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Oh right! The most important election of our lifetime… right. 30 July 2008

Posted by marisacat in Inconvenient Voice of the Voter.

Cheri Samba

Chéri Samba
Après le 11 Septembre, 2001 2002
Acrylic and glitter on canvas 200 x 350 cm
Photo Patrick Gries
Courtesy C.A.A.C. – The Pigozzi Collection, Geneva
© Chéri Samba

link to larger depiction of painting, shown at 2007 Venice Biennale



1. JJB - 30 July 2008

Madman, previous thread

That line about feeding the German crowd with bratwursts and Heinekens is very funny, but not entirely correct from a satirical point of view. Heineken is a Dutch brew.

2. wilfred - 30 July 2008

Bush borrowing 27 BILLION dollars just to get us through the July to September quarter.

way to go bozo!

3. NYCee - 30 July 2008

According to a currently besieged idiot diarist on DK (I smell hardcore libertarian), Obama is a stealth socialist candidate, a Manchurian a la Sweden, who once in office will blanket us with a socialist agenda, the likes of which…

Well, just lol. I wish.

Didnt someone else posit that he is a Trojan Horse, stuffed with Jimmy Carter clones (aka: honest broker on I/P) who shall burst out, once the horsey is in the gate, and deliver devastating rounds of evenhanded karate chops, whipping a just resolution into being.

Again, just lol.

Then there is Keith Olbermann, who put forth some theory of the Dont Worry, Be Happy sort, on Obama’s FISA flip. It goes something like, once he gets in (They all start like that… Once upon an Obama inauguration…) he’ll not rest until the evildoers (the spys who didnt love us) are criminally prosecuted, and all shall be well.

For the 3rd time… LOL!


One thing that is evident about this guy – there is always the next rung on the ladder in his sights (I dont know what’s next … King of the Universe?) And he is too sharp an operator to unleash such fantastical changes, spurn the establishment that brung him.

So get used to it, magical thinkers, whether it’s your nightmare or your wet dream: The “Change” Menu will NOT include the following:

1) Swedish Meatballs for America

2) Equal slices of the Pita for Israelis and Palestinians.

3) Jailhouse grub for the WoT!!! spy club

4. NYCee - 30 July 2008

Oops – spys=spies.

5. NYCee - 30 July 2008

The “Barack, Libertarian’s Nightmare,” diary, for those who need a laugh.

The REAL Barack Obama

6. bayprairie - 30 July 2008

in a comment at NYT

ObamaKaine sounds like something my dentist might treat me with.

7. wilfred - 30 July 2008

DKos FP today on Veepstakes…. figures it’s between Sibelius and Daschle… hmmmm.

8. AlanSmithee - 30 July 2008

I got ObamaKaine last time I went in for a molar extraction. Damn stuff makes you numb from the neck up.

9. marisacat - 30 July 2008

I really don’t thiink it will be Sibelius. As moiv says, “she has an abortion problem”, which is even reported every once in a while. The Dr Tiller extended story in KS.

I could see Daschle… I mean the Democrats never seem to “get” that losing is FUCKING LOSING.

He lost to Thune and he lost DUMB. And the party was with him in the mess. But that does not deter Democrats. They probably are just so happy he is Navy Intell. And a Dem.

Gah what a fucked race.

10. wilfred - 30 July 2008

Actually Daschle makes some sort of sense i guess, kind of like a reliable side dish on the plate. He adds age and experience, doesn’t rock the boat (for the average Dem anyway) and they’ll take very pretty pictures together. Obamarama didn’t win the SD primary though even with Daschle’s campaigning for him, not a plus.

It seems like Daschle’s staff makes up alot of Obama’s inner circle so maybe it’s the Dem version of the Cheney VP hunt.

11. wilfred - 30 July 2008

oh…. and Daschle is Catholic which the media keeps salivating over (“nobody wins without the Catholic vote” they keep reminding us).

12. marisacat - 30 July 2008

Dascle was on board early, like Kaine. And yes lots of his critical staff are signed on with Ob.

That should give people pause. Frankly.

Daschle lost DUMB, nothing makes that better. And the party was stupid enough to think it had a gentlemans agreement not to hit leadership. No gentlemen either side.

13. marisacat - 30 July 2008

Madman just emailed this:


For every dollar of equity capital, a well-financed regional bank holds perhaps $10 in loans or securities. Wall Street’s biggest broker-dealers could hardly bear to look themselves in the mirror if they didn’t extend themselves three times further. At the end of 2007, Goldman Sachs had $26 of assets for every dollar of equity. Merrill Lynch had $32, Bear Stearns $34, Morgan Stanley $33 and Lehman Brothers $31. On average, then, about $3 in equity capital per $100 of assets. “Leverage,” as the laying-on of debt is known in the trade, is the Hamburger Helper of finance. It makes a little capital go a long way, often much farther than it safely should. Managing balance sheets as highly leveraged as Wall Street’s requires a keen eye and superb judgment. The rub is that human beings err.

