless you have the goods that this president committed these crimes.

Lots of lists of them everywhere, if she cared to look.

67. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

You have to hand it to him, even though it’s too little too late, but Seabiscuit keeps pushing:

Kucinich Opposes Congressional Recess, Pushes Impeachment
Submitted by davidswanson on Mon, 2008-07-28 18:08. Impeachment

By Susan Harman

Rep. Dennis Kucinich was with Barbara Lee at a small Wellstone Club gathering today in Berkeley. He was passionate, knowledgable, and clear. He spoke several times about criminal prosecution, said Congress shouldnt go on break, said that if Congress was afraid to act before the elections, then they should immediately afterwards, and not go home and leave the Bushies alone in Washington (as if Congress has kept them from doing anything even while theyre there…). He stressed that theres no time limit for impeachment and said the implications after leaving office are no pension, never holding public office again, and a couple other strong measures. He is urging a Reconciliation Board (not his title) based on S. Africa, but said that some will have to be punished because their crimes are too heinous. I was very impressed by his determination.

68. marisacat - 28 July 2008


PELOSI: We did.

The latest, congress clocks in with 14% approval… and I saw a wag somewehre said,

Is that 14 percent or 14 people?

Ohbama gets a short h’moon. And Pelosi Hoyer et al. get none.

And the wars go on, and widen. More hanging out with Sheik Riishi (Fake Anbar Awakening, as we plan another Fallujah assault) and the Kuwaiti Royal Family. Pooor Obama. such a hard life.

69. marisacat - 28 July 2008

The problem is that CONGRESS committed the crimes as well.

Ain’t never gonna indict their own asses.

70. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

NPR threw a bunch of pathetic softballs at Pelosi this morning. Last week they had a clip of Hoyer all-but laughing at the idea that FISA would be a problem for any of them: “Americans don’t care about that” or something along those lines. Mentioned the high price of gas (about which he’ll do nothing).

This country elects what it apparently deserves.

71. CSTAR - 28 July 2008

MitM I forgot to thank you for the link in the previous thread to the discussion in Crooked Timber on fiduciary responsibility.

One of the things that amazes me is the extent to which the belief that minimally regulated markets and financial systems are somehow “provably” the best resource allocators is prevalent in the american “intelligentsia”.

As far as I’m concerned, given Milton Friedman (and his cohorts) involvement as economic advisors in the politically repressive Latin AMerican regimes of the 60s, 70s he might as well have applied himself electric shocks to the genitalia of political prisoners instead of farming it out to recruits. He might have done less harm.

I read recently one critique of Naomi Klein’s book which claimed she overstated his involvement with Pinochet’s regime. That is a lot of BS and I’m glad she’s bringing that seemingly forgotten bit of history back into american political discourse (even in the so-called american left).

Though she is Canadian.

72. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

Three Black Panther party members finally let out of isolation at Angola prison, Louisiana, where each had been held since the early 70s.

The only thing that’s different about the barbaric treatment of Robert King Wilkerson, Herman Wallace and Albert Woodfox from that of thousands of other American prisoners is that they had the dubious distinction of being held in solitary confinement longer than any other known prisoners in American prison history. The three men were held in isolation for more than three decades in the Angola, Louisiana prison.

73. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

yvw CSTAR. I’m glad people are finally pushing back against that U of Chicago bullshit.

74. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

AMNH Releases a Lifetime’s Worth of Photos

The American Museum of Natural History has culled together their collection of historical photos online in an overwhelming library that documents their exhibits, dinosaur displays and dioramas from construction to completion. This is all part of their online exhibit, titled Picturing the Museum: Education and Exhibition at the American Museum of Natural History.

75. Intermittent Bystander - 28 July 2008

70 – I heard some of Pelosi on NPR this am. (Sure glad I missed Hoyer.)

La Nan (just like Harry The Good Fight Reid) took time out from her important poltical career to write, and now plug, a wildy insulting book.