14. bayprairie - 30 July 2008

laughable crap x2 cited at atrios

The federal indictment of the GOP’s longest-serving U.S. senator – on seven felony counts, stemming from his seven-year sweetheart association with an oil-services company – is not merely a severe embarrassment to the minority party on Capitol Hill, a party that had been ousted from power in ’06 partly because certain ethics-challenged members had already stained the Republican brand. The bottom line is that Ted Stevens’ legal predicament is a gift to the Democrats, who dream of gaining nine Senate seats on election day, thus dominating the chamber next January with a filibuster-proof tally of 60.

filibuster proof tally of 60 my ass. the only way the donks will get a fillibuster proof tally is to seat 75. 60 demcratiks voting on any given prog issue is 44 voting for and the other 16 against. 60+16=76. thats closer to the magic “more ‘n bettah” number for progs. even their damned obama votes FISA alongside the unified republicans!

15. marisacat - 30 July 2008

The media constantly provides cover to the Democrats, as though they are rendered [mysteriously] powerless by some sudden new game of “60”. I caught Sam Donaldson on some KGO radio news update thsi morning, carefully delivering Democratic cover slobber.

What a weak party. They can only ”win” when the R are in utter disarray.

I am very intent that the Dems should have good large SAFE majorities and should win the WH.

Oh please god give the Dems a slam dunk for Christmas. Pretty please.

16. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 July 2008

Heineken is a Dutch brew.

But don’t you see, that just shows how magic he REALLY is. National borders part like the Red Sea before his need to help those who BELIEVE.

17. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 July 2008

I think that pwogs and donks should get some of that lube that includes ObamaKaine, because otherwise they’re gonna feel mighty sore when the party is done fucking them over.

18. marisacat - 30 July 2008

Prepare for years of this.

Today, McCaskill’s pitch to this sea of white faces was cultural. “I know this man,” she said of Obama. “He is humble. He is devoutly Christian. He loves his family more than anything else in the world. He reveres our men and women in uniform and he is as red white and blue as you can possible get.”

Nothing there for the American people, any more than with McCain.

19. Intermittent Bystander - 30 July 2008

Right now, I’m still confident that TPTB will manage yet another anxious, paranoid nailbiter, even with GOP ignominy and a pretty, pleasing slim Donk.

OT: Queen Victoria’s Not-So-Secret Sale.

The royal drawers belonged to a family in western England whose ancestor was a lady-in-waiting for the queen.

“These pants, considering their provenance and pedigree, are very exciting,” Hanson said. “They are monogrammed and crested and we know that they are hers.”

The perfect summer AP story – designed for light watercooler refreshment!

20. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 July 2008
21. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 July 2008

Thanks for posting that link from WSJ I sent you. Except for the obligatory libertarian “it’s all the lefties fault” section in the middle, it was pretty good (the progressives referenced in the article would NEVER have stood for the destruction of regulation that the Donks wrought … the whole system they set up depended upon robust regulation). Anyway, since I’m really nerding out on what is wrong w/ the business climate in this country, more from Crooked Timber:

Yet more on fiduciary obligation

The other point raised by Daniel is that the concept of maximizing profits is too ill-defined to act as a real constraint on managers. Hence, if fiduciary obligation is to made an implementable policy, it must be tied to something more concrete.

There is one coherent version of fiduciary obligation that satisfies the incentive compatibility requirement. This is the view that managers are obligated to seek the maximum possible increase in the stock price (after taking account of dividend payments), and that they should be motivated to do so by being paid largely or wholly in stocks or options. This is consistent with fiduciary obligation if the shareholders are taken to be the specific group who hold shares when the manager is appointed, and whose interests are therefore aligned with the manager’s. Finally, stockholders can use lawsuits to protect themselves against opportunistic manipulation of stock prices.

This approach was highly popular during the 1990s, but the dotcom boom in particular showed its weaknesses. On the one hand, it turned out that stock price manipulation was easy to do and hard to prove, while the remedy of stockholder lawsuits came to be seen as a cure worse than the disease. On the other hand, as the principal-agent literature predicts, risk-averse managers don’t want their entire return tied to the vagaries of a stock price. So, they’ve not only sought to write contracts that guarantee them a large risk-free income, but they rewritten those contracts ex post when the terms called for them to share the losses of stockholders.

The whole “wisdom of the markets” and glory that is greed thing is just really such bullshit. Nearly the entire sweep of human creative history wouldn’t have happened if creativity was only motivated by greed and the markets. No penicillin, no Laws of Thermodynamics, no plastics, no Sistine Chapel or Blue Period or punk music. No love, romantic poetry, folk music … no co-op stores or barn raisings or hootenannies or juke joints. No jazz, no blues, no rock and roll … no hip hop or graffiti.

No community.

Basically, none of the things that make life just a little more grand.

22. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 July 2008

“Our” Turn

Obama supporters and blissed-out Barry-heads everywhere: Are you ready for some righteous war? Are you prepared to step up and get fucking medieval in Afghanistan, and perhaps in Pakistan as well? You’d better be, for the man whose feet you’re currently kissing has big plans to expand the War On Terror, and now is not the time for faint-hearted second-thoughts. Polish those boots, clean your weapons, and get in formation. The moment of truth is arriving soon.

Ah, who am I kidding? Of course American liberals will fall in line. They’ve been itching to show that they, too, can bellow for large body counts, cheer cluster bombs and patriot-bait those who dare question Dear Leader. Problem is, Bush and Cheney have been running the killing machine, and this has put a damper on the traditional liberal love of imperial war. But that era is ending, and unless Obama finds some way to blow this election (or if enough frightened whites in key states decide that having a president of color is a little too much for their racist psyches to absorb), we’re going to see a renewed period of sustained bloodshed, with lots of dead and mangled Afghans in the foreground.


Only under Obama, black hoods, beatings, and waterboarding will be legalized, or at least granted an exemption until a bi-partisan presidential panel can decide the “proper” lengths to which US forces can extract information. Liberals don’t mind stomping or driving prisoners insane, just so long as it falls within the law. That’s what separates them from rightwing savages.

Speaking of reactionaries, what will be their take when Obama goes LBJ on Afghanistan? Will they suddenly question the mission, as so many did when Clinton bombed Serbia? Or will they learn to appreciate a Democrat who slaughters the “right kind” of Muslims? Should make for some interesting scenes.

This is why I hope Obama gets elected. Let’s throw some gasping, choking, blasted Afghan civilians at American liberals’ feet and gauge their reactions. Based on historical evidence, the results shouldn’t be too surprising. Plus, it will guarantee a sequel to “Savage Mules.” Win/win all around, save for the Afghan people, who are in for some brutal times ahead. But then, they’re used to that, and they’re probably not even registered Democrats. So who cares what they think?

23. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 July 2008

I think I have a couple in moderation.

24. marisacat - 30 July 2008

Sorry Madman, got them out of moderation. usually I get an email to check the Moderation File when a comment falls there.. but not this time

Well we are awash in various forms of prohibition-type laws in CA… some North some South, some state wide (Arnold banned transfats, state wide, for restaurants, but you can still choke on a Twinkie). I am convinced it is done to divert attention from the utter collpase of much of financial services… the utter vacuity of the political scene (nearly complete on that old congeal game)… and so on.

There is even talk of shutting banning our nude beaches. Gah.

25. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 July 2008

what, they’re going to shutter the nude beaches AFTER banning transfats and fast food?!?!?

that just doesn’t make any sense!

26. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 July 2008

oh, and meant to add a thanks for releasing the hounds/comments.

27. Intermittent Bystander - 30 July 2008

Thanks, Madman. Here’s a Rush transcript of Kucinich on Democracy Now, for the youtube disinclined.

REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Well, now that I’ve heard that the Speaker is looking for evidence that crimes may have been committed, I certainly want to direct her attention to the thirty-five articles of impeachment that I presented, which assert quite directly that crimes have been committed, including taking this nation into a war, an illegal war, based on lies; including the deaths of over a million innocent Iraqis, which constitute a war crime; including wiretapping, rendition, torture, illegal detention. There are many examples of laws that have been broken.

And the reason why the Judiciary Committee should hold a hearing on the impeachment itself is because there needs to be a public airing of this. So, I have a great deal of respect for Speaker Pelosi, and I think that since she made that statement on The View, there’s an opportunity now for us to come forward and to lay all the facts out so that she can reconsider her decision not to permit the Judiciary Committee to proceed with a full impeachment hearing.

Let’s hope and sea, biscuit. But good on you for laying down the record.

28. Intermittent Bystander - 30 July 2008

what, they’re going to shutter the nude beaches AFTER banning transfats and fast food?!?!?

Privatization of the Lambs!

29. marisacat - 30 July 2008

They are letting us have one thing back, bonfires on Ocean Beach. WIth an innovative twist. Will see if I can find an article on it, a good story for once.

30. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 July 2008

are the bonfires a way to burn off the oil residue?

31. marisacat - 30 July 2008

No the OK came thru before the oil spill… Ocean Beach is under the NPS… I can’t find a picture easily, but they OK’d fire pits along a certain stretch of OB (which is huge) and then artists designed fire pits, apparently an idea borrowed from somewhere in SoCal where it has worked.