Apparently she’ll be on Jon Stewart in a few minutes, too.

76. Intermittent Bystander - 28 July 2008

Wildly, I mean!

77. Intermittent Bystander - 28 July 2008

Dammit. Wildly insulting link at 75 was supposed to be this.

78. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

I know it’s too much to hope for, but I hope her challengers put a serious scare into Pelosi this fall.

79. marisacat - 28 July 2008

thanks so much for the link to the Museum of Natural History… I just love that place… tho not been there for some years.



Think the link to Pelosi book failed. Did you wsant to link to it at Amazon? I could jsut pop it in for you…


La Nan

She is such a classic CATHOLIC of a certain sort. ugh.

80. marisacat - 28 July 2008


oo thanks, that link works! Wildly well…………….. 😉

81. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

I love that museum. So cool to look at the pics.

I’m a big sucker for Preston and Child’s Pendergast novels, especially the bits that happen in the bowels of the sub-basements of that museum and the NY Public Library.

82. Intermittent Bystander - 28 July 2008

Congress has been a rubber stamp for so long. But that will change.

Wake us up when that happens, eh, Nan?

83. CSTAR - 28 July 2008

Being as culturally deprived as I am, it took me a while to figure out who LaNan was. Since the masculine article in Portuguese is “O”, I guess Onan is Harry?

84. Intermittent Bystander - 28 July 2008

(Itals in 82 are direct quote from Daily Show blather.)

85. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

I guess Onan is Harry?

Just had to bring up that crusty sock again, didn’t ya?

86. Intermittent Bystander - 28 July 2008

I nominate Onan for Monsanto spokesperson. Same diff?

87. Intermittent Bystander - 28 July 2008

MiTM – Please establish a pff account called Crusty Sock.


88. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008


tempting as that is, I’m perfectly happy to let someone else use it as a sockpuppet.

89. CSTAR - 28 July 2008

From what I’ve seen of PFF I think Crusty Puppet might be a more suitable name.

90. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

Crusty Sockpuppet!

91. CSTAR - 28 July 2008

I think we need to reboot.

92. Intermittent Bystander - 28 July 2008

Ha ha ha ha!

93. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

The Suicide Solution

Suicide is becoming an increasingly popular response to debt. James Scurlock’s brilliant documentary, Maxed Out, features the families of two college students who killed themselves after being overwhelmed by credit card debt. “All the people we talked to had considered suicide at least once,” Scurlock told a gathering of the National Assocition of Consumer Bankruptcy Attorneys in 2007. According to the Los Angeles Times, lawyers in the audience backed him up, “describing clients who showed up at their offices with cyanide, or threatened, ‘If you don’t help me, I’ve got a gun in my car.’”

India may be the trend-setter here, with an estimated 150,000 debt-ridden farmers succumbing to suicide since 1997. With guns in short supply in rural India, the desperate farmers have taken to drinking the pesticides meant for their crops.

Dry your eyes, already: Death is an effective remedy for debt, along with anything else that may be bothering you too. And try to think of it too from a lofty, corner-office, perspective: If you can’t pay your debts or afford to play your role as a consumer, and if, in addition — like an ever-rising number of Americans — you’re no longer needed at the workplace, then there’s no further point to your existence. I’m not saying that the creditors, the bankers and the mortgage companies actually want you dead, but in a culture where one’s credit rating is routinely held up as a three-digit measure of personal self-worth, the correct response to insoluble debt is in fact, “Just shoot me!”

The alternative is to value yourself more than any amount of money and turn the guns, metaphorically speaking, in the other direction. It wasn’t God, or some abstract economic climate change, that caused the credit crisis. Actual humans — often masked as financial institutions — did that, (and you can find a convenient list of names in Nomi Prins’s article in the current issue of Mother Jones.) Most of them, except for a tiny few facing trials, are still high rollers, fattening themselves on the blood and tears of ordinary debtors. I know it’s so 1930s, but may I suggest a march on Wall Street?