Bon fires, fire pits are just so primal, that to ban them, is right up there with banning nude beaches. Tho even if they do, some like San Gregorio will be hard to police. You practically have to scale the cliff to get to it, there is a stairway cut into the wall and rope bannister (at least when I went) so the beach milieu there is pretty much self selected by the barrier of the cliff. People will just keep going there and taking their cloths off (or not, it is very loose, people do what suits them).

32. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 July 2008

31 – wow, that sounds awesome.

33. CSTAR - 30 July 2008

It’s not out of the question that some judge or other (outside the US of course) might on one fine day. issue a warrant for the arrest of high-ranking Bush administration officials- a la Pinochet or other Latin American scoundrels. Make no mistake, in such an event, Obama will reject vigorously such a warrant with the full power of the US government.

Someone please remind me again, what were the reasons we should unite behind this guy? I may have known, once, but now I have a really hard time remembering any.

34. Madman in the Marketplace - 30 July 2008

thanks to moiv for this link, but to answer your question in #33 CSTAR:

Hopium helps you forget several unpleasant facts

35. marisacat - 30 July 2008

hmm Just heard about this lead editorial in the SJ Mercury News… a host on KGO http://www.KGOam810.com radio is spending the hour on it. Pity, he and the editorial all trust the DEMOCRATS to teh be dam against this. At least the vague concept that the righties are going after it ALL, is getting around…

Editorial: Defeat Bush’s last stand against abortion

Mercury News Editorial
Article Launched: 07/30/2008 01:34:13 AM PDT

President Bush has spent his eight years in office fighting a social war against American women’s right to choose. Now he is orchestrating one last campaign to try to curb abortion. This is one surge that must be defeated.

The Bush administration knows it can’t win this fight in Congress. So its latest effort is a draft proposal by the Department of Health and Human Services that purports to clarify workers’ rights to refuse to provide abortions.

The new rules define abortion as “any of the various procedures – including the prescription, dispensing and administration of any drug or the performance of any procedure or any other action – that results in the termination of the life of a human being in utero between conception and natural birth, whether before or after implantation.”

It doesn’t take a medical expert to know that definition includes birth control pills, IUDs and “Plan B” emergency contraception. Sen. Hillary Clinton said that if birth control is defined as abortion, it would permit individuals and health-care corporations to refuse to provide family planning.

The new regulations could also invalidate California’s and a dozen other states’ laws that ensure women’s access to safe, affordable contraceptives.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have joined in the fight to get Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt to reject the draft proposal. They should make clear to President Bush
that his final effort to block women’s right to choose is destined to fail.

36. marisacat - 30 July 2008

Hopium should be banned. hell they banned the perfume here for how long I forget now, a year or more.

37. wu ming - 30 July 2008

i’m OK with banning the transfats, if just because they’re poisons posing as food substitutes for the reason of making processed foods store longer.

it’s a pointless ban done at the state level, though, as the packaged stuff crossing state lines far outstrips the in-state prepared food (and makes up a larger % of poor people’s food, thus compounding the already huge health gap WRT obesity and diabetes that bad cheap food creates). honestly, i’d be in favor of a pretty stringent national food purity law that gets rid of most of that chemical crap that adulterates nearly everything people can buy to eat.

no argument from me, however, that without free quality national health care, the rest of it is rather trivial. but i’ll still cheer the demise of a wretched agribiz food substitute, as tiny as that ripple may be. i was happy with the ban of the bovine growth hormone too.

38. marisacat - 30 July 2008

when they go for corn syrup (Archer Daniels Midland, for one) and remove frantic advertising from the cover of what passes for breakfast cereal in this country (adverts aimed at children), I might listen, slightly, on transfats.

I think it is the gyrations of one lobby over the other. And then we could talk about the Nazi in the State house. Talk about impurity.

I amjust fuckingsick to death of the banning prohibition mentality. Because it is a GAME. had it.

I gather Chung and Arnold move to a possible stand off tomorrow. Just heard him and some weak thing named Zamora from SEIU on KGO for an hour.

39. marisacat - 31 July 2008

omigod Kaine is on with Charlie Rose. Slobber.. slobber. He looks like a chipmunk in heat.

40. marisacat - 31 July 2008

he’s on for the hour. I actually might drop out.

41. marisacat - 31 July 2008

“I feel in touch with Barack on his vision”

LOL Not a clue what that means.

Well not the first nearly final audition I have seen on CR.

A lot of blither about being ”a force for good”. hmm ”Multilateralism”. The ”Statue of Liberty is our beacon”.

I see horses in the mist running on the beach.

42. marisacat - 31 July 2008

again “his DNA is a unifier”.

Talk about wanting to plunge from the fictional heights.

43. marisacat - 31 July 2008

Going thru his full resume (well, the public version) I now know how he met his wife and returned to VA. So thrilling.