94. marisacat - 28 July 2008


LOVED the reboot comment, that made me laugh….


with an estimated 150,000 debt-ridden farmers succumbing to suicide since 1997. With guns in short supply in rural India, the desperate farmers have taken to drinking the pesticides meant for their crops.

I have read so many of these individual stories… all horrific. And then the horror of the family memebers left behind, often women who relied on the farmer.

Eveyrtime I read about the “miracle” that is modern tech India (frm shits like Thomas Friedman all too oten) I think fo the farmers.

Plus Monsanto GM seeds are big in Inda… so I read.

95. Madman in the Marketplace - 28 July 2008

on the subject of crusty socks, I give you words of wisdom from Uncle Andy

96. Intermittent Bystander - 28 July 2008

Tried to find something cheerful to counteract all the bloody disasters the other day.

Nothing quite worked.

But in the process, I did find this online flash exhibition called
Conducting Mobility, at the greenmuseum.

97. Intermittent Bystander - 28 July 2008

95 – More eco-tips from the web! Bananas?!

98. diane - 28 July 2008

Apologies if this has already been posted:

Let Them Eat Free Markets


Thanks for that link Madman…

From the comments there:

Rather than suicide, my plan is to become a successful, upper middle class author from an elite university who writes about the poor in socially-liberal magazines and on progressive web sites.

Hmmmm I think that market is full…

Looking at some of the other comments indicate why that bitch Jane Harman sponsered HR1955, “Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007,” so our government could economicaly and psychologically crush and abuse the public with impunity then lock folks up as terrorists when they’ve had enough of it…

I’m betting we haven’t been getting near the real picture on just how many suicides are occuring; and certainly we never got the true story that it wasn’t philanthropy we were bringing to other countries such as India. I wonder how many gave up their land to move into cities for jobs at high tech companies and then lost them, and who got that land?

99. marisacat - 28 July 2008

Asian markets are ………………… falling over night…

on and on it goes..

100. diane - 29 July 2008

I love this, a bit of insight into the enormous attrition rate of female attorneys:

Breaking: A Dramatic Farewell Email
(And proof of Paul Hastings layoffs.)

….The circumstances surrounding my departure from Paul Hastings have been deeply disappointing. It is one thing to ignore an email sent as a colleague is waiting to have her uterus scraped after a miscarriage, but it is wholly another level of heartlessness to lay her off six days after that. [Partner X] is the only one who expressed any sympathy after my miscarriage, and I am grateful to him for that.

A business is a business, but it takes very little to convey some level of humanity to carry out even the most difficult business decisions. We are human beings first before we are partners or associates. Had you simply explained that the department is unable to sustain the number of associates in the office, I would have completely understood. Had you explained that the office had been directed to reduce the number of associates and I was chosen because of my high billable rate and low billable hours, I would have appreciated such directness, even though the consequences of blindly raising billable rates to an unsustainable degree is plainly predictable. What I do not understand is the attempt to blame the associate for not bringing in the business that should have been brought in by each of you and to hide your personal failures by attempting to tarnish my excellent performance record and looking to undermine my sense of self esteem…..


I would not have anticipated that a female partner (whom I had looked to as a role model) with children of her own would sit stone faced as I broke into tears just days after my miscarriage. Even a few words of sympathy or concern would have made a world of difference. What kind of people squander human relationships so easily?

If this response seems particularly emotional, perhaps an associate’s emotional vulnerability after a recent miscarriage is a factor you should consider the next time you fire or lay someone off. It shows startlingly poor judgment and management skills — and cowardice — on your parts. If you should ever have the misfortune of suddenly losing something or someone precious to you, I hope you don’t find similar heartlessness as I have….

My favorite paragraph:

As for your request for a release, non-disclosure, and non-disparagement agreement in return for three months’ pay, I reject it. Unlike you, I am not just a paid mouthpiece with no independent judgment. I will decide how and to whom to communicate how you have treated me. I find it ironic that you would try to buy the right not to be disparaged after behaving as you have. Your actions speak volumes, and you don’t need much help from me in damaging your reputation.