44. bayprairie - 31 July 2008

“his DNA is a unifier”.

get out of here!!!!

kaine didn’t really say that did he?

45. bayprairie - 31 July 2008

amazingly enough i did find a reference on one of the obama blogs to anthony lake making the same point. i must have missed that. its so three stooges-funny i know i would have remembered.

* Anthony Lake: The grandson of a Church of England clergyman who came the United States from Oxford to teach New Testament Studies at Harvard, Tony Lake converted to Judaism in 2005. He has long been a foreign policy advisor to Democrats. When questioned by Moment Magazine about his support for Barack Obama vis-a-vis Israel, Lake responded: “The question is: Which America is the strongest friend of Israel? Which America will be the strongest adversary to those who would do us harm? And clearly, the answer is an America that is unified rather than torn apart by the politics of the past 20 years. And it is in Obama’s DNA to be a unifier while having clear views.”

46. marisacat - 31 July 2008

Ob has said it… It’s in his DNA to unify us. THEY (kaine and Lake and others) say it as HE says it.

Remember: they are the ones we have been waiting for.

I am laughing so hard I am gasping for breath.

47. marisacat - 31 July 2008

I will tell you another thing Lake said:

that it ”only matters that the president be strong for Israel”.

An interview in the past month that I linked to here…

48. JJB - 31 July 2008

Please tell me that Obama is not seriously considering Tom Daschele as his running mate . . .

Or Joe Biden (who is looking and sounding more and more like an Alvin The Chipmunk impersonator).

I lived in Delaware for 6 years. Someone once said that William McKinley had the backbone of an eclair. I’d say that about Biden, except it would be unfair to the pastry. What I remember most about Biden is that he’d shoot his mouth off in impolitic fashion, then issue a grovelling apology 24-36 hours later, time after time.

Kaine actually makes the most sense (I am speaking purely in terms of political appeal here). He’s dull as dishwater, but in a way that people find reassuring. Sometimes people respond to someone like that, on the grounds that he’s dependable and diligent. He also did an excellent job of handling the abortion and gun issues when he was elected governor, and his meetings with regular Joe types did not come off as forced, he seemed quite comfortable with them and they with him. Whether this translates to the national stage is another question altogether.

Saw a snatch of the latest McCain ad comparing Obama to Britney and Paris Hilton. I suppose the previous ones have flopped (that Obama Is The Reason Gas Costs So Much! spot had a gas pump straight out of the 1950s), now they really seem to be hitting bottom (they’ll doubtless prove themselves capable of sinking even further, of course). Today made it the top story, and promised appearances by honchos from both the McCain and Obama camps to discuss it. I wasn’t able to stick around for that segment, if I were the Obama rep, I’d say I thought the piece was very amusing as a bit of surrealism, and note that McCain has nothing to say w/r/t why he’d be a good president, so he’s reduced to this kind of adolescent slander. Even McCain’s former strategist John Weaver thinks this latest spot is lousy.

Thank god at least some segments of the MSM are covering the stuff that’s really important:

44-pound cat set to appear on 2 talk shows.

I’m definitely going to TiVo that Regis appearance, it isn’t often he gets to interview guests who equal his level of intellect.

49. JJB - 31 July 2008

Damn, just noticed the Regis appearance is set for today! Oh well, GMA will have to do, Princess Chunk will be there on Friday.

50. JJB - 31 July 2008

Obama’s reaction to the McCain ad:

“You know, I don’t pay attention to John McCain’s ads, although I do notice he doesn’t seem to have anything to say very positive about himself. He seems to only be talking about me. You need to ask John McCain what he’s for and not just what he’s against,” he said.

Neither campaign seems interested in discussing anything worthy of attention, of course. Obama’s idea about withdrawing combat troops from Iraq seems intended merely to have forces available to send to Afghanistan, and his announced intention to cross the border into Pakistan is potentially at least as disastrous as Bush’s invasion of Iraq. In fact, the one sensible thing I’ve heard from either candidate recently was McCain’s comment that Obama’s sabre rattling about Pakistan was foolish.

51. marisacat - 31 July 2008

Jake Tapper has several posts on the rat a tat tat between Ob and McC over teh The Ad. LOL INcluding a quote from Ob in 2004 in which he says he is overexposed, more than Paris. I know it kills the supporters and lovers and baskers in his glow, but i find him juvenile. Which I am sure is racist.

Oh I HOPE he picks Kaine. Another first termer. Go for it!

Good luck to them all, or both or whoever these shits are.

52. marisacat - 31 July 2008

“combat” troops is the dodge. BAR reported as of a year and half ago, that troops were being speedily reclassifed. Some combat troops are now officially “trainers”. And there is no reason not to assume that for hire, mercs and paramilitaries will nto swell. Blackwater protected him in the war theatre and he reported said they had gotten a raw deal or unfair deal or whatever appeaser shit he shoveled out.

Yes, the smart fella from Illinois plans to sink us in AfPak.

losing proposition. Not that it matters, I suppose.

53. marisacat - 31 July 2008

Thanks for the tip on the cat… I saw some film of him yesterday… but I don’t want to miss The Interview. What a hoot!

54. NYCO - 31 July 2008

A blip of sanity at DK, perhaps. The diarist points out (correctly, I think) that McCain has finally found an effective negative attack on Obama – the “celebrity” rap. Possibly the first thing McCain has done “right” in his campaign, possibly this is related to his campaign shakeup of a few weeks ago?

And possibly it could be an effective attack because there’s a grain of truth to it, and not much to counterbalance it (ie, Obama’s thin Senatorial record). But McCain would have to push it long and hard to the fence-sitters – it takes more than one commercial to turn something into a meme.

55. NYCO - 31 July 2008

Adding: There’s one sincere but telling comment in that thread…

They are using his [Obama’s] popularity against him for two reasons: It is his strength. And it riles their base.

I know I shouldn’t be surprised at the political naivete on display there, but the “popularity” is never a source of strength, obviously, and it’s extraordinarily dumb and dangerous to think so. And, um, if McCain riles his base, that’s not really a good thing for Obama, is it?

56. marisacat - 31 July 2008

Thre is a report out.. think it might have been Ambinder, that McCain is now calling the shots on his campaign… more than before.

I ithink “celebrity” along with “elite” actually is very powerful. Hell Bobby Rush used it against ob in 00. Sure worked then.

57. NYCO - 31 July 2008

I commented on DK about this but will throw it out here. Since neither candidate has a plan, what they are selling is mood. My feeling is that a worsening economy helps McCain and hurts Obama, since in times of belt-tightening and economic pain, and in the absence of real hope (and there is none, even though it has been commodified up the wazoo), people will feel negative about shiny and ostentatious things and people. If McCain is somehow successful in comparing Obama to Britney Spears, that would be powerful: because pretty much everybody now hates Britney Spears and everything she stands for. (Given the incompetence of the McCain campaign up to now, that’s still a pretty big “if”)

I feel that economic events are moving and national mood is changing faster than the Obama campaign really knows how to respond to. They are still selling JFK (even as recently as last week) in an era that bears no economic resemblance whatsoever to the early Sixties. It seems the McCain campaign has got an inkling of this now. And what’s coming up hard and fast? The Dem convention with its still-enigmatic central figure (Obama) and a big huge outdoor Nuremburg rally planned… right after the Olympics which will probably be Nuremburg 24/7 for two weeks and which the American public may become thoroughly sick of.

I wonder what sorts of ad planning meetings are going on about that rally, in the McCain campaign right now. (Heck, if I was tasked with continuing the meme, I’d just try to link Obama with Chinese excess and decadence…)

58. JJB - 31 July 2008


If McCain is calling the shots, the ads will probably get worse and worse. Eventually, I suppose he’ll start having tantrums in public, saying really scurrilous things, etc., otherwise getting in touch with his inner Nixon.

So far, my favorite ad is the Summer Of Love one, contrasting the hedonistic hippies with brave, noble McCain in his POW cell. It should be painfully obvious by this time that however much Americans might give lip service to honoring military service, they really don’t care beyond putting a yellow ribbon magnet on their car.

59. JJB - 31 July 2008


Kennedy was elected in 1960, when the country was just starting to come out of a mild recession. Nixon and his allies among Ike’s economic advisers (Arthur Burns chief among them) tried to get the President to do a few things to offset this, but he didn’t, and Nixon believed the economic downturn was a major reason for his defeat. That his own malignant self might have had something to do with it does not seem to have occurred to him.

As to whether in bad economic times people won’t respond positively to “shiny and ostentatious things and people,” that election and those of 1980 and 1992 shows just how wrong that notion is.

I think what’s going to doom McCain is that he looks and sounds like a tired, confused old man, and the rigors of full time campaigning (which will start in a few weeks) are only going to exacerbate this problem.

60. bayprairie - 31 July 2008

50 said

He also did an excellent job of handling the abortion and gun issues when he was elected governor

kaine is directly quoted as saying

Promote abstinence; ban partial-birth abortion

I will reduce abortion in Virginia by enforcing current Virginia restrictions, passing an enforceable ban on partial-birth abortion, ensuring women’s access to health care (including legal contraception), and promoting abstinence-focused education and adoption. We should reduce abortion in this manner, rather than by criminalizing women and doctors.

Source: Campaign website http://www.kaine2005.org, “Issues” Nov 8, 2005

I have a faith-based opposition to abortion. As governor, I will work in good faith to reduce abortions by:

1. Enforcing the current Virginia restrictions on abortion and passing an enforceable ban on partial birth abortion that protects the life and health of the mother;
2. Fighting teen pregnancy through abstinence-focused education;
3. Ensuring women’s access to health care (including legal contraception) and economic opportunity; and
4. Promoting adoption as an alternative for women facing unwanted pregnancies.