The author of the email, Shinyung Oh, has gone public and given an interview…

What a pleasure reading of her letting those assholes have it….first good laugh I’ve had in while….

101. diane - 29 July 2008

On the same subject (insight into huge attrition rate of female attorneys), another link, Worst Holiday Office Party Ever: Bingham Associate Given Date Rape Drug?

102. bayprairie - 29 July 2008

55 said

Incidentally, there are some classy images on that video, aside from those of Anita O’Day herself. Look at 3:06 into the video. In a way the display of inattention to the music is hard to understand. Yet still there is something about the “insouciance” of that image which does go well with the music.

i just checked that out 3:06 and agree. and those sunglasses on the face to the right of ms. insouciance are smashing!

ive been running youtube searches using newport as part of the search phrase, guess it shows. i did get distracted a bit when diane mentioned nina simone the other evening. (thanks!). now im off to run more youtube searches on ms simone!

103. marisacat - 29 July 2008

”As for your request for a release, non-disclosure, and non-disparagement agreement in return for three months’ pay, I reject it.

All i can say is, very very very very very low offer.

Long story short, women get hired byt the big firms as, it looks good for gender diversity… the partner track is 8 years (roughly, it can vary) and they wash out for a higher number of reasons than the male smorgasbord. For some, it is just too tough, too mind numbing too bone crushing.. They run to marriage as a refuge (which they wanted anyway, as it is the corporate model and most of these people are well domesticated) and wash out after a couple of years past the wedding. Later, for whatever reason they left, they wash back into to various situations, making use fo the JD. Small firms, part time consulting, non profit… etc.

There is always a useful smattering that [appear to] make it thru for whatever reason. Daughter of an old friend of the Managing Partner. Or the Hillarys … in her position as Wif of the Gov and partner at Rose Law… etc. At my firm a lesbian hung on, they adopted, and demanded many accommodations. I suspect she knew of the brush with a big lawsuit a couple of years before, the Firm had “fired” several associates…. all gay. A big national headhunter suggested they sue as a group. So, the Firm needed her to look good.

I think a lot of people settle for 1 – 2 years salary as settlement, usually.

On and on it goes.

104. diane - 29 July 2008


You’re welcome bayprairie, I’ve been meaning to catch up on Cstar and your links, but I hate using you tube because I have to rearrange my security settings and then wait forever for the video to buffer.

Don’t know if you like Miles Davis, but this is one of my favorites by him http://www.youtubest.info/watch/C5vhd-9Om44/Miles-Davis–Concierto-De-Aranjuez-Adagio.htm>”Concierto De Aranjuez Adagio,” from Sketches of Spain.

105. diane - 29 July 2008


There was an article about a year ago, and while not shocked that the female attrition rate was higher than the male rate, the percentage was stunning, I want to say 50% or better If I recollect correctly.

Am I also correct in assuming the male rate his high too? Seems almost every mystery writer was an attorney?

106. diane - 29 July 2008

jeez, my last response was to your comment at 103 marisa, not 104.


bayprairy I posted a response to your comment that’s floating around for a bit, I think it will be number 104, and the current 104 will be 105.

107. diane - 29 July 2008


Some personal favorites by Nina Simone, that you might like, although I don’t know that you’ll find them, in no particular order: “Missississippi Goddamn;” “Just Like A Woman” (in my opinion she stole Dylan’s song on that one); “My Baby Just Cares For Me;” “Why The King of Love Is Dead;” “To Be Young Gifted and Black;” “Who Knows where The Time Goes”……..

108. diane - 29 July 2008


oops, too many s’s, s/be: “Mississippi Goddamn”

109. marisacat - 29 July 2008

i played her records a lot during katrina… any cd with mississippi godam

110. marisacat - 29 July 2008

new thread…


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