Too often politicians are interested in scoring political points, rather than in reducing the number of abortions. Many of the legislative proposals introduced in the General Assembly, like the ones to require unnecessary building standards for doctor’s offices that perform abortions, are just political grandstanding. They encourage division and lawsuits rather than contributing to the goal of reducing abortions.

Source: Campaign website http://www.kaine2005.org, “Issues” Nov 8, 2005

has kaine done something positive for women since he published these views that i’m unaware of? could you point me to where i might read about what would have to be his 180? you see i have a very low opinion of mr kaine based on statements such as these, and others. if hes now “excellent” i must need to update.

61. marisacat - 31 July 2008


BamaRama is trying to sell fiction. Mood is as a good a name for it as any.

Over and over the Democrats prattle that what McC says is ‘not in tune with Americans’. BULLSHIT. They are in dreamland.

I listened to Bill Press for 40 minutes this am, bitch and moan about the ad, how racist how this how that. Few callers agreed, some did… but when he was out of steam on the damned ad, what did he have to push??

Oh just holding Rove in contempt. Best delivered with a weak lisp imo. Meaningless.


I wish that so much of your second graf did nto fit ObBaby as well. I have pawed thru an appalling amount of his speeches and commentaries and interviews, sit downs with ed boards… and full text of debates, over the past 4 years. A gagworthy endeavor frankly.

I am SICK TO DEATH of how he portrays the 60s and 70s. Ignorant asshole. Vision DNA crap crap crap… and only he can heal us. WTF?

All I can say is FUCK HIM. It really is a horrible horizon.

i am sorry, I saw (and see) McC Hillary and Ob as equals. The only difference is years and access to corruption. The Obs wanna catch up.

62. JJB - 31 July 2008


OTOH, you’re certainly right that there selling nothing but mood, atmospthere, attitude, whatever you want to call it. They’ll continue to do so, and at some point in November, some MSM maven who’s been one of the worst enablers of this process will indignantly proclaim that nothing of substance was discussed in the campaign. At least back in 1960 the phony issues (i.e., the “Missile Gap” and the squabbles over who would be more forthright in defending Quemoy and Matsu) had something to do with the real world. No longer.

63. marisacat - 31 July 2008

kaine did an awful thing last night on Rose. he is one of thse people who set their eyes to slits. Very disconcerting in a pol. He also over and over when making declarative statements, would look down and off to the right, his right.

But when he talked about abortion (all his old tropes, he’s not for criminalising women, WHOOPEEE) and when eh talked about religion (Honduras Honduras Honduras and “my wife stengthened my religion” WTF? mroe sex is sacred shit?) he OPENED HIS EYES and looked directly at the camera (he was on remote, not at the table).

One more fucking Catholic.

While the bitch and moan goes on about the ad, Obs religious outreach met yesterday I think with Cahtolics in congress… (Brody at CNS covered it) abortion abortion abortion.

64. marisacat - 31 July 2008

oh and he said “we should argue the morality of abortion”.

Among other things.

65. JJB - 31 July 2008

MCat, no. 60,

Obama’s primary season campaign was notable for its vapidity. If you’ve ever seen the Doris Day/Rock Hudson vehicle “Lover Come Back,” Obama’s schtick reminded me of that movie’s ad campaign “VIP IS COMING!!!” for a product that didn’t exist. Nothing I’ve seen since has changed my mind. If you dig through the layers of camouflage he and Hillary covered themselves with, you get a message of “I’ll do imperialism more efficiently and ruthlessly than Bush did!” Whether this is simply rhetoric intended to get elected or what he really hopes to do we won’t know unless he’s in the WH next year.

66. JJB - 31 July 2008


I am merely talking about how he finessed the issue as a professional politician, which I think I made clear. I don’t support him, I’m merely passing a judgment on how he performed as a candidate.

67. marisacat - 31 July 2008

Honestly the line

We are the ones we have been waiting for

summed it up.

68. JJB - 31 July 2008


My wife informs me that it was announced on Regis and Kelly that Princess Chunk is in fact a prince. If only I hadn’t been banned at Kosolini’s site, I could go over there and do a diary that would no doubt be at the top of the Recommended List in no time.

69. marisacat - 31 July 2008

I observed the vet examining the Prince. LOL, it was pretty funny.

Frankly Prince looked a tad thiner than in the film made when he ws found…


70. JJB - 31 July 2008


Yes, I do love that one, along with “Change You Can Believe In!” Perfectly meaningless. Henry Wallace, for whom I have a great deal of respect and admiration for (among other things) trying to point out that we were trying to win the Cold War by allying ourselves with a bunch of Greek/Italian/Japanese gangsters and suggesting this was liable to create a lot of problems for us down the road, authored a really great line: “New horizons beckon with meaningful opportunities.” You could do a college senior thesis analyzing that empty platitude, which manages to be a non sequitar, oxymoron, and a mixed metaphor all at once.

71. JJB - 31 July 2008


I think he’s being given a strict diet at this point. From the shots I’ve seen of him, he doesn’t look that fat, he must be a really huge feline to begin with. The first picture I saw of him reminded me of one of my cats, a very large white female who probably weights 20-23 pounds.

72. marisacat - 31 July 2008

Agree Prince is a BIG cat, front to back… his head and so on.

73. JJB - 31 July 2008


Prince(ss) Chunk’s owner has come forward and said she abandoned the cat because she lost her home due to a mortgage foreclosure. The cat’s name is in fact “Powder.”

Maybe Obama or McCain could do a campaign commercial with the cat, promoting their economic policies for helping out people in this situation.

74. marisacat - 31 July 2008

I imagine that Powdered Prince has a line up trying to adopt him… LOL. What a hoot.

And poor lady.

part of the problem, at least around here, tho I am sure there is some flexibility during a crisis, there often is a wait list to surrender pets. I think some people just are caught.

I feel badly as normally at a itme like thsi I could adopt at least one adult cat. That miserable sub prime mess.

75. marisacat - 31 July 2008

hmm Ron Owen of KGO radio is spenidng an hour on the new attemtp thru HHS to redefine abortion as any contraception.

http://www.KGOam810.com (they stream)

76. marisacat - 31 July 2008

Bush issued an EO on the HHS abortion issue.

hmm have to find a news report on this.

77. JJB - 31 July 2008
78. marisacat - 31 July 2008

hmm Ron Owen said an EO has been issued by Bush. It is an accomplished fact.

Will dig some more…

79. CSTAR - 31 July 2008


Papal States of America

Prostate Specific Antigen

80. JJB - 31 July 2008


Stuart Little has died.

If he was wandering around South Jersey the last few days in the vicinity of Prince Chunk/Powder, I think I know what happened to him. (Rim shot)

I can hear the groaning making its way through the Internet.

81. JJB - 31 July 2008


I can’t find anything about Bush signing the EO either. I suppose it will make it’s way into the major websites tomorrow.

Just happened on this story about financial troubles at Tony Soprano’s favorite newspaper, the Newark Star-Ledger, flagship of the not exactly distinguished Newhouse chain. Of course it only got to be the flagship because their original flagship, The Long Island Press (based in Jamaica, Queens) went under about 30 years ago. The Newhouse papers are/were broadsheets that behave like tabloids, i.e., they liked to go in for screaming headlines, but the Newhouse family was so cheap, they often had trouble finding items worthy of this kind of sensational treatment. I believe it was the S-L that once ran an across the top of the front page screaming banner that read “Wood Ibis Faces Extinction.” So now, apparently, does the S-L.

82. JJB - 31 July 2008
83. Intermittent Bystander - 31 July 2008

Maybe Owen got mixed up about this one?
Bush approves revision of order governing U.S. spy agencies

The revised version of Executive Order 12333 ratifies the major reshuffling of intelligence carried out by Congress in 2004, when an overhaul through new legislation created the post of director of national intelligence atop all the agencies, diminishing the role of the Central Intelligence Agency director. The post of national intelligence director is now held by Mike McConnell, whose staff worked for months on the revision, which the president signed on Wednesday.

Members of the congressional intelligence oversight committees, who were briefed on the executive order Thursday, grumbled that they had not been consulted adequately about the revision. But they appeared to have no serious objections to the contents of the revised order.

Here’s the White House list, updated through 7/31.

84. Intermittent Bystander - 31 July 2008

It’s official.
New Mass. law lets out-of-state gay couples marry

Patrick said the repeal shows that “equal means equal” in Massachusetts, where a 2003 ruling by the state’s highest court made gay marriage legal a year later.

“In five years now … the sky has not fallen, the earth has not opened to swallow us all up, and more to the point, thousands and thousands of good people — contributing members of our society — are able to make free decisions about their personal future, and we ought to seek to affirm that every chance we can,” Patrick said.

85. marisacat - 31 July 2008

I think Owen was wrong… I thought maybe he caught something off the wire, but I see nothing.

There is speculation that W will issue an EO

Thanks for the links….

86. marisacat - 31 July 2008

I declare the day, or the 48 hours, a draw but also a pivot. NOW they have each accused the other of racism, bias, race card use, and or general bias.


87. marisacat - 31 July 2008

nu thread………………….


……….. 8) ………….

BTW, just heard that Prince Chunk, aka Powder, has 15 people per hour calling to adopt her. Er, him.

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